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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2017-04-07 Thread Paul Boughner

Whats the process for adding a button to apply a highlight? I know my way 
around TW5 pretty well, so I can understand a quick list of:

   1. add a tiddler and tag it with...
   2. write a macro to do this...
   3. edit this toolbar to include...



I am currently using the stamp button to insert "@@ hl.ToDo" at the head, 
and "@@" to close it.

 @@ hl.ToDo -text- @@ 

I use this to tag things in journals and then use a list to search for that 
particular highlight. Which automagically gives me lists of ToDo, research, 
add to quiz, etc.

I would like to add a highlight button like the stamp button to choose the 
highlight.

Just cloning the stamp button would be great as long as it doesn't get 
overwritten in the next update.

Thanks

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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-06-22 Thread Duarte Farrajota Ramos

No hurries from my part, take your time to do it right, Jeremy
This is shaping up to be a great release for TiddlyWiki, and a huge step 
forward for a wider adoption and general public visibility.

On Wednesday, 22 June 2016 14:19:30 UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Josiah
>
> Ciao Jeremy & all
>
> Isn't it ready for release? As far as I can see there are far more 
> "feature requests" than "bug reports”.
>
>
> The main bug I’m thinking of is with the placeholder text for the new 
> editor being the wrong colour in Chrome (but not Firefox).
>
> I have also had to respond to some of the feature requests because if 
> deferred they would have required changes that would break backwards 
> compatibility).
>
> Couldn't there be a slightly faster methodology on release with more 
> sub-numbers?
>
>
> I talked about this in one of the earlier threads: the problem with this 
> release is that (a) the new editor is an unprecedentedly big change to the 
> core and (b) my day-job has been more time consuming than usual.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
>
> Thoughts
> Josiah
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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-06-22 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Hi Josiah

> Ciao Jeremy & all
> 
> Isn't it ready for release? As far as I can see there are far more "feature 
> requests" than "bug reports”.

The main bug I’m thinking of is with the placeholder text for the new editor 
being the wrong colour in Chrome (but not Firefox).

I have also had to respond to some of the feature requests because if deferred 
they would have required changes that would break backwards compatibility).

> Couldn't there be a slightly faster methodology on release with more 
> sub-numbers?

I talked about this in one of the earlier threads: the problem with this 
release is that (a) the new editor is an unprecedentedly big change to the core 
and (b) my day-job has been more time consuming than usual.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

> 
> Thoughts
> Josiah
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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-06-22 Thread Josiah

Ciao Jeremy & all

Isn't it ready for release? As far as I can see there are far more "feature 
requests" than "bug reports".

Couldn't there be a slightly faster methodology on release with more 
sub-numbers?

Thoughts
Josiah

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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-06-22 Thread Josiah

Ciao Jeremy & all,

I have followed this specific discussion with great interest.

Quite a lot of it touches into what should be standard fare v. what 
optional add-ins or macros.

Its a very interesting issue with mature "software" like tiddlywiki keeping 
the balance right between flexible essentials and specific commitments.

Personally I'm thinking that some of the discussion is really about 
APPLICATIONS for specific purposes, rather than core stuff.

To the wider public I think the brilliant plug-n-play architecture is not 
so immediately apparent.

Yet some of the highly specific applications that some people have 
developed have also generated very interesting, useful, plug-ins. I'm sure 
that's to do with good "utility driven" development.

I'm wondering if this collective result could be leveraged more?

Best wishes
Josiah


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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-06-03 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Hi Josiah

> The link from 
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#%22Dull%20Roar%22%20by%20Jim%20Lehmer is 
> broken

Thanks, much appreciated.

I really need to add an automated link checker to TW…

Best wishes

J

> 
> Josiah
> 
> On Saturday, 23 April 2016 14:14:24 UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
> Now that the editor toolbar work is completed, I’d like to release TiddlyWiki 
> 5.1.12 in the next couple of days. I’d be very grateful for help with testing 
> this release; there are a lot of changes this time around which brings a 
> potential for things to go wrong. 
> 
> There’s a prerelease available for testing: 
> 
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease  
> 
> Please give it a try - be cautious about your personal data, and take careful 
> backups. Perform a test upgrade of your wikis and check for any problems: 
> 
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/upgrade.html 
>  
> 
> Please let me know if you spot any issues. This is a great time to submit 
> documentation updates but I’m afraid its too late for any further functional 
> changes. In particular if you have published TiddlyWiki resources that are 
> not currently linked from http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease 
>  do please consider submitting a pull 
> request. 
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> 
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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-05-20 Thread David Gifford

Bummer! Hope the path before you straightens out for you. Looking forward
to a great new version. Hang in there, Jeremy!

On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 8:34 AM, Jeremy Ruston 
wrote:

> Hi Dave
>
> So, any update on the release date of 5.1.12?
>
>
> Unfortunately, bugs and updates got in the way of the most recent window I
> had for the release. Perhaps next week,
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> Dave
>
> On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 11:45:55 AM UTC-5, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>>  I'm working against a deadline of releasing 5.1.12 in the next 48 hours,
>> so would rather avoid any changes that carry any risk.
>>
>>
>> And I’m afraid I missed that deadline. I’m now aiming to release 5.1.12
>> in the next few days.
>>
>> I’ve posted a new prerelease for evaluation here:
>>
>> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy.
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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-05-20 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Hi Dave

> So, any update on the release date of 5.1.12?

Unfortunately, bugs and updates got in the way of the most recent window I had 
for the release. Perhaps next week,

Best wishes

Jeremy

> 
> Dave
> 
> On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 11:45:55 AM UTC-5, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>> 
>>>  I'm working against a deadline of releasing 5.1.12 in the next 48 hours, 
>>> so would rather avoid any changes that carry any risk.
>> 
>> And I’m afraid I missed that deadline. I’m now aiming to release 5.1.12 in 
>> the next few days.
>> 
>> I’ve posted a new prerelease for evaluation here:
>> 
>> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Jeremy.
>> 
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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-05-19 Thread David Gifford

So, any update on the release date of 5.1.12?

