Re: [tw5] Re: [Discussion] Drop Zone per open tiddler idea - need help

[TW Tones]

Perhaps if the tiddlywiki tabs, or a new macro, could be sensitive to hover 
and dropping something, each tab could have its own response. We could then 
have a tab bar, on hover the tab opens and we can drop into a larger area 
or on the tab. Expository text could Also be displayed in the selected tab. 
This would allow one or many drop zones to be represented one one bar, or a 
vertical list.

Tones
On Saturday, 8 May 2021 at 08:05:06 UTC+10 TW Tones wrote:

> Mohamad,
>
> You name a number of drop methods that could be very useful, it was this 
> awarmnes on my part that I started the thread. With so many possible 
> features we need to establish a place on tiddlers where people may expect 
> to drop things but it does not use any or much screen "real estate". 
> Ideally one could add a tag to any tiddler containing the logic to receive 
> content and as long as a filter determines it should be displayed, display 
> the drop zone, perhaps only when something is being dragged. The thing is 
> we should accommodate multiple drop zones if multiple drop zone code is 
> applicable to each tiddler. eg if it does not have a url field offer a drop 
> zone to populate it, if it has a person tag offer a drop zone to drop an 
> email address. 
>
> While drop zones are good for dragged content we may often find we have 
> the value in the clipboard we would otherwise drop in the clipboard, so if 
> we could help ctrl-v to any of the visible drop zones would be good as 
> well. eg; "hover and past" as a method.
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
> On Saturday, 8 May 2021 at 02:35:57 UTC+10 Mohammad wrote:
>
>> Tones,
>>
>> On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 3:56 AM TW Tones  wrote:
>>
>>> Mario,
>>>
>>> Lets see if I can give you more. 
>>>
>>> For Example 
>>>
>>>- I currently have is I often add a discussion field to tiddlers 
>>>containing a link to the Google Group (GG) discussion. I currently go 
>>> edit, 
>>>new field discussion, go and find the url and copy and paste it back in 
>>> the 
>>>wiki.
>>>
>>>
>>>- If I have a space on tiddlers for dropping items I can just drag 
>>>   the URL from the GG page and drop it on the "discussion" drop zone on 
>>> any 
>>>   existing tiddler.
>>>- The fact is much in tiddlywiki is already draggable, titles and 
>>>selected text, if there were an inherit way to drop content on named 
>>> zones 
>>>per tiddler some very quick workflows can be developed. Playing in 
>>> Streams 
>>>lately you can drag items between streams and this is very powerful.
>>>
>>>
>> I am working on some documents explaining some of the basic features of 
>> drag and drop of Tiddlywiki! Right now my focus is on droppable widget!
>> But what you said is possible, I write some case here
>>
>>
>> [x] drop a link and create a tiddler with fields contains the link
>> [x] drop a tiddler and extract fields data and copy to other tiddler
>> [x] drop a text and append it to the text of some other tiddlers
>> [x] drop a text and deserialize it
>> 
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>> The Problem with buttons is there is a limit on how many work well on 
>>> each tiddler, and they are a "small target" making the drop fiddly.
>>>
>>> I wonder;
>>>
>>>- Is there somewhere on tiddlers we can host one or more drop zones 
>>>to make this easy to build?
>>>- Could a dropzone popup with multiple dropzones, open on on hover 
>>>over the title perhaps?
>>>
>>> Thanks for contributing
>>> Tones
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 00:05:37 UTC+10 PMario wrote:
>>>
 Hi,
 I'm not really sure, what you want. 
 It should be relatively simple to add more drop-zones to a tiddler. As 
 you wrote, every button could have it's own dropzone. So if you drop eg: 
 "some text" onto the "H1" button, It could insert the text as ! some text 
 into the tiddler. 

 The problem is, that I think in the end it would be more work, as to 
 directly drop the text into the textarea. ... 

 I don't really see a reason to implement something like this. 

 I'm more the "copy / paste" type of user.

