[tw] Re: How do I make a clone button which creates tiddlers silently?

[Måns]

Hi Matabele

Great :-) Thank you very much!!

I simply pasted the code from the clone button into your maketid widget - 
and it just works :-)

<$maketid edit="no"><$button message="tm-new-tiddler" 
param=<> tooltip={{$:/language/Buttons/Clone/Hint}} 
aria-label={{$:/language/Buttons/Clone/Caption}} 
class=<>>
<$list filter="[prefix[yes]]">
{{$:/core/images/clone-button}}

<$list filter="[prefix[yes]]">
<$text 
text={{$:/language/Buttons/Clone/Caption}}/>


To me it seems that the parameter you've added:
>*edit="yes" (default) opens the tiddler for editing – edit="show" 
navigates to but does not open the tiddler – edit="no" suppresses 
navigation*

should be implemented as an option for the tm-new-tiddler widget @Jeremy?

Cheers Måns Mårtensson


Den torsdag den 7. maj 2015 kl. 04.46.51 UTC+2 skrev Matabele:
>
> Hi Mans
>
> Perhaps this 
>  meets your 
> needs?
>
> regards
>
> On Tuesday, May 5, 2015 at 10:08:33 AM UTC+2, Måns wrote:
>>
>> Hi TwWizards
>>
>> How do I make a clone button which creates tiddlers silently?
>>
>> As I understand I have to use the action-setfield widget and not the 
>> tm-new-tiddler widget message to be able to generate/edit tiddlers without 
>> having to open them
>> I'd like to be able to do both:
>>
>> 1) Silently create tiddlers with new titles based on the first (current) 
>> tiddler's title (not a clone)
>> 2) Silently create multiple clones of the current tiddler with new titles 
>> based on the first (current) tiddler's title.
>>
>> Is this already possible?
>>
>> Cheers Måns Mårtensson
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Category task list and Calendar plugin

[Jed Carty]

Yes, I had seen GSD5 before. I seem to have some very specific list of 
features that need to be present for something I use. I am very bad at 
thinking of things in terms of current/waiting/future actions and splitting 
things up in the way that does. GSD also seems like it is made for 
organizing larger groups with a defined hierarchy, which is not a situation 
that do well in. The tagging available in tiddlywiki is one of the largest 
advantages of using it to organize information for me, and it doesn't look 
like GSD takes advantage of it.

I need things that:
*can be visually understood
*can be displayed using multiple methods
*are easily editable
*have multiple methods for searching
*have multiple methods for organizing
*configurable amounts of information available for each item
*I can edit and extend
*has easy to use and understand configuration options

and probably many other things that I haven't figured out how to properly 
articulate yet. It is a lot to do with seeing things in context, I am not 
good at using isolated pieces of information.

None of this is anything wrong or bad about other tools. I am very picky 
about these things and have what are probably special requirements on 
things that I am able to use consistently.

I am going to stop here because it is very easy for me to start ranting 
about how people in general (including myself) are bad at realizing the 
possibilities of indexing in digital media. 

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Re: [tw] Re: Is an inside out TiddlyWiki possible?

[Matabele]

Hi

Both the WorkFlowy app for iPhone and the app for Chrome can be used 
offline; and sync when the device goes online (or so the website claims -- 
I haven't tested this out yet.)

regards

On Thursday, May 7, 2015 at 5:15:49 AM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:

Thanks back, Matabele, for the mentions of these other tools. Gitbook looks 
> interesting for publishing. Hmmm
>
> Yeah, a workflowy plugin would be really cool! But for me the advantage of 
> workflowy is the unlimited levels of lists. I can basically put every 
> text note I ever take into it, with links to anything that is an image, a 
> table or a longer document. For me the drawback is not being able to work 
> offline. But apparently they are working on a tool for offline use.
>
>

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[tw] Re: Is an inside out TiddlyWiki possible?

