Re: [tw] Re: On the fly completions/suggestions

[Alain Dutech]

@Danielo : yes, I though this up only after posting and agree that it is a
bit difficult. I don't know how much ressources wuold be eaten by parsing
the key pressed. I haven't tried codemirro. It would be a difficult task to
hack it ? What is the "default" editor used in TW (if any) ?

@Tobias : the toolbar (in the editor ?) would also be a nice idea, yep.
Especially if you had a "search form" where entering the first letter of a
tiddle gave the opportunity to add the link to this tiddler in the text.

Thanks, both of you, for these feedbacks.
Alain


On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 11:29 PM, Tobias Beer  wrote:

> I think I'd much rather prefer an extensible toolbar that allows inserting
> all kinds of content, e.g. macro skeletons.
>
> For example, with the ui to add a new tag being (a bit more of) a generic
> thing, it could be reused to...
>
>1. open the popup using an "insert link" button
>2. filter tiddler titles rather than just tags
>- perhaps with an option to search all tiddlers, including system &
>   shadows
>   3. insert a [[link]] at the end of the textfield
>
> Best wishes, Tobias.
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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki Hangout #69 on Tuesday 18th November at 4pm GMT

[PMario]

hi,
annotations: http://pmario.tiddlyspace.com/#2014-11-18-TW-hangout-69
video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlOSyUXAtoA

have fun!
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[tw] Re: [TW5] button formating

[PMario]

If you have a look at the button widget docs [1], you'll see, that it 
allows you to add a "class" parameter. 

eg: <$button message="tm-new-tiddler" param="TemplateTask" 
class="myButtonClass">New Task

then create a tiddler eg: myStyles and tag it: $:/tags/Stylesheet
content:

.myButtonClass {
  background: lightgreeen; 
}

have fun!
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[1] http://tiddlywiki.com/#ButtonWidget

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[tw] Re: [TW5][BUG] Camel case on system tiddlers

[PMario]

On Tuesday, November 18, 2014 10:34:17 PM UTC+1, Tobias Beer wrote:
>
> <>
>

 that's the same: 

<>
>

-m 

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[tw] Re: Auto link to file in Wiki folder

[Daniel Sandström]

Alright, that solved it. I wasn't aware of that but figured it must exist. 
Huge thank you.


*Solution"[img[Pictures/file.JPG]]"*

On Wednesday, November 19, 2014 9:45:27 AM UTC+2, Stephan Hradek wrote:
>
> Use relative paths like "Pictures/picturenam.png"
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] button formating

[Ton Gerner]

Correction: one 'e' less.
Use:

.myButtonClass {
  background: lightgreen; 
}

On Wednesday, November 19, 2014 9:44:33 AM UTC+1, PMario wrote:
>
> If you have a look at the button widget docs [1], you'll see, that it 
> allows you to add a "class" parameter. 
>
> eg: <$button message="tm-new-tiddler" param="TemplateTask" 
> class="myButtonClass">New Task
>
> then create a tiddler eg: myStyles and tag it: $:/tags/Stylesheet
> content:
>
> .myButtonClass {
>   background: lightgreeen; 
> }
>
> have fun!
> mario
>
> [1] http://tiddlywiki.com/#ButtonWidget
>

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[tw] [TW5] Reference tiddler from outer $list inside inner $list

[Dmitry Skopa]

Hello,

I saw a great example on how to add tiddler header/footer stuff based on 
its tags: http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#Conditional%20ViewTemplate%20Section

Now I'm trying to make a template for all my tiddlers tagged with 
"projects" tag that should contain list of uncompleted tasks for the 
project and a button to create a new associated task.

And I'm stuck with two moments here:
1. How to reference current tiddler in a tag list for a "tasks" item to 
exclude current "projects" tiddler from shown tags?
2. How to reference current tiddler in action-sendmessage to make created 
"tasks" tiddler tagged with current "projects" tiddler?

<$list filter="[all[current]tag[projects]]">
  
<$list 
filter="[all[current]tagging[]tag[tasks]!tag[done]sort[created]]">
  
<$checkbox tag="done"> <$link to={{!!title}}><$view 
field="title"/>
<$list filter="[all[current]tags[]sort[title]]-[[tasks]]-*?*" 
template="ShowTagTemplate"/>
  

  
  <$button>
<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" title="New task" 
tags="tasks *?*"/>
New Task
  


I guess this is a very basic knowledge, but I can't find any tutorial on 
such things.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Concatenated Widget Parameters

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Stephan,
 

> Any idea why using the variable as declared in the set widget won't work 
>> with the list widget?
>>
>
> Yes. Variables don't work there. You need an additional macrocall. 
> Additionally you forgot the brackets arounf the variablename: $(field)$
>

That's also one thing I find quite confusing, at what point can I use 
*$field$* and at what point do I have to *$(field)$*?
The documentation on variables 
 only 
mentions the latter, although I've found the former to be quite 
ubiquitously used.
Also, are there limitations to using either *$variable$*, *$(variable)$* or 
*<>*? If yes: documentation.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] button formating

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Mario / +Jeremy,
 

> eg: <$button message="tm-new-tiddler" param="TemplateTask" 
> class="myButtonClass">New Task
>
> then create a tiddler eg: myStyles and tag it: $:/tags/Stylesheet
> content:
>
> .myButtonClass {
>   background: lightgreeen; 
> }
>

Imho, as there will be buttons that want none of the default button candy, the 
default class *must not* be assigned by the core when a custom class is 
defined, one would have to specifically declare it.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5][BUG] Camel case on system tiddlers

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Mario,
 

> <>
>>
>
>  that's the same: 
>
> <>
>>
>
>
Interesting, to which filters does that apply?
Whatever the case, that begs to be clearly explained in the documentation 
.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: Auto link to file in Wiki folder

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Daniel...

Using this method...

http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#External%20Image%20Path

...you could even easily move your images no matter where (on the web, 
network drive) and be able to just configure the new location.

Best wishes, Tobias. 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Reference tiddler from outer $list inside inner $list

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Dmitry,
 

> 1. How to reference current tiddler in a tag list for a "tasks" item to 
> exclude current "projects" tiddler from shown tags?
>
2. How to reference current tiddler in action-sendmessage to make created 
> "tasks" tiddler tagged with current "projects" tiddler?
>

Try fiddling with the set widget (warning: pseudo-code!):

<$list>
<$set name="project" value=currentTiddler>>>
<$list>
$project$




Please report back on your final solution.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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Re: [tw] Re: On the fly completions/suggestions

[Danielo Rodríguez]

El miércoles, 19 de noviembre de 2014 09:25:43 UTC+1, Alain Dutech escribió:
>
> @Danielo : yes, I though this up only after posting and agree that it is a 
> bit difficult. I don't know how much ressources wuold be eaten by parsing 
> the key pressed. I haven't tried codemirro. It would be a difficult task to 
> hack it ? What is the "default" editor used in TW (if any) ?
>
> The default editor is a text-area :D
Codemirror provides this kind of functionality for code, but it uses fixed 
strings and the implementation is not clear for me. Maybe you can adapt to 
TW. But trust me, I tried, and I failed, and I think PMario tried also, and 
he failed. This si discouragin since HE is the original creator of the 
codemirror plugin for TWC
 

> @Tobias : the toolbar (in the editor ?) would also be a nice idea, yep. 
> Especially if you had a "search form" where entering the first letter of a 
> tiddle gave the opportunity to add the link to this tiddler in the text.
>

I have plans to adapt my keyboard snippets plugin to this kind of 
functionality. Maybe I can implement a hotkey to suggest tiddlers 
completions, or, at least, complete with the closest one.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Reference tiddler from outer $list inside inner $list

[Birthe C]

Hi Dimity and Tobias
If you want to tag new tiddler with current tiddlers title, I would take a 
look at $:/core/ui/Buttons/new-here and add other tags.