 -mario

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Re: [tw5] Re: [Discussion] Drop Zone per open tiddler idea - need help

[TW Tones]

Mohamad,

You name a number of drop methods that could be very useful, it was this 
awarmnes on my part that I started the thread. With so many possible 
features we need to establish a place on tiddlers where people may expect 
to drop things but it does not use any or much screen "real estate". 
Ideally one could add a tag to any tiddler containing the logic to receive 
content and as long as a filter determines it should be displayed, display 
the drop zone, perhaps only when something is being dragged. The thing is 
we should accommodate multiple drop zones if multiple drop zone code is 
applicable to each tiddler. eg if it does not have a url field offer a drop 
zone to populate it, if it has a person tag offer a drop zone to drop an 
email address. 

While drop zones are good for dragged content we may often find we have the 
value in the clipboard we would otherwise drop in the clipboard, so if we 
could help ctrl-v to any of the visible drop zones would be good as well. 
eg; "hover and past" as a method.

Regards
Tones

On Saturday, 8 May 2021 at 02:35:57 UTC+10 Mohammad wrote:

> Tones,
>
> On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 3:56 AM TW Tones  wrote:
>
>> Mario,
>>
>> Lets see if I can give you more. 
>>
>> For Example 
>>
>>- I currently have is I often add a discussion field to tiddlers 
>>containing a link to the Google Group (GG) discussion. I currently go 
>> edit, 
>>new field discussion, go and find the url and copy and paste it back in 
>> the 
>>wiki.
>>
>>
>>- If I have a space on tiddlers for dropping items I can just drag 
>>   the URL from the GG page and drop it on the "discussion" drop zone on 
>> any 
>>   existing tiddler.
>>- The fact is much in tiddlywiki is already draggable, titles and 
>>selected text, if there were an inherit way to drop content on named 
>> zones 
>>per tiddler some very quick workflows can be developed. Playing in 
>> Streams 
>>lately you can drag items between streams and this is very powerful.
>>
>>
> I am working on some documents explaining some of the basic features of 
> drag and drop of Tiddlywiki! Right now my focus is on droppable widget!
> But what you said is possible, I write some case here
>
>
> [x] drop a link and create a tiddler with fields contains the link
> [x] drop a tiddler and extract fields data and copy to other tiddler
> [x] drop a text and append it to the text of some other tiddlers
> [x] drop a text and deserialize it
> 
>
>
>  
>
>> The Problem with buttons is there is a limit on how many work well on 
>> each tiddler, and they are a "small target" making the drop fiddly.
>>
>> I wonder;
>>
>>- Is there somewhere on tiddlers we can host one or more drop zones 
>>to make this easy to build?
>>- Could a dropzone popup with multiple dropzones, open on on hover 
>>over the title perhaps?
>>
>> Thanks for contributing
>> Tones
>>
>> On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 00:05:37 UTC+10 PMario wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I'm not really sure, what you want. 
>>> It should be relatively simple to add more drop-zones to a tiddler. As 
>>> you wrote, every button could have it's own dropzone. So if you drop eg: 
>>> "some text" onto the "H1" button, It could insert the text as ! some text 
>>> into the tiddler. 
>>>
>>> The problem is, that I think in the end it would be more work, as to 
>>> directly drop the text into the textarea. ... 
>>>
>>> I don't really see a reason to implement something like this. 
>>>
>>> I'm more the "copy / paste" type of user.
>>>
>>> -mario
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: [Discussion] Drop Zone per open tiddler idea - need help

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Tones,

On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 3:56 AM TW Tones  wrote:

> Mario,
>
> Lets see if I can give you more.
>
> For Example
>
>- I currently have is I often add a discussion field to tiddlers
>containing a link to the Google Group (GG) discussion. I currently go edit,
>new field discussion, go and find the url and copy and paste it back in the
>wiki.
>
>
>- If I have a space on tiddlers for dropping items I can just drag the
>   URL from the GG page and drop it on the "discussion" drop zone on any
>   existing tiddler.
>- The fact is much in tiddlywiki is already draggable, titles and
>selected text, if there were an inherit way to drop content on named zones
>per tiddler some very quick workflows can be developed. Playing in Streams
>lately you can drag items between streams and this is very powerful.
>
>
I am working on some documents explaining some of the basic features of
drag and drop of Tiddlywiki! Right now my focus is on droppable widget!
But what you said is possible, I write some case here


[x] drop a link and create a tiddler with fields contains the link
[x] drop a tiddler and extract fields data and copy to other tiddler
[x] drop a text and append it to the text of some other tiddlers
[x] drop a text and deserialize it





