Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[S S]

I guess we could wonder wether this gun is a six shooter or an eight shot all day.But just remember, Russian roulette is 100% safe, unless the gun goes off.   Now I haven't really seen anyone actually blow their brains out all over, but in this case I'm willing to accept that its probably not a great idea to find out first hand.   I think an appropriate analogy in this case would be the old saying "You can get a good look at a T-bone by sticking your head up a bulls ass, but I'd rather just take the butchers word for it. '"SS-- Sent from my HP TouchPadOn Jul 7, 2012 7:24 AM, freddie poer  wrote: It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have noticed is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there, and visa versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much of it is true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has witnessed any of it firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in scaring off American tourists including what I formerly considered brave American cavers.--- On Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill  wrote:
From: Mixon Bill Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug warsTo: "Cavers Texas" Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM
For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long article in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press reports that the Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From the article:"In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a "historic bust," in Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value of that much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. If true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it true?..."I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the "historic" meth-lab raid in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of drugs. Were the drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more experts I consulted, the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth was pure. Then was it really fifteen tons of "pure meth," as widely reported? Well, no. There had
 been some confusion. There were precursor chemicals. A lot of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the spokesman for the federal presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho, finally said, "Yes, five kilos." Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been methamphetamine ready for packing, according to the Army. But it was not "finished product," and there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., where meth is often sold by the gram, that amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars. So the reported value had been inflated by a factor of eight thousand?"I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.--MixonI'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, "The things your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to
 me how everything works." That's when I wake up.You may "reply" to the address this messagecame from, but for long-term use, save:Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.eduAMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org-Visit our website: http://texascavers.comTo unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.comFor additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com

Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[S S]

I guess we could wonder wether this gun is a six shooter or an eight shot all day.But just remember, Russian roulette is 100% safe, unless the gun goes off.   Now I haven't really seen anyone actually blow their brains out all over, but in this case I'm willing to accept that its probably not a great idea to find out first hand.   I think an appropriate analogy in this case would be the old saying "You can get a good look at a T-bone by sticking your head up a bulls ass, but I'd rather just take the butchers word for it. '"SS-- Sent from my HP TouchPadOn Jul 7, 2012 7:24 AM, freddie poer  wrote: It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have noticed is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there, and visa versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much of it is true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has witnessed any of it firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in scaring off American tourists including what I formerly considered brave American cavers.--- On Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill  wrote:
From: Mixon Bill Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug warsTo: "Cavers Texas" Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM
For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long article in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press reports that the Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From the article:"In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a "historic bust," in Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value of that much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. If true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it true?..."I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the "historic" meth-lab raid in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of drugs. Were the drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more experts I consulted, the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth was pure. Then was it really fifteen tons of "pure meth," as widely reported? Well, no. There had
 been some confusion. There were precursor chemicals. A lot of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the spokesman for the federal presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho, finally said, "Yes, five kilos." Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been methamphetamine ready for packing, according to the Army. But it was not "finished product," and there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., where meth is often sold by the gram, that amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars. So the reported value had been inflated by a factor of eight thousand?"I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.--MixonI'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, "The things your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to
 me how everything works." That's when I wake up.You may "reply" to the address this messagecame from, but for long-term use, save:Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.eduAMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org-Visit our website: http://texascavers.comTo unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.comFor additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com

Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[S S]

I guess we could wonder wether this gun is a six shooter or an eight shot all day.But just remember, Russian roulette is 100% safe, unless the gun goes off.   Now I haven't really seen anyone actually blow their brains out all over, but in this case I'm willing to accept that its probably not a great idea to find out first hand.   I think an appropriate analogy in this case would be the old saying "You can get a good look at a T-bone by sticking your head up a bulls ass, but I'd rather just take the butchers word for it. '"SS-- Sent from my HP TouchPadOn Jul 7, 2012 7:24 AM, freddie poer  wrote: It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have noticed is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there, and visa versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much of it is true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has witnessed any of it firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in scaring off American tourists including what I formerly considered brave American cavers.--- On Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill  wrote:
From: Mixon Bill Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug warsTo: "Cavers Texas" Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM
For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long article in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press reports that the Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From the article:"In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a "historic bust," in Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value of that much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. If true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it true?..."I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the "historic" meth-lab raid in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of drugs. Were the drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more experts I consulted, the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth was pure. Then was it really fifteen tons of "pure meth," as widely reported? Well, no. There had
 been some confusion. There were precursor chemicals. A lot of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the spokesman for the federal presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho, finally said, "Yes, five kilos." Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been methamphetamine ready for packing, according to the Army. But it was not "finished product," and there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., where meth is often sold by the gram, that amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars. So the reported value had been inflated by a factor of eight thousand?"I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.--MixonI'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, "The things your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to
 me how everything works." That's when I wake up.You may "reply" to the address this messagecame from, but for long-term use, save:Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.eduAMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org-Visit our website: http://texascavers.comTo unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.comFor additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com

Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[Lyndon Tiu]

US English language mainstream news media do not report much about Mexico.

But US Spanish language channels do. Watch them, a dozen or so are
available over the air.

Oh, these channels are in Spanish BTW.

