Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[S S]

I guess we could wonder wether this gun is a six shooter or an eight shot all day.But just remember, Russian roulette is 100% safe, unless the gun goes off.  Now I haven't really seen anyone actually blow their brains out all over, but in this case I'm willing to accept that its probably not a great idea to find out first hand. I think an appropriate analogy in this case would be the old saying "You can get a good look at a T-bone by sticking your head up a bulls ass, but I'd rather just take the butchers word for it. '"SS-- Sent from my HP TouchPadOn Jul 7, 2012 7:24 AM, freddie poer freddiepoe...@yahoo.com wrote: It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have noticed is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there, and visa versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much of it is true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has witnessed any of it firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in scaring off American tourists including what I formerly considered brave American cavers.--- On Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote:
From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.comSubject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug warsTo: "Cavers Texas" texascavers@texascavers.comDate: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM
For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long article in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press reports that the Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From the article:"In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a "historic bust," in Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value of that much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. If true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it true?..."I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the "historic" meth-lab raid in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of drugs. Were the drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more experts I consulted, the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth was pure. Then was it really fifteen tons of "pure meth," as widely reported? Well, no. There had
 been some confusion. There were precursor chemicals. A lot of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the spokesman for the federal presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho, finally said, "Yes, five kilos." Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been methamphetamine ready for packing, according to the Army. But it was not "finished product," and there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., where meth is often sold by the gram, that amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars. So the reported value had been inflated by a factor of eight thousand?"I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.--MixonI'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, "The things your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to
 me how everything works." That's when I wake up.You may "reply" to the address this messagecame from, but for long-term use, save:Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.eduAMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org-Visit our website: http://texascavers.comTo unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.comFor additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com

Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[S S]

I guess we could wonder wether this gun is a six shooter or an eight shot all day.But just remember, Russian roulette is 100% safe, unless the gun goes off.  Now I haven't really seen anyone actually blow their brains out all over, but in this case I'm willing to accept that its probably not a great idea to find out first hand. I think an appropriate analogy in this case would be the old saying "You can get a good look at a T-bone by sticking your head up a bulls ass, but I'd rather just take the butchers word for it. '"SS-- Sent from my HP TouchPadOn Jul 7, 2012 7:24 AM, freddie poer freddiepoe...@yahoo.com wrote: It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have noticed is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there, and visa versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much of it is true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has witnessed any of it firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in scaring off American tourists including what I formerly considered brave American cavers.--- On Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote:
From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.comSubject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug warsTo: "Cavers Texas" texascavers@texascavers.comDate: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM
For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long article in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press reports that the Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From the article:"In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a "historic bust," in Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value of that much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. If true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it true?..."I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the "historic" meth-lab raid in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of drugs. Were the drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more experts I consulted, the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth was pure. Then was it really fifteen tons of "pure meth," as widely reported? Well, no. There had
 been some confusion. There were precursor chemicals. A lot of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the spokesman for the federal presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho, finally said, "Yes, five kilos." Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been methamphetamine ready for packing, according to the Army. But it was not "finished product," and there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., where meth is often sold by the gram, that amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars. So the reported value had been inflated by a factor of eight thousand?"I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.--MixonI'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, "The things your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to
 me how everything works." That's when I wake up.You may "reply" to the address this messagecame from, but for long-term use, save:Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.eduAMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org-Visit our website: http://texascavers.comTo unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.comFor additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com

Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[S S]

I guess we could wonder wether this gun is a six shooter or an eight shot all day.But just remember, Russian roulette is 100% safe, unless the gun goes off.  Now I haven't really seen anyone actually blow their brains out all over, but in this case I'm willing to accept that its probably not a great idea to find out first hand. I think an appropriate analogy in this case would be the old saying "You can get a good look at a T-bone by sticking your head up a bulls ass, but I'd rather just take the butchers word for it. '"SS-- Sent from my HP TouchPadOn Jul 7, 2012 7:24 AM, freddie poer freddiepoe...@yahoo.com wrote: It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have noticed is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there, and visa versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much of it is true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has witnessed any of it firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in scaring off American tourists including what I formerly considered brave American cavers.--- On Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote:
From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.comSubject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug warsTo: "Cavers Texas" texascavers@texascavers.comDate: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM
For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long article in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press reports that the Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From the article:"In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a "historic bust," in Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value of that much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. If true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it true?..."I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the "historic" meth-lab raid in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of drugs. Were the drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more experts I consulted, the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth was pure. Then was it really fifteen tons of "pure meth," as widely reported? Well, no. There had
 been some confusion. There were precursor chemicals. A lot of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the spokesman for the federal presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho, finally said, "Yes, five kilos." Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been methamphetamine ready for packing, according to the Army. But it was not "finished product," and there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., where meth is often sold by the gram, that amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars. So the reported value had been inflated by a factor of eight thousand?"I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.--MixonI'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, "The things your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to
 me how everything works." That's when I wake up.You may "reply" to the address this messagecame from, but for long-term use, save:Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.eduAMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org-Visit our website: http://texascavers.comTo unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.comFor additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com

Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[freddie poer]

It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have noticed 
is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there, and visa 
versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much of it is 
true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has witnessed any of it 
firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in scaring off American 
tourists including what I formerly considered brave American cavers.

