Re: [tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mohammad]

Olegh,
 The plugin, has a tiddler $:/plugins/kookma/searchwikis/ui/index-export 
generates the index
But I have not used command line! I know Josiah and Mark were working on 
Powersell and 
they may help!

--Mohammad

On Wednesday, March 4, 2020 at 10:06:04 AM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:
>
> Dear Mohammad and David, 
>
> the plugin *TW-Searchwikis* completely fits to idea of my tool *TW Farm* (
> https://protw.github.io/twfarm)! I've immediately started thinking of 
> combining these two.
>
> For this I need your advice how to generate the index data tiddler and 
> then copy/move it into another (central) wiki using command line only.
>
> Grateful in advance.
>
> Olegh Bondarenko
> https://bit.ly/oleghbond
>
>
>
>
>
> вт, 3 бер. 2020 о 21:34 Mohammad > 
> пише:
>
>> To continue this thread see
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/BFiSyOpBNHA/3E05qSTDAQAJ
>>
>> This thread resulted in Searchwikis plugin.
>>
>> --Mohammad
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Re: [tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Olegh Bondarenko]

Dear Mohammad and David,

the plugin *TW-Searchwikis* completely fits to idea of my tool *TW Farm* (
https://protw.github.io/twfarm)! I've immediately started thinking of
combining these two.

For this I need your advice how to generate the index data tiddler and then
copy/move it into another (central) wiki using command line only.

Grateful in advance.

Olegh Bondarenko
https://bit.ly/oleghbond





вт, 3 бер. 2020 о 21:34 Mohammad  пише:

> To continue this thread see
>
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/BFiSyOpBNHA/3E05qSTDAQAJ
>
> This thread resulted in Searchwikis plugin.
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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mohammad]

To continue this thread see

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/BFiSyOpBNHA/3E05qSTDAQAJ

This thread resulted in Searchwikis plugin.

--Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mohammad]

The plugin is published here

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/BFiSyOpBNHA/3E05qSTDAQAJ

On Tuesday, March 3, 2020 at 9:56:14 PM UTC+3:30, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Sounds great to me!
>
> On Tuesday, March 3, 2020 at 11:10:36 AM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Hi David,
>>  I thought to make a plugin for searchwikis and
>>
>>
>>1. add a tab automatically to AdvancedSearch
>>2. use the AdvancedSearch feature
>>3. add wiki title, url and indexing date to the indexTiddler
>>4. a flat interface
>>
>> I will push an update soon!
>>
>> Let me know if you have any other points
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 8:55:05 PM UTC+3:30, David Gifford 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks and thanks, Mohammad!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 11:22:45 AM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:

 David!

 On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 8:29:14 PM UTC+3:30, David Gifford 
 wrote:
>
> Hi Mohammad,
>
> Two comments:
>
> 1. Today is my birthday, so hearing you will work on it is a great 
> birthday present! Thanks!
>

 *Happy your birthday!!*
 Live many years with full health and happiness!
  

>
> 2. It would be great if for each file the user could have a system 
> tiddler like $:/searchwiki/filepath where to insert the URL or filepath. 
> Then have have build-and-export 'Make index' button grab that filepath 
> and 
> insert it into an index-source field. That way the updating process only 
> involves opening the file, clicking Make index > tid file, and dragging 
> the 
> created tid file into a central index file. As it is now, the user must 
> also create an index-source field manually to each created tid file, then 
> insert manually the URL or filepath into the index-source field.
>

 Good suggestion! I will try to implement and push updates and discuss 
 these then

 --Mohammad
  

>
> On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 10:43:40 AM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Hi David,
>>  Sure, I will come back to this and finalize it! Hopefully by 
>> tomorrow!
>>  I will take your comments here!
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
>> On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 8:07:03 PM UTC+3:30, David Gifford 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> At the very least, the indexes created by the 'make index' button 
>>> should have an 'index-source' field, to save that manual step, even if 
>>> the 
>>> build-and-export is not able to grab the actual file location or URL of 
>>> the 
>>> present file and place it in the field. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 10:29:36 AM UTC-6, David Gifford 
>>> wrote:



 On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 12:53:08 PM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Hi David,
>  I am working on dynamic tables in Shiraz plugin and hopefully 
> will finish soon!
>
 After that I come back to searchwikis.
>

 So did you finish the dynamic tables? Have you come back to this?  

>
> On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 7:42:05 PM UTC+3:30, David Gifford 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> This thread has grown quiet, but it feels like there are a few 
>> items pending, so I am going to dump here, for whomever might be 
>> interested:
>>
>> 1) http://kookma.searchwikis.tiddlyspot.com/, the real solution 
>> is the "Solution ii". But it says "[in progress]". What is in 
>> progress or 
>> left to be done from your perspective, Mohammad?
>>
>
> The index file needs some more fields. The search tools needs some 
> polishing like open all results from one wiki in the same tab (or at 
> least 
> this can be configurable)
> Examples and documentation are also left for last step 
>  
>
>>
>> 2) I am going to re-mention my idea of using the SiteTitle of the 
>> files searched as an alias so that the search results will not be 
>> long ugly 
>> filepaths. If Mohammad doesn't like that idea, maybe someone could 
>> at least 
>> show me how I could do it for my copy.
>>
>> I really think this is an exciting possibility for me. Not only 
>> could I use it to search my own notes, I could also put one up 
>> online, I 
>> think, for my site users to search my multiple online wikis.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[David Gifford]

Sounds great to me!

On Tuesday, March 3, 2020 at 11:10:36 AM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Hi David,
>  I thought to make a plugin for searchwikis and
>
>
>1. add a tab automatically to AdvancedSearch
>2. use the AdvancedSearch feature
>3. add wiki title, url and indexing date to the indexTiddler
>4. a flat interface
>
> I will push an update soon!
>
> Let me know if you have any other points
>
> --Mohammad
>
>
> On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 8:55:05 PM UTC+3:30, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Thanks and thanks, Mohammad!
>>
>> On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 11:22:45 AM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:
>>>
>>> David!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 8:29:14 PM UTC+3:30, David Gifford 
>>> wrote:

 Hi Mohammad,

 Two comments:

 1. Today is my birthday, so hearing you will work on it is a great 
 birthday present! Thanks!

>>>
>>> *Happy your birthday!!*
>>> Live many years with full health and happiness!
>>>  
>>>

 2. It would be great if for each file the user could have a system 
 tiddler like $:/searchwiki/filepath where to insert the URL or filepath. 
 Then have have build-and-export 'Make index' button grab that filepath and 
 insert it into an index-source field. That way the updating process only 
 involves opening the file, clicking Make index > tid file, and dragging 
 the 
 created tid file into a central index file. As it is now, the user must 
 also create an index-source field manually to each created tid file, then 
 insert manually the URL or filepath into the index-source field.

>>>
>>> Good suggestion! I will try to implement and push updates and discuss 
>>> these then
>>>
>>> --Mohammad
>>>  
>>>

 On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 10:43:40 AM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Hi David,
>  Sure, I will come back to this and finalize it! Hopefully by tomorrow!
>  I will take your comments here!
>
> --Mohammad
>
> On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 8:07:03 PM UTC+3:30, David Gifford 
> wrote:
>>
>> At the very least, the indexes created by the 'make index' button 
>> should have an 'index-source' field, to save that manual step, even if 
>> the 
>> build-and-export is not able to grab the actual file location or URL of 
>> the 
>> present file and place it in the field. 
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 10:29:36 AM UTC-6, David Gifford 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 12:53:08 PM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:

 Hi David,
  I am working on dynamic tables in Shiraz plugin and hopefully will 
 finish soon!

>>> After that I come back to searchwikis.

>>>
>>> So did you finish the dynamic tables? Have you come back to this?  
>>>

 On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 7:42:05 PM UTC+3:30, David Gifford 
 wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> This thread has grown quiet, but it feels like there are a few 
> items pending, so I am going to dump here, for whomever might be 
> interested:
>
> 1) http://kookma.searchwikis.tiddlyspot.com/, the real solution 
> is the "Solution ii". But it says "[in progress]". What is in 
> progress or 
> left to be done from your perspective, Mohammad?
>

 The index file needs some more fields. The search tools needs some 
 polishing like open all results from one wiki in the same tab (or at 
 least 
 this can be configurable)
 Examples and documentation are also left for last step 
  

>
> 2) I am going to re-mention my idea of using the SiteTitle of the 
> files searched as an alias so that the search results will not be 
> long ugly 
> filepaths. If Mohammad doesn't like that idea, maybe someone could at 
> least 
> show me how I could do it for my copy.
>
> I really think this is an exciting possibility for me. Not only 
> could I use it to search my own notes, I could also put one up 
> online, I 
> think, for my site users to search my multiple online wikis.
>


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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mohammad]

Hi David,
 I thought to make a plugin for searchwikis and


   1. add a tab automatically to AdvancedSearch
   2. use the AdvancedSearch feature
   3. add wiki title, url and indexing date to the indexTiddler
   4. a flat interface

I will push an update soon!

Let me know if you have any other points

--Mohammad


On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 8:55:05 PM UTC+3:30, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Thanks and thanks, Mohammad!
>
> On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 11:22:45 AM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> David!
>>
>> On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 8:29:14 PM UTC+3:30, David Gifford 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Mohammad,
>>>
>>> Two comments:
>>>
>>> 1. Today is my birthday, so hearing you will work on it is a great 
>>> birthday present! Thanks!
>>>
>>
>> *Happy your birthday!!*
>> Live many years with full health and happiness!
>>  
>>
>>>
>>> 2. It would be great if for each file the user could have a system 
>>> tiddler like $:/searchwiki/filepath where to insert the URL or filepath. 
>>> Then have have build-and-export 'Make index' button grab that filepath and 
>>> insert it into an index-source field. That way the updating process only 
>>> involves opening the file, clicking Make index > tid file, and dragging the 
>>> created tid file into a central index file. As it is now, the user must 
>>> also create an index-source field manually to each created tid file, then 
>>> insert manually the URL or filepath into the index-source field.
>>>
>>
>> Good suggestion! I will try to implement and push updates and discuss 
>> these then
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>  
>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 10:43:40 AM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:

 Hi David,
  Sure, I will come back to this and finalize it! Hopefully by tomorrow!
  I will take your comments here!

 --Mohammad

 On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 8:07:03 PM UTC+3:30, David Gifford 
 wrote:
>
> At the very least, the indexes created by the 'make index' button 
> should have an 'index-source' field, to save that manual step, even if 
> the 
> build-and-export is not able to grab the actual file location or URL of 
> the 
> present file and place it in the field. 
>
>
> On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 10:29:36 AM UTC-6, David Gifford 
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 12:53:08 PM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi David,
>>>  I am working on dynamic tables in Shiraz plugin and hopefully will 
>>> finish soon!
>>>
>> After that I come back to searchwikis.
>>>
>>
>> So did you finish the dynamic tables? Have you come back to this?  
>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 7:42:05 PM UTC+3:30, David Gifford 
>>> wrote:

 Hi all

 This thread has grown quiet, but it feels like there are a few 
 items pending, so I am going to dump here, for whomever might be 
 interested:

 1) http://kookma.searchwikis.tiddlyspot.com/, the real solution is 
 the "Solution ii". But it says "[in progress]". What is in progress or 
 left 
 to be done from your perspective, Mohammad?

>>>
>>> The index file needs some more fields. The search tools needs some 
>>> polishing like open all results from one wiki in the same tab (or at 
>>> least 
>>> this can be configurable)
>>> Examples and documentation are also left for last step 
>>>  
>>>

 2) I am going to re-mention my idea of using the SiteTitle of the 
 files searched as an alias so that the search results will not be long 
 ugly 
 filepaths. If Mohammad doesn't like that idea, maybe someone could at 
 least 
 show me how I could do it for my copy.

 I really think this is an exciting possibility for me. Not only 
 could I use it to search my own notes, I could also put one up online, 
 I 
 think, for my site users to search my multiple online wikis.

>>>

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[David Gifford]

¡Muchas gracias Julio!

On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 12:59:57 PM UTC-6, Julio Peña wrote:
>
> Hello David,
>
> Just read the post...Happy Birthday...wish you many more years and much 
> health!
> Felicidades hermano.
>
> all the best,
>
> Julio
>

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Julio Peña]

Hello David,

Just read the post...Happy Birthday...wish you many more years and much 
health!
Felicidades hermano.

all the best,

Julio

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[David Gifford]

Thanks and thanks, Mohammad!

On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 11:22:45 AM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:
>
> David!
>
> On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 8:29:14 PM UTC+3:30, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mohammad,
>>
>> Two comments:
>>
>> 1. Today is my birthday, so hearing you will work on it is a great 
>> birthday present! Thanks!
>>
>
> *Happy your birthday!!*
> Live many years with full health and happiness!
>  
>
>>
>> 2. It would be great if for each file the user could have a system 
>> tiddler like $:/searchwiki/filepath where to insert the URL or filepath. 
>> Then have have build-and-export 'Make index' button grab that filepath and 
>> insert it into an index-source field. That way the updating process only 
>> involves opening the file, clicking Make index > tid file, and dragging the 
>> created tid file into a central index file. As it is now, the user must 
>> also create an index-source field manually to each created tid file, then 
>> insert manually the URL or filepath into the index-source field.
>>
>
> Good suggestion! I will try to implement and push updates and discuss 
> these then
>
> --Mohammad
>  
>
>>
>> On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 10:43:40 AM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi David,
>>>  Sure, I will come back to this and finalize it! Hopefully by tomorrow!
>>>  I will take your comments here!
>>>
>>> --Mohammad
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 8:07:03 PM UTC+3:30, David Gifford 
>>> wrote:

 At the very least, the indexes created by the 'make index' button 
 should have an 'index-source' field, to save that manual step, even if the 
 build-and-export is not able to grab the actual file location or URL of 
 the 
 present file and place it in the field. 


 On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 10:29:36 AM UTC-6, David Gifford 
 wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 12:53:08 PM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Hi David,
>>  I am working on dynamic tables in Shiraz plugin and hopefully will 
>> finish soon!
>>
> After that I come back to searchwikis.
>>
>
> So did you finish the dynamic tables? Have you come back to this?  
>
>>
>> On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 7:42:05 PM UTC+3:30, David Gifford 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> This thread has grown quiet, but it feels like there are a few items 
>>> pending, so I am going to dump here, for whomever might be interested:
>>>
>>> 1) http://kookma.searchwikis.tiddlyspot.com/, the real solution is 
>>> the "Solution ii". But it says "[in progress]". What is in progress or 
>>> left 
>>> to be done from your perspective, Mohammad?
>>>
>>
>> The index file needs some more fields. The search tools needs some 
>> polishing like open all results from one wiki in the same tab (or at 
>> least 
>> this can be configurable)
>> Examples and documentation are also left for last step 
>>  
>>
>>>
>>> 2) I am going to re-mention my idea of using the SiteTitle of the 
>>> files searched as an alias so that the search results will not be long 
>>> ugly 
>>> filepaths. If Mohammad doesn't like that idea, maybe someone could at 
>>> least 
>>> show me how I could do it for my copy.
>>>
>>> I really think this is an exciting possibility for me. Not only 
>>> could I use it to search my own notes, I could also put one up online, 
>>> I 
>>> think, for my site users to search my multiple online wikis.
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mohammad]

David!

On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 8:29:14 PM UTC+3:30, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Hi Mohammad,
>
> Two comments:
>
> 1. Today is my birthday, so hearing you will work on it is a great 
> birthday present! Thanks!
>

*Happy your birthday!!*
Live many years with full health and happiness!
 

>
> 2. It would be great if for each file the user could have a system tiddler 
> like $:/searchwiki/filepath where to insert the URL or filepath. Then have 
> have build-and-export 'Make index' button grab that filepath and insert it 
> into an index-source field. That way the updating process only involves 
> opening the file, clicking Make index > tid file, and dragging the created 
> tid file into a central index file. As it is now, the user must also create 
> an index-source field manually to each created tid file, then insert 
> manually the URL or filepath into the index-source field.
>

Good suggestion! I will try to implement and push updates and discuss these 
then

--Mohammad
 

>
> On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 10:43:40 AM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Hi David,
>>  Sure, I will come back to this and finalize it! Hopefully by tomorrow!
>>  I will take your comments here!
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
>> On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 8:07:03 PM UTC+3:30, David Gifford 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> At the very least, the indexes created by the 'make index' button should 
>>> have an 'index-source' field, to save that manual step, even if the 
>>> build-and-export is not able to grab the actual file location or URL of the 
>>> present file and place it in the field. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 10:29:36 AM UTC-6, David Gifford wrote:



 On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 12:53:08 PM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Hi David,
>  I am working on dynamic tables in Shiraz plugin and hopefully will 
> finish soon!
>
 After that I come back to searchwikis.
>

 So did you finish the dynamic tables? Have you come back to this?  

