Re: [tw] Re: Using TiddlyFox into the future

[Arlen Beiler]

That's because there are no other solutions that the community knows of.
But it's people like you mentioning stuff here that brings it to everyone's
attention. I did not know about this and will definitely have to check it
out, even though I've used chrome since it started.

There are a couple possibilities which would involve a combination of
browser extension and native windows application, but they are not very
well researched, especially from a security perspective.

This solution would work in all browsers, but would require quite a bit of
research, at least for me, so I am not planning on exploring that since I
already have TiddlyServer and it is easier for me to develop further if I
focus on one project.

TiddlyServer is built for this specific reason as well. Because I wanted
something to open TiddlyWiki folders and files both and keep everything
organized. And because I just love how light NodeJS is on Windows.

On Oct 3, 2017 6:19 PM, "'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki" <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Actually, I'm not sure the maintainers (really Jeremy) have mentioned
solutions at all except that Jeremy likes the Beaker Browser.
Unfortunately, that only applies to Mac, which is less than half the
desktop platforms. But there's certainly been lot's of discussion on this
forum. I imagine at some point there will be a posting of all working
solutions on TiddlyWiki.com, but technically the changes to FF haven't
occurred yet.

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Re: [tw] Re: TiddlyServer as a Mac App

[Arlen Beiler]

There should be an error message of some sort in the server console window
related to the tiddlywiki.info file not working. Usually it can't find a
path for some reason or the json is invalid.

Can you post your tiddlywiki.info file?

On Oct 3, 2017 5:00 PM, "RichardWilliamSmith" 
wrote:

> Hi Amit,
>
> I don't know about #1 - maybe Arlen can help? Are you able to launch your
> Tiddlywiki in the normal way? How did you create the tiddlywiki.info
> file? Does Tiddlywserver work with a "normal" single-page tiddlywiki?
>
> #2 - I screwed up the css when I packed it as an app - I'll fix it in the
> future.
>
> If you're interested in how I made an app out of it, you can read my notes
> here: https://www.didaxy.com/introduction-to-tiddlyserver
>
> Regards,
> Richard
>
> On Wednesday, October 4, 2017 at 3:55:02 AM UTC+11, Amit Ahire wrote:
>>
>>
>> First of thanks for the Mac port.
>>
>> I wanted to try TiddleServer -- But I ran into some problems. (Might be
>> quick fix but I cant think of anything myself)
>>
>> 1 - When I try to load my tiddlywiki.info file - I received this msg - "The
>> Tiddlywiki data folder failed to load. To try again, use ?reload=true after
>> making any necessary corrections." -- Any idea of how to fix this?
>>
>> 2 - Why is the CSS screwed in the server ? Even when I try run the server
>> from tiddlywiki - CSS is not working. Might be an issue with my setup? Did
>> the mistake of upgrading to HighSierra as soon as it was available.
>>
>> [[ This same tiddlywiki.info works perfectly well in the TiddlyDesktop
>> App]]
>>
>> Thanks. These seems very dump questions but I cant think of anyway to
>> solve it myself.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, September 28, 2017 at 3:07:36 PM UTC+5:30,
>> RichardWilliamSmith wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Further to my recent explorations with Tiddlyserver, I *think* I've
>>> managed to bundle it into an executable for the MacOS that should "just
>>> work" (famous last words).
>>>
>>> You can download a zip file from here: https://github.com/r1cha
>>> rd5mith/TiddlyServer/releases/tag/2.0.6
>>>
>>> That should unzip to reveal a single icon, the double clicking of which
>>> might (should) launch a terminal window with Tiddlyserver running. It's
>>> preconfigured to run on port 8889 and to serve to 0.0.0.0 (the terminal
>>> window will tell you the full address including your local ip address)
>>>
>>> There are instructions on how you can change the settings and a link to
>>> a bit more info about how I made it.
>>>
>>> I'd be really grateful if you could let me know if it works, if you're
>>> able to test it. It doesn't install anything and the download is only ~18
>>> Mb, but please treat it as a 'beta' and don't trust anything important to
>>> it initially.
>>>
>>> Hopefully Arlen doesn't mind me releasing it this way? Maybe it is worth
>>> trying a similar method for Windows? I'm not able to try myself, I'm
>>> afraid. Whatever you would prefer, just let me know.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Richard
>>>
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[tw] Re: [TW5] is ther a way to restrict where a macro is called from?

