date:20170315

Hi Jeremy,

Yes I downloaded both a TW and the text file. I changed the name in the 
text file to eliminate complications due to spaces. I tried a variety of 
naming schemes. I also tried changing the extension to txt in case the 
system was confused by '.tid'.

The thing is, canonical uri works fine with local images. Is the handling 
of images different than that for the text file?

Thanks!
Mark

On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 11:21:00 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Mark
>
> But I'm using Firefox! (FF47.0.1, Win 7)
>
>
> Have you downloaded both the TW HTML file and the .tid file? It is 
> referenced via a local URL:
>
> ./text/Alice%2520in%2520Wonderland.tid
>
> The text adds the phrase: "In this configuration" suggesting that there is 
> some way to configure your browser to make it work.
>
>
> Yes, it’s unclear; the configuration it is referring to is http:// vs. 
> file://
>
> Perhaps that phrase should be dropped? Perhaps it should also not point a 
> person to a tiddler that doesn't exist and that could only tell the user 
> that it doesn't work in some browsers? It's a bit of a teaser the way it is 
> now.
>
>
> Perhaps so! Contributions welcome :)
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
>
> Thanks!
> Mark
>
> FF 47.0.1, Win 7
>
> On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 8:17:56 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mark
>>
>> On 15 Mar 2017, at 14:55, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> So, I click through to see what ExternalText tells me and ... it's empty. 
>> So what to do?
>>
>>
>> As the text implies, it is down to browser differences. TiddlyWiki tries 
>> to retrieve the external text using XMLHttpRequest(), which doesn’t work 
>> from HTML files loaded from a file:// URI. On my machine, only Firefox 
>> loads the example text when viewed over file://.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy.
>>
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[tw] Re: Presenting: QuickImg - easily add completely new images

Hi Mat,

I didn't mean hypothetically ... I meant is there a way to currently use 
the image browser to look at the local directory. 

Thanks!
Mark

On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 4:43:32 PM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>
> Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> But the image picker doesn't work with the local  images, does it? 
>>
>
> Here's a test that indicates that it would work, unless I misunderstand 
> you.
> This example assumes have local images in same folder as your TW and that 
> you have corresponding tiddlers for them with _canonical_uri : ./filetitle
> (BTW, note that a _canonical_uri image tiddler can apparently have any 
> image type (e.g image/png) regardless of the image files actual type.)
>
> <$list filter="[type[image/png]has[_canonical_uri]]" variable="xx">
>   <$list filter="[get[_canonical_uri]prefix[./]]">
> 
>   <$transclude tiddler=<>/>
>   
> 
>   
> 
>
>  
>
>> Is there a way to scroll through the images? On mine, there is no scroll 
>> bar for the images, so you can only pick from the first page of images.
>>
>
> Yeah, assuming you're referring to the search results. I've actually 
> covered the top with an absolute(ly) positioned div and it covers the 
> scroll handle when the search result is short  or perhaps depending on 
> screen settings. I'll do something about this in a later release but you 
> should be able to click on the (not easily seen) scrollbar anyway. 
>
>
> <:-)
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Re: [tw] Re: Presenting: QuickImg - easily add completely new images

Good initiative, Xavier! Why not leave off the link to ExternalText, since 
there is no corresponding tiddler? Then if there ever is something 
additional to write, it can be put back in.

-- Mark

On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 1:29:32 PM UTC-7, Xavier wrote:
>
> Hi Mark, Jeremy,
>
> I was just issuing a pull request for other clarifications regarding 
> External content/text. So I added a commit to reflect your discussion about 
> what wiki configuration means in this context: 
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2803/commits/aedb096d780e1c02d6cc626cadfebd197c2d157b.
>  
> Let me know if I should correct it further.
>
> Best,
> --Xavier.
>
> -- Xavier Cazin
>
> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 7:20 PM, Jeremy Ruston  > wrote:
>
>> Hi Mark
>>
>> But I'm using Firefox! (FF47.0.1, Win 7)
>>
>>
>> Have you downloaded both the TW HTML file and the .tid file? It is 
>> referenced via a local URL:
>>
>> ./text/Alice%2520in%2520Wonderland.tid
>>
>> The text adds the phrase: "In this configuration" suggesting that there 
>> is some way to configure your browser to make it work.
>>
>>
>> Yes, it’s unclear; the configuration it is referring to is http:// vs. 
>> file://
>>
>> Perhaps that phrase should be dropped? Perhaps it should also not point a 
>> person to a tiddler that doesn't exist and that could only tell the user 
>> that it doesn't work in some browsers? It's a bit of a teaser the way it is 
>> now.
>>
>>
>> Perhaps so! Contributions welcome :)
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Mark
>>
>> FF 47.0.1, Win 7
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 8:17:56 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Mark
>>>
>>> On 15 Mar 2017, at 14:55, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> So, I click through to see what ExternalText tells me and ... it's 
>>> empty. So what to do?
>>>
>>>
>>> As the text implies, it is down to browser differences. TiddlyWiki tries 
>>> to retrieve the external text using XMLHttpRequest(), which doesn’t work 
>>> from HTML files loaded from a file:// URI. On my machine, only Firefox 
>>> loads the example text when viewed over file://.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> Jeremy.
>>>
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[tw] Re: Presenting: QuickImg - easily add completely new images

On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 3:48:32 PM UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
>
> But the image picker doesn't work with the local  images, does it? 
>

Here's a test that indicates that it would work, unless I misunderstand you.
This example assumes have local images in same folder as your TW and that 
you have corresponding tiddlers for them with _canonical_uri : ./filetitle
(BTW, note that a _canonical_uri image tiddler can apparently have any 
image type (e.g image/png) regardless of the image files actual type.)

<$list filter="[type[image/png]has[_canonical_uri]]" variable="xx">
  <$list filter="[get[_canonical_uri]prefix[./]]" variable="yy">

  <$transclude tiddler=<>/>

> Is there a way to scroll through the images? On mine, there is no scroll 
> bar for the images, so you can only pick from the first page of images.
>

Yeah, assuming you're referring to the search results. I've actually 
covered the top with an absolute(ly) positioned div and it covers the 
scroll handle when the search result is short  or perhaps depending on 
screen settings. I'll do something about this in a later release but you 
should be able to click on the (not easily seen) scrollbar anyway. 

<:-)

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Help for Search customization (filter work)

Just a thought. Instead of a system based on enforced naming conventions, 
why not have each of the comment tiddlers tagged with the name of the 
original TableA (etc.) tiddler. Then extracting the matching tiddlers (as 
tags) would be much easier and wouldn't require extraordinary measures ??

