Re: [tw5] Re: TW Hesitations On Showing -- #1

[Ste Wilson]

My understanding of the gdpr is 
1.you have to opt in to any data stored about you and what it's going to be 
used for. 
2. It has to be securely stored (which might be why your school says cloud 
storage is allowed).
3. Don't keep data any longer than you need to.
4. You have a right to see any data about you. 
I'm sure there is much complexity I've not grasped. 

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Re: [tw5] Re: TW Hesitations On Showing -- #1

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I'm curious. What good will those tiddlers do you without their original 
titles and field values?

Will you be maintaining a list so you know what original title matched what 
new title?

As a triage action, you could export all the identified tiddlers, delete 
them, and then do the conversion later at your leisure. But I'm assuming 
TW5. Or is this TWC?

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On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 5:07:50 AM UTC-7, Måns wrote:
>
> Hi 
>
> Because of the newly updated GPDR 
>  I 
> urgently need to change thousands of tiddler titles for sequential neutral 
> titles and "dummify" field values in wikis I made for the past 5 or 6  
> years.
> Alternatively I just have to delete them and loose access to a lot of 
> material that I myself, and collegues have generated over the years.
>
> I don't need a text find and replace function - because the tiddler titles 
> and field values are all unique - and not what I need to backup.
>
> I wonder how I would be able to create a "one-button operation" to handle 
> these two funtions:
>
> 1) Identify all tiddlers tagged with a tag - "dummify" all specified field 
> values - with a specific value
> 2) Replace tiddler titles with a new sequentially generated title - eg. 
> "title 01", "title 02" - etc..
>
> I've got untill midnight UTC - then I will have to delete alle of those 
> wikis...
>
> I will buy you a cake (and a cup of coffe) if any of you guys can help me 
> out here :-)
>
> Cheers Måns Mårtensson  
>
>
> fre. 25. maj 2018 kl. 11.47 skrev TonyM  >:
>
>> Mat,
>>
>> Depending on your workflow changing usernames is not so difficult. 
>> Especialy if you design components on one wiki with Admin. When you think 
>> you are done switch to your own user id, before sharing delete your tiddler 
>> change the user id to guest and share.
>>
>> This works even better if you maintain a seperate edition to apply fixes.
>>
>> I am building a tiddler to prompt for the user id on open.
>>
>> Another way is to consider the user id as a session name. Development 
>> session and named user session. I may even build a way to hide the edit 
>> button on tiddlers the current user does not own (creator).
>>
>> Food for thought
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
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Re: [tw5] Re: TW Hesitations On Showing -- #1

[Mat]

Måns, 

Not a single magic button but maybe my BatchManipulator 
 can be of some help? BTW, I 
recently started to work as a teacher as well and the GDPR issue is one 
huge confusion. For unclear reasons we're allowed to store files on Google 
Drive "in the cloud" but not e.g on gmail or outlook. (Don't ask, I don't 
understand either.) 

<:-)

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Re: [tw5] Re: TW Hesitations On Showing -- #1

[Måns Mårtensson]

Hi

Because of the newly updated GPDR
 I
urgently need to change thousands of tiddler titles for sequential neutral
titles and "dummify" field values in wikis I made for the past 5 or 6
years.
Alternatively I just have to delete them and loose access to a lot of
material that I myself, and collegues have generated over the years.

I don't need a text find and replace function - because the tiddler titles
and field values are all unique - and not what I need to backup.

I wonder how I would be able to create a "one-button operation" to handle
these two funtions:

1) Identify all tiddlers tagged with a tag - "dummify" all specified field
values - with a specific value
2) Replace tiddler titles with a new sequentially generated title - eg.
"title 01", "title 02" - etc..

I've got untill midnight UTC - then I will have to delete alle of those
wikis...