> The Problem with buttons is there is a limit on how many work well on each
> tiddler, and they are a "small target" making the drop fiddly.
>
> I wonder;
>
>- Is there somewhere on tiddlers we can host one or more drop zones to
>make this easy to build?
>- Could a dropzone popup with multiple dropzones, open on on hover
>over the title perhaps?
>
> Thanks for contributing
> Tones
>
> On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 00:05:37 UTC+10 PMario wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I'm not really sure, what you want.
>> It should be relatively simple to add more drop-zones to a tiddler. As
>> you wrote, every button could have it's own dropzone. So if you drop eg:
>> "some text" onto the "H1" button, It could insert the text as ! some text
>> into the tiddler.
>>
>> The problem is, that I think in the end it would be more work, as to
>> directly drop the text into the textarea. ...
>>
>> I don't really see a reason to implement something like this.
>>
>> I'm more the "copy / paste" type of user.
>>
>> -mario
>>
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[tw5] Re: [Discussion] Drop Zone per open tiddler idea - need help

[TW Tones]

I noticed :(

On Friday, 7 May 2021 at 13:27:20 UTC+10 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> Poop.  "hover" (as per that link I suggested) doesn't work when dragging.
>
> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 9:06:35 PM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Bump,
>>
>> I am sure some people have some good ideas for this!
>>
>> Tones
>>
>> On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 14:06:03 UTC+10 TW Tones wrote:
>>
>>> Another thought;
>>>
>>> Something similar to the info drop down, that could be activated with a 
>>> button on All tiddlers as a drop zone would be nice. Keeping top the idea 
>>> of a drop zone bar, perhaps with over size buttons.
>>>
>>> I wonder if this could be made to become visible on all tiddlers if 
>>> there is an active drag in progress?, just as the green top bar is on drop 
>>> drag to wiki.
>>>
>>> Tones
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 10:40:42 UTC+10 TW Tones wrote:
>>>
 Yes that would be nice. Yet we also need the initial unzoomed space to 
 be large enough its not too fiddly.

 I recall someones implementation created left and right vertical bars 
 in the margin of tiddlers. This space is available the left gets used by 
 the "Fold Tiddler bar" Dragging over this opening a list of droppable 
 destinations for the current tiddler would be nice; eg the email-address 
 field, drop (or paste) dragged text into the email-address field.

 Actually the fold tiddler bar may be a good example on which to build 
 this.

 I think we really are getting somewhere, thanks Charlie.

 Tones


 On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 10:32:43 UTC+10 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> How TO - Zoom on Hover 
> 
>
> Have your drop zone container expand on hover, so that you can see 
> large enough target drop zone areas in the container ?  
> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 8:26:34 PM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Mario,
>>
>> Lets see if I can give you more. 
>>
>> For Example 
>>
>>- I currently have is I often add a discussion field to tiddlers 
>>containing a link to the Google Group (GG) discussion. I currently go 
>> edit, 
>>new field discussion, go and find the url and copy and paste it back 
>> in the 
>>wiki.
>>
>>
>>- If I have a space on tiddlers for dropping items I can just 
>>   drag the URL from the GG page and drop it on the "discussion" drop 
>> zone on 
>>   any existing tiddler.
>>- The fact is much in tiddlywiki is already draggable, titles and 
>>selected text, if there were an inherit way to drop content on named 
>> zones 
>>per tiddler some very quick workflows can be developed. Playing in 
>> Streams 
>>lately you can drag items between streams and this is very powerful.
>>
>> The Problem with buttons is there is a limit on how many work well on 
>> each tiddler, and they are a "small target" making the drop fiddly.
>>
>> I wonder;
>>
>>- Is there somewhere on tiddlers we can host one or more drop 
>>zones to make this easy to build?
>>- Could a dropzone popup with multiple dropzones, open on on 
>>hover over the title perhaps?
>>
>> Thanks for contributing
>> Tones
>>
>> On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 00:05:37 UTC+10 PMario wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I'm not really sure, what you want. 
>>> It should be relatively simple to add more drop-zones to a tiddler. 
>>> As you wrote, every button could have it's own dropzone. So if you drop 
>>> eg: 
>>> "some text" onto the "H1" button, It could insert the text as ! some 
>>> text 
>>> into the tiddler. 
>>>
>>> The problem is, that I think in the end it would be more work, as to 
>>> directly drop the text into the textarea. ... 
>>>
>>> I don't really see a reason to implement something like this. 
>>>
>>> I'm more the "copy / paste" type of user.
>>>
>>> -mario
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: [Discussion] Drop Zone per open tiddler idea - need help

[Charlie Veniot]

Poop.  "hover" (as per that link I suggested) doesn't work when dragging.

