Re: [tw5] Re: CleanTids

[David Gifford]

Ah, now I understand, Diego! Thanks for the clarification!




On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 4:20 PM dieg...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> David,
>
> Ill clarify my suggestions:
>
>
> 5. Triple click: why triple instead of double?
>
>- I personally edited the doubeclick plugin to make it triple click
>since I personally kept accidentally double-clicking. This was not really a
>suggestion for you, just saying out loud in case others might find that
>suggestion useful.
>
>
> 6. Triple click between tiddlers to create a new tiddler - ? There is a
> new tiddler button in the sidebar...
>
>- This idea was meant to keep up the "article" illusion. For example,
>if I want to add a tiddler *under* the "Advantages" "section" (tiddler
>titled Advantages, it would be awesome if I could just click near right
>there to place a new tiddler right there.
>- If I click the new tiddler button on the sidebar, it appears at the
>*top* of the river, without any obvious way to reorganize it to where
>I need it. I know you can always reorganize the river many ways -  for
>example, via the "open" sidebar tab, etc. But this ruins the illusion of
>the tiddlers just flowing together like a fluid document.
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 1:43:21 PM UTC-6 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> CleanTids update in response to your comments!
>>
>> Features
>>
>> 1. (yesterday) Toggle 'gaps btwn tids' - formerly labeled as toggle
>> margin width. This is a game changer. Seamless transition from one tiddler
>> to the next. Makes your story river look like an article. Great for
>> printing or exporting story river. Also improves TiddlyWiki's seamless
>> theme. I noticed it doesn't work right on the Notebook theme, as the gaps
>> remain.
>>
>> 2. Added the fixed / fluid sidebar toggle
>>
>> 3. Added links to the palette, theme and story view managers. Why
>> reinvent the wheel? I also added to my file the default palettes and themes
>> from tiddlywiki.com, and number of palettes and a theme or two from the
>> TiddlyWiki toolmap. So you can try them out and drag them to your file.
>>
>> 4. Double click to edit tiddler plugin. The plugin is available since
>> yesterday.
>>
>> (Let me make it clear, this file is not meant to be like Stroll, where
>> you download the entire adaptation and use it. This file is a homepage to
>> get the Toggle tab and related CleanTids stylesheet. Ideally someone could
>> bundle my list of seven system tiddlers as a plugin for me since I am not a
>> plugin kind of guy.)
>>
>> Fixes
>>
>> 1. Now compatible with dark palettes, thanks to help from Eric Shulman.
>>
>> 2. I fixed the SiteSubtitle button. Thanks to Mohammad for pointing it
>> out!
>>
>> 3. (last night) Fixed the backlinks not working
>>
>> Requests :
>>
>> 1.  Notebook theme: since my file is not an edition or adaptation, just a
>> proto-plugin, theme is irrelevant. But I DID add heaps of palettes and the
>> themes I could find, in part to allow users to test my CleanTids out on
>> different themes and palettes before downloading, and in part to make it
>> easy to grab the themes and palettes they like. And Notebook is one of
>> those themes.
>>
>> 2. Theme and palette toggles: I decided it made more sense to link to the
>> native ones already available.
>>
>> 3. Sidebar width: see the fluid / fixed chooser.
>>
>> 4. White background: just use the seamless theme in conjunction with
>> CleanTids. Looks great.
>>
>> 5. Triple click: why triple instead of double?
>>
>> 6. Triple click between tiddlers to create a new tiddler - ? There is a
>> new tiddler button in the sidebar...
>>
>> 7. Toggle the toggle tab: you realize that would only work once, right?
>> Also, with a feature this cool, why would anyone ever want to hide it? :-)
>>
>> 8. Contents tab: I wasn't sure what Mohammad meant by this. It almost
>> sounded as if he wanted something like the parallel tab in my pre-Stroll
>> experiment, TiddlyBlink (https://giffmex.org/gifts/tiddlyblink.html).
>>
>> 9. PMario on titles: I think he just meant when writing a tiddler, to add
>> the title as a header to the text, so that the title is redundant. But if
>> he meant an actual change to CleanTids, it wasn't clear to me.
>>
>> On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 11:29:37 AM UTC-6 David Gifford wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> My experiment last night with primordial tiddlers led to this more final
>>> product, CleanTids.
>>>
>>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/cleantids.html
>>>
>>> Play and enjoy...
>>>
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[tw5] Re: CleanTids

[dieg...@gmail.com]

David,

Ill clarify my suggestions:


5. Triple click: why triple instead of double?

   - I personally edited the doubeclick plugin to make it triple click 
   since I personally kept accidentally double-clicking. This was not really a 
   suggestion for you, just saying out loud in case others might find that 
   suggestion useful. 
   

6. Triple click between tiddlers to create a new tiddler - ? There is a new 
tiddler button in the sidebar...

   - This idea was meant to keep up the "article" illusion. For example, if 
   I want to add a tiddler *under* the "Advantages" "section" (tiddler 
   titled Advantages, it would be awesome if I could just click near right 
   there to place a new tiddler right there. 
   - If I click the new tiddler button on the sidebar, it appears at the 
   *top* of the river, without any obvious way to reorganize it to where I 
   need it. I know you can always reorganize the river many ways -  for 
   example, via the "open" sidebar tab, etc. But this ruins the illusion of 
   the tiddlers just flowing together like a fluid document. 
   