[Jed Carty]

WorkFlowy looks interesting. I have been trying to make something like that 
for TiddlyWiki so I can integrate it with my calendar plugin. I am hoping 
that making the category lists, calendar and menus play well together will 
result in something with similar features. I think that everything in 
WorkFlowy but the dragging and dropping is possible to do in TiddlyWiki 
without too much trouble. I have been working on my own productivity thing 
using tiddlywiki and a raspberry pi running node and syncthing to connect 
everything.

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Re: [tw] Re: Is an inside out TiddlyWiki possible?

[David Gifford]

Thanks back, Matabele, for the mentions of these other tools. Gitbook looks
interesting for publishing. Hmmm

Yeah, a workflowy plugin would be really cool! But for me the advantage of
workflowy is the unlimited levels of lists. I can basically put every
text note I ever take into it, with links to anything that is an image, a
table or a longer document. For me the drawback is not being able to work
offline. But apparently they are working on a tool for offline use.

Dave

On Wednesday, May 6, 2015, Matabele  wrote:

> Hi
>
> Thanks for that -- nice piece of software! From there I found Slack
>  -- which looks to be a superior collaboration tool
> -- syncs nicely across all devices. I'll give both a try -- promising. I've
> been using Evernote, Pushbullet and Gitbook (synced with btsync), for this
> kind of thing. Might make a case for a change -- although I don't see
> WorkFlowy as a replacement for Evernote -- rather an additional tool. I'll
> have to see how they can work together.
>
> I really like the way the WorkFlowy outliner works -- good case for
> someone(?) to write a plugin for TW which duplicates this functionality.
> The TW could be used offline then synced whenever a device goes online --
> the CouchDB hosted version of TW was a move in this direction -- or perhaps
> syncing with Dropbox or btsync would be a better approach.
>
> regards
>
> On Wednesday, May 6, 2015 at 11:05:10 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Matabele,
>>
>> ...for introducing me to Cyborganize, which focused on BrainStormWFO, a
>> very nice tool. This set me to researching newer outlining tools. My
>> favorite, hands down, of the various tools I saw was workflowy.com. I
>> took some notes I had researched recently and in a very short amount of
>> time I organized them perfectly! Faster than I could have done in
>> TiddlyWiki. I love the interface and their way of doing things and
>> displaying them. TiddlyWiki is way better for finished articles, for my
>> website, and for productivity and work info. But I think I will probably
>> start using Workflowy for organizing my academic and personal notes. I am a
>> happy camper right now.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 6, 2015 at 1:40:02 AM UTC-5, Matabele wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> You might find the ideas from this site
>>>  of interest.
>>> Essentially, WordPress blogs are used for journalling, and clips are then
>>> moved into TiddlyWiki as raw ideas require massaging into information.
>>>
>>> I run my personal Wordpress journals in a docker.io
>>>  container, but any LAMP
>>> setup will do the trick -- like this one for Windows: Windows Installer
>>> 
>>>
>>> regards
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 3:57:03 AM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:

 Hi all,

 One goal that is always eluded me is the idea of having one TiddlyWiki
 file be a hub for all my notes, rather than spreading my notes out among
 several TiddlyWiki files. Tagging and hyperlinking will always be limited
 in application if one's ideas have to be spread out among different files.
 I have sensed I am not the only one who has seen TiddlyWiki as a potential
 route to a global personal information management tool. When node.js
 appeared I mistakenly thought it would be the solution to the filesize
 issue. But in practice it also slowed down with the inclusion of multiple
 images, etc.

 On my Recursos.giffmex.org, to keep file size to a minimum and
 increase the speed at which files can be opened by site users, I am using a
 central TiddlyWiki file that links to numerous static HTML files. I am
 using the create static file from tiddler button found in the search area.
 This has been a helpful process for me, but it has a drawback. If I want to
 edit a static file, I must actually edit the tiddler in the originating
 file, then create a replacement static file, and replace the old static
 file with it.

 This is caused me to wonder if there could be such a thing as an html
 file that could act like a tiddler only in the sense that it also has an
 edit template, so that it could be edited in the same way a tiddler is
 edited. That way the central TiddlyWiki could act as a hub with external
 links to small, easily editable HTML files that act as articles or entries.