[mystikite]

Thanks for the responses. I decided to go with the currentTiddler method, 
and since this macro is in javascript, 
some poking around in the tiddlywiki source shows that i can reference 
this.getvariable("currentTiddler") from inside the macro.

While i can't make this method secure against a determined and 
knowledgeable person, 
I'm opting for the 'locks only keep the honest people out' approach. 


On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 7:05:09 AM UTC-5, myst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Ideally, i would like to create a macro, but i want it to only be called 
> from my approved places in the wiki.
> Is there a way to check either the caller or the macro's place in the 
> rendered hierarchy, such that i can limit its behavior based on that?
>

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[tw] Re: TiddlyServer as a Mac App

[RichardWilliamSmith]

Hi Amit,

I don't know about #1 - maybe Arlen can help? Are you able to launch your 
Tiddlywiki in the normal way? How did you create the tiddlywiki.info file? 
Does Tiddlywserver work with a "normal" single-page tiddlywiki?

#2 - I screwed up the css when I packed it as an app - I'll fix it in the 
future.

If you're interested in how I made an app out of it, you can read my notes 
here: https://www.didaxy.com/introduction-to-tiddlyserver

Regards,
Richard

On Wednesday, October 4, 2017 at 3:55:02 AM UTC+11, Amit Ahire wrote:
>
>
> First of thanks for the Mac port.
>
> I wanted to try TiddleServer -- But I ran into some problems. (Might be 
> quick fix but I cant think of anything myself)
>
> 1 - When I try to load my tiddlywiki.info file - I received this msg - "The 
> Tiddlywiki data folder failed to load. To try again, use ?reload=true after 
> making any necessary corrections." -- Any idea of how to fix this? 
>
> 2 - Why is the CSS screwed in the server ? Even when I try run the server 
> from tiddlywiki - CSS is not working. Might be an issue with my setup? Did 
> the mistake of upgrading to HighSierra as soon as it was available.
>
> [[ This same tiddlywiki.info works perfectly well in the TiddlyDesktop 
> App]]
>
> Thanks. These seems very dump questions but I cant think of anyway to 
> solve it myself.
>
>
> On Thursday, September 28, 2017 at 3:07:36 PM UTC+5:30, 
> RichardWilliamSmith wrote:
>>
>> Hi All, 
>>
>> Further to my recent explorations with Tiddlyserver, I *think* I've 
>> managed to bundle it into an executable for the MacOS that should "just 
>> work" (famous last words).
>>
>> You can download a zip file from here: 
>> https://github.com/r1chard5mith/TiddlyServer/releases/tag/2.0.6
>>
>> That should unzip to reveal a single icon, the double clicking of which 
>> might (should) launch a terminal window with Tiddlyserver running. It's 
>> preconfigured to run on port 8889 and to serve to 0.0.0.0 (the terminal 
>> window will tell you the full address including your local ip address)
>>
>> There are instructions on how you can change the settings and a link to a 
>> bit more info about how I made it.
>>
>> I'd be really grateful if you could let me know if it works, if you're 
>> able to test it. It doesn't install anything and the download is only ~18 
>> Mb, but please treat it as a 'beta' and don't trust anything important to 
>> it initially.
>>
>> Hopefully Arlen doesn't mind me releasing it this way? Maybe it is worth 
>> trying a similar method for Windows? I'm not able to try myself, I'm 
>> afraid. Whatever you would prefer, just let me know.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Richard
>>
>

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[tw] Using TiddlyFox into the future

[Daniel Fjerstad]

Hi all,

I've been lurking around these pages for a while. Today I've read a few 
posts where people are discussing what to do after Firefox discontinues XUL 
extensions. One thing I haven't seen mentioned is the solution I plan on 
using, so I thought I'd share.

Pale Moon is a fork of Firefox -- not just a shallow fork, but a true fork 
that hasn't shared the same code-base as Firefox for years now. When 
Firefox switches over to WebExtensions, it's my understanding that Pale 
Moon will be the ONLY browser left on the market with true extensibility; 
Other psuedo-forks (Waterfox, Cyberfox, etc) aren't true forks and they 
won't be able to fully diverge from Firefox's upstream, due to lack of 
skills or resources (IMHO).