Birthe



Den onsdag den 19. november 2014 10.42.16 UTC+1 skrev Tobias Beer:
>
> Hi Dmitry,
>  
>
>> 1. How to reference current tiddler in a tag list for a "tasks" item to 
>> exclude current "projects" tiddler from shown tags?
>>
> 2. How to reference current tiddler in action-sendmessage to make created 
>> "tasks" tiddler tagged with current "projects" tiddler?
>>
>
> Try fiddling with the set widget (warning: pseudo-code!):
>
> <$list>
> <$set name="project" value=currentTiddler>>>
> <$list>
> $project$
> 
> 
> 
>
> Please report back on your final solution.
>
> Best wishes, Tobias.
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] button formating

[Stephan Hradek]

Am Mittwoch, 19. November 2014 10:27:00 UTC+1 schrieb Tobias Beer:
>
> Hi Mario / +Jeremy,
>
> Imho, as there will be buttons that want none of the default button candy, 
> the 
> default class *must not* be assigned by the core when a custom class is 
> defined, one would have to specifically declare it.
>

You can well overwrite the formatting of the default class which is always 
added, but what about a small adjustment?

class="myButtonClass" will result in just that class being assigned (as 
Tobias suggested)

class="+ myButtonClass" (note the blank after the "+") would keep all 
"current" settings and append "myButtonClass".

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Concatenated Widget Parameters

[Stephan Hradek]

This is my understanding:

$i_am_a_macro_parameter$ - replaced upon macro execution

$(i_am_a_variable)$ - replaced upon macro execution

<> - executed... I don't exactly know when

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Re: [tw] Re: On the fly completions/suggestions

[Alain Dutech]

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Danielo Rodríguez 
wrote
>
>
> I have plans to adapt my keyboard snippets plugin to this kind of
> functionality. Maybe I can implement a hotkey to suggest tiddlers
> completions, or, at least, complete with the closest one.
>

That would be very handy. :o)
I will even try to find the time to look at your keyboard snippet.


And, I'm not an expert at all, but is Ace easier to hack / use / imbed in
TW5 than CodeMirror ?

Alain




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[tw] Re: [TW5] widget to Goto Ranomized Tiddler

[Danielo Rodríguez]

I don't see the problem on randomly update the random number. I mean, on 
any refresh cycle of the wiki.

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[tw] [tw5] building wikis with different languages using the build command

[simon.eigeldinger]

Hi all,

How do i build wikis with different languages than english with the 
build command?


thanks for helping.

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[tw] Re: [TW5][BUG] Camel case on system tiddlers

[PMario]

On Wednesday, November 19, 2014 10:30:34 AM UTC+1, Tobias Beer wrote:
>
> Interesting, to which filters does that apply?
> Whatever the case, that begs to be clearly explained in the documentation 
> .
>

have a look here: http://tiddlywiki.com/#Introduction%20to%20Filters
sections: Filter Operators, ORing Multiple Filter Operators, ANDing 
Multiple Filter Operators

Additional examples would make sense there. IMO pull requests are welcome. 

-m

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[tw] Re: [TW5] button formating

[PMario]

If you look a the dom code that's created. Only the custom class is 
assigned. 


New Task


All browsers use default styling for the "button" element. ... But 
different browsers use different defaults. 
That's way the core CSS uses "normalize.css" to implement browser 
compatibility. That's probably, what you see in the browser debug window. 

the user class always has to add / remove the changes it needs. 

-m

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[tw] Re: [TW5] button formating

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Stephan,

You can well overwrite the formatting of the default class which is always 
> added, but what about a small adjustment?


Overwriting css has lots of problems many of which a TWc user can tell you 
about. 

class="myButtonClass" will result in just that class being assigned (as 
> Tobias suggested)
> class="+ myButtonClass" (note the blank after the "+") would keep all 
> "current" settings and append "myButtonClass".
>

Sounds like a handy thing for not having to remember that core button class 
...or other widget class, really.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [tw5] building wikis with different languages using the build command

[PMario]

Hi Simon, 

Your tiddlywiki.info file should contain this json code snippet:

"languages": [
"en-GB",
"de-AT",
"de-DE"
],

Languages are included similar to plugins. 

hope that helps.
mario

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[tw] Re: [TW5] widget to Goto Ranomized Tiddler

[PMario]

On Wednesday, November 19, 2014 11:45:43 AM UTC+1, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:
>
> I don't see the problem on randomly update the random number. I mean, on 
> any refresh cycle of the wiki.
>

What, if it done with every keystroke? 

eg:
a random number generator opens a tiddler, depending on the number, in the 
story view.
So with every keystroke you may get a new / different tiddler. 
While there may be cases where we want that, I'd be confused by this 
behaviour. 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] button formating

[PMario]

On Wednesday, November 19, 2014 12:10:43 PM UTC+1, Tobias Beer wrote:
>
> Hi Stephan,
>
> You can well overwrite the formatting of the default class which is always 
>> added, but what about a small adjustment?
>
>
> Overwriting css has lots of problems many of which a TWc user can tell you 
> about. 
>

That's right. 
But the need to "completely" re-design an element, instead of just applying 
changes, is much more complicated, if you want to do it right and 
consistent. 

TWs base CSS can be changed, using themes.
Most individual colours can be changed in the ControlPanel: Appearance tab

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Re: [tw] Re: [tw5] building wikis with different languages using the build command

[Simon Eigeldinger]

hi mario,

thanks very much.

greetings,
simon


Am 19.11.2014 um 12:14 schrieb PMario:

Hi Simon,

Your tiddlywiki.info file should contain this json code snippet:

 "languages": [
 "en-GB",
 "de-AT",
 "de-DE"
 ],

Languages are included similar to plugins.

hope that helps.
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[tw] Re: [TW5] button formating

[Stephan Hradek]

Am Mittwoch, 19. November 2014 12:10:43 UTC+1 schrieb Tobias Beer:
>
> Hi Stephan,
>
> You can well overwrite the formatting of the default class which is always 
>> added, but what about a small adjustment?
>
>
> Overwriting css has lots of problems many of which a TWc user can tell you 
> about. 
>

Okay.
 

> Sounds like a handy thing for not having to remember that core button 
> class ...or other widget class, really.
>

Even better: Should the names change, it would still work. 

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Re: [tw] Re: On the fly completions/suggestions

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Danielo,
 

> I have plans to adapt my keyboard snippets plugin to this kind of 
> functionality. Maybe I can implement a hotkey to suggest tiddlers 
> completions, or, at least, complete with the closest one.
>

This is surely a neat thing but from a dependency point of view I'd turn it 
the other way around, so that your keyboard shortcuts extend a toolbar 
widget. Not sure how and when the core will ship with a keyboard widget but 
it might just be that you'd want that toolbar widget to make use of that 
eventually, so I wouldn't be overly mingling the two, for now, just my 5 
cts.