I will buy you a cake (and a cup of coffe) if any of you guys can help me
out here :-)

Cheers Måns Mårtensson


fre. 25. maj 2018 kl. 11.47 skrev TonyM :

> Mat,
>
> Depending on your workflow changing usernames is not so difficult.
> Especialy if you design components on one wiki with Admin. When you think
> you are done switch to your own user id, before sharing delete your tiddler
> change the user id to guest and share.
>
> This works even better if you maintain a seperate edition to apply fixes.
>
> I am building a tiddler to prompt for the user id on open.
>
> Another way is to consider the user id as a session name. Development
> session and named user session. I may even build a way to hide the edit
> button on tiddlers the current user does not own (creator).
>
> Food for thought
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
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[tw5] Re: TW Hesitations On Showing -- #1

[TonyM]

Mat,

Depending on your workflow changing usernames is not so difficult. Especialy if 
you design components on one wiki with Admin. When you think you are done 
switch to your own user id, before sharing delete your tiddler change the user 
id to guest and share.

This works even better if you maintain a seperate edition to apply fixes.

I am building a tiddler to prompt for the user id on open.

Another way is to consider the user id as a session name. Development session 
and named user session. I may even build a way to hide the edit button on 
tiddlers the current user does not own (creator).

Food for thought

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: TW Hesitations On Showing -- #1

[Mat]

TonyM wrote:
>
>  If people add to there workflow it is quite easy to create and modify 
> tiddlers under different names, 
>

Hm. The idea of having to change user name and constantly keeping in mind 
that my TW might(!) eventually be presented to others  then I suspect 
people would just rather not bother to present their private wikis to 
others.

That said, your idea has similarity to something I made for my (now frozen) 
blog TWaddle . I modified the saver so that 
it saved to two places; one saved the editor version to tiddlyspot where it 
was hosted but it also triggered a download of a public version with only 
certain tiddlers filtered, which I then uploaded to the public TWaddle. 
(Unfurtunately I couldn't get it to directly load to two tiddlywikis 
simultaneously, which is also why my blogging halted. Too much hassle just 
to add an article!). The filtering was based on some field value set in 
public tiddlers, kind of like what you propose. Still, if an unfinished 
article should slip through that would not be a biggie - it's just a silly 
blog. In contrast, the wikis I think would be most interesting to see the 
structure of are peoples "everyday wikis"... presumably with sometimes 
sensitive info (medical matters, private thoughts about other people, ... 
whatever) - these had better be cleared without risk for mistakes before 
anyone would mind sharing the TW.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: TW Hesitations On Showing -- #1

[TonyM]

Mat,

An alternative to the dummify idea is the use authors, this can be done 
manually but I have an 80% done tool that allows user selection at startup. 
If people add to there workflow it is quite easy to create and modify 
tiddlers under different names, it is then quite easy to delete tiddlers in 
the wiki created by a given author. So a solution could be built and edited 
with one user, personal content added with another, and dummy content added 
with another. Then the Wiki can be cloned and have all tiddlers created by 
the personal user ID deleted. If designed for "Multiple" users the single 
wiki can be used for personal, dummy and solution publishing.

Interestingly I think my User Selection tool is awesome, but I know it has 
someway to go before publishing. So it is an example of something as yet 
unpublished. Perhaps we need a channel through which to publish great ideas 
and algorithms separately from finished product. That would get useful 
tools to enthusiasts more quickly and reduce the burden on contributors.

Regards
Tony

On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 1:08:01 AM UTC+10, Mat wrote:
>
> @Jermolene
>
> It strikes me that people would easily share their personal wikis 
> publicly... if it didn't contain any personal stuff!
>
> So, there could be a *dummify plugin*! I.e a (real) plugin that converts 
> a (copy of) a TW into a dummy TW; content text is replaced with "lorem 
> ipsum" and tags and tiddler titles (i.e links) are turned generic so that 
> all relations are intact along with the plugins and all modifications etc. 
> No actual info. There could even be a "dummifier" akin to the upgrade 
> mechanism that you drop a TW on to scrub/dummify it.
>
> Considering TWs single-file nature, this might even make it possible to 
> post ones full wikis here in the google groups!
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: TW Hesitations On Showing -- #1

[@TiddlyTweeter]

got it.