--- On Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote:


From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM


For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long article 
in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press reports that the 
Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From the article:

In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a historic bust, in 
Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value of that 
much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. If true, that 
would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it true?...

I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the historic meth-lab raid in 
Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of drugs. Were the 
drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more experts I consulted, 
the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth was pure. Then 
was it really fifteen tons of pure meth, as widely reported? Well, no. There 
had been some confusion. There were precursor chemicals. A lot of 
equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven 
pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the spokesman for the federal 
presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho, 
finally said, Yes, five kilos. Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been 
methamphetamine ready for packing, according to the Army. But it was not 
finished product, and there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., 
where meth is often sold by the gram, that
 amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars. So the reported value had 
been inflated by a factor of eight thousand?

I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.
--Mixon

I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, The things your 
science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how everything 
works. That's when I wake up.

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Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[Brewskyjba]

For those of us who live by the boarder we know the problem is real. When there 
are bullet holes on this side fired from Mexico and gun battles with the Rio 
Grande in the middle...You believe. Probably 90% of the deaths are involved 
in one way or another. The problem is when one gets caught in the middle, is 
mistaken as being involved or they think that you saw something. 

News reporters that report the facts in Mexico are killed.  Even reporters on 
the US side that live on the boarder are hesitant to really report what is 
going on. Thus mis-information. 

I live on the boarder and still do a lot of business in Mexico and I can assure 
you it is real. I have learned to be very careful and aware of my surroundings. 

For those not over there all of the time the total probability may be low but 
in the right place and not knowing the local situation the probability can be 
quite high. Keep in mind that the growing and manufacturing is in remote areas. 
Hum...Where are the caves?

Bruce











Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 7, 2012, at 7:24 AM, freddie poer freddiepoe...@yahoo.com wrote:

 It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have noticed 
 is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there, and visa 
 versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much of it is 
 true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has witnessed any of it 
 firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in scaring off American 
 tourists including what I formerly considered brave American cavers.
 
 --- On Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote:
 
 From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com
 Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
 To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com
 Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM
 
 For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long article 
 in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press reports that 
 the Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From the article:
 
 In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a historic bust, in 
 Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value of 
 that much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. If 
 true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it true?...
 
 I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the historic meth-lab raid 
 in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of drugs. Were 
 the drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more experts I 
 consulted, the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth was 
 pure. Then was it really fifteen tons of pure meth, as widely reported? 
 Well, no. There had been some confusion. There were precursor chemicals. A 
 lot of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of pure 
 meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the spokesman 
 for the federal presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises 
 Enríquez Camacho, finally said, Yes, five kilos. Eleven pounds. The fifteen 
 tons had been methamphetamine ready for packing, according to the Army. But 
 it was not finished product, and there had been only five kilos of crystal. 
 In the U.S., where meth is often sold by the gram, that amount might be worth 
 five hundred thousand dollars. So the reported value had been inflated by a 
 factor of eight thousand?
 
 I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.
 --Mixon
 
 I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, The things your 
 science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how 
 everything works. That's when I wake up.
 
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Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[Speleosteele]

I just finished an excellent book on the sad situation in Mexico and I  
recommend it. El Narco: Inside Mexico's Criminal Insurgency, by Ioan  Grillo. 
The dusk jacket says Ioan Grillo has reported on Latin America since  2001 
for international media, including Time magazine, CNN, the Associated  Press, 
PBS NewsHour, the Houston Chronicle, CBC, and the Sunday Telegraph. He  has 
covered military operations, mafia killings, and cocaine seizures, and has  
discussed the drug war with two Mexican presidents, three attorneys 
general, and  the U.S. ambassador. A native of England, he lives in Mexico 
City. El 
Narco is  his first book.
 
Grillo also got out there on the streets, barrios, and  prisons and talked 
to the criminals themselves. There are areas  of Mexico where most cavers 
are not going these days. I have projects  in Tamaulipas and Guerrero which 
are on indefinite hold. I got scared off  by things that really happened, 
witnessed firsthand by me.  
 
Bill Steele 
 
 
In a message dated 7/7/2012 7:25:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
freddiepoe...@yahoo.com writes:

It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and  what I have 
noticed is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the  news there, and 
visa versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming  from and how much of it 
is true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single  person who has witnessed any 
of it firsthand. Nonetheless it has been  very effective in scaring off 
American tourists including what I  formerly considered brave American cavers.

--- On Fri, 7/6/12,  Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote:


From:  Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com
Subject: [Texascavers]  Mexican drug wars
To: Cavers Texas  texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Friday, July 6, 2012,  9:09 PM

For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug  wars, there's a long 
article in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I  recall earlier press reports 
that the Mexican army had seized a  remarkable about of meth. From the 
article:

In February, the  Army announced that it had seized, in a historic bust, 
in Tlajomulco  [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value 
of that  much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. 
If  true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it  
true?...

I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the  historic meth-lab 
raid in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our  billion dollars' worth of drugs. 
Were the drugs seized really worth  that much? Well, no. The more experts I 
consulted, the lower the  number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth 
was pure. Then was it  really fifteen tons of pure meth, as widely 
reported? Well, no.  There had been some confusion. There were precursor 
chemicals. 
A lot  of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of 
pure  meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the  
spokesman for the federal presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young  man 
named 
Ulises Enríquez Camacho, finally said, Yes, five kilos.  Eleven pounds. 
The fifteen tons had been methamphetamine ready for  packing, according to the 
Army. But it was not finished product, and  there had been only five 
kilos of crystal. In the U.S., where meth is  often sold by the gram, that 
amount might be worth five hundred  thousand dollars. So the reported value had 
been inflated by a factor  of eight thousand?

