RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion
Charles, We're moving the TSA website to a new hosting company, for a number of reasons, not the least of which is better statistics to see how many people are actually using this thing. It has PHPBB available for install so it would be directly attached to TexasCavers.org. I've set up two or three of these and as you know it isn't a big deal. Mark could moderate the whole thing! Butch -Original Message- From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 12:13 PM To: Alman, Mark @ IRP Cc: David Locklear; Cavetex Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion Mark, David, both are very good ideas. Our wonderful cavetex (texascavers) mailing list is hosted by myself, which has no affiliation with the TSA at all, other than being a member. But as a member, I'm here to help out as necessary. I do have the skills and ability to host another forum for discussion, be it members of TSA only or an opt-in list for direct TSA discussions. We can do this via mailing list, or by a web based forum, for bulletin board system. This can be done quickly, easily and at no cost. Anyone that wants to discuss it, contact me off-list. Charles Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote: Superior write-up, thanks for posting it! I'll add my 1/50th of a dollar below, plus a proposal I have. -- -- *From:* David Locklear [mailto:dlocklea...@ev1.net] *Sent:* Friday, September 01, 2006 7:25 AM *To:* Cavetex *Subject:* [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion I believe the TSA is at a cross-roads. It has been there before, probably many times. There are issues that I believe need to be discussed. I believe the best way to do that is on the internet on a forum separate but similar to Cavetex. There are some drawbacks to this.For example, the e-mail box clutter. And who is going to maintain it?I do not have the computer skills, to volunteer for that. *Since Andy G. and I have access to and maintain the TSA members list (Andy as Secretary and myself as the TC Editor), I am* *volunteering to start/moderate/maintain a user group * *for all _PAID _TSA members that are interested in the friendly, positive, and congenial* *free exchange of ideas and thoughts on the ideals of cave conservation, caving, events, projects, and camarderie that the TSA represents.* ** *Think of this group as an amiable gathering of like-minded friends from around this far-flung state, who have chosen to congregate around the proverbial * *electronic campfire of cyberspace for a free exchange of dialogue on how to take the TSA into the future, much like my favorite memories of gathering * *around the fire pits at CBSP and Kickapoo Caverns after a hard day of mapping, surveying, brushwalking, etc. * ** *Negative and hostile thinkers, rock throwers, gossipers, backbiters, anyone who is antagonistic/caustic/cantankerous, arsonists (folks who enjoy throwing a can of gas on the fire to incite flame wars and then stand back to watch), or folks who dwell on the he said/she said someone done somebody wrong songs of 1, 5, 10, 20 years ago* *need not apply.* *CaveTex is a great way for all cavers of all interests and affiliations throughout the state to converse, wisecrack, announce projects, and to generally BS.* ** *This new group would not take away from that. It would just eliminate folks that have nothing to bring to the TSA table or else they'd be members.* I believe someday that you will hear cavers discuss topics concerning the future of the TSA. For example, back in the good ole days, people showed their caving photos to people in slide shows. Soon you will e-mail your slideshows, and we will all have giant plasma screens to view the photos in the privacy of our home, while sitting on a soft leather recliner. We will have video-conferencing to hold meetings.We won't need to drive across Texas to hold the convention.We will have web-conventions. I am willing to go so far as to say that by 2030, we will all laugh at the idea of holding an outdoor convention. How many of us will be still be around in 2030. I will only be a young 66, so for me it is something to that is plausible.I think if it is still done, it will only be for nostalgia's sake, like when we go caving with carbide. *The advent of elctronics and the 'Net is the reason, David, that I firmly believe that the conventions, events, and projects that the TSA promotes that brings cavers face-to-face are all the more vital and important. * ** *This from a longtime caver who just attended his first convention this year!* ** *I love email, but, people are much less reluctant to issue disparaging remarks if that person is right in front of them. Email and the 'Net make
RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion
Thanks, I'll do that. Butch -Original Message- From: wo...@justfamily.org [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 4:07 PM To: Butch Fralia Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion Sounds good, let me know if you need any help. Charles, We're moving the TSA website to a new hosting company, for a number of reasons, not the least of which is better statistics to see how many people are actually using this thing. It has PHPBB available for install so it would be directly attached to TexasCavers.org. I've set up two or three of these and as you know it isn't a big deal. Mark could moderate the whole thing! Butch -Original Message- From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 12:13 PM To: Alman, Mark @ IRP Cc: David Locklear; Cavetex Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion Mark, David, both are very good ideas. Our wonderful cavetex (texascavers) mailing list is hosted by myself, which has no affiliation with the TSA at all, other than being a member. But as a member, I'm here to help out as necessary. I do have the skills and ability to host another forum for discussion, be it members of TSA only or an opt-in list for direct TSA discussions. We can do this via mailing list, or by a web based forum, for bulletin board system. This can be done quickly, easily and at no cost. Anyone that wants to discuss it, contact me off-list. Charles Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote: Superior write-up, thanks for posting it! I'll add my 1/50th of a dollar below, plus a proposal I have. - - -- *From:* David Locklear [mailto:dlocklea...@ev1.net] *Sent:* Friday, September 01, 2006 7:25 AM *To:* Cavetex *Subject:* [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion I believe the TSA is at a cross-roads. It has been there before, probably many times. There are issues that I believe need to be discussed. I believe the best way to do that is on the internet on a forum separate but similar to Cavetex. There are some drawbacks to this.For example, the e-mail box clutter. And who is going to maintain it?I do not have the computer skills, to volunteer for that. *Since Andy G. and I have access to and maintain the TSA members list (Andy as Secretary and myself as the TC Editor), I am* *volunteering to start/moderate/maintain a user group * *for all _PAID _TSA members that are interested in the friendly, positive, and congenial* *free exchange of ideas and thoughts on the ideals of cave conservation, caving, events, projects, and camarderie that the TSA represents.* ** *Think of this group as an amiable gathering of like-minded friends from around this far-flung state, who have chosen to congregate around the proverbial * *electronic campfire of cyberspace for a free exchange of dialogue on how to take the TSA into the future, much like my favorite memories of gathering * *around the fire pits at CBSP and Kickapoo Caverns after a hard day of mapping, surveying, brushwalking, etc. * ** *Negative and hostile thinkers, rock throwers, gossipers, backbiters, anyone who is antagonistic/caustic/cantankerous, arsonists (folks who enjoy throwing a can of gas on the fire to incite flame wars and then stand back to watch), or folks who dwell on the he said/she said someone done somebody wrong songs of 1, 5, 10, 20 years ago* *need not apply.* *CaveTex is a great way for all cavers of all interests and affiliations throughout the state to converse, wisecrack, announce projects, and to generally BS.* ** *This new group would not take away from that. It would just eliminate folks that have nothing to bring to the TSA table or else they'd be members.* I believe someday that you will hear cavers discuss topics concerning the future of the TSA. For example, back in the good ole days, people showed their caving photos to people in slide shows. Soon you will e-mail your slideshows, and we will all have giant plasma screens to view the photos in the privacy of our home, while sitting on a soft leather recliner. We will have video-conferencing to hold meetings.We won't need to drive across Texas to hold the convention.We will have web-conventions. I am willing to go so far as to say that by 2030, we will all laugh at the idea of holding an outdoor convention. How many of us will be still be around in 2030. I will only be a young 66, so for me it is something to that is plausible.I think if it is still done, it will only be for nostalgia's sake, like when we go caving with carbide. *The advent of elctronics and the 'Net is the reason, David, that I firmly believe that the conventions, events, and projects that the TSA promotes that brings cavers face-to-face are all
Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion
I'd like to participate in the forum. Please keep me posted. Thank you, Kara --- Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote: Mark, David, both are very good ideas. Our wonderful cavetex (texascavers) mailing list is hosted by myself, which has no affiliation with the TSA at all, other than being a member. But as a member, I'm here to help out as necessary. I do have the skills and ability to host another forum for discussion, be it members of TSA only or an opt-in list for direct TSA discussions. We can do this via mailing list, or by a web based forum, for bulletin board system. This can be done quickly, easily and at no cost. Anyone that wants to discuss it, contact me off-list. Charles Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote: Superior write-up, thanks for posting it! I'll add my 1/50th of a dollar below, plus a proposal I have. *From:* David Locklear [mailto:dlocklea...@ev1.net] *Sent:* Friday, September 01, 2006 7:25 AM *To:* Cavetex *Subject:* [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion I believe the TSA is at a cross-roads. It has been there before, probably many times. There are issues that I believe need to be discussed. I believe the best way to do that is on the internet on a forum separate but similar to Cavetex. There are some drawbacks to this.For example, the e-mail box clutter. And who is going to maintain it?I do not have the computer skills, to volunteer for that. *Since Andy G. and I have access to and maintain the TSA members list (Andy as Secretary and myself as the TC Editor), I am* *volunteering to start/moderate/maintain a user group * *for all _PAID _TSA members that are interested in the friendly, positive, and congenial* *free exchange of ideas and thoughts on the ideals of cave conservation, caving, events, projects, and camarderie that the TSA represents.