On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 9:06:35 PM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote:

> Bump,
>
> I am sure some people have some good ideas for this!
>
> Tones
>
> On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 14:06:03 UTC+10 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Another thought;
>>
>> Something similar to the info drop down, that could be activated with a 
>> button on All tiddlers as a drop zone would be nice. Keeping top the idea 
>> of a drop zone bar, perhaps with over size buttons.
>>
>> I wonder if this could be made to become visible on all tiddlers if there 
>> is an active drag in progress?, just as the green top bar is on drop drag 
>> to wiki.
>>
>> Tones
>>
>> On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 10:40:42 UTC+10 TW Tones wrote:
>>
>>> Yes that would be nice. Yet we also need the initial unzoomed space to 
>>> be large enough its not too fiddly.
>>>
>>> I recall someones implementation created left and right vertical bars in 
>>> the margin of tiddlers. This space is available the left gets used by the 
>>> "Fold Tiddler bar" Dragging over this opening a list of droppable 
>>> destinations for the current tiddler would be nice; eg the email-address 
>>> field, drop (or paste) dragged text into the email-address field.
>>>
>>> Actually the fold tiddler bar may be a good example on which to build 
>>> this.
>>>
>>> I think we really are getting somewhere, thanks Charlie.
>>>
>>> Tones
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 10:32:43 UTC+10 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 How TO - Zoom on Hover 
 

 Have your drop zone container expand on hover, so that you can see 
 large enough target drop zone areas in the container ?  
 On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 8:26:34 PM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote:

> Mario,
>
> Lets see if I can give you more. 
>
> For Example 
>
>- I currently have is I often add a discussion field to tiddlers 
>containing a link to the Google Group (GG) discussion. I currently go 
> edit, 
>new field discussion, go and find the url and copy and paste it back 
> in the 
>wiki.
>
>
>- If I have a space on tiddlers for dropping items I can just drag 
>   the URL from the GG page and drop it on the "discussion" drop zone 
> on any 
>   existing tiddler.
>- The fact is much in tiddlywiki is already draggable, titles and 
>selected text, if there were an inherit way to drop content on named 
> zones 
>per tiddler some very quick workflows can be developed. Playing in 
> Streams 
>lately you can drag items between streams and this is very powerful.
>
> The Problem with buttons is there is a limit on how many work well on 
> each tiddler, and they are a "small target" making the drop fiddly.
>
> I wonder;
>
>- Is there somewhere on tiddlers we can host one or more drop 
>zones to make this easy to build?
>- Could a dropzone popup with multiple dropzones, open on on hover 
>over the title perhaps?
>
> Thanks for contributing
> Tones
>
> On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 00:05:37 UTC+10 PMario wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I'm not really sure, what you want. 
>> It should be relatively simple to add more drop-zones to a tiddler. 
>> As you wrote, every button could have it's own dropzone. So if you drop 
>> eg: 
>> "some text" onto the "H1" button, It could insert the text as ! some 
>> text 
>> into the tiddler. 
>>
>> The problem is, that I think in the end it would be more work, as to 
>> directly drop the text into the textarea. ... 
>>
>> I don't really see a reason to implement something like this. 
>>
>> I'm more the "copy / paste" type of user.
>>
>> -mario
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: [Discussion] Drop Zone per open tiddler idea - need help

[TW Tones]

Bump,

I am sure some people have some good ideas for this!