Good luck,
Mark

On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 12:56:32 PM UTC-7, François Godard wrote:
>
> Hi guys !
>
> I realize I have a very specific request. But hopefully 
> challenging/interesting enough for you guys.
> I put some background info, so you understand where I am coming from but I 
> guess you can skip the paragraph, till the issue bit
>
> *Background* : I have migrated a chm file that document an internal 
> database, into TW5 of course. The migration is done with a Vim script that 
> converts the html into tiddlers. The files are then imported nicely in TW. 
> This works great. The purpose of this is to allow me and colleagues to add 
> notes to the documentation. Documentation is never complete and you always 
> want to write down a SQL query and share it. So you can add some tiddlers 
> to the tiddlywiki (not easily done with chm). Point is the DB evolves and 
> new chm come up from time to time. So to keep the notes and allow for 
> refreshed tiddlers, I came up with this :
>
>- The migrated tiddlers are named by database object typically table 
>name. I'll use tableA in the examples
>- These have embedded a button at the top that will create a relative 
>tiddler to their name : TableA+ (just add the "+" suffix)
>- They transclude this relative tiddler (basically  the migrated 
>tiddler include {{TableA+}} even if it does not exist yet.
>- So if a comment was made , the TableA+ is created and kept , and 
>TableA is updated at the new migration.
>- I apply the same idea for a bottom comment with suffix "+b" , that 
>creates TableA+b, and to create comment for each field of the table, so 
>TableA.field1+ can be created
>
> This again works very nicely. Now comes the point. I want to search 
> through Table documentation and my notes at the same time. and the default 
> search can come up with many entry for the same table (TableA, TableA+, 
> TableA.fieldn+, TableA+b). What I want is to get only one result back from 
> the search (nicer, more compact result set)
>
> *Here is my issue*
> The tiddlywiki is full of comment tiddlers that have suffix "+", "+b" and 
> ".fieldn+". 
> These comments refers to the a main tiddler named "TableA". 
>
> I want to be able to search through all of these, but only offer a link to 
> the main tiddler . So if my search string is found in "TableA+", I want the 
> search to return TableA
> This can be done for the "+" and "+b" suffix, using removesuffix operator
>
> in the macro that customize the search, i will use the following to change 
> the link to remove from the tiddlers the "+b" suffix
>
> [!is[system]search{$(searchTiddler)$}!regexp[\..*\+]] +[removesuffix[+b]]
>
> I do the same with "+" suffix, add the tiddlers corresponding to the table 
> (removesuffix does filter out the tiddlers without suffix) , do the union 
> of the lot, and sort it back.
>
> <$list filter="[!is[system]search{$(searchTiddler)$}!regexp[\..*\+]] 
> +[removesuffix[+]] [!is[system]search{$(searchTiddler)$}!regexp[\..*\+]] 
> +[removesuffix[+b]] 
> [!is[system]search{$(searchTiddler)$}!suffix[+]!suffix[+b]] 
> [!is[system]search{$(searchTiddler)$}regexp[\..*\+]] +[sort[]]">
>
> The code above include the regexp operator to include or exclude the 
> tiddlers with the ".field1+" or ".field67+" suffix. But for them I don't 
> know how to remove the suffix. *removesuffix does not work with regular 
> expressions*
>
> *So in short*
> *is there a way to remove a suffix that you can identify through regular 
> expressions ?*
>
> I guess variables could help, but I would not know where to start. Can you 
> provide clues ?
> Also I am not fully confortable on how to customize the search, is there 
> any example around of customized searchs appart from the timeline in 
> tiddlywiki.com ? where is the code for the default search ?
>
> Many thanks for your help. Sorry for the long post
>
>
>
>
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[tw] [TW5] Creating editable HistoryView of opened tiddlers

2017-03-15 Thread 'Alex' via TiddlyWiki

Hi,

im trying to create a tiddler with a list auf tiddler-titles. This list
shows every opened tiddler from top to botton, so if you open another
tiddler its title is appended to the botton.

Furthermore there are little "x's" to delete single tiddlers from this
list. The title is not deleted if you close a tiddler.

The last step would be a button to export all shown tiddlers in the shown
order to static html.

I looked up the $:/HistoryList tiddler which seems to be exactly what I'm
looking for. I tried to get the titles with TextReference
(http://tiddlywiki.com/static/TextReference.html) but this does not work. I
thinks it is because of the structure of this JSONTiddler ("Note: *It is
currently only possible to retrieve data from the immediate properties of
the root object of a JSONTiddler." *
[http://tiddlywiki.com/static/DataTiddlers.html]).

My question is: Is it possible to extract the title of the opened tiddlers
from $:/HistoryList to add them to an editable list for printing in the
exact "open-order" ? Maybe a way to append all entries of
$:/HistoryList!currentTiddler to a list?

Best regards

Alex

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Re: [tw] Re: Presenting: QuickImg - easily add completely new images

2017-03-15 Thread Xavier Cazin

Hi Mark, Jeremy,

I was just issuing a pull request for other clarifications regarding
External content/text. So I added a commit to reflect your discussion about
what wiki configuration means in this context:
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2803/commits/aedb096d780e1c02d6cc626cadfebd197c2d157b.
Let me know if I should correct it further.

Best,
--Xavier.

-- Xavier Cazin

On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 7:20 PM, Jeremy Ruston 
wrote:

> Hi Mark
>
> But I'm using Firefox! (FF47.0.1, Win 7)
>
>
> Have you downloaded both the TW HTML file and the .tid file? It is
> referenced via a local URL:
>
> ./text/Alice%2520in%2520Wonderland.tid
>
> The text adds the phrase: "In this configuration" suggesting that there is
> some way to configure your browser to make it work.
>
>
> Yes, it’s unclear; the configuration it is referring to is http:// vs.
> file://
>
> Perhaps that phrase should be dropped? Perhaps it should also not point a
> person to a tiddler that doesn't exist and that could only tell the user
> that it doesn't work in some browsers? It's a bit of a teaser the way it is
> now.
>
>
> Perhaps so! Contributions welcome :)
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
>
> Thanks!
> Mark
>
> FF 47.0.1, Win 7
>
> On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 8:17:56 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mark
>>
>> On 15 Mar 2017, at 14:55, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> So, I click through to see what ExternalText tells me and ... it's empty.
>> So what to do?
>>
>>
>> As the text implies, it is down to browser differences. TiddlyWiki tries
>> to retrieve the external text using XMLHttpRequest(), which doesn’t work
>> from HTML files loaded from a file:// URI. On my machine, only Firefox
>> loads the example text when viewed over file://.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy.
>>
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Re: [tw] Re: GitHub MD wiki -> TiddlyWiki?

2017-03-15 Thread Jack Armitage

Thanks for the replies everyone. It certainly seems doable!

@Pmario, we have not really proposed this as a definite change, and the 
wiki would still stay on GitHub at least for now. We are interested in 
options for having the wiki available in our environment though so 
TiddlyWiki could be a possibility for that. The benefit that I see is that 
each user could then edit this base wiki to make it their own and document 
their projects, and potentially contribute back to the main wiki.

Jack

On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 5:41:19 PM UTC, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
>
> As Jeremy pointed out. Relatively straight forward, but some tweaking 
> needed. Since There are only 39 wiki pages atm. Manually transferring the 
> stuff should be about 1h work.  
>
>
> It can be automated easily; GitHub wikis are stored as repositories behind 
> the scenes (see 
> https://help.github.com/articles/adding-and-editing-wiki-pages-locally/). 
> So you can clone the wiki repo with:
>
> git clone https://github.com/BelaPlatform/Bela.wiki.git
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>

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[tw] Re: Voicing Futures ...

I don't actually know. I am allowed to use USB thumb drives, though. So it 
is something to think about.

On Sunday, March 12, 2017 at 10:01:50 AM UTC-4, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> *Here is a discussion I and Jeremy Ruston started, privately, on Twitter. 
> We realised that it could just as well be public in case anyone else wants 
> to read / comment ... *
>
> *Josiah, 1... *
> Are we all doomed to have to give up on simple download file-saving? 
>
> Do you know if the excellent TiddlyFox 2 will still work after the ominous 
> Firefox 57? 
>
> WHY do Mozilla take so LONG approving add-ons? 
>
> WHY do you keep TiddlyFox on Mozilla add-ons marked as "Experimental"? 
>
> Best wishes 
> Josiah
>
>
> *Jeremy, 1...*
> By “simple download file saving” do you mean the default fall back HTML 5 
> saver? I’ve no idea about Firefox 57. I’ve no idea why Mozilla do what they 
> do. I mark it experimental to save it going through Mozilla’s more rigorous 
> full review. 
>
>
> *Josiah, 2...*
> Ciao Jeremy. I guess where I am coming from is as a "naive" user (well, 
> I'm pretending to be one & try stay in that skin a bit). 
>
> I'm trying to get my head round the stumbling blocks to better uptake of 
> TW. 
>
> No. On "saving" I mean what TiddlyFox does brilliantly, simply. Overwrite. 
> The fallback behaviour of save(1) save(2) is not viable, IMO, for most 
> folk. 
>
> On Mozilla ... on everything I read they are internally confident in what 
> they are doing ... just about everything else is like witnessing shooting 
> into the foot. It all gets too convoluted. 
>
> I now understand why you keep it "experimental". From a naive user point 
> of view its a slight put-off. I'm not sure but does the latest v1 still 
> work in FF 52. 57 is when they say they will go wholly WebExtensions: Firefox 
> 57 - Compatability Milestone 
> 
>
> *Jeremy, 2...*
> Here’s the thing: all the difficulties in getting started with TiddlyWiki 
> stem from the single file architecture. It’s fiddly and unfamiliar to most 
> people. The simple fix is to move it to an online service, when all those 
> problems melt away. Simple. If on the other hand, anyone wants the 
> considerable advantages of working offline without a server, well, then 
> TiddlyWiki is the only thing on the planet that can help them, and it comes 
> with a learning curve. That’s life.
>
> *Jeremy, 3...*
> My sense is that you are pushing to find a way for the standalone HTML 
> file experience to match the ease of use of an online service. I don’t 
> think that’s possible.
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Introducing a simple BarChart plugin

I really need to stop trying to make jokes in text forums. They just don't 
translate as well as I hope.