>
> On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 7:42:05 PM UTC+3:30, David Gifford 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> This thread has grown quiet, but it feels like there are a few items 
>> pending, so I am going to dump here, for whomever might be interested:
>>
>> 1) http://kookma.searchwikis.tiddlyspot.com/, the real solution is 
>> the "Solution ii". But it says "[in progress]". What is in progress or 
>> left 
>> to be done from your perspective, Mohammad?
>>
>
> The index file needs some more fields. The search tools needs some 
> polishing like open all results from one wiki in the same tab (or at 
> least 
> this can be configurable)
> Examples and documentation are also left for last step 
>  
>
>>
>> 2) I am going to re-mention my idea of using the SiteTitle of the 
>> files searched as an alias so that the search results will not be long 
>> ugly 
>> filepaths. If Mohammad doesn't like that idea, maybe someone could at 
>> least 
>> show me how I could do it for my copy.
>>
>> I really think this is an exciting possibility for me. Not only could 
>> I use it to search my own notes, I could also put one up online, I 
>> think, 
>> for my site users to search my multiple online wikis.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[David Gifford]

Hi Mohammad,

Two comments:

1. Today is my birthday, so hearing you will work on it is a great birthday 
present! Thanks!

2. It would be great if for each file the user could have a system tiddler 
like $:/searchwiki/filepath where to insert the URL or filepath. Then have 
have build-and-export 'Make index' button grab that filepath and insert it 
into an index-source button. That way the updating process only involves 
opening the file, clicking Make index > tid file, and dragging the created 
tid file into a central index file. As it is now, the user must also create 
an index-source field manually to each created file, then insert manually 
the URL or filepath into the index-source field.

On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 10:43:40 AM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Hi David,
>  Sure, I will come back to this and finalize it! Hopefully by tomorrow!
>  I will take your comments here!
>
> --Mohammad
>
> On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 8:07:03 PM UTC+3:30, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> At the very least, the indexes created by the 'make index' button should 
>> have an 'index-source' field, to save that manual step, even if the 
>> build-and-export is not able to grab the actual file location or URL of the 
>> present file and place it in the field. 
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 10:29:36 AM UTC-6, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 12:53:08 PM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:

 Hi David,
  I am working on dynamic tables in Shiraz plugin and hopefully will 
 finish soon!

>>> After that I come back to searchwikis.

>>>
>>> So did you finish the dynamic tables? Have you come back to this?  
>>>

 On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 7:42:05 PM UTC+3:30, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> This thread has grown quiet, but it feels like there are a few items 
> pending, so I am going to dump here, for whomever might be interested:
>
> 1) http://kookma.searchwikis.tiddlyspot.com/, the real solution is 
> the "Solution ii". But it says "[in progress]". What is in progress or 
> left 
> to be done from your perspective, Mohammad?
>

 The index file needs some more fields. The search tools needs some 
 polishing like open all results from one wiki in the same tab (or at least 
 this can be configurable)
 Examples and documentation are also left for last step 
  

>
> 2) I am going to re-mention my idea of using the SiteTitle of the 
> files searched as an alias so that the search results will not be long 
> ugly 
> filepaths. If Mohammad doesn't like that idea, maybe someone could at 
> least 
> show me how I could do it for my copy.
>
> I really think this is an exciting possibility for me. Not only could 
> I use it to search my own notes, I could also put one up online, I think, 
> for my site users to search my multiple online wikis.
>


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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mohammad]

Hi David,
 Sure, I will come back to this and finalize it! Hopefully by tomorrow!
 I will take your comments here!

--Mohammad

On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 8:07:03 PM UTC+3:30, David Gifford wrote:
>
> At the very least, the indexes created by the 'make index' button should 
> have an 'index-source' field, to save that manual step, even if the 
> build-and-export is not able to grab the actual file location or URL of the 
> present file and place it in the field. 
>
>
> On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 10:29:36 AM UTC-6, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 12:53:08 PM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi David,
>>>  I am working on dynamic tables in Shiraz plugin and hopefully will 
>>> finish soon!
>>>
>> After that I come back to searchwikis.
>>>
>>
>> So did you finish the dynamic tables? Have you come back to this?  
>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 7:42:05 PM UTC+3:30, David Gifford wrote:

 Hi all

 This thread has grown quiet, but it feels like there are a few items 
 pending, so I am going to dump here, for whomever might be interested:

 1) http://kookma.searchwikis.tiddlyspot.com/, the real solution is the 
 "Solution ii". But it says "[in progress]". What is in progress or left to 
 be done from your perspective, Mohammad?

>>>
>>> The index file needs some more fields. The search tools needs some 
>>> polishing like open all results from one wiki in the same tab (or at least 
>>> this can be configurable)
>>> Examples and documentation are also left for last step 
>>>  
>>>

 2) I am going to re-mention my idea of using the SiteTitle of the files 
 searched as an alias so that the search results will not be long ugly 
 filepaths. If Mohammad doesn't like that idea, maybe someone could at 
 least 
 show me how I could do it for my copy.

 I really think this is an exciting possibility for me. Not only could I 
 use it to search my own notes, I could also put one up online, I think, 
 for 
 my site users to search my multiple online wikis.

>>>

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[David Gifford]

At the very least, the indexes created by the 'make index' button should 
have an 'index-source' field, to save that manual step, even if the 
build-and-export is not able to grab the actual file location or URL of the 
present file and place it in the field. 


On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 10:29:36 AM UTC-6, David Gifford wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 12:53:08 PM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Hi David,
>>  I am working on dynamic tables in Shiraz plugin and hopefully will 
>> finish soon!
>>
> After that I come back to searchwikis.
>>
>
> So did you finish the dynamic tables? Have you come back to this?  
>
>>
>> On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 7:42:05 PM UTC+3:30, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> This thread has grown quiet, but it feels like there are a few items 
>>> pending, so I am going to dump here, for whomever might be interested:
>>>
>>> 1) http://kookma.searchwikis.tiddlyspot.com/, the real solution is the 
>>> "Solution ii". But it says "[in progress]". What is in progress or left to 
>>> be done from your perspective, Mohammad?
>>>
>>
>> The index file needs some more fields. The search tools needs some 
>> polishing like open all results from one wiki in the same tab (or at least 
>> this can be configurable)
>> Examples and documentation are also left for last step 
>>  
>>
>>>
>>> 2) I am going to re-mention my idea of using the SiteTitle of the files 
>>> searched as an alias so that the search results will not be long ugly 
>>> filepaths. If Mohammad doesn't like that idea, maybe someone could at least 
>>> show me how I could do it for my copy.
>>>
>>> I really think this is an exciting possibility for me. Not only could I 
>>> use it to search my own notes, I could also put one up online, I think, for 
>>> my site users to search my multiple online wikis.
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[David Gifford]

On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 12:53:08 PM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Hi David,
>  I am working on dynamic tables in Shiraz plugin and hopefully will finish 
> soon!
>
After that I come back to searchwikis.
>

So did you finish the dynamic tables? Have you come back to this?  

>
> On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 7:42:05 PM UTC+3:30, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> This thread has grown quiet, but it feels like there are a few items 
>> pending, so I am going to dump here, for whomever might be interested:
>>
>> 1) http://kookma.searchwikis.tiddlyspot.com/, the real solution is the 
>> "Solution ii". But it says "[in progress]". What is in progress or left to 
>> be done from your perspective, Mohammad?
>>
>
> The index file needs some more fields. The search tools needs some 
> polishing like open all results from one wiki in the same tab (or at least 
> this can be configurable)
> Examples and documentation are also left for last step 
>  
>
>>
>> 2) I am going to re-mention my idea of using the SiteTitle of the files 
>> searched as an alias so that the search results will not be long ugly 
>> filepaths. If Mohammad doesn't like that idea, maybe someone could at least 
>> show me how I could do it for my copy.
>>
>> I really think this is an exciting possibility for me. Not only could I 
>> use it to search my own notes, I could also put one up online, I think, for 
>> my site users to search my multiple online wikis.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mohammad]

Hi David,
 I am working on dynamic tables in Shiraz plugin and hopefully will finish 
soon!
After that I come back to searchwikis.

On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 7:42:05 PM UTC+3:30, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> This thread has grown quiet, but it feels like there are a few items 
> pending, so I am going to dump here, for whomever might be interested:
>
> 1) http://kookma.searchwikis.tiddlyspot.com/, the real solution is the 
> "Solution ii". But it says "[in progress]". What is in progress or left to 
> be done from your perspective, Mohammad?
>

The index file needs some more fields. The search tools needs some 
polishing like open all results from one wiki in the same tab (or at least 
this can be configurable)
Examples and documentation are also left for last step 
 

>
> 2) I am going to re-mention my idea of using the SiteTitle of the files 
> searched as an alias so that the search results will not be long ugly 
> filepaths. If Mohammad doesn't like that idea, maybe someone could at least 
> show me how I could do it for my copy.
>
> I really think this is an exciting possibility for me. Not only could I 
> use it to search my own notes, I could also put one up online, I think, for 
> my site users to search my multiple online wikis.
>

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[David Gifford]

Oh, and one addendum more:

Check out https://giffmex.org/wiki/, the busqueda tab, to see this plugin, 
slightly tweaked, in action for multiple online files in my website!

On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 10:12:05 AM UTC-6, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> This thread has grown quiet, but it feels like there are a few items 
> pending, so I am going to dump here, for whomever might be interested:
>
> 1) http://kookma.searchwikis.tiddlyspot.com/, the real solution is the 
> "Solution ii". But it says "[in progress]". What is in progress or left to 
> be done from your perspective, Mohammad?
>
> 2) I am going to re-mention my idea of using the SiteTitle of the files 
> searched as an alias so that the search results will not be long ugly 
> filepaths. If Mohammad doesn't like that idea, maybe someone could at least 
> show me how I could do it for my copy.
>
> I really think this is an exciting possibility for me. Not only could I 
> use it to search my own notes, I could also put one up online, I think, for 
> my site users to search my multiple online wikis.
>

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[David Gifford]

Addendum:

Another item that would enhance this would be for the search results to NOT 
show the "Search results in..." line if there are no results. 

On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 10:12:05 AM UTC-6, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> This thread has grown quiet, but it feels like there are a few items 
> pending, so I am going to dump here, for whomever might be interested:
>
> 1) http://kookma.searchwikis.tiddlyspot.com/, the real solution is the 
> "Solution ii". But it says "[in progress]". What is in progress or left to 
> be done from your perspective, Mohammad?
>
> 2) I am going to re-mention my idea of using the SiteTitle of the files 
> searched as an alias so that the search results will not be long ugly 
> filepaths. If Mohammad doesn't like that idea, maybe someone could at least 
> show me how I could do it for my copy.
>
> I really think this is an exciting possibility for me. Not only could I 
> use it to search my own notes, I could also put one up online, I think, for 
> my site users to search my multiple online wikis.
>

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[David Gifford]

Hi all

This thread has grown quiet, but it feels like there are a few items 
pending, so I am going to dump here, for whomever might be interested:

1) http://kookma.searchwikis.tiddlyspot.com/, the real solution is the 
"Solution ii". But it says "[in progress]". What is in progress or left to 
be done from your perspective, Mohammad?

2) I am going to re-mention my idea of using the SiteTitle of the files 
searched as an alias so that the search results will not be long ugly 
filepaths. If Mohammad doesn't like that idea, maybe someone could at least 
show me how I could do it for my copy.

I really think this is an exciting possibility for me. Not only could I use 
it to search my own notes, I could also put one up online, I think, for my 
site users to search my multiple online wikis.

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

My guess ...

You may need to uri encode 
 the titles. The 
browser can handle most everything, even if it's not uri-encoded, but 
colons are special.

It might be worth it even to only uri encode the titles containing colons, 
since the encoded links are hard to read.

On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 10:10:38 PM UTC-8, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> A problem encountered is making link for tiddler title have : in their 
> name.
>
> Look at 
> http://kookma.searchwikis.tiddlyspot.com/#Search%20Indexes%20of%20External%20Wikis%20II
>
> and click on Hidden Setting: ViewTemplate and EditTemplate
>
> The second item found for *Search results in: https://tiddlywiki.com 
> *
> It seems Tiddlywiki makes links differently. There is no issue for \, /, 
> space, $, ., ...
>
> --Mohammad
>
>
>
> On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 9:50:23 PM UTC+3:30, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> Here's code that will create an index for the current wiki. It uses the 
>> wiki title as the basis for the index name. It saves title, caption, and 
>> tags.
>>
>> The next step would be to modify the search code so that it knows to look 
>> in the index files.
>>
>> \define indexvalue() $(title)$|$(caption)$|$(tags)$
>> <$vars indextitle={{{ [{$:/SiteTitle}addprefix[index-for-]] }}}>
>> <$button>Make Index
>> <$list filter="[all[tiddlers]!is[system]]">
>> <$vars title={{!!title}} caption={{!!caption}} tags={{!!tags}} >
>> <$action-setfield $tiddler=<> $index=<> 
>> $value=<>/> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 9:14:46 PM UTC-8, Mohammad wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>- Tiddlywiki is great at small to moderate number of tiddlers
>>>- It is easier to keep few subjects in a Tiddlywiki, for example a 
>>>student can have one wiki per course
>>>   - I see Tiddlywiki like a MsWord file but with tons of features 
>>>   and suprior flexibility
>>>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a webpage, but simple to create, customize 
>>>   and use
>>>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a database
>>>- RESULT
>>>   - People using Tiddlywiki have several separate Tiddlywiki
>>>- ISSUE
>>>   - Searching and finding something gets difficult and makes 
>>>   headache
>>>
>>>
>>> One solution
>>>
>>>- create a master Tiddywiki or a main wiki
>>>- use a dataTiddler per wiki to index few fields per tiddler like 
>>>tiddler titles, caption and keywords field
>>>- put all these indexes in the master Tiddlywiki
>>>- Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes and 
>>>return a link to the correct wiki
>>>
>>> Howto
>>>
>>>- a simple script to create or update the index in the wiki
>>>- export the updated index to master wiki
>>>
>>> I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use 
>>> single html Tiddlywiki.
>>>
>>>
>>>1. What do you think?
>>>2. Have you seen such solution before?
>>>3. Can you share any tools, idea?
>>>
>>> --Mohammad
>>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[oleghbond]

Ilya's idea looks complementary to TW farm approach (
https://protw.github.io/twfarm/). Every wiki of a wiki-farm collection can 
be presented as external read-only JSON file in the central wiki (catalog 
or directory). Every wiki must have a single typical tiddler with fields 
containing information necessary for identification and web-location of 
each wiki.

Of course the central wiki (directory) needs a plugin for reading, 
searching and revealing structured information from those external JSON 
files. 

IMHO BobEXE suits very well for this role.