On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 9:01 AM, tom rogers wrote:

>  We're being "protected" from the truth. The news won't tell us what is
> really happening. I have relatives  who live in Europe. They know more
> about what's going on in Mexico than most Americans do. Tom Rogers
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: freddie poer
> Sent: 7 Jul 2012 12:25:02 GMT
> To: Mixon Bill
> Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
>
>It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have
> noticed is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there,
> and visa versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much
> of it is true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has
> witnessed any of it firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in
> scaring off American tourists including what I formerly considered brave
> American cavers.
>
> --- On *Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill * wrote:
>
>
> From: Mixon Bill 
> Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
> To: "Cavers Texas" 
> Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM
>
> For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long
> article in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press
> reports that the Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From
> the article:
>
> "In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a "historic bust,"
> in Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value
> of that much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars.
> If true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it
> true?...
>
> "I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the "historic" meth-lab
> raid in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of
> drugs. Were the drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more
> experts I consulted, the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if
> the meth was pure. Then was it really fifteen tons of "pure meth," as
> widely reported? Well, no. There had been some confusion. There were
> precursor chemicals. A lot of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was
> eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the
> record, but the spokesman for the federal presecutor's office in
> Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho, finally said, "Yes,
> five kilos." Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been methamphetamine ready
> for packing, according to the Army. But it was not "finished product," and
> there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., where meth is often
> sold by the gram, that amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars.
> So the reported value had been inflated by a factor of eight thousand?"
>
> I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.
> --Mixon
> 
> I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, "The things
> your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how
> everything works." That's when I wake up.
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[Lyndon Tiu]

US English language mainstream news media do not report much about Mexico.

But US Spanish language channels do. Watch them, a dozen or so are
available over the air.

Oh, these channels are in Spanish BTW.

On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 9:01 AM, tom rogers wrote:

>  We're being "protected" from the truth. The news won't tell us what is
> really happening. I have relatives  who live in Europe. They know more
> about what's going on in Mexico than most Americans do. Tom Rogers
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: freddie poer
> Sent: 7 Jul 2012 12:25:02 GMT
> To: Mixon Bill
> Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
>
>It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have
> noticed is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there,
> and visa versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much
> of it is true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has
> witnessed any of it firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in
> scaring off American tourists including what I formerly considered brave
> American cavers.
>
> --- On *Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill * wrote:
>
>
> From: Mixon Bill 
> Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
> To: "Cavers Texas" 
> Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM
>
> For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long
> article in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press
> reports that the Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From
> the article:
>
> "In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a "historic bust,"
> in Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value
> of that much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars.
> If true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it
> true?...
>
> "I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the "historic" meth-lab
> raid in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of
> drugs. Were the drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more
> experts I consulted, the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if
> the meth was pure. Then was it really fifteen tons of "pure meth," as
> widely reported? Well, no. There had been some confusion. There were
> precursor chemicals. A lot of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was
> eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the
> record, but the spokesman for the federal presecutor's office in
> Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho, finally said, "Yes,
> five kilos." Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been methamphetamine ready
> for packing, according to the Army. But it was not "finished product," and
> there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., where meth is often
> sold by the gram, that amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars.
> So the reported value had been inflated by a factor of eight thousand?"
>
> I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.
> --Mixon
> 
> I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, "The things
> your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how
> everything works." That's when I wake up.
> 
> You may "reply" to the address this message
> came from, but for long-term use, save:
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Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[Lyndon Tiu]

US English language mainstream news media do not report much about Mexico.

But US Spanish language channels do. Watch them, a dozen or so are
available over the air.

Oh, these channels are in Spanish BTW.

On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 9:01 AM, tom rogers wrote:

>  We're being "protected" from the truth. The news won't tell us what is
> really happening. I have relatives  who live in Europe. They know more
> about what's going on in Mexico than most Americans do. Tom Rogers
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: freddie poer
> Sent: 7 Jul 2012 12:25:02 GMT
> To: Mixon Bill
> Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
>
>It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have
> noticed is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there,
> and visa versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much
> of it is true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has
> witnessed any of it firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in
> scaring off American tourists including what I formerly considered brave
> American cavers.
>
> --- On *Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill * wrote:
>
>
> From: Mixon Bill 
> Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
> To: "Cavers Texas" 
> Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM
>
> For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long
> article in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press
> reports that the Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From
> the article:
>
> "In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a "historic bust,"
> in Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value
> of that much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars.
> If true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it
> true?...
>
> "I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the "historic" meth-lab
> raid in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of
> drugs. Were the drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more
> experts I consulted, the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if
> the meth was pure. Then was it really fifteen tons of "pure meth," as
> widely reported? Well, no. There had been some confusion. There were
> precursor chemicals. A lot of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was
> eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the
> record, but the spokesman for the federal presecutor's office in
> Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho, finally said, "Yes,
> five kilos." Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been methamphetamine ready
> for packing, according to the Army. But it was not "finished product," and
> there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., where meth is often
> sold by the gram, that amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars.
> So the reported value had been inflated by a factor of eight thousand?"
>
> I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.
> --Mixon
> 
> I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, "The things
> your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how
> everything works." That's when I wake up.
> 
> You may "reply" to the address this message
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Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[tom rogers]

We're being "protected" from the truth. The news won't tell us what is really 
happening. I have relatives  who live in Europe. They know more about what's 
going on in Mexico than most Americans do. Tom Rogers

-Original Message-

From: freddie poer
Sent: 7 Jul 2012 12:25:02 GMT
To: Mixon Bill
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have noticed 
is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there, and visa 
versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much of it is 
true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has witnessed any of it 
firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in scaring off American 
tourists including what I formerly considered brave American cavers.