 With such a system, a TiddlyWiki file could conceivably be a much more
 extensible knowlege base, since each tiddler in the central file would be
 small, only a hyperlink to the html file, plus any tags and internal
 hyperlinks to related tiddlers. And the html files would be small,
 basically the size of the static files I create now, plus the edit template
 mechanism.

 Of course, there would also be the need to quic

[tw] Re: How do I make a clone button which creates tiddlers silently?

[Matabele]

Hi Mans

Perhaps this  
meets your needs?

regards

On Tuesday, May 5, 2015 at 10:08:33 AM UTC+2, Måns wrote:
>
> Hi TwWizards
>
> How do I make a clone button which creates tiddlers silently?
>
> As I understand I have to use the action-setfield widget and not the 
> tm-new-tiddler widget message to be able to generate/edit tiddlers without 
> having to open them
> I'd like to be able to do both:
>
> 1) Silently create tiddlers with new titles based on the first (current) 
> tiddler's title (not a clone)
> 2) Silently create multiple clones of the current tiddler with new titles 
> based on the first (current) tiddler's title.
>
> Is this already possible?
>
> Cheers Måns Mårtensson
>
>

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[tw] Re: Is an inside out TiddlyWiki possible?

[Matabele]

Hi

Thanks for that -- nice piece of software! From there I found Slack 
 -- which looks to be a superior collaboration tool -- 
syncs nicely across all devices. I'll give both a try -- promising. I've 
been using Evernote, Pushbullet and Gitbook (synced with btsync), for this 
kind of thing. Might make a case for a change -- although I don't see 
WorkFlowy as a replacement for Evernote -- rather an additional tool. I'll 
have to see how they can work together.

I really like the way the WorkFlowy outliner works -- good case for 
someone(?) to write a plugin for TW which duplicates this functionality. 
The TW could be used offline then synced whenever a device goes online -- 
the CouchDB hosted version of TW was a move in this direction -- or perhaps 
syncing with Dropbox or btsync would be a better approach.

regards

On Wednesday, May 6, 2015 at 11:05:10 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Thanks Matabele, 
>
> ...for introducing me to Cyborganize, which focused on BrainStormWFO, a 
> very nice tool. This set me to researching newer outlining tools. My 
> favorite, hands down, of the various tools I saw was workflowy.com. I 
> took some notes I had researched recently and in a very short amount of 
> time I organized them perfectly! Faster than I could have done in 
> TiddlyWiki. I love the interface and their way of doing things and 
> displaying them. TiddlyWiki is way better for finished articles, for my 
> website, and for productivity and work info. But I think I will probably 
> start using Workflowy for organizing my academic and personal notes. I am a 
> happy camper right now.
>
> Dave
>
> On Wednesday, May 6, 2015 at 1:40:02 AM UTC-5, Matabele wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> You might find the ideas from this site 
>>  of interest. 
>> Essentially, WordPress blogs are used for journalling, and clips are then 
>> moved into TiddlyWiki as raw ideas require massaging into information. 
>>
>> I run my personal Wordpress journals in a docker.io 
>>  container, but any LAMP setup 
>> will do the trick -- like this one for Windows: Windows Installer 
>> 
>>
>> regards
>>
>> On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 3:57:03 AM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all, 
>>>
>>> One goal that is always eluded me is the idea of having one TiddlyWiki 
>>> file be a hub for all my notes, rather than spreading my notes out among 
>>> several TiddlyWiki files. Tagging and hyperlinking will always be limited 
>>> in application if one's ideas have to be spread out among different files. 
>>> I have sensed I am not the only one who has seen TiddlyWiki as a potential 
>>> route to a global personal information management tool. When node.js 
>>> appeared I mistakenly thought it would be the solution to the filesize 
>>> issue. But in practice it also slowed down with the inclusion of multiple 
>>> images, etc. 
>>>
>>> On my Recursos.giffmex.org, to keep file size to a minimum and increase 
>>> the speed at which files can be opened by site users, I am using a central 
>>> TiddlyWiki file that links to numerous static HTML files. I am using the 
>>> create static file from tiddler button found in the search area. This has 
>>> been a helpful process for me, but it has a drawback. If I want to edit a 
>>> static file, I must actually edit the tiddler in the originating file, then 
>>> create a replacement static file, and replace the old static file with it. 
>>>
>>> This is caused me to wonder if there could be such a thing as an html 
>>> file that could act like a tiddler only in the sense that it also has an 
>>> edit template, so that it could be edited in the same way a tiddler is 
>>> edited. That way the central TiddlyWiki could act as a hub with external 
>>> links to small, easily editable HTML files that act as articles or entries. 
>>>
>>> With such a system, a TiddlyWiki file could conceivably be a much more 
>>> extensible knowlege base, since each tiddler in the central file would be 
>>> small, only a hyperlink to the html file, plus any tags and internal 
>>> hyperlinks to related tiddlers. And the html files would be small, 
>>> basically the size of the static files I create now, plus the edit template 
>>> mechanism. 
>>>
>>> Of course, there would also be the need to quickly create such editable 
>>> files from within the TW file. 
>>>
>>> I am guessing that this is all just wishful thinking, but it doesn't 
>>> hurt to ask if this is in the realm of possibility, does it? Does this give 
>>> any of you developers some bright ideas? 
>>>
>>> Blessings, Dave 
>>>
>>