I hope the body count is not off by a  factor of eight  thousand.
--Mixon

I'm  walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, The things  
your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me  how 
everything works. That's when I wake  up.

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Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[Ted Samsel]

Y'all should read Charles Bowden.  a former running buddy of Ed Abbey.
Scary stuff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Bowden

And see the flick  MISS BALA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Bala

I can walk to a curandera/botanica in 10 minutes from where I live in KCMO
and get sanctified oil from the patron Saint of the Sinaloa
Narcotraficantes, Jesus Malverde. My friends here in KC from Sinaloa,
Nayarit, Jalisco, and Michoacan say this is seriously bad juju.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malverde

There's some great banda music available with this. None of that pinche
reggaeton, which is favored by los chilangos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2kcyvrKj9Yfeature=related

On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 8:38 AM, speleoste...@aol.com wrote:

 **
 I just finished an excellent book on the sad situation in Mexico and I
 recommend it. *El Narco: Inside Mexico's Criminal Insurgency*, by Ioan
 Grillo. The dusk jacket says Ioan Grillo has reported on Latin America
 since 2001 for international media, including Time magazine, CNN, the
 Associated Press, PBS NewsHour, the Houston Chronicle, CBC, and the Sunday
 Telegraph. He has covered military operations, mafia killings, and cocaine
 seizures, and has discussed the drug war with two Mexican presidents, three
 attorneys general, and the U.S. ambassador. A native of England, he lives
 in Mexico City. El Narco is his first book.

 Grillo also got out there on the streets, barrios, and prisons and talked
 to the criminals themselves. There are areas of Mexico where most cavers
 are not going these days. I have projects in Tamaulipas and Guerrero which
 are on indefinite hold. I got scared off by things that really happened,
 witnessed firsthand by me.

 Bill Steele

  In a message dated 7/7/2012 7:25:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
 freddiepoe...@yahoo.com writes:

   It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have
 noticed is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there,
 and visa versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much
 of it is true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has
 witnessed any of it firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in
 scaring off American tourists including what I formerly considered brave
 American cavers.

 --- On *Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com* wrote:


 From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com
 Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
 To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com
 Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM

 For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long
 article in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press
 reports that the Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From
 the article:

 In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a historic bust,
 in Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value
 of that much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars.
 If true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it
 true?...

 I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the historic meth-lab
 raid in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of
 drugs. Were the drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more
 experts I consulted, the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if
 the meth was pure. Then was it really fifteen tons of pure meth, as
 widely reported? Well, no. There had been some confusion. There were
 precursor chemicals. A lot of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was
 eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the
 record, but the spokesman for the federal presecutor's office in
 Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho, finally said, Yes,
 five kilos. Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been methamphetamine ready
 for packing, according to the Army. But it was not finished product, and
 there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., where meth is often
 sold by the gram, that amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars.
 So the reported value had been inflated by a factor of eight thousand?

 I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.
 --Mixon
 
 I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, The things
 your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how
 everything works. That's when I wake up.
 
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Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[tom rogers]

We're being protected from the truth. The news won't tell us what is really 
happening. I have relatives  who live in Europe. They know more about what's 
going on in Mexico than most Americans do. Tom Rogers

-Original Message-

From: freddie poer
Sent: 7 Jul 2012 12:25:02 GMT
To: Mixon Bill
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have noticed 
is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there, and visa 
versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much of it is 
true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has witnessed any of it 
firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in scaring off American 
tourists including what I formerly considered brave American cavers.

--- On Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote:


From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM


For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long article 
in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press reports that the 
Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From the article:

In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a historic bust, in 
Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value of that 
much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. If true, that 
would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it true?...

I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the historic meth-lab raid in 
Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of drugs. Were the 
drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more experts I consulted, 
the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth was pure. Then 
was it really fifteen tons of pure meth, as widely reported? Well, no. There 
had been some confusion. There were precursor chemicals. A lot of 
equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven 
pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the spokesman for the federal 
presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho, 
finally said, Yes, five kilos. Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been 
methamphetamine ready for packing, according to the Army. But it was not 
finished product, and there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., 
where meth is often sold by the gram, that
 amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars. So the reported value had 
been inflated by a factor of eight thousand?

I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.
--Mixon

I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, The things your 
science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how everything 
works. That's when I wake up.

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Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[Lyndon Tiu]

US English language mainstream news media do not report much about Mexico.

But US Spanish language channels do. Watch them, a dozen or so are
available over the air.

Oh, these channels are in Spanish BTW.

On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 9:01 AM, tom rogers decksunlimi...@hotmail.comwrote:

  We're being protected from the truth. The news won't tell us what is
 really happening. I have relatives  who live in Europe. They know more
 about what's going on in Mexico than most Americans do. Tom Rogers

 -Original Message-

 From: freddie poer
 Sent: 7 Jul 2012 12:25:02 GMT
 To: Mixon Bill
 Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have
 noticed is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there,
 and visa versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much
 of it is true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has
 witnessed any of it firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in
 scaring off American tourists including what I formerly considered brave
 American cavers.