Dave

On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 11:45:55 AM UTC-5, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
>  I'm working against a deadline of releasing 5.1.12 in the next 48 hours, 
> so would rather avoid any changes that carry any risk.
>
>
> And I’m afraid I missed that deadline. I’m now aiming to release 5.1.12 in 
> the next few days.
>
> I’ve posted a new prerelease for evaluation here:
>
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-05-12 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki

Hi Jeremy,

Using http://keycode.info/, I find that that site doesn't work at all for 
Pale Moon. Odd.

On Fire Fox, it breaks the sequence into each step. So

Shift == 16
Ins == 45

It does not report that Shift-Ins (together) as different from Shift-Ins as 
two step sequences. 

Although the browser may do the paste/cut, the TW5 application must be 
grabbing key sequences. Shift-INS works in the old (current) TW5, but not 
in the new (pre-release) TW5 ... in the SAME browser.

Thanks!
Mark

On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 10:17:51 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Mark
>
> When I look at the keyboard shortcuts, I notice that there aren't any for 
> cut/paste. 
>
>
> No, the cut/copy/paste keyboard shortcuts are implemented by the browser.
>
> On FF in Windows, Ctl-V still works, but Shift-INS (which personally I 
> never use) is not working in the pre-release. Shift-INS does work in the 
> current full release version, so I assume it has something to do with the 
> short-cut handling. That is, the short-cut handler is "eating" all the 
> keystrokes, but only sending on certain ones.
>
>
> I can’t test this as I don’t have access to a Windows PC; I usually test 
> in a VM on the Mac, but that doesn’t give me an “INS” key.
>
> It would be helpful if you could use this site and report back the 
> keycodes you get for the “INS” key in Firefox and other browsers:
>
> http://keycode.info
>
> Maybe if cut/paste were added to the configuration shortcuts, people could 
> add whatever keys they thought most intuitive?
>
>
> The trouble is that the implementation of those copy and paste shortcuts 
> would be the same execCommand() call that has caused us such problems with 
> Undo/Redo.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Jeremy.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
> Mark
>  
> On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 9:21:55 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>>
>> So, perhaps it would be useful if you could review the default keyboard 
>> shortcuts and provide some feedback so that we can improve them together.
>>
>> Also, Shift-Ins (paste) is not working. I prefer that over Ctrl-V. So, 
>> thank you for the off switch as well :)
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-05-12 Thread Rustem

Jeremy,

Sorry it came out too harsh. As a user of a bleeding-edge version, I 
appreciate the off switch immensely, while we work out the kinks.

--R.

On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 9:21:55 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Rustem
>
> I wanted to like the new editor, but it messes with browser keyboard 
> shortcuts, for example Ctrl-T to open a new tab. I see those can be 
> reconfigured, I might try that later. 
>
>
> TiddlyWiki is a community development. I can’t personally keep track of 
> every interaction on every platform. I use TiddlyWiki every day on the Mac 
> and on iOS. I’m really dependent on feedback from Windows and Linux users 
> to improve the experience there.
>
> You’ve phrased it as “I don’t like the toolbar because it doesn’t work 
> properly for me in these situations”. But really it’s up to you to help me 
> improve it so that it does work properly for as many situations as possible.
>
> So, perhaps it would be useful if you could review the default keyboard 
> shortcuts and provide some feedback so that we can improve them together.
>
> Also, Shift-Ins (paste) is not working. I prefer that over Ctrl-V. So, 
> thank you for the off switch as well :)
>
>
> Again, I think this is a bug, but you are reporting it as if it is an 
> intrinsic problem with the editor toolbar.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
>
> --R.
>
>
> On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 1:16:02 PM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> Hi Rustem 
>>
>> > In Firefox, both Windows and Linux, I get this. Tested with a new 
>> profile, as well as on another person's machine - same result. 
>>
>> Great, thank you. Fixed here: 
>>
>>
>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/e54cc7b211e10df5048b85a30ebea42e6f885a54
>>  
>>
>> I’ve uploaded a new prerelease too, 
>>
>> Best wishes 
>>
>> Jeremy. 
>>
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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-05-12 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Hi Mark

> When I look at the keyboard shortcuts, I notice that there aren't any for 
> cut/paste. 

No, the cut/copy/paste keyboard shortcuts are implemented by the browser.

> On FF in Windows, Ctl-V still works, but Shift-INS (which personally I never 
> use) is not working in the pre-release. Shift-INS does work in the current 
> full release version, so I assume it has something to do with the short-cut 
> handling. That is, the short-cut handler is "eating" all the keystrokes, but 
> only sending on certain ones.

I can’t test this as I don’t have access to a Windows PC; I usually test in a 
VM on the Mac, but that doesn’t give me an “INS” key.

It would be helpful if you could use this site and report back the keycodes you 
get for the “INS” key in Firefox and other browsers:

http://keycode.info

> Maybe if cut/paste were added to the configuration shortcuts, people could 
> add whatever keys they thought most intuitive?

The trouble is that the implementation of those copy and paste shortcuts would 
be the same execCommand() call that has caused us such problems with Undo/Redo.

Many thanks,

Jeremy.



> Thanks!
> Mark
>  
> On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 9:21:55 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
> 
> So, perhaps it would be useful if you could review the default keyboard 
> shortcuts and provide some feedback so that we can improve them together.
> 
>> Also, Shift-Ins (paste) is not working. I prefer that over Ctrl-V. So, thank 
>> you for the off switch as well :)
> 
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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-05-12 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki

Hi Jeremy,

When I look at the keyboard shortcuts, I notice that there aren't any for 
cut/paste. 

On FF in Windows, Ctl-V still works, but Shift-INS (which personally I 
never use) is not working in the pre-release. Shift-INS does work in the 
current full release version, so I assume it has something to do with the 
short-cut handling. That is, the short-cut handler is "eating" all the 
keystrokes, but only sending on certain ones.

Maybe if cut/paste were added to the configuration shortcuts, people could 
add whatever keys they thought most intuitive?

Thanks!
Mark

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>
> So, perhaps it would be useful if you could review the default keyboard 
> shortcuts and provide some feedback so that we can improve them together.
>
> Also, Shift-Ins (paste) is not working. I prefer that over Ctrl-V. So, 
> thank you for the off switch as well :)
>
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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-05-12 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Hi Rustem

> Actually, why not invoke the preview type dropdown from the preview button 
> itself? Just add "none" to the list of choices.