--- On Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill  wrote:


From: Mixon Bill 
Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
To: "Cavers Texas" 
Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM


For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long article 
in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press reports that the 
Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From the article:

"In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a "historic bust," in 
Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value of that 
much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. If true, that 
would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it true?...

"I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the "historic" meth-lab raid in 
Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of drugs. Were the 
drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more experts I consulted, 
the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth was pure. Then 
was it really fifteen tons of "pure meth," as widely reported? Well, no. There 
had been some confusion. There were precursor chemicals. A lot of 
equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven 
pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the spokesman for the federal 
presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho, 
finally said, "Yes, five kilos." Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been 
methamphetamine ready for packing, according to the Army. But it was not 
"finished product," and there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., 
where meth is often sold by the gram, that
 amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars. So the reported value had 
been inflated by a factor of eight thousand?"

I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.
--Mixon

I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, "The things your 
science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how everything 
works." That's when I wake up.

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Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[tom rogers]

We're being "protected" from the truth. The news won't tell us what is really 
happening. I have relatives  who live in Europe. They know more about what's 
going on in Mexico than most Americans do. Tom Rogers

-Original Message-

From: freddie poer
Sent: 7 Jul 2012 12:25:02 GMT
To: Mixon Bill
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have noticed 
is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there, and visa 
versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much of it is 
true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has witnessed any of it 
firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in scaring off American 
tourists including what I formerly considered brave American cavers.

--- On Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill  wrote:


From: Mixon Bill 
Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
To: "Cavers Texas" 
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM


For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long article 
in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press reports that the 
Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From the article:

"In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a "historic bust," in 
Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value of that 
much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. If true, that 
would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it true?...

"I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the "historic" meth-lab raid in 
Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of drugs. Were the 
drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more experts I consulted, 
the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth was pure. Then 
was it really fifteen tons of "pure meth," as widely reported? Well, no. There 
had been some confusion. There were precursor chemicals. A lot of 
equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven 
pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the spokesman for the federal 
presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho, 
finally said, "Yes, five kilos." Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been 
methamphetamine ready for packing, according to the Army. But it was not 
"finished product," and there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., 
where meth is often sold by the gram, that
 amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars. So the reported value had 
been inflated by a factor of eight thousand?"

I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.
--Mixon

I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, "The things your 
science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how everything 
works." That's when I wake up.

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Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[tom rogers]

We're being "protected" from the truth. The news won't tell us what is really 
happening. I have relatives  who live in Europe. They know more about what's 
going on in Mexico than most Americans do. Tom Rogers

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From: freddie poer
Sent: 7 Jul 2012 12:25:02 GMT
To: Mixon Bill
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have noticed 
is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there, and visa 
versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much of it is 
true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has witnessed any of it 
firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in scaring off American 
tourists including what I formerly considered brave American cavers.

--- On Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill  wrote:


From: Mixon Bill 
Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
To: "Cavers Texas" 
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM


For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long article 
in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press reports that the 
Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From the article:

"In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a "historic bust," in 
Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value of that 
much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. If true, that 
would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it true?...

"I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the "historic" meth-lab raid in 
Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of drugs. Were the 
drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more experts I consulted, 
the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth was pure. Then 
was it really fifteen tons of "pure meth," as widely reported? Well, no. There 
had been some confusion. There were precursor chemicals. A lot of 
equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven 
pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the spokesman for the federal 
presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho, 
finally said, "Yes, five kilos." Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been 
methamphetamine ready for packing, according to the Army. But it was not 
"finished product," and there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., 
where meth is often sold by the gram, that
 amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars. So the reported value had 
been inflated by a factor of eight thousand?"

I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.
--Mixon

I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, "The things your 
science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how everything 
works." That's when I wake up.

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Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[Ted Samsel]

Y'all should read Charles Bowden.  a former running buddy of Ed Abbey.
Scary stuff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Bowden

And see the flick  MISS BALA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Bala

I can walk to a curandera/botanica in 10 minutes from where I live in KCMO
and get sanctified oil from the patron Saint of the Sinaloa
Narcotraficantes, Jesus Malverde. My friends here in KC from Sinaloa,
Nayarit, Jalisco, and Michoacan say this is seriously bad juju.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malverde

There's some great banda music available with this. None of that pinche
reggaeton, which is favored by los chilangos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2kcyvrKj9Y&feature=related

On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 8:38 AM,  wrote:

> **
> I just finished an excellent book on the sad situation in Mexico and I
> recommend it. *El Narco: Inside Mexico's Criminal Insurgency*, by Ioan
> Grillo. The dusk jacket says "Ioan Grillo has reported on Latin America
> since 2001 for international media, including Time magazine, CNN, the
> Associated Press, PBS NewsHour, the Houston Chronicle, CBC, and the Sunday
> Telegraph. He has covered military operations, mafia killings, and cocaine
> seizures, and has discussed the drug war with two Mexican presidents, three
> attorneys general, and the U.S. ambassador. A native of England, he lives
> in Mexico City. El Narco is his first book."
>
> Grillo also got out there on the streets, barrios, and prisons and talked
> to the criminals themselves. There are areas of Mexico where most cavers
> are not going these days. I have projects in Tamaulipas and Guerrero which
> are on indefinite hold. I got scared off by things that really happened,
> witnessed firsthand by me.
>
> Bill Steele
>
>  In a message dated 7/7/2012 7:25:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> freddiepoe...@yahoo.com writes:
>
>   It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have
> noticed is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there,
> and visa versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much
> of it is true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has
> witnessed any of it firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in
> scaring off American tourists including what I formerly considered brave
> American cavers.
>
> --- On *Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill * wrote:
>
>
> From: Mixon Bill 
> Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
> To: "Cavers Texas" 
> Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM
>
> For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long
> article in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press
> reports that the Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From
> the article:
>
> "In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a "historic bust,"
> in Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value
> of that much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars.
> If true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it
> true?...
>
> "I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the "historic" meth-lab
> raid in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of
> drugs. Were the drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more
> experts I consulted, the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if
> the meth was pure. Then was it really fifteen tons of "pure meth," as
> widely reported? Well, no. There had been some confusion. There were
> precursor chemicals. A lot of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was
> eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the
> record, but the spokesman for the federal presecutor's office in
> Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho, finally said, "Yes,
> five kilos." Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been methamphetamine ready
> for packing, according to the Army. But it was not "finished product," and
> there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., where meth is often
> sold by the gram, that amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars.
> So the reported value had been inflated by a factor of eight thousand?"
>
> I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.
> --Mixon
> 
> I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, "The things
> your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how
> everything works." That's when I wake up.
> 
> You may "reply" to the address this message
> came from, but for long-term use, save:
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Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[Ted Samsel]

Y'all should read Charles Bowden.  a former running buddy of Ed Abbey.
Scary stuff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Bowden

And see the flick  MISS BALA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Bala

I can walk to a curandera/botanica in 10 minutes from where I live in KCMO
and get sanctified oil from the patron Saint of the Sinaloa
Narcotraficantes, Jesus Malverde. My friends here in KC from Sinaloa,
Nayarit, Jalisco, and Michoacan say this is seriously bad juju.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malverde

There's some great banda music available with this. None of that pinche
reggaeton, which is favored by los chilangos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2kcyvrKj9Y&feature=related

On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 8:38 AM,  wrote:

> **
> I just finished an excellent book on the sad situation in Mexico and I
> recommend it. *El Narco: Inside Mexico's Criminal Insurgency*, by Ioan
> Grillo. The dusk jacket says "Ioan Grillo has reported on Latin America
> since 2001 for international media, including Time magazine, CNN, the
> Associated Press, PBS NewsHour, the Houston Chronicle, CBC, and the Sunday
> Telegraph. He has covered military operations, mafia killings, and cocaine
> seizures, and has discussed the drug war with two Mexican presidents, three
> attorneys general, and the U.S. ambassador. A native of England, he lives
> in Mexico City. El Narco is his first book."
>
> Grillo also got out there on the streets, barrios, and prisons and talked
> to the criminals themselves. There are areas of Mexico where most cavers
> are not going these days. I have projects in Tamaulipas and Guerrero which
> are on indefinite hold. I got scared off by things that really happened,
> witnessed firsthand by me.
>
> Bill Steele
>
>  In a message dated 7/7/2012 7:25:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> freddiepoe...@yahoo.com writes:
>
>   It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have
> noticed is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there,
> and visa versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much
> of it is true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has
> witnessed any of it firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in
> scaring off American tourists including what I formerly considered brave
> American cavers.
>
> --- On *Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill * wrote:
>
>
> From: Mixon Bill 
> Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
> To: "Cavers Texas" 
> Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM
>
> For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long
> article in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press
> reports that the Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From
> the article:
>
> "In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a "historic bust,"
> in Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value
> of that much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars.
> If true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it
> true?...
>
> "I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the "historic" meth-lab
> raid in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of
> drugs. Were the drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more
> experts I consulted, the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if
> the meth was pure. Then was it really fifteen tons of "pure meth," as
> widely reported? Well, no. There had been some confusion. There were
> precursor chemicals. A lot of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was
> eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the
> record, but the spokesman for the federal presecutor's office in
> Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho, finally said, "Yes,
> five kilos." Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been methamphetamine ready
> for packing, according to the Army. But it was not "finished product," and
> there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., where meth is often
> sold by the gram, that amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars.
> So the reported value had been inflated by a factor of eight thousand?"
>
> I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.
> --Mixon
> 
> I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, "The things
> your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how
> everything works." That's when I wake up.
> 
> You may "reply" to the address this message
> came from, but for long-term use, save:
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>
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> Visit our website

Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[Ted Samsel]

Y'all should read Charles Bowden.  a former running buddy of Ed Abbey.
Scary stuff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Bowden

And see the flick  MISS BALA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Bala

I can walk to a curandera/botanica in 10 minutes from where I live in KCMO
and get sanctified oil from the patron Saint of the Sinaloa
Narcotraficantes, Jesus Malverde. My friends here in KC from Sinaloa,
Nayarit, Jalisco, and Michoacan say this is seriously bad juju.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malverde