вівторок, 4 лютого 2020 р. 05:26:38 UTC+2 користувач ILYA написав:
>
> # Another approach
>
> Every wiki would have tiddlers.json. This JSON could be any of (I think we 
> need to support all 4 methods):
> - a file served by regular web server (github.io or apache or caddy or 
> whatever you want)
> - served by bob
> - served by nodejs tw web server
> - regular tiddler
>
> The file would be in the same format as expected by lazy loading mechanism 
> present in TW5. IRC the JSON structure is a list where every item of the 
> list is a map which includes all the fields of the tiddler except text. 
> I.e. it would have tags, fields, title, caption and so on.
>
> I think the main wiki could have links to all locations where subject wiki 
> are located. Here is how it might work from user perspective.
>
> 1. We can have special tag to mark dependent wiki sources. Something like 
> $:/plugins/multiwiki/Source
> 2. We tag new tiddler (let's call this kind of tiddler SourceWiki) with 
> tag $:/plugins/multiwiki/Source. This tiddler would have _canonical_uri 
> which points to tiddlers.json
> 3. We would have a filter which finds all tiddlers with that tag. 
> 4. I could extend split-web plugin to support
> - multiple tiddlers.json sources
> - use SourceWiki tiddler name as a namespace. I.e. as prefix for each 
> imported tiddler.
> 5. In this case all external tiddlers would appear to be local. We would 
> need to modify view template to:
> - provide visual indication that it is external read only tiddler
> - add visual element to open external tiddler in new browser window or tab 
> (in the context of subject wiki)
>
> The reason I think this approach is viable is because it uses existent TW5 
> lazy loading mechanism. It also makes external tiddlers first class 
> citizens (the only difference is they are read only).
>
> Best regards,
> ILYA
>
> >>
> >> - Tiddlywiki is great at small to moderate number of tiddlers
> >> - It is easier to keep few subjects in a Tiddlywiki, for example a
> >> student can have one wiki per course
> >> - I see Tiddlywiki like a MsWord file but with tons of features
> >and 
> >> suprior flexibility
> >> - I see Tiddlywiki as a webpage, but simple to create,
> >customize 
> >> and use
> >> - I see Tiddlywiki as a database
> >> - RESULT
> >> - People using Tiddlywiki have several separate Tiddlywiki
> >> - ISSUE
> >> - Searching and finding something gets difficult and makes
> >headache
> >> 
> >>
> >> One solution
> >>
> >> - create a master Tiddywiki or a main wiki
> >> - use a dataTiddler per wiki to index few fields per tiddler like 
> >> tiddler titles, caption and keywords field
> >> - put all these indexes in the master Tiddlywiki
> >> - Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes and
> >
> >> return a link to the correct wiki
> >>
> >> Howto
> >>
> >> - a simple script to create or update the index in the wiki
> >> - export the updated index to master wiki
> >>
> >> I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use
> >single 
> >> html Tiddlywiki.
> >>
> >>
> >> 1. What do you think?
> >> 2. Have you seen such solution before?
> >> 3. Can you share any tools, idea?
> >>
> >> --Mohammad
> >>
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[ILYA]

# Another approach

Every wiki would have tiddlers.json. This JSON could be any of (I think we need 
to support all 4 methods):
- a file served by regular web server (github.io or apache or caddy or whatever 
you want)
- served by bob
- served by nodejs tw web server
- regular tiddler

The file would be in the same format as expected by lazy loading mechanism 
present in TW5. IRC the JSON structure is a list where every item of the list 
is a map which includes all the fields of the tiddler except text. I.e. it 
would have tags, fields, title, caption and so on.

I think the main wiki could have links to all locations where subject wiki are 
located. Here is how it might work from user perspective.

1. We can have special tag to mark dependent wiki sources. Something like 
$:/plugins/multiwiki/Source
2. We tag new tiddler (let's call this kind of tiddler SourceWiki) with tag 
$:/plugins/multiwiki/Source. This tiddler would have _canonical_uri which 
points to tiddlers.json
3. We would have a filter which finds all tiddlers with that tag. 
4. I could extend split-web plugin to support
- multiple tiddlers.json sources
- use SourceWiki tiddler name as a namespace. I.e. as prefix for each imported 
tiddler.
5. In this case all external tiddlers would appear to be local. We would need 
to modify view template to:
- provide visual indication that it is external read only tiddler
- add visual element to open external tiddler in new browser window or tab (in 
the context of subject wiki)

The reason I think this approach is viable is because it uses existent TW5 lazy 
loading mechanism. It also makes external tiddlers first class citizens (the 
only difference is they are read only).

Best regards,
ILYA

>>
>>- Tiddlywiki is great at small to moderate number of tiddlers
>>- It is easier to keep few subjects in a Tiddlywiki, for example a
>>student can have one wiki per course
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki like a MsWord file but with tons of features
>and 
>>   suprior flexibility
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a webpage, but simple to create,
>customize 
>>   and use
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a database
>>- RESULT
>>   - People using Tiddlywiki have several separate Tiddlywiki
>>- ISSUE
>>   - Searching and finding something gets difficult and makes
>headache
>>
>>
>> One solution
>>
>>- create a master Tiddywiki or a main wiki
>>- use a dataTiddler per wiki to index few fields per tiddler like 
>>tiddler titles, caption and keywords field
>>- put all these indexes in the master Tiddlywiki
>>- Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes and
>
>>return a link to the correct wiki
>>
>> Howto
>>
>>- a simple script to create or update the index in the wiki
>>- export the updated index to master wiki
>>
>> I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use
>single 
>> html Tiddlywiki.
>>
>>
>>1. What do you think?
>>2. Have you seen such solution before?
>>3. Can you share any tools, idea?
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[ILYA]

# Another approach

Every wiki would have tiddlers.json. This JSON could be any of (I think we need 
to support all 4 methods):
- a file served by regular web server (github.io or apache or caddy or whatever 
you want)
- served by bob
- served by nodejs tw web server
- regular tiddler

The file would be in the same format as expected by lazy loading mechanism 
present in TW5. IRC the JSON structure is a list where every item of the list 
is a map which includes all the fields of the tiddler except text. I.e. it 
would have tags, fields, title, caption and so on.

I think the main wiki could have links to all locations where subject wiki are 
located. Here is how it might work from user perspective.

1. We can have special tag to mark dependent wiki sources. Something like 
$:/plugins/multiwiki/Source
2. We tag new tiddler (let's call this kind of tiddler SourceWiki) with tag 
$:/plugins/multiwiki/Source. This tiddler would have _canonical_uri which 
points to tiddlers.json
3. We would have a filter which finds all tiddlers with that tag. 
4. I could extend split-web plugin to support
- multiple tiddlers.json sources
- use SourceWiki tiddler name as a namespace. I.e. as prefix for each imported 
tiddler.
5. In this case all external tiddlers would appear to be local. We would need 
to modify view template to:
- provide visual indication that it is external read only tiddler
- add visual element to open external tiddler in new browser window or tab (in 
the context of subject wiki)

The reason I think this approach is viable is because it uses existent TW5 lazy 
loading mechanism. It also makes external tiddlers first class citizens (the 
only difference is they are read only).

Best regards,
ILYA


Tiddlywiki is great at small to moderate number of tiddlers

It is easier to keep few subjects in a Tiddlywiki, for example a student can 
have one wiki per course

I see Tiddlywiki like a MsWord file but with tons of features and suprior 
flexibility

I see Tiddlywiki as a webpage, but simple to create, customize and use

I see Tiddlywiki as a database

RESULT

People using Tiddlywiki have several separate Tiddlywiki

ISSUE

Searching and finding something gets difficult and makes headache


One solution

create a master Tiddywiki or a main wiki

use a dataTiddler per wiki to index few fields per tiddler like tiddler titles, 
caption and keywords field

put all these indexes in the master Tiddlywiki

Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes and return a link 
to the correct wiki

Howto

a simple script to create or update the index in the wiki

export the updated index to master wiki

I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use single html 
Tiddlywiki.


What do you think?

Have you seen such solution before?

Can you share any tools, idea?

--Mohammad

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On 28 January 2020 05:13:01 GMT-08:00, David Gifford  wrote:
>When you guys get this made, with buttons and more detailed
>explanations on 
>how to do it, let me know, I would be interested in using this. I have
>so 
>many failed attempts at 'one-file-for-everything' TiddlyWikis, each
>with 
>hidden/lost information. This could help me round up my lost sheep...
>
>On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 11:14:46 PM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>
>>- Tiddlywiki is great at small to moderate number of tiddlers
>>- It is easier to keep few subjects in a Tiddlywiki, for example a
>
>>student can have one wiki per course
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki like a MsWord file but with tons of features
>and 
>>   suprior flexibility
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a webpage, but simple to create,
>customize 
>>   and use
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a database
>>- RESULT
>>   - People using Tiddlywiki have several separate Tiddlywiki
>>- ISSUE
>>   - Searching and finding something gets difficult and makes
>headache
>>
>>
>> One solution
>>
>>- create a master Tiddywiki or a main wiki
>>- use a dataTiddler per wiki to index few fields per tiddler like 
>>tiddler titles, caption and keywords field
>>- put all these indexes in the master Tiddlywiki
>>- Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes and
>
>>return a link to the correct wiki
>>
>> Howto
>>
>>- a simple script to create or update the index in the wiki
>>- export the updated index to master wiki
>>
>> I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use
>single 
>> html Tiddlywiki.
>>
>>
>>1. What do you think?
>>2. Have you seen such solution before?
>>3. Can you share any tools, idea?
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Thank you David!
Sounds good to me.



Best wishes
Mohammad


On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 5:52 PM David Gifford  wrote:

> I added both the TW5 Farm Technique and the Kookma SearchWiki in the
> toolmap, under a new category, "Multiple TiddlyWikis, connecting and
> integrating"
>
> https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM
>
> Let me know if you think there are other categories in which it would be
> important to include them.
>
> On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 7:37:54 AM UTC-6, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Yes of course, I will put both the Farm and your indexing thing in the
>> Toolmap in a few moments.
>>
>> On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 10:23:57 PM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Olegh,
>>>  Many thanks!
>>>
>>> I will add a link in TW-Scripts to this.
>>>
>>> @David
>>> This worth to be listed in Tiddlywiki Toolmap.
>>>
>>> --Mohammad
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 11:11:35 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:

 As I promised, I translated my documentation for TW-farm into English.
 So, please find it where it was before:

- https://protw.github.io/twfarm/

 

 Olegh

 пʼятниця, 31 січня 2020 р. 22:51:51 UTC+2 користувач Mohammad написав:
>
> Olegh,
>  For documentation purpose and future reference, is there any readme
> or tutorial help to setup such Tiddly farm?
>
> --Mohammad
>
> On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 5:30:33 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:
>>
>> Dear tiddlymates,
>>
>> With similar thoughts I started my project TW Farm bearing in mind
>> this idea from the very beginning and giving an appropriate name. I have
>> still been successfully using it for developing my TW farm. The main
>> limitation of my realization is absence of cross searching between 
>> separate
>> wikis. So, at this point I totally support Mohammed in raising the proper
>> task.
>>
>> The Master TW of my farm is at https://protw.github.io/, the JS code
>> is located at https://github.com/protw/twfarm and its user
>> description is at https://protw.github.io/twfarm/
>> 
>>  (though
>> in Ukrainian).
>>
>> My JS knowledge level and limited time are not sufficient for
>> developing the idea to full extent. But I believe that it is an issue of
>> very soon time.
>>
>> As a basis of the TW farm on my computer I use BobEXE TW server. For
>> publication at the Web of my TW farm I use git instruments and web
>> resources together with my JS code (https://github.com/protw/twfarm).
>>
>> My vision that BobEXE could be a very good native platform for
>> developing the idea once more expressed by Mohammed.
>>
>> Olegh
>>
>> вівторок, 28 січня 2020 р. 07:14:46 UTC+2 користувач Mohammad написав:
>>>
>>>
>>>- Tiddlywiki is great at small to moderate number of tiddlers
>>>- It is easier to keep few subjects in a Tiddlywiki, for example
>>>a student can have one wiki per course
>>>   - I see Tiddlywiki like a MsWord file but with tons of
>>>   features and suprior flexibility
>>>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a webpage, but simple to create,
>>>   customize and use
>>>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a database
>>>- RESULT
>>>   - People using Tiddlywiki have several separate Tiddlywiki
>>>- ISSUE
>>>   - Searching and finding something gets difficult and makes
>>>   headache
>>>
>>>
>>> One solution
>>>
>>>- create a master Tiddywiki or a main wiki
>>>- use a dataTiddler per wiki to index few fields per tiddler
>>>like tiddler titles, caption and keywords field
>>>- put all these indexes in the master Tiddlywiki
>>>- Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes
>>>and return a link to the correct wiki
>>>
>>> Howto
>>>
>>>- a simple script to create or update the index in the wiki
>>>- export the updated index to master wiki
>>>
>>> I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use
>>> single html Tiddlywiki.
>>>
>>>
>>>1. What do you think?
>>>2. Have you seen such solution before?
>>>3. Can you share any tools, idea?
>>>
>>> --Mohammad
>>>
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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[David Gifford]

I added both the TW5 Farm Technique and the Kookma SearchWiki in the 
toolmap, under a new category, "Multiple TiddlyWikis, connecting and 
integrating"

https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM

Let me know if you think there are other categories in which it would be 
important to include them.

On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 7:37:54 AM UTC-6, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Yes of course, I will put both the Farm and your indexing thing in the 
> Toolmap in a few moments.
>
> On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 10:23:57 PM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Hi Olegh,
>>  Many thanks!
>>
>> I will add a link in TW-Scripts to this.
>>
>> @David
>> This worth to be listed in Tiddlywiki Toolmap.
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
>> On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 11:11:35 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:
>>>
>>> As I promised, I translated my documentation for TW-farm into English. 
>>> So, please find it where it was before: 
>>>
>>>- https://protw.github.io/twfarm/ 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Olegh
>>>
>>> пʼятниця, 31 січня 2020 р. 22:51:51 UTC+2 користувач Mohammad написав:

 Olegh,
  For documentation purpose and future reference, is there any readme or 
 tutorial help to setup such Tiddly farm?
  
 --Mohammad

 On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 5:30:33 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:
>
> Dear tiddlymates,
>
> With similar thoughts I started my project TW Farm bearing in mind 
> this idea from the very beginning and giving an appropriate name. I have 
> still been successfully using it for developing my TW farm. The main 
> limitation of my realization is absence of cross searching between 
> separate 
> wikis. So, at this point I totally support Mohammed in raising the proper 
> task.
>
> The Master TW of my farm is at https://protw.github.io/, the JS code 
> is located at https://github.com/protw/twfarm and its user 
> description is at https://protw.github.io/twfarm/ 
> 
>  (though 
> in Ukrainian).
>
> My JS knowledge level and limited time are not sufficient for 
> developing the idea to full extent. But I believe that it is an issue of 
> very soon time.
>
> As a basis of the TW farm on my computer I use BobEXE TW server. For 
> publication at the Web of my TW farm I use git instruments and web 
> resources together with my JS code (https://github.com/protw/twfarm).
>
> My vision that BobEXE could be a very good native platform for 
> developing the idea once more expressed by Mohammed.
>
> Olegh
>
> вівторок, 28 січня 2020 р. 07:14:46 UTC+2 користувач Mohammad написав:
>>
>>
>>- Tiddlywiki is great at small to moderate number of tiddlers
>>- It is easier to keep few subjects in a Tiddlywiki, for example 
>>a student can have one wiki per course
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki like a MsWord file but with tons of 
>>   features and suprior flexibility
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a webpage, but simple to create, 
>>   customize and use
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a database
>>- RESULT
>>   - People using Tiddlywiki have several separate Tiddlywiki
>>- ISSUE
>>   - Searching and finding something gets difficult and makes 
>>   headache
>>
>>
>> One solution
>>
>>- create a master Tiddywiki or a main wiki
>>- use a dataTiddler per wiki to index few fields per tiddler like 
>>tiddler titles, caption and keywords field
>>- put all these indexes in the master Tiddlywiki
>>- Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes 
>>and return a link to the correct wiki
>>
>> Howto
>>
>>- a simple script to create or update the index in the wiki
>>- export the updated index to master wiki
>>
>> I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use 
>> single html Tiddlywiki.
>>
>>
>>1. What do you think?
>>2. Have you seen such solution before?
>>3. Can you share any tools, idea?
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[David Gifford]

Yes of course, I will put both the Farm and your indexing thing in the 
Toolmap in a few moments.

On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 10:23:57 PM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Hi Olegh,
>  Many thanks!
>
> I will add a link in TW-Scripts to this.
>
> @David
> This worth to be listed in Tiddlywiki Toolmap.
>
> --Mohammad
>
> On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 11:11:35 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:
>>
>> As I promised, I translated my documentation for TW-farm into English. 
>> So, please find it where it was before: 
>>
>>- https://protw.github.io/twfarm/ 
>>
>> 
>>
>> Olegh
>>
>> пʼятниця, 31 січня 2020 р. 22:51:51 UTC+2 користувач Mohammad написав:
>>>
>>> Olegh,
>>>  For documentation purpose and future reference, is there any readme or 
>>> tutorial help to setup such Tiddly farm?
>>>  
>>> --Mohammad
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 5:30:33 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:

 Dear tiddlymates,

 With similar thoughts I started my project TW Farm bearing in mind this 
 idea from the very beginning and giving an appropriate name. I have still 
 been successfully using it for developing my TW farm. The main limitation 
 of my realization is absence of cross searching between separate wikis. 
 So, 
 at this point I totally support Mohammed in raising the proper task.