On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 1:43:21 PM UTC-6 David Gifford wrote:

> CleanTids update in response to your comments!
>
> Features
>
> 1. (yesterday) Toggle 'gaps btwn tids' - formerly labeled as toggle margin 
> width. This is a game changer. Seamless transition from one tiddler to the 
> next. Makes your story river look like an article. Great for printing or 
> exporting story river. Also improves TiddlyWiki's seamless theme. I noticed 
> it doesn't work right on the Notebook theme, as the gaps remain.
>
> 2. Added the fixed / fluid sidebar toggle
>
> 3. Added links to the palette, theme and story view managers. Why reinvent 
> the wheel? I also added to my file the default palettes and themes from 
> tiddlywiki.com, and number of palettes and a theme or two from the 
> TiddlyWiki toolmap. So you can try them out and drag them to your file. 
>
> 4. Double click to edit tiddler plugin. The plugin is available since 
> yesterday.
>
> (Let me make it clear, this file is not meant to be like Stroll, where you 
> download the entire adaptation and use it. This file is a homepage to get 
> the Toggle tab and related CleanTids stylesheet. Ideally someone could 
> bundle my list of seven system tiddlers as a plugin for me since I am not a 
> plugin kind of guy.)
>
> Fixes
>
> 1. Now compatible with dark palettes, thanks to help from Eric Shulman.
>
> 2. I fixed the SiteSubtitle button. Thanks to Mohammad for pointing it out!
>
> 3. (last night) Fixed the backlinks not working
>
> Requests :
>
> 1.  Notebook theme: since my file is not an edition or adaptation, just a 
> proto-plugin, theme is irrelevant. But I DID add heaps of palettes and the 
> themes I could find, in part to allow users to test my CleanTids out on 
> different themes and palettes before downloading, and in part to make it 
> easy to grab the themes and palettes they like. And Notebook is one of 
> those themes.
>
> 2. Theme and palette toggles: I decided it made more sense to link to the 
> native ones already available.
>
> 3. Sidebar width: see the fluid / fixed chooser.
>
> 4. White background: just use the seamless theme in conjunction with 
> CleanTids. Looks great.
>
> 5. Triple click: why triple instead of double?
>
> 6. Triple click between tiddlers to create a new tiddler - ? There is a 
> new tiddler button in the sidebar...
>
> 7. Toggle the toggle tab: you realize that would only work once, right? 
> Also, with a feature this cool, why would anyone ever want to hide it? :-)
>
> 8. Contents tab: I wasn't sure what Mohammad meant by this. It almost 
> sounded as if he wanted something like the parallel tab in my pre-Stroll 
> experiment, TiddlyBlink (https://giffmex.org/gifts/tiddlyblink.html).
>
> 9. PMario on titles: I think he just meant when writing a tiddler, to add 
> the title as a header to the text, so that the title is redundant. But if 
> he meant an actual change to CleanTids, it wasn't clear to me. 
>
> On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 11:29:37 AM UTC-6 David Gifford wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> My experiment last night with primordial tiddlers led to this more final 
>> product, CleanTids.
>>
>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/cleantids.html
>>
>> Play and enjoy...
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: CleanTids

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Wonderful!

Thank you David!



Best wishes
Mohammad


On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 11:13 PM David Gifford  wrote:

> CleanTids update in response to your comments!
>
> Features
>
> 1. (yesterday) Toggle 'gaps btwn tids' - formerly labeled as toggle margin
> width. This is a game changer. Seamless transition from one tiddler to the
> next. Makes your story river look like an article. Great for printing or
> exporting story river. Also improves TiddlyWiki's seamless theme. I noticed
> it doesn't work right on the Notebook theme, as the gaps remain.
>
> 2. Added the fixed / fluid sidebar toggle
>
> 3. Added links to the palette, theme and story view managers. Why reinvent
> the wheel? I also added to my file the default palettes and themes from
> tiddlywiki.com, and number of palettes and a theme or two from the
> TiddlyWiki toolmap. So you can try them out and drag them to your file.
>
> 4. Double click to edit tiddler plugin. The plugin is available since
> yesterday.
>
> (Let me make it clear, this file is not meant to be like Stroll, where you
> download the entire adaptation and use it. This file is a homepage to get
> the Toggle tab and related CleanTids stylesheet. Ideally someone could
> bundle my list of seven system tiddlers as a plugin for me since I am not a
> plugin kind of guy.)
>
> Fixes
>
> 1. Now compatible with dark palettes, thanks to help from Eric Shulman.
>
> 2. I fixed the SiteSubtitle button. Thanks to Mohammad for pointing it out!
>
> 3. (last night) Fixed the backlinks not working
>
> Requests :
>
> 1.  Notebook theme: since my file is not an edition or adaptation, just a
> proto-plugin, theme is irrelevant. But I DID add heaps of palettes and the
> themes I could find, in part to allow users to test my CleanTids out on
> different themes and palettes before downloading, and in part to make it
> easy to grab the themes and palettes they like. And Notebook is one of
> those themes.
>
> 2. Theme and palette toggles: I decided it made more sense to link to the
> native ones already available.
>
> 3. Sidebar width: see the fluid / fixed chooser.
>
> 4. White background: just use the seamless theme in conjunction with
> CleanTids. Looks great.
>
> 5. Triple click: why triple instead of double?
>
> 6. Triple click between tiddlers to create a new tiddler - ? There is a
> new tiddler button in the sidebar...
>
> 7. Toggle the toggle tab: you realize that would only work once, right?
> Also, with a feature this cool, why would anyone ever want to hide it? :-)
>
> 8. Contents tab: I wasn't sure what Mohammad meant by this. It almost
> sounded as if he wanted something like the parallel tab in my pre-Stroll
> experiment, TiddlyBlink (https://giffmex.org/gifts/tiddlyblink.html).
>
> 9. PMario on titles: I think he just meant when writing a tiddler, to add
> the title as a header to the text, so that the title is redundant. But if
> he meant an actual change to CleanTids, it wasn't clear to me.
>
> On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 11:29:37 AM UTC-6 David Gifford wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> My experiment last night with primordial tiddlers led to this more final
>> product, CleanTids.
>>
>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/cleantids.html
>>
>> Play and enjoy...
>>
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[tw5] Re: CleanTids

[David Gifford]

CleanTids update in response to your comments!