Tones

On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 14:06:03 UTC+10 TW Tones wrote:

> Another thought;
>
> Something similar to the info drop down, that could be activated with a 
> button on All tiddlers as a drop zone would be nice. Keeping top the idea 
> of a drop zone bar, perhaps with over size buttons.
>
> I wonder if this could be made to become visible on all tiddlers if there 
> is an active drag in progress?, just as the green top bar is on drop drag 
> to wiki.
>
> Tones
>
> On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 10:40:42 UTC+10 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Yes that would be nice. Yet we also need the initial unzoomed space to be 
>> large enough its not too fiddly.
>>
>> I recall someones implementation created left and right vertical bars in 
>> the margin of tiddlers. This space is available the left gets used by the 
>> "Fold Tiddler bar" Dragging over this opening a list of droppable 
>> destinations for the current tiddler would be nice; eg the email-address 
>> field, drop (or paste) dragged text into the email-address field.
>>
>> Actually the fold tiddler bar may be a good example on which to build 
>> this.
>>
>> I think we really are getting somewhere, thanks Charlie.
>>
>> Tones
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 10:32:43 UTC+10 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> How TO - Zoom on Hover 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Have your drop zone container expand on hover, so that you can see large 
>>> enough target drop zone areas in the container ?  
>>> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 8:26:34 PM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote:
>>>
 Mario,

 Lets see if I can give you more. 

 For Example 

- I currently have is I often add a discussion field to tiddlers 
containing a link to the Google Group (GG) discussion. I currently go 
 edit, 
new field discussion, go and find the url and copy and paste it back in 
 the 
wiki.


- If I have a space on tiddlers for dropping items I can just drag 
   the URL from the GG page and drop it on the "discussion" drop zone 
 on any 
   existing tiddler.
- The fact is much in tiddlywiki is already draggable, titles and 
selected text, if there were an inherit way to drop content on named 
 zones 
per tiddler some very quick workflows can be developed. Playing in 
 Streams 
lately you can drag items between streams and this is very powerful.

 The Problem with buttons is there is a limit on how many work well on 
 each tiddler, and they are a "small target" making the drop fiddly.

 I wonder;

- Is there somewhere on tiddlers we can host one or more drop zones 
to make this easy to build?
- Could a dropzone popup with multiple dropzones, open on on hover 
over the title perhaps?

 Thanks for contributing
 Tones

 On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 00:05:37 UTC+10 PMario wrote:

> Hi,
> I'm not really sure, what you want. 
> It should be relatively simple to add more drop-zones to a tiddler. As 
> you wrote, every button could have it's own dropzone. So if you drop eg: 
> "some text" onto the "H1" button, It could insert the text as ! some text 
> into the tiddler. 
>
> The problem is, that I think in the end it would be more work, as to 
> directly drop the text into the textarea. ... 
>
> I don't really see a reason to implement something like this. 
>
> I'm more the "copy / paste" type of user.
>
> -mario
>


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[tw5] Re: [Discussion] Drop Zone per open tiddler idea - need help

[TW Tones]

Another thought;

Something similar to the info drop down, that could be activated with a 
button on All tiddlers as a drop zone would be nice. Keeping top the idea 
of a drop zone bar, perhaps with over size buttons.

I wonder if this could be made to become visible on all tiddlers if there 
is an active drag in progress?, just as the green top bar is on drop drag 
to wiki.

Tones

On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 10:40:42 UTC+10 TW Tones wrote:

> Yes that would be nice. Yet we also need the initial unzoomed space to be 
> large enough its not too fiddly.
>
> I recall someones implementation created left and right vertical bars in 
> the margin of tiddlers. This space is available the left gets used by the 
> "Fold Tiddler bar" Dragging over this opening a list of droppable 
> destinations for the current tiddler would be nice; eg the email-address 
> field, drop (or paste) dragged text into the email-address field.
>
> Actually the fold tiddler bar may be a good example on which to build this.
>
> I think we really are getting somewhere, thanks Charlie.
>
> Tones
>
>
> On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 10:32:43 UTC+10 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> How TO - Zoom on Hover 
>> 
>>
>> Have your drop zone container expand on hover, so that you can see large 
>> enough target drop zone areas in the container ?  
>> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 8:26:34 PM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote:
>>
>>> Mario,
>>>
>>> Lets see if I can give you more. 
>>>
>>> For Example 
>>>
>>>- I currently have is I often add a discussion field to tiddlers 
>>>containing a link to the Google Group (GG) discussion. I currently go 
>>> edit, 
>>>new field discussion, go and find the url and copy and paste it back in 
>>> the 
>>>wiki.
>>>
>>>
>>>- If I have a space on tiddlers for dropping items I can just drag 
>>>   the URL from the GG page and drop it on the "discussion" drop zone on 
>>> any 
>>>   existing tiddler.
>>>- The fact is much in tiddlywiki is already draggable, titles and 
>>>selected text, if there were an inherit way to drop content on named 
>>> zones 
>>>per tiddler some very quick workflows can be developed. Playing in 
>>> Streams 
>>>lately you can drag items between streams and this is very powerful.
>>>
>>> The Problem with buttons is there is a limit on how many work well on 
>>> each tiddler, and they are a "small target" making the drop fiddly.
>>>
>>> I wonder;
>>>
>>>- Is there somewhere on tiddlers we can host one or more drop zones 
>>>to make this easy to build?
>>>- Could a dropzone popup with multiple dropzones, open on on hover 
>>>over the title perhaps?
>>>
>>> Thanks for contributing
>>> Tones
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 00:05:37 UTC+10 PMario wrote:
>>>
 Hi,
 I'm not really sure, what you want. 
 It should be relatively simple to add more drop-zones to a tiddler. As 
 you wrote, every button could have it's own dropzone. So if you drop eg: 
 "some text" onto the "H1" button, It could insert the text as ! some text 
 into the tiddler. 

 The problem is, that I think in the end it would be more work, as to 
 directly drop the text into the textarea. ... 

 I don't really see a reason to implement something like this. 

 I'm more the "copy / paste" type of user.

 -mario

>>>

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[tw5] Re: [Discussion] Drop Zone per open tiddler idea - need help

[TW Tones]

Yes that would be nice. Yet we also need the initial unzoomed space to be 
large enough its not too fiddly.

I recall someones implementation created left and right vertical bars in 
the margin of tiddlers. This space is available the left gets used by the 
"Fold Tiddler bar" Dragging over this opening a list of droppable 
destinations for the current tiddler would be nice; eg the email-address 
field, drop (or paste) dragged text into the email-address field.

Actually the fold tiddler bar may be a good example on which to build this.

I think we really are getting somewhere, thanks Charlie.

Tones


On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 10:32:43 UTC+10 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> How TO - Zoom on Hover 
> 
>
> Have your drop zone container expand on hover, so that you can see large 
> enough target drop zone areas in the container ?  
> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 8:26:34 PM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Mario,
>>
>> Lets see if I can give you more. 
>>
>> For Example 
>>
>>- I currently have is I often add a discussion field to tiddlers 
>>containing a link to the Google Group (GG) discussion. I currently go 
>> edit, 
>>new field discussion, go and find the url and copy and paste it back in 
>> the 
>>wiki.
>>
>>
>>- If I have a space on tiddlers for dropping items I can just drag 
>>   the URL from the GG page and drop it on the "discussion" drop zone on 
>> any 
>>   existing tiddler.
>>- The fact is much in tiddlywiki is already draggable, titles and 
>>selected text, if there were an inherit way to drop content on named 
>> zones 
>>per tiddler some very quick workflows can be developed. Playing in 
>> Streams 
>>lately you can drag items between streams and this is very powerful.
>>
>> The Problem with buttons is there is a limit on how many work well on 
>> each tiddler, and they are a "small target" making the drop fiddly.
>>
>> I wonder;
>>
>>- Is there somewhere on tiddlers we can host one or more drop zones 
>>to make this easy to build?
>>- Could a dropzone popup with multiple dropzones, open on on hover 
>>over the title perhaps?
>>
>> Thanks for contributing
>> Tones
>>
>> On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 00:05:37 UTC+10 PMario wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I'm not really sure, what you want. 
>>> It should be relatively simple to add more drop-zones to a tiddler. As 
>>> you wrote, every button could have it's own dropzone. So if you drop eg: 
>>> "some text" onto the "H1" button, It could insert the text as ! some text 
>>> into the tiddler. 
>>>
>>> The problem is, that I think in the end it would be more work, as to 
>>> directly drop the text into the textarea. ... 
>>>
>>> I don't really see a reason to implement something like this. 
>>>
>>> I'm more the "copy / paste" type of user.
>>>
>>> -mario
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: [Discussion] Drop Zone per open tiddler idea - need help

[Charlie Veniot]

Oh, and setup buttons for your drop zones, each button within divs of 
certain sizes, and each button of a class that has width and height at 
100%(filling their entire div containers.)