* ** *Think of this group as an amiable gathering of like-minded friends from around this far-flung state, who have chosen to congregate around the proverbial * *electronic campfire of cyberspace for a free exchange of dialogue on how to take the TSA into the future, much like my favorite memories of gathering * *around the fire pits at CBSP and Kickapoo Caverns after a hard day of mapping, surveying, brushwalking, etc. * ** *Negative and hostile thinkers, rock throwers, gossipers, backbiters, anyone who is antagonistic/caustic/cantankerous, arsonists (folks who enjoy throwing a can of gas on the fire to incite flame wars and then stand back to watch), or folks who dwell on the he said/she said someone done somebody wrong songs of 1, 5, 10, 20 years ago* *need not apply.* *CaveTex is a great way for all cavers of all interests and affiliations throughout the state to converse, wisecrack, announce projects, and to generally BS.* ** *This new group would not take away from that. It would just eliminate folks that have nothing to bring to the TSA table or else they'd be members.* I believe someday that you will hear cavers discuss topics concerning the future of the TSA. For example, back in the good ole days, people showed their caving photos to people in slide shows. Soon you will e-mail your slideshows, and we will all have giant plasma screens to view the photos in the privacy of our home, while sitting on a soft leather recliner. We will have video-conferencing to hold meetings.We won't need to drive across Texas to hold the convention. We will have web-conventions. I am willing to go so far as to say that by 2030, we will all laugh at the idea of holding an outdoor convention. How many of us will be still be around in 2030. I will only be a young 66, so for me it is something to that is plausible.I think if it is still done, it will only be for nostalgia's sake, like when we go caving with carbide. *The advent of elctronics and the 'Net is the reason, David, that I firmly believe that the conventions, events, and projects that the TSA promotes that brings cavers face-to-face are all the more vital and important. * ** *This from a longtime caver who just attended his first convention this year!* ** *I love email, but, people are much less reluctant to issue disparaging remarks if that person is right in front of them. Email and the 'Net make it too easy issue to trash someone or to send an email or remark that is interpreted the wrong way.* ** *Does the TSA have issues and the occasional dysfunctional family moment, as my lovely wife likes to call them? * ** *Heck, yes, but which family out there doesn't?! You just don't throw the baby out with the bath water.* **
Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion
I would prefer to see this type of system set up on the TSA website. It would draw cavers to our website...and create a way for the TSA to more effectively communicate with its members...and its prospective member base. And members and prospective members would have an opportunity to see and explore the wealth of information on our website. And the increased traffic might supply the traffic for an on line store. Everyone says they want a stronger more active TSA that does a number of new things for its members...so its time that we gave the TSA the tools it needs to reach out and grow. I acknowledge what a wonderful tool cavetex has been for Texas Cavers. And Charles and Bill desire our gratitude for keeping this going. But if you guys want a vibrant organization...we need to make decisions beneficial to that end. And I believe we can allow access to the discussion forum to anyone we want...members and non-membersso Nico will not be left out. On 9/1/06 1:14 PM, Nico Escamilla pitboun...@gmail.com wrote: I believe the PHPbb software is free, it would be neat to have such discussion board, whats not so neat tho is that I'm gonna be left out cause I'm not a TSA member but oh well. here are some discussion boards using PHPbb www.texascaving.com http://www.texascaving.com site by chris saizan www.cavechat.org http://www.cavechat.org the NSS official discussion board maintained by Wayne Harrison from CO Nico On 9/1/06, Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote: Mark, David, both are very good ideas. Our wonderful cavetex (texascavers) mailing list is hosted by myself, which has no affiliation with the TSA at all, other than being a member. But as a member, I'm here to help out as necessary. I do have the skills and ability to host another forum for discussion, be it members of TSA only or an opt-in list for direct TSA discussions. We can do this via mailing list, or by a web based forum, for bulletin board system. This can be done quickly, easily and at no cost. Anyone that wants to discuss it, contact me off-list. Charles Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote: Superior write-up, thanks for posting it! I'll add my 1/50th of a dollar below, plus a proposal I have. *From:* David Locklear [mailto:dlocklea...@ev1.net] *Sent:* Friday, September 01, 2006 7:25 AM *To:* Cavetex *Subject:* [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion I believe the TSA is at a cross-roads. It has been there before, probably many times. There are issues that I believe need to be discussed. I believe the best way to do that is on the internet on a forum separate but similar to Cavetex. There are some drawbacks to this.For example, the e-mail box clutter. And who is going to maintain it?I do not have the computer skills, to volunteer for that. *Since Andy G. and I have access to and maintain the TSA members list (Andy as Secretary and myself as the TC Editor), I am* *volunteering to start/moderate/maintain a user group * *for all _PAID _TSA members that are interested in the friendly, positive, and congenial* *free exchange of ideas and thoughts on the ideals of cave conservation, caving, events, projects, and camarderie that the TSA represents.* ** *Think of this group as an amiable gathering of like-minded friends from around this far-flung state, who have chosen to congregate around the proverbial * *electronic campfire of cyberspace for a free exchange of dialogue on how to take the TSA into the future, much like my favorite memories of gathering * *around the fire pits at CBSP and Kickapoo Caverns after a hard day of mapping, surveying, brushwalking, etc. * ** *Negative and hostile thinkers, rock throwers, gossipers, backbiters, anyone who is antagonistic/caustic/cantankerous, arsonists (folks who enjoy throwing a can of gas on the fire to incite flame wars and then stand back to watch), or folks who dwell on the he said/she said someone done somebody wrong songs of 1, 5, 10, 20 years ago* *need not apply.* *CaveTex is a great way for all cavers of all interests and affiliations throughout the state to converse, wisecrack, announce projects, and to generally BS.* ** *This new group would not take away from that. It would just eliminate folks that have nothing to bring to the TSA table or else they'd be members.* I believe someday that you will hear cavers discuss topics concerning the future of the TSA. For example, back in the good ole days, people showed their caving photos to people in slide shows. Soon you will e-mail your slideshows, and we will all have giant plasma screens to view the photos in the privacy of our home, while sitting on a soft leather recliner. We will have video-conferencing to hold meetings.We won't need to drive across Texas to hold
RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion
Good to hear, Charles. I think a Members Only section would be great, as well as a link/plug for CaveTex and how to join, what it is, etc. Would there be adequate server space for old issues of the Texas Caver? It's up to y'all/membership if we'd want to put these in the Members Only section, but, I have pdf's of all the ones I've done. Some good thoughts and discussions going on, and, hey, they're actually constructive AND positive! Keep up the great work on CaveTex and the TSA site! Later, Mark -Original Message- From: wo...@justfamily.org [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 1:21 AM To: John P. Brooks Cc: Nico Escamilla; Alman, Mark @ IRP; David Locklear Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion Yes, with most forum software, especially phpbb, having a public section and a members only section would be very easy. I understand that Butch and Pete are working on some new things for the TSA site. It's in very capable hands. I would prefer to see this type of system set up on the TSA website. It would draw cavers to our website...and create a way for the TSA to more effectively communicate with its members...and its prospective member base. And members and prospective members would have an opportunity to see and explore the wealth of information on our website. And the increased traffic might supply the traffic for an on line store. Everyone says they want a stronger more active TSA that does a number of new things for its members...so its time that we gave the TSA the tools it needs to reach out and grow. I acknowledge what a wonderful tool cavetex has been for Texas Cavers. And Charles and Bill desire our gratitude for keeping this going. But if you guys want a vibrant organization...we need to make decisions beneficial to that end.
Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion
We have the room on the website. So we can talk about putting up both pictures and back issues of the TC! - Pete Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith wrote: I don't do the TSA website, I'll copy Butch and Pete on this and see what they say about it. Putting up the old issues would be great in my opinion. Thanks! Charles Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote: Good to hear, Charles. I think a Members Only section would be great, as well as a link/plug for CaveTex and how to join, what it is, etc. Would there be adequate server space for old issues of the Texas Caver? It's up to y'all/membership if we'd want to put these in the Members Only section, but, I have pdf's of all the ones I've done. Some good thoughts and discussions going on, and, hey, they're actually constructive AND positive! Keep up the great work on CaveTex and the TSA site! Later, Mark -Original Message- From: wo...@justfamily.org [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 1:21 AM To: John P. Brooks Cc: Nico Escamilla; Alman, Mark @ IRP; David Locklear Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion Yes, with most forum software, especially phpbb, having a public section and a members only section would be very easy. I understand that Butch and Pete are working on some new things for the TSA site. It's in very capable hands. I would prefer to see this type of system set up on the TSA website. It would draw cavers to our website...and create a way for the TSA to more effectively communicate with its members...and its prospective member base. And members and prospective members would have an opportunity to see and explore the wealth of information on our website. And the increased traffic might supply the traffic for an on line store. Everyone says they want a stronger more active TSA that does a number of new things for its members...so its time that we gave the TSA the tools it needs to reach out and grow. I acknowledge what a wonderful tool cavetex has been for Texas Cavers. And Charles and Bill desire our gratitude for keeping this going. But if you guys want a vibrant organization...we need to make decisions beneficial to that end.
RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion
We have plenty of space 1500MB and more bandwidth that we'll need. Can we get the back issues in PDF format or I can make PDF's for the issues that were done in MS-Publisher. Older caver's I'd put in a public area where anyone can get to them. We can set an aging limit to what's public; six months, a year? The ANL is certainly public. We can have a members area (if you're not in a hurry). It would require so PHP programming that I can do. The problem could be a database for it. If we have the BBS/Forum, it runs off a database and has a user table. The Store also has a registration area and is on a separate database. Unless I write some special interface, there's the opportunity to have even a 3rd database and user registration table. Butch -Original Message- From: Pete Lindsley [mailto:linds...@raytheon.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 12:20 PM To: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith Cc: Alman, Mark @ IRP; John P. Brooks; Nico Escamilla; David Locklear; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion We have the room on the website. So we can talk about putting up both pictures and back issues of the TC! - Pete Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith wrote: I don't do the TSA website, I'll copy Butch and Pete on this and see what they say about it. Putting up the old issues would be great in my opinion. Thanks! Charles Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote: Good to hear, Charles. I think a Members Only section would be great, as well as a link/plug for CaveTex and how to join, what it is, etc. Would there be adequate server space for old issues of the Texas Caver? It's up to y'all/membership if we'd want to put these in the Members Only section, but, I have pdf's of all the ones I've done. Some good thoughts and discussions going on, and, hey, they're actually constructive AND positive! Keep up the great work on CaveTex and the TSA site! Later, Mark -Original Message- From: wo...@justfamily.org [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 1:21 AM To: John P. Brooks Cc: Nico Escamilla; Alman, Mark @ IRP; David Locklear Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion Yes, with most forum software, especially phpbb, having a public section and a members only section would be very easy. I understand that Butch and Pete are working on some new things for the TSA site. It's in very capable hands. I would prefer to see this type of system set up on the TSA website. It would draw cavers to our website...and create a way for the TSA to more effectively communicate with its members...and its prospective member base. And members and prospective members would have an opportunity to see and explore the wealth of information on our website. And the increased traffic might supply the traffic for an on line store. Everyone says they want a stronger more active TSA that does a number of new things for its members...so its time that we gave the TSA the tools it needs to reach out and grow. I acknowledge what a wonderful tool cavetex has been for Texas Cavers. And Charles and Bill desire our gratitude for keeping this going. But if you guys want a vibrant organization...we need to make decisions beneficial to that end. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 9/4/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 9/4/2006
RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion
Mark, Did you get the e-mail I sent about having a forum set up on cavetexas.org? It's BBS and not a mailing list, are you to be a moderator and screen people as TSA members? Butch -Original Message- From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 11:17 AM To: Alman, Mark @ IRP Cc: John P. Brooks; Nico Escamilla; David Locklear; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion I don't do the TSA website, I'll copy Butch and Pete on this and see what they say about it. Putting up the old issues would be great in my opinion. Thanks! Charles Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote: Good to hear, Charles. I think a Members Only section would be great, as well as a link/plug for CaveTex and how to join, what it is, etc. Would there be adequate server space for old issues of the Texas Caver? It's up to y'all/membership if we'd want to put these in the Members Only section, but, I have pdf's of all the ones I've done. Some good thoughts and discussions going on, and, hey, they're actually constructive AND positive! Keep up the great work on CaveTex and the TSA site! Later, Mark -Original Message- From: wo...@justfamily.org [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 1:21 AM To: John P. Brooks Cc: Nico Escamilla; Alman, Mark @ IRP; David Locklear Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion Yes, with most forum software, especially phpbb, having a public section and a members only section would be very easy. I understand that Butch and Pete are working on some new things for the TSA site. It's in very capable hands. I would prefer to see this type of system set up on the TSA website. It would draw cavers to our website...and create a way for the TSA to more effectively communicate with its members...and its prospective member base. And members and prospective members would have an opportunity to see and explore the wealth of information on our website. And the increased traffic might supply the traffic for an on line store. Everyone says they want a stronger more active TSA that does a number of new things for its members...so its time that we gave the TSA the tools it needs to reach out and grow. I acknowledge what a wonderful tool cavetex has been for Texas Cavers. And Charles and Bill desire our gratitude for keeping this going. But if you guys want a vibrant organization...we need to make decisions beneficial to that end. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 9/4/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 9/4/2006
RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion
Charles, I believe you are correct, thanks for the thought because it's not an option I'd thought of. You can also let people upload files through the forums. We'll have to think about whether we want to do that and what files should be uploaded. We can also piss Chris Vreeland off and let people upload their animated avatars. Butch -Original Message- From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:54 PM To: bfra...@charter.net Cc: 'Pete Lindsley'; 'Alman, Mark @ IRP'; 'John P. Brooks'; 'Nico Escamilla'; 'David Locklear'; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion Butch, why not just set aside a section in the forums for the newsletters, control access via the forum permissions. I think there is even an addon for phpbb for file archives, but don't hold me to that. Butch Fralia wrote: We have plenty of space 1500MB and more bandwidth that we'll need. Can we get the back issues in PDF format or I can make PDF's for the issues that were done in MS-Publisher. Older caver's I'd put in a public area where anyone can get to them. We can set an aging limit to what's public; six months, a year? The ANL is certainly public. We can have a members area (if you're not in a hurry). It would require so PHP programming that I can do. The problem could be a database for it. If we have the BBS/Forum, it runs off a database and has a user table. The Store also has a registration area and is on a separate database. Unless I write some special interface, there's the opportunity to have even a 3rd database and user registration table. Butch -Original Message- From: Pete Lindsley [mailto:linds...@raytheon.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 12:20 PM To: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith Cc: Alman, Mark @ IRP; John P. Brooks; Nico Escamilla; David Locklear; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion We have the room on the website. So we can talk about putting up both pictures and back issues of the TC! - Pete Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith wrote: I don't do the TSA website, I'll copy Butch and Pete on this and see what they say about it. Putting up the old issues would be great in my opinion. Thanks! Charles Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote: Good to hear, Charles. I think a Members Only section would be great, as well as a link/plug for CaveTex and how to join, what it is, etc. Would there be adequate server space for old issues of the Texas Caver? It's up to y'all/membership if we'd want to put these in the Members Only section, but, I have pdf's of all the ones I've done. Some good thoughts and discussions going on, and, hey, they're actually constructive AND positive! Keep up the great work on CaveTex and the TSA site! Later, Mark -Original Message- From: wo...@justfamily.org [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 1:21 AM To: John P. Brooks Cc: Nico Escamilla; Alman, Mark @ IRP; David Locklear Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion Yes, with most forum software, especially phpbb, having a public section and a members only section would be very easy. I understand that Butch and Pete are working on some new things for the TSA site. It's in very capable hands. I would prefer to see this type of system set up on the TSA website. It would draw cavers to our website...and create a way for the TSA to more effectively communicate with its members...and its prospective member base. And members and prospective members would have an opportunity to see and explore the wealth of information on our website. And the increased traffic might supply the traffic for an on line store. Everyone says they want a stronger more active TSA that does a number of new things for its members...so its time that we gave the TSA the tools it needs to reach out and grow. I acknowledge what a wonderful tool cavetex has been for Texas Cavers. And Charles and Bill desire our gratitude for keeping this going. But if you guys want a vibrant organization...we need to make decisions beneficial to that end. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 9/4/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 9/4/2006
RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion
Yes, I did, Butch and I think it's a great idea, especially if it helps the TSA be more of a full service website. I have no problem with being the moderator, if this is OK with John and everyone else. Just let me know what I need to do and I can send you the members list, or they can apply for access and I approve? Is this how it would work? I'm also glad to hear that y'all have room for old TC's. Let me know when you want them and if we could get the other old TC's from the prior editors, the better. Thanks, Mark -Original Message- From: Butch Fralia [mailto:bfra...@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:36 PM To: 'Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith'; Alman, Mark @ IRP Cc: 'John P. Brooks'; 'Nico Escamilla'; 'David Locklear'; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion Mark, Did you get the e-mail I sent about having a forum set up on cavetexas.org? It's BBS and not a mailing list, are you to be a moderator and screen people as TSA members? Butch -Original Message- From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 11:17 AM To: Alman, Mark @ IRP Cc: John P. Brooks; Nico Escamilla; David Locklear; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion I don't do the TSA website, I'll copy Butch and Pete on this and see what they say about it. Putting up the old issues would be great in my opinion. Thanks! Charles Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote: Good to hear, Charles. I think a Members Only section would be great, as well as a link/plug for CaveTex and how to join, what it is, etc. Would there be adequate server space for old issues of the Texas Caver? It's up to y'all/membership if we'd want to put these in the Members Only section, but, I have pdf's of all the ones I've done. Some good thoughts and discussions going on, and, hey, they're actually constructive AND positive! Keep up the great work on CaveTex and the TSA site! Later, Mark -Original Message- From: wo...@justfamily.org [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 1:21 AM To: John P. Brooks Cc: Nico Escamilla; Alman, Mark @ IRP; David Locklear Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion Yes, with most forum software, especially phpbb, having a public section and a members only section would be very easy. I understand that Butch and Pete are working on some new things for the TSA site. It's in very capable hands. I would prefer to see this type of system set up on the TSA website. It would draw cavers to our website...and create a way for the TSA to more effectively communicate with its members...and its prospective member base. And members and prospective members would have an opportunity to see and explore the wealth of information on our website. And the increased traffic might supply the traffic for an on line store. Everyone says they want a stronger more active TSA that does a number of new things for its members...so its time that we gave the TSA the tools it needs to reach out and grow. I acknowledge what a wonderful tool cavetex has been for Texas Cavers. And Charles and Bill desire our gratitude for keeping this going. But if you guys want a vibrant organization...we need to make decisions beneficial to that end. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 9/4/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 9/4/2006
RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion
The first thing I need you to do is go out to the site and register so I can set you up as administrator/moderator. We'll need to get rid of the test forums that are in place and set up the forums like you'll want them. Do we want to let non-members read the forums, some of the forums or block all access for non-registered users. I'll have the registrations forward to you and you'll have to check them against your list and approve them. Charles suggested that the TC's could be downloadable by members only through the BBS software. I think that's doable but will have to check up on it. You can check out texascaving.com for forum examples. We'll probably want to have a rules section that anyone can read. Again I probably can't do much with it this week but wanted you to be thinking about it. Butch -Original Message- From: Alman, Mark @ IRP [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 2:51 PM To: bfra...@charter.net; Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith Cc: John P. Brooks; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion Yes, I did, Butch and I think it's a great idea, especially if it helps the TSA be more of a full service website. I have no problem with being the moderator, if this is OK with John and everyone else. Just let me know what I need to do and I can send you the members list, or they can apply for access and I approve? Is this how it would work? I'm also glad to hear that y'all have room for old TC's. Let me know when you want them and if we could get the other old TC's from the prior editors, the better. Thanks, Mark -Original Message- From: Butch Fralia [mailto:bfra...@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:36 PM To: 'Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith'; Alman, Mark @ IRP Cc: 'John P. Brooks'; 'Nico Escamilla'; 'David Locklear'; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion Mark, Did you get the e-mail I sent about having a forum set up on cavetexas.org? It's BBS and not a mailing list, are you to be a moderator and screen people as TSA members? Butch -Original Message- From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 11:17 AM To: Alman, Mark @ IRP Cc: John P. Brooks; Nico Escamilla; David Locklear; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion I don't do the TSA website, I'll copy Butch and Pete on this and see what they say about it. Putting up the old issues would be great in my opinion. Thanks! Charles Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote: Good to hear, Charles. I think a Members Only section would be great, as well as a link/plug for CaveTex and how to join, what it is, etc. Would there be adequate server space for old issues of the Texas Caver? It's up to y'all/membership if we'd want to put these in the Members Only section, but, I have pdf's of all the ones I've done. Some good thoughts and discussions going on, and, hey, they're actually constructive AND positive! Keep up the great work on CaveTex and the TSA site! Later, Mark -Original Message- From: wo...@justfamily.org [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 1:21 AM To: John P. Brooks Cc: Nico Escamilla; Alman, Mark @ IRP; David Locklear Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion Yes, with most forum software, especially phpbb, having a public section and a members only section would be very easy. I understand that Butch and Pete are working on some new things for the TSA site. It's in very capable hands. I would prefer to see this type of system set up on the TSA website. It would draw cavers to our website...and create a way for the TSA to more effectively communicate with its members...and its prospective member base. And members and prospective members would have an opportunity to see and explore the wealth of information on our website. And the increased traffic might supply the traffic for an on line store. Everyone says they want a stronger more active TSA that does a number of new things for its members...so its time that we gave the TSA the tools it needs to reach out and grow. I acknowledge what a wonderful tool cavetex has been for Texas Cavers. And Charles and Bill desire our gratitude for keeping this going. But if you guys want a vibrant organization...we need to make decisions beneficial to that end. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 9/4/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 9/4/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 9/4/2006 -- No virus found
Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion
On 9/5/06 3:25 PM, Butch Fralia bfra...@charter.net wrote: Who is our moderator ? Mark ? I have no issue with itbut please don¹t over load yourself. The first thing I need you to do is go out to the site and register so I can set you up as administrator/moderator. We'll need to get rid of the test forums that are in place and set up the forums like you'll want them. Do we want to let non-members read the forums, some of the forums or block all access for non-registered users. Members and non-members should have accessbut we might want to eventually have some special interest areas that require membership or registration with the interest group. I'll have the registrations forward to you and you'll have to check them against your list and approve them. Charles suggested that the TC's could be downloadable by members only through the BBS software. I think that's doable but will have to check up on it. You can check out texascaving.com for forum examples. We'll probably want to have a rules section that anyone can read. We should have the rules as part of the registration process and have people acknowledge that they will comply. And I would think that we need to have some ³rules of engagement² to keep things civil. Again I probably can't do much with it this week but wanted you to be thinking about it. Butch -Original Message- From: Alman, Mark @ IRP [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 2:51 PM To: bfra...@charter.net; Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith Cc: John P. Brooks; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion Yes, I did, Butch and I think it's a great idea, especially if it helps the TSA be more of a full service website. I have no problem with being the moderator, if this is OK with John and everyone else. Just let me know what I need to do and I can send you the members list, or they can apply for access and I approve? Is this how it would work? I'm also glad to hear that y'all have room for old TC's. Let me know when you want them and if we could get the other old TC's from the prior editors, the better. Thanks, Mark -Original Message- From: Butch Fralia [mailto:bfra...@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:36 PM To: 'Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith'; Alman, Mark @ IRP Cc: 'John P. Brooks'; 'Nico Escamilla'; 'David Locklear'; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion Mark, Did you get the e-mail I sent about having a forum set up on cavetexas.org? It's BBS and not a mailing list, are you to be a moderator and screen people as TSA members? Butch -Original Message- From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 11:17 AM To: Alman, Mark @ IRP Cc: John P. Brooks; Nico Escamilla; David Locklear; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion I don't do the TSA website, I'll copy Butch and Pete on this and see what they say about it. Putting up the old issues would be great in my opinion. Thanks! Charles Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote: Good to hear, Charles. I think a Members Only section would be great, as well as a link/plug for CaveTex and how to join, what it is, etc. Would there be adequate server space for old issues of the Texas Caver? It's up to y'all/membership if we'd want to put these in the Members Only section, but, I have pdf's of all the ones I've done. Some good thoughts and discussions going on, and, hey, they're actually constructive AND positive! Keep up the great work on CaveTex and the TSA site! Later, Mark -Original Message- From: wo...@justfamily.org [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 1:21 AM To: John P. Brooks Cc: Nico Escamilla; Alman, Mark @ IRP; David Locklear Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion Yes, with most forum software, especially phpbb, having a public section and a members only section would be very easy. I understand that Butch and Pete are working on some new things for the TSA site. It's in very capable hands. I would prefer to see this type of system set up on the TSA website. It would draw cavers to our website...and create a way for the TSA to more effectively communicate with its members...and its prospective member base. And members and prospective members would have an opportunity to see and explore the wealth of information on our website. And the increased traffic might supply the traffic for an on line store. Everyone says they want a stronger more active TSA that does a number of new things for its members...so its time that we gave the TSA the tools it needs to reach out and grow. I acknowledge what a wonderful tool cavetex has been for Texas Cavers. And Charles and Bill desire our
RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion
All, my questions and comments are below: -Original Message- From: Butch Fralia [mailto:bfra...@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 3:25 PM To: Alman, Mark @ IRP; 'Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith' Cc: 'John P. Brooks'; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion The first thing I need you to do is go out to the site and register so I can set you up as administrator/moderator. How do I do this or is it not set up yet? I was unable to locate it on the webpage. We'll need to get rid of the test forums that are in place and set up the forums like you'll want them. Do we want to let non-members read the forums, some of the forums or block all access for non-registered users. I'll have the registrations forward to you and you'll have to check them against your list and approve them. It's up to y'all, but my feeling is to let non-members be able to read them, but, you must be a paid and registered TSA member to post or reply. Also, I think the way the Maverick Grotto does their newsletters is good, in that, you must be a paid member to look at the most recent TC's. If you're not a paid Member, maybe we can let them look at the 1st quarter issue. Charles suggested that the TC's could be downloadable by members only through the BBS software. I think that's doable but will have to check up on it. You can check out texascaving.com for forum examples. We'll probably want to have a rules section that anyone can read. Again I probably can't do much with it this week but wanted you to be thinking about it. Butch Finally, do we want to have sub-sections in the forums sections, i.e., project section, trip section, Grotto section, TSA Business section, etc. or is this too much? However y'all want to do it and thanks so much, Butch and Pete, for undertaking this challenging and, hopefully, groundbreaking task for the TSA! Mark -Original Message- From: Alman, Mark @ IRP [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 2:51 PM To: bfra...@charter.net; Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith Cc: John P. Brooks; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion Yes, I did, Butch and I think it's a great idea, especially if it helps the TSA be more of a full service website. I have no problem with being the moderator, if this is OK with John and everyone else. Just let me know what I need to do and I can send you the members list, or they can apply for access and I approve? Is this how it would work? I'm also glad to hear that y'all have room for old TC's. Let me know when you want them and if we could get the other old TC's from the prior editors, the better. Thanks, Mark -Original Message- From: Butch Fralia [mailto:bfra...@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:36 PM To: 'Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith'; Alman, Mark @ IRP Cc: 'John P. Brooks'; 'Nico Escamilla'; 'David Locklear'; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion Mark, Did you get the e-mail I sent about having a forum set up on cavetexas.org? It's BBS and not a mailing list, are you to be a moderator and screen people as TSA members? Butch -Original Message- From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 11:17 AM To: Alman, Mark @ IRP Cc: John P. Brooks; Nico Escamilla; David Locklear; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion I don't do the TSA website, I'll copy Butch and Pete on this and see what they say about it. Putting up the old issues would be great in my opinion. Thanks! Charles Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote: Good to hear, Charles. I think a Members Only section would be great, as well as a link/plug for CaveTex and how to join, what it is, etc. Would there be adequate server space for old issues of the Texas Caver? It's up to y'all/membership if we'd want to put these in the Members Only section, but, I have pdf's of all the ones I've done. Some good thoughts and discussions going on, and, hey, they're actually constructive AND positive! Keep up the great work on CaveTex and the TSA site! Later, Mark -Original Message- From: wo...@justfamily.org [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 1:21 AM To: John P. Brooks Cc: Nico Escamilla; Alman, Mark @ IRP; David Locklear Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion Yes, with most forum software, especially phpbb, having a public section and a members only section would be very easy. I understand that Butch and Pete are working on some new things for the TSA site. It's in very capable hands. I would prefer to see this type of system set up on the TSA website. It would draw cavers to our website...and create a way for the TSA to more effectively communicate with its members...and its prospective member
RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion
Sorry, I thought I sent the link: HYPERLINK http://forum.cavetexas.orghttp://forum.cavetexas.org it's not linked from the main website yet and it's set up in a subdomain. A subsite of the TSA website. It looks like I got finished with the TSS stuff earlier than expected so I've got a little time this week. A client just called so I'll have to break and take care of them but it shouldn't be long. I set up some categories and forums to start with. I've set up the registration where an admin will have to validate the users. I just registered myself and that works. Butch -Original Message- From: Alman, Mark @ IRP [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 7:28 AM To: bfra...@charter.net; Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith Cc: John P. Brooks; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion All, my questions and comments are below: -Original Message- From: Butch Fralia [HYPERLINK mailto:bfra...@charter.netmailto:bfra...@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 3:25 PM To: Alman, Mark @ IRP; 'Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith' Cc: 'John P. Brooks'; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion The first thing I need you to do is go out to the site and register so I can set you up as administrator/moderator. How do I do this or is it not set up yet? I was unable to locate it on the webpage. We'll need to get rid of the test forums that are in place and set up the forums like you'll want them. Do we want to let non-members read the forums, some of the forums or block all access for non-registered users. I'll have the registrations forward to you and you'll have to check them against your list and approve them. It's up to y'all, but my feeling is to let non-members be able to read them, but, you must be a paid and registered TSA member to post or reply. Also, I think the way the Maverick Grotto does their newsletters is good, in that, you must be a paid member to look at the most recent TC's. If you're not a paid Member, maybe we can let them look at the 1st quarter issue. Charles suggested that the TC's could be downloadable by members only through the BBS software. I think that's doable but will have to check up on it. You can check out texascaving.com for forum examples. We'll probably want to have a rules section that anyone can read. Again I probably can't do much with it this week but wanted you to be thinking about it. Butch Finally, do we want to have sub-sections in the forums sections, i.e., project section, trip section, Grotto section, TSA Business section, etc. or is this too much? However y'all want to do it and thanks so much, Butch and Pete, for undertaking this challenging and, hopefully, groundbreaking task for the TSA! Mark -Original Message- From: Alman, Mark @ IRP [HYPERLINK mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.commailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 2:51 PM To: bfra...@charter.net; Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith Cc: John P. Brooks; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion Yes, I did, Butch and I think it's a great idea, especially if it helps the TSA be more of a full service website. I have no problem with being the moderator, if this is OK with John and everyone else. Just let me know what I need to do and I can send you the members list, or they can apply for access and I approve? Is this how it would work? I'm also glad to hear that y'all have room for old TC's. Let me know when you want them and if we could get the other old TC's from the prior editors, the better. Thanks, Mark -Original Message- From: Butch Fralia [HYPERLINK mailto:bfra...@charter.netmailto:bfra...@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:36 PM To: 'Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith'; Alman, Mark @ IRP Cc: 'John P. Brooks'; 'Nico Escamilla'; 'David Locklear'; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion Mark, Did you get the e-mail I sent about having a forum set up on cavetexas.org? It's BBS and not a mailing list, are you to be a moderator and screen people as TSA members? Butch -Original Message- From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith [HYPERLINK mailto:wo...@justfamily.orgmailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 11:17 AM To: Alman, Mark @ IRP Cc: John P. Brooks; Nico Escamilla; David Locklear; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion I don't do the TSA website, I'll copy Butch and Pete on this and see what they say about it. Putting up the old issues would be great in my opinion. Thanks! Charles Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote: Good to hear, Charles. I think a Members Only section would be great, as well as a link/plug for CaveTex and how to join, what it is, etc. Would there be adequate server space
RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion
One more thing, if the installation is true to form, I'll have to reinstall it several times. Butch -Original Message- From: Butch Fralia [mailto:bfra...@charter.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 11:21 AM To: 'Alman, Mark @ IRP'; 'Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith' Cc: 'John P. Brooks'; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion Sorry, I thought I sent the link: HYPERLINK http://forum.cavetexas.orghttp://forum.cavetexas.org it's not linked from the main website yet and it's set up in a subdomain. A subsite of the TSA website. It looks like I got finished with the TSS stuff earlier than expected so I've got a little time this week. A client just called so I'll have to break and take care of them but it shouldn't be long. I set up some categories and forums to start with. I've set up the registration where an admin will have to validate the users. I just registered myself and that works. Butch -Original Message- From: Alman, Mark @ IRP [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 7:28 AM To: bfra...@charter.net; Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith Cc: John P. Brooks; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion All, my questions and comments are below: -Original Message- From: Butch Fralia [HYPERLINK mailto:bfra...@charter.netmailto:bfra...@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 3:25 PM To: Alman, Mark @ IRP; 'Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith' Cc: 'John P. Brooks'; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion The first thing I need you to do is go out to the site and register so I can set you up as administrator/moderator. How do I do this or is it not set up yet? I was unable to locate it on the webpage. We'll need to get rid of the test forums that are in place and set up the forums like you'll want them. Do we want to let non-members read the forums, some of the forums or block all access for non-registered users. I'll have the registrations forward to you and you'll have to check them against your list and approve them. It's up to y'all, but my feeling is to let non-members be able to read them, but, you must be a paid and registered TSA member to post or reply. Also, I think the way the Maverick Grotto does their newsletters is good, in that, you must be a paid member to look at the most recent TC's. If you're not a paid Member, maybe we can let them look at the 1st quarter issue. Charles suggested that the TC's could be downloadable by members only through the BBS software. I think that's doable but will have to check up on it. You can check out texascaving.com for forum examples. We'll probably want to have a rules section that anyone can read. Again I probably can't do much with it this week but wanted you to be thinking about it. Butch Finally, do we want to have sub-sections in the forums sections, i.e., project section, trip section, Grotto section, TSA Business section, etc. or is this too much? However y'all want to do it and thanks so much, Butch and Pete, for undertaking this challenging and, hopefully, groundbreaking task for the TSA! Mark -Original Message- From: Alman, Mark @ IRP [HYPERLINK mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.commailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 2:51 PM To: bfra...@charter.net; Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith Cc: John P. Brooks; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion Yes, I did, Butch and I think it's a great idea, especially if it helps the TSA be more of a full service website. I have no problem with being the moderator, if this is OK with John and everyone else. Just let me know what I need to do and I can send you the members list, or they can apply for access and I approve? Is this how it would work? I'm also glad to hear that y'all have room for old TC's. Let me know when you want them and if we could get the other old TC's from the prior editors, the better. Thanks, Mark -Original Message- From: Butch Fralia [HYPERLINK mailto:bfra...@charter.netmailto:bfra...@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:36 PM To: 'Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith'; Alman, Mark @ IRP Cc: 'John P. Brooks'; 'Nico Escamilla'; 'David Locklear'; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion Mark, Did you get the e-mail I sent about having a forum set up on cavetexas.org? It's BBS and not a mailing list, are you to be a moderator and screen people as TSA members? Butch -Original Message- From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith [HYPERLINK mailto:wo...@justfamily.orgmailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 11:17 AM To: Alman, Mark @ IRP Cc: John P. Brooks; Nico Escamilla; David Locklear; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion I
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coolwhen can it be on-line ? jb Butch Fralia bfra...@charter.net wrote: Sorry, I thought I sent the link: http://forum.cavetexas.org it's not linked from the main website yet and it's set up in a subdomain. A subsite of the TSA website. It looks like I got finished with the TSS stuff earlier than expected so I've got a little time this week. A client just called so I'll have to break and take care of them but it shouldn't be long. I set up some categories and forums to start with. I've set up the registration where an admin will have to validate the users. I just registered myself and that works. Butch -Original Message- From: Alman, Mark @ IRP [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 7:28 AM To: bfra...@charter.net; Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith Cc: John P. Brooks; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion All, my questions and comments are below: -Original Message- From: Butch Fralia [mailto:bfra...@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 3:25 PM To: Alman, Mark @ IRP; 'Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith' Cc: 'John P. Brooks'; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion The first thing I need you to do is go out to the site and register so I can set you up as administrator/moderator. How do I do this or is it not set up yet? I was unable to locate it on the webpage. We'll need to get rid of the test forums that are in place and set up the forums like you'll want them. Do we want to let non-members read the forums, some of the forums or block all access for non-registered users. I'll have the registrations forward to you and you'll have to check them against your list and approve them. It's up to y'all, but my feeling is to let non-members be able to read them, but, you must be a paid and registered TSA member to post or reply. Also, I think the way the Maverick Grotto does their newsletters is good, in that, you must be a paid member to look at the most recent TC's. If you're not a paid Member, maybe we can let them look at the 1st quarter issue. Charles suggested that the TC's could be downloadable by members only through the BBS software. I think that's doable but will have to check up on it. You can check out texascaving.com for forum examples. We'll probably want to have a rules section that anyone can read. Again I probably can't do much with it this week but wanted you to be thinking about it. Butch Finally, do we want to have sub-sections in the forums sections, i.e., project section, trip section, Grotto section, TSA Business section, etc. or is this too much? However y'all want to do it and thanks so much, Butch and Pete, for undertaking this challenging and, hopefully, groundbreaking task for the TSA! Mark -Original Message- From: Alman, Mark @ IRP [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 2:51 PM To: bfra...@charter.net; Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith Cc: John P. Brooks; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion Yes, I did, Butch and I think it's a great idea, especially if it helps the TSA be more of a full service website. I have no problem with being the moderator, if this is OK with John and everyone else. Just let me know what I need to do and I can send you the members list, or they can apply for access and I approve? Is this how it would work? I'm also glad to hear that y'all have room for old TC's. Let me know when you want them and if we could get the other old TC's from the prior editors, the better. Thanks, Mark -Original Message- From: Butch Fralia [mailto:bfra...@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:36 PM To: 'Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith'; Alman, Mark @ IRP Cc: 'John P. Brooks'; 'Nico Escamilla'; 'David Locklear'; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion Mark, Did you get the e-mail I sent about having a forum set up on cavetexas.org? It's BBS and not a mailing list, are you to be a moderator and screen people as TSA members? Butch -Original Message- From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 11:17 AM To: Alman, Mark @ IRP Cc: John P. Brooks; Nico Escamilla; David Locklear; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion I don't do the TSA website, I'll copy Butch and Pete on this and see what they say about it. Putting up the old issues would be great in my opinion. Thanks! Charles Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote: Good to hear, Charles. I think a Members Only section would be great, as well as a link/plug for CaveTex and how to join, what it is, etc. Would there be adequate server space for old issues