Features

1. (yesterday) Toggle 'gaps btwn tids' - formerly labeled as toggle margin 
width. This is a game changer. Seamless transition from one tiddler to the 
next. Makes your story river look like an article. Great for printing or 
exporting story river. Also improves TiddlyWiki's seamless theme. I noticed 
it doesn't work right on the Notebook theme, as the gaps remain.

2. Added the fixed / fluid sidebar toggle

3. Added links to the palette, theme and story view managers. Why reinvent 
the wheel? I also added to my file the default palettes and themes from 
tiddlywiki.com, and number of palettes and a theme or two from the 
TiddlyWiki toolmap. So you can try them out and drag them to your file. 

4. Double click to edit tiddler plugin. The plugin is available since 
yesterday.

(Let me make it clear, this file is not meant to be like Stroll, where you 
download the entire adaptation and use it. This file is a homepage to get 
the Toggle tab and related CleanTids stylesheet. Ideally someone could 
bundle my list of seven system tiddlers as a plugin for me since I am not a 
plugin kind of guy.)

Fixes

1. Now compatible with dark palettes, thanks to help from Eric Shulman.

2. I fixed the SiteSubtitle button. Thanks to Mohammad for pointing it out!

3. (last night) Fixed the backlinks not working

Requests :

1.  Notebook theme: since my file is not an edition or adaptation, just a 
proto-plugin, theme is irrelevant. But I DID add heaps of palettes and the 
themes I could find, in part to allow users to test my CleanTids out on 
different themes and palettes before downloading, and in part to make it 
easy to grab the themes and palettes they like. And Notebook is one of 
those themes.

2. Theme and palette toggles: I decided it made more sense to link to the 
native ones already available.

3. Sidebar width: see the fluid / fixed chooser.

4. White background: just use the seamless theme in conjunction with 
CleanTids. Looks great.

5. Triple click: why triple instead of double?

6. Triple click between tiddlers to create a new tiddler - ? There is a new 
tiddler button in the sidebar...

7. Toggle the toggle tab: you realize that would only work once, right? 
Also, with a feature this cool, why would anyone ever want to hide it? :-)

8. Contents tab: I wasn't sure what Mohammad meant by this. It almost 
sounded as if he wanted something like the parallel tab in my pre-Stroll 
experiment, TiddlyBlink (https://giffmex.org/gifts/tiddlyblink.html).

9. PMario on titles: I think he just meant when writing a tiddler, to add 
the title as a header to the text, so that the title is redundant. But if 
he meant an actual change to CleanTids, it wasn't clear to me. 

On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 11:29:37 AM UTC-6 David Gifford wrote:

>
> Hi all
>
> My experiment last night with primordial tiddlers led to this more final 
> product, CleanTids.
>
> https://giffmex.org/experiments/cleantids.html
>
> Play and enjoy...
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: CleanTids

[Mohammad Rahmani]

On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 7:25 PM TiddlyTweeter 
wrote:

> *David, this is seriously good use of CSS in TW.*
>
> Give a thought to WIDTH, maybe?
>
> Some of the lines are over 150 characters each.
>
> A CENTERED STREAM of about 80 characters wide  might hum even better?
>

I would recommend the Notebook theme from Nico!

>
> Best wishes
> TT
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[tw5] Re: CleanTids

[TiddlyTweeter]

*David, this is seriously good use of CSS in TW.*

Give a thought to WIDTH, maybe?

Some of the lines are over 150 characters each.

A CENTERED STREAM of about 80 characters wide  might hum even better?

Best wishes
TT

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[tw5] Re: CleanTids

[Ste]

That's looking really good! 


On Tuesday, 23 February 2021 at 14:14:20 UTC David Gifford wrote:

> Oh boy! Something new to try. Shout out to Diego for the idea.
>
> 1. Go to https://giffmex.org/experiments/cleantids.html
> 2. Click 'Hide / reveal margins'
> 3. If you like it, and already have the other tiddlers, the only tiddler 
> you need is $:/.giffmex/Stylesheet/CleanTidsNoMargin 
>
> On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 7:56:11 AM UTC-6 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> Additional notes:
>>
>> 1. Cleantids is in fact compatible with Stroll, but only if you use the 
>> default TiddlyWiki title setting for Stroll (gear tab). Also helps to use 
>> the 'hidden' option of the Stroll references view, to hide the . 
>>
>> 2. I am waiting on a fix in another thread to get this compatible with 
>> darker themes.
>>
>> 3. In Stroll, see what happens when you fold a tiddler, then hide the 
>> other elements...
>>
>> 4. Try this out with the seamless theme. While the space between tiddlers 
>> is too tall, it will still rock your world...
>>
>> 5. Possible next steps: 
>> a) Create a separate stylesheet where the space between the tiddlers is 
>> 0, and create toggle buttons to switch between the two. This would make 
>> seamless view look like an article!
>> b) Toggle available themes and available palettes. If someone wants to 
>> create this as a dropdown list for me, all the better. But I *might* be 
>> able to do this as buttons.
>>
>> On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 11:29:37 AM UTC-6 David Gifford wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> My experiment last night with primordial tiddlers led to this more final 
>>> product, CleanTids.
>>>
>>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/cleantids.html
>>>
>>> Play and enjoy...
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: CleanTids

[David Gifford]

Oh boy! Something new to try. Shout out to Diego for the idea.