Rather than a long list of explicit shortcuts for individual actions, I'd 
much more prefer a single shortcut that opens a well designed popup which 
lets me select whatever content editing or inserting feature I need. Perhaps 
a "classic toolbar" as part of the edit-template isn't the most efficient 
ui for this after all.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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Re: [tw] Re: On the fly completions/suggestions

[Tobias Beer]

>
> Not sure how and when the core will ship with a keyboard widget...
>

meaning: 
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/980#issuecomment-63622942
 

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[tw] Re: [TW5][BUG] Camel case on system tiddlers

[Tobias Beer]

>
> have a look here: http://tiddlywiki.com/#Introduction%20to%20Filters
> sections: Filter Operators, ORing Multiple Filter Operators, ANDing 
> Multiple Filter Operators
>
> Additional examples would make sense there. IMO pull requests are welcome. 
>

Yes, thank you. ^_^
What I meant was is that it's not clear to me if only specific filters 
start from *[all[]]* or if all do.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] widget to Goto Ranomized Tiddler

[Tobias Beer]

>
> a random number generator opens a tiddler, depending on the number, in the 
> story view.
> So with every keystroke you may get a new / different tiddler. 
> While there may be cases where we want that, I'd be confused by this 
> behaviour. 
>

Not sure I fully understand your example but one thing I find rather 
confusing is that open draft tiddlers end up directly updating and showing 
up in lists. While that may have its benefits to see the result before 
commiting, it adds to the number of not really needed refreshes.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] button formating

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Mario,
 

> But the need to "completely" re-design an element, instead of just 
> applying changes, is much more complicated, if you want to do it right and 
> consistent. 
>

That's simply not right. A button is first and foremost a functionality 
rather than a mere ui element, a thing you click to trigger an action.

Leave the ui to a designer, at least allow those guys to do their magic 
freely without being forced to worry about changing defaults. This 
discussion is pretty much the same as the one I read yesterday about "just 
don't extend dom globals"... unless you know what you're sacrificing.

TWs base CSS can be changed, using themes.
>
 
Especially that won't help me in overriding my button css, seeing as how 
the core button css may change with any upgrade.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] [TW5] - VisualEditor needed

[dim]

Hi, 

I want to use TW5 for all kinds of documentations, but I find it extremly 
painfull to include imanges. I have found  VisualEditor 

 
but I can't get it working (I'm a user not a developer).
I just have no idea what's not good but I would appreciate any help or 
maybe links where I can find more info how to include it. 

Maybe you could provide an empty version of tiddly wiki with ckeditor build 
already? This would help quite a lot for people like me. Maybe even someone 
like me could help a little bit to maintain these.

Thanks

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[tw] [TW5] textarea autoresize is annoying.

[Danielo Rodríguez]

Triying to fix a very annoying issue on 5.1.4 today I went to github and I 
found:

  EditTextWidget.prototype.fixHeight = function() {var self = 
this,domNode = this.domNodes[0];if(this.editAutoHeight 
&& domNode && !domNode.isTiddlyWikiFakeDom && this.editTag === "textarea") {


Since this is better than the current implementation, it forces you to 
define it on every textarea. This is against every UI design guidelines I 
can think about. I expect to be able to specify this kind of things on the 
CSS and I think the average user too. I don't understand why this is 
hardcoded into the edit-text widget. Textareas re-sizes  themselves by 
default, and you can deactivate this if you need it by CSS. Could someone 
explain me the need for specify this at node level?


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[tw] Re: [TW5] widget to Goto Ranomized Tiddler

[PMario]

--- OT ---
On Wednesday, November 19, 2014 1:20:24 PM UTC+1, Tobias Beer wrote:
>
> but one thing I find rather confusing is that open draft tiddlers end up 
> directly updating and showing up in lists. While that may have its benefits 
> to see the result before commiting, it adds to the number of not really 
> needed refreshes.
>

There is a convention, that "end user" facing lists should not contain 
shadow and system tiddlers. eg: All, Recent and some other sidebar tabs. So 
the default filter set doesn't contain the $:/ prefixed tiddlers

It turns out, that many <$list...> filters (especially templates) also have 
!has[draft.of] in them. There was a discussion, to change the default 
behaviour of the filter to exclude drafts from standard lists. ... It would 
have meant, to create a big incompatible beta-change, so imo it wasn't 
implemented. 

If you don't like drafts in your list you need to add !has[draft.of] to 
your filter expression

-m


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[tw] Re: [TW5] button formating

[PMario]

On Wednesday, November 19, 2014 1:25:06 PM UTC+1, Tobias Beer wrote:
>
> Hi Mario,
>  
>
>> But the need to "completely" re-design an element, instead of just 
>> applying changes, is much more complicated, if you want to do it right and 
>> consistent. 
>>
>
> That's simply not right. A button is first and foremost a functionality 
> rather than a mere ui element, a thing you click to trigger an action.
>

No problem. I hate the browser default styling. It's ugly^3. Tell the 
browser vendors.

If they remove standard styles from all html elements, there is no need to 
use reset.css or now normalize.css to make sites compatible to different 
browser implementations. It would make the web much easier for today's 
designers. But that's not the web we have atm. 

TWs base CSS can be changed, using themes.
>
>  

> Especially that won't help me in overriding my button css, seeing as how 
> the core button css may change with any upgrade.
>

The base theme is the core theme. It starts from scratch with normalize.css.

If you define your own base theme, you are the designer and have all the 
freedom you need. ... There are some dependencies, that come from the 
default Page-, View- and EditTemplates. All tc-xxx classes are defined 
there. You can change these class names, if you want but imo that's not 
needed. You just have to have a closer look to the tx-xxx names and use 
them. 

So if you don't want the "Cascading" in CSS you need to start from scratch. 
But your users still need to use tiddlers tagged. $:/tags/Stylesheet  to 
apply there changes. So what do you win?

-m

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[tw] [TW5] # breaks test references

[Danielo Rodríguez]

If you include # in the title of a tiddler it can not be referenced like 
this
{{the#tittle!!text}}

You can reproduce the problem importing the tiddlers in the json file 
attached

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[tw] Re: [TW5] - VisualEditor needed

[Birthe C]

Hi Dim
I think this is the latest http://bjtools.tiddlyspot.com/. You will also 
find explained what to do. I just tried it out and it seems to work.
We are a lot of end users here and few developers. The miracle is all the 
goodies they are steadily giving to all of us.

You are welcome to my empty TW5 with only this plugin installed: 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22820223/twEditor.htm


Birthe

Den onsdag den 19. november 2014 13.53.45 UTC+1 skrev dim:
>
> Hi, 
>
> I want to use TW5 for all kinds of documentations, but I find it extremly 
> painfull to include imanges. I have found  VisualEditor 
> 
>  
> but I can't get it working (I'm a user not a developer).
> I just have no idea what's not good but I would appreciate any help or 
> maybe links where I can find more info how to include it. 
>
> Maybe you could provide an empty version of tiddly wiki with ckeditor 
> build already? This would help quite a lot for people like me. Maybe even 
> someone like me could help a little bit to maintain these.
>
> Thanks
>

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[tw] Re: Inside TiddlyWiki: The Missing Manual

[Ed Dixon]

I think this is awesome and also an excellent opportunity to raise TW5 
awareness in general to the public at large. Be sure to share Eric's 
indiegogo link out to your public circles! Eric, I just watched the hangout 
from yesterday and if there is anything I can do to help (Years of 
curriculum design experience) please do not hesitate to ask and good luck!