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Technically it's online now but I need to work out a couple of bugs, I've set up a couple of forums but never as a sub-domain. There's a few errors popping up when you log on. I also need to change the PHPBB logo out with a TSA logo. It shouldn't take long. Butch -Original Message- From: John P Brooks [mailto:jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 2:53 PM To: bfra...@charter.net; 'Alman, Mark @ IRP'; 'Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith' Cc: 'John P. Brooks'; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion coolwhen can it be on-line ? jb Butch Fralia bfra...@charter.net wrote: Sorry, I thought I sent the link: HYPERLINK http://forum.cavetexas.org/http://forum.cavetexas.org it's not linked from the main website yet and it's set up in a subdomain. A subsite of the TSA website. It looks like I got finished with the TSS stuff earlier than expected so I've got a little time this week. A client just called so I'll have to break and take care of them but it shouldn't be long. I set up some categories and forums to start with. I've set up the registration where an admin will have to validate the users. I just registered myself and that works. Butch -Original Message- From: Alman, Mark @ IRP [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 7:28 AM To: bfra...@charter.net; Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith Cc: John P. Brooks; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion All, my questions and comments are below: -Original Message- From: Butch Fralia [HYPERLINK mailto:bfra...@charter.netmailto:bfra...@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 3:25 PM To: Alman, Mark @ IRP; 'Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith' Cc: 'John P. Brooks'; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion The first thing I need you to do is go out to the site and register so I can set you up as administrator/moderator. How do I do this or is it not set up yet? I was unable to locate it on the webpage. We'll need to get rid of the test forums that are in place and set up the forums like you'll want them. Do we want to let non-members read the forums, some of the forums or block all access for non-registered users. I'll have the registrations forward to you and you'll have to check them against your list and approve them. It's up to y'all, but my feeling is to let non-members be able to read them, but, you must be a paid and registered TSA member to post or reply. Also, I think the way the Maverick Grotto does their newsletters is good, in that, you must be a paid member to look at the most recent TC's. If you're not a paid Member, maybe we can let them look at the 1st quarter issue. Charles suggested that the TC's could be downloadable by members only through the BBS software. I think that's doable but will have to check up on it. You can check out texascaving.com for forum examples. We'll probably want to have a rules section that anyone can read. Again I probably can't do much with it this week but wanted you to be thinking about it. Butch Finally, do we want to have sub-sections in the forums sections, i.e., project section, trip section, Grotto section, TSA Business section, etc. or is this too much? However y'all want to do it and thanks so much, Butch and Pete, for undertaking this challenging and, hopefully, groundbreaking task for the TSA! Mark -Original Message- From: Alman, Mark @ IRP [HYPERLINK mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.commailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 2:51 PM To: bfra...@charter.net; Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith Cc: John P. Brooks; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion Yes, I did, Butch and I think it's a great idea, especially if it helps the TSA be more of a full service website. I have no problem with being the moderator, if this is OK with John and everyone else. Just let me know what I need to do and I can send you the members list, or they can apply for access and I approve? Is this how it would work? I'm also glad to hear that y'all have room for old TC's. Let me know when you want them and if we could get the other old TC's from the prior editors, the better. Thanks, Mark -Original Message- From: Butch Fralia [HYPERLINK mailto:bfra...@charter.netmailto:bfra...@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:36 PM To: 'Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith'; Alman, Mark @ IRP Cc: 'John P. Brooks'; 'Nico Escamilla'; 'David Locklear'; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion Mark, Did you get the e-mail I sent about having a forum set up on cavetexas.org? It's BBS and not a mailing list, are you to be a moderator and screen people as TSA members? Butch -Original Message- From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith [HYPERLINK mailto:wo
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I just registered, Butch, and it looks great! Thanks to you and Pete for setting this up. Mark From: Butch Fralia [mailto:bfra...@charter.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 3:01 PM To: 'John P Brooks'; Alman, Mark @ IRP; 'Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith' Cc: webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion Technically it's online now but I need to work out a couple of bugs, I've set up a couple of forums but never as a sub-domain. There's a few errors popping up when you log on. I also need to change the PHPBB logo out with a TSA logo. It shouldn't take long. Butch -Original Message- From: John P Brooks [mailto:jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 2:53 PM To: bfra...@charter.net; 'Alman, Mark @ IRP'; 'Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith' Cc: 'John P. Brooks'; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion coolwhen can it be on-line ? jb Butch Fralia bfra...@charter.net wrote: Sorry, I thought I sent the link: http://forum.cavetexas.org http://forum.cavetexas.org/ it's not linked from the main website yet and it's set up in a subdomain. A subsite of the TSA website. It looks like I got finished with the TSS stuff earlier than expected so I've got a little time this week. A client just called so I'll have to break and take care of them but it shouldn't be long. I set up some categories and forums to start with. I've set up the registration where an admin will have to validate the users. I just registered myself and that works. Butch -Original Message- From: Alman, Mark @ IRP [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 7:28 AM To: bfra...@charter.net; Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith Cc: John P. Brooks; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion All, my questions and comments are below: -Original Message- From: Butch Fralia [mailto:bfra...@charter.net mailto:bfra...@charter.net ] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 3:25 PM To: Alman, Mark @ IRP; 'Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith' Cc: 'John P. Brooks'; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion The first thing I need you to do is go out to the site and register so I can set you up as administrator/moderator. How do I do this or is it not set up yet? I was unable to locate it on the webpage. We'll need to get rid of the test forums that are in place and set up the forums like you'll want them. Do we want to let non-members read the forums, some of the forums or block all access for non-registered users. I'll have the registrations forward to you and you'll have to check them against your list and approve them. It's up to y'all, but my feeling is to let non-members be able to read them, but, you must be a paid and registered TSA member to post or reply. Also, I think the way the Maverick Grotto does their newsletters is good, in that, you must be a paid member to look at the most recent TC's. If you're not a paid Member, maybe we can let them look at the 1st quarter issue. Charles suggested that the TC's could be downloadable by members only through the BBS software. I think that's doable but will have to check up on it. You can check out texascaving.com for forum examples. We'll probably want to have a rules section that anyone can read. Again I probably can't do much with it this week but wanted you to be thinking about it. Butch Finally, do we want to have sub-sections in the forums sections, i.e., project section, trip section, Grotto section, TSA Business section, etc. or is this too much? However y'all want to do it and thanks so much, Butch and Pete, for undertaking this challenging and, hopefully, groundbreaking task for the TSA! Mark -Original Message- From: Alman, Mark @ IRP [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com mailto:mark.al...@l
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So when are you going to announce it to the hordes? Alman, Mark @ IRP mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: I just registered, Butch, and it looks great! Thanks to you and Pete for setting this up. Mark - From: Butch Fralia [mailto:bfra...@charter.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 3:01 PM To: 'John P Brooks'; Alman, Mark @ IRP; 'Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith' Cc: webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion Technically it's online now but I need to work out a couple of bugs, I've set up a couple of forums but never as a sub-domain. There's a few errors popping up when you log on. I also need to change the PHPBB logo out with a TSA logo. It shouldn't take long. Butch -Original Message- From: John P Brooks [mailto:jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 2:53 PM To: bfra...@charter.net; 'Alman, Mark @ IRP'; 'Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith' Cc: 'John P. Brooks'; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion coolwhen can it be on-line ? jb Butch Fralia bfra...@charter.net wrote: Sorry, I thought I sent the link: http://forum.cavetexas.org it's not linked from the main website yet and it's set up in a subdomain. A subsite of the TSA website. It looks like I got finished with the TSS stuff earlier than expected so I've got a little time this week. A client just called so I'll have to break and take care of them but it shouldn't be long. I set up some categories and forums to start with. I've set up the registration where an admin will have to validate the users. I just registered myself and that works. Butch -Original Message- From: Alman, Mark @ IRP [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 7:28 AM To: bfra...@charter.net; Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith Cc: John P. Brooks; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion All, my questions and comments are below: -Original Message- From: Butch Fralia [mailto:bfra...@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 3:25 PM To: Alman, Mark @ IRP; 'Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith' Cc: 'John P. Brooks'; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion The first thing I need you to do is go out to the site and register so I can set you up as administrator/moderator. How do I do this or is it not set up yet? I was unable to locate it on the webpage. We'll need to get rid of the test forums that are in place and set up the forums like you'll want them. Do we want to let non-members read the forums, some of the forums or block all access for non-registered users. I'll have the registrations forward to you and you'll have to check them against your list and approve them. It's up to y'all, but my feeling is to let non-members be able to read them, but, you must be a paid and registered TSA member to post or reply. Also, I think the way the Maverick Grotto does their newsletters is good, in that, you must be a paid member to look at the most recent TC's. If you're not a paid Member, maybe we can let them look at the 1st quarter issue. Charles suggested that the TC's could be downloadable by members only through the BBS software. I think that's doable but will have to check up on it. You can check out texascaving.com for forum examples. We'll probably want to have a rules section that anyone can read. Again I probably can't do much with it this week but wanted you to be thinking about it. Butch Finally, do we want to have sub-sections in the forums sections, i.e., project section, trip section, Grotto section, TSA Business section, etc. or is this too much? However y'all want to do it and thanks so much, Butch and Pete, for undertaking this challenging and, hopefully, groundbreaking task for the TSA! Mark -Original Message- From: Alman, Mark @ IRP [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 2:51 PM To: bfra...@charter.net; Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith Cc: John P. Brooks; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion Yes, I did, Butch and I think it's a great idea, especially if it helps the TSA be more of a full service website. I have no problem with being the moderator, if this is OK with John and everyone else. Just let me know what I need to do and I can send you the members list, or they can apply for access and I approve? Is this how it would work? I'm also glad to hear that y'all have room for old TC's. Let me know when you want them and if we could get the other old TC's from the prior editors, the better. Thanks, Mark -Original Message- From: Butch Fralia [mailto:bfra...@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 05