I like the progress bar add-in too.

On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 3:26:27 PM UTC-4, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> That wasn't a suggestion to use those colors, I was just saying that you 
> set the colors used when you use the widget like this:
>
> <$ProgressBar filters='[[SomeFilter]],[[SomeOtherFilter]]' 
> colors='color1,color2'/>
>
> It doesn't require changing anything in the code. I will update the 
> default colors to something later tonight, and maybe add an option to make 
> vertical bars and maybe side-by-side things.
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[tw] [TW5] Help for Search customization (filter work)

2017-03-15 Thread François Godard

Hi guys !

I realize I have a very specific request. But hopefully 
challenging/interesting enough for you guys.
I put some background info, so you understand where I am coming from but I 
guess you can skip the paragraph, till the issue bit

*Background* : I have migrated a chm file that document an internal 
database, into TW5 of course. The migration is done with a Vim script that 
converts the html into tiddlers. The files are then imported nicely in TW. 
This works great. The purpose of this is to allow me and colleagues to add 
notes to the documentation. Documentation is never complete and you always 
want to write down a SQL query and share it. So you can add some tiddlers 
to the tiddlywiki (not easily done with chm). Point is the DB evolves and 
new chm come up from time to time. So to keep the notes and allow for 
refreshed tiddlers, I came up with this :

   - The migrated tiddlers are named by database object typically table 
   name. I'll use tableA in the examples
   - These have embedded a button at the top that will create a relative 
   tiddler to their name : TableA+ (just add the "+" suffix)
   - They transclude this relative tiddler (basically  the migrated tiddler 
   include {{TableA+}} even if it does not exist yet.
   - So if a comment was made , the TableA+ is created and kept , and 
   TableA is updated at the new migration.
   - I apply the same idea for a bottom comment with suffix "+b" , that 
   creates TableA+b, and to create comment for each field of the table, so 
   TableA.field1+ can be created

This again works very nicely. Now comes the point. I want to search through 
Table documentation and my notes at the same time. and the default search 
can come up with many entry for the same table (TableA, TableA+, 
TableA.fieldn+, TableA+b). What I want is to get only one result back from 
the search (nicer, more compact result set)

*Here is my issue*
The tiddlywiki is full of comment tiddlers that have suffix "+", "+b" and 
".fieldn+". 
These comments refers to the a main tiddler named "TableA". 

I want to be able to search through all of these, but only offer a link to 
the main tiddler . So if my search string is found in "TableA+", I want the 
search to return TableA
This can be done for the "+" and "+b" suffix, using removesuffix operator

in the macro that customize the search, i will use the following to change 
the link to remove from the tiddlers the "+b" suffix

[!is[system]search{$(searchTiddler)$}!regexp[\..*\+]] +[removesuffix[+b]]

I do the same with "+" suffix, add the tiddlers corresponding to the table 
(removesuffix does filter out the tiddlers without suffix) , do the union 
of the lot, and sort it back.

<$list filter="[!is[system]search{$(searchTiddler)$}!regexp[\..*\+]] 
+[removesuffix[+]] [!is[system]search{$(searchTiddler)$}!regexp[\..*\+]] 
+[removesuffix[+b]] [!is[system]search{$(searchTiddler)$}!suffix[+]!suffix[+b]] 
[!is[system]search{$(searchTiddler)$}regexp[\..*\+]] +[sort[]]">

The code above include the regexp operator to include or exclude the 
tiddlers with the ".field1+" or ".field67+" suffix. But for them I don't 
know how to remove the suffix. *removesuffix does not work with regular 
expressions*

*So in short*
*is there a way to remove a suffix that you can identify through regular 
expressions ?*

I guess variables could help, but I would not know where to start. Can you 
provide clues ?
Also I am not fully confortable on how to customize the search, is there 
any example around of customized searchs appart from the timeline in 
tiddlywiki.com ? where is the code for the default search ?

Many thanks for your help. Sorry for the long post




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Re: Re: [tw] Voicing Futures ...

The challenge with any solution that involves more than using a web browser 
is that some of us won't be able to use it. I suspect this group is a small 
sub-set of TiddlyWiki users, so your idea still has merit and, I think, 
should be pursued.

I use TiddyWiki at work because most of the information sources and tools I 
need to look things up are on slow sharepoint sites (is there such a thing 
as a fast sharepoint?). So, I copy the stuff I need from sharepoint into a 
local TiddlyWiki.

I'm technically savvy enough to confidently install node.js on my work 
computer but I'm not allowed to. I shouldn't even be able to except I need 
escalated privileges for one of the tasks I have to do. But, the company's 
desktop IDS would catch if I installed node.js without permission (which I 
won't get). Fortunately, add-ins for Chrome are allowed (and they haven't 
updated Chrome yet, so it still works). Sadly, I'm not allowed Firefox (I 
don't know why).

When they update Chrome, I will need to switch how I use TiddyWiki and have 
a slew of index(n).html files to sort through.


At home, I don't have this problem. I have a small server (Intel NUC) that 
provides me with a tiddlywiki server (apache, php, and store.php). But, the 
average non-technical user wouldn't be able to do that.

On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 10:53:57 AM UTC-4, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> I'm thinking of a simple one file store.js file that would allow you to 
> load any TiddlyWiki from the folder you are serving and it would post the 
> changes back to the server.
>
> node.exe store.js /path/to/my/folder
>
> Navigate to http://127.0.0.1 and it will show you a standard directory 
> listing allowing you to select which tiddlywiki you want. 
>
> It could load the tiddlywiki directly or in an iframe and then save 
> changes back to the server.
>
> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 10:50 AM, Arlen Beiler  > wrote:
>
>> What if we would combine the best of both words?
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 10:48 AM, @TiddlyTweeter > > wrote:
>>
>>> Ciao all ...
>>>
>>> The starting post for this thread came from a private discussion that 
>>> Jeremy Ruston and I had on Twitter. We both realised it would likely be 
>>> more productive in public ... 
>>>
>>> Central to it is this by Jeremy in response to my queries...
>>>
>>> Here’s the thing: all the difficulties in getting started with 
 TiddlyWiki stem from the single file architecture. 
>>>
>>> It’s fiddly and unfamiliar to most people. 
>>>
>>> The simple fix is to move it to an online service, when all those 
 problems melt away. Simple. 
>>>
>>> If on the other hand, anyone wants the considerable advantages of 
 working offline without a server, well, then TiddlyWiki is the only thing 
 on the planet that can help them, 
>>>
>>> and it comes with a learning curve.  *(Layout edited slightly by me)*
>>>
>>>
>>> There is a hell of a lot of his experience and knowledge packed into 
>>> that one paragraph. Its almost a roadmap to the future too?? 
>>>
>>> Its the implications of this vision (as well, I guess, its accuracy) 
>>> that I think is worthy of much attention.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Josiah
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Re: Re: [tw] Voicing Futures ...

Are you allowed to use portable apps? I am thinking of something that would
not require installation.