There's some great banda music available with this. None of that pinche
reggaeton, which is favored by los chilangos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2kcyvrKj9Y&feature=related

On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 8:38 AM,  wrote:

> **
> I just finished an excellent book on the sad situation in Mexico and I
> recommend it. *El Narco: Inside Mexico's Criminal Insurgency*, by Ioan
> Grillo. The dusk jacket says "Ioan Grillo has reported on Latin America
> since 2001 for international media, including Time magazine, CNN, the
> Associated Press, PBS NewsHour, the Houston Chronicle, CBC, and the Sunday
> Telegraph. He has covered military operations, mafia killings, and cocaine
> seizures, and has discussed the drug war with two Mexican presidents, three
> attorneys general, and the U.S. ambassador. A native of England, he lives
> in Mexico City. El Narco is his first book."
>
> Grillo also got out there on the streets, barrios, and prisons and talked
> to the criminals themselves. There are areas of Mexico where most cavers
> are not going these days. I have projects in Tamaulipas and Guerrero which
> are on indefinite hold. I got scared off by things that really happened,
> witnessed firsthand by me.
>
> Bill Steele
>
>  In a message dated 7/7/2012 7:25:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> freddiepoe...@yahoo.com writes:
>
>   It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have
> noticed is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there,
> and visa versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much
> of it is true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has
> witnessed any of it firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in
> scaring off American tourists including what I formerly considered brave
> American cavers.
>
> --- On *Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill * wrote:
>
>
> From: Mixon Bill 
> Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
> To: "Cavers Texas" 
> Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM
>
> For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long
> article in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press
> reports that the Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From
> the article:
>
> "In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a "historic bust,"
> in Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value
> of that much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars.
> If true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it
> true?...
>
> "I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the "historic" meth-lab
> raid in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of
> drugs. Were the drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more
> experts I consulted, the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if
> the meth was pure. Then was it really fifteen tons of "pure meth," as
> widely reported? Well, no. There had been some confusion. There were
> precursor chemicals. A lot of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was
> eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the
> record, but the spokesman for the federal presecutor's office in
> Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho, finally said, "Yes,
> five kilos." Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been methamphetamine ready
> for packing, according to the Army. But it was not "finished product," and
> there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., where meth is often
> sold by the gram, that amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars.
> So the reported value had been inflated by a factor of eight thousand?"
>
> I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.
> --Mixon
> 
> I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, "The things
> your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how
> everything works." That's when I wake up.
> 
> You may "reply" to the address this message
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Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[Speleosteele]

I just finished an excellent book on the sad situation in Mexico and I  
recommend it. El Narco: Inside Mexico's Criminal Insurgency, by Ioan  Grillo. 
The dusk jacket says "Ioan Grillo has reported on Latin America since  2001 
for international media, including Time magazine, CNN, the Associated  Press, 
PBS NewsHour, the Houston Chronicle, CBC, and the Sunday Telegraph. He  has 
covered military operations, mafia killings, and cocaine seizures, and has  
discussed the drug war with two Mexican presidents, three attorneys 
general, and  the U.S. ambassador. A native of England, he lives in Mexico 
City. El 
Narco is  his first book."
 
Grillo also got out there on the streets, barrios, and  prisons and talked 
to the criminals themselves. There are areas  of Mexico where most cavers 
are not going these days. I have projects  in Tamaulipas and Guerrero which 
are on indefinite hold. I got scared off  by things that really happened, 
witnessed firsthand by me.  
 
Bill Steele 
 
 
In a message dated 7/7/2012 7:25:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
freddiepoe...@yahoo.com writes:

It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and  what I have 
noticed is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the  news there, and 
visa versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming  from and how much of it 
is true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single  person who has witnessed any 
of it firsthand. Nonetheless it has been  very effective in scaring off 
American tourists including what I  formerly considered brave American cavers.

--- On Fri, 7/6/12,  Mixon Bill  wrote:


From:  Mixon Bill 
Subject: [Texascavers]  Mexican drug wars
To: "Cavers Texas"  
Date: Friday, July 6, 2012,  9:09 PM

For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug  wars, there's a long 
article in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I  recall earlier press reports 
that the Mexican army had seized a  remarkable about of meth. From the 
article:

"In February, the  Army announced that it had seized, in a "historic bust," 
in Tlajomulco  [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value 
of that  much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. 
If  true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it  
true?...

"I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the  "historic" meth-lab 
raid in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our  billion dollars' worth of drugs. 
Were the drugs seized really worth  that much? Well, no. The more experts I 
consulted, the lower the  number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth 
was pure. Then was it  really fifteen tons of "pure meth," as widely 
reported? Well, no.  There had been some confusion. There were precursor 
chemicals. 
A lot  of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of 
pure  meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the  
spokesman for the federal presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young  man 
named 
Ulises Enríquez Camacho, finally said, "Yes, five kilos."  Eleven pounds. 
The fifteen tons had been methamphetamine ready for  packing, according to the 
Army. But it was not "finished product," and  there had been only five 
kilos of crystal. In the U.S., where meth is  often sold by the gram, that 
amount might be worth five hundred  thousand dollars. So the reported value had 
been inflated by a factor  of eight thousand?"

I hope the body count is not off by a  factor of eight  thousand.
--Mixon

I'm  walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, "The things  
your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me  how 
everything works." That's when I wake  up.