Because then it would take two clicks to turn the preview on or off.

Also, the preview type dropdown only appears when additional preview types are 
loaded (eg via the “Internals” plugin that is included in the prerelease).

Best wishes

Jeremy

> 
> The open eye icon could remain the same for any preview type except "none".
> 
> --R
> 
> On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 5:01:35 PM UTC-7, Rustem wrote:
> This seems to be the thread to go for anything new-editor-related. So…
> 
> Wish: Relocate preview button (and accompanying dropdown) to inside (or next 
> to) , so it could be used with the simple editor as 
> well.
> Bug: Upon pressing Alt-P to open/close preview, the editor loses focus and 
> needs a mouse click inside to continue editing.
> 
> --R.
> 
> On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 4:04:05 PM UTC-7, Rustem wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks for the quick fix.
> 
> I wanted to like the new editor, but it messes with browser keyboard 
> shortcuts, for example Ctrl-T to open a new tab. I see those can be 
> reconfigured, I might try that later. 
> 
> Also, Shift-Ins (paste) is not working. I prefer that over Ctrl-V. So, thank 
> you for the off switch as well :)
> 
> --R.
> 
> 
> On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 1:16:02 PM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
> Hi Rustem 
> 
> > In Firefox, both Windows and Linux, I get this. Tested with a new profile, 
> > as well as on another person's machine - same result. 
> 
> Great, thank you. Fixed here: 
> 
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/e54cc7b211e10df5048b85a30ebea42e6f885a54
>  
> 
>  
> 
> I’ve uploaded a new prerelease too, 
> 
> Best wishes 
> 
> Jeremy. 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-05-12 Thread Jeremy Ruston

> wish: make the toolbar sticky, even if it causes problems with some browsers.

Sadly, the peculiar rules governing position: sticky mean that doing so would 
require a major reorganisation of the HTML generated by the editor. You can 
experiment with your browser devtools but I couldn’t find a place for position: 
sticky that has the desired effect.

Best wishes

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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-05-12 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Hi Rustem

> Wish: Relocate preview button (and accompanying dropdown) to inside (or next 
> to) , so it could be used with the simple editor as 
> well.

It doesn’t seem right to make the preview button be part of the tags machinery, 
but I recognise the problem. I’d rather explore extending the toolbar so that 
those buttons that don’t need focus preservation (such as the preview button) 
will work with the simple editor.
> Bug: Upon pressing Alt-P to open/close preview, the editor loses focus and 
> needs a mouse click inside to continue editing.
> 
I see the problem, but I don’t see a good solution. Switching the preview off 
requires us to refresh the tiddler, and that loses the focus.

Best wishes

Jeremy


> --R.
> 
> On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 4:04:05 PM UTC-7, Rustem wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks for the quick fix.
> 
> I wanted to like the new editor, but it messes with browser keyboard 
> shortcuts, for example Ctrl-T to open a new tab. I see those can be 
> reconfigured, I might try that later. 
> 
> Also, Shift-Ins (paste) is not working. I prefer that over Ctrl-V. So, thank 
> you for the off switch as well :)
> 
> --R.
> 
> 
> On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 1:16:02 PM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
> Hi Rustem 
> 
> > In Firefox, both Windows and Linux, I get this. Tested with a new profile, 
> > as well as on another person's machine - same result. 
> 
> Great, thank you. Fixed here: 
> 
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/e54cc7b211e10df5048b85a30ebea42e6f885a54
>  
> 
>  
> 
> I’ve uploaded a new prerelease too, 
> 
> Best wishes 
> 
> Jeremy. 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-05-12 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Hi Rustem

> I wanted to like the new editor, but it messes with browser keyboard 
> shortcuts, for example Ctrl-T to open a new tab. I see those can be 
> reconfigured, I might try that later. 

TiddlyWiki is a community development. I can’t personally keep track of every 
interaction on every platform. I use TiddlyWiki every day on the Mac and on 
iOS. I’m really dependent on feedback from Windows and Linux users to improve 
the experience there.

You’ve phrased it as “I don’t like the toolbar because it doesn’t work properly 
for me in these situations”. But really it’s up to you to help me improve it so 
that it does work properly for as many situations as possible.

So, perhaps it would be useful if you could review the default keyboard 
shortcuts and provide some feedback so that we can improve them together.

> Also, Shift-Ins (paste) is not working. I prefer that over Ctrl-V. So, thank 
> you for the off switch as well :)

Again, I think this is a bug, but you are reporting it as if it is an intrinsic 
problem with the editor toolbar.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

> 
> --R.
> 
> 
> On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 1:16:02 PM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
> Hi Rustem 
> 
> > In Firefox, both Windows and Linux, I get this. Tested with a new profile, 
> > as well as on another person's machine - same result. 
> 
> Great, thank you. Fixed here: 
> 
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/e54cc7b211e10df5048b85a30ebea42e6f885a54
>  
> 
>  
> 
> I’ve uploaded a new prerelease too, 
> 
> Best wishes 
> 
> Jeremy. 
> 
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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-05-12 Thread Pit.W.


+1


yes please!


Am 10.05.2016 um 02:04 schrieb PMario:
wish: make the toolbar sticky, even if it causes problems with some 
browsers.


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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-05-10 Thread progetti

Ciao Jeremy & Mat

I think the reason they apparently aren't there for me and Mat will be 
somewhat to do with how our browsers are set. To see them properly in 
Firefox on the edit page I have to Ctrl+Plus twice. I think its a visual 
illusion that might go away if the hair lengths & widths were increased a 
pixel or two.

My 2 cents.
Josiah

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> Hi Mat
>
> If it hasn't yet been solved, an idea is to simply add 4-5 eye-lashes and 
> it is clear it's a closed eye.
>
>
> The current version of the icon already includes lashes:
>
>
> While at it, the little baby button next to it could be a full button but 
> positioned inside the preview pane, perhaps floating top+right there. It 
> doesn't contribute anything (but clutter) without the preview pane open 
> anyway.
>
>
> The dropdown button adjacent to the preview button only appears when 
> additional preview are loaded (eg, via the “Internals” plugin that is 
> present in the prerelease). The trouble with floating the dropdown at the 
> top of the preview itself is that it will disturb the layout of the preview.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
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>
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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-05-09 Thread Rustem

Actually, why not invoke the preview type dropdown from the preview button 
itself? Just add "none" to the list of choices.