 --- On *Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com* wrote:


 From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com
 Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
 To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com
 Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM

 For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long
 article in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press
 reports that the Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From
 the article:

 In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a historic bust,
 in Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value
 of that much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars.
 If true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it
 true?...

 I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the historic meth-lab
 raid in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of
 drugs. Were the drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more
 experts I consulted, the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if
 the meth was pure. Then was it really fifteen tons of pure meth, as
 widely reported? Well, no. There had been some confusion. There were
 precursor chemicals. A lot of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was
 eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the
 record, but the spokesman for the federal presecutor's office in
 Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho, finally said, Yes,
 five kilos. Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been methamphetamine ready
 for packing, according to the Army. But it was not finished product, and
 there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., where meth is often
 sold by the gram, that amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars.
 So the reported value had been inflated by a factor of eight thousand?

 I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.
 --Mixon
 
 I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, The things
 your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how
 everything works. That's when I wake up.
 
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Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[freddie poer]

It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have noticed 
is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there, and visa 
versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much of it is 
true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has witnessed any of it 
firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in scaring off American 
tourists including what I formerly considered brave American cavers.

--- On Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote:


From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM


For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long article 
in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press reports that the 
Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From the article:

In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a historic bust, in 
Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value of that 
much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. If true, that 
would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it true?...

I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the historic meth-lab raid in 
Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of drugs. Were the 
drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more experts I consulted, 
the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth was pure. Then 
was it really fifteen tons of pure meth, as widely reported? Well, no. There 
had been some confusion. There were precursor chemicals. A lot of 
equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven 
pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the spokesman for the federal 
presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho, 
finally said, Yes, five kilos. Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been 
methamphetamine ready for packing, according to the Army. But it was not 
finished product, and there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., 
where meth is often sold by the gram, that
 amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars. So the reported value had 
been inflated by a factor of eight thousand?

I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.
--Mixon

I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, The things your 
science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how everything 
works. That's when I wake up.

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Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[Brewskyjba]

For those of us who live by the boarder we know the problem is real. When there 
are bullet holes on this side fired from Mexico and gun battles with the Rio 
Grande in the middle...You believe. Probably 90% of the deaths are involved 
in one way or another. The problem is when one gets caught in the middle, is 
mistaken as being involved or they think that you saw something. 

News reporters that report the facts in Mexico are killed.  Even reporters on 
the US side that live on the boarder are hesitant to really report what is 
going on. Thus mis-information. 

I live on the boarder and still do a lot of business in Mexico and I can assure 
you it is real. I have learned to be very careful and aware of my surroundings. 

For those not over there all of the time the total probability may be low but 
in the right place and not knowing the local situation the probability can be 
quite high. Keep in mind that the growing and manufacturing is in remote areas. 
Hum...Where are the caves?

Bruce











Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 7, 2012, at 7:24 AM, freddie poer freddiepoe...@yahoo.com wrote:

 It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have noticed 
 is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there, and visa 
 versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much of it is 
 true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has witnessed any of it 
 firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in scaring off American 
 tourists including what I formerly considered brave American cavers.
 
 --- On Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote:
 
 From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com
 Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
 To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com
 Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM
 
 For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long article 
 in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press reports that 
 the Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From the article:
 
 In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a historic bust, in 
 Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value of 
 that much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. If 
 true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it true?...
 
 I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the historic meth-lab raid 
 in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of drugs. Were 
 the drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more experts I 
 consulted, the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth was 
 pure. Then was it really fifteen tons of pure meth, as widely reported? 
 Well, no. There had been some confusion. There were precursor chemicals. A 
 lot of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of pure 
 meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the spokesman 
 for the federal presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises 
 Enríquez Camacho, finally said, Yes, five kilos. Eleven pounds. The fifteen 
 tons had been methamphetamine ready for packing, according to the Army. But 
 it was not finished product, and there had been only five kilos of crystal. 
 In the U.S., where meth is often sold by the gram, that amount might be worth 
 five hundred thousand dollars. So the reported value had been inflated by a 
 factor of eight thousand?
 
 I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.
 --Mixon
 
 I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, The things your 
 science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how 
 everything works. That's when I wake up.
 
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Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[Speleosteele]

I just finished an excellent book on the sad situation in Mexico and I  
recommend it. El Narco: Inside Mexico's Criminal Insurgency, by Ioan  Grillo. 
The dusk jacket says Ioan Grillo has reported on Latin America since  2001 
for international media, including Time magazine, CNN, the Associated  Press, 
PBS NewsHour, the Houston Chronicle, CBC, and the Sunday Telegraph. He  has 
covered military operations, mafia killings, and cocaine seizures, and has  
discussed the drug war with two Mexican presidents, three attorneys 
general, and  the U.S. ambassador. A native of England, he lives in Mexico 
City. El 
Narco is  his first book.
 
Grillo also got out there on the streets, barrios, and  prisons and talked 
to the criminals themselves. There are areas  of Mexico where most cavers 
are not going these days. I have projects  in Tamaulipas and Guerrero which 
are on indefinite hold. I got scared off  by things that really happened, 
witnessed firsthand by me.  
 
Bill Steele 
 
 
In a message dated 7/7/2012 7:25:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
freddiepoe...@yahoo.com writes:

It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and  what I have 
noticed is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the  news there, and 
visa versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming  from and how much of it 
is true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single  person who has witnessed any 
of it firsthand. Nonetheless it has been  very effective in scaring off 
American tourists including what I  formerly considered brave American cavers.