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Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[Speleosteele]

I just finished an excellent book on the sad situation in Mexico and I  
recommend it. El Narco: Inside Mexico's Criminal Insurgency, by Ioan  Grillo. 
The dusk jacket says "Ioan Grillo has reported on Latin America since  2001 
for international media, including Time magazine, CNN, the Associated  Press, 
PBS NewsHour, the Houston Chronicle, CBC, and the Sunday Telegraph. He  has 
covered military operations, mafia killings, and cocaine seizures, and has  
discussed the drug war with two Mexican presidents, three attorneys 
general, and  the U.S. ambassador. A native of England, he lives in Mexico 
City. El 
Narco is  his first book."
 
Grillo also got out there on the streets, barrios, and  prisons and talked 
to the criminals themselves. There are areas  of Mexico where most cavers 
are not going these days. I have projects  in Tamaulipas and Guerrero which 
are on indefinite hold. I got scared off  by things that really happened, 
witnessed firsthand by me.  
 
Bill Steele 
 
 
In a message dated 7/7/2012 7:25:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
freddiepoe...@yahoo.com writes:

It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and  what I have 
noticed is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the  news there, and 
visa versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming  from and how much of it 
is true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single  person who has witnessed any 
of it firsthand. Nonetheless it has been  very effective in scaring off 
American tourists including what I  formerly considered brave American cavers.

--- On Fri, 7/6/12,  Mixon Bill  wrote:


From:  Mixon Bill 
Subject: [Texascavers]  Mexican drug wars
To: "Cavers Texas"  
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Friday, July 6, 2012,  9:09 PM

For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug  wars, there's a long 
article in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I  recall earlier press reports 
that the Mexican army had seized a  remarkable about of meth. From the 
article:

"In February, the  Army announced that it had seized, in a "historic bust," 
in Tlajomulco  [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value 
of that  much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. 
If  true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it  
true?...

"I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the  "historic" meth-lab 
raid in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our  billion dollars' worth of drugs. 
Were the drugs seized really worth  that much? Well, no. The more experts I 
consulted, the lower the  number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth 
was pure. Then was it  really fifteen tons of "pure meth," as widely 
reported? Well, no.  There had been some confusion. There were precursor 
chemicals. 
A lot  of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of 
pure  meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the  
spokesman for the federal presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young  man 
named 
Ulises Enríquez Camacho, finally said, "Yes, five kilos."  Eleven pounds. 
The fifteen tons had been methamphetamine ready for  packing, according to the 
Army. But it was not "finished product," and  there had been only five 
kilos of crystal. In the U.S., where meth is  often sold by the gram, that 
amount might be worth five hundred  thousand dollars. So the reported value had 
been inflated by a factor  of eight thousand?"

I hope the body count is not off by a  factor of eight  thousand.
--Mixon

I'm  walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, "The things  
your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me  how 
everything works." That's when I wake  up.

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Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[Speleosteele]

I just finished an excellent book on the sad situation in Mexico and I  
recommend it. El Narco: Inside Mexico's Criminal Insurgency, by Ioan  Grillo. 
The dusk jacket says "Ioan Grillo has reported on Latin America since  2001 
for international media, including Time magazine, CNN, the Associated  Press, 
PBS NewsHour, the Houston Chronicle, CBC, and the Sunday Telegraph. He  has 
covered military operations, mafia killings, and cocaine seizures, and has  
discussed the drug war with two Mexican presidents, three attorneys 
general, and  the U.S. ambassador. A native of England, he lives in Mexico 
City. El 
Narco is  his first book."
 
Grillo also got out there on the streets, barrios, and  prisons and talked 
to the criminals themselves. There are areas  of Mexico where most cavers 
are not going these days. I have projects  in Tamaulipas and Guerrero which 
are on indefinite hold. I got scared off  by things that really happened, 
witnessed firsthand by me.  
 
Bill Steele 
 
 
In a message dated 7/7/2012 7:25:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
freddiepoe...@yahoo.com writes:

It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and  what I have 
noticed is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the  news there, and 
visa versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming  from and how much of it 
is true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single  person who has witnessed any 
of it firsthand. Nonetheless it has been  very effective in scaring off 
American tourists including what I  formerly considered brave American cavers.

--- On Fri, 7/6/12,  Mixon Bill  wrote:


From:  Mixon Bill 
Subject: [Texascavers]  Mexican drug wars
To: "Cavers Texas"  
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Friday, July 6, 2012,  9:09 PM

For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug  wars, there's a long 
article in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I  recall earlier press reports 
that the Mexican army had seized a  remarkable about of meth. From the 
article:

"In February, the  Army announced that it had seized, in a "historic bust," 
in Tlajomulco  [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value 
of that  much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. 
If  true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it  
true?...

"I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the  "historic" meth-lab 
raid in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our  billion dollars' worth of drugs. 
Were the drugs seized really worth  that much? Well, no. The more experts I 
consulted, the lower the  number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth 
was pure. Then was it  really fifteen tons of "pure meth," as widely 
reported? Well, no.  There had been some confusion. There were precursor 
chemicals. 
A lot  of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of 
pure  meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the  
spokesman for the federal presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young  man 
named 
Ulises Enríquez Camacho, finally said, "Yes, five kilos."  Eleven pounds. 
The fifteen tons had been methamphetamine ready for  packing, according to the 
Army. But it was not "finished product," and  there had been only five 
kilos of crystal. In the U.S., where meth is  often sold by the gram, that 
amount might be worth five hundred  thousand dollars. So the reported value had 
been inflated by a factor  of eight thousand?"