On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 12:44 PM, Lost Admin  wrote:

> The challenge with any solution that involves more than using a web
> browser is that some of us won't be able to use it. I suspect this group is
> a small sub-set of TiddlyWiki users, so your idea still has merit and, I
> think, should be pursued.
>
> I use TiddyWiki at work because most of the information sources and tools
> I need to look things up are on slow sharepoint sites (is there such a
> thing as a fast sharepoint?). So, I copy the stuff I need from sharepoint
> into a local TiddlyWiki.
>
> I'm technically savvy enough to confidently install node.js on my work
> computer but I'm not allowed to. I shouldn't even be able to except I need
> escalated privileges for one of the tasks I have to do. But, the company's
> desktop IDS would catch if I installed node.js without permission (which I
> won't get). Fortunately, add-ins for Chrome are allowed (and they haven't
> updated Chrome yet, so it still works). Sadly, I'm not allowed Firefox (I
> don't know why).
>
> When they update Chrome, I will need to switch how I use TiddyWiki and
> have a slew of index(n).html files to sort through.
>
>
> At home, I don't have this problem. I have a small server (Intel NUC) that
> provides me with a tiddlywiki server (apache, php, and store.php). But, the
> average non-technical user wouldn't be able to do that.
>
> On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 10:53:57 AM UTC-4, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>>
>> I'm thinking of a simple one file store.js file that would allow you to
>> load any TiddlyWiki from the folder you are serving and it would post the
>> changes back to the server.
>>
>> node.exe store.js /path/to/my/folder
>>
>> Navigate to http://127.0.0.1 and it will show you a standard directory
>> listing allowing you to select which tiddlywiki you want.
>>
>> It could load the tiddlywiki directly or in an iframe and then save
>> changes back to the server.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 10:50 AM, Arlen Beiler  wrote:
>>
>>> What if we would combine the best of both words?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 10:48 AM, @TiddlyTweeter 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Ciao all ...

 The starting post for this thread came from a private discussion that
 Jeremy Ruston and I had on Twitter. We both realised it would likely be
 more productive in public ...

 Central to it is this by Jeremy in response to my queries...

 Here’s the thing: all the difficulties in getting started with
> TiddlyWiki stem from the single file architecture.

 It’s fiddly and unfamiliar to most people.

 The simple fix is to move it to an online service, when all those
> problems melt away. Simple.

 If on the other hand, anyone wants the considerable advantages of
> working offline without a server, well, then TiddlyWiki is the only thing
> on the planet that can help them,

 and it comes with a learning curve.  *(Layout edited slightly by me)*


 There is a hell of a lot of his experience and knowledge packed into
 that one paragraph. Its almost a roadmap to the future too??

 Its the implications of this vision (as well, I guess, its accuracy)
 that I think is worthy of much attention.

 Best wishes
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Introducing a simple BarChart plugin

That wasn't a suggestion to use those colors, I was just saying that you 
set the colors used when you use the widget like this:

<$ProgressBar filters='[[SomeFilter]],[[SomeOtherFilter]]' 
colors='color1,color2'/>

It doesn't require changing anything in the code. I will update the default 
colors to something later tonight, and maybe add an option to make vertical 
bars and maybe side-by-side things.

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Re: [tw] Re: Presenting: QuickImg - easily add completely new images

Hi Mark

> But I'm using Firefox! (FF47.0.1, Win 7)

Have you downloaded both the TW HTML file and the .tid file? It is referenced 
via a local URL:

./text/Alice%2520in%2520Wonderland.tid

> The text adds the phrase: "In this configuration" suggesting that there is 
> some way to configure your browser to make it work.

Yes, it’s unclear; the configuration it is referring to is http:// vs. file://

> Perhaps that phrase should be dropped? Perhaps it should also not point a 
> person to a tiddler that doesn't exist and that could only tell the user that 
> it doesn't work in some browsers? It's a bit of a teaser the way it is now.

Perhaps so! Contributions welcome :)

Best wishes

Jeremy



> 
> Thanks!
> Mark
> 
> FF 47.0.1, Win 7
> 
> On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 8:17:56 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
> Hi Mark
> 
>> On 15 Mar 2017, at 14:55, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> So, I click through to see what ExternalText tells me and ... it's empty. So 
>> what to do?
> 
> As the text implies, it is down to browser differences. TiddlyWiki tries to 
> retrieve the external text using XMLHttpRequest(), which doesn’t work from 
> HTML files loaded from a file:// URI. On my machine, only Firefox loads the 
> example text when viewed over file://.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy.
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Introducing a simple BarChart plugin

Please don't. 'pink,violet,blue' would be less painful.

Jed, perhaps use something like this when picking 
colors: http://paletton.com/#uid=3000u0kaRqA37Kd6HvJfbm2iZhi


On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 12:52:56 PM UTC-4, Jed Carty wrote:
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> you don't need to modify the code, just put colors='pink,orange,blue' in 
> the widget to make it use pink orange and blue.
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Re: [tw] Re: Presenting: QuickImg - easily add completely new images

But I'm using Firefox! (FF47.0.1, Win 7) The text adds the phrase: "In this 
configuration" suggesting that there is some way to configure your browser 
to make it work. Perhaps that phrase should be dropped? Perhaps it should 
also not point a person to a tiddler that doesn't exist and that could only 
tell the user that it doesn't work in some browsers? It's a bit of a teaser 
the way it is now.

Thanks!
Mark

FF 47.0.1, Win 7

On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 8:17:56 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Mark
>
> On 15 Mar 2017, at 14:55, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddl...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>
> So, I click through to see what ExternalText tells me and ... it's empty. 
> So what to do?
>
>
> As the text implies, it is down to browser differences. TiddlyWiki tries 
> to retrieve the external text using XMLHttpRequest(), which doesn’t work 
> from HTML files loaded from a file:// URI. On my machine, only Firefox 
> loads the example text when viewed over file://.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>

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Re: [tw] Re: GitHub MD wiki -> TiddlyWiki?

> 
> As Jeremy pointed out. Relatively straight forward, but some tweaking needed. 
> Since There are only 39 wiki pages atm. Manually transferring the stuff 
> should be about 1h work.  

It can be automated easily; GitHub wikis are stored as repositories behind the 
scenes (see 
https://help.github.com/articles/adding-and-editing-wiki-pages-locally/). So 
you can clone the wiki repo with:

git clone https://github.com/BelaPlatform/Bela.wiki.git

Best wishes

Jeremy.

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[tw] Re: GitHub MD wiki -> TiddlyWiki?

Hi Jack,

On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 1:26:32 PM UTC+1, Jack Armitage wrote:
>
> I am part of a project that currently uses a GitHub wiki as it's main 
> source of documentation (https://github.com/belaplatform/bela/wiki).
>

Nice project! ... I had a short look at the code base. ... Your web based 
IDE is a node app. right? ... 

So you should have the whole TW build infrastructure in place already. ... 

TiddlyWiki can be automatically built with github web-hooks or life on the 
plattform if needed. There are 2 possibilities. 

a) Single file TW, that is self-contained and can be viewed with every 
browser. ... NO server side needed. Everything runs on the client.

b) So called "static" site, that "compiles" your wiki into several *.html 
files, which can be easily served with a small express based node server. 
This solution would need a server-side, but has basically no CPU overhead, 
since the work is already done on "compile time". Since the resulting html 
files contain mainly text, they should be small. ..

> Since it is based on Markdown, is it possible to automagically turn it 
> into a TiddlyWiki?
>

As Jeremy pointed out. Relatively straight forward, but some tweaking 
needed. Since There are only 39 wiki pages atm. Manually transferring the 
stuff should be about 1h work.  

Configuring and optimizing the workflow, will be definitely more work.

> Further, would it be possible to upstream updates from the GitHub wiki?
>

Yes. Should be straight forward too. ... It depends a little bit if you 
need a) or b) from above. ... But it should be doable.

have fun!
mario
PS: What does the community think about this change?

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Introducing a simple BarChart plugin

you don't need to modify the code, just put colors='pink,orange,blue' in 
the widget to make it use pink orange and blue.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Introducing a simple BarChart plugin

2017-03-15 Thread @TiddlyTweeter

Ciao Jed

Thank you very much for clarifying that issue on colours. I found your code 
remarkably easy to read and modify. Thanks!

Josiah

On Tuesday, 14 March 2017 21:46:01 UTC+1, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> TiddlyTweeter,
>
> 1) I am terrible at picking reasonable colours, if you have suggestions I 
> can change the defaults and the demo. I am dyslexic so I tend to go for 
> colours that give good contrast above other concerns and it usually results 
> in horrifically ugly interfaces, but in this case red green and yellow were 
> just the first three colours I typed in. You can set the colours used to 
> any valid css colours using either the names or numeric values.
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Re: Re: [tw] Voicing Futures ...

Any thoughts?

