[tw5] Re: [TW5] A quick question to gauge interest

[TonyM]

Jed,

Perhaps calling it multi-access tiddlywiki would address both multi-session 
and multi-user. I have not yet driven a multi-user version out to multiple 
users at once but I do believe this is a major advance of your solution and 
something TiddlyWiki is crying out for. It will take time for people to 
host it perhaps on "server" devices, within docker or on some internet 
platforms (I plan to make my mac-mini or synology disk-station host it) but 
I expect in time a lot of people will be looking for multi-user tiddlywiki 
as well. Historically many have asked for such features.  The key use you 
point out, multi-session (browsers) is also revolutionary but also the 
fastest to use "use case".

I am still trying to get the multi-wiki through your solution working 
smoothly, develop a work flow for it, then I plan to migrate more than half 
a dozen wikis into it.

Multi-access, even if is is a tag line you use should encourage both 
multi-session and multi-user curious people to it.
 
On dividing it into plugins, perhaps you should plan to separate out the 
websockets in the long run as it seems to be offering an infrastructure 
solution for other developer solutions like messaging and inter-wiki 
communications. This does not mean you need to maintain or publish the 
websockets component separately from your solution, only keep it up your 
sleeve for other developers or yourself to reuse. In effect I am suggesting 
there is value in providing a web-sockets solution separately but no need 
to divide your multi-access solution into components, perhaps only in the 
distant future when multiple solutions depend on websockets.

Thanks for this work and the single file install, they are revolutionary, 
and revolutions take time to play out.

Regards
Tony



On Sunday, April 29, 2018 at 9:17:06 AM UTC+10, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> I am probably going to go with a name that isn't descriptive to just avoid 
> the problem. I am leaning toward TiddlyFoule because it is seems like it 
> could be descriptive without actually telling you anything about what it 
> does.
>
> And the question about splitting it up is probably most meaningful in 
> terms of if there is some reason to not have all the functionality 
> available. Like Hans said, there is no reason to use all of it if you don't 
> need it. Would it be better to just have the conversion between single file 
> and html wikis and not immediately save your changes for some reason?
>

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[tw5] Re: Change where files are saved?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I haven't tried Cherrytree. But I've tried lots of others: Org-mode, zim, 
wikidpad, treepad, cintanotes, simplenotes, evernote ... others I can't 
remember.

Is your file called "empty.html" ? I don't think a new "empty.html" should 
be appearing if you are saving successfully through Arlen's system -- it 
doesn't on mine.

What browser are you using? What operating system.

TiddlyWiki is actually just an HTML file with javascript. It can not save 
itself without help from some other service. Up until about February TW had 
a great plugin that allowed the Firefox web browser to save anywhere to the 
hard disk. The community rallied around and came up with 17 different 
approaches to saving. For local saving, there are now two alternative 
plugins for Firefox (and maybe Chrome) that allow saving to a named 
sub-directory of your downloads directory. Here's information about the two 
plugins:

https://github.com/buggyj/savetiddlers
https://github.com/pmario/file-backups 

You might think that saving to a sub-directory of your downloads directory 
is limiting, but there's a trick you can do using symbolic links (called 
Junctions) that can create a "linked directory" below your TW save 
directory which in turn points to any directory on your local hard drive. 
Here's a page that talks about junctions:

https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/16226/complete-guide-to-symbolic-links-symlinks-on-windows-or-linux/

If you navigate the path formed by the symbolic link in your file explorer, 
the browser is tricked into thinking that it is saving to sub-directory 
below the downloads directory, and the save can proceed. You can even 
create a link to your local dropbox file directory (well, I assume you can, 
but I don't use DB that often).

On your mobile device, I think you would use your browser and not your DB 
app if you wanted to use Arlen's TWITS approach. But (and I could be wrong 
here) you would need a good data plan, since it depends on a web connection 
for saving. An alternative is to  use AndTidWiki -- assuming you're on 
Android. Then inside your DB app you can click on your file, select 
AndTidWiki as the launch application, and after that save as you normally 
would and it will be saved and synched with dropbox.