1. Go to https://giffmex.org/experiments/cleantids.html
2. Click 'Hide / reveal margins'
3. If you like it, and already have the other tiddlers, the only tiddler 
you need is $:/.giffmex/Stylesheet/CleanTidsNoMargin 

On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 7:56:11 AM UTC-6 David Gifford wrote:

> Additional notes:
>
> 1. Cleantids is in fact compatible with Stroll, but only if you use the 
> default TiddlyWiki title setting for Stroll (gear tab). Also helps to use 
> the 'hidden' option of the Stroll references view, to hide the . 
>
> 2. I am waiting on a fix in another thread to get this compatible with 
> darker themes.
>
> 3. In Stroll, see what happens when you fold a tiddler, then hide the 
> other elements...
>
> 4. Try this out with the seamless theme. While the space between tiddlers 
> is too tall, it will still rock your world...
>
> 5. Possible next steps: 
> a) Create a separate stylesheet where the space between the tiddlers is 0, 
> and create toggle buttons to switch between the two. This would make 
> seamless view look like an article!
> b) Toggle available themes and available palettes. If someone wants to 
> create this as a dropdown list for me, all the better. But I *might* be 
> able to do this as buttons.
>
> On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 11:29:37 AM UTC-6 David Gifford wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> My experiment last night with primordial tiddlers led to this more final 
>> product, CleanTids.
>>
>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/cleantids.html
>>
>> Play and enjoy...
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: CleanTids

[David Gifford]

Additional notes:

1. Cleantids is in fact compatible with Stroll, but only if you use the 
default TiddlyWiki title setting for Stroll (gear tab). Also helps to use 
the 'hidden' option of the Stroll references view, to hide the . 

2. I am waiting on a fix in another thread to get this compatible with 
darker themes.

3. In Stroll, see what happens when you fold a tiddler, then hide the other 
elements...

4. Try this out with the seamless theme. While the space between tiddlers 
is too tall, it will still rock your world...

5. Possible next steps: 
a) Create a separate stylesheet where the space between the tiddlers is 0, 
and create toggle buttons to switch between the two. This would make 
seamless view look like an article!
b) Toggle available themes and available palettes. If someone wants to 
create this as a dropdown list for me, all the better. But I *might* be 
able to do this as buttons.

On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 11:29:37 AM UTC-6 David Gifford wrote:

>
> Hi all
>
> My experiment last night with primordial tiddlers led to this more final 
> product, CleanTids.
>
> https://giffmex.org/experiments/cleantids.html
>
> Play and enjoy...
>

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[tw5] Re: CleanTids

[ludwa6]

Awesome, @Dave -thanks again!   /walt

On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 1:12:59 PM UTC David Gifford wrote:

> FIXED!
>
> I forgot to list $:/core/ui/ListItemTemplate2 which the backlinks tiddler 
> is dependent upon. Go to CleanTids and grab it from the now updated Get it! 
> tiddler. 
>
> On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 6:39:45 AM UTC-6 ludwa6 wrote:
>
>> Thanks @Birthe, but that's what i'm doing (if i understand you right) and 
>> it's not working.  On this new TiddlyHost site 
>>  i set up for testing purposes, the default 
>> (show on startup) tiddler has a backlink, as you can see under the "Info" 
>> tab... But they don't show anywhere by default, and if you click on the 
>> "Backlinks" link under "Toggle" tab in sidebar, nothing happens.  I still 
>> don't get it!  
>> /walt
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 12:29:52 PM UTC strikke...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You  need to click one of the backlinks options in the sidebar. And of 
>>> course some backlinks to show.
>>>
>>>
>>> tirsdag den 23. februar 2021 kl. 12.47.47 UTC+1 skrev ludwa6:
>>>
 Lovin' it, @Dave -except: i don't see how the "Backlinks" feature 
 works.  Having followed the instructions and installed those 4 special 
 tiddlers in a clean TW instance, i don't see any backlinks showing up 
 -certainly not the way i'm used to seeing in Stroll- so of course pushing 
 the "Backlinks" link under "Toggle" tab makes no difference, AFAICT.  So 
 what am i missing, i wonder?

 On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 5:29:37 PM UTC David Gifford wrote:

>
> Hi all
>
> My experiment last night with primordial tiddlers led to this more 
> final product, CleanTids.
>
> https://giffmex.org/experiments/cleantids.html
>
> Play and enjoy...
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[tw5] Re: CleanTids

[strikke...@gmail.com]

Thanks Dave. So that was it. Always something.

Birthe
tirsdag den 23. februar 2021 kl. 14.39.26 UTC+1 skrev strikke...@gmail.com:

> @ludwa6,
> Transclude tids  w/backlinks works...but not backlinks. It gets stranger 
> and stranger.
>
> Birthe
>
> tirsdag den 23. februar 2021 kl. 13.39.45 UTC+1 skrev ludwa6:
>
>> Thanks @Birthe, but that's what i'm doing (if i understand you right) and 
>> it's not working.  On this new TiddlyHost site 
>>  i set up for testing purposes, the default 
>> (show on startup) tiddler has a backlink, as you can see under the "Info" 
>> tab... But they don't show anywhere by default, and if you click on the 
>> "Backlinks" link under "Toggle" tab in sidebar, nothing happens.  I still 
>> don't get it!  
>> /walt
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 12:29:52 PM UTC strikke...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You  need to click one of the backlinks options in the sidebar. And of 
>>> course some backlinks to show.
>>>
>>>
>>> tirsdag den 23. februar 2021 kl. 12.47.47 UTC+1 skrev ludwa6:
>>>
 Lovin' it, @Dave -except: i don't see how the "Backlinks" feature 
 works.  Having followed the instructions and installed those 4 special 
 tiddlers in a clean TW instance, i don't see any backlinks showing up 
 -certainly not the way i'm used to seeing in Stroll- so of course pushing 
 the "Backlinks" link under "Toggle" tab makes no difference, AFAICT.  So 
 what am i missing, i wonder?

