Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update
You can call it whatever you want - 'detractors', 'perpetrators' - or you can learn from it. It's about leadership and vision. Congrats on getting Powell's Cave gated, I'm glad a beautiful cave got gated, I hope more Texas cavers can enjoy it. RK To: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 10:40:24 -0500 Subject: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update From: texascavers@texascavers.com Well said, Jerry! Ignore the detractors and keep up the good work! ===Carl Kunath From: Jerry via Texascavers Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 11:52 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update : Our "poorly organized" effort got the gate constructed in a period of less than a month from first finding the vandalism, has reached its financial goal (thanks to all that contributed !), did it without needing to make formal overtures to the "54 SP500 companies that are headquartered in Texas", did so without creating a massive headache by making sure that there was a 501(C)3 organization receiving the funds for shuttling to a third party, and did so by using a poor-boy version of crowd-sourcing from within the caving community. No excuses for dinner tonight. Jerry. Virus-free. www.avast.com ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update
Well said, Jerry! Ignore the detractors and keep up the good work! ===Carl Kunath From: Jerry via Texascavers Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 11:52 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update : Our "poorly organized" effort got the gate constructed in a period of less than a month from first finding the vandalism, has reached its financial goal (thanks to all that contributed !), did it without needing to make formal overtures to the "54 SP500 companies that are headquartered in Texas", did so without creating a massive headache by making sure that there was a 501(C)3 organization receiving the funds for shuttling to a third party, and did so by using a poor-boy version of crowd-sourcing from within the caving community. No excuses for dinner tonight. Jerry. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update :
That's interesting. I think of leadership as not whining but doing. Leadership is not asking others to do something they are not comfortable with or causes them to have moral dilemmas, especially when it only serves to make you comfortable. Leadership is trying to understand another person's perspective without cramming it down their throat in a "My way or the Highway" manner. Our "poorly organized" effort got the gate constructed in a period of less than a month from first finding the vandalism, has reached its financial goal (thanks to all that contributed !), did it without needing to make formal overtures to the "54 SP500 companies that are headquartered in Texas", did so without creating a massive headache by making sure that there was a 501(C)3 organization receiving the funds for shuttling to a third party, and did so by using a poor-boy version of crowd-sourcing from within the caving community. No excuses for dinner tonight. If I insulted you, I apologize. But as you said in your first email or so, that's your issue. Thank you for your donation. Jerry. -Original Message- From: Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> To: texas cavers tc <texascavers@texascavers.com> Sent: Thu, Jun 23, 2016 7:17 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update : Leadership - It's about addressing the issues, not targeting the messengers,Leadership - It's about getting things done even without global consensus, Leadership - It's about setting your organization to succeed - like setting up Ellenberger formation solid tax deductible donation options,Leadership - It's about not insulting your potential donors or participants,And I don't want to start my next email message with 'Excuses, it's what's for dinner tonight',RK> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 20:37:49 -0400 > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update : > From: texascavers@texascavers.com > > Rafal, > > If it was so easy, I challenge you to step up and make it so. From the > experience I have had dealing with both organizations, well-meaning but > time and energy constrained cavers, and the odd troll here and there, > it's anything but easy to get folks to agree on anything, even more so > when money is involved. > > Yes, Diana, I could have appealed to either the TCMA or TSS to be the > funds collector for the Powell's Cave Project so that a handful of > folks could get a minuscule tax deduction if they wanted one. But I > felt it was a conflict of interest to ask the TSS to do so as I'm an > officer on the Board. That won't matter to some folks but it does to > me. The TCMA is a fine organization doing excellent work for Texas > caves and cavers but they take awhile to make things happen and this > gate needed to be done quickly. > > So, there you go - the usual simple solutions to the worlds problems > aren't actually all that simple. Please keep that in mind as you > instruct the world as to how it should be done. In the mean time, I > haven't seen you two actually donating anything but grief. Make > something happen or get off the soap box. > > Jerry. > > -Original Message- > From: Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> > To: texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> > Sent: Thu, Jun 23, 2016 5:09 pm > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update : > > What did you assume that isn't true? > > Caves and karst in Texas are an incredible resource that should be > protected and set aside - the case for which should be easily made > especially when one considers lack of green space as compared to > American East and West. If Texas cavers could reach around and outside > of its own community, get funding from private donors, one could not > only gate dozens of habitat sensitive caves but also set up a network > of karst preserves. For goodness sake, there are 54 SP500 companies > headquarters in Texas! All that takes is ability to share your vision > with others, show them the resource you are trying to protect and > reasons why. And yes, sometimes take them above and below the ground, > get their hands dirty. > > And your concern is a nonexistent moral dilemma? > > RK > > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 16:37:30 -0600 > > To: texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com> > > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update : > > From: texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com> > > > > Then why did you ask, for Pete's sake ? > > > > Jerry. > > > > Sent from my iP
Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update :