 The Master TW of my farm is at https://protw.github.io/, the JS code 
 is located at https://github.com/protw/twfarm and its user description 
 is at https://protw.github.io/twfarm/ 
 
  (though 
 in Ukrainian).

 My JS knowledge level and limited time are not sufficient for 
 developing the idea to full extent. But I believe that it is an issue of 
 very soon time.

 As a basis of the TW farm on my computer I use BobEXE TW server. For 
 publication at the Web of my TW farm I use git instruments and web 
 resources together with my JS code (https://github.com/protw/twfarm).

 My vision that BobEXE could be a very good native platform for 
 developing the idea once more expressed by Mohammed.

 Olegh

 вівторок, 28 січня 2020 р. 07:14:46 UTC+2 користувач Mohammad написав:
>
>
>- Tiddlywiki is great at small to moderate number of tiddlers
>- It is easier to keep few subjects in a Tiddlywiki, for example a 
>student can have one wiki per course
>   - I see Tiddlywiki like a MsWord file but with tons of features 
>   and suprior flexibility
>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a webpage, but simple to create, 
>   customize and use
>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a database
>- RESULT
>   - People using Tiddlywiki have several separate Tiddlywiki
>- ISSUE
>   - Searching and finding something gets difficult and makes 
>   headache
>
>
> One solution
>
>- create a master Tiddywiki or a main wiki
>- use a dataTiddler per wiki to index few fields per tiddler like 
>tiddler titles, caption and keywords field
>- put all these indexes in the master Tiddlywiki
>- Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes and 
>return a link to the correct wiki
>
> Howto
>
>- a simple script to create or update the index in the wiki
>- export the updated index to master wiki
>
> I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use 
> single html Tiddlywiki.
>
>
>1. What do you think?
>2. Have you seen such solution before?
>3. Can you share any tools, idea?
>
> --Mohammad
>


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Re: [tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mohammad]

Works fine!
Thank you Olegh!

--Mohammad

On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 3:46:20 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:
>
> @Mohammad
>
> I've changed fixed story/fluid sidebar to fluid story/fixed sidebar. 
> Please check now how it works for you and let me know.
>
> понеділок, 3 лютого 2020 р. 13:01:58 UTC+2 користувач Mohammad написав:
>>
>> What I see on my monitor is attached as an image.
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
>> On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 2:02:09 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:
>>>
>>> @Mohammad
>>>
>>> Not clear yet.
>>>
>>> I made the following settings in the section *Theme tweaks*:
>>>
>>>- Story right: 1170px
>>>- Story width: 1170px
>>>- Tiddler width: 1086px
>>>- Sidebar breakpoint: 1060px
>>>
>>> Please tell me what I shall do instead.
>>>
>>> Olegh Bondarenko
>>> https://bit.ly/oleghbond
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> пн, 3 лют. 2020 о 11:58 Mohammad  пише:
>>>
 Hi Olegh,
  Thanks. It is fine now!
 The second comment was regarding sidebar size, on my desktop I see a 
 small sidebar and I have to scroll left and right to work with sidebar!
 I think your settings for tiddler, story river and sidebar width are 
 non consistent.
 I changes Story layout to fixed story-fluis sidebar and it works fine 
 on my desktop.

 --Mohammad

 On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 1:14:46 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:
>
> @Mohammad
> Thanks for your comments. Points 1 & 3 are done, please check. Point 2 
> is not clear. Would you please explain it to me in a bit more details.
> Olegh Bondarenko
> https://bit.ly/oleghbond
>
>
>
>
>
> пн, 3 лют. 2020 о 09:33 Mohammad  пише:
>
>> @Olegh
>>
>>1. look at 
>>
>> https://protw.github.io/twfarm/#Organization%20of%20work%20with%20wiki-farm%20folders
>>  
>>as Mark said, it seems << alert-info should changes to <> the 
>>alert does not work now
>>2. I changed the sidebar layout to Fluid story, as it does not 
>>show correctly the sidebar right now
>>3. I noticed also in 
>>https://protw.github.io/twfarm/#What%20and%20how%20TW%20Farm%20solves 
>>there is undefined widget cuases by extra space in calling << 
>> $macrocall
>>
>> Any way thank you for this great tutorial and wonderful methodology 
>> you created to host multiple wiki on the internet!
>> I am wondering why it is listed in tiddlywiki.com community tools 
>> and plugins.
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[oleghbond]

@Mohammad

I've changed fixed story/fluid sidebar to fluid story/fixed sidebar. Please 
check now how it works for you and let me know.

понеділок, 3 лютого 2020 р. 13:01:58 UTC+2 користувач Mohammad написав:
>
> What I see on my monitor is attached as an image.
>
> --Mohammad
>
> On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 2:02:09 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:
>>
>> @Mohammad
>>
>> Not clear yet.
>>
>> I made the following settings in the section *Theme tweaks*:
>>
>>- Story right: 1170px
>>- Story width: 1170px
>>- Tiddler width: 1086px
>>- Sidebar breakpoint: 1060px
>>
>> Please tell me what I shall do instead.
>>
>> Olegh Bondarenko
>> https://bit.ly/oleghbond
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> пн, 3 лют. 2020 о 11:58 Mohammad  пише:
>>
>>> Hi Olegh,
>>>  Thanks. It is fine now!
>>> The second comment was regarding sidebar size, on my desktop I see a 
>>> small sidebar and I have to scroll left and right to work with sidebar!
>>> I think your settings for tiddler, story river and sidebar width are non 
>>> consistent.
>>> I changes Story layout to fixed story-fluis sidebar and it works fine on 
>>> my desktop.
>>>
>>> --Mohammad
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 1:14:46 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:

 @Mohammad
 Thanks for your comments. Points 1 & 3 are done, please check. Point 2 
 is not clear. Would you please explain it to me in a bit more details.
 Olegh Bondarenko
 https://bit.ly/oleghbond





 пн, 3 лют. 2020 о 09:33 Mohammad  пише:

> @Olegh
>
>1. look at 
>
> https://protw.github.io/twfarm/#Organization%20of%20work%20with%20wiki-farm%20folders
>  
>as Mark said, it seems << alert-info should changes to < the 
>alert does not work now
>2. I changed the sidebar layout to Fluid story, as it does not 
>show correctly the sidebar right now
>3. I noticed also in 
>https://protw.github.io/twfarm/#What%20and%20how%20TW%20Farm%20solves 
>there is undefined widget cuases by extra space in calling << 
> $macrocall
>
> Any way thank you for this great tutorial and wonderful methodology 
> you created to host multiple wiki on the internet!
> I am wondering why it is listed in tiddlywiki.com community tools and 
> plugins.
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Re: [tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mohammad]

What I see on my monitor is attached as an image.

--Mohammad

On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 2:02:09 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:
>
> @Mohammad
>
> Not clear yet.
>
> I made the following settings in the section *Theme tweaks*:
>
>- Story right: 1170px
>- Story width: 1170px
>- Tiddler width: 1086px
>- Sidebar breakpoint: 1060px
>
> Please tell me what I shall do instead.
>
> Olegh Bondarenko
> https://bit.ly/oleghbond
>
>
>
>
>
> пн, 3 лют. 2020 о 11:58 Mohammad > 
> пише:
>
>> Hi Olegh,
>>  Thanks. It is fine now!
>> The second comment was regarding sidebar size, on my desktop I see a 
>> small sidebar and I have to scroll left and right to work with sidebar!
>> I think your settings for tiddler, story river and sidebar width are non 
>> consistent.
>> I changes Story layout to fixed story-fluis sidebar and it works fine on 
>> my desktop.
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
>> On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 1:14:46 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:
>>>
>>> @Mohammad
>>> Thanks for your comments. Points 1 & 3 are done, please check. Point 2 
>>> is not clear. Would you please explain it to me in a bit more details.
>>> Olegh Bondarenko
>>> https://bit.ly/oleghbond
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> пн, 3 лют. 2020 о 09:33 Mohammad  пише:
>>>
 @Olegh

1. look at 

 https://protw.github.io/twfarm/#Organization%20of%20work%20with%20wiki-farm%20folders
  
as Mark said, it seems << alert-info should changes to <>>>alert does not work now
2. I changed the sidebar layout to Fluid story, as it does not show 
correctly the sidebar right now
3. I noticed also in 
https://protw.github.io/twfarm/#What%20and%20how%20TW%20Farm%20solves 
there is undefined widget cuases by extra space in calling << $macrocall

 Any way thank you for this great tutorial and wonderful methodology you 
 created to host multiple wiki on the internet!
 I am wondering why it is listed in tiddlywiki.com community tools and 
 plugins.

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Re: [tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Olegh Bondarenko]

@Mohammad

Not clear yet.

I made the following settings in the section *Theme tweaks*:

   - Story right: 1170px
   - Story width: 1170px
   - Tiddler width: 1086px
   - Sidebar breakpoint: 1060px

Please tell me what I shall do instead.

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пн, 3 лют. 2020 о 11:58 Mohammad  пише:

> Hi Olegh,
>  Thanks. It is fine now!
> The second comment was regarding sidebar size, on my desktop I see a small
> sidebar and I have to scroll left and right to work with sidebar!
> I think your settings for tiddler, story river and sidebar width are non
> consistent.
> I changes Story layout to fixed story-fluis sidebar and it works fine on
> my desktop.
>
> --Mohammad
>
> On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 1:14:46 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:
>>
>> @Mohammad
>> Thanks for your comments. Points 1 & 3 are done, please check. Point 2 is
>> not clear. Would you please explain it to me in a bit more details.
>> Olegh Bondarenko
>> https://bit.ly/oleghbond
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> пн, 3 лют. 2020 о 09:33 Mohammad  пише:
>>
>>> @Olegh
>>>
>>>1. look at
>>>
>>> https://protw.github.io/twfarm/#Organization%20of%20work%20with%20wiki-farm%20folders
>>>as Mark said, it seems << alert-info should changes to <>>alert does not work now
>>>2. I changed the sidebar layout to Fluid story, as it does not show
>>>correctly the sidebar right now
>>>3. I noticed also in
>>>https://protw.github.io/twfarm/#What%20and%20how%20TW%20Farm%20solves
>>>there is undefined widget cuases by extra space in calling << $macrocall
>>>
>>> Any way thank you for this great tutorial and wonderful methodology you
>>> created to host multiple wiki on the internet!
>>> I am wondering why it is listed in tiddlywiki.com community tools and
>>> plugins.
>>>
>>> --Mohammad
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mohammad]

Hi Olegh,
 Thanks. It is fine now!
The second comment was regarding sidebar size, on my desktop I see a small 
sidebar and I have to scroll left and right to work with sidebar!
I think your settings for tiddler, story river and sidebar width are non 
consistent.
I changes Story layout to fixed story-fluis sidebar and it works fine on my 
desktop.

--Mohammad

On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 1:14:46 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:
>
> @Mohammad
> Thanks for your comments. Points 1 & 3 are done, please check. Point 2 is 
> not clear. Would you please explain it to me in a bit more details.
> Olegh Bondarenko
> https://bit.ly/oleghbond
>
>
>
>
>
> пн, 3 лют. 2020 о 09:33 Mohammad > 
> пише:
>
>> @Olegh
>>
>>1. look at 
>>
>> https://protw.github.io/twfarm/#Organization%20of%20work%20with%20wiki-farm%20folders
>>  
>>as Mark said, it seems << alert-info should changes to <>alert does not work now
>>2. I changed the sidebar layout to Fluid story, as it does not show 
>>correctly the sidebar right now
>>3. I noticed also in 
>>https://protw.github.io/twfarm/#What%20and%20how%20TW%20Farm%20solves 
>>there is undefined widget cuases by extra space in calling << $macrocall
>>
>> Any way thank you for this great tutorial and wonderful methodology you 
>> created to host multiple wiki on the internet!
>> I am wondering why it is listed in tiddlywiki.com community tools and 
>> plugins.
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[oleghbond]

Hello, Mohammad,

Thanks to you and your wonderful Shiraz - I included it in the Template 
wiki for my wiki-farm. Please have a look at https://protw.github.io/templ.

понеділок, 3 лютого 2020 р. 06:23:57 UTC+2 користувач Mohammad написав:
>
> Hi Olegh,
>  Many thanks!
>
> I will add a link in TW-Scripts to this.
>
> @David
> This worth to be listed in Tiddlywiki Toolmap.
>
> --Mohammad
>
> On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 11:11:35 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:
>>
>> As I promised, I translated my documentation for TW-farm into English. 
>> So, please find it where it was before: 
>>
>>- https://protw.github.io/twfarm/ 
>>
>> 
>>
>> Olegh
>>
>> пʼятниця, 31 січня 2020 р. 22:51:51 UTC+2 користувач Mohammad написав:
>>>
>>> Olegh,
>>>  For documentation purpose and future reference, is there any readme or 
>>> tutorial help to setup such Tiddly farm?
>>>  
>>> --Mohammad
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 5:30:33 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:

 Dear tiddlymates,

 With similar thoughts I started my project TW Farm bearing in mind this 
 idea from the very beginning and giving an appropriate name. I have still 
 been successfully using it for developing my TW farm. The main limitation 
 of my realization is absence of cross searching between separate wikis. 
 So, 
 at this point I totally support Mohammed in raising the proper task.

 The Master TW of my farm is at https://protw.github.io/, the JS code 
 is located at https://github.com/protw/twfarm and its user description 
 is at https://protw.github.io/twfarm/ 
 
  (though 
 in Ukrainian).

 My JS knowledge level and limited time are not sufficient for 
 developing the idea to full extent. But I believe that it is an issue of 
 very soon time.

 As a basis of the TW farm on my computer I use BobEXE TW server. For 
 publication at the Web of my TW farm I use git instruments and web 
 resources together with my JS code (https://github.com/protw/twfarm).

 My vision that BobEXE could be a very good native platform for 
 developing the idea once more expressed by Mohammed.

 Olegh

 вівторок, 28 січня 2020 р. 07:14:46 UTC+2 користувач Mohammad написав:
>
>
>- Tiddlywiki is great at small to moderate number of tiddlers
>- It is easier to keep few subjects in a Tiddlywiki, for example a 
>student can have one wiki per course
>   - I see Tiddlywiki like a MsWord file but with tons of features 
>   and suprior flexibility
>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a webpage, but simple to create, 
>   customize and use
>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a database
>- RESULT
>   - People using Tiddlywiki have several separate Tiddlywiki
>- ISSUE
>   - Searching and finding something gets difficult and makes 
>   headache
>
>
> One solution
>
>- create a master Tiddywiki or a main wiki
>- use a dataTiddler per wiki to index few fields per tiddler like 
>tiddler titles, caption and keywords field
>- put all these indexes in the master Tiddlywiki
>- Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes and 
>return a link to the correct wiki
>
> Howto
>
>- a simple script to create or update the index in the wiki
>- export the updated index to master wiki
>
> I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use 
> single html Tiddlywiki.
>
>
>1. What do you think?
>2. Have you seen such solution before?
>3. Can you share any tools, idea?
>
> --Mohammad
>


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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[oleghbond]

You are absolutely correct - as a result of the translation extra spaces 
were added. I deleted them, now it's fine. Thanks

понеділок, 3 лютого 2020 р. 06:43:13 UTC+2 користувач Mark S. написав:
>
> It looks like the translation may have changed < alert-info (note the space), making it 
> not render correctly?
>
> On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 11:41:35 AM UTC-8, oleghbond wrote:
>>
>> As I promised, I translated my documentation for TW-farm into English. 
>> So, please find it where it was before: 
>>
>>- https://protw.github.io/twfarm/ 
>>
>> 
>>
>> Olegh
>>
>> пʼятниця, 31 січня 2020 р. 22:51:51 UTC+2 користувач Mohammad написав:
>>>
>>> Olegh,
>>>  For documentation purpose and future reference, is there any readme or 
>>> tutorial help to setup such Tiddly farm?
>>>  
>>> --Mohammad
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 5:30:33 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:

 Dear tiddlymates,

 With similar thoughts I started my project TW Farm bearing in mind this 
 idea from the very beginning and giving an appropriate name. I have still 
 been successfully using it for developing my TW farm. The main limitation 
 of my realization is absence of cross searching between separate wikis. 
 So, 
 at this point I totally support Mohammed in raising the proper task.