On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Arlen Beiler  wrote:

> I'm thinking of a simple one file store.js file that would allow you to
> load any TiddlyWiki from the folder you are serving and it would post the
> changes back to the server.
>
> node.exe store.js /path/to/my/folder
>
> Navigate to http://127.0.0.1 and it will show you a standard directory
> listing allowing you to select which tiddlywiki you want.
>
> It could load the tiddlywiki directly or in an iframe and then save
> changes back to the server.
>
> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 10:50 AM, Arlen Beiler  wrote:
>
>> What if we would combine the best of both words?
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 10:48 AM, @TiddlyTweeter > > wrote:
>>
>>> Ciao all ...
>>>
>>> The starting post for this thread came from a private discussion that
>>> Jeremy Ruston and I had on Twitter. We both realised it would likely be
>>> more productive in public ...
>>>
>>> Central to it is this by Jeremy in response to my queries...
>>>
>>> Here’s the thing: all the difficulties in getting started with
 TiddlyWiki stem from the single file architecture.
>>>
>>> It’s fiddly and unfamiliar to most people.
>>>
>>> The simple fix is to move it to an online service, when all those
 problems melt away. Simple.
>>>
>>> If on the other hand, anyone wants the considerable advantages of
 working offline without a server, well, then TiddlyWiki is the only thing
 on the planet that can help them,
>>>
>>> and it comes with a learning curve.  *(Layout edited slightly by me)*
>>>
>>>
>>> There is a hell of a lot of his experience and knowledge packed into
>>> that one paragraph. Its almost a roadmap to the future too??
>>>
>>> Its the implications of this vision (as well, I guess, its accuracy)
>>> that I think is worthy of much attention.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Josiah
>>>
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Re: [tw] Re: Presenting: QuickImg - easily add completely new images

Hi Mark

> On 15 Mar 2017, at 14:55, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> So, I click through to see what ExternalText tells me and ... it's empty. So 
> what to do?

As the text implies, it is down to browser differences. TiddlyWiki tries to 
retrieve the external text using XMLHttpRequest(), which doesn’t work from HTML 
files loaded from a file:// URI. On my machine, only Firefox loads the example 
text when viewed over file://.

Best wishes

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[tw] Re: Presenting: QuickImg - easily add completely new images

As I've mentioned before, it never works for me locally. I get:


Alice in wonderland

MAS
 15th March 2017 at 7:51am

Loading external text from *./Alice_in_Wonderland.tid*

If this message doesn't disappear you may be using a browser that doesn't 
support external text in this configuration. See http:
//tiddlywiki.com/#ExternalText



So, I click through to see what ExternalText tells me and ... it's empty. 
So what to do?

Thanks!
Mark

On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 3:39:47 AM UTC-7, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> This is a bit off topic but I had never seen the external text options! I 
> am not sure how I missed that, I think that it could be very useful for my 
> work on TiddlyLivre.
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Re: Re: [tw] Voicing Futures ...

I'm thinking of a simple one file store.js file that would allow you to
load any TiddlyWiki from the folder you are serving and it would post the
changes back to the server.

node.exe store.js /path/to/my/folder

Navigate to http://127.0.0.1 and it will show you a standard directory
listing allowing you to select which tiddlywiki you want.

It could load the tiddlywiki directly or in an iframe and then save changes
back to the server.

On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 10:50 AM, Arlen Beiler  wrote:

> What if we would combine the best of both words?
>
> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 10:48 AM, @TiddlyTweeter 
> wrote:
>
>> Ciao all ...
>>
>> The starting post for this thread came from a private discussion that
>> Jeremy Ruston and I had on Twitter. We both realised it would likely be
>> more productive in public ...
>>
>> Central to it is this by Jeremy in response to my queries...
>>
>> Here’s the thing: all the difficulties in getting started with TiddlyWiki
>>> stem from the single file architecture.
>>
>> It’s fiddly and unfamiliar to most people.
>>
>> The simple fix is to move it to an online service, when all those
>>> problems melt away. Simple.
>>
>> If on the other hand, anyone wants the considerable advantages of working
>>> offline without a server, well, then TiddlyWiki is the only thing on the
>>> planet that can help them,
>>
>> and it comes with a learning curve.  *(Layout edited slightly by me)*
>>
>>
>> There is a hell of a lot of his experience and knowledge packed into that
>> one paragraph. Its almost a roadmap to the future too??
>>
>> Its the implications of this vision (as well, I guess, its accuracy) that
>> I think is worthy of much attention.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Josiah
>>
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Re: Re: [tw] Voicing Futures ...

What if we would combine the best of both words?

On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 10:48 AM, @TiddlyTweeter 
wrote:

> Ciao all ...
>
> The starting post for this thread came from a private discussion that
> Jeremy Ruston and I had on Twitter. We both realised it would likely be
> more productive in public ...
>
> Central to it is this by Jeremy in response to my queries...
>
> Here’s the thing: all the difficulties in getting started with TiddlyWiki
>> stem from the single file architecture.
>
> It’s fiddly and unfamiliar to most people.
>
> The simple fix is to move it to an online service, when all those problems
>> melt away. Simple.
>
> If on the other hand, anyone wants the considerable advantages of working
>> offline without a server, well, then TiddlyWiki is the only thing on the
>> planet that can help them,
>
> and it comes with a learning curve.  *(Layout edited slightly by me)*
>
>
> There is a hell of a lot of his experience and knowledge packed into that
> one paragraph. Its almost a roadmap to the future too??
>
> Its the implications of this vision (as well, I guess, its accuracy) that
> I think is worthy of much attention.
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
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[tw] Re: Presenting: QuickImg - easily add completely new images

But the image picker doesn't work with the local  images, does it?  I was 
already aware that _canonical_uri works with local images. But it's almost 
better to use a system of macros, so that you can change the base address 
depending on context (from platform to platform the relative location may 
have to change). For instance, AndTidWiki forces you to use the internal 
memory card where memory is precious. The solution is to put other 
resources like images on a separate card.

Is there a way to scroll through the images? On mine, there is no scroll 
bar for the images, so you can only pick from the first page of images.

Thanks!
Mark

On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 12:49:22 AM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>
> Quick test shows it DOES work.
>
> Image in same file as local TW and then 
>
>
>
>
> For full path, if img stored elsewhere, example:
>
> file:///C:/Users/M/Downloads/mylocalimg.jpg
>
>
> <:-)
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Re: Re: [tw] Voicing Futures ...

2017-03-15 Thread @TiddlyTweeter

Ciao all ...

The starting post for this thread came from a private discussion that 
Jeremy Ruston and I had on Twitter. We both realised it would likely be 
more productive in public ... 

Central to it is this by Jeremy in response to my queries...

Here’s the thing: all the difficulties in getting started with TiddlyWiki 
> stem from the single file architecture. 

It’s fiddly and unfamiliar to most people. 

The simple fix is to move it to an online service, when all those problems 
> melt away. Simple. 

If on the other hand, anyone wants the considerable advantages of working 
> offline without a server, well, then TiddlyWiki is the only thing on the 
> planet that can help them, 

and it comes with a learning curve.  *(Layout edited slightly by me)*


There is a hell of a lot of his experience and knowledge packed into that 
one paragraph. Its almost a roadmap to the future too?? 

Its the implications of this vision (as well, I guess, its accuracy) that I 
think is worthy of much attention.

Best wishes
Josiah

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Re: Re: [tw] Voicing Futures ...

2017-03-15 Thread Jon

Excellent.

