[tw] Re: How well Tidlly scales?
What do you mean by loading time? The time it takes to load every Twiddle? Or an initial time to load the file (in which case it's amazing to download 17 MB in 30 secs) The latter. But I have to correct me: local file load time 8 sec, remote 1min 30 sec. Cheers Michael . On 8 Apr., 02:06, Dani Zobin danizo...@gmail.com wrote: Michael, thanks a lot for sharing this valuable information. What do you mean by loading time? The time it takes to load every Twiddle? Or an initial time to load the file (in which case it's amazing to download 17 MB in 30 secs) Have you considered trying your huge wiki on a different browser? And see if the saving problem persists? just for the sake of debugging this On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Michael.Tarnowski emt...@gmx.de wrote: 209 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
Re: [tw] Re: What's so special about Tiddly
For me its the ability to change TW without being a Computer Science specialist. Its about making my own tool to aid my own thinking. Also, I like community aspect, i read messages every day and enjoy reading about developments. There is a soap opera angle for me -- hope this does not sound so strange. I think TW has changed the way I think. I arrived at TW after using many tools - mindmaps and Compendium (an open university hypertext mapping project) The fact that TW works in the browser makes it easy to cut and paste from the internet is a big plus. Alex On 7 April 2011 13:20, Jeremy Ruston jeremy.rus...@gmail.com wrote: I'd maybe emphasise an aspect that Eric Shulman mentioned: with TiddlyWiki, you can control your own data much more directly than using a service like WordPress. Many TiddlyWiki users value features that emerge from this capability: the ability to keep documents TiddlyWikis private, the ability to add TiddlyWikis to source code control systems, the ability to email TiddlyWikis, or store them on a USB stick. In contrast, online services are often easier to use, but you have to trust the operators to look after your data. TiddlyWiki users can feel confident that their TiddlyWiki documents will still be accessible in the decades to come. Cheers Jeremy On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 4:43 AM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote: On Apr 6, 2011, at 7:50 PM, iain wrote: I use a version of No Brainer notes - I have a master formatted version which I copy every time I need a TW for note taking. I do the same with a slightly modified version of TWT-Blackicity-Lite, itself tweak of a TW-Treeview, both by Morris Gray. In addition to A Treeview menu it uses TiddlersBar and makes sophisticated use of tagging. -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:jer...@osmosoft.com http://www.tiddlywiki.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
Re: [tw] Re: What's so special about Tiddly
For me its the ability to change TW without being a Computer Science specialist. Its about making my own tool to aid my own thinking. Hey Alex, that's interesting. How that's? One of the prominent elements that I noticed during my short time in this list, is that people here seem to be JS/css developers, or half the way there, as this is what needed to twist the application (and it seems that everybody do it). Which is fine for me personally, but I did notice to myself that this is probably not an app for regular end users Also, I like community aspect, i read messages every day and enjoy reading about developments. There is a soap opera angle for me -- hope this does not sound so strange. I think TW has changed the way I think. I arrived at TW after using many tools - mindmaps and Compendium (an open university hypertext mapping project) The fact that TW works in the browser makes it easy to cut and paste from the internet is a big plus. Alex On 7 April 2011 13:20, Jeremy Ruston jeremy.rus...@gmail.com wrote: I'd maybe emphasise an aspect that Eric Shulman mentioned: with TiddlyWiki, you can control your own data much more directly than using a service like WordPress. Many TiddlyWiki users value features that emerge from this capability: the ability to keep documents TiddlyWikis private, the ability to add TiddlyWikis to source code control systems, the ability to email TiddlyWikis, or store them on a USB stick. In contrast, online services are often easier to use, but you have to trust the operators to look after your data. TiddlyWiki users can feel confident that their TiddlyWiki documents will still be accessible in the decades to come. Cheers Jeremy On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 4:43 AM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote: On Apr 6, 2011, at 7:50 PM, iain wrote: I use a version of No Brainer notes - I have a master formatted version which I copy every time I need a TW for note taking. I do the same with a slightly modified version of TWT-Blackicity-Lite, itself tweak of a TW-Treeview, both by Morris Gray. In addition to A Treeview menu it uses TiddlersBar and makes sophisticated use of tagging. -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:jer...@osmosoft.com http://www.tiddlywiki.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