--- On Fri, 7/6/12,  Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote:


From:  Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com
Subject: [Texascavers]  Mexican drug wars
To: Cavers Texas  texascavers@texascavers.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Friday, July 6, 2012,  9:09 PM

For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug  wars, there's a long 
article in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I  recall earlier press reports 
that the Mexican army had seized a  remarkable about of meth. From the 
article:

In February, the  Army announced that it had seized, in a historic bust, 
in Tlajomulco  [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value 
of that  much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. 
If  true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it  
true?...

I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the  historic meth-lab 
raid in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our  billion dollars' worth of drugs. 
Were the drugs seized really worth  that much? Well, no. The more experts I 
consulted, the lower the  number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth 
was pure. Then was it  really fifteen tons of pure meth, as widely 
reported? Well, no.  There had been some confusion. There were precursor 
chemicals. 
A lot  of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of 
pure  meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the  
spokesman for the federal presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young  man 
named 
Ulises Enríquez Camacho, finally said, Yes, five kilos.  Eleven pounds. 
The fifteen tons had been methamphetamine ready for  packing, according to the 
Army. But it was not finished product, and  there had been only five 
kilos of crystal. In the U.S., where meth is  often sold by the gram, that 
amount might be worth five hundred  thousand dollars. So the reported value had 
been inflated by a factor  of eight thousand?

I hope the body count is not off by a  factor of eight  thousand.
--Mixon

I'm  walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, The things  
your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me  how 
everything works. That's when I wake  up.

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Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[Ted Samsel]

Y'all should read Charles Bowden.  a former running buddy of Ed Abbey.
Scary stuff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Bowden

And see the flick  MISS BALA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Bala

I can walk to a curandera/botanica in 10 minutes from where I live in KCMO
and get sanctified oil from the patron Saint of the Sinaloa
Narcotraficantes, Jesus Malverde. My friends here in KC from Sinaloa,
Nayarit, Jalisco, and Michoacan say this is seriously bad juju.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malverde

There's some great banda music available with this. None of that pinche
reggaeton, which is favored by los chilangos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2kcyvrKj9Yfeature=related

On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 8:38 AM, speleoste...@aol.com wrote:

 **
 I just finished an excellent book on the sad situation in Mexico and I
 recommend it. *El Narco: Inside Mexico's Criminal Insurgency*, by Ioan
 Grillo. The dusk jacket says Ioan Grillo has reported on Latin America
 since 2001 for international media, including Time magazine, CNN, the
 Associated Press, PBS NewsHour, the Houston Chronicle, CBC, and the Sunday
 Telegraph. He has covered military operations, mafia killings, and cocaine
 seizures, and has discussed the drug war with two Mexican presidents, three
 attorneys general, and the U.S. ambassador. A native of England, he lives
 in Mexico City. El Narco is his first book.

 Grillo also got out there on the streets, barrios, and prisons and talked
 to the criminals themselves. There are areas of Mexico where most cavers
 are not going these days. I have projects in Tamaulipas and Guerrero which
 are on indefinite hold. I got scared off by things that really happened,
 witnessed firsthand by me.

 Bill Steele

  In a message dated 7/7/2012 7:25:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
 freddiepoe...@yahoo.com writes:

   It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have
 noticed is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there,
 and visa versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much
 of it is true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has
 witnessed any of it firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in
 scaring off American tourists including what I formerly considered brave
 American cavers.

 --- On *Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com* wrote:


 From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com
 Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
 To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com
 Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM

 For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long
 article in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press
 reports that the Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From
 the article:

 In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a historic bust,
 in Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value
 of that much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars.
 If true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it
 true?...

 I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the historic meth-lab
 raid in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of
 drugs. Were the drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more
 experts I consulted, the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if
 the meth was pure. Then was it really fifteen tons of pure meth, as
 widely reported? Well, no. There had been some confusion. There were
 precursor chemicals. A lot of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was
 eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the
 record, but the spokesman for the federal presecutor's office in
 Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho, finally said, Yes,
 five kilos. Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been methamphetamine ready
 for packing, according to the Army. But it was not finished product, and
 there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., where meth is often
 sold by the gram, that amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars.
 So the reported value had been inflated by a factor of eight thousand?

 I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.
 --Mixon
 
 I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, The things
 your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how
 everything works. That's when I wake up.
 
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Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[tom rogers]

We're being protected from the truth. The news won't tell us what is really 
happening. I have relatives  who live in Europe. They know more about what's 
going on in Mexico than most Americans do. Tom Rogers

-Original Message-

From: freddie poer
Sent: 7 Jul 2012 12:25:02 GMT
To: Mixon Bill
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have noticed 
is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there, and visa 
versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much of it is 
true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has witnessed any of it 
firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in scaring off American 
tourists including what I formerly considered brave American cavers.

--- On Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote:


From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM


For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long article 
in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press reports that the 
Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From the article:

In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a historic bust, in 
Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value of that 
much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. If true, that 
would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it true?...