Regards
Jon

On Wednesday, 15 March 2017 13:10:16 UTC, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone, 
>
> It’s a shame to see this thread go a little off the rails as this is an 
> important and interesting discussion — which may be why it has aroused such 
> passions. That passion is itself an important component of the TiddlyWiki 
> community: for many of us, using and working on TiddlyWiki is deeply 
> intertwined with our lives, and so it’s natural to have strongly held 
> opinions about it. 
>
> Nonetheless, we all have to pay attention to how we behave in order to 
> keep things civil and fun. That means that we criticise ideas, not people; 
> that we start with the assumption that everyone is participating in good 
> faith, and we understand that the ambiguities and exigencies of online 
> communication can have inadvertent side effects. 
>
> We should never lose sight of what we have in common. This community is a 
> living example of how an incredibly diverse group of people can come 
> together and help one another. 
>
> Best wishes 
>
> Jeremy 
>
>
> > On 15 Mar 2017, at 00:48, Ákos Szederjei  > wrote: 
> > 
> > Dear Eric! 
> > 
> > Who said YOU are not being able to resolve it, or YOU do not want too, 
> because 
> > other feature are deemed more important? Really... 
> > The world is not revolving around you. This list is about TW and not 
> about 
> > your capabilities. What you do or want I could care less. It is not that 
> you 
> > will resolve the issue of the plug in on your own. If you are the sole 
> > developer of this issue I profoundly apologise. 
> > 
> > Talking about making stuff up? You claimed that the 4 step solution of 
> yours 
> > is the same as if the plug in is used. Really? I just closed a Tiddly in 
> old 
> > FF and it auto saved. The same, sure, and my microwaves make video 
> > recordings... 
> > 
> > Fortunately, I am not really dependent on the offline functionality for 
> my wiki. 
> > Your argumentation (or the lack of it) convinced me to switch now to 
> another 
> > wiki and not wait for a solution for TW' saving problem. 
> > 
> > Good luck with your endeavour! 
> > 
> > Ákos 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Mittwoch, 15. März 2017 00:56:53 CET Eric Shulman wrote: 
> >> On Tuesday, March 14, 2017 at 3:35:46 PM UTC-7, Ákos Szederjei wrote: 
> >>> I understand the technical difficulties, and it is ok not being able 
> to 
> >>> resolve 
> >> 
> >> it, or even not wanting too, because other feature are deemed more 
> >> 
> >>> important. 
> >> 
> >> It's ok to disagree with what I wrote... but... 
> >> 
> >> I never said ANYTHING about "not wanting to" or "deemed more important" 
> >> 
> >> DO NOT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH!!! 
> >> 
> >> Just because you don't agree with my explanation does not mean you get 
> to 
> >> MAKE STUFF UP about what I said. 
> >> 
> >> YOU ARE NOT DONALD TRUMP! 
> > 
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Re: Re: [tw] Voicing Futures ...

2017-03-15 Thread @TiddlyTweeter

Ciao Jeremy, Pmario, Mat & others ...

Thanks for pointing out the drift in the wrong direction. I agree its not 
terribly construction. 

My apologies to Eric if I came over as aggressive.  

I think my point is actually a broader one that I will try to present in a 
later post. 

By way of thoughts on thsi: The file-saving issues that me and others have 
presented quite passionately matter, I think, still. BUT they need 
contextualing in my opinion lest it looks like a conflict over ONE point. 
It isn't really. And the useful* context is Jeremy's second statement*. 

It is THAT, more than anything, that interested me personally to try and 
open up more.

Very best wishes to all
Josiah

On Wednesday, 15 March 2017 14:10:16 UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone, 
>
> It’s a shame to see this thread go a little off the rails as this is an 
> important and interesting discussion — which may be why it has aroused such 
> passions. That passion is itself an important component of the TiddlyWiki 
> community: for many of us, using and working on TiddlyWiki is deeply 
> intertwined with our lives, and so it’s natural to have strongly held 
> opinions about it. 
>
> Nonetheless, we all have to pay attention to how we behave in order to 
> keep things civil and fun. That means that we criticise ideas, not people; 
> that we start with the assumption that everyone is participating in good 
> faith, and we understand that the ambiguities and exigencies of online 
> communication can have inadvertent side effects. 
>
> We should never lose sight of what we have in common. This community is a 
> living example of how an incredibly diverse group of people can come 
> together and help one another. 
>
> Best wishes 
>
> Jeremy 
>
>
> > On 15 Mar 2017, at 00:48, Ákos Szederjei  > wrote: 
> > 
> > Dear Eric! 
> > 
> > Who said YOU are not being able to resolve it, or YOU do not want too, 
> because 
> > other feature are deemed more important? Really... 
> > The world is not revolving around you. This list is about TW and not 
> about 
> > your capabilities. What you do or want I could care less. It is not that 
> you 
> > will resolve the issue of the plug in on your own. If you are the sole 
> > developer of this issue I profoundly apologise. 
> > 
> > Talking about making stuff up? You claimed that the 4 step solution of 
> yours 
> > is the same as if the plug in is used. Really? I just closed a Tiddly in 
> old 
> > FF and it auto saved. The same, sure, and my microwaves make video 
> > recordings... 
> > 
> > Fortunately, I am not really dependent on the offline functionality for 
> my wiki. 
> > Your argumentation (or the lack of it) convinced me to switch now to 
> another 
> > wiki and not wait for a solution for TW' saving problem. 
> > 
> > Good luck with your endeavour! 
> > 
> > Ákos 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Mittwoch, 15. März 2017 00:56:53 CET Eric Shulman wrote: 
> >> On Tuesday, March 14, 2017 at 3:35:46 PM UTC-7, Ákos Szederjei wrote: 
> >>> I understand the technical difficulties, and it is ok not being able 
> to 
> >>> resolve 
> >> 
> >> it, or even not wanting too, because other feature are deemed more 
> >> 
> >>> important. 
> >> 
> >> It's ok to disagree with what I wrote... but... 
> >> 
> >> I never said ANYTHING about "not wanting to" or "deemed more important" 
> >> 
> >> DO NOT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH!!! 
> >> 
> >> Just because you don't agree with my explanation does not mean you get 
> to 
> >> MAKE STUFF UP about what I said. 
> >> 
> >> YOU ARE NOT DONALD TRUMP! 
> > 
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Re: [tw] Re: GitHub MD wiki -> TiddlyWiki?

The core TiddlyWiki 5 plugin library includes one that adds support for 
Markdown tiddlers. It uses “classic” Markdown, rather than GitHub Flavoured 
Markdown, but BJ has an alternative plugin that does support GFM:

http://bjtools.tiddlyspot.com/#MarKed

Under Node.js, you can easily process an entire directory of .md files into 
tiddlers. Create a folder within your wiki “tiddlers” folder containing a 
`tiddlywiki.files` file with something like:

{
"directories": [
{
"path": "./path/to/the/folder/containing/the/files",
"filesRegExp": "^.*\\.md$",
"isTiddlerFile": false,
"fields": {
"title": {"source": "filename"},
"created": {"source": "created"},
"modified": {"source": "modified"},
"type": "text/markdown",
}
}
]
}

See http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#tiddlywiki.files%20Files

Best wishes

Jeremy.

> This sounds more difficult then you probably wish. You would need a script to 
> convert the markdown files to tid files. You would have to add the markdown 
> plugin to the tiddlywiki.info  and then build. 
> TiddlyWiki is pretty much a single page HTML file so updates would need to be 
> managed via webhooks on a build system and the changes would be one way only 
> which means any edits on the tiddlywiki side would not be reflected on the 
> github wiki side.
> 
> Just think off the top of my head. It has been my experience that if your 
> team is already failure with GH wiki that attempting to on board them to TW 
> is a huge step. I've found that those who find TW on their own fall in love 
> with it. Those who are given TW from others get agitated and scornful. But I 
> could just be a pessimist.
> 
> On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 8:26:32 AM UTC-4, Jack Armitage wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I am part of a project that currently uses a GitHub wiki as it's main source 
> of documentation (https://github.com/belaplatform/bela/wiki 
> ).
> 
> Since it is based on Markdown, is it possible to automagically turn it into a 
> TiddlyWiki? Further, would it be possible to upstream updates from the GitHub 
> wiki?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jack
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[tw] Re: GitHub MD wiki -> TiddlyWiki?

2017-03-15 Thread Devin Weaver

This sounds more difficult then you probably wish. You would need a script 
to convert the markdown files to tid files. You would have to add the 
markdown plugin to the tiddlywiki.info and then build. TiddlyWiki is pretty 
much a single page HTML file so updates would need to be managed via 
webhooks on a build system and the changes would be one way only which 
means any edits on the tiddlywiki side would not be reflected on the github 
wiki side.

Just think off the top of my head. It has been my experience that if your 
team is already failure with GH wiki that attempting to on board them to TW 
is a huge step. I've found that those who find TW on their own fall in love 
with it. Those who are given TW from others get agitated and scornful. But 
I could just be a pessimist.

On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 8:26:32 AM UTC-4, Jack Armitage wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I am part of a project that currently uses a GitHub wiki as it's main 
> source of documentation (https://github.com/belaplatform/bela/wiki).
>
> Since it is based on Markdown, is it possible to automagically turn it 
> into a TiddlyWiki? Further, would it be possible to upstream updates from 
> the GitHub wiki?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jack
>

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Re: Re: [tw] Voicing Futures ...