 The Master TW of my farm is at https://protw.github.io/, the JS code 
 is located at https://github.com/protw/twfarm and its user description 
 is at https://protw.github.io/twfarm/ 
 
  (though 
 in Ukrainian).

 My JS knowledge level and limited time are not sufficient for 
 developing the idea to full extent. But I believe that it is an issue of 
 very soon time.

 As a basis of the TW farm on my computer I use BobEXE TW server. For 
 publication at the Web of my TW farm I use git instruments and web 
 resources together with my JS code (https://github.com/protw/twfarm).

 My vision that BobEXE could be a very good native platform for 
 developing the idea once more expressed by Mohammed.

 Olegh

 вівторок, 28 січня 2020 р. 07:14:46 UTC+2 користувач Mohammad написав:
>
>
>- Tiddlywiki is great at small to moderate number of tiddlers
>- It is easier to keep few subjects in a Tiddlywiki, for example a 
>student can have one wiki per course
>   - I see Tiddlywiki like a MsWord file but with tons of features 
>   and suprior flexibility
>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a webpage, but simple to create, 
>   customize and use
>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a database
>- RESULT
>   - People using Tiddlywiki have several separate Tiddlywiki
>- ISSUE
>   - Searching and finding something gets difficult and makes 
>   headache
>
>
> One solution
>
>- create a master Tiddywiki or a main wiki
>- use a dataTiddler per wiki to index few fields per tiddler like 
>tiddler titles, caption and keywords field
>- put all these indexes in the master Tiddlywiki
>- Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes and 
>return a link to the correct wiki
>
> Howto
>
>- a simple script to create or update the index in the wiki
>- export the updated index to master wiki
>
> I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use 
> single html Tiddlywiki.
>
>
>1. What do you think?
>2. Have you seen such solution before?
>3. Can you share any tools, idea?
>
> --Mohammad
>


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Re: [tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Olegh Bondarenko]

@Mohammad
Thanks for your comments. Points 1 & 3 are done, please check. Point 2 is
not clear. Would you please explain it to me in a bit more details.
Olegh Bondarenko
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пн, 3 лют. 2020 о 09:33 Mohammad  пише:

> @Olegh
>
>1. look at
>
> https://protw.github.io/twfarm/#Organization%20of%20work%20with%20wiki-farm%20folders
>as Mark said, it seems << alert-info should changes to 2. I changed the sidebar layout to Fluid story, as it does not show
>correctly the sidebar right now
>3. I noticed also in
>https://protw.github.io/twfarm/#What%20and%20how%20TW%20Farm%20solves
>there is undefined widget cuases by extra space in calling << $macrocall
>
> Any way thank you for this great tutorial and wonderful methodology you
> created to host multiple wiki on the internet!
> I am wondering why it is listed in tiddlywiki.com community tools and
> plugins.
>
> --Mohammad
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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mohammad]

@Olegh

   1. look 
   at 
https://protw.github.io/twfarm/#Organization%20of%20work%20with%20wiki-farm%20folders
 
   as Mark said, it seems << alert-info should changes to 

[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mohammad]

Further input,
 The strategy I used in 
https://kookma.github.io/TW-Scripts//#Search%20in%20%20Official%20Tiddlywiki%20Site
is to open tiddlywiki.com and search again in opened page, but I think if 
we use this strategy here, like we do search two times.

--Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mohammad]

Mark,

A problem encountered is making link for tiddler title have : in their name.

Look at 
http://kookma.searchwikis.tiddlyspot.com/#Search%20Indexes%20of%20External%20Wikis%20II

and click on Hidden Setting: ViewTemplate and EditTemplate

The second item found for *Search results in: https://tiddlywiki.com*
It seems Tiddlywiki makes links differently. There is no issue for \, /, 
space, $, ., ...

--Mohammad



On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 9:50:23 PM UTC+3:30, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Here's code that will create an index for the current wiki. It uses the 
> wiki title as the basis for the index name. It saves title, caption, and 
> tags.
>
> The next step would be to modify the search code so that it knows to look 
> in the index files.
>
> \define indexvalue() $(title)$|$(caption)$|$(tags)$
> <$vars indextitle={{{ [{$:/SiteTitle}addprefix[index-for-]] }}}>
> <$button>Make Index
> <$list filter="[all[tiddlers]!is[system]]">
> <$vars title={{!!title}} caption={{!!caption}} tags={{!!tags}} >
> <$action-setfield $tiddler=<> $index=<> 
> $value=<>/> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 9:14:46 PM UTC-8, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>
>>- Tiddlywiki is great at small to moderate number of tiddlers
>>- It is easier to keep few subjects in a Tiddlywiki, for example a 
>>student can have one wiki per course
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki like a MsWord file but with tons of features 
>>   and suprior flexibility
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a webpage, but simple to create, customize 
>>   and use
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a database
>>- RESULT
>>   - People using Tiddlywiki have several separate Tiddlywiki
>>- ISSUE
>>   - Searching and finding something gets difficult and makes headache
>>
>>
>> One solution
>>
>>- create a master Tiddywiki or a main wiki
>>- use a dataTiddler per wiki to index few fields per tiddler like 
>>tiddler titles, caption and keywords field
>>- put all these indexes in the master Tiddlywiki
>>- Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes and 
>>return a link to the correct wiki
>>
>> Howto
>>
>>- a simple script to create or update the index in the wiki
>>- export the updated index to master wiki
>>
>> I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use 
>> single html Tiddlywiki.
>>
>>
>>1. What do you think?
>>2. Have you seen such solution before?
>>3. Can you share any tools, idea?
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

It looks like the translation may have changed <
> As I promised, I translated my documentation for TW-farm into English. So, 
> please find it where it was before: 
>
>- https://protw.github.io/twfarm/ 
>
> 
>
> Olegh
>
> пʼятниця, 31 січня 2020 р. 22:51:51 UTC+2 користувач Mohammad написав:
>>
>> Olegh,
>>  For documentation purpose and future reference, is there any readme or 
>> tutorial help to setup such Tiddly farm?
>>  
>> --Mohammad
>>
>> On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 5:30:33 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear tiddlymates,
>>>
>>> With similar thoughts I started my project TW Farm bearing in mind this 
>>> idea from the very beginning and giving an appropriate name. I have still 
>>> been successfully using it for developing my TW farm. The main limitation 
>>> of my realization is absence of cross searching between separate wikis. So, 
>>> at this point I totally support Mohammed in raising the proper task.
>>>
>>> The Master TW of my farm is at https://protw.github.io/, the JS code is 
>>> located at https://github.com/protw/twfarm and its user description is 
>>> at https://protw.github.io/twfarm/ 
>>> 
>>>  (though 
>>> in Ukrainian).
>>>
>>> My JS knowledge level and limited time are not sufficient for developing 
>>> the idea to full extent. But I believe that it is an issue of very soon 
>>> time.
>>>
>>> As a basis of the TW farm on my computer I use BobEXE TW server. For 
>>> publication at the Web of my TW farm I use git instruments and web 
>>> resources together with my JS code (https://github.com/protw/twfarm).
>>>
>>> My vision that BobEXE could be a very good native platform for 
>>> developing the idea once more expressed by Mohammed.
>>>
>>> Olegh
>>>
>>> вівторок, 28 січня 2020 р. 07:14:46 UTC+2 користувач Mohammad написав:


- Tiddlywiki is great at small to moderate number of tiddlers
- It is easier to keep few subjects in a Tiddlywiki, for example a 
student can have one wiki per course
   - I see Tiddlywiki like a MsWord file but with tons of features 
   and suprior flexibility
   - I see Tiddlywiki as a webpage, but simple to create, customize 
   and use
   - I see Tiddlywiki as a database
- RESULT
   - People using Tiddlywiki have several separate Tiddlywiki
- ISSUE
   - Searching and finding something gets difficult and makes 
   headache


 One solution

- create a master Tiddywiki or a main wiki
- use a dataTiddler per wiki to index few fields per tiddler like 
tiddler titles, caption and keywords field
- put all these indexes in the master Tiddlywiki
- Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes and 
return a link to the correct wiki

 Howto

- a simple script to create or update the index in the wiki
- export the updated index to master wiki

 I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use 
 single html Tiddlywiki.


1. What do you think?
2. Have you seen such solution before?
3. Can you share any tools, idea?

 --Mohammad

>>>

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mohammad]

Hi Olegh,
 Many thanks!

I will add a link in TW-Scripts to this.

@David
This worth to be listed in Tiddlywiki Toolmap.

--Mohammad

On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 11:11:35 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:
>
> As I promised, I translated my documentation for TW-farm into English. So, 
> please find it where it was before: 
>
>- https://protw.github.io/twfarm/ 
>
> 
>
> Olegh
>
> пʼятниця, 31 січня 2020 р. 22:51:51 UTC+2 користувач Mohammad написав:
>>
>> Olegh,
>>  For documentation purpose and future reference, is there any readme or 
>> tutorial help to setup such Tiddly farm?
>>  
>> --Mohammad
>>
>> On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 5:30:33 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear tiddlymates,
>>>
>>> With similar thoughts I started my project TW Farm bearing in mind this 
>>> idea from the very beginning and giving an appropriate name. I have still 
>>> been successfully using it for developing my TW farm. The main limitation 
>>> of my realization is absence of cross searching between separate wikis. So, 
>>> at this point I totally support Mohammed in raising the proper task.
>>>
>>> The Master TW of my farm is at https://protw.github.io/, the JS code is 
>>> located at https://github.com/protw/twfarm and its user description is 
>>> at https://protw.github.io/twfarm/ 
>>> 
>>>  (though 
>>> in Ukrainian).
>>>
>>> My JS knowledge level and limited time are not sufficient for developing 
>>> the idea to full extent. But I believe that it is an issue of very soon 
>>> time.
>>>
>>> As a basis of the TW farm on my computer I use BobEXE TW server. For 
>>> publication at the Web of my TW farm I use git instruments and web 
>>> resources together with my JS code (https://github.com/protw/twfarm).
>>>
>>> My vision that BobEXE could be a very good native platform for 
>>> developing the idea once more expressed by Mohammed.
>>>
>>> Olegh
>>>
>>> вівторок, 28 січня 2020 р. 07:14:46 UTC+2 користувач Mohammad написав:


- Tiddlywiki is great at small to moderate number of tiddlers
- It is easier to keep few subjects in a Tiddlywiki, for example a 
student can have one wiki per course
   - I see Tiddlywiki like a MsWord file but with tons of features 
   and suprior flexibility
   - I see Tiddlywiki as a webpage, but simple to create, customize 
   and use
   - I see Tiddlywiki as a database
- RESULT
   - People using Tiddlywiki have several separate Tiddlywiki
- ISSUE
   - Searching and finding something gets difficult and makes 
   headache


 One solution

- create a master Tiddywiki or a main wiki
- use a dataTiddler per wiki to index few fields per tiddler like 
tiddler titles, caption and keywords field
- put all these indexes in the master Tiddlywiki
- Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes and 
return a link to the correct wiki

 Howto

- a simple script to create or update the index in the wiki
- export the updated index to master wiki

 I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use 
 single html Tiddlywiki.


1. What do you think?
2. Have you seen such solution before?
3. Can you share any tools, idea?

 --Mohammad

>>>

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[oleghbond]

As I promised, I translated my documentation for TW-farm into English. So, 
please find it where it was before: 

   - https://protw.github.io/twfarm/ 
   


Olegh

пʼятниця, 31 січня 2020 р. 22:51:51 UTC+2 користувач Mohammad написав:
>
> Olegh,
>  For documentation purpose and future reference, is there any readme or 
> tutorial help to setup such Tiddly farm?
>  
> --Mohammad
>
> On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 5:30:33 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:
>>
>> Dear tiddlymates,
>>
>> With similar thoughts I started my project TW Farm bearing in mind this 
>> idea from the very beginning and giving an appropriate name. I have still 
>> been successfully using it for developing my TW farm. The main limitation 
>> of my realization is absence of cross searching between separate wikis. So, 
>> at this point I totally support Mohammed in raising the proper task.
>>
>> The Master TW of my farm is at https://protw.github.io/, the JS code is 
>> located at https://github.com/protw/twfarm and its user description is 
>> at https://protw.github.io/twfarm/ 
>> 
>>  (though 
>> in Ukrainian).
>>
>> My JS knowledge level and limited time are not sufficient for developing 
>> the idea to full extent. But I believe that it is an issue of very soon 
>> time.
>>
>> As a basis of the TW farm on my computer I use BobEXE TW server. For 
>> publication at the Web of my TW farm I use git instruments and web 
>> resources together with my JS code (https://github.com/protw/twfarm).
>>
>> My vision that BobEXE could be a very good native platform for developing 
>> the idea once more expressed by Mohammed.
>>
>> Olegh
>>
>> вівторок, 28 січня 2020 р. 07:14:46 UTC+2 користувач Mohammad написав:
>>>
>>>
>>>- Tiddlywiki is great at small to moderate number of tiddlers
>>>- It is easier to keep few subjects in a Tiddlywiki, for example a 
>>>student can have one wiki per course
>>>   - I see Tiddlywiki like a MsWord file but with tons of features 
>>>   and suprior flexibility
>>>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a webpage, but simple to create, customize 
>>>   and use
>>>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a database
>>>- RESULT
>>>   - People using Tiddlywiki have several separate Tiddlywiki
>>>- ISSUE
>>>   - Searching and finding something gets difficult and makes 
>>>   headache
>>>
>>>
>>> One solution
>>>
>>>- create a master Tiddywiki or a main wiki
>>>- use a dataTiddler per wiki to index few fields per tiddler like 
>>>tiddler titles, caption and keywords field
>>>- put all these indexes in the master Tiddlywiki
>>>- Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes and 
>>>return a link to the correct wiki
>>>
>>> Howto
>>>
>>>- a simple script to create or update the index in the wiki
>>>- export the updated index to master wiki
>>>
>>> I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use 
>>> single html Tiddlywiki.
>>>
>>>
>>>1. What do you think?
>>>2. Have you seen such solution before?
>>>3. Can you share any tools, idea?
>>>
>>> --Mohammad
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[David Gifford]

Ideas for improving the search results:

1) Change  to  in file links to reduce vertical overhead of header 
text
2) Change the file link so the file sitetitle stands as an alias for the 
file URL. As it stands, it renders really long links to filepaths for me.

I did the first change in my own file, but am not sure how to do the second.

On Saturday, February 1, 2020 at 2:28:14 PM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Many thanks all.
>
> @Mark
>  I created a second solution implement your idea of getting Url from a 
> field. The code still needs some polishing.
>
> @Mat
> I add the multi index search.
>
> @David
> I corrected the wiki to address your comments.
>
> I think:
> The indexer shall be corrected to reflect the changes
> The searchbox should improved
> The number of output should be controlled some way
>
> and documentation shall be added.
>
> Latest update: http://kookma.searchwikis.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> --Mohammad
>
> p.s: Solution resulted from collaboration of several interested people are 
> the best solution :-)
>
>
> On Saturday, February 1, 2020 at 10:45:27 PM UTC+3:30, Mat wrote:
>>
>> Mohammad, nice proof of concept.
>>
>> David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> 4) So, the limitation to this is only being able to search the tiddlers 
>>> of one external file? 
>>>
>>
>> I don't see why it would be limited to only one external wiki. maybe that 
>> is a limitation in Mohammads proof-of-concept demo, but there should be no 
>> theoretical such limitation. IMO the severe limitation is rather that 
>> changes in the external file are obviously not reflected in the index. 
>>
>> <:-)
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[David Gifford]

Woowww

This has been a good week for me. And for TiddlyWiki.