I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the historic meth-lab raid in 
Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of drugs. Were the 
drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more experts I consulted, 
the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth was pure. Then 
was it really fifteen tons of pure meth, as widely reported? Well, no. There 
had been some confusion. There were precursor chemicals. A lot of 
equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven 
pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the spokesman for the federal 
presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho, 
finally said, Yes, five kilos. Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been 
methamphetamine ready for packing, according to the Army. But it was not 
finished product, and there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., 
where meth is often sold by the gram, that
 amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars. So the reported value had 
been inflated by a factor of eight thousand?

I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.
--Mixon

I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, The things your 
science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how everything 
works. That's when I wake up.

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Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[Lyndon Tiu]

US English language mainstream news media do not report much about Mexico.

But US Spanish language channels do. Watch them, a dozen or so are
available over the air.

Oh, these channels are in Spanish BTW.

On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 9:01 AM, tom rogers decksunlimi...@hotmail.comwrote:

  We're being protected from the truth. The news won't tell us what is
 really happening. I have relatives  who live in Europe. They know more
 about what's going on in Mexico than most Americans do. Tom Rogers

 -Original Message-

 From: freddie poer
 Sent: 7 Jul 2012 12:25:02 GMT
 To: Mixon Bill
 Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have
 noticed is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there,
 and visa versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much
 of it is true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has
 witnessed any of it firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in
 scaring off American tourists including what I formerly considered brave
 American cavers.

 --- On *Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com* wrote:


 From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com
 Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
 To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com
 Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM

 For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long
 article in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press
 reports that the Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From
 the article:

 In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a historic bust,
 in Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value
 of that much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars.
 If true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it
 true?...

 I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the historic meth-lab
 raid in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of
 drugs. Were the drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more
 experts I consulted, the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if
 the meth was pure. Then was it really fifteen tons of pure meth, as
 widely reported? Well, no. There had been some confusion. There were
 precursor chemicals. A lot of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was
 eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the
 record, but the spokesman for the federal presecutor's office in
 Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho, finally said, Yes,
 five kilos. Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been methamphetamine ready
 for packing, according to the Army. But it was not finished product, and
 there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., where meth is often
 sold by the gram, that amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars.
 So the reported value had been inflated by a factor of eight thousand?

 I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.
 --Mixon
 
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Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[freddie poer]

It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have noticed 
is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there, and visa 
versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much of it is 
true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has witnessed any of it 
firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in scaring off American 
tourists including what I formerly considered brave American cavers.

--- On Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote:


From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM


For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long article 
in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press reports that the 
Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From the article:

In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a historic bust, in 
Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value of that 
much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. If true, that 
would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it true?...

I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the historic meth-lab raid in 
Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of drugs. Were the 
drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more experts I consulted, 
the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth was pure. Then 
was it really fifteen tons of pure meth, as widely reported? Well, no. There 
had been some confusion. There were precursor chemicals. A lot of 
equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven 
pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the spokesman for the federal 
presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho, 
finally said, Yes, five kilos. Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been 
methamphetamine ready for packing, according to the Army. But it was not 
finished product, and there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., 
where meth is often sold by the gram, that
 amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars. So the reported value had 
been inflated by a factor of eight thousand?

I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.
--Mixon

I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, The things your 
science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how everything 
works. That's when I wake up.

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Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[Brewskyjba]

For those of us who live by the boarder we know the problem is real. When there 
are bullet holes on this side fired from Mexico and gun battles with the Rio 
Grande in the middle...You believe. Probably 90% of the deaths are involved 
in one way or another. The problem is when one gets caught in the middle, is 
mistaken as being involved or they think that you saw something. 

News reporters that report the facts in Mexico are killed.  Even reporters on 
the US side that live on the boarder are hesitant to really report what is 
going on. Thus mis-information. 

I live on the boarder and still do a lot of business in Mexico and I can assure 
you it is real. I have learned to be very careful and aware of my surroundings. 

For those not over there all of the time the total probability may be low but 
in the right place and not knowing the local situation the probability can be 
quite high. Keep in mind that the growing and manufacturing is in remote areas. 
Hum...Where are the caves?

Bruce











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On Jul 7, 2012, at 7:24 AM, freddie poer freddiepoe...@yahoo.com wrote:

 It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have noticed 
 is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there, and visa 
 versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much of it is 
 true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has witnessed any of it 
 firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in scaring off American 
 tourists including what I formerly considered brave American cavers.
 
 --- On Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote:
 
 From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com
 Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
 To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com
 Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM
 
 For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long article 
 in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press reports that 
 the Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From the article:
 
 In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a historic bust, in 
 Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value of 
 that much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. If 
 true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it true?...
 
 I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the historic meth-lab raid 
 in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of drugs. Were 
 the drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more experts I 
 consulted, the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth was 
 pure. Then was it really fifteen tons of pure meth, as widely reported? 
 Well, no. There had been some confusion. There were precursor chemicals. A 
 lot of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of pure 
 meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the spokesman 
 for the federal presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises 
 Enríquez Camacho, finally said, Yes, five kilos. Eleven pounds. The fifteen 
 tons had been methamphetamine ready for packing, according to the Army. But 
 it was not finished product, and there had been only five kilos of crystal. 
 In the U.S., where meth is often sold by the gram, that amount might be worth 
 five hundred thousand dollars. So the reported value had been inflated by a 
 factor of eight thousand?
 
 I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.
 --Mixon
 
 I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, The things your 
 science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how 
 everything works. That's when I wake up.
 