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Not ready to announce just yet! Wait! Probably next week some time. Butch -Original Message- From: John P Brooks [mailto:jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 4:40 PM To: Alman, Mark @ IRP; bfra...@charter.net; Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith Cc: webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion So when are you going to announce it to the hordes? Alman, Mark @ IRP mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: I just registered, Butch, and it looks great! Thanks to you and Pete for setting this up. Mark _ From: Butch Fralia [mailto:bfra...@charter.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 3:01 PM To: 'John P Brooks'; Alman, Mark @ IRP; 'Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith' Cc: webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion Technically it's online now but I need to work out a couple of bugs, I've set up a couple of forums but never as a sub-domain. There's a few errors popping up when you log on. I also need to change the PHPBB logo out with a TSA logo. It shouldn't take long. Butch -Original Message- From: John P Brooks [mailto:jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 2:53 PM To: bfra...@charter.net; 'Alman, Mark @ IRP'; 'Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith' Cc: 'John P. Brooks'; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion coolwhen can it be on-line ? jb Butch Fralia bfra...@charter.net wrote: Sorry, I thought I sent the link: HYPERLINK http://forum.cavetexas.org/http://forum.cavetexas.org it's not linked from the main website yet and it's set up in a subdomain. A subsite of the TSA website. It looks like I got finished with the TSS stuff earlier than expected so I've got a little time this week. A client just called so I'll have to break and take care of them but it shouldn't be long. I set up some categories and forums to start with. I've set up the registration where an admin will have to validate the users. I just registered myself and that works. Butch -Original Message- From: Alman, Mark @ IRP [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 7:28 AM To: bfra...@charter.net; Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith Cc: John P. Brooks; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion All, my questions and comments are below: -Original Message- From: Butch Fralia [HYPERLINK mailto:bfra...@charter.netmailto:bfra...@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 3:25 PM To: Alman, Mark @ IRP; 'Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith' Cc: 'John P. Brooks'; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion The first thing I need you to do is go out to the site and register so I can set you up as administrator/moderator. How do I do this or is it not set up yet? I was unable to locate it on the webpage. We'll need to get rid of the test forums that are in place and set up the forums like you'll want them. Do we want to let non-members read the forums, some of the forums or block all access for non-registered users. I'll have the registrations forward to you and you'll have to check them against your list and approve them. It's up to y'all, but my feeling is to let non-members be able to read them, but, you must be a paid and registered TSA member to post or reply. Also, I think the way the Maverick Grotto does their newsletters is good, in that, you must be a paid member to look at the most recent TC's. If you're not a paid Member, maybe we can let them look at the 1st quarter issue. Charles suggested that the TC's could be downloadable by members only through the BBS software. I think that's doable but will have to check up on it. You can check out texascaving.com for forum examples. We'll probably want to have a rules section that anyone can read. Again I probably can't do much with it this week but wanted you to be thinking about it. Butch Finally, do we want to have sub-sections in the forums sections, i.e., project section, trip section, Grotto section, TSA Business section, etc. or is this too much? However y'all want to do it and thanks so much, Butch and Pete, for undertaking this challenging and, hopefully, groundbreaking task for the TSA! Mark -Original Message- From: Alman, Mark @ IRP [HYPERLINK mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.commailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 2:51 PM To: bfra...@charter.net; Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith Cc: John P. Brooks; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion Yes, I did, Butch and I think it's a great idea, especially if it helps the TSA be more of a full service website. I have no problem with being the moderator, if this is OK with John and everyone else. Just let me know what I need to do and I can send you the members list, or they can apply for access and I approve? Is this how
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The hordes are notified! If you're getting your texascaver messages you'll see that I went ahead and announced the forum. I also put a link in the announcements section of the home page. I expect there will be more flack about it on the list than there will be actually usage but I hope I'm wrong. I'm pretty impressed with the TSA website traffic - 579 unique/709 total visitors (1:30 PM) - for this month. Seems like there's a lot of people finding the histo page from Google. Besides the home page, it's the most looked at page, followed by that activities newsletter. A lot of people looking at the different Mexico pages. Butch -Original Message- From: John P Brooks [mailto:jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 4:40 PM To: Alman, Mark @ IRP; bfra...@charter.net; Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith Cc: webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion So when are you going to announce it to the hordes? Alman, Mark @ IRP mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: I just registered, Butch, and it looks great! Thanks to you and Pete for setting this up. Mark _ From: Butch Fralia [mailto:bfra...@charter.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 3:01 PM To: 'John P Brooks'; Alman, Mark @ IRP; 'Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith' Cc: webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion Technically it's online now but I need to work out a couple of bugs, I've set up a couple of forums but never as a sub-domain. There's a few errors popping up when you log on. I also need to change the PHPBB logo out with a TSA logo. It shouldn't take long. Butch -Original Message- From: John P Brooks [mailto:jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 2:53 PM To: bfra...@charter.net; 'Alman, Mark @ IRP'; 'Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith' Cc: 'John P. Brooks'; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion coolwhen can it be on-line ? jb Butch Fralia bfra...@charter.net wrote: Sorry, I thought I sent the link: HYPERLINK http://forum.cavetexas.org/http://forum.cavetexas.org it's not linked from the main website yet and it's set up in a subdomain. A subsite of the TSA website. It looks like I got finished with the TSS stuff earlier than expected so I've got a little time this week. A client just called so I'll have to break and take care of them but it shouldn't be long. I set up some categories and forums to start with. I've set up the registration where an admin will have to validate the users. I just registered myself and that works. Butch -Original Message- From: Alman, Mark @ IRP [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 7:28 AM To: bfra...@charter.net; Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith Cc: John P. Brooks; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion All, my questions and comments are below: -Original Message- From: Butch Fralia [HYPERLINK mailto:bfra...@charter.netmailto:bfra...@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 3:25 PM To: Alman, Mark @ IRP; 'Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith' Cc: 'John P. Brooks'; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion The first thing I need you to do is go out to the site and register so I can set you up as administrator/moderator. How do I do this or is it not set up yet? I was unable to locate it on the webpage. We'll need to get rid of the test forums that are in place and set up the forums like you'll want them. Do we want to let non-members read the forums, some of the forums or block all access for non-registered users. I'll have the registrations forward to you and you'll have to check them against your list and approve them. It's up to y'all, but my feeling is to let non-members be able to read them, but, you must be a paid and registered TSA member to post or reply. Also, I think the way the Maverick Grotto does their newsletters is good, in that, you must be a paid member to look at the most recent TC's. If you're not a paid Member, maybe we can let them look at the 1st quarter issue. Charles suggested that the TC's could be downloadable by members only through the BBS software. I think that's doable but will have to check up on it. You can check out texascaving.com for forum examples. We'll probably want to have a rules section that anyone can read. Again I probably can't do much with it this week but wanted you to be thinking about it. Butch Finally, do we want to have sub-sections in the forums sections, i.e., project section, trip section, Grotto section, TSA Business section, etc. or is this too much? However y'all want to do it and thanks so much, Butch and Pete, for undertaking this challenging and, hopefully, groundbreaking task for the TSA! Mark -Original Message- From: Alman, Mark @ IRP [HYPERLINK mailto:mark.al...@l
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Mark, David, both are very good ideas. Our wonderful cavetex (texascavers) mailing list is hosted by myself, which has no affiliation with the TSA at all, other than being a member. But as a member, I'm here to help out as necessary. I do have the skills and ability to host another forum for discussion, be it members of TSA only or an opt-in list for direct TSA discussions. We can do this via mailing list, or by a web based forum, for bulletin board system. This can be done quickly, easily and at no cost. Anyone that wants to discuss it, contact me off-list. Charles Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote: Superior write-up, thanks for posting it! I'll add my 1/50th of a dollar below, plus a proposal I have. *From:* David Locklear [mailto:dlocklea...@ev1.net] *Sent:* Friday, September 01, 2006 7:25 AM *To:* Cavetex *Subject:* [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion I believe the TSA is at a cross-roads. It has been there before, probably many times. There are issues that I believe need to be discussed. I believe the best way to do that is on the internet on a forum separate but similar to Cavetex. There are some drawbacks to this.For example, the e-mail box clutter. And who is going to maintain it?I do not have the computer skills, to volunteer for that. *Since Andy G. and I have access to and maintain the TSA members list (Andy as Secretary and myself as the TC Editor), I am* *volunteering to start/moderate/maintain a user group * *for all _PAID _TSA members that are interested in the friendly, positive, and congenial* *free exchange of ideas and thoughts on the ideals of cave conservation, caving, events, projects, and camarderie that the TSA represents.* ** *Think of this group as an amiable gathering of like-minded friends from around this far-flung state, who have chosen to congregate around the proverbial * *electronic campfire of cyberspace for a free exchange of dialogue on how to take the TSA into the future, much like my favorite memories of gathering * *around the fire pits at CBSP and Kickapoo Caverns after a hard day of mapping, surveying, brushwalking, etc. * ** *Negative and hostile thinkers, rock throwers, gossipers, backbiters, anyone who is antagonistic/caustic/cantankerous, arsonists (folks who enjoy throwing a can of gas on the fire to incite flame wars and then stand back to watch), or folks who dwell on the he said/she said someone done somebody wrong songs of 1, 5, 10, 20 years ago* *need not apply.* *CaveTex is a great way for all cavers of all interests and affiliations throughout the state to converse, wisecrack, announce projects, and to generally BS.* ** *This new group would not take away from that. It would just eliminate folks that have nothing to bring to the TSA table or else they'd be members.* I believe someday that you will hear cavers discuss topics concerning the future of the TSA. For example, back in the good ole days, people showed their caving photos to people in slide shows. Soon you will e-mail your slideshows, and we will all have giant plasma screens to view the photos in the privacy of our home, while sitting on a soft leather recliner. We will have video-conferencing to hold meetings.We won't need to drive across Texas to hold the convention.We will have web-conventions. I am willing to go so far as to say that by 2030, we will all laugh at the idea of holding an outdoor convention. How many of us will be still be around in 2030. I will only be a young 66, so for me it is something to that is plausible.I think if it is still done, it will only be for nostalgia's sake, like when we go caving with carbide. *The advent of elctronics and the 'Net is the reason, David, that I firmly believe that the conventions, events, and projects that the TSA promotes that brings cavers face-to-face are all the more vital and important. * ** *This from a longtime caver who just attended his first convention this year!* ** *I love email, but, people are much less reluctant to issue disparaging remarks if that person is right in front of them. Email and the 'Net make it too easy issue to trash someone or to send an email or remark that is interpreted the wrong way.* ** *Does the TSA have issues and the occasional dysfunctional family moment, as my lovely wife likes to call them? * ** *Heck, yes, but which family out there doesn't?! You just don't throw the baby out with the bath water.* ** ** *Can these issues be worked thru and rectified? Sure and I think a dedicated TSA user group is a good first step.* ** ** *Who's with me and whadda y'all think?* ** ** ** *Mark Alman* ** ** ** ** ** **