The open eye icon could remain the same for any preview type except "none".

--R

On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 5:01:35 PM UTC-7, Rustem wrote:
>
> This seems to be the thread to go for anything new-editor-related. So…
>
> *Wish:* Relocate preview button (and accompanying dropdown) to inside (or 
> next to) , so it could be used with the simple 
> editor as well.
> *Bug:* Upon pressing Alt-P to open/close preview, the editor loses focus 
> and needs a mouse click inside to continue editing.
>
> --R.
>
> On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 4:04:05 PM UTC-7, Rustem wrote:
>
> Thanks for the quick fix.
>>
>> I wanted to like the new editor, but it messes with browser keyboard 
>> shortcuts, for example Ctrl-T to open a new tab. I see those can be 
>> reconfigured, I might try that later. 
>>
>> Also, Shift-Ins (paste) is not working. I prefer that over Ctrl-V. So, 
>> thank you for the off switch as well :)
>>
>> --R.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 1:16:02 PM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Rustem 
>>>
>>> > In Firefox, both Windows and Linux, I get this. Tested with a new 
>>> profile, as well as on another person's machine - same result. 
>>>
>>> Great, thank you. Fixed here: 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/e54cc7b211e10df5048b85a30ebea42e6f885a54
>>>  
>>>
>>> I’ve uploaded a new prerelease too, 
>>>
>>> Best wishes 
>>>
>>> Jeremy. 
>>>
>>> 
>

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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-05-09 Thread PMario

wish: make the toolbar sticky, even if it causes problems with some 
browsers.

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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-05-09 Thread PMario

wish: make the toolbar sticky, even if it causes problems with some 
browsers.

-m

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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-05-09 Thread Rustem



This seems to be the thread to go for anything new-editor-related. So…

*Wish:* Relocate preview button (and accompanying dropdown) to inside (or 
next to) , so it could be used with the simple 
editor as well.
*Bug:* Upon pressing Alt-P to open/close preview, the editor loses focus 
and needs a mouse click inside to continue editing.

--R.

On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 4:04:05 PM UTC-7, Rustem wrote:

Thanks for the quick fix.
>
> I wanted to like the new editor, but it messes with browser keyboard 
> shortcuts, for example Ctrl-T to open a new tab. I see those can be 
> reconfigured, I might try that later. 
>
> Also, Shift-Ins (paste) is not working. I prefer that over Ctrl-V. So, 
> thank you for the off switch as well :)
>
> --R.
>
>
> On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 1:16:02 PM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> Hi Rustem 
>>
>> > In Firefox, both Windows and Linux, I get this. Tested with a new 
>> profile, as well as on another person's machine - same result. 
>>
>> Great, thank you. Fixed here: 
>>
>>
>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/e54cc7b211e10df5048b85a30ebea42e6f885a54
>>  
>>
>> I’ve uploaded a new prerelease too, 
>>
>> Best wishes 
>>
>> Jeremy. 
>>
>> 

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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-05-09 Thread Rustem

Thanks for the quick fix.

I wanted to like the new editor, but it messes with browser keyboard 
shortcuts, for example Ctrl-T to open a new tab. I see those can be 
reconfigured, I might try that later. 

Also, Shift-Ins (paste) is not working. I prefer that over Ctrl-V. So, 
thank you for the off switch as well :)

--R.


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>
> Hi Rustem 
>
> > In Firefox, both Windows and Linux, I get this. Tested with a new 
> profile, as well as on another person's machine - same result. 
>
> Great, thank you. Fixed here: 
>
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/e54cc7b211e10df5048b85a30ebea42e6f885a54
>  
>
> I’ve uploaded a new prerelease too, 
>
> Best wishes 
>
> Jeremy. 
>
>

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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-05-09 Thread Mat


>
> The current version of the icon already includes lashes:
>


Ah! It´s either my eyes or my screen but I just didn't see them. Here's a 
crude sketch of what I have in mind - before and after, as it appears on my 
screen. The arc is also raised some 2px to prevent if from appearing like a 
mouth.



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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-05-09 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Hi Mat

> If it hasn't yet been solved, an idea is to simply add 4-5 eye-lashes and it 
> is clear it's a closed eye.

The current version of the icon already includes lashes:


> While at it, the little baby button next to it could be a full button but 
> positioned inside the preview pane, perhaps floating top+right there. It 
> doesn't contribute anything (but clutter) without the preview pane open 
> anyway.

The dropdown button adjacent to the preview button only appears when additional 
preview are loaded (eg, via the “Internals” plugin that is present in the 
prerelease). The trouble with floating the dropdown at the top of the preview 
itself is that it will disturb the layout of the preview.

Best wishes

Jeremy

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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-05-09 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Hi Rustem

> In Firefox, both Windows and Linux, I get this. Tested with a new profile, as 
> well as on another person's machine - same result.

Great, thank you. Fixed here:

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/e54cc7b211e10df5048b85a30ebea42e6f885a54

I’ve uploaded a new prerelease too,

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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-05-09 Thread Rustem

Works in Chrome. 

In Firefox, both Windows and Linux, I get this. Tested with a new profile, 
as well as on another person's machine - same result.