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Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[Speleosteele]

I just finished an excellent book on the sad situation in Mexico and I  
recommend it. El Narco: Inside Mexico's Criminal Insurgency, by Ioan  Grillo. 
The dusk jacket says Ioan Grillo has reported on Latin America since  2001 
for international media, including Time magazine, CNN, the Associated  Press, 
PBS NewsHour, the Houston Chronicle, CBC, and the Sunday Telegraph. He  has 
covered military operations, mafia killings, and cocaine seizures, and has  
discussed the drug war with two Mexican presidents, three attorneys 
general, and  the U.S. ambassador. A native of England, he lives in Mexico 
City. El 
Narco is  his first book.
 
Grillo also got out there on the streets, barrios, and  prisons and talked 
to the criminals themselves. There are areas  of Mexico where most cavers 
are not going these days. I have projects  in Tamaulipas and Guerrero which 
are on indefinite hold. I got scared off  by things that really happened, 
witnessed firsthand by me.  
 
Bill Steele 
 
 
In a message dated 7/7/2012 7:25:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
freddiepoe...@yahoo.com writes:

It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and  what I have 
noticed is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the  news there, and 
visa versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming  from and how much of it 
is true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single  person who has witnessed any 
of it firsthand. Nonetheless it has been  very effective in scaring off 
American tourists including what I  formerly considered brave American cavers.

--- On Fri, 7/6/12,  Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote:


From:  Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com
Subject: [Texascavers]  Mexican drug wars
To: Cavers Texas  texascavers@texascavers.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Friday, July 6, 2012,  9:09 PM

For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug  wars, there's a long 
article in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I  recall earlier press reports 
that the Mexican army had seized a  remarkable about of meth. From the 
article:

In February, the  Army announced that it had seized, in a historic bust, 
in Tlajomulco  [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value 
of that  much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. 
If  true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it  
true?...

I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the  historic meth-lab 
raid in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our  billion dollars' worth of drugs. 
Were the drugs seized really worth  that much? Well, no. The more experts I 
consulted, the lower the  number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth 
was pure. Then was it  really fifteen tons of pure meth, as widely 
reported? Well, no.  There had been some confusion. There were precursor 
chemicals. 
A lot  of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of 
pure  meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the  
spokesman for the federal presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young  man 
named 
Ulises Enríquez Camacho, finally said, Yes, five kilos.  Eleven pounds. 
The fifteen tons had been methamphetamine ready for  packing, according to the 
Army. But it was not finished product, and  there had been only five 
kilos of crystal. In the U.S., where meth is  often sold by the gram, that 
amount might be worth five hundred  thousand dollars. So the reported value had 
been inflated by a factor  of eight thousand?

I hope the body count is not off by a  factor of eight  thousand.
--Mixon

I'm  walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, The things  
your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me  how 
everything works. That's when I wake  up.

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Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[Ted Samsel]

Y'all should read Charles Bowden.  a former running buddy of Ed Abbey.
Scary stuff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Bowden

And see the flick  MISS BALA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Bala

I can walk to a curandera/botanica in 10 minutes from where I live in KCMO
and get sanctified oil from the patron Saint of the Sinaloa
Narcotraficantes, Jesus Malverde. My friends here in KC from Sinaloa,
Nayarit, Jalisco, and Michoacan say this is seriously bad juju.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malverde

There's some great banda music available with this. None of that pinche
reggaeton, which is favored by los chilangos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2kcyvrKj9Yfeature=related

On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 8:38 AM, speleoste...@aol.com wrote:

 **
 I just finished an excellent book on the sad situation in Mexico and I
 recommend it. *El Narco: Inside Mexico's Criminal Insurgency*, by Ioan
 Grillo. The dusk jacket says Ioan Grillo has reported on Latin America
 since 2001 for international media, including Time magazine, CNN, the
 Associated Press, PBS NewsHour, the Houston Chronicle, CBC, and the Sunday
 Telegraph. He has covered military operations, mafia killings, and cocaine
 seizures, and has discussed the drug war with two Mexican presidents, three
 attorneys general, and the U.S. ambassador. A native of England, he lives
 in Mexico City. El Narco is his first book.

 Grillo also got out there on the streets, barrios, and prisons and talked
 to the criminals themselves. There are areas of Mexico where most cavers
 are not going these days. I have projects in Tamaulipas and Guerrero which
 are on indefinite hold. I got scared off by things that really happened,
 witnessed firsthand by me.

 Bill Steele

  In a message dated 7/7/2012 7:25:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
 freddiepoe...@yahoo.com writes:

   It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have
 noticed is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there,
 and visa versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much
 of it is true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has
 witnessed any of it firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in
 scaring off American tourists including what I formerly considered brave
 American cavers.

 --- On *Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com* wrote:


 From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com
 Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
 To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com
 Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM

 For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long
 article in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press
 reports that the Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From
 the article:

 In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a historic bust,
 in Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value
 of that much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars.
 If true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it
 true?...

 I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the historic meth-lab
 raid in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of
 drugs. Were the drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more
 experts I consulted, the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if
 the meth was pure. Then was it really fifteen tons of pure meth, as
 widely reported? Well, no. There had been some confusion. There were
 precursor chemicals. A lot of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was
 eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the
 record, but the spokesman for the federal presecutor's office in
 Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho, finally said, Yes,
 five kilos. Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been methamphetamine ready
 for packing, according to the Army. But it was not finished product, and
 there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., where meth is often
 sold by the gram, that amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars.
 So the reported value had been inflated by a factor of eight thousand?