Diana, I asked the same question but the response did not fully benefit the donor or the donee so I sent the money without the benefit of a tax deduction. Fritz Holt fritz...@ail.com Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 23, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Diana Tomchick via Texascavers > <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > > If you would like to get a company or private donor interested in donating > large sums of money, it would help if the donors knew they could use it as a > deduction on their federal income taxes. > > Which leads me to ask once again (since the first time I asked this question > it went unanswered), what would it take to make a donation to the Powell’s > Cave gating project tax deductible? The last time I checked the web site, the > Texas Speleological Survey is a registered 501(c)(3) organization, both Jim > Kennedy and Jerry Atkinson are Director.s Was there no way that the money > couldn’t have been donated to the TSS, which would then use the money to fund > the protection of Powell’s Cave? Or failing that, through the TCMA? > > Why do we have these organizations in Texas if they can’t be used to leverage > donations to protect these important resources? > > Diana > > ** > Diana R. Tomchick > Professor > Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry > University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center > 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. > Rm. ND10.214A > Dallas, TX 75390-8816 > diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu > (214) 645-6383 (phone) > (214) 645-6353 (fax) > >> On Jun 23, 2016, at 6:09 PM, texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: >> >> What did you assume that isn't true? >> >> Caves and karst in Texas are an incredible resource that should be protected >> and set aside - the case for which should be easily made especially when >> one considers lack of green space as compared to American East and West. If >> Texas cavers could reach around and outside of its own community, get >> funding from private donors, one could not only gate dozens of habitat >> sensitive caves but also set up a network of karst preserves. For goodness >> sake, there are 54 SP500 companies headquarters in Texas! All that takes is >> ability to share your vision with others, show them the resource you are >> trying to protect and reasons why. And yes, sometimes take them above and >> below the ground, get their hands dirty. >> >> And your concern is a nonexistent moral dilemma? >> >> RK >> >>> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 16:37:30 -0600 >>> To: texascavers@texascavers.com >>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update : >>> From: texascavers@texascavers.com >>> >>> Then why did you ask, for Pete's sake ? >>> >>> Jerry. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jun 23, 2016, at 4:23 PM, Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers >>>> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> No change in my statement. If someone is philanthropic in order to gain >>>> access to the cave, that's a >>>> wrong reason for generosity - but that's his/her issue, not yours. If >>>> someone is taken through the cave as a thank you for helping to preserve >>>> an incredible resource, that's your way of expressing generosity - not >>>> the issue of the donor. >>>> >>>> RK >>>> >>>> >>>>> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 16:18:37 -0600 >>>>> To: texascavers@texascavers.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update : >>>>> From: texascavers@texascavers.com >>>>> >>>>> When they ask ahead of actually donating, it's a tacit request. That >>>>> becomes my problem. >>>>> >>>>> Jerry. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 23, 2016, at 3:57 PM, Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers >>>>>> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> If someone is philanthropic in order to gain access to the cave, that's >>>>>> a wrong reason for generosity - but that's his/her issue, not yours. If >>>>>> someone is taken through the cave as a thank you for helping to preserve >>>>>> an incredible resource, that's your way of expressing generosity - not >>>>>> the issue of the donor. >>>>>> >>&g
Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update :
Leadership - It's about addressing the issues, not targeting the messengers, Leadership - It's about getting things done even without global consensus, Leadership - It's about setting your organization to succeed - like setting up Ellenberger formation solid tax deductible donation options, Leadership - It's about not insulting your potential donors or participants, And I don't want to start my next email message with 'Excuses, it's what's for dinner tonight', RK > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 20:37:49 -0400 > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update : > From: texascavers@texascavers.com > > Rafal, > > If it was so easy, I challenge you to step up and make it so. From the > experience I have had dealing with both organizations, well-meaning but > time and energy constrained cavers, and the odd troll here and there, > it's anything but easy to get folks to agree on anything, even more so > when money is involved. > > Yes, Diana, I could have appealed to either the TCMA or TSS to be the > funds collector for the Powell's Cave Project so that a handful of > folks could get a minuscule tax deduction if they wanted one. But I > felt it was a conflict of interest to ask the TSS to do so as I'm an > officer on the Board. That won't matter to some folks but it does to > me. The TCMA is a fine organization doing excellent work for Texas > caves and cavers but they take awhile to make things happen and this > gate needed to be done quickly. > > So, there you go - the usual simple solutions to the worlds problems > aren't actually all that simple. Please keep that in mind as you > instruct the world as to how it should be done. In the mean time, I > haven't seen you two actually donating anything but grief. Make > something happen or get off the soap box. > > Jerry. > > -Original Message- > From: Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> > To: texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> > Sent: Thu, Jun 23, 2016 5:09 pm > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update : > > What did you assume that isn't true? > > Caves and karst in Texas are an incredible resource that should be > protected and set aside - the case for which should be easily made > especially when one considers lack of green space as compared to > American East and West. If Texas cavers could reach around and outside > of its own community, get funding from private donors, one could not > only gate dozens of habitat sensitive caves but also set up a network > of karst preserves. For goodness sake, there are 54 SP500 companies > headquarters in Texas! All that takes is ability to share your vision > with others, show them the resource you are trying to protect and > reasons why. And yes, sometimes take them above and below the ground, > get their hands dirty. > > And your concern is a nonexistent moral dilemma? > > RK > > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 16:37:30 -0600 > > To: texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com> > > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update : > > From: texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com> > > > > Then why did you ask, for Pete's sake ? > > > > Jerry. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jun 23, 2016, at 4:23 PM, Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers > <texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> > wrote: > > > >> No change in my statement. If someone is philanthropic in order to > gain access to the cave, that's a > >> wrong reason for generosity - but that's his/her issue, not yours. If > >> someone is taken through the cave as a thank you for helping to preserve > >> an incredible resource, that's your way of expressing generosity - not > >> the issue of the donor. > >> > >> RK > >> > >> > >>> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 16:18:37 -0600 > >>> To: texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com> > >>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update : > >>> From: texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com> > >>> > >>> When they ask ahead of actually donating, it's a tacit request. > That becomes my problem. > >>> > >>> Jerry. > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>
Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update :
Rafal, If it was so easy, I challenge you to step up and make it so. From the experience I have had dealing with both organizations, well-meaning but time and energy constrained cavers, and the odd troll here and there, it's anything but easy to get folks to agree on anything, even more so when money is involved. Yes, Diana, I could have appealed to either the TCMA or TSS to be the funds collector for the Powell's Cave Project so that a handful of folks could get a minuscule tax deduction if they wanted one. But I felt it was a conflict of interest to ask the TSS to do so as I'm an officer on the Board. That won't matter to some folks but it does to me. The TCMA is a fine organization doing excellent work for Texas caves and cavers but they take awhile to make things happen and this gate needed to be done quickly. So, there you go - the usual simple solutions to the worlds problems aren't actually all that simple. Please keep that in mind as you instruct the world as to how it should be done. In the mean time, I haven't seen you two actually donating anything but grief. Make something happen or get off the soap box. Jerry. -Original Message- From: Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> To: texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> Sent: Thu, Jun 23, 2016 5:09 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update : What did you assume that isn't true? Caves and karst in Texas are an incredible resource that should be protected and set aside - the case for which should be easily made especially when one considers lack of green space as compared to American East and West. If Texas cavers could reach around and outside of its own community, get funding from private donors, one could not only gate dozens of habitat sensitive caves but also set up a network of karst preserves. For goodness sake, there are 54 SP500 companies headquarters in Texas! All that takes is ability to share your vision with others, show them the resource you are trying to protect and reasons why. And yes, sometimes take them above and below the ground, get their hands dirty. And your concern is a nonexistent moral dilemma? RK > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 16:37:30 -0600 > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update : > From: texascavers@texascavers.com > > Then why did you ask, for Pete's sake ? > > Jerry. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 23, 2016, at 4:23 PM, Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers > <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > > > No change in my statement. If someone is philanthropic in order to gain > > access to the cave, that's a > > wrong reason for generosity - but that's his/her issue, not yours. If > > someone is taken through the cave as a thank you for helping to preserve > > an incredible resource, that's your way of expressing generosity - not > > the issue of the donor. > > > > RK > > > > -------- > >> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 16:18:37 -0600 > >> To: texascavers@texascavers.com > >> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update : > >> From: texascavers@texascavers.com > >> > >> When they ask ahead of actually donating, it's a tacit request. That > >> becomes my problem. > >> > >> Jerry. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> On Jun 23, 2016, at 3:57 PM, Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers > >> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > >> > >>> If someone is philanthropic in order to gain access to the cave, that's a > >>> wrong reason for generosity - but that's his/her issue, not yours. If > >>> someone is taken through the cave as a thank you for helping to preserve > >>> an incredible resource, that's your way of expressing generosity - not > >>> the issue of the donor. > >>> > >>> RK > >>> > >>> > >>>> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 14:05:24 -0600 > >>>> To: texascavers@texascavers.com > >>>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update : > >>>> From: texascavers@texascavers.com > >>>> > >>>> Rafal, > >>>> > >>>> I'm not comfortable with donations for the greater good becoming > >>>> entitlements for special privileges. It would be unfortunate if that > >>>> becomes the principal reason for being philanthropic. > >>>> > >>>> As for resurveying Powell's Cave, there have been two survey projects of > >>>> the cave s
Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update :
To cut to the chase , the responses show a lack of vision and poor organization. If you need small business and public relations help, I'm sure it's available among the caving community on this email list. All you have to do is ask, RK Get Outlook for iOS On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 6:52 PM -0500, "Diana Tomchick via Texascavers"wrote: The fact that Powell’s is private property is irrelevant. Money has been donated in the past to TCMA (and that money was tax deductible to the donor) to fund projects at Honey Creek, which is also private property. Diana ** Diana R. Tomchick Professor Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214A Dallas, TX 75390-8816 diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu (214) 645-6383 (phone) (214) 645-6353 (fax) > On Jun 23, 2016, at 6:45 PM, Cave Tex wrote: > > Because Powells is on private property? > > > --Don > >> On Jun 23, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Diana Tomchick via Texascavers >> wrote: >> >> Why do we have these organizations in Texas if they can’t be used to >> leverage donations to protect these important resources? >> >> Diana > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update :
The fact that Powell’s is private property is irrelevant. Money has been donated in the past to TCMA (and that money was tax deductible to the donor) to fund projects at Honey Creek, which is also private property. Diana ** Diana R. Tomchick Professor Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214A Dallas, TX 75390-8816 diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu (214) 645-6383 (phone) (214) 645-6353 (fax) > On Jun 23, 2016, at 6:45 PM, Cave Texwrote: > > Because Powells is on private property? > > > --Don > >> On Jun 23, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Diana Tomchick via Texascavers >> wrote: >> >> Why do we have these organizations in Texas if they can’t be used to >> leverage donations to protect these important resources? >> >> Diana > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update :