On Sunday, November 16, 2014 4:00:49 PM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> Greetings All!
>
> As we well know, TiddlyWiki provides great flexibility to create a wide 
> range of purpose-built "web applications".  However, as most people quickly 
> discover, there is also a lot to learn in order to take full advantage of 
> TiddlyWiki's powerful features.  In order to address this, I plan to write 
> "Inside TiddlyWiki", a multi-volume series of "guidebooks", that will 
> illustrate the concepts, methods, and best practices for using TiddlyWiki 
> to build effective solutions for common, every day, real-world applications.
>
> With the recent release of TiddlyWiki 5 out of beta, NOW is the right time 
> to get this long-desired book project launched, and I intend to devote the 
> next few months, starting in January 2015, to uninterrupted, focused, 
> full-time effort writing, revising, and publishing book content. 
>  Unfortunately, as an independent self-employed consultant, I also need to 
> ensure that I maintain a steady income to cover my month-to-month operating 
> expenses. To that end, I have put together an Indiegogo.com fundraising 
> campaign to provide basic income for several months while I work on this 
> major writing project.
>
> To learn more about my specific plans, and to make a generous 
> contribution, please view the "InsideTiddlyWiki: The Missing Manual" 
> Indiegogo.com page here:
>
> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/inside-tiddlywiki-the-missing-manual/x/8816263
>
> The campaign has a very modest initial funding goal to raise $7500 in 60 
> days (by January 15th), so please contribute as much as you can, and as 
> often as you can. Also note that, unlike Kickstarter.com's "all-or-nothing" 
> funding model, this campaign is using Indiegogo's "Flexible Funding" model, 
> so that all contributions to this project still will be collected and 
> disbursed, even if the funding goal is not reached within the time alloted.
>
> Of course, the more funds contributed, the more time I will have to work 
> on writing.  So, as the Holiday season approaches, be sure tell EVERYONE 
> you know -- friends, family, co-workers, and even strangers on the bus -- 
> that "InsideTiddlyWiki: The Missing Manual" is at the top of your gift wish 
> list!
>
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Reference tiddler from outer $list inside inner $list

[Dmitry Skopa]

Hello, Tobias and Birthe

*$project$* reference doesn't seem to work only *<>* does, but I 
still didn't find a way to reference it from inside an attribute value:

<$list filter="[all[current]tag[projects]]">
  <$set name="project" value=<>>
  project: $project$ - doesn't work
  project: {{project}} - doesn't work
  project: {{!!project}} - doesn't work
  project: <> - works
   - doesn't work
   - doesn't work
   - doesn't work
   - doesn't work
   - doesn't work
   - doesn't work
  


*$:/core/ui/Buttons/new-here* solution with *define* statement works for 
setting new tags for action-sendmessage:

\define currentProjectTaskTags()
[[$(currentTiddler)$]] tasks
\end

<$list filter="[all[current]tag[projects]]">
  <$button>
<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" title="New task" tags=<<
currentProjectTaskTags>>/>
New Task
  


Now the question is how to reference it from inside *filter* attribute of 
*$list* statement:
\define currentProjectTaskTags()
[[$(currentTiddler)$]] tasks
\end

<$list filter="[all[current]tag[projects]]">
  
<$list filter="[all[current]tagging[]tag[tasks]!tag[done]sort[created]]"
>
  
<$checkbox tag="done"> <$link to={{!!title}}><$view field="title"
/>
<$list filter="[all[current]tags[]sort[title]]-
*???currentProjectTaskTags???*" template="ShowTagTemplate"/>
  

  
  <$button>
<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" title="New task" 
tags=<>/>
New Task
  
  




On Wednesday, November 19, 2014 1:42:16 PM UTC+4, Tobias Beer wrote:

> Hi Dmitry,
>  
>
>> 1. How to reference current tiddler in a tag list for a "tasks" item to 
>> exclude current "projects" tiddler from shown tags?
>>
> 2. How to reference current tiddler in action-sendmessage to make created 
>> "tasks" tiddler tagged with current "projects" tiddler?
>>
>
> Try fiddling with the set widget (warning: pseudo-code!):
>
> <$list>
> <$set name="project" value=currentTiddler>>>
> <$list>
> $project$
> 
> 
> 
>
> Please report back on your final solution.
>
> Best wishes, Tobias.
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Reference tiddler from outer $list inside inner $list

[Stephan Hradek]

Am Mittwoch, 19. November 2014 17:12:47 UTC+1 schrieb Dmitry Skopa:
>
>
> <$list filter="[all[current]tag[projects]]">
>   <$set name="project" value=<>>
>   project: $project$ - doesn't work
>   project: {{project}} - doesn't work
>   project: {{!!project}} - doesn't work
>   project: <> - works
>- doesn't work
>- doesn't work
>- doesn't work
>- doesn't work
>- doesn't work
>- doesn't work
>   
> 
>
>   > /> - should work


Try:
 
\define currentProjectTaskTags()
[all[current]tags[]sort[title]] -[[$(currentTiddler)$]]
\end

<$list filter="[all[current]tag[projects]]">
  
<$list filter="[all[current]tagging[]tag[tasks]!tag[done]sort[created]]"
>
  
<$checkbox tag="done"> <$link to={{!!title}}><$view field="title"
/>
<$list filter=<> template="ShowTagTemplate"/>
  

  
  <$button>
<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" title="New task" 
tags=<>/>
New Task
  
  


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[tw] Re: [TW5] widget to Goto Ranomized Tiddler

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Mario,
 

> If you don't like drafts in your list you need to add !has[draft.of] to 
> your filter expression
>

That's not quite the point, though. The point would be to ask: Do we want 
tw to update the document with things that we're currently just about 
editing and not even done with? Here's a *no* to that from my side.

Best wishes, Tobias. 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Concatenated Widget Parameters

[Danielo Rodríguez]

It's pretty easy :
$(var)$ for variable substitution inside macro 
$var$ for macro parameter 
<> for transclude the variable value within normal wikitext or as 
parameter of widget calls.

Does that make sense for you? It took a while to me to sort this in my mind. 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] button formating

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Mario,
 

> If you define your own base theme, you are the designer and have all the 
> freedom you need. ... There are some dependencies, that come from the 
> default Page-, View- and EditTemplates. All tc-xxx classes are defined 
> there. You can change these class names, if you want but imo that's not 
> needed. You just have to have a closer look to the tx-xxx names and use 
> them. 
>
 

So if you don't want the "Cascading" in CSS you need to start from scratch.
>

All I wanted was to style a button, not design a theme. And that's 
precisely why it should be the default to not apply any base class when a 
custom class is defined!

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] button formating

[Tobias Beer]

>
> If you look a the dom code that's created. Only the custom class is 
> assigned. 
>

Big *facepalm*, I simply jumped to the conclusion it was tw doing button 
styling without even double-checking. ^_^

Consider my argument non-existent.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] - VisualEditor needed

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Birthe,

http://bjtools.tiddlyspot.com/
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22820223/twEditor.htm
>

Neither appear to be working in my neck of the woods in either Chrome or 
Firefox. What am I missing?