-- Mark 

On Saturday, April 28, 2018 at 3:52:19 PM UTC-7, debdrex wrote:
>
> Thanks Mark! I'm not really using it at all yet. I've been using 
> Cherrytree but want something that I can use on my phone as well as other 
> devices. I think TW will want to be organized differently than Cherrytree 
> but haven't gotten that far yet. I am intrigued by TW but also flummoxed :*o
>
> If I understand correctly, I always open my file through Arlen's link? 
> I've gotten it to work with a test. It also appears that I can have more 
> than one file, which is an option I'm considering. Each time I save, a new 
> empty.html file still appears in my Downloads folder. Is that to be 
> expected?
>
> You mentioned a way to save locally to the Dropbox folder on my desktop - 
> how would I go about setting that up?
>
> Thanks, Debbie
>
> On Saturday, April 28, 2018 at 12:09:13 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> This is the first time I've tried TWITS. How are you using it? If you use 
>> it with just the one specified directory, then you need to put your file in 
>> the "TW5 in the Sky (Arlen22)" directory. Then log in via Arlen's link (
>> https://twcloud.github.io/tw5-dropbox/#). When you do, there should 
>> appear a link to your file. You may need to turn off any add-blockers on 
>> the page. When you click on a link to a TW file (still in your browser), it 
>> should load in your browser and after that you can click save (or use 
>> auto-save) and it will save to your DB account directly.
>>
>> Note that you are NOT running your local DropBox copy of the TW file when 
>> you do this. If you try to run your local copy from your local DB 
>> directory, it will want to save in your browsers download directory. (There 
>> are work-arounds for this if you do want to save locally). 
>>
>> HTH
>> -- Mark
>>
>> On Saturday, April 28, 2018 at 11:02:23 AM UTC-7, debdrex wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I'm just trying to get started with TW and have gotten stuck at how to 
>>> get files to be saved to a folder other than downloads. Ultimately, I want 
>>> to have them on Dropbox so that I can access them from any device. I've 
>>> installed TW5 in the sky but the files still save to Downloads locally. 
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: copy button in each code block

[Rustem]

That works, thanks. Would be great though, to have the button appear inside 
the block, on hover.

On Saturday, April 28, 2018 at 2:31:13 AM UTC-7, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> hi @Rustem 
>
> you could just create a macro in a tiddler say $:/_macros tagged with 
> $:/tags/Macro with the content:
>
> \define code(text)
> <>
> ```
> $text$
> ```
> \end
>
> in your tiddlers just write:
>
> <
> code here
>
> more code
>
> """>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Change where files are saved?

[debdrex]

Hmmm. I've just tried to access the DropBox files from my phone (android). 
It's connected but I just see the bar with my name and google portrait. How 
do I get the phone to see those files?

On Saturday, April 28, 2018 at 3:52:19 PM UTC-7, debdrex wrote:
>
> Thanks Mark! I'm not really using it at all yet. I've been using 
> Cherrytree but want something that I can use on my phone as well as other 
> devices. I think TW will want to be organized differently than Cherrytree 
> but haven't gotten that far yet. I am intrigued by TW but also flummoxed :*o
>
> If I understand correctly, I always open my file through Arlen's link? 
> I've gotten it to work with a test. It also appears that I can have more 
> than one file, which is an option I'm considering. Each time I save, a new 
> empty.html file still appears in my Downloads folder. Is that to be 
> expected?
>
> You mentioned a way to save locally to the Dropbox folder on my desktop - 
> how would I go about setting that up?
>
> Thanks, Debbie
>
> On Saturday, April 28, 2018 at 12:09:13 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> This is the first time I've tried TWITS. How are you using it? If you use 
>> it with just the one specified directory, then you need to put your file in 
>> the "TW5 in the Sky (Arlen22)" directory. Then log in via Arlen's link (
>> https://twcloud.github.io/tw5-dropbox/#). When you do, there should 
>> appear a link to your file. You may need to turn off any add-blockers on 
>> the page. When you click on a link to a TW file (still in your browser), it 
>> should load in your browser and after that you can click save (or use 
>> auto-save) and it will save to your DB account directly.
>>
>> Note that you are NOT running your local DropBox copy of the TW file when 
>> you do this. If you try to run your local copy from your local DB 
>> directory, it will want to save in your browsers download directory. (There 
>> are work-arounds for this if you do want to save locally). 
>>
>> HTH
>> -- Mark
>>
>> On Saturday, April 28, 2018 at 11:02:23 AM UTC-7, debdrex wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I'm just trying to get started with TW and have gotten stuck at how to 
>>> get files to be saved to a folder other than downloads. Ultimately, I want 
>>> to have them on Dropbox so that I can access them from any device. I've 
>>> installed TW5 in the sky but the files still save to Downloads locally. 
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] A quick question to gauge interest