Because Powells is on private property? --Don > On Jun 23, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Diana Tomchick via Texascavers >wrote: > > Why do we have these organizations in Texas if they can’t be used to leverage > donations to protect these important resources? > > Diana ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update :
If you would like to get a company or private donor interested in donating large sums of money, it would help if the donors knew they could use it as a deduction on their federal income taxes. Which leads me to ask once again (since the first time I asked this question it went unanswered), what would it take to make a donation to the Powell’s Cave gating project tax deductible? The last time I checked the web site, the Texas Speleological Survey is a registered 501(c)(3) organization, both Jim Kennedy and Jerry Atkinson are Director.s Was there no way that the money couldn’t have been donated to the TSS, which would then use the money to fund the protection of Powell’s Cave? Or failing that, through the TCMA? Why do we have these organizations in Texas if they can’t be used to leverage donations to protect these important resources? Diana ** Diana R. Tomchick Professor Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214A Dallas, TX 75390-8816 diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu (214) 645-6383 (phone) (214) 645-6353 (fax) > On Jun 23, 2016, at 6:09 PM, texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: > > What did you assume that isn't true? > > Caves and karst in Texas are an incredible resource that should be protected > and set aside - the case for which should be easily made especially when one > considers lack of green space as compared to American East and West. If Texas > cavers could reach around and outside of its own community, get funding from > private donors, one could not only gate dozens of habitat sensitive caves but > also set up a network of karst preserves. For goodness sake, there are 54 > SP500 companies headquarters in Texas! All that takes is ability to share > your vision with others, show them the resource you are trying to protect and > reasons why. And yes, sometimes take them above and below the ground, get > their hands dirty. > > And your concern is a nonexistent moral dilemma? > > RK > > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 16:37:30 -0600 > > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update : > > From: texascavers@texascavers.com > > > > Then why did you ask, for Pete's sake ? > > > > Jerry. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jun 23, 2016, at 4:23 PM, Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers > > <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > > > > > No change in my statement. If someone is philanthropic in order to gain > > > access to the cave, that's a > > > wrong reason for generosity - but that's his/her issue, not yours. If > > > someone is taken through the cave as a thank you for helping to preserve > > > an incredible resource, that's your way of expressing generosity - not > > > the issue of the donor. > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > >> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 16:18:37 -0600 > > >> To: texascavers@texascavers.com > > >> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update : > > >> From: texascavers@texascavers.com > > >> > > >> When they ask ahead of actually donating, it's a tacit request. That > > >> becomes my problem. > > >> > > >> Jerry. > > >> > > >> Sent from my iPhone > > >> > > >> On Jun 23, 2016, at 3:57 PM, Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers > > >> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > > >> > > >>> If someone is philanthropic in order to gain access to the cave, that's > > >>> a wrong reason for generosity - but that's his/her issue, not yours. If > > >>> someone is taken through the cave as a thank you for helping to > > >>> preserve an incredible resource, that's your way of expressing > > >>> generosity - not the issue of the donor. > > >>> > > >>> RK > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 14:05:24 -0600 > > >>>> To: texascavers@texascavers.com > > >>>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update : > > >>>> From: texascavers@texascavers.com > > >>>> > > >>>> Rafal, > > >>>> > > >>>> I'm not comfortable with donations for the greater good becoming > > >>>> entitlements for special privileges. It would be unfortunate if that > > >>>> becomes the princip
Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update :
What did you assume that isn't true? Caves and karst in Texas are an incredible resource that should be protected and set aside - the case for which should be easily made especially when one considers lack of green space as compared to American East and West. If Texas cavers could reach around and outside of its own community, get funding from private donors, one could not only gate dozens of habitat sensitive caves but also set up a network of karst preserves. For goodness sake, there are 54 SP500 companies headquarters in Texas! All that takes is ability to share your vision with others, show them the resource you are trying to protect and reasons why. And yes, sometimes take them above and below the ground, get their hands dirty. And your concern is a nonexistent moral dilemma? RK > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 16:37:30 -0600 > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update : > From: texascavers@texascavers.com > > Then why did you ask, for Pete's sake ? > > Jerry. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 23, 2016, at 4:23 PM, Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers > <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > > > No change in my statement. If someone is philanthropic in order to gain > > access to the cave, that's a > > wrong reason for generosity - but that's his/her issue, not yours. If > > someone is taken through the cave as a thank you for helping to preserve > > an incredible resource, that's your way of expressing generosity - not > > the issue of the donor. > > > > RK > > > > > >> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 16:18:37 -0600 > >> To: texascavers@texascavers.com > >> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update : > >> From: texascavers@texascavers.com > >> > >> When they ask ahead of actually donating, it's a tacit request. That > >> becomes my problem. > >> > >> Jerry. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> On Jun 23, 2016, at 3:57 PM, Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers > >> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > >> > >>> If someone is philanthropic in order to gain access to the cave, that's a > >>> wrong reason for generosity - but that's his/her issue, not yours. If > >>> someone is taken through the cave as a thank you for helping to preserve > >>> an incredible resource, that's your way of expressing generosity - not > >>> the issue of the donor. > >>> > >>> RK > >>> > >>> > >>>> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 14:05:24 -0600 > >>>> To: texascavers@texascavers.com > >>>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update : > >>>> From: texascavers@texascavers.com > >>>> > >>>> Rafal, > >>>> > >>>> I'm not comfortable with donations for the greater good becoming > >>>> entitlements for special privileges. It would be unfortunate if that > >>>> becomes the principal reason for being philanthropic. > >>>> > >>>> As for resurveying Powell's Cave, there have been two survey projects of > >>>> the cave since the early 1960s, and one fairly decent map made of the > >>>> cave. Unfortunately, past efforts used whoever showed up at trips as > >>>> survey teams, with little to no quality control of survey standards. The > >>>> result was a mish-mash of excellent to awful surveys that was nearly > >>>> impossible to compile into a good map. Any future effort will require a > >>>> different strategy that may be too difficult to complete given the lack > >>>> of project leaders and cartographers we have today. > >>>> > >>>> Jerry. > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>> On Jun 23, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers > >>>> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Further along those lines, do donors get a special thank you trip:)? > >>>>> > >>>>> When does the longest mostly dry cave in Texas get a more perfect > >>>>> survey project and map? > >>>>> > >>>>> RK > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 13:55:00 + > >>>
Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update :
Then why did you ask, for Pete's sake ? Jerry. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 23, 2016, at 4:23 PM, Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > No change in my statement. If someone is philanthropic in order to gain > access to the cave, that's a > wrong reason for generosity - but that's his/her issue, not yours. If > someone is taken through the cave as a thank you for helping to preserve > an incredible resource, that's your way of expressing generosity - not > the issue of the donor. > > RK > > >> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 16:18:37 -0600 >> To: texascavers@texascavers.com >> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update : >> From: texascavers@texascavers.com >> >> When they ask ahead of actually donating, it's a tacit request. That becomes >> my problem. >> >> Jerry. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 23, 2016, at 3:57 PM, Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers >> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: >> >>> If someone is philanthropic in order to gain access to the cave, that's a >>> wrong reason for generosity - but that's his/her issue, not yours. If >>> someone is taken through the cave as a thank you for helping to preserve an >>> incredible resource, that's your way of expressing generosity - not the >>> issue of the donor. >>> >>> RK >>> >>> >>>> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 14:05:24 -0600 >>>> To: texascavers@texascavers.com >>>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update : >>>> From: texascavers@texascavers.com >>>> >>>> Rafal, >>>> >>>> I'm not comfortable with donations for the greater good becoming >>>> entitlements for special privileges. It would be unfortunate if that >>>> becomes the principal reason for being philanthropic. >>>> >>>> As for resurveying Powell's Cave, there have been two survey projects of >>>> the cave since the early 1960s, and one fairly decent map made of the >>>> cave. Unfortunately, past efforts used whoever showed up at trips as >>>> survey teams, with little to no quality control of survey standards. The >>>> result was a mish-mash of excellent to awful surveys that was nearly >>>> impossible to compile into a good map. Any future effort will require a >>>> different strategy that may be too difficult to complete given the lack of >>>> project leaders and cartographers we have today. >>>> >>>> Jerry. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Jun 23, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers >>>> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Further along those lines, do donors get a special thank you trip:)? >>>>> >>>>> When does the longest mostly dry cave in Texas get a more perfect survey >>>>> project and map? >>>>> >>>>> RK >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 13:55:00 + >>>>>> To: texascavers@texascavers.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update : >>>>>> From: texascavers@texascavers.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> How do we send in a contribution? Is there somewhere online I can donate? >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> Dessie Pierce, MA >>>>>> Licensed Professional Counselor >>>>>> Licensed Chemical Dependency Counselor >>>>>> Certified Clinical Trauma Professional >>>>>> 11999 Katy Freeway >>>>>> Suite 509 >>>>>> Houston, TX 77079 >>>>>> phone: 832-735-0065 >>>>>> cell: 832-341-8880 >>>>>> des...@dessiep.com<mailto:des...@dessiep.com> >>>>>> dessiep.com >>>>>> It is important to be aware that e-mail communication can be relatively >>>>>> easily accessed by unauthorized people and therefore can compromise the >>>>>> privacy and confidentiality of such communication. Please notify me >>>>>> (Dessie Pierce) if you decide to avoid or limit in anyway the use of >>>>>> email. Please do not use email for emerge
Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update :
No change in my statement. If someone is philanthropic in order to gain access to the cave, that's a wrong reason for generosity - but that's his/her issue, not yours. If someone is taken through the cave as a thank you for helping to preserve an incredible resource, that's your way of expressing generosity - not the issue of the donor. RK > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 16:18:37 -0600 > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update : > From: texascavers@texascavers.com > > When they ask ahead of actually donating, it's a tacit request. That becomes > my problem. > > Jerry. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 23, 2016, at 3:57 PM, Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers > <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > >> If someone is philanthropic in order to gain access to the cave, that's a >> wrong reason for generosity - but that's his/her issue, not yours. If >> someone is taken through the cave as a thank you for helping to preserve an >> incredible resource, that's your way of expressing generosity - not the >> issue of the donor. >> >> RK >> >> >>> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 14:05:24 -0600 >>> To: texascavers@texascavers.com >>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update : >>> From: texascavers@texascavers.com >>> >>> Rafal, >>> >>> I'm not comfortable with donations for the greater good becoming >>> entitlements for special privileges. It would be unfortunate if that >>> becomes the principal reason for being philanthropic. >>> >>> As for resurveying Powell's Cave, there have been two survey projects of >>> the cave since the early 1960s, and one fairly decent map made of the cave. >>> Unfortunately, past efforts used whoever showed up at trips as survey >>> teams, with little to no quality control of survey standards. The result >>> was a mish-mash of excellent to awful surveys that was nearly impossible to >>> compile into a good map. Any future effort will require a different >>> strategy that may be too difficult to complete given the lack of project >>> leaders and cartographers we have today. >>> >>> Jerry. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jun 23, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers >>> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Further along those lines, do donors get a special thank you trip:)? >>>> >>>> When does the longest mostly dry cave in Texas get a more perfect survey >>>> project and map? >>>> >>>> RK >>>> >>>> >>>>> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 13:55:00 + >>>>> To: texascavers@texascavers.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update : >>>>> From: texascavers@texascavers.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> How do we send in a contribution? Is there somewhere online I can donate? >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> Dessie Pierce, MA >>>>> Licensed Professional Counselor >>>>> Licensed Chemical Dependency Counselor >>>>> Certified Clinical Trauma Professional >>>>> 11999 Katy Freeway >>>>> Suite 509 >>>>> Houston, TX 77079 >>>>> phone: 832-735-0065 >>>>> cell: 832-341-8880 >>>>> des...@dessiep.com<mailto:des...@dessiep.com> >>>>> dessiep.com >>>>> It is important to be aware that e-mail communication can be relatively >>>>> easily accessed by unauthorized people and therefore can compromise the >>>>> privacy and confidentiality of such communication. Please notify me >>>>> (Dessie Pierce) if you decide to avoid or limit in anyway the use of >>>>> email. Please do not use email for emergencies. Any advice given >>>>> without a contract for professional services does not constitute >>>>> counseling in any manner and should not be relied upon. Information >>>>> contained within and accompanying this message is confidential, >>>>> intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If >>>>> the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are >>>>> hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this >>>>> message is strict
Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update :
When they ask ahead of actually donating, it's a tacit request. That becomes my problem. Jerry. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 23, 2016, at 3:57 PM, Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > If someone is philanthropic in order to gain access to the cave, that's a > wrong reason for generosity - but that's his/her issue, not yours. If someone > is taken through the cave as a thank you for helping to preserve an > incredible resource, that's your way of expressing generosity - not the issue > of the donor. > > RK > > >> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 14:05:24 -0600 >> To: texascavers@texascavers.com >> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update : >> From: texascavers@texascavers.com >> >> Rafal, >> >> I'm not comfortable with donations for the greater good becoming >> entitlements for special privileges. It would be unfortunate if that becomes >> the principal reason for being philanthropic. >> >> As for resurveying Powell's Cave, there have been two survey projects of the >> cave since the early 1960s, and one fairly decent map made of the cave. >> Unfortunately, past efforts used whoever showed up at trips as survey teams, >> with little to no quality control of survey standards. The result was a >> mish-mash of excellent to awful surveys that was nearly impossible to >> compile into a good map. Any future effort will require a different strategy >> that may be too difficult to complete given the lack of project leaders and >> cartographers we have today. >> >> Jerry. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 23, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers >> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: >> >>> Further along those lines, do donors get a special thank you trip:)? >>> >>> When does the longest mostly dry cave in Texas get a more perfect survey >>> project and map? >>> >>> RK >>> >>> >>>> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 13:55:00 + >>>> To: texascavers@texascavers.com >>>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update : >>>> From: texascavers@texascavers.com >>>> >>>> >>>> How do we send in a contribution? Is there somewhere online I can donate? >>>> >>>> --- >>>> Dessie Pierce, MA >>>> Licensed Professional Counselor >>>> Licensed Chemical Dependency Counselor >>>> Certified Clinical Trauma Professional >>>> 11999 Katy Freeway >>>> Suite 509 >>>> Houston, TX 77079 >>>> phone: 832-735-0065 >>>> cell: 832-341-8880 >>>> des...@dessiep.com<mailto:des...@dessiep.com> >>>> dessiep.com >>>> It is important to be aware that e-mail communication can be relatively >>>> easily accessed by unauthorized people and therefore can compromise the >>>> privacy and confidentiality of such communication. Please notify me >>>> (Dessie Pierce) if you decide to avoid or limit in anyway the use of >>>> email. Please do not use email for emergencies. Any advice given >>>> without a contract for professional services does not constitute >>>> counseling in any manner and should not be relied upon. Information >>>> contained within and accompanying this message is confidential, >>>> intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If >>>> the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are >>>> hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this >>>> message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in >>>> error, please immediately notify me by telephone at 832-735-0065 or >>>> return the email and purge all copies of this message from your system. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2016-06-22 20:32, Jerry via Texascavers wrote: >>>> >>>> Powell's Cave Gate Project update >>>> >>>> Jim Kennedy and company have finished the gate on Powell's Cave, and >>>> now it's time to pay for it. As you can see from the accompanying >>>> graph, we've received $1200 of the approximately $2500 that has been >>>> pledged thus far. Many thanks to all that have sent in their donations >>>> or pledged to help! - If you haven't sent in your pledged
Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update :