 I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.
 --Mixon
 
 I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, The things
 your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how
 everything works. That's when I wake up.
 
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Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[Lyndon Tiu]

US English language mainstream news media do not report much about Mexico.

But US Spanish language channels do. Watch them, a dozen or so are
available over the air.

Oh, these channels are in Spanish BTW.

On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 9:01 AM, tom rogers decksunlimi...@hotmail.comwrote:

  We're being protected from the truth. The news won't tell us what is
 really happening. I have relatives  who live in Europe. They know more
 about what's going on in Mexico than most Americans do. Tom Rogers

 -Original Message-

 From: freddie poer
 Sent: 7 Jul 2012 12:25:02 GMT
 To: Mixon Bill
 Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have
 noticed is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there,
 and visa versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much
 of it is true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has
 witnessed any of it firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in
 scaring off American tourists including what I formerly considered brave
 American cavers.

 --- On *Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com* wrote:


 From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com
 Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
 To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com
 Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM

 For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long
 article in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press
 reports that the Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From
 the article:

 In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a historic bust,
 in Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value
 of that much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars.
 If true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it
 true?...

 I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the historic meth-lab
 raid in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of
 drugs. Were the drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more
 experts I consulted, the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if
 the meth was pure. Then was it really fifteen tons of pure meth, as
 widely reported? Well, no. There had been some confusion. There were
 precursor chemicals. A lot of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was
 eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the
 record, but the spokesman for the federal presecutor's office in
 Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho, finally said, Yes,
 five kilos. Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been methamphetamine ready
 for packing, according to the Army. But it was not finished product, and
 there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., where meth is often
 sold by the gram, that amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars.
 So the reported value had been inflated by a factor of eight thousand?

 I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.
 --Mixon
 
 I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, The things
 your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how
 everything works. That's when I wake up.
 
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[Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[Mixon Bill]

For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long  
article in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press  
reports that the Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth.  
From the article:


In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a historic  
bust, in Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The  
street value of that much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four  
billion dollars. If true, that would make it the largest meth bust in  
history. But was it true?...


I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the historic meth- 
lab raid in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars'  
worth of drugs. Were the drugs seized really worth that much? Well,  
no. The more experts I consulted, the lower the number sank. Maybe it  
was a billion, if the meth was pure. Then was it really fifteen tons  
of pure meth, as widely reported? Well, no. There had been some  
confusion. There were precursor chemicals. A lot of equipment--gas  
tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven  
pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the spokesman for  
the federal presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young man named  
Ulises Enríquez Camacho, finally said, Yes, five kilos. Eleven  
pounds. The fifteen tons had been methamphetamine ready for packing,  
according to the Army. But it was not finished product, and there  
had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., where meth is often  
sold by the gram, that amount might be worth five hundred thousand  
dollars. So the reported value had been inflated by a factor of eight  
thousand?


I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.
--Mixon

I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, The  
things your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain  
to me how everything works. That's when I wake up.


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[Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[Mixon Bill]

For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long  
article in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press  
reports that the Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth.  
From the article:


In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a historic  
bust, in Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The  
street value of that much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four  
billion dollars. If true, that would make it the largest meth bust in  
history. But was it true?...


I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the historic meth- 
lab raid in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars'  
worth of drugs. Were the drugs seized really worth that much? Well,  
no. The more experts I consulted, the lower the number sank. Maybe it  
was a billion, if the meth was pure. Then was it really fifteen tons  
of pure meth, as widely reported? Well, no. There had been some  
confusion. There were precursor chemicals. A lot of equipment--gas  
tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven  
pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the spokesman for  
the federal presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young man named  
Ulises Enríquez Camacho, finally said, Yes, five kilos. Eleven  
pounds. The fifteen tons had been methamphetamine ready for packing,  
according to the Army. But it was not finished product, and there  
had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., where meth is often  
sold by the gram, that amount might be worth five hundred thousand  
dollars. So the reported value had been inflated by a factor of eight  
thousand?


I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.
--Mixon

I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, The  
things your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain  
to me how everything works. That's when I wake up.


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[Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[Mixon Bill]

For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long  
article in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press  
reports that the Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth.  
From the article:


In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a historic  
bust, in Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The  
street value of that much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four  
billion dollars. If true, that would make it the largest meth bust in  
history. But was it true?...


I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the historic meth- 
lab raid in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars'  
worth of drugs. Were the drugs seized really worth that much? Well,  
no. The more experts I consulted, the lower the number sank. Maybe it  
was a billion, if the meth was pure. Then was it really fifteen tons  
of pure meth, as widely reported? Well, no. There had been some  
confusion. There were precursor chemicals. A lot of equipment--gas  
tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven  
pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the spokesman for  
the federal presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young man named  
Ulises Enríquez Camacho, finally said, Yes, five kilos. Eleven  
pounds. The fifteen tons had been methamphetamine ready for packing,  
according to the Army. But it was not finished product, and there  
had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., where meth is often  
sold by the gram, that amount might be worth five hundred thousand  
dollars. So the reported value had been inflated by a factor of eight  
thousand?


I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.
--Mixon

I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, The  
things your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain  
to me how everything works. That's when I wake up.


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