I hope the body count is not off by a  factor of eight  thousand.
--Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[Brewskyjba]

For those of us who live by the boarder we know the problem is real. When there 
are bullet holes on this side fired from Mexico and gun battles with the Rio 
Grande in the middle...You believe. Probably 90% of the deaths are involved 
in one way or another. The problem is when one gets caught in the middle, is 
mistaken as being involved or they think that you saw something. 

News reporters that report the facts in Mexico are killed.  Even reporters on 
the US side that live on the boarder are hesitant to really report what is 
going on. Thus mis-information. 

I live on the boarder and still do a lot of business in Mexico and I can assure 
you it is real. I have learned to be very careful and aware of my surroundings. 

For those not over there all of the time the total probability may be low but 
in the right place and not knowing the local situation the probability can be 
quite high. Keep in mind that the growing and manufacturing is in remote areas. 
Hum...Where are the caves?

Bruce











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On Jul 7, 2012, at 7:24 AM, freddie poer  wrote:

> It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have noticed 
> is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there, and visa 
> versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much of it is 
> true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has witnessed any of it 
> firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in scaring off American 
> tourists including what I formerly considered brave American cavers.
> 
> --- On Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill  wrote:
> 
> From: Mixon Bill 
> Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
> To: "Cavers Texas" 
> Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM
> 
> For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long article 
> in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press reports that 
> the Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From the article:
> 
> "In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a "historic bust," in 
> Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value of 
> that much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. If 
> true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it true?...
> 
> "I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the "historic" meth-lab raid 
> in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of drugs. Were 
> the drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more experts I 
> consulted, the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth was 
> pure. Then was it really fifteen tons of "pure meth," as widely reported? 
> Well, no. There had been some confusion. There were precursor chemicals. A 
> lot of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of pure 
> meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the spokesman 
> for the federal presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises 
> Enríquez Camacho, finally said, "Yes, five kilos." Eleven pounds. The fifteen 
> tons had been methamphetamine ready for packing, according to the Army. But 
> it was not "finished product," and there had been only five kilos of crystal. 
> In the U.S., where meth is often sold by the gram, that amount might be worth 
> five hundred thousand dollars. So the reported value had been inflated by a 
> factor of eight thousand?"
> 
> I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.
> --Mixon
> 
> I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, "The things your 
> science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how 
> everything works." That's when I wake up.
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[Brewskyjba]

For those of us who live by the boarder we know the problem is real. When there 
are bullet holes on this side fired from Mexico and gun battles with the Rio 
Grande in the middle...You believe. Probably 90% of the deaths are involved 
in one way or another. The problem is when one gets caught in the middle, is 
mistaken as being involved or they think that you saw something. 

News reporters that report the facts in Mexico are killed.  Even reporters on 
the US side that live on the boarder are hesitant to really report what is 
going on. Thus mis-information. 

I live on the boarder and still do a lot of business in Mexico and I can assure 
you it is real. I have learned to be very careful and aware of my surroundings. 

For those not over there all of the time the total probability may be low but 
in the right place and not knowing the local situation the probability can be 
quite high. Keep in mind that the growing and manufacturing is in remote areas. 
Hum...Where are the caves?

Bruce











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On Jul 7, 2012, at 7:24 AM, freddie poer  wrote:

> It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have noticed 
> is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there, and visa 
> versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much of it is 
> true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has witnessed any of it 
> firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in scaring off American 
> tourists including what I formerly considered brave American cavers.
> 
> --- On Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill  wrote:
> 
> From: Mixon Bill 
> Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
> To: "Cavers Texas" 
> Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM
> 
> For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long article 
> in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press reports that 
> the Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From the article:
> 
> "In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a "historic bust," in 
> Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value of 
> that much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. If 
> true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it true?...
> 
> "I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the "historic" meth-lab raid 
> in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of drugs. Were 
> the drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more experts I 
> consulted, the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth was 
> pure. Then was it really fifteen tons of "pure meth," as widely reported? 
> Well, no. There had been some confusion. There were precursor chemicals. A 
> lot of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of pure 
> meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the spokesman 
> for the federal presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises 
> Enríquez Camacho, finally said, "Yes, five kilos." Eleven pounds. The fifteen 
> tons had been methamphetamine ready for packing, according to the Army. But 
> it was not "finished product," and there had been only five kilos of crystal. 
> In the U.S., where meth is often sold by the gram, that amount might be worth 
> five hundred thousand dollars. So the reported value had been inflated by a 
> factor of eight thousand?"
> 
> I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.
> --Mixon
> 
> I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, "The things your 
> science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how 
> everything works." That's when I wake up.
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[Brewskyjba]

For those of us who live by the boarder we know the problem is real. When there 
are bullet holes on this side fired from Mexico and gun battles with the Rio 
Grande in the middle...You believe. Probably 90% of the deaths are involved 
in one way or another. The problem is when one gets caught in the middle, is 
mistaken as being involved or they think that you saw something. 