If someone is philanthropic in order to gain access to the cave, that's a wrong reason for generosity - but that's his/her issue, not yours. If someone is taken through the cave as a thank you for helping to preserve an incredible resource, that's your way of expressing generosity - not the issue of the donor. RK > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 14:05:24 -0600 > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update : > From: texascavers@texascavers.com > > Rafal, > > I'm not comfortable with donations for the greater good becoming entitlements > for special privileges. It would be unfortunate if that becomes the principal > reason for being philanthropic. > > As for resurveying Powell's Cave, there have been two survey projects of the > cave since the early 1960s, and one fairly decent map made of the cave. > Unfortunately, past efforts used whoever showed up at trips as survey teams, > with little to no quality control of survey standards. The result was a > mish-mash of excellent to awful surveys that was nearly impossible to compile > into a good map. Any future effort will require a different strategy that may > be too difficult to complete given the lack of project leaders and > cartographers we have today. > > Jerry. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 23, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers > <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > >> Further along those lines, do donors get a special thank you trip:)? >> >> When does the longest mostly dry cave in Texas get a more perfect survey >> project and map? >> >> RK >> >> ________ >>> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 13:55:00 + >>> To: texascavers@texascavers.com >>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update : >>> From: texascavers@texascavers.com >>> >>> >>> How do we send in a contribution? Is there somewhere online I can donate? >>> >>> --- >>> Dessie Pierce, MA >>> Licensed Professional Counselor >>> Licensed Chemical Dependency Counselor >>> Certified Clinical Trauma Professional >>> 11999 Katy Freeway >>> Suite 509 >>> Houston, TX 77079 >>> phone: 832-735-0065 >>> cell: 832-341-8880 >>> des...@dessiep.com<mailto:des...@dessiep.com> >>> dessiep.com >>> It is important to be aware that e-mail communication can be relatively >>> easily accessed by unauthorized people and therefore can compromise the >>> privacy and confidentiality of such communication. Please notify me >>> (Dessie Pierce) if you decide to avoid or limit in anyway the use of >>> email. Please do not use email for emergencies. Any advice given >>> without a contract for professional services does not constitute >>> counseling in any manner and should not be relied upon. Information >>> contained within and accompanying this message is confidential, >>> intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If >>> the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are >>> hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this >>> message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in >>> error, please immediately notify me by telephone at 832-735-0065 or >>> return the email and purge all copies of this message from your system. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2016-06-22 20:32, Jerry via Texascavers wrote: >>> >>> Powell's Cave Gate Project update >>> >>> Jim Kennedy and company have finished the gate on Powell's Cave, and >>> now it's time to pay for it. As you can see from the accompanying >>> graph, we've received $1200 of the approximately $2500 that has been >>> pledged thus far. Many thanks to all that have sent in their donations >>> or pledged to help! - If you haven't sent in your pledged donation, >>> please do so at your earliest convenience so we can pay the bills. >>> >>> The graph also shows that we are about $800 shy of our goal. If you are >>> thinking of helping out on the gate project, please do so at this time. >>> Help support our continuing efforts to protect both the cave and its >>> bats, and to demonstrate our commitment to the landowner. >>> >>> Jerry Atkinson >>> Powell's Cave Landowner Liaison >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com &
Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update :
Rafal, I'm not comfortable with donations for the greater good becoming entitlements for special privileges. It would be unfortunate if that becomes the principal reason for being philanthropic. As for resurveying Powell's Cave, there have been two survey projects of the cave since the early 1960s, and one fairly decent map made of the cave. Unfortunately, past efforts used whoever showed up at trips as survey teams, with little to no quality control of survey standards. The result was a mish-mash of excellent to awful surveys that was nearly impossible to compile into a good map. Any future effort will require a different strategy that may be too difficult to complete given the lack of project leaders and cartographers we have today. Jerry. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 23, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > Further along those lines, do donors get a special thank you trip:)? > > When does the longest mostly dry cave in Texas get a more perfect survey > project and map? > > RK > > >> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 13:55:00 + >> To: texascavers@texascavers.com >> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update : >> From: texascavers@texascavers.com >> >> >> How do we send in a contribution? Is there somewhere online I can donate? >> >> --- >> Dessie Pierce, MA >> Licensed Professional Counselor >> Licensed Chemical Dependency Counselor >> Certified Clinical Trauma Professional >> 11999 Katy Freeway >> Suite 509 >> Houston, TX 77079 >> phone: 832-735-0065 >> cell: 832-341-8880 >> des...@dessiep.com<mailto:des...@dessiep.com> >> dessiep.com >> It is important to be aware that e-mail communication can be relatively >> easily accessed by unauthorized people and therefore can compromise the >> privacy and confidentiality of such communication. Please notify me >> (Dessie Pierce) if you decide to avoid or limit in anyway the use of >> email. Please do not use email for emergencies. Any advice given >> without a contract for professional services does not constitute >> counseling in any manner and should not be relied upon. Information >> contained within and accompanying this message is confidential, >> intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If >> the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are >> hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this >> message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in >> error, please immediately notify me by telephone at 832-735-0065 or >> return the email and purge all copies of this message from your system. >> >> >> >> On 2016-06-22 20:32, Jerry via Texascavers wrote: >> >> Powell's Cave Gate Project update >> >> Jim Kennedy and company have finished the gate on Powell's Cave, and >> now it's time to pay for it. As you can see from the accompanying >> graph, we've received $1200 of the approximately $2500 that has been >> pledged thus far. Many thanks to all that have sent in their donations >> or pledged to help! - If you haven't sent in your pledged donation, >> please do so at your earliest convenience so we can pay the bills. >> >> The graph also shows that we are about $800 shy of our goal. If you are >> thinking of helping out on the gate project, please do so at this time. >> Help support our continuing efforts to protect both the cave and its >> bats, and to demonstrate our commitment to the landowner. >> >> Jerry Atkinson >> Powell's Cave Landowner Liaison >> >> >> >> ___ >> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >> Texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com> | >> Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/<http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers%40texascavers.com/> >> >> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >> >> ___ Texascavers mailing >> list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ >> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update :