Best wishes, Tobias. 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Reference tiddler from outer $list inside inner $list

[Dmitry Skopa]

Hello, Stephan

I understand this, cause action-sendmessage works fine with 
*tags=<>*. But in the inner list I want these tags 
(currentProjectTasks) to be excluded from *[all[current]tags[]sort[title]]*


On Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:39:56 PM UTC+3, Stephan Hradek wrote:
>
>
>
> Am Mittwoch, 19. November 2014 17:12:47 UTC+1 schrieb Dmitry Skopa:
>>
>>
>> <$list filter="[all[current]tag[projects]]">
>>   <$set name="project" value=<>>
>>   project: $project$ - doesn't work
>>   project: {{project}} - doesn't work
>>   project: {{!!project}} - doesn't work
>>   project: <> - works
>>- doesn't work
>>- doesn't work
>>- doesn't work
>>- doesn't work
>>- doesn't work
>>- doesn't work
>>   
>> 
>>
>>   > /> - should work
>
>
> Try:
>  
> \define currentProjectTaskTags()
> [all[current]tags[]sort[title]] -[[$(currentTiddler)$]]
> \end
>
> <$list filter="[all[current]tag[projects]]">
>   
> <$list filter=
> "[all[current]tagging[]tag[tasks]!tag[done]sort[created]]">
>   
> <$checkbox tag="done"> <$link to={{!!title}}><$view field="title"
> />
> <$list filter=<> template="ShowTagTemplate"/>
>   
> 
>   
>   <$button>
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" title="New task" 
> tags=<>/>
> New Task
>   
>   
> 
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Reference tiddler from outer $list inside inner $list

[Stephan Hradek]

Am Mittwoch, 19. November 2014 18:58:22 UTC+1 schrieb Dmitry Skopa:
>
> Hello, Stephan
>
> I understand this, cause action-sendmessage works fine with 
> *tags=<>*. But in the inner list I want these 
> tags (currentProjectTasks) to be excluded from 
> *[all[current]tags[]sort[title]]*
>

That's why I changed the macro. 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Reference tiddler from outer $list inside inner $list

[Dmitry Skopa]

Sorry, Stephan, I didn't understand you clear. Now I see your point: to 
have two separate defines: for tags in the list and for tags for a new 
tiddler.

So now the version is:
\define currentProjectTaskTags()
[[$(currentTiddler)$]] tasks
\end

\define currentProjectTaskListTags()
[all[current]tags[]sort[title]]-[[$(currentTiddler)$]]-tasks
\end

<$list filter="[all[current]tag[projects]]">
  
<$list filter="[all[current]tagging[]tag[tasks]!tag[done]sort[created]]"
>
  
<$checkbox tag="done"> <$link to={{!!title}}><$view field="title"
/>
<$list filter=<> template=
"ShowTagTemplate"/>
  

  
  <$button>
<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" title="New task" 
tags=<>/>
New Task
  


But it still shows current "projects" tiddler tag in the list of task tags 
(but "tasks" tag is hidden as it should)


On Wednesday, November 19, 2014 8:58:22 PM UTC+3, Dmitry Skopa wrote:
>
> Hello, Stephan
>
> I understand this, cause action-sendmessage works fine with 
> *tags=<>*. But in the inner list I want these 
> tags (currentProjectTasks) to be excluded from 
> *[all[current]tags[]sort[title]]*
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:39:56 PM UTC+3, Stephan Hradek wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Am Mittwoch, 19. November 2014 17:12:47 UTC+1 schrieb Dmitry Skopa:
>>>
>>>
>>> <$list filter="[all[current]tag[projects]]">
>>>   <$set name="project" value=<>>
>>>   project: $project$ - doesn't work
>>>   project: {{project}} - doesn't work
>>>   project: {{!!project}} - doesn't work
>>>   project: <> - works
>>>- doesn't work
>>>- doesn't work
>>>- doesn't work
>>>- doesn't work
>>>- doesn't work
>>>- doesn't work
>>>   
>>> 
>>>
>>>   > /> - should work
>>
>>
>> Try:
>>  
>> \define currentProjectTaskTags()
>> [all[current]tags[]sort[title]] -[[$(currentTiddler)$]]
>> \end
>>
>> <$list filter="[all[current]tag[projects]]">
>>   
>> <$list filter=
>> "[all[current]tagging[]tag[tasks]!tag[done]sort[created]]">
>>   
>> <$checkbox tag="done"> <$link to={{!!title}}><$view field="title"
>> />
>> <$list filter=<> template="ShowTagTemplate"
>> />
>>   
>> 
>>   
>>   <$button>
>> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" title="New task" 
>> tags=<>/>
>> New Task
>>   
>>   
>> 
>>
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Concatenated Widget Parameters

[Stephan Hradek]

Am Mittwoch, 19. November 2014 18:39:47 UTC+1 schrieb Danielo Rodríguez:
>
> It's pretty easy :
> $(var)$ for variable substitution inside macro 
> $var$ for macro parameter 
> <> for transclude the variable value within normal wikitext or as 
> parameter of widget calls.
>
> Does that make sense for you? It took a while to me to sort this in my 
> mind. 
>
And we both forgot  for usage in filters. 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Reference tiddler from outer $list inside inner $list

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Dmitri,

For a working solution, see...

http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#Open%20Project%20Tasks

;-)

Watch out, the tags used are different from yours, for one they're 
capitalized. Eventually they'd need to be defined via transclusion from 
some system tiddler dictionary, I'd say.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] - VisualEditor needed

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Tobias,

Both links do work for me (Windows 7, Firefox & Chrome).

Cheers,

Ton

On Wednesday, November 19, 2014 6:48:22 PM UTC+1, Tobias Beer wrote:
>
> Hi Birthe,
>
> http://bjtools.tiddlyspot.com/
>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22820223/twEditor.htm
>>
>
> Neither appear to be working in my neck of the woods in either Chrome or 
> Firefox. What am I missing?
>
> Best wishes, Tobias. 
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] - VisualEditor needed

['Stephen Kimmel' via TiddlyWiki]

I've gotten Visual Editor to work on mine but it wasn't easy. Two key 
steps, in particular, aren't obvious. 

1) You have to have the ckeditor module.  BJ suggested downloading it but I 
found that having the $:/plugin/bj/visualeditor/includelib tiddler read 
http://cdnjs.cloudflare.com/ajax/libs/ckeditor/4.4.1/ckeditor.js";>
 
was sufficient. Simply downloading it may be the preferred option.

2) Perhaps more importantly is that Visual Editor only works on works on 
certain types of tiddlers. If you are editing a text/vnd.tiddlywiki (ie a 
standard Tiddlywiki 5 file) you won't see anything happen at all. However, 
if you switch it a text/html (HTML Markup) or type text/x-htmlp into the 
Type field, you'll get the full editor effect... assuming you've set 
everything else up correctly. To create the text/x-htmlp type, you create a 
tiddler called $:/config/EditorTypeMappings/text/x-htmlp and give as its 
contents the string 'html' (make sure that there is no whitespace)

You must be careful with switching the document type since the editor does 
some odd things when that happens that can mess up the results.

Stephen

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[tw] Re: [TW5] button formating

[Andreas]

Hi PMario,
thanks a lot! That was exactly what I was looking for!