 On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 5:29:37 PM UTC David Gifford wrote:

>
> Hi all
>
> My experiment last night with primordial tiddlers led to this more 
> final product, CleanTids.
>
> https://giffmex.org/experiments/cleantids.html
>
> Play and enjoy...
>


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[tw5] Re: CleanTids

[strikke...@gmail.com]

@ludwa6,
Transclude tids  w/backlinks works...but not backlinks. It gets stranger 
and stranger.

Birthe

tirsdag den 23. februar 2021 kl. 13.39.45 UTC+1 skrev ludwa6:

> Thanks @Birthe, but that's what i'm doing (if i understand you right) and 
> it's not working.  On this new TiddlyHost site 
>  i set up for testing purposes, the default 
> (show on startup) tiddler has a backlink, as you can see under the "Info" 
> tab... But they don't show anywhere by default, and if you click on the 
> "Backlinks" link under "Toggle" tab in sidebar, nothing happens.  I still 
> don't get it!  
> /walt
>
> On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 12:29:52 PM UTC strikke...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> You  need to click one of the backlinks options in the sidebar. And of 
>> course some backlinks to show.
>>
>>
>> tirsdag den 23. februar 2021 kl. 12.47.47 UTC+1 skrev ludwa6:
>>
>>> Lovin' it, @Dave -except: i don't see how the "Backlinks" feature 
>>> works.  Having followed the instructions and installed those 4 special 
>>> tiddlers in a clean TW instance, i don't see any backlinks showing up 
>>> -certainly not the way i'm used to seeing in Stroll- so of course pushing 
>>> the "Backlinks" link under "Toggle" tab makes no difference, AFAICT.  So 
>>> what am i missing, i wonder?
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 5:29:37 PM UTC David Gifford wrote:
>>>

 Hi all

 My experiment last night with primordial tiddlers led to this more 
 final product, CleanTids.

 https://giffmex.org/experiments/cleantids.html

 Play and enjoy...

>>>

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[tw5] Re: CleanTids

[David Gifford]

Thanks for the encouragement, rutau...!

On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 3:34:19 AM UTC-6 rutau...@gmail.com wrote:

> Tried and adopted. Best way to takes note quickly.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Le mardi 23 février 2021 à 09:04:57 UTC+1, TiddlyTweeter a écrit :
>
>> David Gifford wrote:
>>
>>> My experiment last night with primordial tiddlers led to this more final 
>>> product, CleanTids.
>>>
>>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/cleantids.html
>>>
>>
>> IF I could have my special wish :-) it would be a TOGGLE for "Hiding the 
>> Sidebar" too :-). 
>>
>> Best wishes
>> TT
>>
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[tw5] Re: CleanTids

[David Gifford]

FIXED!

I forgot to list $:/core/ui/ListItemTemplate2 which the backlinks tiddler 
is dependent upon. Go to CleanTids and grab it from the now updated Get it! 
tiddler. 

On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 6:39:45 AM UTC-6 ludwa6 wrote:

> Thanks @Birthe, but that's what i'm doing (if i understand you right) and 
> it's not working.  On this new TiddlyHost site 
>  i set up for testing purposes, the default 
> (show on startup) tiddler has a backlink, as you can see under the "Info" 
> tab... But they don't show anywhere by default, and if you click on the 
> "Backlinks" link under "Toggle" tab in sidebar, nothing happens.  I still 
> don't get it!  
> /walt
>
> On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 12:29:52 PM UTC strikke...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> You  need to click one of the backlinks options in the sidebar. And of 
>> course some backlinks to show.
>>
>>
>> tirsdag den 23. februar 2021 kl. 12.47.47 UTC+1 skrev ludwa6:
>>
>>> Lovin' it, @Dave -except: i don't see how the "Backlinks" feature 
>>> works.  Having followed the instructions and installed those 4 special 
>>> tiddlers in a clean TW instance, i don't see any backlinks showing up 
>>> -certainly not the way i'm used to seeing in Stroll- so of course pushing 
>>> the "Backlinks" link under "Toggle" tab makes no difference, AFAICT.  So 
>>> what am i missing, i wonder?
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 5:29:37 PM UTC David Gifford wrote:
>>>

 Hi all

 My experiment last night with primordial tiddlers led to this more 
 final product, CleanTids.

 https://giffmex.org/experiments/cleantids.html

 Play and enjoy...

>>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: CleanTids

[David Gifford]

ludwa / Walt

I was having the same problem yesterday when I downloaded an empty Stroll
and transferred the CleanTids and ToggleTab. I thought I may have done
something wrong. I just tried transferring the tiddlers to a
tiddlywiki.com/empty.html file, and it doesn't work there either. So how
come it works in the cleantids file??? I will to investigate and report.

Also, I had to adjust numerous tiddlers to make CleanTids work with Stroll.
For example, I saw double titlebars.