On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 9:15:26 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Rustem
>
> I use a theme that is not white (Solar Flare), and a bigger font in the 
> editor. In my opinioin, the new editor needs the following before it’s 
> released: a possibility of styling it, and an opt-out switch that reverts 
> to the old plain textarea editor.
>
>
> Taking the style question first, that should work. In my tests, the “Solar 
> Flare” theme works OK (see the screenshot below). What browser/OS are you 
> using?
>
>
> I’ll look at adding a configuration option to revert to the non-framed 
> editor without a toolbar.
>
> I looked briefly at the code. Maybe I misundestood, but I thought 
> copyStyles is supposed to copy styles from dummy text area, that has a 
> class .tc-edit-texteditor assigned to it, to the textarea inside the 
> iframe. It does not do so currently, and the only styles the textarea has 
> are display, height, margin, and width - those are assigned explicitly in 
> the code.
>
> As I say, this is a different result than I’m seeing.
>
> Out of curiosity, I inspected GitHub comments editor - it manages without 
> an iframe, and selection preservation is there
>
> They’ve got a much easier case: there is only a single editor on the page, 
> so they can just stash the selection globally during event handling. The 
> issue for TW5 is that the editor might be torn down and recreated at any 
> time by the refresh mechanism.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
> —R.
>
> On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 1:22:07 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
>
> Hi Stephen
>>
>> I use very dark themes and palettes with my Tiddlywikis. In the previous 
>> pre-release I could style the editor but this one I seem to get glaring 
>> white with black characters no matter what I do. Perhaps it is something 
>> very simple but I'm missing it.
>>
>>
>> I think you’ll find that after changing the palette you need to cancel 
>> and re-edit tiddlers to make the editor update to the new palette. The 
>> issue is that the textarea in the editor is embedded in an iframe in order 
>> to allow us to preserve the selection, but a side effect is that the main 
>> page styles are not visible within the iframe, so have to be manually 
>> copied across.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>> Mark S has pointed out that the Undo/Redo arrows don't work in Firefox or 
>> Firefox derivatives. Unfortunately, Mark, that is the Firefox design and 
>> not a mistake in Tiddlywiki.
>>
>> Other than that, everything works as anticipated. 
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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-05-09 Thread progetti

Mat, I agree its not entirely clear.

Why not just REVERSE it? The open eye to represent ACCESS to preview and a 
closed eye to close it? 

Regards, Josiah

On Monday, 9 May 2016 20:30:51 UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>
> On the latest hangout there was brief mention of the problem with the 
> Preview icon (the closed eye).
>
> If it hasn't yet been solved, an idea is to simply add 4-5 eye-lashes and 
> it is clear it's a closed eye.
>
> While at it, the little baby button next to it could be a full button but 
> positioned inside the preview pane, perhaps floating top+right there. It 
> doesn't contribute anything (but clutter) without the preview pane open 
> anyway.
>
>
> <:-)
>
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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-05-09 Thread Mat

On the latest hangout there was brief mention of the problem with the 
Preview icon (the closed eye).

If it hasn't yet been solved, an idea is to simply add 4-5 eye-lashes and 
it is clear it's a closed eye.

While at it, the little baby button next to it could be a full button but 
positioned inside the preview pane, perhaps floating top+right there. It 
doesn't contribute anything (but clutter) without the preview pane open 
anyway.


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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-05-09 Thread Mat


>
> And I’m afraid I missed that deadline. I’m now aiming to release 5.1.12 in 
> the next few days.
>


Just a reflection: I can't speak for anyone else but 5.1.*11* is fantastic 
so even if I'm really excited about .12, I really hope nobody is stressed 
out over it.


I just love TW.

<:-)

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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-05-09 Thread Jeremy Ruston

>  I'm working against a deadline of releasing 5.1.12 in the next 48 hours, so 
> would rather avoid any changes that carry any risk.

And I’m afraid I missed that deadline. I’m now aiming to release 5.1.12 in the 
next few days.

I’ve posted a new prerelease for evaluation here:

http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease

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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-05-09 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Hi Mark

> I noticed that if you use the macro for excision, that the "transcluded" text 
> does not include images and leaves out formatting. If you do a plain 
> transclusion with curly brackets, it does include images. It seems to me that 
> the macro should do a real transclusion so you you can see what you're 
> actually getting.

Excising to a macro call is designed to be used with your own custom macros. 
The default “translink" macro that is provided is intended to demonstrate how 
to use the feature; it’s not particularly useful in it’s own right.

> After some more experimentation, I see that the problem may be the 
> <$transclusion> widget -- it doesn't include images or formatting either. 

Do you mean the <$transclude> widget? By default, it wikifies the target text, 
and so does indeed include images and formatting.

> On the other hand, changing the macro to use curly brackets doesn't bring 
> back the formatting, and everything is displayed in inline mode. So it will 
> take more than one tweak to get right.

What do you mean by “changing the macro to use curly brackets”? 

Can you perhaps show some specific examples that do not behave as you expect?

Best wishes

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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-05-09 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Hi Rustem

> On 9 May 2016, at 10:15, Jeremy Ruston  wrote:
> 
> I’ll look at adding a configuration option to revert to the non-framed editor 
> without a toolbar.

I’ve added a control panel option:

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/c8777ea01244f274910892d41baf33d6d44ecba9

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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-05-09 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Hi Andrew

There were two reasons I dropped the undo/redo buttons, one superficial, and 
one more fundamental:

* The endless problems I encountered getting the execCommand() call to work 
consistently across browsers. This is a notorious area for poor cross-browser 
compatibility, and there is every indication that it’s impossible to make the 
native execCommand(“undo”) work with textareas under Firefox.
* The deeper problem that the OS undo/redo only extends back to the last time 
that the textarea was refreshed. To an end user, the result is highly 
confusing: one can only undo back to an arbitrary and unpredictable point

So, my conclusion was that decent undo/redo handling will require us to 
engineer the undo/redo logic ourselves.