[Jed Carty]

I am probably going to go with a name that isn't descriptive to just avoid 
the problem. I am leaning toward TiddlyFoule because it is seems like it 
could be descriptive without actually telling you anything about what it 
does.

And the question about splitting it up is probably most meaningful in terms 
of if there is some reason to not have all the functionality available. 
Like Hans said, there is no reason to use all of it if you don't need it. 
Would it be better to just have the conversion between single file and html 
wikis and not immediately save your changes for some reason?

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[tw5] Re: Change where files are saved?

[debdrex]

Thanks Mark! I'm not really using it at all yet. I've been using Cherrytree 
but want something that I can use on my phone as well as other devices. I 
think TW will want to be organized differently than Cherrytree but haven't 
gotten that far yet. I am intrigued by TW but also flummoxed :*o

If I understand correctly, I always open my file through Arlen's link? I've 
gotten it to work with a test. It also appears that I can have more than 
one file, which is an option I'm considering. Each time I save, a new 
empty.html file still appears in my Downloads folder. Is that to be 
expected?

You mentioned a way to save locally to the Dropbox folder on my desktop - 
how would I go about setting that up?

Thanks, Debbie

On Saturday, April 28, 2018 at 12:09:13 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>
> This is the first time I've tried TWITS. How are you using it? If you use 
> it with just the one specified directory, then you need to put your file in 
> the "TW5 in the Sky (Arlen22)" directory. Then log in via Arlen's link (
> https://twcloud.github.io/tw5-dropbox/#). When you do, there should 
> appear a link to your file. You may need to turn off any add-blockers on 
> the page. When you click on a link to a TW file (still in your browser), it 
> should load in your browser and after that you can click save (or use 
> auto-save) and it will save to your DB account directly.
>
> Note that you are NOT running your local DropBox copy of the TW file when 
> you do this. If you try to run your local copy from your local DB 
> directory, it will want to save in your browsers download directory. (There 
> are work-arounds for this if you do want to save locally). 
>
> HTH
> -- Mark
>
> On Saturday, April 28, 2018 at 11:02:23 AM UTC-7, debdrex wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I'm just trying to get started with TW and have gotten stuck at how to 
>> get files to be saved to a folder other than downloads. Ultimately, I want 
>> to have them on Dropbox so that I can access them from any device. I've 
>> installed TW5 in the sky but the files still save to Downloads locally. 
>> Thanks.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] A quick question to gauge interest

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

On Saturday, April 28, 2018 at 1:32:35 PM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>
>
> Aha... I just realized am one of those presumptuous ones! Maybe it could 
> be called a "Multi-computer TiddlyWiki" leaving the interpretation of the 
> name to the user who is likely colored by what he needs!
>
>
Or go for the gusto -- "Universal TiddlyWiki"

-- Mark 

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[tw5] Re: My Template TW

[Mat]

Here's mine

http://mempty.tiddlyspot.com/

No full instrux there (because that template is just for me) but the front 
tiddler you see there is basically the same as on

http://tiddlywiki5.tiddlyspot.com

The idea with both of them is to *quickly *set up a new TW5 on TiddlySpot. 
My personal variant, i.e the top one, also has a few other tweaks to my 
taste.