Re: [tw] Re: What's so special about Tiddly
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Alex Hough r.a.ho...@gmail.com wrote: I think TW has changed the way I think. I arrived at TW after using many tools - mindmaps and Compendium (an open university hypertext mapping project) Now this is very interesting. Can you say more on this? Which aspects of TiddlyWiki changed the way you think? And how? I myself seek this kind of change. Actually I came to this tool (which I haven't adapt yet in practice), because I was seeking exactly this features , to organize my thought. (Extensive tagging, fast search, wikilinks, and besides those - one bucket for all) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
Re: [tw] Re: What's so special about Tiddly
Now this is very interesting. Can you say more on this? 1) Which aspects of TiddlyWiki changed the way you think? And how? Ideas in a stack, one on top of each other. The container of a thought having three elements, title, text and tags. TW introduced me to object orientatedness. Wiki as a hypertext tool - came across hypertext studying art (hyperlink the most exciting to happen to text since punctuation - Mark Berstein) . Convinced that writing hypertext links with punctuation - [[like this]] -- is the way to go. Brainstorming New Tiddler is always like 'the wet edge' (metaphor of painting a door : always keep a wet edge ensures you have smooth edge - family folk law). I like MPTW's newMeansNew - but only having one new tiddler on the go at one time is a constraint that I like. Since I started playing with code, the idea of refactoring, re-writing at different levels of abstraction has leached into my note writing. I like to think that learning about writing code has made my writing and thinking clearer. I use Firefox extention Ubiquity. I can select a word, evoke ubiquity then search in the background in the tab to the right. This makes workflow - from note to search very quick, and doing this in the background prevents interruptions to my flow. The workflow -- reviewing my open tabs when there are too many -- is something which fits with TW. which I have in the left hand side tab. Adaption I've moved the new tiddler button to the MainMenu, so that flow goes left to right. I've experimented with where I generate new thoughts from -- this would not be possible with another tool. At the moment I have a newHere button at the right of each tiddler and from the Tagging div. HyperText not MindMaps After a long period of chopping and changing, I think hypertext is better than visual and mapping arrangements. Visual representations tend to get driven by aesthetic considerations. Mindmaps: the links between objects are thin lines, you can't add info to them without them looking ugly, or re-drawing lines as object - it never feels right. The tags being tiddlers themselves makes the relationship between object and relationship seem more equal. i enjoy your question... i've not finsihed yet! ALex On 8 April 2011 11:31, Dani Zobin danizo...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Alex Hough r.a.ho...@gmail.com wrote: I think TW has changed the way I think. I arrived at TW after using many tools - mindmaps and Compendium (an open university hypertext mapping project) Now this is very interesting. Can you say more on this? Which aspects of TiddlyWiki changed the way you think? And how? I myself seek this kind of change. Actually I came to this tool (which I haven't adapt yet in practice), because I was seeking exactly this features , to organize my thought. (Extensive tagging, fast search, wikilinks, and besides those - one bucket for all) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Refresh on TiddlySpace
Story.prototype.loadMissingTiddler is probably what you want. The
RefreshTiddlerCommand plugin in every default space would also be a
good reference.
On Apr 7, 3:39 pm, teukon teukon@gmail.com wrote:
I'm writing a macro for use on tiddlyspace and I'm trying to find a
way to get the text for a tiddler. I've tried
{{{
var latestText = tiddler.text;}}}
but this seems to try to get the text locally (and hence the text is
outdated). I'd like a way of fetching the latest version of the
tiddler from the server on tiddlyspace.com (like the refresh button
above a tiddler does).
I've looked through the source code for tiddlywiki but it didn't help
me. I've also tried
{{{
story.refreshTiddler(tiddler.title,1,true);}}}
and
{{{
refreshAll();}}}
before using tiddler.text but to no avail.
Any ideas?
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[tw] Re: How to Insert a Tiddlers Name in a Macro?
Thanks for the help Pmario and Whatever
The Match tags plugin seems to be the most proposing way.
But I am still fighting with the syntax:
You'll need a template eg:
[[myTemplate]]
list filter [tag[$1 AND $2]][sort[title]]
Do you mean I need a new tiddler called myTemplate? Do I need to tag it
in a special way to make it work?
call it like
[[Körper]]
tiddler myTemplate with: {{tiddler.title}} Gestaltungsaufgabe
Do you mean i have to put this line into the Tiddler [[Körper]]?
I tried this out and so far it doesn't work. What have I misunderstood?
If you have [[Tags with spaces]] the whole thing will be a little bit
trickier.