Best wishes

Jeremy


> On 8 May 2016, at 10:10, Andrew  wrote:
> 
> I have still been trying to figure out why undo was acting strange and I am 
> so close. I think that the functionality was all there. It is just a matter 
> of doing something like the following, but I can't quite figure it out how to 
> capture the text of the hidden dummy iframe after the undo but nothing seems 
> to work:
> in undo.js:
> document.execCommand("undo", false, null);
> operation.replacement = textarea.value;
> 
> or 
> document.execCommand("undo", false, null);
> operation.replacement = 
> this.parentDomNode.getElementsByTagName("textarea")[0].value;
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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-05-04 Thread BJ

It is possible to suppress the display of the 'text' of tiddlers by adding 
a field "hide-body" with value "yes", maybe this could be added to such 
troublesome tiddlers

On Tuesday, May 3, 2016 at 5:23:34 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Josiah
>
> As far as I can see its not fatal. All tiddlers open are there. But it is 
> directly linked to from at least one normal tiddler …
>
>
> It is indeed a frustrating little problem. It’s too late now, but I rather 
> wish that we'd made system tiddlers display in plain text. Many of the core 
> templates aren’t useful to view in rendered form.
>
> I’m sure you’ll have figured out that the warning appears when a tiddler 
> is transcluded from inside itself, setting up an infinite loop if we didn’t 
> trap it. The situations where it crops up could be viewed as instructive :)
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>   "storyTiddler Variable"
>
> J.
>
> On Sunday, 1 May 2016 19:24:51 UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> Hi Andrew
>>
>> Ah, a bit more poking around reveals that I was using the new fangled 
>> Metro-style version of IE11 under Windows 10 (I think it may be called 
>> Edge). That version does still seem to work fine, but if I switch to the 
>> ordinary IE11 then I’m seeing the same problems as you describe. I’ll 
>> investigate further,
>>
>>
>> OK, I think I’ve got things working again. I’ve uploaded a new prerelease:
>>
>> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
>>
>> There are a couple of fixes:
>>
>> * The deleting text issue
>> * The “repeat” error when using the heading buttons
>>
>> Please do give it a try and let me know,
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>> Many thanks,
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 6:43 AM, Jeremy Ruston  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> OK, after my disappointment recorded below, I came up with another 
>>> approach and I think have now got things working on Internet Explorer 11:
>>>
>>> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
>>>
>>> It needs thoroughly testing under other browsers too, but seems to work 
>>> for me,
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> Jeremy.
>>>
>>> > On 30 Apr 2016, at 12:06, Jeremy Ruston  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi Andrew
>>> >
>>> >> Now in IE 11, the whole edit field now clears if you change views and 
>>> also randomly. Something is wrong. It was working better. What changed?
>>> >
>>> > Nothing has changed in the code that updates the textarea. I think the 
>>> problem that we’re seeing in IE11 with the textarea display not being 
>>> updated is some kind of random bug.
>>> >
>>> > I’ve spent a few more hours investigating the problems with IE11 and 
>>> once again I’m out of ideas; I’ve been repeatedly finding the same outdated 
>>> information via searching Google, StackOverflow etc.
>>> >
>>> > The code in question is this part of framed.js:
>>> >
>>> >   // Attempt to use a TextEvent to modify the value of the 
>>> control
>>> >   var textEvent = 
>>> this.domNode.ownerDocument.createEvent("TextEvent");
>>> >   if(textEvent.initTextEvent) {
>>> >   textEvent.initTextEvent("textInput", true, true, 
>>> null, operation.replacement, 9, "en-US");
>>> >   this.domNode.focus();
>>> >  
>>>  this.domNode.setSelectionRange(operation.cutStart,operation.cutEnd);
>>> >   this.domNode.dispatchEvent(textEvent);
>>> >   } else {
>>> >   this.domNode.value = newText;
>>> >   }
>>> >
>>> > IE11 has the initTextEvent method, and so calls the first code path. 
>>> The problem is that the value underlying the textarea is updated, but the 
>>> display is not updated to match.
>>> >
>>> > Best wishes
>>> >
>>> > Jeremy.
>>> >
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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-05-03 Thread progetti

Jeremy

I kinda got to that high point of contradictory idiocy that a reported 
error is NOT necessarily an error

However, for the starter novice it does invoke Eebie-Jeebies. A point worth 
noting, IMO.

Josiah

. 

On Tuesday, 3 May 2016 18:23:34 UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Josiah
>
> As far as I can see its not fatal. All tiddlers open are there. But it is 
> directly linked to from at least one normal tiddler …
>
>
> It is indeed a frustrating little problem. It’s too late now, but I rather 
> wish that we'd made system tiddlers display in plain text. Many of the core 
> templates aren’t useful to view in rendered form.
>
> I’m sure you’ll have figured out that the warning appears when a tiddler 
> is transcluded from inside itself, setting up an infinite loop if we didn’t 
> trap it. The situations where it crops up could be viewed as instructive :)
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>   "storyTiddler Variable"
>
> J.
>
> On Sunday, 1 May 2016 19:24:51 UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> Hi Andrew
>>
>> Ah, a bit more poking around reveals that I was using the new fangled 
>> Metro-style version of IE11 under Windows 10 (I think it may be called 
>> Edge). That version does still seem to work fine, but if I switch to the 
>> ordinary IE11 then I’m seeing the same problems as you describe. I’ll 
>> investigate further,
>>
>>
>> OK, I think I’ve got things working again. I’ve uploaded a new prerelease:
>>
>> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
>>
>> There are a couple of fixes:
>>
>> * The deleting text issue
>> * The “repeat” error when using the heading buttons
>>
>> Please do give it a try and let me know,
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>> Many thanks,
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 6:43 AM, Jeremy Ruston  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> OK, after my disappointment recorded below, I came up with another 
>>> approach and I think have now got things working on Internet Explorer 11:
>>>
>>> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
>>>
>>> It needs thoroughly testing under other browsers too, but seems to work 
>>> for me,
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> Jeremy.
>>>
>>> > On 30 Apr 2016, at 12:06, Jeremy Ruston  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi Andrew
>>> >
>>> >> Now in IE 11, the whole edit field now clears if you change views and 
>>> also randomly. Something is wrong. It was working better. What changed?
>>> >
>>> > Nothing has changed in the code that updates the textarea. I think the 
>>> problem that we’re seeing in IE11 with the textarea display not being 
>>> updated is some kind of random bug.
>>> >
>>> > I’ve spent a few more hours investigating the problems with IE11 and 
>>> once again I’m out of ideas; I’ve been repeatedly finding the same outdated 
>>> information via searching Google, StackOverflow etc.
>>> >
>>> > The code in question is this part of framed.js:
>>> >
>>> >   // Attempt to use a TextEvent to modify the value of the 
>>> control
>>> >   var textEvent = 
>>> this.domNode.ownerDocument.createEvent("TextEvent");
>>> >   if(textEvent.initTextEvent) {
>>> >   textEvent.initTextEvent("textInput", true, true, 
>>> null, operation.replacement, 9, "en-US");
>>> >   this.domNode.focus();
>>> >  
>>>  this.domNode.setSelectionRange(operation.cutStart,operation.cutEnd);
>>> >   this.domNode.dispatchEvent(textEvent);
>>> >   } else {
>>> >   this.domNode.value = newText;
>>> >   }
>>> >
>>> > IE11 has the initTextEvent method, and so calls the first code path. 
>>> The problem is that the value underlying the textarea is updated, but the 
>>> display is not updated to match.
>>> >
>>> > Best wishes
>>> >
>>> > Jeremy.
>>> >
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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-05-03 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Hi Josiah

> As far as I can see its not fatal. All tiddlers open are there. But it is 
> directly linked to from at least one normal tiddler …

It is indeed a frustrating little problem. It’s too late now, but I rather wish 
that we'd made system tiddlers display in plain text. Many of the core 
templates aren’t useful to view in rendered form.