On Thursday, 24 May 2018 22:19:03 UTC+2, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> @TiddlyTweeter
>
> My wikies for example contain images and text from books that I'm not 
> allowed to distribute
>
> erm... Can you give an example of a problem case?
>>
>> BurningTreeC wrote:
>>>
>>> a big problem with showing things is the CopyRight
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: TW Hesitations On Showing -- #1

[BurningTreeC]

@TiddlyTweeter

My wikies for example contain images and text from books that I'm not 
allowed to distribute

erm... Can you give an example of a problem case?
>
> BurningTreeC wrote:
>>
>> a big problem with showing things is the CopyRight
>>
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[tw5] Re: TW Hesitations On Showing -- #1

[@TiddlyTweeter]

erm... Can you give an example of a problem case?

BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> a big problem with showing things is the CopyRight
>

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[tw5] Re: TW Hesitations On Showing -- #1

[BurningTreeC]

Hi @TiddlyTweeter, @Mat 

a big problem with showing things is the CopyRight

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[tw5] Re: TW Hesitations On Showing -- #1

[Mat]

On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 6:07:28 PM UTC+2, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Mat wrote:
>>
>> It strikes me that people would easily share their personal wikis 
>> publicly... if it didn't contain any personal stuff!
>>
>
> Not so sure that quite covers it.
>

OK, "would easily share" is probably an exaggeration but I do believe many 
(not all) would not *mind *to share it. 

1 - I have seen (privately) AMAZING TW by two regular contributors here 
> that contain NOTHING personal. 
>

I have not seen them, but I would think that while they might not want to 
share those particular wikis, they might just have other wikis that do 
contain personal stuff because it is their "everyday wikis"... it is 
probably those wikis that, emptied on content, are the most interesting for 
the community to see. To see what it actually IS that people USE their 
wikis for. I have a zillion TW projects that are not ready for showing 
anyone. But I also have a few ones with tweaks and twists that I would not 
mind showing, were they empty.

 

> 2 - Any idea ROUTINE (out-of-the-box) TW are boring is false. Its NOT the 
> gizmos that matter. It is, ultimately, the content. There is a kinda 
> culture around TW that I think implies optimal organisational skill is 
> king. I think that is incorrect. Content is extremely important to meaning.
>

Well, there's content and there's content. Of course content, "my" content, 
is what matters but someone else's private content is probably not very 
interesting. That does kind of leave us with the gizmos. After all, the 
content could really be on post it notes too. But we *are* here for the TW 
magic.

But, yes, ultimately content is of course what matters. It's just that the 
TW project lacks infrastructure for this. I have written about this before, 
e.g here  and here 
. 
There 
is not much that we can do with content. Yet.

<:-)

>

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[tw5] Re: TW Hesitations On Showing -- #1

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Mat wrote:
>
> It strikes me that people would easily share their personal wikis 
> publicly... if it didn't contain any personal stuff!
>

Not so sure that quite covers it.

This topic is very interesting. And highly relevant to getting TW better 
known. 

Observations.

1 - I have seen (privately) AMAZING TW by two regular contributors here 
that contain NOTHING personal. I'm not sure what they are waiting for. They 
are a revelation. But, its like *"until its perfect, I won't." *We will all 
be dead by then. THAT is a social aspect that deserves some thought. I 
don't think its anything to do with skill. Its more in the region of the 
"Perfect Carpet." There are NO perfect carpets.

2 - Any idea ROUTINE (out-of-the-box) TW are boring is false. Its NOT the 
gizmos that matter. It is, ultimately, the content. There is a kinda 
culture around TW that I think implies optimal organisational skill is 
king. I think that is incorrect. Content is extremely important to meaning.

Just thoughts
Josiah


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[tw5] Re: TW Hesitations On Showing -- #1

[Mat]

@Jermolene

It strikes me that people would easily share their personal wikis 
publicly... if it didn't contain any personal stuff!

So, there could be a *dummify plugin*! I.e a (real) plugin that converts a 
(copy of) a TW into a dummy TW; content text is replaced with "lorem ipsum" 
and tags and tiddler titles (i.e links) are turned generic so that all 
relations are intact along with the plugins and all modifications etc. No 
actual info. There could even be a "dummifier" akin to the upgrade 
mechanism that you drop a TW on to scrub/dummify it.

Considering TWs single-file nature, this might even make it possible to 
post ones full wikis here in the google groups!

<:-)

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