Pale Moon still works perfectly with many, many Firefox add-ons and will 
continue to do so. This includes TiddlyFox!

I've used the Moon Tester extension to install TiddlyFox 2.0.1 on multiple 
computers, both Windows and Linux. It works perfectly and I don't see any 
reason why it won't continue to work perfectly. 

I think TiddlyWiki maintainers should at least *mention* the fact that one 
can continue to use TiddlyFox+Pale Moon with no problems for the 
foreseeable future.

In any case, I hope this helps someone!

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Re: [tw] Re: Laptop + Mobile access = TiddlyServer?

[Glenn D]

Arlen and Richard - thank you both for your assistance. I now have 
TiddleyServer up and running after having figured out all Node update and 
syntax issues. Now to experiment!

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 7:26:31 AM UTC-5, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> You could try https://jsonlint.com/ and see if that sheds any light.
>
> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 8:17 AM, RichardWilliamSmith <
> richardwi...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>> Hi Glenn,
>>
>> If you'd like more help, maybe you can post the error that you're 
>> getting. If the problem you're having is with Tiddlyserver, I'd wager it's 
>> the settings.json file that's not right, so post that too, or comb through 
>> it looking for a mismatched brace somewhere.
>>
>> JSON is hard to debug without a proper editor.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Richard
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[tw] Re: TiddlyServer as a Mac App

[Amit Ahire]

First of thanks for the Mac port.

I wanted to try TiddleServer -- But I ran into some problems. (Might be 
quick fix but I cant think of anything myself)

1 - When I try to load my tiddlywiki.info file - I received this msg - "The 
Tiddlywiki data folder failed to load. To try again, use ?reload=true after 
making any necessary corrections." -- Any idea of how to fix this? 

2 - Why is the CSS screwed in the server ? Even when I try run the server 
from tiddlywiki - CSS is not working. Might be an issue with my setup? Did 
the mistake of upgrading to HighSierra as soon as it was available.

[[ This same tiddlywiki.info works perfectly well in the TiddlyDesktop App]]

Thanks. These seems very dump questions but I cant think of anyway to solve 
it myself.


On Thursday, September 28, 2017 at 3:07:36 PM UTC+5:30, RichardWilliamSmith 
wrote:
>
> Hi All, 
>
> Further to my recent explorations with Tiddlyserver, I *think* I've 
> managed to bundle it into an executable for the MacOS that should "just 
> work" (famous last words).
>
> You can download a zip file from here: 
> https://github.com/r1chard5mith/TiddlyServer/releases/tag/2.0.6
>
> That should unzip to reveal a single icon, the double clicking of which 
> might (should) launch a terminal window with Tiddlyserver running. It's 
> preconfigured to run on port 8889 and to serve to 0.0.0.0 (the terminal 
> window will tell you the full address including your local ip address)
>
> There are instructions on how you can change the settings and a link to a 
> bit more info about how I made it.
>
> I'd be really grateful if you could let me know if it works, if you're 
> able to test it. It doesn't install anything and the download is only ~18 
> Mb, but please treat it as a 'beta' and don't trust anything important to 
> it initially.
>
> Hopefully Arlen doesn't mind me releasing it this way? Maybe it is worth 
> trying a similar method for Windows? I'm not able to try myself, I'm 
> afraid. Whatever you would prefer, just let me know.
>
> Regards,
> Richard
>

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Re: [tw] Re: Laptop + Mobile access = TiddlyServer?

[Lost Admin]

I've done some pretty thorough testing on this. Where it stands is this:

After you save to the Apache (or ISS) DAV, you need to reload the wiki 
(press browser reload) and you can continue just fine.

*Technical details:*

The TiddlyWiki DAV saver uses an HTTP header called eTag. This is a value 
that indicates the state of the "object" (in this case tiddlywiki file) 
when it was last received by the browser. When you perform a DAV save 
operation (a PUT method),  the file changed and so the eTag value changed 
as well. Apache does not set a new eTag value with the PUT operation 
because Apache cannot confirm that there was no post processing once the 
file was saved so it does not send an updated eTag until you issue another 
GET call.