===
If you use matchTags the mechanism will be the same. Info about the
syntax is at [2].
have fun!
mario
[1] http://www.tiddlytools.com/#MatchTagsPlugin
[2] http://www.tiddlytools.com/#MatchTagsPluginInfo
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[tw] Re: How well Tidlly scales?
my cmdb, 1 master file with the structure (page templates, report structure, etc), 8 includes files with effective tiddlers (around 6400 in total) I load it regularly form my laptop or from a nginx powered server 10 sec for the first screen with FF4 from local drive, and 20 sec for total load 15 sec for the first screen with FF4 from server and 30sec for total load This is due to the include mechanism. so the end-user doesn't seems to wait too long . I've tested the load of the full aggregate file from server, it take 3min Split is one good solution to emulate speed ph koenig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: EditFieldPlugin doesn't handle non-existent fields or text correctly in Chrome Browser?
In Chrome, if foobar doesn't exist, a field will be created in SomeTiddler, but it will be called null. 2. Trying the macro edit text@SomeTiddler in Chrome results in the entire contents of SomeTiddler being entered as the contents of a newly created field in SomeTiddler called null. Investigating... I'll post a follow-up when I have an answer... -e -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: How to Insert a Tiddlers Name in a Macro?
The Match tags plugin seems to be the most proposing way.
But I am still fighting with the syntax:
You'll need a template eg:
[[myTemplate]]
list filter [tag[$1 AND $2]][sort[title]]
Do you mean I need a new tiddler called myTemplate? Do I need to tag it
in a special way to make it work?
call it like
[[K rper]]
tiddler myTemplate with: {{tiddler.title}} Gestaltungsaufgabe
Do you mean i have to put this line into the Tiddler [[K rper]]?
PMario's example uses tiddler transclusion to embed content from one
tiddler into another, with automatic *substitution* of $1, $2, $3,
etc. markers with specified parameter values.
Thus, if TiddlerA contains
list filter [tag[$1 AND $2]][sort[title]]
You can transclude it into another tiddler by embedding
tiddler TiddlerA with: foo bar
which results in
list filter [tag[foo AND bar]][sort[title]]
being rendered.
(note: *no* special tags are needed... they are just regular content-
bearing tiddlers)
For your specific use-case, you need to pass in the title of the
current tiddler, which can be retrieved using an evaluated
parameter, which is a small fragment of javascript code, enclosed
within doubled-curly braces (e.g, {{...}}). When the macro is
processed, the code inside the braces is evaluated and the resulting
value is used as the parameter value.
By default, the TWCore defines a javascript object, 'tiddler', which
holds information about the current tiddler. The 'tiddler.title'
property is, of course, the title of the tiddler.
Thus, if you write:
tiddler TiddlerA with: {{tiddler.title}} bar
into SomeTiddler, the result would be as if you had typed:
tiddler TiddlerA with: SomeTiddler bar
which, given the definition in TiddlerA, produces
list filter [tag[SomeTiddler AND bar]][sort[title]]
The same results can also be achieved without transclusion, using only
an evaluated parameter, like this:
list filter {{[tag[+tiddler.title+ AND bar]][sort[title]]}}
Note the syntax for the evaluated parameter
{{...+tiddler.title+...}}
is both retrieving the tiddler title *and* contructing the entire tag
filter parameter value, using javascript string concatenation (the +
operator).
enjoy,
-e
Eric Shulman
TiddlyTools / ELS Design Studios
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Re: [tw] Re: What's so special about Tiddly
On Apr 8, 2011, at 6:24 AM, Dani Zobin wrote: Hey Alex, that's interesting. How that's? One of the prominent elements that I noticed during my short time in this list, is that people here seem to be JS/css developers, or half the way there, as this is what needed to twist the application (and it seems that everybody do it). Which is fine for me personally, but I did notice to myself that this is probably not an app for regular end users Unfortuknately, that seems to be true, but not necessary. What is needed is decent documentation, sufficient at least for getting potential adopters who are not developers, who are attracted by the potential practical applications of TiddlyWiki in their own work, over the hump of initial bafflement. Most of the available documentation, on the websites and in the PlugInInfo tiddlers that accompany many plugins, is as obscure as TiddlyWiki itself is to the potential non-developer adopter. E.g., some don't bother to mention dependencies on other readily available plugins. Sophisticated users, especially developers, are generally not good at writing documentation. What is needed is a writer who can put himself or herself in the position of a naive adopter. -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
Re: [tw] Re: How to Insert a Tiddlers Name in a Macro?