I’m sure you’ll have figured out that the warning appears when a tiddler is 
transcluded from inside itself, setting up an infinite loop if we didn’t trap 
it. The situations where it crops up could be viewed as instructive :)

Best wishes

Jeremy

> 
>   "storyTiddler Variable"
> 
> J.
> 
> On Sunday, 1 May 2016 19:24:51 UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
> Hi Andrew
> 
>> Ah, a bit more poking around reveals that I was using the new fangled 
>> Metro-style version of IE11 under Windows 10 (I think it may be called 
>> Edge). That version does still seem to work fine, but if I switch to the 
>> ordinary IE11 then I’m seeing the same problems as you describe. I’ll 
>> investigate further,
> 
> OK, I think I’ve got things working again. I’ve uploaded a new prerelease:
> 
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease 
> 
> There are a couple of fixes:
> 
> * The deleting text issue
> * The “repeat” error when using the heading buttons
> 
> Please do give it a try and let me know,
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy
> 
>> 
>> Many thanks,
>> 
>> Jeremy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 6:43 AM, Jeremy Ruston gmail.com 
>>> > wrote:
>>> OK, after my disappointment recorded below, I came up with another approach 
>>> and I think have now got things working on Internet Explorer 11:
>>> 
>>> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease 
>>> 
>>> It needs thoroughly testing under other browsers too, but seems to work for 
>>> me,
>>> 
>>> Best wishes
>>> 
>>> Jeremy.
>>> 
>>> > On 30 Apr 2016, at 12:06, Jeremy Ruston gmail.com 
>>> > > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi Andrew
>>> >
>>> >> Now in IE 11, the whole edit field now clears if you change views and 
>>> >> also randomly. Something is wrong. It was working better. What changed?
>>> >
>>> > Nothing has changed in the code that updates the textarea. I think the 
>>> > problem that we’re seeing in IE11 with the textarea display not being 
>>> > updated is some kind of random bug.
>>> >
>>> > I’ve spent a few more hours investigating the problems with IE11 and once 
>>> > again I’m out of ideas; I’ve been repeatedly finding the same outdated 
>>> > information via searching Google, StackOverflow etc.
>>> >
>>> > The code in question is this part of framed.js:
>>> >
>>> >   // Attempt to use a TextEvent to modify the value of the 
>>> > control
>>> >   var textEvent = 
>>> > this.domNode.ownerDocument.createEvent("TextEvent");
>>> >   if(textEvent.initTextEvent) {
>>> >   textEvent.initTextEvent("textInput", true, true, 
>>> > null, operation.replacement, 9, "en-US");
>>> >   this.domNode.focus();
>>> >   
>>> > this.domNode.setSelectionRange(operation.cutStart,operation.cutEnd);
>>> >   this.domNode.dispatchEvent(textEvent);
>>> >   } else {
>>> >   this.domNode.value = newText;
>>> >   }
>>> >
>>> > IE11 has the initTextEvent method, and so calls the first code path. The 
>>> > problem is that the value underlying the textarea is updated, but the 
>>> > display is not updated to match.
>>> >
>>> > Best wishes
>>> >
>>> > Jeremy.
>>> >
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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-05-02 Thread progetti

Jeremy

Small point, when I navigate to ...

   $:/core/ui/PageTemplate/story

I get the error message ...

  "Recursive transclusion error in transclude widget"

As far as I can see its not fatal. All tiddlers open are there. But it is 
directly linked to from at least one normal tiddler ...

  "storyTiddler Variable"

J.

On Sunday, 1 May 2016 19:24:51 UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Andrew
>
> Ah, a bit more poking around reveals that I was using the new fangled 
> Metro-style version of IE11 under Windows 10 (I think it may be called 
> Edge). That version does still seem to work fine, but if I switch to the 
> ordinary IE11 then I’m seeing the same problems as you describe. I’ll 
> investigate further,
>
>
> OK, I think I’ve got things working again. I’ve uploaded a new prerelease:
>
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
>
> There are a couple of fixes:
>
> * The deleting text issue
> * The “repeat” error when using the heading buttons
>
> Please do give it a try and let me know,
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 6:43 AM, Jeremy Ruston  > wrote:
>
>> OK, after my disappointment recorded below, I came up with another 
>> approach and I think have now got things working on Internet Explorer 11:
>>
>> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
>>
>> It needs thoroughly testing under other browsers too, but seems to work 
>> for me,
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy.
>>
>> > On 30 Apr 2016, at 12:06, Jeremy Ruston > > wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Andrew
>> >
>> >> Now in IE 11, the whole edit field now clears if you change views and 
>> also randomly. Something is wrong. It was working better. What changed?
>> >
>> > Nothing has changed in the code that updates the textarea. I think the 
>> problem that we’re seeing in IE11 with the textarea display not being 
>> updated is some kind of random bug.
>> >
>> > I’ve spent a few more hours investigating the problems with IE11 and 
>> once again I’m out of ideas; I’ve been repeatedly finding the same outdated 
>> information via searching Google, StackOverflow etc.
>> >
>> > The code in question is this part of framed.js:
>> >
>> >   // Attempt to use a TextEvent to modify the value of the 
>> control
>> >   var textEvent = 
>> this.domNode.ownerDocument.createEvent("TextEvent");
>> >   if(textEvent.initTextEvent) {
>> >   textEvent.initTextEvent("textInput", true, true, 
>> null, operation.replacement, 9, "en-US");
>> >   this.domNode.focus();
>> >  
>>  this.domNode.setSelectionRange(operation.cutStart,operation.cutEnd);
>> >   this.domNode.dispatchEvent(textEvent);
>> >   } else {
>> >   this.domNode.value = newText;
>> >   }
>> >
>> > IE11 has the initTextEvent method, and so calls the first code path. 
>> The problem is that the value underlying the textarea is updated, but the 
>> display is not updated to match.
>> >
>> > Best wishes
>> >
>> > Jeremy.
>> >
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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-05-01 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Hi Andrew