<:-)

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[tw5] My Template TW

[BurningTreeC]

Hi folks, I want to share my template tiddlywiki I'm planning to use as a 
base for my future wikies

It's not finished but I'll update whenever there's something new

I'm sharing this because it has some tweaks that could be interesting for 
others
I think seeing how others use a set of plugins, widgets, macros and tricks 
is very useful, showing is better than explaining ;)


With the hope, you'll want to share your template, too:

http://btc.twtemplate.tiddlyspot.com

good weekend,

BTC

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] A quick question to gauge interest

[Mat]

On Saturday, April 28, 2018 at 9:04:39 PM UTC+2, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> Not much about the plugin now is about multiuserability, that is why I am 
> changing the name. It can be used by multiple people but my main use for it 
> is to have the wikis open on multiple computers and not have to worry about 
> losing my edits. The name seems to make people assume that it is only 
> worthwhile if you have multiple people using the wiki.
>

Aha... I just realized am one of those presumptuous ones! Maybe it could be 
called a "Multi-computer TiddlyWiki" leaving the interpretation of the name 
to the user who is likely colored by what he needs!

Converting the wikis between single file and node versions fits with 
> everything else the plugin does, which is make the wikis more portable, 
> either in the sense of putting everything on a usb stick and carrying it 
> around or in the sense of being able to edit the wikis from any browser you 
> want or converting between single file and node versions as needed.
>

Now *that *functionality does sound like a valuable stand-alone plugin 
though! It would probably lower the threshold to try out the node version 
because you could convert your regular (single file) TW as you try out node 
and if you're not happy then you can switch back but without loosing work 
you've done while in node. To name just one example.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] A quick question to gauge interest

[Jed Carty]

I don't know, I don't remember which thread it was in but someone mentioned 
being interested if I split it out.

I may have been to make a git plugin.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] A quick question to gauge interest

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Just curious. Why did someone want to split out the web socket part?

-- Mark

On Saturday, April 28, 2018 at 12:04:39 PM UTC-7, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> Not much about the plugin now is about multiuserability, that is why I am 
> changing the name. It can be used by multiple people but my main use for it 
> is to have the wikis open on multiple computers and not have to worry about 
> losing my edits. The name seems to make people assume that it is only 
> worthwhile if you have multiple people using the wiki.
>
> There were a few comments from different threads like 'if you split out 
> the web socket part of this I would use it', but no one said more than 
> that. So I could make a web socket plugin but I don't have anything other 
> than this that it would be used for.
>
> Converting the wikis between single file and node versions fits with 
> everything else the plugin does, which is make the wikis more portable, 
> either in the sense of putting everything on a usb stick and carrying it 
> around or in the sense of being able to edit the wikis from any browser you 
> want or converting between single file and node versions as needed.
>

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[tw5] Re: Change where files are saved?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

This is the first time I've tried TWITS. How are you using it? If you use 
it with just the one specified directory, then you need to put your file in 
the "TW5 in the Sky (Arlen22)" directory. Then log in via Arlen's link 
(https://twcloud.github.io/tw5-dropbox/#). When you do, there should appear 
a link to your file. You may need to turn off any add-blockers on the page. 
When you click on a link to a TW file (still in your browser), it should 
load in your browser and after that you can click save (or use auto-save) 
and it will save to your DB account directly.

Note that you are NOT running your local DropBox copy of the TW file when 
you do this. If you try to run your local copy from your local DB 
directory, it will want to save in your browsers download directory. (There 
are work-arounds for this if you do want to save locally). 

HTH
-- Mark

On Saturday, April 28, 2018 at 11:02:23 AM UTC-7, debdrex wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I'm just trying to get started with TW and have gotten stuck at how to get 
> files to be saved to a folder other than downloads. Ultimately, I want to 
> have them on Dropbox so that I can access them from any device. I've 
> installed TW5 in the sky but the files still save to Downloads locally. 
> Thanks.
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] A quick question to gauge interest

[Jed Carty]

Not much about the plugin now is about multiuserability, that is why I am 
changing the name. It can be used by multiple people but my main use for it 
is to have the wikis open on multiple computers and not have to worry about 
losing my edits. The name seems to make people assume that it is only 
worthwhile if you have multiple people using the wiki.