Andreas

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[tw] Re: [TW5] - VisualEditor needed

[Birthe C]

It is even stranger. I tried the Visual Editor on a local file. The copy I 
put in dropbox and linked does not work for me now!! The other local file 
and on tiddlyspot it works - almost. The VisuelEditorDemo goes totally 
beyond tiddler borders - but only until I have had my test file open. Then 
it all seems to look and work okay...untill next refresh.


Birthe

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Reference tiddler from outer $list inside inner $list

[Dmitry Skopa]

Hi Tobias

Why to proxy taskTags define via  <$set name="newtags" value=<> > 
?
For the "New Task" button <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" 
title="New task" tags=<>/> works just fine.

As for the inner list <$list filter=<>.. still doesn't 
exclude current tiddler from the task tag list, could you try to create an 
example project and task tiddlers based on your template? I tried, but no 
luck

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> Hi Dmitri,
>
> For a working solution, see...
>
> http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#Open%20Project%20Tasks
>
> ;-)
>
> Watch out, the tags used are different from yours, for one they're 
> capitalized. Eventually they'd need to be defined via transclusion from 
> some system tiddler dictionary, I'd say.
>
> Best wishes, Tobias.
>

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[tw] Re: Context Search

['Stephen Kimmel' via TiddlyWiki]

Danielo (or anyone else who knows the answer),

The Context Search routine, which is essential as far as I'm concerned, 
appears to be blind to certain characters. 

If you use the form <$context term="!!!"/> in a tiddler that contains "Here 
are three exclamation points!!!", it seems it should create a list that 
would include a listing for that but alas, it doesn't find anything at all. 
I was hoping to create a list of headers but it isn't working and I don't 
see why.

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[tw] Re: Context Search

[Danielo Rodríguez]

try searching: "s!!!" and let me know if it works.

El miércoles, 19 de noviembre de 2014 21:45:29 UTC+1, Stephen Kimmel 
escribió:
>
> Danielo (or anyone else who knows the answer),
>
> The Context Search routine, which is essential as far as I'm concerned, 
> appears to be blind to certain characters. 
>
> If you use the form <$context term="!!!"/> in a tiddler that contains "Here 
> are three exclamation points!!!", it seems it should create a list that 
> would include a listing for that but alas, it doesn't find anything at 
> all. I was hoping to create a list of headers but it isn't working and I 
> don't see why.
>

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[tw] [TW5] set widget is over used while variable feature is rarely used.

[Danielo Rodríguez]

Hello,

I find that people experiences lots of problems when using nested list. The 
main problem is losing the reference to the current tiddler. Many people 
solves this using the set widget:

<$set name="parent" value=<>>
<$list filter="[tag[sometag]]">
I'm on <>. Item from the list  <>



I used and saw even more twisted configurations. If the problem is losing 
the reference to parent, then the list widget has a feature that can help 
you giving better names to items on the list:

<$list filter="[tag[sometag]]" variable="item">
Now I can use any kind of reference to parent: {{!!title}}, <
>. And the list items are more obvious: <>


You can go as deep as you want
<$list filter="[tag[sometag]]" variable="item">
<$list filter="[tag]" variable="subItem">
I can still referencing parent {{!!title}}. Items: <> <> 



You can use the variables at any level and make any kind of configuration 
you want. Everything will keep neat and clear:

<$list filter="[tag[sometag]]" variable="item">
Here I am on the <> listing subItems of <>
<$list filter="[tag]" variable="subItem">
I can still referencing parent {{!!title}}. Items: <> <> 





Pretty nice, clear, powerful and flexible I think.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] - VisualEditor needed

[dim]

Hi Birthe, 

i can confirm this behaviour. For me it is the same. 

Opening the Tiddler I don't see an editor (image) 


After I changed the content type to text/html  the editor showed up (all 
mingeled) (image) 


After a save the tiddler and  reopen it looks ok (image) 


On your version provided on dropbox 
 nothing happens 
at all when changing the content type

Now locally no luck yet. I will work on this this week and see if I can get 
it working based on your input and post my way to get it working. 

Thanks.
Dim

Am Mittwoch, 19. November 2014 20:08:56 UTC+1 schrieb Birthe C:
>
> It is even stranger. I tried the Visual Editor on a local file. The copy I 
> put in dropbox and linked does not work for me now!! The other local file 
> and on tiddlyspot it works - almost. The VisuelEditorDemo goes totally 
> beyond tiddler borders - but only until I have had my test file open. Then 
> it all seems to look and work okay...untill next refresh.
>
>
> Birthe
>

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[tw] [TW5] set widget is over used while variable feature is rarely used.

[Alberto Molina]

Thanks Danielo, 

I didn't know that the list variable actually captured the full list of 
tiddlers. Good to know. 

Alberto 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] set widget is over used while variable feature is rarely used.

[Danielo Rodríguez]

El miércoles, 19 de noviembre de 2014 22:49:14 UTC+1, Alberto Molina 
escribió:
>
> Thanks Danielo, 
>
> I didn't know that the list variable actually captured the full list of 
> tiddlers. Good to know. 
>
> Alberto
>

Hello Alberto. I'm not sure I know what do you mean. The list variable is 
set to each list element on each iteration. 

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[tw] [TW5][TUT]Make any field behave like tags

[Danielo Rodríguez]

Hello

I saw many times people asking how can they make any list field behave like 
tags. Currently on TW versions higher than 5.1.0 this is already possible 
with the help of a small macro and some smart tiddlywiki code. I setup a 
small example and instructions about how to implement it.

Check it out at:

http://braintest.tiddlyspot.com/#Make%20any%20field%20behave%20like%20tags.

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[tw] [TW5] Hopefully NOT for the next 25 years!

[Mat]

@Jeremy, here are some what I consider major difficulties for us / TW - but 
hopefully not so for the next 25 years. So, if(!) you have time, I'd love 
to hear your thoughts/opinions on how we might deal with them.


   - Add-ons (plugins, tweaks, themes...) - difficult to find or (more 
   likely) even know they exist
   - No quality assurance of add-ons
   - Lacking documentation
   - The aggregated knowledge from discussions relies on 3d part system not 
   optimized for us
   - Little insight into what attracts new users
   - Little insight of user needs, tw applications, behaviors etc
   - Challenging to get tiddlyverse overview (resources, applications, 
   options, services, people...)
   - Demanding learning curve for customization
   - Too few developers (I'm just assuming this is always an issue)
   

Thank you!!!

<:-)

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[tw] Re: Context Search

['Stephen Kimmel' via TiddlyWiki]

>
> try searching: "s!!!" and let me know if it works.
>

That works. I looked at the javascript and there's a line that reads:

 if(this.term && this.term.length>3){

which appears to mean that it won't search for things less than four characters 
long. Context search applied to the wiki as a whole gives matches for a single 
character but not searching within the individual tiddler. 

 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] widget to Goto Ranomized Tiddler

[PMario]

On Wednesday, November 19, 2014 6:36:58 PM UTC+1, Tobias Beer wrote:
>
> If you don't like drafts in your list you need to add !has[draft.of] to 
>> your filter expression
>>
>
> That's not quite the point, though. The point would be to ask: Do we want 
> tw to update the document with things that we're currently just about 
> editing and not even done with? Here's a *no* to that from my side.
>

The TW core concept is, that basically every keystroke gets saved back to 
the TW internal store as a draft tiddler. 
If you switch on the "reflow highlighting" in chrome debug tools, you'll 
see what's going on with every keystroke.