This is documented and proper behavior. A PUT is only supposed to send an 
updated eTag in the response if the server knows that the browser version 
of the data is the same as the server version. While this can be done with 
a GET operation, Apache is unable to confirm this with a PUT since Apache 
is not aware of any post-processing that might happen server-side.

I'm still trying to figure out how to force Apache to send an eTag with the 
response to the PUT, but I haven't yet figured out how.


On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 1:31:59 PM UTC-4, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> If using DAV saver, TiddlyServer will prevent overwriting the server with 
> a stale copy if you are working on more than one device. Apache is supposed 
> to do this, but we were having trouble with it, so I'm not sure where it 
> stands.
>
> Here is the link to the discussion. 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/3206b23b-d4e5-4fe3-8984-70b449b7218c%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2017 12:57 PM, "Lost Admin"  
> wrote:
>
>> If you are going to the extent of putting a server on a Raspberry Pi, why 
>> not setup a proper web server? Apache with either webdav (for the dav 
>> saver) or mod_php for the store.php used by tiddlyspot (it's on Github) 
>> will give you a lot more flexibility. 
>>
>> You can even have ssl/tls if you register a domain. You can use 
>> Letsencrypt for the certificate for free with readily available scripts.
>>
>> On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 11:39:44 AM UTC-4, Glenn D wrote:
>>>
>>> If I want to view and edit from multiple devices would the server be the 
>>> best implementation?
>>>
>>> If I install it on my Raspberry Pi, would I be able to edit using 
>>> TiddlyDesktop on my laptop? Or would it be better to stick w/ TiddlyFox?
>>>
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Re: [tw] Re: Laptop + Mobile access = TiddlyServer?

[Arlen Beiler]

You could try https://jsonlint.com/ and see if that sheds any light.

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> Hi Glenn,
>
> If you'd like more help, maybe you can post the error that you're getting.
> If the problem you're having is with Tiddlyserver, I'd wager it's the
> settings.json file that's not right, so post that too, or comb through it
> looking for a mismatched brace somewhere.
>
> JSON is hard to debug without a proper editor.
>
> Regards,
> Richard
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[tw] Re: Laptop + Mobile access = TiddlyServer?

[RichardWilliamSmith]

Hi Glenn,

If you'd like more help, maybe you can post the error that you're getting. 
If the problem you're having is with Tiddlyserver, I'd wager it's the 
settings.json file that's not right, so post that too, or comb through it 
looking for a mismatched brace somewhere.

JSON is hard to debug without a proper editor.

Regards,
Richard

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[tw] Re: [TW5] is ther a way to restrict where a macro is called from?

[Jed Carty]

You can check the currentTiddler against an approved list of places, but 
anything you make can be modified by other people. If you make javascript 
macros than you can make it harder to get around but there isn't any way to 
prevent someone who knows a bit about what they are doing from getting 
around it.

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[tw] [TW5] is ther a way to restrict where a macro is called from?

[mystikite]

Ideally, i would like to create a macro, but i want it to only be called 
from my approved places in the wiki.
Is there a way to check either the caller or the macro's place in the 
rendered hierarchy, such that i can limit its behavior based on that?

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[tw] Re: Laptop + Mobile access = TiddlyServer?

[Glenn D]

getting a syntax error when running 'node server' command - an hour of 
troubleshooting hasn't fixed it. Got the tiddlywiki itself working, just 
not the server install

On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 5:18:59 PM UTC-5, RichardWilliamSmith wrote:
>
> I recently wrote up some notes about how I am running TiddlyServer on my 
> Raspberry Pi. First you install TW, which has a 'single instance per port' 
> server, then you install TS, which can serve lots of wikis. 
> https://www.didaxy.com/tiddlyserver-on-the-raspberry-pi
>
> Regards,
> Richard
>
> On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 7:15:24 AM UTC+11, Glenn D wrote:
>>
>> I may be a bit confused here, but -- what is the difference between a 
>> 'normal' tiddlywiki server and tiddlyserver?
>>
>> On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 2:57:17 PM UTC-5, Jed Carty wrote:
>>>
>>> It should run just fine on a raspberry pi. I haven't tried it with 
>>> tiddlyserver yet because I am trying to get everything configured on my 
>>> desktop first, but the normal tiddlywiki server runs just fine on a 
>>> raspberry pi and tiddlyserver shouldn't take much more power.
>>>
>>

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