There were a few comments from different threads like 'if you split out the 
web socket part of this I would use it', but no one said more than that. So 
I could make a web socket plugin but I don't have anything other than this 
that it would be used for.

Converting the wikis between single file and node versions fits with 
everything else the plugin does, which is make the wikis more portable, 
either in the sense of putting everything on a usb stick and carrying it 
around or in the sense of being able to edit the wikis from any browser you 
want or converting between single file and node versions as needed.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] A quick question to gauge interest

[Mat]

@Jed, 

1) You don't state what a split up would result in.
2) If there is a split up into separately parts that could be independently 
(and meaningfully) used AND that don't rely on the same infrastructure, 
then such a split up would make sense. For example, if some of the 
functionality depends on a connected network but other functionality does 
not, then that seems like a desirable split up. (E.g that last feature 
doesn't seem to have anything directly to do with multiuserability.)

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] A quick question to gauge interest

[HansWobbe]

Jed:

Personally, I am very happy with the full functionality of this excellent 
plugin.  I do not use all of its capabilities yet, but the overhead doe not 
seem significant to me, so I prefer to know its all there for the next time 
I want to expand my uses.

Thank you very much for the tiem and effort you've put into this too !!

Best regards,
Hans!

 

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[tw5] Re: Adsense on tiddlywiki...

[Mohammad]

Do you mean even in standard edition?

On Saturday, April 28, 2018 at 10:16:46 PM UTC+4:30, Ste Wilson wrote:
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> Just an idle thought but is it possible to put Google ads in a tiddlywiki 
> in a livable way to perhaps make a little money from a tiddlywiki? 

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[tw5] Change where files are saved?

[debdrex]

Hi,
I'm just trying to get started with TW and have gotten stuck at how to get 
files to be saved to a folder other than downloads. Ultimately, I want to 
have them on Dropbox so that I can access them from any device. I've 
installed TW5 in the sky but the files still save to Downloads locally. 
Thanks.

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[tw5] Adsense on tiddlywiki...

[Ste Wilson]

Just an idle thought but is it possible to put Google ads in a tiddlywiki in a 
livable way to perhaps make a little money from a tiddlywiki? 

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[tw5] [TW5] A quick question to gauge interest

[Jed Carty]

I am going to change the name of the multiuser plugin because it outgrew 
that name a few months ago and it is probably leading to more confusion 
about what the plugin does than anything else.

While I am doing this I am trying to decide if I should split it up into 
separate plugins or not. This is probably going to be a more involved 
process than I had hoped, and since tiddlywiki doesn't have a robust plugin 
dependency system in place it may be a bit of an annoyance to use because 
of how the  plugins would depend on each other.

So instead of just pushing forward and doing a lot of work splitting up the 
plugin I am going to ask:

Does anyone who would use the plugin not want the full functionality?

At the moment it can:

- Serve multiple wikis
- Have two-way (almost) immediate updates when a tiddler is edited either 
in a browser or on the server
- Support multiple people editing the same wiki at the same time
- Convert an html wiki into a new node-based wiki and export a node based 
wiki as an html wiki (this function is a bit rough still, but eventually it 
should let you go mostly seemlessly from a single file to node and back)

It does most of this using websockets so there is a server command that 
uses the web socket adaptor and an external server command that lets you 
use an external server (like an expressjs server) which makes 
authentication and access controls much simpler. (I am going to have a 
publicly accessible demo of the multi-user wiki setup sometime soon, shh! 
it's a secret.)

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[tw5] Re: Customice font sice of sidebar

[Xabriña]

Hello TonyM !!!

Yes, I have tried the ctrl-Mouse (center roller) to dynamically zoom.