Draft tiddlers are also saved back to the server if there is one. Saving is 
done, if you stop typing for some time.

So TW core will update drafts and I'm pretty sure, that's not going to be 
changed. 

-m


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[tw] Re: Context Search

[Danielo Rodríguez]

Exactly. The minimum ammount if characters to search for is 4. It is usually 
ridiculous to search for less than that. I thought it was configurable. Did you 
checked the documentation? 

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[tw] [TW5] Hopefully NOT for the next 25 years!

[Danielo Rodríguez]

Wow, a post full of complaints. Even the title is discouraging : I hope the 
main TW5 pretension to not come true. 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] set widget is over used while variable feature is rarely used.

[Felix Küppers]

Great info danielo!

Thanks

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Hopefully NOT for the next 25 years!

[Richard Smith]

 Hi Mat. I'm not a developer, but I am a daily user of TW. I really think 
it's amazing stuff and I think it's awesome that Jeremy has given it away 
for free to the world whilst devoting so much of his time to developing it. 

I'm sure you don't mean to sound harsh in pointing out it's flaws, but I 
think it's important to remember that the old version of TW still exists 
and the new one has only been out of beta for a short while and relies 
entirely on the good will of volunteers for its continued existence.

The things you point out are perhaps things that all open-source projects 
suffer from to some extent. At least TW is useful enough, to enough people, 
that we have a chance of solving some of them together over time. Here are 
some of my suggestions about how we might address these issues, when we 
find the time.

>
>- Add-ons (plugins, tweaks, themes...) - difficult to find or (more 
>likely) even know they exist
>
>  There aren't many plugins at the moment, when there are more it will make 
sense to have places where they are listed and discussed. I think there is 
already a site hosted by one of the group members that plans to do 
something like this and also allow users to build an initial wiki by 
choosing plugins from a list.

>
>- No quality assurance of add-ons
>
> If any of the add-ons you download don't work, I will personally give you 
back your money ;)  

>
>- Lacking documentation
>
> We all need to help with this. I keep threatening to help, but documenting 
TW is really difficult. I find that I can only see what's wrong with the 
documentation when I can't find out how to do something. When I go looking 
to improve explanations of things I know how to do, I can't find anything 
wrong with what's there.

The biggest issue for me with trying to find information in tiddlywiki.com 
is that the search lacks context. I think it might be a good idea to take 
the docs out of the main website altogether so that people don't expect to 
be able to use it as such. Instead the website can function as a 
shop-window for what can be done with the software and the 'complicated 
wiring' can be hidden elsewhere.

Also - Eric Shulman is seeking support to write a manual 
- https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/inside-tiddlywiki-the-missing-manual . 
I'm going to donate as a Christmas present to myself and hope other people 
will too. 

>
>- The aggregated knowledge from discussions relies on 3d part system 
>not optimized for us
>
> I agree that Google-groups is not very friendly or beautiful. What are 
some of the alternatives we could use. Let's brainstorm... 

>
>- Little insight into what attracts new users
>
> Do you mean for them or us? IMO anybody who goes looking for a personal 
wiki or micro-contnent management system will find TW. The fact that it can 
do so many things makes it difficult to explain just how awesome it is.

>
>- Little insight of user needs, tw applications, behaviors etc
>
> TW can be used in so many different ways that it's difficult to pin down. 
Who hasn't got insight? You? Jeremy? The users?

>
>- Challenging to get tiddlyverse overview (resources, applications, 
>options, services, people...)
>
>

>- Demanding learning curve for customization
>
> How does this learning curve compare to other software? How hard is it to 
customise the UI and back-end functionality of your second-favourite 
program? Can Word be turned into a web-server? Can Evernote become an 
interactive novel?


>- Too few developers (I'm just assuming this is always an issue)
>
> TiddlyWiki is very complicated. Presumably the overlap between people with 
sufficient skills, sufficient time and sufficient motivation to contribute 
to the core is quite small. By building the community over time, we will 
increase the potential pool of new developers. 

As I say, I'm sure you didn't mean to sound discouraging and only want to 
contribute to making TW better for everybody. Perhaps it would be a good 
idea to pick one area that you think we should focus on and suggest some 
practical steps we can take?

Regards,
Richard

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[tw] Plugins We Use

[Richard Smith]

In response to Mat's suggestion on another thread 
(https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/_rScP9Lscdg) I thought 
it might be helpful to share the plugins that I am using and what I am 
using them for and thought maybe you would like to do the same.

I am using:

1) $:/plugins/bj/tiddlyclip

Makes TW the most useful web-research tool around by letting you clip text 
and links to images straight into your TW. Works with multiple TW's. You 
can customise the way that content is imported - eg; the title and tags it 
gets, the format of the tiddler. You can have multiple actions set up to 
bring content in in different formats.

2) $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/katex

Renders math equations with the khan academy latex thingy. I swapped from 
using the mathjax plugin for better support. Katex itself is in development 
but support is very good. Equations from many places on the web render 
correctly without modification. (I have modified the tiddlyclip template to 
add $$ ... $$ when I want to clip an equation directly)

3) $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/markdown

I am experimenting with importing LaTeX documents and using markdown as an 
intermediate format.

4) $:/plugins/bj/taglist

This lets you re-order a list on a tag by dragging and dropping. I think 
the way I am using it is quite interesting. I have two tiddlers that render 
the same list - one of them renders a list of titles using taglist and the 
other transcludes the text of each tiddler in the list, in the same order. 
Dragging and dropping to reorder titles in the first list also changes the 
order of the transcluded tiddlers in the second list. I'm using this to 
build book sections from individual paragraphs.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Concatenated Widget Parameters

[Tobias Beer]

@Jeremy,

Ok, here's a matrix of possible things people might try out, including me.
Any chance you could fill this table with numbers according to spec 
(=implementation)?

   - 1 means => designed / expected to work
   - 2 means => designed to work but known bug
   - 3 + means => not supported, each number preferably specifying the 
   reason why

...the above of course with the expectation that a substitution will take 
place.
 
What's
allowed?
in
wiki
text
filter in
widget
call
param in
widget
call
widget
body
macro
call
macro
body
filter in
macro call in
macro body
param in
macro call in
macro body
filter in
widget call in
macro body
param in
widget call in
macro body
 $param$   "$param$"   <>   "<>"  
[[]]   $var$   "$var$"   $(var)$   "$(var)$"   
<   "<"  [[]]  
Whomever else wishes to make a guess, feel free. Will be interesting to 
compare results. ^_^

If provided, I will test all of the above in a meaningfully designed test 
wiki.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Concatenated Widget Parameters

[Tobias Beer]

@Jeremy,

Ok, here's a matrix of possible things people might try out, including me.
Any chance you could fill this table with numbers according to spec 
(=implementation)?

   - 1 means => designed / expected to work
   - 2 means => designed to work but known bug
   - 3 + means => not supported, each number preferably specifying the 
   reason why

...the above of course with the expectation that a substitution will take 
place.
 
What's
allowed?
in
wiki
text
filter in
widget
call
param in
widget
call
widget
body
macro
call
macro
body
filter in
macro call in
macro body
param in
macro call in
macro body
filter in
widget call in
macro body
param in
widget call in
macro body
$param$"$param$"<>"<>"[[]]$var$"$var$"$(var)$
"$(var)$"<>"<>"[[]]
Whomever else wishes to make a guess, feel free. Will be interesting to 
compare results. ^_^
 
If provided, I will test all of the above in a meaningfully designed test 
wiki.