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On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 6:39 AM ludwa6  wrote:

> Thanks @Birthe, but that's what i'm doing (if i understand you right) and
> it's not working.  On this new TiddlyHost site
>  i set up for testing purposes, the default
> (show on startup) tiddler has a backlink, as you can see under the "Info"
> tab... But they don't show anywhere by default, and if you click on the
> "Backlinks" link under "Toggle" tab in sidebar, nothing happens.  I still
> don't get it!
> /walt
>
> On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 12:29:52 PM UTC strikke...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> You  need to click one of the backlinks options in the sidebar. And of
>> course some backlinks to show.
>>
>>
>> tirsdag den 23. februar 2021 kl. 12.47.47 UTC+1 skrev ludwa6:
>>
>>> Lovin' it, @Dave -except: i don't see how the "Backlinks" feature
>>> works.  Having followed the instructions and installed those 4 special
>>> tiddlers in a clean TW instance, i don't see any backlinks showing up
>>> -certainly not the way i'm used to seeing in Stroll- so of course pushing
>>> the "Backlinks" link under "Toggle" tab makes no difference, AFAICT.  So
>>> what am i missing, i wonder?
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 5:29:37 PM UTC David Gifford wrote:
>>>

 Hi all

 My experiment last night with primordial tiddlers led to this more
 final product, CleanTids.

 https://giffmex.org/experiments/cleantids.html

 Play and enjoy...

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Re: [tw5] Re: CleanTids

[David Gifford]

Hahahaha Hide the entire sidebar??? You ask for too much! Imagine, a button
to toggle the sidebar... :-)

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On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 2:05 AM TiddlyTweeter 
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> David Gifford wrote:
>
>> My experiment last night with primordial tiddlers led to this more final
>> product, CleanTids.
>>
>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/cleantids.html
>>
>
> IF I could have my special wish :-) it would be a TOGGLE for "Hiding the
> Sidebar" too :-).
>
> Best wishes
> TT
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[tw5] Re: CleanTids

[ludwa6]

Thanks @Birthe, but that's what i'm doing (if i understand you right) and 
it's not working.  On this new TiddlyHost site  
i set up for testing purposes, the default (show on startup) tiddler has a 
backlink, as you can see under the "Info" tab... But they don't show 
anywhere by default, and if you click on the "Backlinks" link under 
"Toggle" tab in sidebar, nothing happens.  I still don't get it!  
/walt

On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 12:29:52 PM UTC strikke...@gmail.com wrote:

> You  need to click one of the backlinks options in the sidebar. And of 
> course some backlinks to show.
>
>
> tirsdag den 23. februar 2021 kl. 12.47.47 UTC+1 skrev ludwa6:
>
>> Lovin' it, @Dave -except: i don't see how the "Backlinks" feature works.  
>> Having followed the instructions and installed those 4 special tiddlers in 
>> a clean TW instance, i don't see any backlinks showing up -certainly not 
>> the way i'm used to seeing in Stroll- so of course pushing the "Backlinks" 
>> link under "Toggle" tab makes no difference, AFAICT.  So what am i missing, 
>> i wonder?
>>
>> On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 5:29:37 PM UTC David Gifford wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> My experiment last night with primordial tiddlers led to this more final 
>>> product, CleanTids.
>>>
>>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/cleantids.html
>>>
>>> Play and enjoy...
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: CleanTids

[strikke...@gmail.com]

You  need to click one of the backlinks options in the sidebar. And of 
course some backlinks to show.


tirsdag den 23. februar 2021 kl. 12.47.47 UTC+1 skrev ludwa6:

> Lovin' it, @Dave -except: i don't see how the "Backlinks" feature works.  
> Having followed the instructions and installed those 4 special tiddlers in 
> a clean TW instance, i don't see any backlinks showing up -certainly not 
> the way i'm used to seeing in Stroll- so of course pushing the "Backlinks" 
> link under "Toggle" tab makes no difference, AFAICT.  So what am i missing, 
> i wonder?
>
> On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 5:29:37 PM UTC David Gifford wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> My experiment last night with primordial tiddlers led to this more final 
>> product, CleanTids.
>>
>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/cleantids.html
>>
>> Play and enjoy...
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: CleanTids

[ludwa6]

Lovin' it, @Dave -except: i don't see how the "Backlinks" feature works.  
Having followed the instructions and installed those 4 special tiddlers in 
a clean TW instance, i don't see any backlinks showing up -certainly not 
the way i'm used to seeing in Stroll- so of course pushing the "Backlinks" 
link under "Toggle" tab makes no difference, AFAICT.  So what am i missing, 
i wonder?

On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 5:29:37 PM UTC David Gifford wrote:

>
> Hi all
>
> My experiment last night with primordial tiddlers led to this more final 
> product, CleanTids.
>
> https://giffmex.org/experiments/cleantids.html
>
> Play and enjoy...
>

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[tw5] Re: CleanTids

[Jean-Philippe Rutault]

Tried and adopted. Best way to takes note quickly.

Thanks!

Le mardi 23 février 2021 à 09:04:57 UTC+1, TiddlyTweeter a écrit :

> David Gifford wrote:
>
>> My experiment last night with primordial tiddlers led to this more final 
>> product, CleanTids.
>>
>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/cleantids.html
>>
>
> IF I could have my special wish :-) it would be a TOGGLE for "Hiding the 
> Sidebar" too :-). 
>
> Best wishes
> TT
>

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[tw5] Re: CleanTids

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David Gifford wrote:

> My experiment last night with primordial tiddlers led to this more final 
> product, CleanTids.
>
> https://giffmex.org/experiments/cleantids.html
>

IF I could have my special wish :-) it would be a TOGGLE for "Hiding the 
Sidebar" too :-). 