Send donations to: Gerald Atkinson 16 Hummingbird Lane Glorieta, NM. 87535 Thanks ! Jerry. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 23, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Dessie Pierce via Texascaverswrote: > How do we send in a contribution? Is there somewhere online I can donate? > > --- > Dessie Pierce, MA > Licensed Professional Counselor > Licensed Chemical Dependency Counselor > Certified Clinical Trauma Professional > 11999 Katy Freeway > Suite 509 > Houston, TX 77079 > phone: 832-735-0065 > cell: 832-341-8880 > des...@dessiep.com > dessiep.com > It is important to be aware that e-mail communication can be relatively > easily accessed by unauthorized people and therefore can compromise the > privacy and confidentiality of such communication. Please notify me (Dessie > Pierce) if you decide to avoid or limit in anyway the use of email. Please > do not use email for emergencies. Any advice given without a contract for > professional services does not constitute counseling in any manner and should > not be relied upon. Information contained within and accompanying this > message is confidential, intended only for the use of the individual or > entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or > copy of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > message in error, please immediately notify me by telephone at 832-735-0065 > or return the email and purge all copies of this message from your system. > > > On 2016-06-22 20:32, Jerry via Texascavers wrote: > >> Powell's Cave Gate Project update >> >> Jim Kennedy and company have finished the gate on Powell's Cave, and now >> it's time to pay for it. As you can see from the accompanying graph, we've >> received $1200 of the approximately $2500 that has been pledged thus far. >> Many thanks to all that have sent in their donations or pledged to help! - >> If you haven't sent in your pledged donation, please do so at your earliest >> convenience so we can pay the bills. >> >> The graph also shows that we are about $800 shy of our goal. If you are >> thinking of helping out on the gate project, please do so at this time. Help >> support our continuing efforts to protect both the cave and its bats, and to >> demonstrate our commitment to the landowner. >> >> Jerry Atkinson >> Powell's Cave Landowner Liaison >> >> >> >> ___ >> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ >> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update :
Further along those lines, do donors get a special thank you trip:)? When does the longest mostly dry cave in Texas get a more perfect survey project and map? RK > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 13:55:00 + > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update : > From: texascavers@texascavers.com > > > How do we send in a contribution? Is there somewhere online I can donate? > > --- > Dessie Pierce, MA > Licensed Professional Counselor > Licensed Chemical Dependency Counselor > Certified Clinical Trauma Professional > 11999 Katy Freeway > Suite 509 > Houston, TX 77079 > phone: 832-735-0065 > cell: 832-341-8880 > des...@dessiep.com<mailto:des...@dessiep.com> > dessiep.com > It is important to be aware that e-mail communication can be relatively > easily accessed by unauthorized people and therefore can compromise the > privacy and confidentiality of such communication. Please notify me > (Dessie Pierce) if you decide to avoid or limit in anyway the use of > email. Please do not use email for emergencies. Any advice given > without a contract for professional services does not constitute > counseling in any manner and should not be relied upon. Information > contained within and accompanying this message is confidential, > intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If > the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are > hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this > message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in > error, please immediately notify me by telephone at 832-735-0065 or > return the email and purge all copies of this message from your system. > > > > On 2016-06-22 20:32, Jerry via Texascavers wrote: > > Powell's Cave Gate Project update > > Jim Kennedy and company have finished the gate on Powell's Cave, and > now it's time to pay for it. As you can see from the accompanying > graph, we've received $1200 of the approximately $2500 that has been > pledged thus far. Many thanks to all that have sent in their donations > or pledged to help! - If you haven't sent in your pledged donation, > please do so at your earliest convenience so we can pay the bills. > > The graph also shows that we are about $800 shy of our goal. If you are > thinking of helping out on the gate project, please do so at this time. > Help support our continuing efforts to protect both the cave and its > bats, and to demonstrate our commitment to the landowner. > > Jerry Atkinson > Powell's Cave Landowner Liaison > > > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com> | > Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/<http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers%40texascavers.com/> > > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > ___ Texascavers mailing > list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update :
How do we send in a contribution? Is there somewhere online I can donate? --- Dessie Pierce, MA Licensed Professional Counselor Licensed Chemical Dependency Counselor Certified Clinical Trauma Professional 11999 Katy Freeway Suite 509 Houston, TX 77079 phone: 832-735-0065 cell: 832-341-8880 des...@dessiep.com dessiep.com It is important to be aware that e-mail communication can be relatively easily accessed by unauthorized people and therefore can compromise the privacy and confidentiality of such communication. Please notify me (Dessie Pierce) if you decide to avoid or limit in anyway the use of email. Please do not use email for emergencies. Any advice given without a contract for professional services does not constitute counseling in any manner and should not be relied upon. Information contained within and accompanying this message is confidential, intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify me by telephone at 832-735-0065 or return the email and purge all copies of this message from your system. On 2016-06-22 20:32, Jerry via Texascavers wrote: > POWELL'S CAVE GATE PROJECT UPDATE > > Jim Kennedy and company have finished the gate on Powell's Cave, and now it's > time to pay for it. As you can see from the accompanying graph, we've > received $1200 of the approximately $2500 that has been pledged thus far. > Many thanks to all that have sent in their donations or pledged to help! - If > you haven't sent in your pledged donation, please do so at your earliest > convenience so we can pay the bills. > > The graph also shows that we are about $800 shy of our goal. If you are > thinking of helping out on the gate project, please do so at this time. Help > support our continuing efforts to protect both the cave and its bats, and to > demonstrate our commitment to the landowner. > > Jerry Atkinson > > Powell's Cave Landowner Liaison > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers