Re: [Texascavers] Remembering Ernie
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Re: [Texascavers] Remembering Mr. Spock
Ernie, You missed your opportunity to give the Vulcan salute and say, Live long and prosper! Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net On Fri, February 27, 2015 3:23 pm, via Texascavers wrote: When the movie, Star Trek-the Motion Picture was filmed, I as working for Boss Films, a special effects studio in Los Angeles. There were two days of fliming close-ups of Mr. Spock, one scene where he had bright lights flashing at this face. I had been asked if I had any large flashbulbs they could use for the shoot, and I did. It was the remenants of flashbulbs and a reflector I had dragged through some of the caves in Cuetzalan, Mexico while doing some cave photography. There was a worry that some of the bulbs could be cracked, in which case they would explode when fired, but luckily, none of them did during the several takes it took to film it. I worked in the darkroon and there was a sliding door leading to the front office and a hallway. As I opened the door one day, I was startled to find Lenard Nimoy leaning against the wall smoking a cigarette; he was in costume with his pointy ears, and all I could think of saying was, Hi, I understand you are from Boston. How lame, but still a notable recollection. --Ernie Garza ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Remembering Mr. Spock
That's a really nice story. Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.com You can't always get what you want but if you try sometime, you just might find you get what you need Rolling Stones On Feb 27, 2015, at 2:23 PM, via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: When the movie, Star Trek-the Motion Picture was filmed, I as working for Boss Films, a special effects studio in Los Angeles. There were two days of fliming close-ups of Mr. Spock, one scene where he had bright lights flashing at this face. I had been asked if I had any large flashbulbs they could use for the shoot, and I did. It was the remenants of flashbulbs and a reflector I had dragged through some of the caves in Cuetzalan, Mexico while doing some cave photography. There was a worry that some of the bulbs could be cracked, in which case they would explode when fired, but luckily, none of them did during the several takes it took to film it. I worked in the darkroon and there was a sliding door leading to the front office and a hallway. As I opened the door one day, I was startled to find Lenard Nimoy leaning against the wall smoking a cigarette; he was in costume with his pointy ears, and all I could think of saying was, Hi, I understand you are from Boston. How lame, but still a notable recollection. --Ernie Garza ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Remembering Mr. Spock
Spock caved. --Don On Feb 27, 2015, at 5:52 PM, Sheryl Rieck via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: That's a really nice story. Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.com You can't always get what you want but if you try sometime, you just might find you get what you need Rolling Stones On Feb 27, 2015, at 2:23 PM, via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: When the movie, Star Trek-the Motion Picture was filmed, I as working for Boss Films, a special effects studio in Los Angeles. There were two days of fliming close-ups of Mr. Spock, one scene where he had bright lights flashing at this face. I had been asked if I had any large flashbulbs they could use for the shoot, and I did. It was the remenants of flashbulbs and a reflector I had dragged through some of the caves in Cuetzalan, Mexico while doing some cave photography. There was a worry that some of the bulbs could be cracked, in which case they would explode when fired, but luckily, none of them did during the several takes it took to film it. I worked in the darkroon and there was a sliding door leading to the front office and a hallway. As I opened the door one day, I was startled to find Lenard Nimoy leaning against the wall smoking a cigarette; he was in costume with his pointy ears, and all I could think of saying was, Hi, I understand you are from Boston. How lame, but still a notable recollection. --Ernie Garza ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Remembering Mr. Spock
Very cool Ernie, thanks for sharing! He was a great man and will be missed. On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Mark Minton via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Ernie, You missed your opportunity to give the Vulcan salute and say, Live long and prosper! Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net On Fri, February 27, 2015 3:23 pm, via Texascavers wrote: When the movie, Star Trek-the Motion Picture was filmed, I as working for Boss Films, a special effects studio in Los Angeles. There were two days of fliming close-ups of Mr. Spock, one scene where he had bright lights flashing at this face. I had been asked if I had any large flashbulbs they could use for the shoot, and I did. It was the remenants of flashbulbs and a reflector I had dragged through some of the caves in Cuetzalan, Mexico while doing some cave photography. There was a worry that some of the bulbs could be cracked, in which case they would explode when fired, but luckily, none of them did during the several takes it took to film it. I worked in the darkroon and there was a sliding door leading to the front office and a hallway. As I opened the door one day, I was startled to find Lenard Nimoy leaning against the wall smoking a cigarette; he was in costume with his pointy ears, and all I could think of saying was, Hi, I understand you are from Boston. How lame, but still a notable recollection. --Ernie Garza ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Remembering Mr. Spock
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Re: [Texascavers] Remembering Mr. Spock
Rock, paper, scissors, lizard, Spock Julia G Germany germa...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com To: Cavetex texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Fri, Feb 27, 2015 4:31 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Remembering Mr. Spock Very cool Ernie, thanks for sharing! He was a great man and will be missed. On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Mark Minton via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Ernie, You missed your opportunity to give the Vulcan salute and say, Live long and prosper! Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net On Fri, February 27, 2015 3:23 pm, via Texascavers wrote: When the movie, Star Trek-the Motion Picture was filmed, I as working for Boss Films, a special effects studio in Los Angeles. There were two days of fliming close-ups of Mr. Spock, one scene where he had bright lights flashing at this face. I had been asked if I had any large flashbulbs they could use for the shoot, and I did. It was the remenants of flashbulbs and a reflector I had dragged through some of the caves in Cuetzalan, Mexico while doing some cave photography. There was a worry that some of the bulbs could be cracked, in which case they would explode when fired, but luckily, none of them did during the several takes it took to film it. I worked in the darkroon and there was a sliding door leading to the front office and a hallway. As I opened the door one day, I was startled to find Lenard Nimoy leaning against the wall smoking a cigarette; he was in costume with his pointy ears, and all I could think of saying was, Hi, I understand you are from Boston. How lame, but still a notable recollection. --Ernie Garza ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Remembering
Gruta del Palmito (Bustamante) was my first wild cave. It was a mind-altering experience. I have watched the situation concerning the cave go through many changes over the years. It has been a very jerky Mexican-type natural progression from a totally wild, ask nobody for permission, do whatever you want wherever you want to do it, sort of cave to a gated tourist attraction with an artificial entrance tunnel. In the early days we had to follow a burro trail across the thorn infested desert to get there; today there's a road that more closely resembles the main runway of an international airport. Cavers have helped with some of the intermediate steps of the progress and enhanced goodwill with those responsible for the welfare of the cave. But otherwise US cavers (with a couple of notable exceptions) have been of little importance in the overall development of the cave, including the cleanup and restoration work done by the TSA Projects held there in the last few years of the '90s. Their commercialization efforts would have gone on without us. We were just an adjunct to everything else. It is my general opinion that the situation and development at Gruta del Palmito would have taken place pretty much exactly the way it did if cavers would never had lifted a hand otherwise. We have not been betrayed despite our efforts in Palmito any more than cavers have been betrayed by the commercialization of, say, Caverns of Sonora. A few Texans served with technical advice but the overall scheme of things was basically a local effort. Cavers can still get off-trail access through prior arrangement. --Ediger On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.comwrote: Mimi, I remember one of my first trips down there. I think Orion was the trip leader, but I'm not sure who else was there. We had just started down from the entrance on the breakdown slope when way off in the distance we kept hearing somebody calling Luz, Luz. So we all shown our lights downhill toward the cries and saw 3 or 4 of the local guys crawling around down below with no light trying to figure their way out. I can't remember how long they said they'd been in the dark, but it had been quite awhile (or maybe it just seemed that way). We loaned them a couple of our extra flashlights and they trotted off toward the entrance. Good practical reinforcement of one of the first rules of caving for me for me on one of my first big cave trips--never go without 3 independent sources of light. Of course, mine didn't have the lasting exitement yours did. Louise From: mjca...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 00:32:46 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Remembering 40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination - Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that trip, either. Time flies when you're having fun:) Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Remembering
Amen brother Gill
El martes, 18 de junio de 2013, Gill Edigar escribió:
Gruta del Palmito (Bustamante) was my first wild cave. It was a
mind-altering experience. I have watched the situation concerning the cave
go through many changes over the years. It has been a very jerky
Mexican-type natural progression from a totally wild, ask nobody for
permission, do whatever you want wherever you want to do it, sort of cave
to a gated tourist attraction with an artificial entrance tunnel. In the
early days we had to follow a burro trail across the thorn infested desert
to get there; today there's a road that more closely resembles the main
runway of an international airport. Cavers have helped with some of the
intermediate steps of the progress and enhanced goodwill with those
responsible for the welfare of the cave. But otherwise US cavers (with a
couple of notable exceptions) have been of little importance in the overall
development of the cave, including the cleanup and restoration work done by
the TSA Projects held there in the last few years of the '90s. Their
commercialization efforts would have gone on without us. We were just an
adjunct to everything else. It is my general opinion that the situation and
development at Gruta del Palmito would have taken place pretty much
exactly the way it did if cavers would never had lifted a hand otherwise.
We have not been betrayed despite our efforts in Palmito any more than
cavers have been betrayed by the commercialization of, say, Caverns of
Sonora. A few Texans served with technical advice but the overall scheme
of things was basically a local effort. Cavers can still get off-trail
access through prior arrangement.
--Ediger
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Louise Power
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Mimi,
I remember one of my first trips down there. I think Orion was the trip
leader, but I'm not sure who else was there. We had just started down from
the entrance on the breakdown slope when way off in the distance we kept
hearing somebody calling Luz, Luz. So we all shown our lights downhill
toward the cries and saw 3 or 4 of the local guys crawling around down
below with no light trying to figure their way out. I can't remember how
long they said they'd been in the dark, but it had been quite awhile (or
maybe it just seemed that way). We loaned them a couple of our extra
flashlights and they trotted off toward the entrance.
Good practical reinforcement of one of the first rules of caving for me
for me on one of my first big cave trips--never go without 3 independent
sources of light.
Of course, mine didn't have the lasting exitement yours did.
Louise
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40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on
my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination -
Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never
stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that
trip, either.
Time flies when you're having fun:)
Mimi Jasek
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RE: [Texascavers] Remembering
Mimi, I remember one of my first trips down there. I think Orion was the trip leader, but I'm not sure who else was there. We had just started down from the entrance on the breakdown slope when way off in the distance we kept hearing somebody calling Luz, Luz. So we all shown our lights downhill toward the cries and saw 3 or 4 of the local guys crawling around down below with no light trying to figure their way out. I can't remember how long they said they'd been in the dark, but it had been quite awhile (or maybe it just seemed that way). We loaned them a couple of our extra flashlights and they trotted off toward the entrance. Good practical reinforcement of one of the first rules of caving for me for me on one of my first big cave trips--never go without 3 independent sources of light. Of course, mine didn't have the lasting exitement yours did. Louise From: mjca...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 00:32:46 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Remembering 40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination - Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that trip, either. Time flies when you're having fun:) Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Gruta del Palmito (Bustamante) was my first wild cave. It was a mind-altering experience. I have watched the situation concerning the cave go through many changes over the years. It has been a very jerky Mexican-type natural progression from a totally wild, ask nobody for permission, do whatever you want wherever you want to do it, sort of cave to a gated tourist attraction with an artificial entrance tunnel. In the early days we had to follow a burro trail across the thorn infested desert to get there; today there's a road that more closely resembles the main runway of an international airport. Cavers have helped with some of the intermediate steps of the progress and enhanced goodwill with those responsible for the welfare of the cave. But otherwise US cavers (with a couple of notable exceptions) have been of little importance in the overall development of the cave, including the cleanup and restoration work done by the TSA Projects held there in the last few years of the '90s. Their commercialization efforts would have gone on without us. We were just an adjunct to everything else. It is my general opinion that the situation and development at Gruta del Palmito would have taken place pretty much exactly the way it did if cavers would never had lifted a hand otherwise. We have not been betrayed despite our efforts in Palmito any more than cavers have been betrayed by the commercialization of, say, Caverns of Sonora. A few Texans served with technical advice but the overall scheme of things was basically a local effort. Cavers can still get off-trail access through prior arrangement. --Ediger On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.comwrote: Mimi, I remember one of my first trips down there. I think Orion was the trip leader, but I'm not sure who else was there. We had just started down from the entrance on the breakdown slope when way off in the distance we kept hearing somebody calling Luz, Luz. So we all shown our lights downhill toward the cries and saw 3 or 4 of the local guys crawling around down below with no light trying to figure their way out. I can't remember how long they said they'd been in the dark, but it had been quite awhile (or maybe it just seemed that way). We loaned them a couple of our extra flashlights and they trotted off toward the entrance. Good practical reinforcement of one of the first rules of caving for me for me on one of my first big cave trips--never go without 3 independent sources of light. Of course, mine didn't have the lasting exitement yours did. Louise From: mjca...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 00:32:46 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Remembering 40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination - Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that trip, either. Time flies when you're having fun:) Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Remembering
Amen brother Gill
El martes, 18 de junio de 2013, Gill Edigar escribió:
Gruta del Palmito (Bustamante) was my first wild cave. It was a
mind-altering experience. I have watched the situation concerning the cave
go through many changes over the years. It has been a very jerky
Mexican-type natural progression from a totally wild, ask nobody for
permission, do whatever you want wherever you want to do it, sort of cave
to a gated tourist attraction with an artificial entrance tunnel. In the
early days we had to follow a burro trail across the thorn infested desert
to get there; today there's a road that more closely resembles the main
runway of an international airport. Cavers have helped with some of the
intermediate steps of the progress and enhanced goodwill with those
responsible for the welfare of the cave. But otherwise US cavers (with a
couple of notable exceptions) have been of little importance in the overall
development of the cave, including the cleanup and restoration work done by
the TSA Projects held there in the last few years of the '90s. Their
commercialization efforts would have gone on without us. We were just an
adjunct to everything else. It is my general opinion that the situation and
development at Gruta del Palmito would have taken place pretty much
exactly the way it did if cavers would never had lifted a hand otherwise.
We have not been betrayed despite our efforts in Palmito any more than
cavers have been betrayed by the commercialization of, say, Caverns of
Sonora. A few Texans served with technical advice but the overall scheme
of things was basically a local effort. Cavers can still get off-trail
access through prior arrangement.
--Ediger
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Louise Power
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'power_lou...@hotmail.com');
wrote:
Mimi,
I remember one of my first trips down there. I think Orion was the trip
leader, but I'm not sure who else was there. We had just started down from
the entrance on the breakdown slope when way off in the distance we kept
hearing somebody calling Luz, Luz. So we all shown our lights downhill
toward the cries and saw 3 or 4 of the local guys crawling around down
below with no light trying to figure their way out. I can't remember how
long they said they'd been in the dark, but it had been quite awhile (or
maybe it just seemed that way). We loaned them a couple of our extra
flashlights and they trotted off toward the entrance.
Good practical reinforcement of one of the first rules of caving for me
for me on one of my first big cave trips--never go without 3 independent
sources of light.
Of course, mine didn't have the lasting exitement yours did.
Louise
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40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on
my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination -
Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never
stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that
trip, either.
Time flies when you're having fun:)
Mimi Jasek
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Nice timing on this thread so close to Father's Day.
My first cave was Gruta del Palmito as well. My dad took me when I was 6
years old ('67).
I remember a long walk up the mountain, there was talk about mastodon
bones I was disappointed in not finding and what I thought was the
coolest thing ever - crawling over and under all that breakdown slope.
Reminds me I need to get my own kids back under ground soon.
Probably a good idea to call dad and thank him specifically for that trip.
-Robert
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40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building
on my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip.
Destination - Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that
trip, and have never stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think
anyone ever wrote up that trip, either.