Best wishes
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[tw5] Re: CleanTids

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David Gifford wrote:

> My experiment last night with primordial tiddlers led to this more final 
> product, CleanTids.
>
> https://giffmex.org/experiments/cleantids.html
>

THAT is a GREAT piece of re-design! 

And shows you do not need to be buried in JavaScript to really innovate. 

It is a KEEPER.

Best wishes
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Re: [tw5] Re: CleanTids

[David Gifford]

Wow, got you thinking, now, didn't I, Diego?

If you like the white background between tiddlers (I personally like them
visually distinct), try the Blanca palette (I designed that and named it
after my wife), and tweak it (it really needs updating a few of the colors
and styles). It is white and has faint outlines around the tiddlers.

Not sure how to do triple click editing. I did add the 2click2edit. Maybe
that is a setting. It was nice for this veteran of TW classic to go back to
doubleclicking.

I am not sure I understood the part about triple clicking in the river to
create a new tiddler, or how that would happen. One idea I had was to have
a tiddler with "Open all tagged" and "Open all backlinked" to click a tag
or link, and open them all, and export the river as static, or print it. Of
course, for links, there is already the method of toggling "Transclude tids
w/ backlinks" and export or print from that.

Blessings,

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On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 8:33 PM dieg...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Now that I have thought about this more, I like it even more!
>
> It feels more natural, like editing a wikipedia page. When you edit a
> wikipedia page you click "edit" on a "sub section" (tiddler) and then edit
> it. Just like this!
>
> With this approach, tiddlers almost *disappear*. The *river* (or of
> *sequence* of tiddlers) now becomes most important/visible!
>
> Im just excitedly thinking outloud here, and in no way suggesting you must
> or should the following David. Just want to add my thoughts here while I
> have them!
>
> I would add the following:
>
>- keep a white background between tiddlers (so as to make the
>difference between tiddlers even more invisible)
>- Triple-click-to-edit a tiddler
>- triple clicking on the river *between* tiddlers (or at the end,
>beginning, etc) places you into edit more for a *new* tiddler, whose
>title you can set (or not - maybe randomly generated). This tiddler remains
>there where you clicked in the river.
>- You can then *save the river*, as a "document"!
>
>
> Its wonderful!! Thank you David! This has me reconceptualizing my TW all
> over again!
>
> On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 7:59:40 PM UTC-6 PMario wrote:
>
>> On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 6:29:37 PM UTC+1 David Gifford wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>> My experiment last night with primordial tiddlers led to this more final
>>> product, CleanTids.
>>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/cleantids.html
>>>
>> Play and enjoy...
>>>
>>
>> That's a very interesting approach. - Well done!
>>
>> I think, there would be even more flexibility, if you would use titles in
>> a slightly different way. eg:
>>
>> title: philosophy-what-ever
>>
>> ! Philosophy
>>
>> Tiddlers are supposedy short snippets of text linked by hyperlinks. So I
>> think they should look small and minimal - more like tweets, less like word
>> processor documents.
>> This would allow you to transclude the text _and_ the heading. eg:
>>
>> title: xx-tiddler
>>
>> {{ philosophy-what-ever }}
>>
>> The same would be true if you would transclude tiddlers with the
>> $list-widget. You can show "caption" and "subtitle" instead of the title.
>>
>> Just some ideas
>>
>> -mario
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: CleanTids

[David Gifford]

Thanks Mario

Yes, I was thinking that if I need the title visible when viewing or
transcluding, I could just repeat it as a header. Or just use date time
stamps for the title, and add the actual title as a header, as you say.

Another thing I thought of today was having two levels of tiddlers:

1. Topics, tagged with larger domains.
2. Notes, with backlinks to the topics.

Open a topic tiddler, toggle the transclusions of backlinks, and voila, you
have a printable or exportable list of notes on that topic.

Blessings,

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On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 7:59 PM PMario  wrote:

> On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 6:29:37 PM UTC+1 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>> My experiment last night with primordial tiddlers led to this more final
>> product, CleanTids.
>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/cleantids.html
>>
> Play and enjoy...
>>
>
> That's a very interesting approach. - Well done!
>
> I think, there would be even more flexibility, if you would use titles in
> a slightly different way. eg:
>
> title: philosophy-what-ever
>
> ! Philosophy
>
> Tiddlers are supposedy short snippets of text linked by hyperlinks. So I
> think they should look small and minimal - more like tweets, less like word
> processor documents.
> This would allow you to transclude the text _and_ the heading. eg:
>
> title: xx-tiddler
>
> {{ philosophy-what-ever }}
>
> The same would be true if you would transclude tiddlers with the
> $list-widget. You can show "caption" and "subtitle" instead of the title.
>
> Just some ideas
>
> -mario
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[tw5] Re: CleanTids

[dieg...@gmail.com]

Now that I have thought about this more, I like it even more! 

It feels more natural, like editing a wikipedia page. When you edit a 
wikipedia page you click "edit" on a "sub section" (tiddler) and then edit 
it. Just like this! 

With this approach, tiddlers almost *disappear*. The *river* (or of 
*sequence* of tiddlers) now becomes most important/visible! 

Im just excitedly thinking outloud here, and in no way suggesting you must 
or should the following David. Just want to add my thoughts here while I 
have them!  

I would add the following: 

   - keep a white background between tiddlers (so as to make the difference 
   between tiddlers even more invisible)
   - Triple-click-to-edit a tiddler
   - triple clicking on the river *between* tiddlers (or at the end, 
   beginning, etc) places you into edit more for a *new* tiddler, whose 
   title you can set (or not - maybe randomly generated). This tiddler remains 
   there where you clicked in the river.
   - You can then *save the river*, as a "document"! 
   