News reporters that report the facts in Mexico are killed.  Even reporters on 
the US side that live on the boarder are hesitant to really report what is 
going on. Thus mis-information. 

I live on the boarder and still do a lot of business in Mexico and I can assure 
you it is real. I have learned to be very careful and aware of my surroundings. 

For those not over there all of the time the total probability may be low but 
in the right place and not knowing the local situation the probability can be 
quite high. Keep in mind that the growing and manufacturing is in remote areas. 
Hum...Where are the caves?

Bruce











Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 7, 2012, at 7:24 AM, freddie poer  wrote:

> It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have noticed 
> is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there, and visa 
> versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much of it is 
> true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has witnessed any of it 
> firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in scaring off American 
> tourists including what I formerly considered brave American cavers.
> 
> --- On Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill  wrote:
> 
> From: Mixon Bill 
> Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
> To: "Cavers Texas" 
> Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM
> 
> For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long article 
> in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press reports that 
> the Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From the article:
> 
> "In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a "historic bust," in 
> Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value of 
> that much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. If 
> true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it true?...
> 
> "I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the "historic" meth-lab raid 
> in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of drugs. Were 
> the drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more experts I 
> consulted, the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth was 
> pure. Then was it really fifteen tons of "pure meth," as widely reported? 
> Well, no. There had been some confusion. There were precursor chemicals. A 
> lot of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of pure 
> meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the spokesman 
> for the federal presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises 
> Enríquez Camacho, finally said, "Yes, five kilos." Eleven pounds. The fifteen 
> tons had been methamphetamine ready for packing, according to the Army. But 
> it was not "finished product," and there had been only five kilos of crystal. 
> In the U.S., where meth is often sold by the gram, that amount might be worth 
> five hundred thousand dollars. So the reported value had been inflated by a 
> factor of eight thousand?"
> 
> I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.
> --Mixon
> 
> I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, "The things your 
> science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how 
> everything works." That's when I wake up.
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Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[freddie poer]

It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have noticed 
is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there, and visa 
versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much of it is 
true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has witnessed any of it 
firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in scaring off American 
tourists including what I formerly considered brave American cavers.

--- On Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill  wrote:


From: Mixon Bill 
Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
To: "Cavers Texas" 
Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM


For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long article 
in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press reports that the 
Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From the article:

"In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a "historic bust," in 
Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value of that 
much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. If true, that 
would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it true?...

"I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the "historic" meth-lab raid in 
Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of drugs. Were the 
drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more experts I consulted, 
the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth was pure. Then 
was it really fifteen tons of "pure meth," as widely reported? Well, no. There 
had been some confusion. There were precursor chemicals. A lot of 
equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven 
pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the spokesman for the federal 
presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho, 
finally said, "Yes, five kilos." Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been 
methamphetamine ready for packing, according to the Army. But it was not 
"finished product," and there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., 
where meth is often sold by the gram, that
 amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars. So the reported value had 
been inflated by a factor of eight thousand?"

I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.
--Mixon

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works." That's when I wake up.

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Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[freddie poer]

It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have noticed 
is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there, and visa 
versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much of it is 
true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has witnessed any of it 
firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in scaring off American 
tourists including what I formerly considered brave American cavers.

--- On Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill  wrote:


From: Mixon Bill 
Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
To: "Cavers Texas" 
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM


For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long article 
in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press reports that the 
Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From the article:

"In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a "historic bust," in 
Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value of that 
much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. If true, that 
would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it true?...

"I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the "historic" meth-lab raid in 
Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of drugs. Were the 
drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more experts I consulted, 
the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth was pure. Then 
was it really fifteen tons of "pure meth," as widely reported? Well, no. There 
had been some confusion. There were precursor chemicals. A lot of 
equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven 
pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the spokesman for the federal 
presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho, 
finally said, "Yes, five kilos." Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been 
methamphetamine ready for packing, according to the Army. But it was not 
"finished product," and there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., 
where meth is often sold by the gram, that
 amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars. So the reported value had 
been inflated by a factor of eight thousand?"

I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.
--Mixon

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works." That's when I wake up.

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Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[freddie poer]

It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have noticed 
is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there, and visa 
versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much of it is 
true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has witnessed any of it 
firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in scaring off American 
tourists including what I formerly considered brave American cavers.

--- On Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill  wrote:


From: Mixon Bill 
Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
To: "Cavers Texas" 
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM


For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long article 
in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press reports that the 
Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From the article:

"In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a "historic bust," in 
Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value of that 
much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. If true, that 
would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it true?...

"I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the "historic" meth-lab raid in 
Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of drugs. Were the 
drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more experts I consulted, 
the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth was pure. Then 
was it really fifteen tons of "pure meth," as widely reported? Well, no. There 
had been some confusion. There were precursor chemicals. A lot of 
equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven 
pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the spokesman for the federal 
presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho, 
finally said, "Yes, five kilos." Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been 
methamphetamine ready for packing, according to the Army. But it was not 
"finished product," and there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., 
where meth is often sold by the gram, that
 amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars. So the reported value had 
been inflated by a factor of eight thousand?"

I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.
--Mixon

I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, "The things your 
science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how everything 
works." That's when I wake up.

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