On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 8:26:34 PM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote:

> Mario,
>
> Lets see if I can give you more. 
>
> For Example 
>
>- I currently have is I often add a discussion field to tiddlers 
>containing a link to the Google Group (GG) discussion. I currently go 
> edit, 
>new field discussion, go and find the url and copy and paste it back in 
> the 
>wiki.
>
>
>- If I have a space on tiddlers for dropping items I can just drag the 
>   URL from the GG page and drop it on the "discussion" drop zone on any 
>   existing tiddler.
>- The fact is much in tiddlywiki is already draggable, titles and 
>selected text, if there were an inherit way to drop content on named zones 
>per tiddler some very quick workflows can be developed. Playing in Streams 
>lately you can drag items between streams and this is very powerful.
>
> The Problem with buttons is there is a limit on how many work well on each 
> tiddler, and they are a "small target" making the drop fiddly.
>
> I wonder;
>
>- Is there somewhere on tiddlers we can host one or more drop zones to 
>make this easy to build?
>- Could a dropzone popup with multiple dropzones, open on on hover 
>over the title perhaps?
>
> Thanks for contributing
> Tones
>
> On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 00:05:37 UTC+10 PMario wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I'm not really sure, what you want. 
>> It should be relatively simple to add more drop-zones to a tiddler. As 
>> you wrote, every button could have it's own dropzone. So if you drop eg: 
>> "some text" onto the "H1" button, It could insert the text as ! some text 
>> into the tiddler. 
>>
>> The problem is, that I think in the end it would be more work, as to 
>> directly drop the text into the textarea. ... 
>>
>> I don't really see a reason to implement something like this. 
>>
>> I'm more the "copy / paste" type of user.
>>
>> -mario
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: [Discussion] Drop Zone per open tiddler idea - need help

[Charlie Veniot]

How TO - Zoom on Hover 


Have your drop zone container expand on hover, so that you can see large 
enough target drop zone areas in the container ?  
On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 8:26:34 PM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote:

> Mario,
>
> Lets see if I can give you more. 
>
> For Example 
>
>- I currently have is I often add a discussion field to tiddlers 
>containing a link to the Google Group (GG) discussion. I currently go 
> edit, 
>new field discussion, go and find the url and copy and paste it back in 
> the 
>wiki.
>
>
>- If I have a space on tiddlers for dropping items I can just drag the 
>   URL from the GG page and drop it on the "discussion" drop zone on any 
>   existing tiddler.
>- The fact is much in tiddlywiki is already draggable, titles and 
>selected text, if there were an inherit way to drop content on named zones 
>per tiddler some very quick workflows can be developed. Playing in Streams 
>lately you can drag items between streams and this is very powerful.
>
> The Problem with buttons is there is a limit on how many work well on each 
> tiddler, and they are a "small target" making the drop fiddly.
>
> I wonder;
>
>- Is there somewhere on tiddlers we can host one or more drop zones to 
>make this easy to build?
>- Could a dropzone popup with multiple dropzones, open on on hover 
>over the title perhaps?
>
> Thanks for contributing
> Tones
>
> On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 00:05:37 UTC+10 PMario wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I'm not really sure, what you want. 
>> It should be relatively simple to add more drop-zones to a tiddler. As 
>> you wrote, every button could have it's own dropzone. So if you drop eg: 
>> "some text" onto the "H1" button, It could insert the text as ! some text 
>> into the tiddler. 
>>
>> The problem is, that I think in the end it would be more work, as to 
>> directly drop the text into the textarea. ... 
>>
>> I don't really see a reason to implement something like this. 
>>
>> I'm more the "copy / paste" type of user.
>>
>> -mario
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: [Discussion] Drop Zone per open tiddler idea - need help

[TW Tones]

Mario,

Lets see if I can give you more. 

For Example 

   - I currently have is I often add a discussion field to tiddlers 
   containing a link to the Google Group (GG) discussion. I currently go edit, 
   new field discussion, go and find the url and copy and paste it back in the 
   wiki.