On Saturday, February 1, 2020 at 2:28:14 PM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Many thanks all.
>
> @Mark
>  I created a second solution implement your idea of getting Url from a 
> field. The code still needs some polishing.
>
> @Mat
> I add the multi index search.
>
> @David
> I corrected the wiki to address your comments.
>
> I think:
> The indexer shall be corrected to reflect the changes
> The searchbox should improved
> The number of output should be controlled some way
>
> and documentation shall be added.
>
> Latest update: http://kookma.searchwikis.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> --Mohammad
>
> p.s: Solution resulted from collaboration of several interested people are 
> the best solution :-)
>
>
> On Saturday, February 1, 2020 at 10:45:27 PM UTC+3:30, Mat wrote:
>>
>> Mohammad, nice proof of concept.
>>
>> David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> 4) So, the limitation to this is only being able to search the tiddlers 
>>> of one external file? 
>>>
>>
>> I don't see why it would be limited to only one external wiki. maybe that 
>> is a limitation in Mohammads proof-of-concept demo, but there should be no 
>> theoretical such limitation. IMO the severe limitation is rather that 
>> changes in the external file are obviously not reflected in the index. 
>>
>> <:-)
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mat]

Hm, I now vaguely recall @pmario made something with extra search 
fields it was relatively recently, I think... 'or am I dreaming'?

Now I did make searchwords  which does 
*not* have extra search fields but it does present extra results in the 
search results list. It's not this you're referring to, are you Mark?

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mohammad]

Many thanks all.

@Mark
 I created a second solution implement your idea of getting Url from a 
field. The code still needs some polishing.

@Mat
I add the multi index search.

@David
I corrected the wiki to address your comments.

I think:
The indexer shall be corrected to reflect the changes
The searchbox should improved
The number of output should be controlled some way

and documentation shall be added.

Latest update: http://kookma.searchwikis.tiddlyspot.com/

--Mohammad

p.s: Solution resulted from collaboration of several interested people are 
the best solution :-)


On Saturday, February 1, 2020 at 10:45:27 PM UTC+3:30, Mat wrote:
>
> Mohammad, nice proof of concept.
>
> David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> 4) So, the limitation to this is only being able to search the tiddlers 
>> of one external file? 
>>
>
> I don't see why it would be limited to only one external wiki. maybe that 
> is a limitation in Mohammads proof-of-concept demo, but there should be no 
> theoretical such limitation. IMO the severe limitation is rather that 
> changes in the external file are obviously not reflected in the index. 
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mat]

haha!

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Well, if it wasn't you, it *should* have been ;-) 

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mat]

Mark S. wrote:
>
> Finally, I think Mat has some example code where he added additional 
> search fields to the standard search box. I would like the
> index searches to eventually end up there, sort of down below the existing 
> search hits. That way searching other 
> wikis becomes "almost" as transparent as a regular wiki search. Or am I 
> dreaming?
>

I would think you are dreaming (tho not 100% sure). I think I've come with 
proposals and perhaps included images but not actually implemented 
something that involves modifying the search engine. Maybe it was someone 
else?

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Hi Mohammad,

That's looking really nice!

My idea is that each index tiddler will have a field like index-source 
where the base path to the source wiki is found.

Then in the search engine, it would look at ALL tiddlers that have 
index-source field, and it would use that instead
of "data-tid". That way you could search through more than one 
index-tiddler. This may require the user to
adjust the index field depending on the location of the target wiki file. A 
small price to pay to be able to search 
anywhere. Maybe.

I would not worry about presenting the tags and caption fields -- it's 
enough to know that some field contains the searched-for value.

Finally, I think Mat has some example code where he added additional search 
fields to the standard search box. I would like the
index searches to eventually end up there, sort of down below the existing 
search hits. That way searching other 
wikis becomes "almost" as transparent as a regular wiki search. Or am I 
dreaming?

Once people begin to use an indexer, it might be good to provide for a 
"keywords" field, that people can complete
with terms that may not actually occur in the original text.

Thanks!

On Saturday, February 1, 2020 at 8:12:18 AM UTC-8, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Hi Mark,
>  I pushed a proof of concept of index external wikis and search from 
> another wiki on tiddlyspot
>
> see: http://kookma.searchwikis.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> I also developed a searchbox to search in title, caption and tags of 
> indexed wiki.
>
> As an example, I have indexed tiddlywiki.com and one can search and work 
> with created links.
>
> Please have a look and let me know how we can improve it.
>
>
> @Mat
> I have corrected the Mark code based on your comments. I also removed """ 
> from indexvalue macro.
>
> --Mohammad
>

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[David Gifford]

I could live with the severe limitation you mention. Just schedule a weekly 
updating and drag-and-drop of the index tids of the branch files you edited 
during the week (would require keeping a log). Small price to pay for 
having the ability to search a gazillion tiddlers from a central 
TiddlyWiki. But my point 4 would be the missing ingredient.

On Saturday, February 1, 2020 at 1:15:27 PM UTC-6, Mat wrote:
>
> Mohammad, nice proof of concept.
>
> David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> 4) So, the limitation to this is only being able to search the tiddlers 
>> of one external file? 
>>
>
> I don't see why it would be limited to only one external wiki. maybe that 
> is a limitation in Mohammads proof-of-concept demo, but there should be no 
> theoretical such limitation. IMO the severe limitation is rather that 
> changes in the external file are obviously not reflected in the index. 
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mat]

Mohammad, nice proof of concept.

David Gifford wrote:
>
> 4) So, the limitation to this is only being able to search the tiddlers of 
> one external file? 
>

I don't see why it would be limited to only one external wiki. maybe that 
is a limitation in Mohammads proof-of-concept demo, but there should be no 
theoretical such limitation. IMO the severe limitation is rather that 
changes in the external file are obviously not reflected in the index. 

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[David Gifford]

Hi Mohammad

Wow, this is great! I can see myself using this a lot. Observations:

1) Instructions step 3 should specify to save it as a .tid file.

2) Instructions step 5.1 should say that you also need to change the link 
in wikiUrl

3) The CSS needs to change for the search results. I am doing the search in 
a file from empty.html and the resulting links are an illegible bright 
yellow.

4) So, the limitation to this is only being able to search one external 
tiddler? I tried changing dataTid to "[tag[indexes]]" (which is how I 
tagged the indexes imported from the two files I wanted to index and 
search), but it gave me an error message. I think this tool would be more 
helpful if there were a way to search the indexes of multiple other 
'branch' files from one 'trunk' file.

Thanks again for this. 

On Saturday, February 1, 2020 at 10:12:18 AM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Hi Mark,
>  I pushed a proof of concept of index external wikis and search from 
> another wiki on tiddlyspot
>
> see: http://kookma.searchwikis.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> I also developed a searchbox to search in title, caption and tags of 
> indexed wiki.
>
> As an example, I have indexed tiddlywiki.com and one can search and work 
> with created links.
>
> Please have a look and let me know how we can improve it.
>
>
> @Mat
> I have corrected the Mark code based on your comments. I also removed """ 
> from indexvalue macro.
>
> --Mohammad
>

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mohammad]

Hi Mark,
 I pushed a proof of concept of index external wikis and search from 
another wiki on tiddlyspot

see: http://kookma.searchwikis.tiddlyspot.com/

I also developed a searchbox to search in title, caption and tags of 
indexed wiki.

As an example, I have indexed tiddlywiki.com and one can search and work 
with created links.

Please have a look and let me know how we can improve it.


@Mat
I have corrected the Mark code based on your comments. I also removed """ 
from indexvalue macro.

--Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mohammad]

Hi Mark,
 I added an export button so, one can index and export!

\define indexvalue() """$(title)$|$(caption)$|$(tags)$"""
<$wikify name=indextitle text={{{ [{$:/SiteTitle}addprefix[index-for-]] }}} 
select="0">


<$button>Make Index
<$list filter="[all[tiddlers]!is[system]]">
<$vars title={{!!title}} caption={{!!caption}} tags={{!!tags}} >
<$action-setfield $tiddler=<> $index=<> 
$value=<>/>


<$wikify name=tiddlywiki text={{{ 
[{$:/SiteTitle}addsuffix[.html]][{$:/config/SaveWikiButton/Filename}]+[!is[blank]last[]]
 
}}} >
<$action-setfield $tiddler=<> $field="tiddlywiki" 
$value=<>/>


<$button>Export
<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-download-file" $param=<> 
filename={{{[addsuffix[.tid]]}}}/>




A tiddler containing above buttons are attached. download drag and drop 
into your wiki.

--Mohammad

On Saturday, February 1, 2020 at 3:30:01 AM UTC+3:30, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Be sure to try the newer version I posted.
>
> Is "ROAM-y" online somewhere?
>
> I assume that if it's breaking that it has to do with one of your titles. 
> Which is amazing, considering that none of the 1300 tiddlers on 
> tiddlywiki.com broke it.
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 3:43:57 PM UTC-8, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 5:32:46 PM UTC-6, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>>  Here's an improved version which does a better job constructing the 
>>> output tiddler so it doesn't insert square brackets.
>>> It also attempts to guess at the working file name of the current 
>>> tiddler and use that for a field "tiddlywiki", based on the only two fields 
>>> that
>>> are available for that function. These guesses could be wrong. The user 
>>> can make sure they're "right" by manually setting
>>> the tiddler value "$:/config/SaveWikiButton/Filename" to the file name 
>>> of that tiddler.
>>>
>>>
>>> \define indexvalue() """$(title)$|$(caption)$|$(tags)$"""
>>> <$wikify name=indextitle text={{{ [{$:/SiteTitle}addprefix[index-for-]] 
>>> }}} select="0">
>>> <$button>Make Index
>>> <$list filter="[all[tiddlers]!is[system]]">
>>> <$vars title={{!!title}} caption={{!!caption}} tags={{!!tags}} >
>>> <$action-setfield $tiddler=<> $index=<> 
>>> $value=<>/>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> <$wikify name=tiddlywiki text={{{ 
>>> [{$:/SiteTitle}addsuffix[.html]][{$:/config/SaveWikiButton/Filename}]+[!is[blank]last[]]
>>>  
>>> }}} >
>>> <$action-setfield $tiddler=<> $field="tiddlywiki" 
>>> $value=<>/>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mohammad]

David,

before saving the tiddler hosts Mark code, look at the lines
<$action-setfield $tiddler=<> $index=<> $value=<
>/
>


and correct it as
<$action-setfield $tiddler=<> $index=<> $value=<
>/>


Mohammad


On Saturday, February 1, 2020 at 3:13:57 AM UTC+3:30, David Gifford wrote:
>
>
>
> On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 5:32:46 PM UTC-6, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>  Here's an improved version which does a better job constructing the 
>> output tiddler so it doesn't insert square brackets.
>> It also attempts to guess at the working file name of the current tiddler 
>> and use that for a field "tiddlywiki", based on the only two fields that
>> are available for that function. These guesses could be wrong. The user 
>> can make sure they're "right" by manually setting
>> the tiddler value "$:/config/SaveWikiButton/Filename" to the file name of 
>> that tiddler.
>>
>>
>> \define indexvalue() """$(title)$|$(caption)$|$(tags)$"""
>> <$wikify name=indextitle text={{{ [{$:/SiteTitle}addprefix[index-for-]] 
>> }}} select="0">
>> <$button>Make Index
>> <$list filter="[all[tiddlers]!is[system]]">
>> <$vars title={{!!title}} caption={{!!caption}} tags={{!!tags}} >
>> <$action-setfield $tiddler=<> $index=<> 
>> $value=<>/>
>> 
>> 
>> <$wikify name=tiddlywiki text={{{ 
>> [{$:/SiteTitle}addsuffix[.html]][{$:/config/SaveWikiButton/Filename}]+[!is[blank]last[]]
>>  
>> }}} >
>> <$action-setfield $tiddler=<> $field="tiddlywiki" 
>> $value=<>/>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mat]

BTW, Mark, that is just a really slick way to make an index.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mat]

further, when I do copy-paste of Marks thing, I find that this line is 
split up:

>
> ...
> <$action-setfield $tiddler=<> $index=<> 
> $value=<>/
> >
>

...which causes a bug. Make sure that last angle bracket is where it should 
be so to get only a button showing.

<:-) 

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mat]

Mark S. wrote:
>
>
> \define indexvalue() """$(title)$|$(caption)$|$(tags)$"""
> <$wikify name=indextitle text={{{ [{$:/SiteTitle}addprefix[index-for-]] 
> }}} select="0">
> ...
>

Detail: that last select="0" should be removed.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Be sure to try the newer version I posted.

Is "ROAM-y" online somewhere?

I assume that if it's breaking that it has to do with one of your titles. 
Which is amazing, considering that none of the 1300 tiddlers on 
tiddlywiki.com broke it.

Thanks!

On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 3:43:57 PM UTC-8, David Gifford wrote:
>
>
>
> On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 5:32:46 PM UTC-6, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>  Here's an improved version which does a better job constructing the 
>> output tiddler so it doesn't insert square brackets.
>> It also attempts to guess at the working file name of the current tiddler 
>> and use that for a field "tiddlywiki", based on the only two fields that
>> are available for that function. These guesses could be wrong. The user 
>> can make sure they're "right" by manually setting
>> the tiddler value "$:/config/SaveWikiButton/Filename" to the file name of 
>> that tiddler.
>>
>>
>> \define indexvalue() """$(title)$|$(caption)$|$(tags)$"""
>> <$wikify name=indextitle text={{{ [{$:/SiteTitle}addprefix[index-for-]] 
>> }}} select="0">
>> <$button>Make Index
>> <$list filter="[all[tiddlers]!is[system]]">
>> <$vars title={{!!title}} caption={{!!caption}} tags={{!!tags}} >
>> <$action-setfield $tiddler=<> $index=<> 
>> $value=<>/>
>> 
>> 
>> <$wikify name=tiddlywiki text={{{ 
>> [{$:/SiteTitle}addsuffix[.html]][{$:/config/SaveWikiButton/Filename}]+[!is[blank]last[]]
>>  
>> }}} >
>> <$action-setfield $tiddler=<> $field="tiddlywiki" 
>> $value=<>/>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

It should pop right up under the "recent" tab. 

On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 1:56:07 PM UTC-8, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Where does this save to? I don't see a new tiddler in the wiki, nor a new 
> file in the same folder.
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

 Here's an improved version which does a better job constructing the output 
tiddler so it doesn't insert square brackets.
It also attempts to guess at the working file name of the current tiddler 
and use that for a field "tiddlywiki", based on the only two fields that
are available for that function. These guesses could be wrong. The user can 
make sure they're "right" by manually setting
the tiddler value "$:/config/SaveWikiButton/Filename" to the file name of 
that tiddler.


\define indexvalue() """$(title)$|$(caption)$|$(tags)$"""
<$wikify name=indextitle text={{{ [{$:/SiteTitle}addprefix[index-for-]] }}} 
select="0">
<$button>Make Index
<$list filter="[all[tiddlers]!is[system]]">
<$vars title={{!!title}} caption={{!!caption}} tags={{!!tags}} >
<$action-setfield $tiddler=<> $index=<> 
$value=<>/>


<$wikify name=tiddlywiki text={{{ 
[{$:/SiteTitle}addsuffix[.html]][{$:/config/SaveWikiButton/Filename}]+[!is[blank]last[]]
 
}}} >
<$action-setfield $tiddler=<> $field="tiddlywiki" 
$value=<>/>





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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[David Gifford]

Where does this save to? I don't see a new tiddler in the wiki, nor a new 
file in the same folder.

On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 12:20:23 PM UTC-6, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Here's code that will create an index for the current wiki. It uses the 
> wiki title as the basis for the index name. It saves title, caption, and 
> tags.
>
> The next step would be to modify the search code so that it knows to look 
> in the index files.
>
> \define indexvalue() $(title)$|$(caption)$|$(tags)$
> <$vars indextitle={{{ [{$:/SiteTitle}addprefix[index-for-]] }}}>
> <$button>Make Index
> <$list filter="[all[tiddlers]!is[system]]">
> <$vars title={{!!title}} caption={{!!caption}} tags={{!!tags}} >
> <$action-setfield $tiddler=<> $index=<> 
> $value=<>/> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 9:14:46 PM UTC-8, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>
>>- Tiddlywiki is great at small to moderate number of tiddlers
>>- It is easier to keep few subjects in a Tiddlywiki, for example a 
>>student can have one wiki per course
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki like a MsWord file but with tons of features 
>>   and suprior flexibility
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a webpage, but simple to create, customize 
>>   and use
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a database
>>- RESULT
>>   - People using Tiddlywiki have several separate Tiddlywiki
>>- ISSUE
>>   - Searching and finding something gets difficult and makes headache
>>
>>
>> One solution
>>
>>- create a master Tiddywiki or a main wiki
>>- use a dataTiddler per wiki to index few fields per tiddler like 
>>tiddler titles, caption and keywords field
>>- put all these indexes in the master Tiddlywiki
>>- Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes and 
>>return a link to the correct wiki
>>
>> Howto
>>
>>- a simple script to create or update the index in the wiki
>>- export the updated index to master wiki
>>
>> I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use 
>> single html Tiddlywiki.
>>
>>
>>1. What do you think?
>>2. Have you seen such solution before?
>>3. Can you share any tools, idea?
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[oleghbond]

I'll try to translate https://protw.github.io/to farm as sooner 

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mohammad]

This is a first attempt to make search in an index. NO link is created noe

\define thisSearchMacro(search:"", dataTid:"exmp39/acronyms/web")

<$list filter="[[$dataTid$]indexes[]regexp:title[(?i)$search$]]">
<$text text=<>/>
<$text text={{{ [[$dataTid$]getindex] }}}/>


\end

<$edit-text tiddler=test tag=input default="no search"/>

<$macrocall $name="thisSearchMacro" search={{test}} 
dataTid="index-for-TiddlyWiki Pre-release"/>

The thisSearchMacro was developed by Stephan Hradek.