I want to modify the original sidebar so that the long names of tiddlers that 
do not fit the space available are put in two lines or in those that are needed.

Thank you very much.

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[tw5] Re: Customice font sice of sidebar

[Xabriña]

Hello TonyM !!!

Yes, I have tried the ctrl-Mouse (center roller) to dynamically zoom. 

I want to modify the original sidebar so that the long names of tiddlers that 
do not fit the space available are put in two lines or in those that are needed.

Hello TonyM !!!

I want to modify the original sidebar so that the long names of tiddlers that 
do not fit the space available are put in two lines or in those that are needed.

Also, Keep in mind that due to the zoom feature.

Thank you very much.

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[tw5] Re: Reflections -- On the LAG on Getting Up And Doing

[Mohammad]

Many thanks Josiah,
 I should also add the resources by Tobias Beer 
. A collection of solution to 
questions raised in this forum!

Best
Mohammad

On Saturday, April 28, 2018 at 2:58:00 PM UTC+4:30, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao Mohammad
>
> I'm aware I may be coming over more negative than I actually am. But I do 
> think there is "fragmentation" of resources in TW that is avoidable. 
>
> Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>  I also use the TW for my students. The issue is due to the non-linear 
>> nature of TW, most students confuse and it is difficult to them to find a 
>> good solution for their problems in using TW.
>>
>
> I fully agree the dilemma of students can be very much like that. And it 
> is not that different than, say, you wanted to train in Anthropology. That 
> field, like any, has its own logic & it takes time to orientate. 
>
> But I don't think that is our central issue.
>  
>
>> As a simple wiki the bare TW (standard edition) is enough, but as they go 
>> in depth for more applied usage like dissertation, project and term papers 
>> they have problems can not be addressed
>>  by themselves nor from TW documentation nor simply from TW forum.
>>
>
> Right. Exactly. THAT is my point. 
>
> And I am absolutely sure we could organise better to address it. Part of 
> the issue is it needs time & people to do it. And another part, a bigger 
> part, is one person can't do that really. So, in the end, I've concluded   
>
> ...it is much more about having a METHODOLOGY, A SYSTEM, for being able to 
> quickly organise links to significant stuff. 
>
> ...THAT we lack in an adequate form. Full stop.
>  
>
>> I think one way is to have more editions for different applications, also 
>> a structured step by step tutorial (basics, intermediate and advanced) can 
>> be helpful.
>>
>
> Yep. I agree. But as I have indicated several times before its a bit of a 
> myth that we lack editions or that we lack basic documentation for them. 
> Rather, the issue is that the main source of (adequate enough 
> proto-)documentation is THIS GG group you reading now. And it has NO sense 
> of history. So once a thread is completed its disappears into a messy swamp 
> you can't accurately find things in. But much of most of what you need is 
> usually in the archive for this list somewhere. 
>
> In brief: *You often can't find what you need when you need it*. Apart 
> from tiddlywiki.com, everything is too DISORGANISED.
>  
>
>> One more thing indicated by TonyM, TiddlyWiki is not just a  wiki, it is 
>> like a programming language and there is many many ways to adopt it for 
>> your own application. While this
>> is a very good strength of TW, it makes confusion for newcomers.
>>
>
> TonyM is right. But the "finding issue" applies there too, I think.
>
> BTW, it has been very interesting to watch, and help a bit, David Gifford 
> develop TiddlyWiki Toolmap 
> , a basic listing of some 
> resources. Its indicative of the richness available that to otherwise find 
> would be burdensome. It is really helpful to have. But its still only the 
> Tip Of An Informational Iceberg that is largely invisible.
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>

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[tw5] Re: A TiddlyWiki -- "Stephen Hawking"

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Mat

Good thoughts. Noted.

BTW I often think for simple items like that ... just showing a TW ... 
switching on the inbuilt crude tagging system Google has would be helpful 
and avoid the rigmarole you have to go through to find anything later. A 
"TW in Public" tag on GG for those kinds of posts would help.