Time flies when you're having fun:)
Mimi Jasek
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RE: [Texascavers] Remembering
Mimi, I remember one of my first trips down there. I think Orion was the trip leader, but I'm not sure who else was there. We had just started down from the entrance on the breakdown slope when way off in the distance we kept hearing somebody calling Luz, Luz. So we all shown our lights downhill toward the cries and saw 3 or 4 of the local guys crawling around down below with no light trying to figure their way out. I can't remember how long they said they'd been in the dark, but it had been quite awhile (or maybe it just seemed that way). We loaned them a couple of our extra flashlights and they trotted off toward the entrance. Good practical reinforcement of one of the first rules of caving for me for me on one of my first big cave trips--never go without 3 independent sources of light. Of course, mine didn't have the lasting exitement yours did. Louise From: mjca...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 00:32:46 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Remembering 40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination - Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that trip, either. Time flies when you're having fun:) Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Gruta del Palmito (Bustamante) was my first wild cave. It was a mind-altering experience. I have watched the situation concerning the cave go through many changes over the years. It has been a very jerky Mexican-type natural progression from a totally wild, ask nobody for permission, do whatever you want wherever you want to do it, sort of cave to a gated tourist attraction with an artificial entrance tunnel. In the early days we had to follow a burro trail across the thorn infested desert to get there; today there's a road that more closely resembles the main runway of an international airport. Cavers have helped with some of the intermediate steps of the progress and enhanced goodwill with those responsible for the welfare of the cave. But otherwise US cavers (with a couple of notable exceptions) have been of little importance in the overall development of the cave, including the cleanup and restoration work done by the TSA Projects held there in the last few years of the '90s. Their commercialization efforts would have gone on without us. We were just an adjunct to everything else. It is my general opinion that the situation and development at Gruta del Palmito would have taken place pretty much exactly the way it did if cavers would never had lifted a hand otherwise. We have not been betrayed despite our efforts in Palmito any more than cavers have been betrayed by the commercialization of, say, Caverns of Sonora. A few Texans served with technical advice but the overall scheme of things was basically a local effort. Cavers can still get off-trail access through prior arrangement. --Ediger On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.comwrote: Mimi, I remember one of my first trips down there. I think Orion was the trip leader, but I'm not sure who else was there. We had just started down from the entrance on the breakdown slope when way off in the distance we kept hearing somebody calling Luz, Luz. So we all shown our lights downhill toward the cries and saw 3 or 4 of the local guys crawling around down below with no light trying to figure their way out. I can't remember how long they said they'd been in the dark, but it had been quite awhile (or maybe it just seemed that way). We loaned them a couple of our extra flashlights and they trotted off toward the entrance. Good practical reinforcement of one of the first rules of caving for me for me on one of my first big cave trips--never go without 3 independent sources of light. Of course, mine didn't have the lasting exitement yours did. Louise From: mjca...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 00:32:46 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Remembering 40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination - Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that trip, either. Time flies when you're having fun:) Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Amen brother Gill
El martes, 18 de junio de 2013, Gill Edigar escribió:
Gruta del Palmito (Bustamante) was my first wild cave. It was a
mind-altering experience. I have watched the situation concerning the cave
go through many changes over the years. It has been a very jerky
Mexican-type natural progression from a totally wild, ask nobody for
permission, do whatever you want wherever you want to do it, sort of cave
to a gated tourist attraction with an artificial entrance tunnel. In the
early days we had to follow a burro trail across the thorn infested desert
to get there; today there's a road that more closely resembles the main
runway of an international airport. Cavers have helped with some of the
intermediate steps of the progress and enhanced goodwill with those
responsible for the welfare of the cave. But otherwise US cavers (with a
couple of notable exceptions) have been of little importance in the overall
development of the cave, including the cleanup and restoration work done by
the TSA Projects held there in the last few years of the '90s. Their
commercialization efforts would have gone on without us. We were just an
adjunct to everything else. It is my general opinion that the situation and
development at Gruta del Palmito would have taken place pretty much
exactly the way it did if cavers would never had lifted a hand otherwise.
We have not been betrayed despite our efforts in Palmito any more than
cavers have been betrayed by the commercialization of, say, Caverns of
Sonora. A few Texans served with technical advice but the overall scheme
of things was basically a local effort. Cavers can still get off-trail
access through prior arrangement.
--Ediger
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Mimi,
I remember one of my first trips down there. I think Orion was the trip
leader, but I'm not sure who else was there. We had just started down from
the entrance on the breakdown slope when way off in the distance we kept
hearing somebody calling Luz, Luz. So we all shown our lights downhill
toward the cries and saw 3 or 4 of the local guys crawling around down
below with no light trying to figure their way out. I can't remember how
long they said they'd been in the dark, but it had been quite awhile (or
maybe it just seemed that way). We loaned them a couple of our extra
flashlights and they trotted off toward the entrance.
Good practical reinforcement of one of the first rules of caving for me
for me on one of my first big cave trips--never go without 3 independent
sources of light.
Of course, mine didn't have the lasting exitement yours did.
Louise
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40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on
my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination -
Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never
stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that
trip, either.
Time flies when you're having fun:)
Mimi Jasek
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Nice timing on this thread so close to Father's Day.
My first cave was Gruta del Palmito as well. My dad took me when I was 6
years old ('67).
I remember a long walk up the mountain, there was talk about mastodon
bones I was disappointed in not finding and what I thought was the
coolest thing ever - crawling over and under all that breakdown slope.
Reminds me I need to get my own kids back under ground soon.