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[tw] [tw5] Is it possible to transclude a tiddler from another TiddlyWiki file.

[Raymond McDowell]

If I have multiple TiddlyWiki files, is it possible to transclude a tiddler 
from TiddlyWikiA to TiddlyWikiB?

Thanks in advance

Ray

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[tw] Re: Transcluding using a dynamic template name

[Lucian H]

On Thursday, 7 May 2015 00:04:26 UTC+1, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> You should be able to do this using variables and macros. Something like 
> this:
>
> \define TranscludeTemplate()
> {{||$(TemplateName)$}}
> \end
>
> <$set name=TemplateName value=whateveryourtemplatethingis>
> <>
> 
>

Aha! I'd been trying to do it the other way round. I didn't think of 
putting the transclude call into the macro! Many thanks!

Lucian 

>  
>

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[tw] Re: Transcluding using a dynamic template name

[Jed Carty]

You should be able to do this using variables and macros. Something like 
this:

\define TranscludeTemplate()
{{||$(TemplateName)$}}
\end

<$set name=TemplateName value=whateveryourtemplatethingis>
<>


I am assuming that you have however your template name is generated, so 
just put that in the place of whateveryourtemplatethingis and it should 
work. There are some ways to break this, the big one is that you can't put 
a widget as the input to another widget without jumping through some other 
hoops.

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[tw] Transcluding using a dynamic template name

[Lucian H]

Is there a way to do this? I want to build up the name of a template to 
transclude (based on tags on the tiddler) and then transclude it as a 
template. But I can't find any combination of syntax that will let me do 
this.

The {{||TiddlerName}} syntax doesn't seem to support embedded macros or 
transclusion, and nor does the tiddler attribute of the <$transclusion> 
widget. Am I missing something or is this impossible?

Cheers,

Lucian

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[tw] Re: Odd bug with divs and styles

[Lucian H]

On Wednesday, 6 May 2015 23:28:32 UTC+1, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
>
> The reason the problem doesn't appear if the divs are moved inside the 
> class wrapper is that ... effectively isolates the outer @@..@@ 
> from the inner one, like this:
>
> @@.class1 @@.class2 content here
>
>
Hmm. Ok. One thing that puzzles me in this case is that a) the docs 
explicitly state that multiple @@ lines in a row are ok and b) the 
following works fine:

@@.class1
@@.class2

Content 

@@

The real problem I've got in practice is that the  in question is 
actually in $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/body , and the @@s are in a tiddler I'm 
transcluding from there. That makes changing the html tree challenging.

Lucian

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[tw] Re: Odd bug with divs and styles

[Eric Shulman]

On Wednesday, May 6, 2015 at 2:51:19 PM UTC-7, Lucian H wrote:
>
> 
> @@.class1
> @@.class2
> Some text
> @@
> 
>
> Tiddlywiki breaks badly - you end up with the following html:
>
> 
> .class2
> Some text
> 
>