Its wonderful!! Thank you David! This has me reconceptualizing my TW all 
over again! 

On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 7:59:40 PM UTC-6 PMario wrote:

> On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 6:29:37 PM UTC+1 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>
> Hi,
>  
>
>> My experiment last night with primordial tiddlers led to this more final 
>> product, CleanTids.
>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/cleantids.html
>>
> Play and enjoy...
>>
>
> That's a very interesting approach. - Well done!
>
> I think, there would be even more flexibility, if you would use titles in 
> a slightly different way. eg: 
>
> title: philosophy-what-ever
>
> ! Philosophy
>
> Tiddlers are supposedy short snippets of text linked by hyperlinks. So I 
> think they should look small and minimal - more like tweets, less like word 
> processor documents.
> This would allow you to transclude the text _and_ the heading. eg: 
>
> title: xx-tiddler
>
> {{ philosophy-what-ever }}   
>
> The same would be true if you would transclude tiddlers with the 
> $list-widget. You can show "caption" and "subtitle" instead of the title. 
>
> Just some ideas
>
> -mario
>
>

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[tw5] Re: CleanTids

[PMario]

On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 6:29:37 PM UTC+1 David Gifford wrote:

> Hi all
>

Hi,
 

> My experiment last night with primordial tiddlers led to this more final 
> product, CleanTids.
> https://giffmex.org/experiments/cleantids.html
>
Play and enjoy...
>

That's a very interesting approach. - Well done!

I think, there would be even more flexibility, if you would use titles in a 
slightly different way. eg: 

title: philosophy-what-ever

! Philosophy

Tiddlers are supposedy short snippets of text linked by hyperlinks. So I 
think they should look small and minimal - more like tweets, less like word 
processor documents.
This would allow you to transclude the text _and_ the heading. eg: 

title: xx-tiddler

{{ philosophy-what-ever }}   

The same would be true if you would transclude tiddlers with the 
$list-widget. You can show "caption" and "subtitle" instead of the title. 

Just some ideas

-mario

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Re: [tw5] Re: CleanTids

[strikke...@gmail.com]

David,
Now, it is not only nice to use, it is also a great resource for a  lot of 
the questions seen earlier in this group, how to do things like that. Now 
everyone can see, how you did it. 
We all have our favourite add-ons, they are easy to add. This was a 
minimalistic approach. For me it is a keeper.

Birthe


mandag den 22. februar 2021 kl. 20.21.24 UTC+1 skrev David Gifford:

> Thanks Diego! 
>
> Yes, that might be the best way to do the frames, titles and width between 
> tiddlers, as a theme. 
>
> This is a feature, not an edition or adaptation. So I would prefer not to 
> bundle it with other plugins, but let people add it to whatever plugin mix 
> they prefer. However, you are correct that the doubleclick to edit would 
> work especially well with tiddlers that have no titlebar. I will add a note 
> in case others might find it helpful to add to it...
>
> Blessings,
>
> David Gifford
> Mexico team leader, Mexico City
>
> *Resonate Global Mission*
> *Engaging People. Embracing Christ.*
> A Ministry of the Christian Reformed Church
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>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 12:43 PM dieg...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
>> David,
>>
>> This is lovely. I think it could even be one of the included themes in 
>> TW! 
>>
>> I would only add that for me, Danielo's "double-click-to-edit" plugin 
>> (which I have personally edited to make it triple-click-to-edit, as I kept 
>> accidentally double-clicking) would be a great addition to  this CleanTid 
>> edition/theme/view. 
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 11:29:37 AM UTC-6 David Gifford wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> My experiment last night with primordial tiddlers led to this more final 
>>> product, CleanTids.
>>>
>>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/cleantids.html
>>>
>>> Play and enjoy...
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: CleanTids

[David Gifford]

Thanks Diego!

Yes, that might be the best way to do the frames, titles and width between
tiddlers, as a theme.

This is a feature, not an edition or adaptation. So I would prefer not to
bundle it with other plugins, but let people add it to whatever plugin mix
they prefer. However, you are correct that the doubleclick to edit would
work especially well with tiddlers that have no titlebar. I will add a note
in case others might find it helpful to add to it...

Blessings,

David Gifford
Mexico team leader, Mexico City

*Resonate Global Mission*
*Engaging People. Embracing Christ.*
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On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 12:43 PM dieg...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> David,
>
> This is lovely. I think it could even be one of the included themes in TW!
>
> I would only add that for me, Danielo's "double-click-to-edit" plugin
> (which I have personally edited to make it triple-click-to-edit, as I kept
> accidentally double-clicking) would be a great addition to  this CleanTid
> edition/theme/view.
>
> Thank you!
>
> On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 11:29:37 AM UTC-6 David Gifford wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> My experiment last night with primordial tiddlers led to this more final
>> product, CleanTids.
>>
>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/cleantids.html
>>
>> Play and enjoy...
>>
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[tw5] Re: CleanTids

[dieg...@gmail.com]

David,

This is lovely. I think it could even be one of the included themes in TW! 

I would only add that for me, Danielo's "double-click-to-edit" plugin 
(which I have personally edited to make it triple-click-to-edit, as I kept 
accidentally double-clicking) would be a great addition to  this CleanTid 
edition/theme/view. 

Thank you!

On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 11:29:37 AM UTC-6 David Gifford wrote:

>
> Hi all
>
> My experiment last night with primordial tiddlers led to this more final 
> product, CleanTids.
>
> https://giffmex.org/experiments/cleantids.html
>
> Play and enjoy...
>

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