Probably a good idea to call dad and thank him specifically for that trip.
-Robert
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40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building
on my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip.
Destination - Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that
trip, and have never stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think
anyone ever wrote up that trip, either.
Time flies when you're having fun:)
Mimi Jasek
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So Mimi, Which anniversary do you celebrate, the official one or the real one? Congrats. Louise From: mjca...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 00:32:46 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Remembering 40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination - Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that trip, either. Time flies when you're having fun:) Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Thanks, Louise:) I'm one of those girls who has all kinds of special dates on my calendar, but that day probably tops them all. That trip changed my life, it's direction, and gave me my best friend for life. Took me into a world I did not know existed, asked of and gave more to me than anything I could have imagined, brought me in touch with a lot of amazing people, and the trip has yet to end! How can one not celebrate that? Mimi Sent from my iPhone On Jun 17, 2013, at 9:47 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: So Mimi, Which anniversary do you celebrate, the official one or the real one? Congrats. Louise From: mjca...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 00:32:46 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Remembering 40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination - Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that trip, either. Time flies when you're having fun:) Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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So Mimi, Which anniversary do you celebrate, the official one or the real one? Congrats. Louise From: mjca...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 00:32:46 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Remembering 40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination - Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that trip, either. Time flies when you're having fun:) Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Thanks, Louise:) I'm one of those girls who has all kinds of special dates on my calendar, but that day probably tops them all. That trip changed my life, it's direction, and gave me my best friend for life. Took me into a world I did not know existed, asked of and gave more to me than anything I could have imagined, brought me in touch with a lot of amazing people, and the trip has yet to end! How can one not celebrate that? Mimi Sent from my iPhone On Jun 17, 2013, at 9:47 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: So Mimi, Which anniversary do you celebrate, the official one or the real one? Congrats. Louise From: mjca...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 00:32:46 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Remembering 40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination - Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that trip, either. Time flies when you're having fun:) Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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So Mimi, Which anniversary do you celebrate, the official one or the real one? Congrats. Louise From: mjca...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 00:32:46 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Remembering 40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination - Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that trip, either. Time flies when you're having fun:) Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Thanks, Louise:) I'm one of those girls who has all kinds of special dates on my calendar, but that day probably tops them all. That trip changed my life, it's direction, and gave me my best friend for life. Took me into a world I did not know existed, asked of and gave more to me than anything I could have imagined, brought me in touch with a lot of amazing people, and the trip has yet to end! How can one not celebrate that? Mimi Sent from my iPhone On Jun 17, 2013, at 9:47 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: So Mimi, Which anniversary do you celebrate, the official one or the real one? Congrats. Louise From: mjca...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 00:32:46 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Remembering 40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination - Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that trip, either. Time flies when you're having fun:) Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Nice thing to share, Mimi! Good memories. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2013, at 12:32 AM, Mimi Jasek mjca...@gmail.com wrote: 40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination - Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that trip, either. Time flies when you're having fun:) Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Some of the best, and the great thing is - we're still making them:) Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2013, at 11:27 AM, Roger Moore cavera...@aol.com wrote: Nice thing to share, Mimi! Good memories. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2013, at 12:32 AM, Mimi Jasek mjca...@gmail.com wrote: 40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination - Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that trip, either. Time flies when you're having fun:) Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Nice thing to share, Mimi! Good memories. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2013, at 12:32 AM, Mimi Jasek mjca...@gmail.com wrote: 40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination - Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that trip, either. Time flies when you're having fun:) Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Some of the best, and the great thing is - we're still making them:) Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2013, at 11:27 AM, Roger Moore cavera...@aol.com wrote: Nice thing to share, Mimi! Good memories. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2013, at 12:32 AM, Mimi Jasek mjca...@gmail.com wrote: 40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination - Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that trip, either. Time flies when you're having fun:) Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Nice thing to share, Mimi! Good memories. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2013, at 12:32 AM, Mimi Jasek mjca...@gmail.com wrote: 40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination - Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that trip, either. Time flies when you're having fun:) Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Some of the best, and the great thing is - we're still making them:) Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2013, at 11:27 AM, Roger Moore cavera...@aol.com wrote: Nice thing to share, Mimi! Good memories. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2013, at 12:32 AM, Mimi Jasek mjca...@gmail.com wrote: 40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination - Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that trip, either. Time flies when you're having fun:) Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