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Sounds good, let me know if you need any help. Charles, We're moving the TSA website to a new hosting company, for a number of reasons, not the least of which is better statistics to see how many people are actually using this thing. It has PHPBB available for install so it would be directly attached to TexasCavers.org. I've set up two or three of these and as you know it isn't a big deal. Mark could moderate the whole thing! Butch -Original Message- From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 12:13 PM To: Alman, Mark @ IRP Cc: David Locklear; Cavetex Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion Mark, David, both are very good ideas. Our wonderful cavetex (texascavers) mailing list is hosted by myself, which has no affiliation with the TSA at all, other than being a member. But as a member, I'm here to help out as necessary. I do have the skills and ability to host another forum for discussion, be it members of TSA only or an opt-in list for direct TSA discussions. We can do this via mailing list, or by a web based forum, for bulletin board system. This can be done quickly, easily and at no cost. Anyone that wants to discuss it, contact me off-list. Charles Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote: Superior write-up, thanks for posting it! I'll add my 1/50th of a dollar below, plus a proposal I have. -- -- *From:* David Locklear [mailto:dlocklea...@ev1.net] *Sent:* Friday, September 01, 2006 7:25 AM *To:* Cavetex *Subject:* [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion I believe the TSA is at a cross-roads. It has been there before, probably many times. There are issues that I believe need to be discussed. I believe the best way to do that is on the internet on a forum separate but similar to Cavetex. There are some drawbacks to this.For example, the e-mail box clutter. And who is going to maintain it?I do not have the computer skills, to volunteer for that. *Since Andy G. and I have access to and maintain the TSA members list (Andy as Secretary and myself as the TC Editor), I am* *volunteering to start/moderate/maintain a user group * *for all _PAID _TSA members that are interested in the friendly, positive, and congenial* *free exchange of ideas and thoughts on the ideals of cave conservation, caving, events, projects, and camarderie that the TSA represents.* ** *Think of this group as an amiable gathering of like-minded friends from around this far-flung state, who have chosen to congregate around the proverbial * *electronic campfire of cyberspace for a free exchange of dialogue on how to take the TSA into the future, much like my favorite memories of gathering * *around the fire pits at CBSP and Kickapoo Caverns after a hard day of mapping, surveying, brushwalking, etc. * ** *Negative and hostile thinkers, rock throwers, gossipers, backbiters, anyone who is antagonistic/caustic/cantankerous, arsonists (folks who enjoy throwing a can of gas on the fire to incite flame wars and then stand back to watch), or folks who dwell on the he said/she said someone done somebody wrong songs of 1, 5, 10, 20 years ago* *need not apply.* *CaveTex is a great way for all cavers of all interests and affiliations throughout the state to converse, wisecrack, announce projects, and to generally BS.* ** *This new group would not take away from that. It would just eliminate folks that have nothing to bring to the TSA table or else they'd be members.* I believe someday that you will hear cavers discuss topics concerning the future of the TSA. For example, back in the good ole days, people showed their caving photos to people in slide shows. Soon you will e-mail your slideshows, and we will all have giant plasma screens to view the photos in the privacy of our home, while sitting on a soft leather recliner. We will have video-conferencing to hold meetings.We won't need to drive across Texas to hold the convention.We will have web-conventions. I am willing to go so far as to say that by 2030, we will all laugh at the idea of holding an outdoor convention. How many of us will be still be around in 2030. I will only be a young 66, so for me it is something to that is plausible.I think if it is still done, it will only be for nostalgia's sake, like when we go caving with carbide. *The advent of elctronics and the 'Net is the reason, David, that I firmly believe that the conventions, events, and projects that the TSA promotes that brings cavers face-to-face are all the more vital and important. * ** *This from a longtime caver who just attended his first convention this year!* ** *I love email, but, people are much less reluctant to issue disparaging remarks if that person is right in front of them. Email and the 'Net
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Yes, with most forum software, especially phpbb, having a public section and a members only section would be very easy. I understand that Butch and Pete are working on some new things for the TSA site. It's in very capable hands. I would prefer to see this type of system set up on the TSA website. It would draw cavers to our website...and create a way for the TSA to more effectively communicate with its members...and its prospective member base. And members and prospective members would have an opportunity to see and explore the wealth of information on our website. And the increased traffic might supply the traffic for an on line store. Everyone says they want a stronger more active TSA that does a number of new things for its members...so its time that we gave the TSA the tools it needs to reach out and grow. I acknowledge what a wonderful tool cavetex has been for Texas Cavers. And Charles and Bill desire our gratitude for keeping this going. But if you guys want a vibrant organization...we need to make decisions beneficial to that end. And I believe we can allow access to the discussion forum to anyone we want...members and non-membersso Nico will not be left out. On 9/1/06 1:14 PM, Nico Escamilla pitboun...@gmail.com wrote: I believe the PHPbb software is free, it would be neat to have such discussion board, whats not so neat tho is that I'm gonna be left out cause I'm not a TSA member but oh well. here are some discussion boards using PHPbb www.texascaving.com http://www.texascaving.com site by chris saizan www.cavechat.org http://www.cavechat.org the NSS official discussion board maintained by Wayne Harrison from CO Nico On 9/1/06, Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote: Mark, David, both are very good ideas. Our wonderful cavetex (texascavers) mailing list is hosted by myself, which has no affiliation with the TSA at all, other than being a member. But as a member, I'm here to help out as necessary. I do have the skills and ability to host another forum for discussion, be it members of TSA only or an opt-in list for direct TSA discussions. We can do this via mailing list, or by a web based forum, for bulletin board system. This can be done quickly, easily and at no cost. Anyone that wants to discuss it, contact me off-list. Charles Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote: Superior write-up, thanks for posting it! I'll add my 1/50th of a dollar below, plus a proposal I have. *From:* David Locklear [mailto:dlocklea...@ev1.net] *Sent:* Friday, September 01, 2006 7:25 AM *To:* Cavetex *Subject:* [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion I believe the TSA is at a cross-roads. It has been there before, probably many times. There are issues that I believe need to be discussed. I believe the best way to do that is on the internet on a forum separate but similar to Cavetex. There are some drawbacks to this.For example, the e-mail box clutter. And who is going to maintain it?I do not have the computer skills, to volunteer for that. *Since Andy G. and I have access to and maintain the TSA members list (Andy as Secretary and myself as the TC Editor), I am* *volunteering to start/moderate/maintain a user group * *for all _PAID _TSA members that are interested in the friendly, positive, and congenial* *free exchange of ideas and thoughts on the ideals of cave conservation, caving, events, projects, and camarderie that the TSA represents.* ** *Think of this group as an amiable gathering of like-minded friends from around this far-flung state, who have chosen to congregate around the proverbial * *electronic campfire of cyberspace for a free exchange of dialogue on how to take the TSA into the future, much like my favorite memories of gathering * *around the fire pits at CBSP and Kickapoo Caverns after a hard day of mapping, surveying, brushwalking, etc. * ** *Negative and hostile thinkers, rock throwers, gossipers, backbiters, anyone who is antagonistic/caustic/cantankerous, arsonists (folks who enjoy throwing a can of gas on the fire to incite flame wars and then stand back to watch), or folks who dwell on the he said/she said someone done somebody wrong songs of 1, 5, 10, 20 years ago* *need not apply.* *CaveTex is a great way for all cavers of all interests and affiliations throughout the state to converse, wisecrack, announce projects, and to generally BS.* ** *This new group would not take away from that. It would just eliminate folks that have nothing to bring to the TSA table or else they'd be members.* I believe someday that you will hear cavers discuss topics concerning the future of the TSA. For example, back in the good ole days, people showed their caving photos to people in slide shows. Soon
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I don't do the TSA website, I'll copy Butch and Pete on this and see what they say about it. Putting up the old issues would be great in my opinion. Thanks! Charles Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote: Good to hear, Charles. I think a Members Only section would be great, as well as a link/plug for CaveTex and how to join, what it is, etc. Would there be adequate server space for old issues of the Texas Caver? It's up to y'all/membership if we'd want to put these in the Members Only section, but, I have pdf's of all the ones I've done. Some good thoughts and discussions going on, and, hey, they're actually constructive AND positive! Keep up the great work on CaveTex and the TSA site! Later, Mark -Original Message- From: wo...@justfamily.org [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 1:21 AM To: John P. Brooks Cc: Nico Escamilla; Alman, Mark @ IRP; David Locklear Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion Yes, with most forum software, especially phpbb, having a public section and a members only section would be very easy. I understand that Butch and Pete are working on some new things for the TSA site. It's in very capable hands. I would prefer to see this type of system set up on the TSA website. It would draw cavers to our website...and create a way for the TSA to more effectively communicate with its members...and its prospective member base. And members and prospective members would have an opportunity to see and explore the wealth of information on our website. And the increased traffic might supply the traffic for an on line store. Everyone says they want a stronger more active TSA that does a number of new things for its members...so its time that we gave the TSA the tools it needs to reach out and grow. I acknowledge what a wonderful tool cavetex has been for Texas Cavers. And Charles and Bill desire our gratitude for keeping this going. But if you guys want a vibrant organization...we need to make decisions beneficial to that end.
Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion
Butch, why not just set aside a section in the forums for the newsletters, control access via the forum permissions. I think there is even an addon for phpbb for file archives, but don't hold me to that. Butch Fralia wrote: We have plenty of space 1500MB and more bandwidth that we'll need. Can we get the back issues in PDF format or I can make PDF's for the issues that were done in MS-Publisher. Older caver's I'd put in a public area where anyone can get to them. We can set an aging limit to what's public; six months, a year? The ANL is certainly public. We can have a members area (if you're not in a hurry). It would require so PHP programming that I can do. The problem could be a database for it. If we have the BBS/Forum, it runs off a database and has a user table. The Store also has a registration area and is on a separate database. Unless I write some special interface, there's the opportunity to have even a 3rd database and user registration table. Butch -Original Message- From: Pete Lindsley [mailto:linds...@raytheon.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 12:20 PM To: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith Cc: Alman, Mark @ IRP; John P. Brooks; Nico Escamilla; David Locklear; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion We have the room on the website. So we can talk about putting up both pictures and back issues of the TC! - Pete Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith wrote: I don't do the TSA website, I'll copy Butch and Pete on this and see what they say about it. Putting up the old issues would be great in my opinion. Thanks! Charles Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote: Good to hear, Charles. I think a Members Only section would be great, as well as a link/plug for CaveTex and how to join, what it is, etc. Would there be adequate server space for old issues of the Texas Caver? It's up to y'all/membership if we'd want to put these in the Members Only section, but, I have pdf's of all the ones I've done. Some good thoughts and discussions going on, and, hey, they're actually constructive AND positive! Keep up the great work on CaveTex and the TSA site! Later, Mark -Original Message- From: wo...@justfamily.org [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 1:21 AM To: John P. Brooks Cc: Nico Escamilla; Alman, Mark @ IRP; David Locklear Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion Yes, with most forum software, especially phpbb, having a public section and a members only section would be very easy. I understand that Butch and Pete are working on some new things for the TSA site. It's in very capable hands. I would prefer to see this type of system set up on the TSA website. It would draw cavers to our website...and create a way for the TSA to more effectively communicate with its members...and its prospective member base. And members and prospective members would have an opportunity to see and explore the wealth of information on our website. And the increased traffic might supply the traffic for an on line store. Everyone says they want a stronger more active TSA that does a number of new things for its members...so its time that we gave the TSA the tools it needs to reach out and grow. I acknowledge what a wonderful tool cavetex has been for Texas Cavers. And Charles and Bill desire our gratitude for keeping this going. But if you guys want a vibrant organization...we need to make decisions beneficial to that end.