Hello Everyone,

It’s a shame to see this thread go a little off the rails as this is an 
important and interesting discussion — which may be why it has aroused such 
passions. That passion is itself an important component of the TiddlyWiki 
community: for many of us, using and working on TiddlyWiki is deeply 
intertwined with our lives, and so it’s natural to have strongly held opinions 
about it.

Nonetheless, we all have to pay attention to how we behave in order to keep 
things civil and fun. That means that we criticise ideas, not people; that we 
start with the assumption that everyone is participating in good faith, and we 
understand that the ambiguities and exigencies of online communication can have 
inadvertent side effects.

We should never lose sight of what we have in common. This community is a 
living example of how an incredibly diverse group of people can come together 
and help one another.

Best wishes

Jeremy


> On 15 Mar 2017, at 00:48, Ákos Szederjei  wrote:
> 
> Dear Eric!
> 
> Who said YOU are not being able to resolve it, or YOU do not want too, 
> because 
> other feature are deemed more important? Really...
> The world is not revolving around you. This list is about TW and not about 
> your capabilities. What you do or want I could care less. It is not that you 
> will resolve the issue of the plug in on your own. If you are the sole 
> developer of this issue I profoundly apologise.
> 
> Talking about making stuff up? You claimed that the 4 step solution of yours 
> is the same as if the plug in is used. Really? I just closed a Tiddly in old 
> FF and it auto saved. The same, sure, and my microwaves make video 
> recordings...
> 
> Fortunately, I am not really dependent on the offline functionality for my 
> wiki. 
> Your argumentation (or the lack of it) convinced me to switch now to another 
> wiki and not wait for a solution for TW' saving problem. 
> 
> Good luck with your endeavour! 
> 
> Ákos
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mittwoch, 15. März 2017 00:56:53 CET Eric Shulman wrote:
>> On Tuesday, March 14, 2017 at 3:35:46 PM UTC-7, Ákos Szederjei wrote:
>>> I understand the technical difficulties, and it is ok not being able to
>>> resolve
>> 
>> it, or even not wanting too, because other feature are deemed more
>> 
>>> important.
>> 
>> It's ok to disagree with what I wrote... but...
>> 
>> I never said ANYTHING about "not wanting to" or "deemed more important"
>> 
>> DO NOT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH!!!
>> 
>> Just because you don't agree with my explanation does not mean you get to
>> MAKE STUFF UP about what I said.
>> 
>> YOU ARE NOT DONALD TRUMP!
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[tw] GitHub MD wiki -> TiddlyWiki?

2017-03-15 Thread Jack Armitage

Hello,

I am part of a project that currently uses a GitHub wiki as it's main 
source of documentation (https://github.com/belaplatform/bela/wiki).

Since it is based on Markdown, is it possible to automagically turn it into 
a TiddlyWiki? Further, would it be possible to upstream updates from the 
GitHub wiki?

Thanks,

Jack

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[tw] Re: Presenting: QuickImg - easily add completely new images

This is a bit off topic but I had never seen the external text options! I 
am not sure how I missed that, I think that it could be very useful for my 
work on TiddlyLivre.

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Re: [tw] Re: Voicing Futures ...

On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 10:31:16 AM UTC+1, Mat wrote:
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> Guys, guys, please keep it constructive. It is super easy to misunderstand 
> - and to misphrase - in this text discussion format. The real efforts are 
> towards the betterment of TW, which is difficult enough per se ;-)
>

Well said. 
 

> How about *bookmarklets*? Could there be a bookmarklet save button that 
> both has access rights to the page and to the local computer?
>

The same javascript restrictions as for pages, apply to bookmarks. 

-m

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[tw] Re: Has anyone made a mechanism for faster tagging?

Tobias Beer made an improved version of the rename tags tool that doesn't 
use two steps. The link is 
here: http://tobibeer.github.io/tb5/#Search%20And%20Replace%20Tag

If there is interest I may restart work on the tiddler editing tool here 
(http://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/TiddlerTools/) and release it as a 
collection of plugins under OokTech. After a bit more experience I think 
that it should be made up of a collection of smaller tools that can be 
displayed in a single tiddler instead of trying to create the entire thing 
as a single wikitext tool.

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Re: [tw] TW5 - Another RSOD suggestion

On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 11:03:52 AM UTC+1, tejjyid wrote:
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> "We are sorry!" is better than "This is embarrassing", although I would 
> omit both myself. I guess that depends on how often the RSOD is seen as a 
> result of user activity, vs system bug appearance. Obviously in the latter 
> case, if feels right to apologise. I prefer "To protect your data you need 
> to restart TiddlyWiki". If we stick with "highly recommend", I prefer 
> "restarting", but that may be Australian dialect.
>

IMO the core and tiddlywiki/plugins don't throw RSOD often. .. I personally 
only see it during development. And there, I don't even read it, since I 
have more info in the dev panel. .. 

So for users I'd go with "We are sorry! ... " because, it really shouldn't 
happen. 

We could also provide a link, to open a new issue at github. Similar to this 
one , that Mat and I 
created at the last EU meeting. ... It didn't make to TW yet and I didn't 
push it, since we already have enough pending PRs :/

-m

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[tw] Re: Presenting: QuickImg - easily add completely new images

2017-03-15 Thread Jon

Ooh Excellent!
I've been waiting for this.
Can't wait to try it out tonight.

Regards
Jon

On Wednesday, 15 March 2017 07:49:22 UTC, Mat wrote:
>
> Quick test shows it DOES work.
>
> Image in same file as local TW and then 
>
>
>
>
> For full path, if img stored elsewhere, example:
>
> file:///C:/Users/M/Downloads/mylocalimg.jpg
>
>
> <:-)
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Re: [tw] TW5 - Another RSOD suggestion

2017-03-15 Thread tejjyid

"We are sorry!" is better than "This is embarrassing", although I would 
omit both myself. I guess that depends on how often the RSOD is seen as a 
result of user activity, vs system bug appearance. Obviously in the latter 
case, if feels right to apologise. I prefer "To protect your data you need 
to restart TiddlyWiki". If we stick with "highly recommend", I prefer 
"restarting", but that may be Australian dialect.

AW

On Saturday, 11 March 2017 20:23:53 UTC+11, PMario wrote:
>
> On Saturday, March 11, 2017 at 9:05:14 AM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> As i've noted elsewhere "This is embarrassing" is not useful. You have no 
>> need to be embarrassed on my behalf - or indeed, your own, in the rare 
>> event that the error originates in TW core.
>>
>> I think I used that phrasing as a nod to a meme carried by Firefox and 
>> others (see below). I’d be happy to ditch it; it is a bit folksy for my 
>> tastes.
>>
>
> I can change the wording in PR #2799 
> , if you want. .. but 
> we have to be sure about the exact phrase, since it also affects all 
> translations. 
>
> I'd like to change the order of the arguments. eg: "We are sorry! To 
> protect your data we highly recommend to restart TiddlyWiki."
>
> -mario
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[tw] Re: TW5: New Tiddler From Button With Custom User Fields Added

2017-03-15 Thread tdymond630217

Oops, my sincerest apologies Eric for accidentally calling you Jeremy.  I guess 
I should read more than just the body of the replies, lol.  Please forgive me.

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[tw] Re: Case-sensitive search

2017-03-15 Thread Sven

Thanks Eric, that worked fine. :)

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Re: [tw] Re: Voicing Futures ...

Guys, guys, please keep it constructive. It is super easy to misunderstand 
- and to misphrase - in this text discussion format. The real efforts are 
towards the betterment of TW, which is difficult enough per se ;-)

Hopefully this idea/question can put focus back:

How about *bookmarklets*? Could there be a bookmarklet save button that 
both has access rights to the page and to the local computer?

Thank you!