Thanks for this suberbe explanation Eric. Now it works. It serves my
purpose specified to obtain automated specified indexes very well!
Jan
Am 08.04.2011 19:13, schrieb Eric Shulman:
The Match tags plugin seems to be the most proposing way.
But I am still fighting with the syntax:
You'll need a template eg:
[[myTemplate]]
list filter [tag[$1 AND $2]][sort[title]]
Do you mean I need a new tiddler called myTemplate? Do I need to tag it
in a special way to make it work?
call it like
[[K rper]]
tiddler myTemplate with: {{tiddler.title}} Gestaltungsaufgabe
Do you mean i have to put this line into the Tiddler [[K rper]]?
PMario's example uses tiddler transclusion to embed content from one
tiddler into another, with automatic *substitution* of $1, $2, $3,
etc. markers with specified parameter values.
Thus, if TiddlerA contains
list filter [tag[$1 AND $2]][sort[title]]
You can transclude it into another tiddler by embedding
tiddler TiddlerA with: foo bar
which results in
list filter [tag[foo AND bar]][sort[title]]
being rendered.
(note: *no* special tags are needed... they are just regular content-
bearing tiddlers)
For your specific use-case, you need to pass in the title of the
current tiddler, which can be retrieved using an evaluated
parameter, which is a small fragment of javascript code, enclosed
within doubled-curly braces (e.g, {{...}}). When the macro is
processed, the code inside the braces is evaluated and the resulting
value is used as the parameter value.
By default, the TWCore defines a javascript object, 'tiddler', which
holds information about the current tiddler. The 'tiddler.title'
property is, of course, the title of the tiddler.
Thus, if you write:
tiddler TiddlerA with: {{tiddler.title}} bar
into SomeTiddler, the result would be as if you had typed:
tiddler TiddlerA with: SomeTiddler bar
which, given the definition in TiddlerA, produces
list filter [tag[SomeTiddler AND bar]][sort[title]]
The same results can also be achieved without transclusion, using only
an evaluated parameter, like this:
list filter {{[tag[+tiddler.title+ AND bar]][sort[title]]}}
Note the syntax for the evaluated parameter
{{...+tiddler.title+...}}
is both retrieving the tiddler title *and* contructing the entire tag
filter parameter value, using javascript string concatenation (the +
operator).
enjoy,
-e
Eric Shulman
TiddlyTools / ELS Design Studios
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[tw] Re: SearchOptionsPlugin: search results in tiddler
typo in SearchOptionsPlugin: diplay:block instead of display:block Write list to SearchResults tiddler (option chkSearchListTiddler) Using the latest version (v3.0.9), I could not find this checkbox anymore, but it is *still possible* to write the search results to a tiddler by creating option chkSearchListTiddler somewhere else and checking it. Typo and Configuration option have been fixed. Get the update (v3.0.10) here: http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#SearchOptionsPlugin http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#SearchOptionsPluginInfo -e -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: SearchOptionsPlugin: search results in tiddler
Thanks Eric, Ton On Apr 8, 7:56 pm, Eric Shulman elsdes...@gmail.com wrote: typo in SearchOptionsPlugin: diplay:block instead of display:block Write list to SearchResults tiddler (option chkSearchListTiddler) Using the latest version (v3.0.9), I could not find this checkbox anymore, but it is *still possible* to write the search results to a tiddler by creating option chkSearchListTiddler somewhere else and checking it. Typo and Configuration option have been fixed. Get the update (v3.0.10) here: http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#SearchOptionsPlugin http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#SearchOptionsPluginInfo -e -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: INTRO: Simplicity a TiddlySpace
On Apr 7, 12:47 pm, PMario pmari...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 6, 4:35 am, passingby passingby...@gmail.com wrote: How does one create or edit tiddlers in this kind of space? .. If you are logged in, you'll have a minimum interface in the top toolbar. [edit title] [edit subtitle] [new page] Strangely I cannot find any toolbar with these button even when I am logged in. I am using FF latest. Page names are automatically created and not displayed. Use !heading1 if you need a chapter title. If you have CammelCase in your text and click that. It will create a Tiddler as known from TW. In edit mode you have [done] [cancel] [delete] That's it. ..And how does one convert an existing space into this simplicity style/theme? There is no theme yet. What will you do with it, if I tell? have fun! -m -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