One more thing, when I read about Variables in WikiText 
: 
*[operator]*, what exactly are the requirements for 
**?

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Reference tiddler from outer $list inside inner $list

[Tobias Beer]

>
> Why to proxy taskTags define via  <$set name="newtags" value=<> 
> > ?
> For the "New Task" button <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" 
> title="New task" tags=<>/> works just fine.
>

Good catch, I didn't pay attention to the button actually being outside the 
list.
 

> As for the inner list <$list filter=<>.. still doesn't 
> exclude current tiddler from the task tag list, could you try to create an 
> example project and task tiddlers based on your template? I tried, but no 
> luck
>

The current tiddler would be a *Project*, afaict. So, in your example if 
you're telling me that if it also was an open *Task* that you didn't want 
listet in its own tasklist, thus requiring it to be tagged with itself, 
then that doesn't sound all too consistent. Or what am I missing?

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Hopefully NOT for the next 25 years!

[Mat]

No, wait, it is not at all meant as complaints. I love TW and think it is 
fantastic. I've used TW for longer than most in here, for sure. I am just 
pointing out areas where I think the community could benefit 
tremendously(!) if we put our minds together. I have thought for a long 
time about these things, some of them many years, and considered 
elaborating on each point in my post but decided not to because I hope to 
get Jeremys view. But, Danielo, please tell me if you think anything in my 
assessment is wrong. It could well be that I expressed it poorly so maybe I 
must clarify something.

Really, I think TW is fantastic. Not to mention Jeremy.

<:-/

On Wednesday, November 19, 2014 11:49:42 PM UTC+1, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:
>
> Wow, a post full of complaints. Even the title is discouraging : I hope 
> the main TW5 pretension to not come true. 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] set widget is over used while variable feature is rarely used.

[Richard Smith]

Hi Danielo,

Thanks very much for posting this.

In my list I transclude the body of each tiddler like this

{{!!text}}

This works because currentTiddler is being set. If I change the list 
statement to include

 variable="item"

how do I refer to the correct tiddler?

{{??!!text}} or some other way?

I hope there's a way because it would make my wiki much easier to 
understand if I could use variables as you suggest.

Regards,
Richard

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[tw] Re: [TW5][TUT]Make any field behave like tags

['c pa' via TiddlyWiki]

Danielo,

Awesome. I struggled with this one for a while before deciding what I had 
was good enough. Thanks. 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Hopefully NOT for the next 25 years!

[Mat]

Ok, the answers so far indicate I did a poor job at phrasing my question so 
let me start by saying this:

Please re-read my post and I think you will find it is actually not about 
TW itself (and definitely not about any individual!) *My points are really 
about how we can attract more people to TW.* 

This is a "directors board question" and Jeremy is simply the chief in 
command. (And one excellent such!!!) This is why I aim my question to him 
specifically, but I posted it here because (1) I figured these questions 
are of general interest (2) these types of qustions ought to be discussed 
more and (3) because they are probably demanding questions and so if I am 
going to ask for Jeremys attention for them, it had better be for the 
common good.

While I have a lot of thoughts about each individual point in my 'list', I 
intentionally kept the points brief because I don't want to steer the 
conversation and risk missing out on something that Jeremy would otherwise 
bring up.

That said, I'll tell you that my own reasoning is a lot about easening the 
burden on the developers. I think there is a lot of potential among the 
non-developers here (I'm one such) but we don't really have the 
infrastructure(!) to take advantage of this. I have specific ideas about 
this but, as mentioned, I'd rather not talk about them right now.

Ok, hope this clarifies a little. 


<:-)

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Re: [tw] Re: [tw5] Tiddlyclip plugin release - create clips of webpages

[BJ]

Hi Daniel, I have fixed this issue. I am on my way to Managua and will do a
release soon after I arrive.
Cheers BJ
On 18 Nov 2014 07:29, "Danielo Rodríguez"  wrote:

>
> El jueves, 18 de septiembre de 2014 23:12:13 UTC+2, BJ escribió:
>>
>> HI Mark,
>> what your have typed is correct, so there is a bug. I will fix it in the
>> next couple of days.
>>
>
> Hello BJ,
>
> When are you going to fix this issue?
>
>
>
>> In the mean time you can still tag you tiddlers another way.  The rules
>> (eg defaultSnip) also have a table entry for tags.
>> You can make a new rule tiddler by cloning the defaultSnip tiddler.
>>
>>  If you don't have a clone icon enabled in tiddlywiki you do this by
>> going to the ControlPanel (click the cog icon) then the Appearance tab then
>> the Toolbars.
>>
>
> How can I add more tags? In my experience what happens is the tag I
> specified overrides the original tag. I also tried to add a "source" field
> with the original url of the wiki that the tiddler belongs to but it does
> not work. What am I doing wrong?
>
>  |!Title|!Body|!Tags|!Fields modifiers|!field initials|!Modes|
>
> |||externalTiddler|{"#type":"text/x-tiddlywiki"},{"$type":"((*@classic*??*#type*??*@abort()*))"}|{"$url":"((*@pageRef*))"}}|no-textsaver|
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[tw] Re: [TW5] set widget is over used while variable feature is rarely used.

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Danielo,

Highly educational, thanks a ton!

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] set widget is over used while variable feature is rarely used.

[Tobias Beer]

Duly noted: Variables In Nested Lists 


Best wishes, Tobias.

On Thursday, 20 November 2014 02:46:12 UTC+1, Tobias Beer wrote:
>
> Hi Danielo,
>
> Highly educational, thanks a ton!
>
> Best wishes, Tobias.
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] set widget is over used while variable feature is rarely used.

[Stephan Hradek]

Am Donnerstag, 20. November 2014 01:28:16 UTC+1 schrieb Richard Smith:
>
> Hi Danielo,
>
> Thanks very much for posting this.
>
> In my list I transclude the body of each tiddler like this
>
> {{!!text}}
>
> TranscludeWidget 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] set widget is over used while variable feature is rarely used.

[Danielo Rodríguez]

Hello Richard,

El jueves, 20 de noviembre de 2014 01:28:16 UTC+1, Richard Smith 
escribió:Hi Danielo,

Thanks very much for posting this.



Glad it helped you. I find it very useful, this is why I posted it here. 
Probably I will make a pull request to include this information on the 
official docs.


> In my list I transclude the body of each tiddler like this
>
> {{!!text}}
>
> This works because currentTiddler is being set. If I change the list 
> statement to include
>
>  variable="item"
>
> how do I refer to the correct tiddler?
>
> {{??!!text}} or some other way?
>
> I hope there's a way because it would make my wiki much easier to 
> understand if I could use variables as you suggest.
>
>
It is exposed on my first post. Maybe not clear enough. It depends on where 
you want to use it. If you want to just use it in a sentence or as a widget 
parameter reference it like it was a macro <>. If you want to use it 
as a sub-list parameter use single < instead of [. It is also an example on 
the first post. You can even use it within macros with the $(item)$ notation

\define myitem() tiddler name is $(item)$

<$list filter="[tag[Widgets]]" variable="item" >
<>


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