Best wishes
Josiah

Mat wrote:
>
> I'm guessing you're linking to these so they can be found as public 
> examples of TW. Nice idea. May I ask if you're using the prefix "A 
> TiddlyWiki -- " so to make all these examples more findable? That would be 
> a good idea even if it might be even better with a more distinct such title 
> (e.g "Public TW:"). That would make them easier to find in searches, I 
> think.
>

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[tw5] Re: Reflections -- On the LAG on Getting Up And Doing

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Mohammad

I'm aware I may be coming over more negative than I actually am. But I do 
think there is "fragmentation" of resources in TW that is avoidable. 

Mohammad wrote:
>
>  I also use the TW for my students. The issue is due to the non-linear 
> nature of TW, most students confuse and it is difficult to them to find a 
> good solution for their problems in using TW.
>

I fully agree the dilemma of students can be very much like that. And it is 
not that different than, say, you wanted to train in Anthropology. That 
field, like any, has its own logic & it takes time to orientate. 

But I don't think that is our central issue.
 

> As a simple wiki the bare TW (standard edition) is enough, but as they go 
> in depth for more applied usage like dissertation, project and term papers 
> they have problems can not be addressed
>  by themselves nor from TW documentation nor simply from TW forum.
>

Right. Exactly. THAT is my point. 

And I am absolutely sure we could organise better to address it. Part of 
the issue is it needs time & people to do it. And another part, a bigger 
part, is one person can't do that really. So, in the end, I've concluded   

...it is much more about having a METHODOLOGY, A SYSTEM, for being able to 
quickly organise links to significant stuff. 

...THAT we lack in an adequate form. Full stop.
 

> I think one way is to have more editions for different applications, also 
> a structured step by step tutorial (basics, intermediate and advanced) can 
> be helpful.
>

Yep. I agree. But as I have indicated several times before its a bit of a 
myth that we lack editions or that we lack basic documentation for them. 
Rather, the issue is that the main source of (adequate enough 
proto-)documentation is THIS GG group you reading now. And it has NO sense 
of history. So once a thread is completed its disappears into a messy swamp 
you can't accurately find things in. But much of most of what you need is 
usually in the archive for this list somewhere. 

In brief: *You often can't find what you need when you need it*. Apart from 
tiddlywiki.com, everything is too DISORGANISED.
 

> One more thing indicated by TonyM, TiddlyWiki is not just a  wiki, it is 
> like a programming language and there is many many ways to adopt it for 
> your own application. While this
> is a very good strength of TW, it makes confusion for newcomers.
>

TonyM is right. But the "finding issue" applies there too, I think.

BTW, it has been very interesting to watch, and help a bit, David Gifford 
develop TiddlyWiki Toolmap , 
a basic listing of some resources. Its indicative of the richness available 
that to otherwise find would be burdensome. It is really helpful to have. 
But its still only the Tip Of An Informational Iceberg that is largely 
invisible.

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw5] Re: copy button in each code block

[BurningTreeC]

hi @Rustem 

you could just create a macro in a tiddler say $:/_macros tagged with 
$:/tags/Macro with the content:

\define code(text)
<>
```
$text$
```
\end

in your tiddlers just write:

<>

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[tw5] Re: copy button in each code block

[Rustem]

Yes, I mean code blocks, of course. 
I think the place to add the button is inside 
`CodeBlockWidget.prototype.render`, 
but not sure how to do it exactly.


On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 5:27:47 AM UTC-7, Matthew Lauber wrote:
>
> Pretty sure he means everything enclosed in triple backticks, per 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Code%20Blocks%20in%20WikiText
> ```
>
> 
>
> ```
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 8:39:53 PM UTC-4, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Rustem,
>>
>> What do you define as a Code Block?
>>
>> How does it differ from the Text or other field?
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 11:10:42 AM UTC+11, Rustem wrote:
>>>
>>> Now that there is a `copy-to-clipboard` macro in the pre-release, could 
>>> someone figure out a way to have a "copy" button in a corner of each code 
>>> block, please? :) I used to have it in TW Classic, it was extremely useful.
>>>
>>

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