   - If I have a space on tiddlers for dropping items I can just drag the 
  URL from the GG page and drop it on the "discussion" drop zone on any 
  existing tiddler.
   - The fact is much in tiddlywiki is already draggable, titles and 
   selected text, if there were an inherit way to drop content on named zones 
   per tiddler some very quick workflows can be developed. Playing in Streams 
   lately you can drag items between streams and this is very powerful.

The Problem with buttons is there is a limit on how many work well on each 
tiddler, and they are a "small target" making the drop fiddly.

I wonder;

   - Is there somewhere on tiddlers we can host one or more drop zones to 
   make this easy to build?
   - Could a dropzone popup with multiple dropzones, open on on hover over 
   the title perhaps?

Thanks for contributing
Tones

On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 00:05:37 UTC+10 PMario wrote:

> Hi,
> I'm not really sure, what you want. 
> It should be relatively simple to add more drop-zones to a tiddler. As you 
> wrote, every button could have it's own dropzone. So if you drop eg: "some 
> text" onto the "H1" button, It could insert the text as ! some text into 
> the tiddler. 
>
> The problem is, that I think in the end it would be more work, as to 
> directly drop the text into the textarea. ... 
>
> I don't really see a reason to implement something like this. 
>
> I'm more the "copy / paste" type of user.
>
> -mario
>

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[tw5] Re: [Discussion] Drop Zone per open tiddler idea - need help

[Charlie Veniot]

Just a design thought for you.

A "Drop-Zone Bar"  (containing a bunch of ideally-sized drop zones for each 
purpose), part of tiddler titles area (just under the title and ViewToolbar 
buttons) so that the "Sticky titles" = YES keeps the drop-zone visible for 
long tiddlers.

Although, I don't have time to collaborate on this puppy, everything about 
it is now percolating in the back of me sponge.

I may have no choice but to scratch that itch with a proof of concept when 
I can find some downtime.

Damn it, why must *everything* be interesting to me ...

On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 10:11:55 PM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote:

> Folks,
>
> As a long term TiddlyWiki super user a reoccurring need for me is to 
> automate interactions with tiddlers a little more. Specifically I would 
> like a drop zone on tiddlers that can ether interrogate the content of what 
> is being dropped or can have a number of different drop zones within it. I 
> will explain this a little further below;
>
> However the biggest challenge seems to be finding a space on the screen or 
> method so  dropping content will not interfere with the display content in 
> the tiddler. I have made buttons on which you can drop content, but I am 
> looking to find a space where this can be done.
>
> Some Ideas;
>
>- Personally I use the "Fluid Story, Fixed Side Bar a lot, perhaps an 
>area we could toggle on or off could appear to the right of open tiddlers 
>as a tiddler drop zone.
>- I have seen a solution that uses a vertical Right or left hand bar 
>inside tiddlers as an active element. Perhaps this could accept drops
>- Perhaps we could put a tiddler in a drop receptive mode with an 
>overlay that accepts dropping.
>
> Why allow more to be dropped on a tiddler?
> Tiddler often refer to other tiddlers, use fields to contain urls, or 
> emails, phone number; and tags similarly. The ability to drop content from 
> elsewhere in the wiki or external addresses and content on specific 
> tiddlers rather than the wiki (import) would make a lot of since.
>
> What are your thoughts?
>
> Do you have the skills to update the view or tiddler templates to provide 
> a functioonal drop zone per tiddler (permanent or toggle)?
>
> I would love to hear from you!
>
> I am keen to collaborate, Except for the drop zone I thing I have all the 
> code patterns I need.
>
> Tones
>

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[tw5] Re: [Discussion] Drop Zone per open tiddler idea - need help

[PMario]

Hi,
I'm not really sure, what you want. 
It should be relatively simple to add more drop-zones to a tiddler. As you 
wrote, every button could have it's own dropzone. So if you drop eg: "some 
text" onto the "H1" button, It could insert the text as ! some text into 
the tiddler. 

The problem is, that I think in the end it would be more work, as to 
directly drop the text into the textarea. ... 

I don't really see a reason to implement something like this. 

I'm more the "copy / paste" type of user.

-mario

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