<:-)

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[tw] Re: TW5: New Tiddler From Button With Custom User Fields Added

2017-03-15 Thread tdymond630217

I've consolidated your code into what I already had:

\define journalButton()
<$button aria-label={{$:/me/language/Buttons/NewFitness/Caption}} 
class=<>>
<$action-sendmessage
 $message="tm-new-tiddler" title=<> 
tags="Journal" journal-type="Fitness" journal-part="segment" year=<> month=<> day=<>/>
<$list filter="[prefix[yes]]">
{{$:/core/images/new-journal-button}}

<$list filter="[prefix[yes]]">
<$text 
text={{$:/me/language/Buttons/NewFitness/Caption}}/>


\end
<$set name="journalTitleTemplate" value={{$:/config/NewJournal/Title}}>
<>


...and it works perfectly!  Thank you very much Jeremy and great job with TW5!

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[tw] Re: TW5: New Tiddler From Button With Custom User Fields Added

Hi tdymon,
Hi Eric,

The example Eric posted is good for the described usecase but there is a 
little problem: The <> macros are evaluated, when the button is drawn. 
So if the date changes and you click the button, you'll get what is 
defined, but may be unexpected. 
If you show the button in a tiddler, there may be no big difference. But if 
the button is part of the sidebar, which isn't redrawn that often, it may 
cause confusion at around midnight :)

This does the same thing, but evaluates the now macros when you click the 
button: .. I did change day and month to min and sec .. to see the 
difference 

\define myNewJournal()
<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler"
   title=<>
   tags="journal"

   text=""
   journal-type="fitness"
   journal-part="segment"

   min=<>
   sec=<>
/>
\end

<$button actions=<> >
New Tiddler


Also see: http://tiddlywiki.com/#ActionWidgets

have fun!
mario

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[tw] Re: TW5: New Tiddler From Button With Custom User Fields Added

2017-03-15 Thread Eric Shulman

errata: sample code should be:

<$button>
<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler"
   title=<>
   tags="journal"
   text=""
   journal-type="fitness"
   journal-part="segment"
   year=<>
   month=<>
   day=<>
/>
New Tiddler



(replaced erroneous ":" with "=" in last three param declarations)

-e

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[tw] Re: Case-sensitive search

2017-03-15 Thread Eric Shulman

On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 12:48:27 AM UTC-7, Sven wrote:
>
> Is there an easy way to make the search case-sensitive?
> http://tiddlywiki.com/#Searching%20in%20TiddlyWiki is not very explicit 
> about it. I guess I could manage it with the application of filters but I 
> was wondering whether there is an easier way, e.g. clicking a checkbox or 
> so
>

The default core definitions for the search interface use a [search{...}] 
filter to find the matches to your input.  This filter is, by design, case 
insensitive.

However, if you replace the [search{...}] filter with a [regexp{...}] 
filter, then it will perform a case-sensitive search by default... and, 
using [regexp{...}], you can search for *text patterns* rather than just 
literal text strings.

To change the TW core defaults, you can edit the following two shadow 
tiddlers:

   $:/core/ui/SideBarLists
  replace "search{$(searchTiddler)$}" with "regexp{$(searchTiddler)$}"

   $:/core/ui/DefaultSearchResultList
  replace "search{$(searchTiddler)$}" with "regexp{$(searchTiddler)$}"
  AND
  replace "search:title{$(searchTiddler)$}" with 
"regexp:title{$(searchTiddler)$}"

That should do it.

enjoy,
-e
Eric Shulman
TiddlyTools: "Small Tools for Big Ideas" (tm)
InsideTiddlyWiki: The Missing Manuals

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[tw] Re: TW5: New Tiddler From Button With Custom User Fields Added

2017-03-15 Thread J Mc

Hi tdymon,
I think this topic might be what you need.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tiddlywiki/EditTemplate$2Fdrop-fields%7Csort:relevance/tiddlywiki/1eVLcslhmLM/CognfvIZIysJ
J Mc

On Wednesday, 15 March 2017 07:04:33 UTC, tdymon...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I'm a long time user of classic TiddlyWiki, but am new to TW5.  I'm trying 
> to create buttons for different journal types, e.g., personal, fitness, 
> food.  I've used the existing documentation I could find on tiddlywiki.com 
> and this forum to successfully create the button that creates the new 
> journal tiddler with the title I want, which is a journal type specific 
> prefix to the current date and time, and tags.  The generated tiddlers are 
> automatically opened for editing.
>
> I'm having a bit of difficulty adding custom fields to the button 
> generated new tiddlers.  What i'm wanting is for the custom fields to 
> appear, along with their pre-assigned values, in the newly generated 
> tiddlers that are open for editing.  I don't want to have to add the custom 
> fields and values manually after creation or saving.  In other words, to 
> create an entry in the journal I only want to have to hit the New Journal 
> button (for the desired journal type), type the text of the entry and hit 
> save without having to do anything else.
>
> For instance:
>
> Title: Fitness-MMDDHHMMSS
> Tags: Journal, Additional Tags...
> Text: empty
>
> Which is working at this point.  But I also want custom user fields:
>
> journal-type: (E.G., personal, fitness,
> journal-part: (E.G., segment, entry)
> year: 2017
> month: 03
> day: 14
>
> Which I can't figure out how to do.
>
> I've tried using the $fieldmangler and action-setfield within the button 
> code, to no effect.  It doesn't add any fields the the newly created and 
> opened for editing tiddler.
>
> I've spent hours on this forum searching for an answer, as well as a lot 
> of additional hours on Google searching, but to no avail. Any help or 
> directions to help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Ultimately, my goal is to use the custom fields to automatically add the 
> entries of the journals into the TOC, which I'm doing now with tags, with a 
> hierarchy of journal type, year, month and day, in order to alleviate the 
> amount of bloat to my tags.  However, for right now, I'll just be happy to 
> get the code for the new journal buttons working correctly.
>
> Below is the current code for the button: The title of this tiddler is 
> $:/me/Buttons/NewFitness and it is tagged $:/tags/PageControls
>
> \define journalButton()
> <$fieldmangler>
> <$button tooltip={{$:/me/language/Buttons/NewFitness/Caption}} 
> aria-label={{$:/me/language/Buttons/NewFitness/Caption}} 
> class=<>>
> <$action-setfield journal-type="fitness" journal-part="segment"/>
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" title=< "DEL-$(journalTitleTemplate)$">> tags="$(journalTags)$"/>
> <$list filter="[prefix[yes]]">
> {{$:/core/images/new-journal-button}}
> 
> <$list filter="[prefix[yes]]">
> <$text 
> text={{$:/me/language/Buttons/Fitness/Caption}}/>
> 
> 
> 
> \end
> <$set name="journalTitleTemplate" value={{$:/config/NewJournal/Title}}>
> <$set name="journalTags" value="Journal">
> <>
> 
>
> The only part of this that doesn't work is adding the custom fields to a 
> newly created tiddler.  Thank you in advance for your help.
>
>

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[tw] Re: TW5: New Tiddler From Button With Custom User Fields Added

2017-03-15 Thread Eric Shulman

On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 12:04:33 AM UTC-7, tdymon...@gmail.com 
wrote:
>
> create an entry in the journal I only want to have to hit the New Journal 
> button (for the desired journal type), type the text of the entry and hit 
> save without having to do anything else.
>
 

> For instance:
>
> Title: Fitness-MMDDHHMMSS
> Tags: Journal, Additional Tags...
> Text: empty
>
> Which is working at this point.  But I also want custom user fields:
>
> journal-type: (E.G., personal, fitness,
> journal-part: (E.G., segment, entry)
> year: 2017
> month: 03
> day: 14
>
> Which I can't figure out how to do.
>

Try something like this:

<$button>
<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler"
   title=<>
   tags="$(journalTags)$"
   text=""
   journal-type="fitness"
   journal-part="segment"
   year: <>
   month: <>
   day: <>
/>
New Tiddler


let me know how it goes...

enjoy,
-e
Eric Shulman
TiddlyTools: "Small Tools for Big Ideas" (tm)
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[tw] Re: Presenting: QuickImg - easily add completely new images

Quick test shows it DOES work.

Image in same file as local TW and then 




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[tw] Case-sensitive search

2017-03-15 Thread Sven

Hi everyone,
Is there an easy way to make the search case-sensitive?
http://tiddlywiki.com/#Searching%20in%20TiddlyWiki is not very explicit 
about it. I guess I could manage it with the application of filters but I 
was wondering whether there is an easier way, e.g. clicking a checkbox or 
so
Thanks!

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[tw] Re: Presenting: QuickImg - easily add completely new images