On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 9:50:23 PM UTC+3:30, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Here's code that will create an index for the current wiki. It uses the 
> wiki title as the basis for the index name. It saves title, caption, and 
> tags.
>
> The next step would be to modify the search code so that it knows to look 
> in the index files.
>
> \define indexvalue() $(title)$|$(caption)$|$(tags)$
> <$vars indextitle={{{ [{$:/SiteTitle}addprefix[index-for-]] }}}>
> <$button>Make Index
> <$list filter="[all[tiddlers]!is[system]]">
> <$vars title={{!!title}} caption={{!!caption}} tags={{!!tags}} >
> <$action-setfield $tiddler=<> $index=<> 
> $value=<>/> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 9:14:46 PM UTC-8, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>
>>- Tiddlywiki is great at small to moderate number of tiddlers
>>- It is easier to keep few subjects in a Tiddlywiki, for example a 
>>student can have one wiki per course
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki like a MsWord file but with tons of features 
>>   and suprior flexibility
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a webpage, but simple to create, customize 
>>   and use
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a database
>>- RESULT
>>   - People using Tiddlywiki have several separate Tiddlywiki
>>- ISSUE
>>   - Searching and finding something gets difficult and makes headache
>>
>>
>> One solution
>>
>>- create a master Tiddywiki or a main wiki
>>- use a dataTiddler per wiki to index few fields per tiddler like 
>>tiddler titles, caption and keywords field
>>- put all these indexes in the master Tiddlywiki
>>- Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes and 
>>return a link to the correct wiki
>>
>> Howto
>>
>>- a simple script to create or update the index in the wiki
>>- export the updated index to master wiki
>>
>> I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use 
>> single html Tiddlywiki.
>>
>>
>>1. What do you think?
>>2. Have you seen such solution before?
>>3. Can you share any tools, idea?
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mohammad]

Olegh,
 For documentation purpose and future reference, is there any readme or 
tutorial help to setup such Tiddly farm?
 
--Mohammad

On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 5:30:33 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:
>
> Dear tiddlymates,
>
> With similar thoughts I started my project TW Farm bearing in mind this 
> idea from the very beginning and giving an appropriate name. I have still 
> been successfully using it for developing my TW farm. The main limitation 
> of my realization is absence of cross searching between separate wikis. So, 
> at this point I totally support Mohammed in raising the proper task.
>
> The Master TW of my farm is at https://protw.github.io/, the JS code is 
> located at https://github.com/protw/twfarm and its user description is at 
> https://protw.github.io/twfarm/ (though in Ukrainian).
>
> My JS knowledge level and limited time are not sufficient for developing 
> the idea to full extent. But I believe that it is an issue of very soon 
> time.
>
> As a basis of the TW farm on my computer I use BobEXE TW server. For 
> publication at the Web of my TW farm I use git instruments and web 
> resources together with my JS code (https://github.com/protw/twfarm).
>
> My vision that BobEXE could be a very good native platform for developing 
> the idea once more expressed by Mohammed.
>
> Olegh
>
> вівторок, 28 січня 2020 р. 07:14:46 UTC+2 користувач Mohammad написав:
>>
>>
>>- Tiddlywiki is great at small to moderate number of tiddlers
>>- It is easier to keep few subjects in a Tiddlywiki, for example a 
>>student can have one wiki per course
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki like a MsWord file but with tons of features 
>>   and suprior flexibility
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a webpage, but simple to create, customize 
>>   and use
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a database
>>- RESULT
>>   - People using Tiddlywiki have several separate Tiddlywiki
>>- ISSUE
>>   - Searching and finding something gets difficult and makes headache
>>
>>
>> One solution
>>
>>- create a master Tiddywiki or a main wiki
>>- use a dataTiddler per wiki to index few fields per tiddler like 
>>tiddler titles, caption and keywords field
>>- put all these indexes in the master Tiddlywiki
>>- Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes and 
>>return a link to the correct wiki
>>
>> Howto
>>
>>- a simple script to create or update the index in the wiki
>>- export the updated index to master wiki
>>
>> I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use 
>> single html Tiddlywiki.
>>
>>
>>1. What do you think?
>>2. Have you seen such solution before?
>>3. Can you share any tools, idea?
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mohammad]

Hi Mark,
 This is wonderful!
The next step is to create a customize sarchbox. This way one can search 
and find direct link to the other wiki!

--Mohammad

p.s
Tested on TW5.1.22pre creates a 106kB file!



On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 9:50:23 PM UTC+3:30, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Here's code that will create an index for the current wiki. It uses the 
> wiki title as the basis for the index name. It saves title, caption, and 
> tags.
>
> The next step would be to modify the search code so that it knows to look 
> in the index files.
>
> \define indexvalue() $(title)$|$(caption)$|$(tags)$
> <$vars indextitle={{{ [{$:/SiteTitle}addprefix[index-for-]] }}}>
> <$button>Make Index
> <$list filter="[all[tiddlers]!is[system]]">
> <$vars title={{!!title}} caption={{!!caption}} tags={{!!tags}} >
> <$action-setfield $tiddler=<> $index=<> 
> $value=<>/> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 9:14:46 PM UTC-8, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>
>>- Tiddlywiki is great at small to moderate number of tiddlers
>>- It is easier to keep few subjects in a Tiddlywiki, for example a 
>>student can have one wiki per course
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki like a MsWord file but with tons of features 
>>   and suprior flexibility
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a webpage, but simple to create, customize 
>>   and use
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a database
>>- RESULT
>>   - People using Tiddlywiki have several separate Tiddlywiki
>>- ISSUE
>>   - Searching and finding something gets difficult and makes headache
>>
>>
>> One solution
>>
>>- create a master Tiddywiki or a main wiki
>>- use a dataTiddler per wiki to index few fields per tiddler like 
>>tiddler titles, caption and keywords field
>>- put all these indexes in the master Tiddlywiki
>>- Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes and 
>>return a link to the correct wiki
>>
>> Howto
>>
>>- a simple script to create or update the index in the wiki
>>- export the updated index to master wiki
>>
>> I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use 
>> single html Tiddlywiki.
>>
>>
>>1. What do you think?
>>2. Have you seen such solution before?
>>3. Can you share any tools, idea?
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Here's code that will create an index for the current wiki. It uses the 
wiki title as the basis for the index name. It saves title, caption, and 
tags.

The next step would be to modify the search code so that it knows to look 
in the index files.

\define indexvalue() $(title)$|$(caption)$|$(tags)$
<$vars indextitle={{{ [{$:/SiteTitle}addprefix[index-for-]] }}}>
<$button>Make Index
<$list filter="[all[tiddlers]!is[system]]">
<$vars title={{!!title}} caption={{!!caption}} tags={{!!tags}} >
<$action-setfield $tiddler=<> $index=<> 
$value=<>/> 







On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 9:14:46 PM UTC-8, Mohammad wrote:
>
>
>- Tiddlywiki is great at small to moderate number of tiddlers
>- It is easier to keep few subjects in a Tiddlywiki, for example a 
>student can have one wiki per course
>   - I see Tiddlywiki like a MsWord file but with tons of features and 
>   suprior flexibility
>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a webpage, but simple to create, customize 
>   and use
>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a database
>- RESULT
>   - People using Tiddlywiki have several separate Tiddlywiki
>- ISSUE
>   - Searching and finding something gets difficult and makes headache
>
>
> One solution
>
>- create a master Tiddywiki or a main wiki
>- use a dataTiddler per wiki to index few fields per tiddler like 
>tiddler titles, caption and keywords field
>- put all these indexes in the master Tiddlywiki
>- Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes and 
>return a link to the correct wiki
>
> Howto
>
>- a simple script to create or update the index in the wiki
>- export the updated index to master wiki
>
> I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use single 
> html Tiddlywiki.
>
>
>1. What do you think?
>2. Have you seen such solution before?
>3. Can you share any tools, idea?
>
> --Mohammad
>

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[oleghbond]

Dear tiddlymates,

With similar thoughts I started my project TW Farm bearing in mind this 
idea from the very beginning and giving an appropriate name. I have still 
been successfully using it for developing my TW farm. The main limitation 
of my realization is absence of cross searching between separate wikis. So, 
at this point I totally support Mohammed in raising the proper task.

The Master TW of my farm is at https://protw.github.io/, the JS code is 
located at https://github.com/protw/twfarm and its user description is at 
https://protw.github.io/twfarm/ (though in Ukrainian).

My JS knowledge level and limited time are not sufficient for developing 
the idea to full extent. But I believe that it is an issue of very soon 
time.

As a basis of the TW farm on my computer I use BobEXE TW server. For 
publication at the Web of my TW farm I use git instruments and web 
resources together with my JS code (https://github.com/protw/twfarm).

My vision that BobEXE could be a very good native platform for developing 
the idea once more expressed by Mohammed.

Olegh

вівторок, 28 січня 2020 р. 07:14:46 UTC+2 користувач Mohammad написав:
>
>
>- Tiddlywiki is great at small to moderate number of tiddlers
>- It is easier to keep few subjects in a Tiddlywiki, for example a 
>student can have one wiki per course
>   - I see Tiddlywiki like a MsWord file but with tons of features and 
>   suprior flexibility
>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a webpage, but simple to create, customize 
>   and use
>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a database
>- RESULT
>   - People using Tiddlywiki have several separate Tiddlywiki
>- ISSUE
>   - Searching and finding something gets difficult and makes headache
>
>
> One solution
>
>- create a master Tiddywiki or a main wiki
>- use a dataTiddler per wiki to index few fields per tiddler like 
>tiddler titles, caption and keywords field
>- put all these indexes in the master Tiddlywiki
>- Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes and 
>return a link to the correct wiki
>
> Howto
>
>- a simple script to create or update the index in the wiki
>- export the updated index to master wiki
>
> I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use single 
> html Tiddlywiki.
>
>
>1. What do you think?
>2. Have you seen such solution before?
>3. Can you share any tools, idea?
>
> --Mohammad
>

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mohammad]

Hello James,
 Not yet, but I will share if you have any working solution!
By the way the Twedration seems to do the job, when you are on node.js
See Mark 
post: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/8qyPUgmpDYY/v4-fPn53AgAJ

--Mohammad

On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 7:23:36 AM UTC+3:30, James wrote:
>
> Hi Mohammad,
>
> Do you have any workable example?
>
> It sounds interesting, I have multiple TWs and I am looking for ways to 
> filter tiddlers across the TWs.
>
>
> On Tuesday, 28 January 2020 13:14:46 UTC+8, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>
>>- Tiddlywiki is great at small to moderate number of tiddlers
>>- It is easier to keep few subjects in a Tiddlywiki, for example a 
>>student can have one wiki per course
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki like a MsWord file but with tons of features 
>>   and suprior flexibility
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a webpage, but simple to create, customize 
>>   and use
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a database
>>- RESULT
>>   - People using Tiddlywiki have several separate Tiddlywiki
>>- ISSUE
>>   - Searching and finding something gets difficult and makes headache
>>
>>
>> One solution
>>
>>- create a master Tiddywiki or a main wiki
>>- use a dataTiddler per wiki to index few fields per tiddler like 
>>tiddler titles, caption and keywords field
>>- put all these indexes in the master Tiddlywiki
>>- Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes and 
>>return a link to the correct wiki
>>
>> Howto
>>
>>- a simple script to create or update the index in the wiki
>>- export the updated index to master wiki
>>
>> I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use 
>> single html Tiddlywiki.
>>
>>
>>1. What do you think?
>>2. Have you seen such solution before?
>>3. Can you share any tools, idea?
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[James]

Hi Mohammad,

Do you have any workable example?

It sounds interesting, I have multiple TWs and I am looking for ways to 
filter tiddlers across the TWs.


On Tuesday, 28 January 2020 13:14:46 UTC+8, Mohammad wrote:
>
>
>- Tiddlywiki is great at small to moderate number of tiddlers
>- It is easier to keep few subjects in a Tiddlywiki, for example a 
>student can have one wiki per course
>   - I see Tiddlywiki like a MsWord file but with tons of features and 
>   suprior flexibility
>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a webpage, but simple to create, customize 
>   and use
>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a database
>- RESULT
>   - People using Tiddlywiki have several separate Tiddlywiki
>- ISSUE
>   - Searching and finding something gets difficult and makes headache
>
>
> One solution
>
>- create a master Tiddywiki or a main wiki
>- use a dataTiddler per wiki to index few fields per tiddler like 
>tiddler titles, caption and keywords field
>- put all these indexes in the master Tiddlywiki
>- Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes and 
>return a link to the correct wiki
>
> Howto
>
>- a simple script to create or update the index in the wiki
>- export the updated index to master wiki
>
> I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use single 
> html Tiddlywiki.
>
>
>1. What do you think?
>2. Have you seen such solution before?
>3. Can you share any tools, idea?
>
> --Mohammad
>

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mohammad]

Good idea,
 I think Josiah Powershell script can scan a wiki or wiki folder and create 
an index dataTiddler, then import to a master wiki to do the search!
In my opinion, this might be simple approach at the cost of having 
Powershell installed and run it.

--Mohammad

On Wednesday, January 29, 2020 at 1:55:02 AM UTC+3:30, TonyM wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> Perhaps a helpful feature would be to allow keywords to be selected from 
> the content of a tiddler. A View Template addon that parses the whole text 
> field, even other fields like description caption etc.. and lists them. 
> With a simple button or checkbox allowing yo you select which works to add 
> to a keyword field (perhaps stored off tiddler) with the words you select. 
> This makes the keywords "curated" and purposefully selected, a little more 
> work but possibly much more meaningful.
>
> Ideally we could list the words given how often they are used, excluding 
> stop words and/if/the/etc..., exclude widgets etc and perhaps even favoring 
> longer words as these can be more specific.
>  
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 4:14:46 PM UTC+11, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>
>>- Tiddlywiki is great at small to moderate number of tiddlers
>>- It is easier to keep few subjects in a Tiddlywiki, for example a 
>>student can have one wiki per course
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki like a MsWord file but with tons of features 
>>   and suprior flexibility
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a webpage, but simple to create, customize 
>>   and use
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a database
>>- RESULT
>>   - People using Tiddlywiki have several separate Tiddlywiki
>>- ISSUE
>>   - Searching and finding something gets difficult and makes headache
>>
>>
>> One solution
>>
>>- create a master Tiddywiki or a main wiki
>>- use a dataTiddler per wiki to index few fields per tiddler like 
>>tiddler titles, caption and keywords field
>>- put all these indexes in the master Tiddlywiki
>>- Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes and 
>>return a link to the correct wiki
>>
>> Howto
>>
>>- a simple script to create or update the index in the wiki
>>- export the updated index to master wiki
>>
>> I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use 
>> single html Tiddlywiki.
>>
>>
>>1. What do you think?
>>2. Have you seen such solution before?
>>3. Can you share any tools, idea?
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[TonyM]

Folks,

Perhaps a helpful feature would be to allow keywords to be selected from 
the content of a tiddler. A View Template addon that parses the whole text 
field, even other fields like description caption etc.. and lists them. 
With a simple button or checkbox allowing yo you select which works to add 
to a keyword field (perhaps stored off tiddler) with the words you select. 
This makes the keywords "curated" and purposefully selected, a little more 
work but possibly much more meaningful.

Ideally we could list the words given how often they are used, excluding 
stop words and/if/the/etc..., exclude widgets etc and perhaps even favoring 
longer words as these can be more specific.
 
Regards
Tony

On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 4:14:46 PM UTC+11, Mohammad wrote:
>
>
>- Tiddlywiki is great at small to moderate number of tiddlers
>- It is easier to keep few subjects in a Tiddlywiki, for example a 
>student can have one wiki per course
>   - I see Tiddlywiki like a MsWord file but with tons of features and 
>   suprior flexibility
>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a webpage, but simple to create, customize 
>   and use
>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a database
>- RESULT
>   - People using Tiddlywiki have several separate Tiddlywiki
>- ISSUE
>   - Searching and finding something gets difficult and makes headache
>
>
> One solution
>
>- create a master Tiddywiki or a main wiki
>- use a dataTiddler per wiki to index few fields per tiddler like 
>tiddler titles, caption and keywords field
>- put all these indexes in the master Tiddlywiki
>- Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes and 
>return a link to the correct wiki
>
> Howto
>
>- a simple script to create or update the index in the wiki
>- export the updated index to master wiki
>
> I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use single 
> html Tiddlywiki.
>
>
>1. What do you think?
>2. Have you seen such solution before?
>3. Can you share any tools, idea?
>
> --Mohammad
>

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mohammad]

On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 10:14:20 PM UTC+3:30, Mark S. wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 10:40:02 AM UTC-8, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>
>> Mark,
>> Do you mean Twedration can search multiple wikis? 
>>
>
> In Twederation, your TiddlyWiki file pulls in the content of other wikis. 
> So, then your instance has a copy of tiddlers from other wikis. So in that 
> sense it does search the other wikis. Obviously you couldn't do this 
> indefinitely without running into space problems.
>

I did not know this. It will give a try!
So, why it is not popular?

--Mohammad 

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 10:40:02 AM UTC-8, Mohammad wrote:
>
>
> Mark,
> Do you mean Twedration can search multiple wikis? 
>

In Twederation, your TiddlyWiki file pulls in the content of other wikis. 
So, then your instance has a copy of tiddlers from other wikis. So in that 
sense it does search the other wikis. Obviously you couldn't do this 
indefinitely without running into space problems.

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mohammad]

On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 7:25:49 PM UTC+3:30, Mark S. wrote:
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 9:14:46 PM UTC-8, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes and return a 
>> link to the correct wiki
>>
>
> Creating a data tiddler doesn't sound too hard.
>
> But you would need to make a special search tool to show the contents of 
> the data tiddler and reconstruct a link.
>
> Hmm. If you're on a local file system, can you link to another tiddler on 
> the local system?
>

Yes, TW-Scripts has a search tool to open other wikis, but it does not have 
an index file to search them just creates a link! 

>
> > I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use 
> single html Tiddlywiki.
>
> Twederation used/uses single files. It had some over-arching concerns re 
> long-term storage, sizing, and security.
>
>
>
Mark,
Do you mean Twedration can search multiple wikis? 

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Re: [tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mohammad]

Thank you bimlas,
Your solution works great for who can use Node.js

--Mohammad

On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 6:07:08 PM UTC+3:30, bimlas wrote:
>
> Mohammad,
>  
>
>> How about single files?
>>
>
> Because the solution uses WebServer API, it does not work with HTML files. 
>

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 9:14:46 PM UTC-8, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes and return a 
> link to the correct wiki
>

Creating a data tiddler doesn't sound too hard.

But you would need to make a special search tool to show the contents of 
the data tiddler and reconstruct a link.

Hmm. If you're on a local file system, can you link to another tiddler on 
the local system?

> I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use 
single html Tiddlywiki.

Twederation used/uses single files. It had some over-arching concerns re 
long-term storage, sizing, and security.



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Re: [tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[bimlas]

Mohammad,
 

> How about single files?
>

Because the solution uses WebServer API, it does not work with HTML files. 

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Re: [tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Hi bimlas
This is interesting. It off course need browser add on and node.js
But it worth.

How about single files?

Mohammad

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 2:00 PM bimlas  wrote:

> Mohammad,
>
> Guided by a similar idea, I created this:
> https://gitlab.com/bimlas/userscript-combine-tw5-and-search-engine-results
>
> This only works with the Node wiki and for the time being it requires a 
> modified
> core tiddler
> 
> until this pull request
>  getting merged, so
> DO NOT USE ON REAL WIKIS, just for testing.
>
> Anyway, your ideas seems to be more "TiddlyWikian", I will follow this
> thread closely. :)
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mohammad Rahmani]

We need some of Tiddlywiki heros come and help.

Cheers

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 4:43 PM David Gifford  wrote:

> When you guys get this made, with buttons and more detailed explanations
> on how to do it, let me know, I would be interested in using this. I have
> so many failed attempts at 'one-file-for-everything' TiddlyWikis, each with
> hidden/lost information. This could help me round up my lost sheep...
>
> On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 11:14:46 PM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>
>>- Tiddlywiki is great at small to moderate number of tiddlers
>>- It is easier to keep few subjects in a Tiddlywiki, for example a
>>student can have one wiki per course
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki like a MsWord file but with tons of features
>>   and suprior flexibility
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a webpage, but simple to create, customize
>>   and use
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a database
>>- RESULT
>>   - People using Tiddlywiki have several separate Tiddlywiki
>>- ISSUE
>>   - Searching and finding something gets difficult and makes headache
>>
>>
>> One solution
>>
>>- create a master Tiddywiki or a main wiki
>>- use a dataTiddler per wiki to index few fields per tiddler like
>>tiddler titles, caption and keywords field
>>- put all these indexes in the master Tiddlywiki
>>- Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes and
>>return a link to the correct wiki
>>
>> Howto
>>
>>- a simple script to create or update the index in the wiki
>>- export the updated index to master wiki
>>
>> I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use
>> single html Tiddlywiki.
>>
>>
>>1. What do you think?
>>2. Have you seen such solution before?
>>3. Can you share any tools, idea?
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[David Gifford]

When you guys get this made, with buttons and more detailed explanations on 
how to do it, let me know, I would be interested in using this. I have so 
many failed attempts at 'one-file-for-everything' TiddlyWikis, each with 
hidden/lost information. This could help me round up my lost sheep...

On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 11:14:46 PM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:
>
>
>- Tiddlywiki is great at small to moderate number of tiddlers
>- It is easier to keep few subjects in a Tiddlywiki, for example a 
>student can have one wiki per course
>   - I see Tiddlywiki like a MsWord file but with tons of features and 
>   suprior flexibility
>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a webpage, but simple to create, customize 
>   and use
>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a database
>- RESULT
>   - People using Tiddlywiki have several separate Tiddlywiki
>- ISSUE
>   - Searching and finding something gets difficult and makes headache
>
>
> One solution
>
>- create a master Tiddywiki or a main wiki
>- use a dataTiddler per wiki to index few fields per tiddler like 
>tiddler titles, caption and keywords field
>- put all these indexes in the master Tiddlywiki
>- Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes and 
>return a link to the correct wiki
>
> Howto
>
>- a simple script to create or update the index in the wiki
>- export the updated index to master wiki
>
> I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use single 
> html Tiddlywiki.
>
>
>1. What do you think?
>2. Have you seen such solution before?
>3. Can you share any tools, idea?
>
> --Mohammad
>

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[bimlas]

Mohammad,

Guided by a similar idea, I created this: 
https://gitlab.com/bimlas/userscript-combine-tw5-and-search-engine-results

This only works with the Node wiki and for the time being it requires a 
modified 
core tiddler 

 
until this pull request  
getting 
merged, so DO NOT USE ON REAL WIKIS, just for testing.

Anyway, your ideas seems to be more "TiddlyWikian", I will follow this 
thread closely. :)

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mohammad]

Hello Josiah,
Very interesting idea!

go ahead!

--Mohammad



On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 11:46:12 AM UTC+3:30, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao Mohammad
>
> One thought I had was to use Powershell to generate an "Index wiki". 
> This would parse single file wikis you have and extract index data and 
> compile into a new wiki.
>
> I done a bit of work on it and it looks doable.
>
> Thoughts
> TT
>
> On Tuesday, 28 January 2020 06:14:46 UTC+1, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>
>>- Tiddlywiki is great at small to moderate number of tiddlers
>>- It is easier to keep few subjects in a Tiddlywiki, for example a 
>>student can have one wiki per course
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki like a MsWord file but with tons of features 
>>   and suprior flexibility
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a webpage, but simple to create, customize 
>>   and use
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a database
>>- RESULT
>>   - People using Tiddlywiki have several separate Tiddlywiki
>>- ISSUE
>>   - Searching and finding something gets difficult and makes headache
>>
>>
>> One solution
>>
>>- create a master Tiddywiki or a main wiki
>>- use a dataTiddler per wiki to index few fields per tiddler like 
>>tiddler titles, caption and keywords field
>>- put all these indexes in the master Tiddlywiki
>>- Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes and 
>>return a link to the correct wiki
>>
>> Howto
>>
>>- a simple script to create or update the index in the wiki
>>- export the updated index to master wiki
>>
>> I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use 
>> single html Tiddlywiki.
>>
>>
>>1. What do you think?
>>2. Have you seen such solution before?
>>3. Can you share any tools, idea?
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Mohammad

One thought I had was to use Powershell to generate an "Index wiki". 
This would parse single file wikis you have and extract index data and 
compile into a new wiki.

I done a bit of work on it and it looks doable.

Thoughts
TT

On Tuesday, 28 January 2020 06:14:46 UTC+1, Mohammad wrote:
>
>
>- Tiddlywiki is great at small to moderate number of tiddlers
>- It is easier to keep few subjects in a Tiddlywiki, for example a 
>student can have one wiki per course
>   - I see Tiddlywiki like a MsWord file but with tons of features and 
>   suprior flexibility
>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a webpage, but simple to create, customize 
>   and use
>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a database
>- RESULT
>   - People using Tiddlywiki have several separate Tiddlywiki
>- ISSUE
>   - Searching and finding something gets difficult and makes headache
>
>
> One solution
>
>- create a master Tiddywiki or a main wiki
>- use a dataTiddler per wiki to index few fields per tiddler like 
>tiddler titles, caption and keywords field
>- put all these indexes in the master Tiddlywiki
>- Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes and 
>return a link to the correct wiki
>
> Howto
>
>- a simple script to create or update the index in the wiki
>- export the updated index to master wiki
>
> I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use single 
> html Tiddlywiki.
>
>
>1. What do you think?
>2. Have you seen such solution before?
>3. Can you share any tools, idea?
>
> --Mohammad
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Best wishes
Mohammad


On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 9:18 AM TonyM  wrote:

> Mohammad,
>
> I considered this path for my learning tiddlywiki edition. Basically I
> created a tiddler containing every regular tiddler then generated a link to
> access it https://tiddlywiki.com/#HelloThere all you need to do it prefix
> every tiddler name with https://tiddlywiki.com/# to construct the link
> You could place this path in a tiddler field, in a tiddler that contains a
> list of tiddler names for each wiki.
>

I think this is the simplest!

   1. a button
  1. to list all NON system tiddlers
  2. to add a prefix to refer to wiki and create the link
  3. write into a dataTiddler called xxx.index where xxx stands for
  wiki name like tiddlywiki.com.index
  4. export it as .tid file

NOW

   1. import the xxx.file
   2. use a custom searchbox to search in dataTiddler
   3. return the key/value as a link


> A quick brainstorm
>
> The above would work well for reference back to tiddlywiki.com because
> the title is often enough info in the titles, however you could also
> construct a link to open tiddly wiki.com with the search string you
> started with.
>
> I favor the use of titles and a keyword field to intentionally name the
> keywords and being able to do a keyword only search, ie you design tiddlers
> to state exactly which keywords are relevant in addition to the title.
>
> However if we wanted to get tricky we may be able to capture and extract
> the indexes that tiddlywiki builds internally for performance, but allow
> them, to be packaged and dropped into another wiki.
>

This is great! If one can export this to another wiki and use it for search
external wikis!

>
> A more sophisticated approach would be to generate a serial number of
> every tiddler, then every word you find is recorded and given its own
> serial number, then you generate a list of every word found and list the
> tiddlers in which it occurs, by recording the tiddler serial number against
> the word serial number. A special search could then use this database to
> all tiddlers containing one or more words and give you a link to it.
>
> This makes me wonder if we could use a compression technique that we could
> still search within.
>
> More simply we could generate a kind of usable site index for wikis, which
> can be copied into another wiki, if the search finds an item in that index
> you know within which wiki it resides.
>

Yep, this would be very useful.

>
> It may be possible to open a wiki in an iframe and feed the search string
> into the window once you identify the wiki in which the keyword belongs.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 4:14:46 PM UTC+11, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>
>>- Tiddlywiki is great at small to moderate number of tiddlers
>>- It is easier to keep few subjects in a Tiddlywiki, for example a
>>student can have one wiki per course
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki like a MsWord file but with tons of features
>>   and suprior flexibility
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a webpage, but simple to create, customize
>>   and use
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a database
>>- RESULT
>>   - People using Tiddlywiki have several separate Tiddlywiki
>>- ISSUE
>>   - Searching and finding something gets difficult and makes headache
>>
>>
>> One solution
>>
>>- create a master Tiddywiki or a main wiki
>>- use a dataTiddler per wiki to index few fields per tiddler like
>>tiddler titles, caption and keywords field
>>- put all these indexes in the master Tiddlywiki
>>- Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes and
>>return a link to the correct wiki
>>
>> Howto
>>
>>- a simple script to create or update the index in the wiki
>>- export the updated index to master wiki
>>
>> I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use
>> single html Tiddlywiki.
>>
>>
>>1. What do you think?
>>2. Have you seen such solution before?
>>3. Can you share any tools, idea?
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[TonyM]

Mohammad,

I considered this path for my learning tiddlywiki edition. Basically I 
created a tiddler containing every regular tiddler then generated a link to 
access it https://tiddlywiki.com/#HelloThere all you need to do it prefix 
every tiddler name with https://tiddlywiki.com/# to construct the link You 
could place this path in a tiddler field, in a tiddler that contains a list 
of tiddler names for each wiki.

A quick brainstorm

The above would work well for reference back to tiddlywiki.com because the 
title is often enough info in the titles, however you could also construct 
a link to open tiddly wiki.com with the search string you started with.

I favor the use of titles and a keyword field to intentionally name the 
keywords and being able to do a keyword only search, ie you design tiddlers 
to state exactly which keywords are relevant in addition to the title.

However if we wanted to get tricky we may be able to capture and extract 
the indexes that tiddlywiki builds internally for performance, but allow 
them, to be packaged and dropped into another wiki.

A more sophisticated approach would be to generate a serial number of every 
tiddler, then every word you find is recorded and given its own serial 
number, then you generate a list of every word found and list the tiddlers 
in which it occurs, by recording the tiddler serial number against the word 
serial number. A special search could then use this database to all 
tiddlers containing one or more words and give you a link to it.

This makes me wonder if we could use a compression technique that we could 
still search within.

More simply we could generate a kind of usable site index for wikis, which 
can be copied into another wiki, if the search finds an item in that index 
you know within which wiki it resides.

It may be possible to open a wiki in an iframe and feed the search string 
into the window once you identify the wiki in which the keyword belongs.

Regards
Tony



On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 4:14:46 PM UTC+11, Mohammad wrote:
>
>
>- Tiddlywiki is great at small to moderate number of tiddlers
>- It is easier to keep few subjects in a Tiddlywiki, for example a 
>student can have one wiki per course
>   - I see Tiddlywiki like a MsWord file but with tons of features and 
>   suprior flexibility
>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a webpage, but simple to create, customize 
>   and use
>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a database
>- RESULT
>   - People using Tiddlywiki have several separate Tiddlywiki
>- ISSUE
>   - Searching and finding something gets difficult and makes headache
>
>
> One solution
>
>- create a master Tiddywiki or a main wiki
>- use a dataTiddler per wiki to index few fields per tiddler like 
>tiddler titles, caption and keywords field
>- put all these indexes in the master Tiddlywiki
>- Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes and 
>return a link to the correct wiki
>
> Howto
>
>- a simple script to create or update the index in the wiki
>- export the updated index to master wiki
>
> I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use single 
> html Tiddlywiki.
>
>
>1. What do you think?
>2. Have you seen such solution before?
>3. Can you share any tools, idea?
>
> --Mohammad
>

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