> Ah, a bit more poking around reveals that I was using the new fangled 
> Metro-style version of IE11 under Windows 10 (I think it may be called Edge). 
> That version does still seem to work fine, but if I switch to the ordinary 
> IE11 then I’m seeing the same problems as you describe. I’ll investigate 
> further,

OK, I think I’ve got things working again. I’ve uploaded a new prerelease:

http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease

There are a couple of fixes:

* The deleting text issue
* The “repeat” error when using the heading buttons

Please do give it a try and let me know,

Best wishes

Jeremy

> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Jeremy
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 6:43 AM, Jeremy Ruston > > wrote:
>> OK, after my disappointment recorded below, I came up with another approach 
>> and I think have now got things working on Internet Explorer 11:
>> 
>> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease 
>> 
>> It needs thoroughly testing under other browsers too, but seems to work for 
>> me,
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Jeremy.
>> 
>> > On 30 Apr 2016, at 12:06, Jeremy Ruston > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Andrew
>> >
>> >> Now in IE 11, the whole edit field now clears if you change views and 
>> >> also randomly. Something is wrong. It was working better. What changed?
>> >
>> > Nothing has changed in the code that updates the textarea. I think the 
>> > problem that we’re seeing in IE11 with the textarea display not being 
>> > updated is some kind of random bug.
>> >
>> > I’ve spent a few more hours investigating the problems with IE11 and once 
>> > again I’m out of ideas; I’ve been repeatedly finding the same outdated 
>> > information via searching Google, StackOverflow etc.
>> >
>> > The code in question is this part of framed.js:
>> >
>> >   // Attempt to use a TextEvent to modify the value of the 
>> > control
>> >   var textEvent = 
>> > this.domNode.ownerDocument.createEvent("TextEvent");
>> >   if(textEvent.initTextEvent) {
>> >   textEvent.initTextEvent("textInput", true, true, 
>> > null, operation.replacement, 9, "en-US");
>> >   this.domNode.focus();
>> >   
>> > this.domNode.setSelectionRange(operation.cutStart,operation.cutEnd);
>> >   this.domNode.dispatchEvent(textEvent);
>> >   } else {
>> >   this.domNode.value = newText;
>> >   }
>> >
>> > IE11 has the initTextEvent method, and so calls the first code path. The 
>> > problem is that the value underlying the textarea is updated, but the 
>> > display is not updated to match.
>> >
>> > Best wishes
>> >
>> > Jeremy.
>> >
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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-05-01 Thread progetti

Jeremy

Many thanks. I DO grasp that some characters are "reserved" to enable other 
processes. But quote characters are very much part of normal writing. I am 
glad that I can write a Tiddler Title

  *Comments on the movie "Apocalypse Now" *

Simply, and without worry.

Josiah

On Sunday, 1 May 2016 16:36:01 UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi cmari & Josiah
>
> 1. Undo/Redo behaves in a couple of unexpected (to me) ways in Chrome:
> - With the Preview pane open, both the undo and redo buttons have to be 
> clicked twice in order to see the change reflected in the Preview pane.
> - Making this discovery caused me to notice that when I undo an extra time 
> (past what was "done" to begin with, but necessary in order to undo in the 
> preview pane), "undoundo" appears in the search bar. 
>
>
> Well spotted. It turns out to be tricky to fix due to the 
> browser-compatibility issues. With this and the earlier problem with 
> Firefox I’ve decided to remove the undo/redo buttons from the core. It 
> keeps things simpler, and saves a bit more space in the core.
>
> 2. I made an early transition to TW5 from twclassic precisely because 
> apostrophes in tiddler titles seemed to be ok (great for people's names, 
> book titles, etc), and I've never had any trouble with those titles in TW5. 
> So I found the new warning a bit ominous and have two questions:
> - Has something really changed with this version, or is this fair warning 
> about what has always been a risk? 
> - Although the prerelease notes say "Added 
>  a warning when 
> *creating 
> *tiddler titles containing troublesome characters", in fact, the warning 
> shows up any time I edit an existing tiddler with an apostrophe in its 
> title. Assuming my TW file is not going to blow up because of these already 
> existing tiddlers, would it be possible to suppress the warning (save 
> space) after the tiddler has been created? 
>
>
> I’ve removed the double and single quotes from the list of “bad 
> characters”, leaving square brackets, curly brackets and the vertical bar.
>
> I’ve updated the docs to note that the warning is shown when editing, not 
> just creating a tiddler.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> Although I don't tend to put a lot of content into tiddlers (hence my 
> focus on titles), I really like the Editor Toolbar - the "link" lookup is 
> going to be extremely useful - thanks!
> cmari
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, April 30, 2016 at 6:43:23 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> OK, after my disappointment recorded below, I came up with another 
>> approach and I think have now got things working on Internet Explorer 11: 
>>
>> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease 
>>
>> It needs thoroughly testing under other browsers too, but seems to work 
>> for me, 
>>
>> Best wishes 
>>
>> Jeremy. 
>>
>> > On 30 Apr 2016, at 12:06, Jeremy Ruston  wrote: 
>> > 
>> > Hi Andrew 
>> > 
>> >> Now in IE 11, the whole edit field now clears if you change views and 
>> also randomly. Something is wrong. It was working better. What changed? 
>> > 
>> > Nothing has changed in the code that updates the textarea. I think the 
>> problem that we’re seeing in IE11 with the textarea display not being 
>> updated is some kind of random bug. 
>> > 
>> > I’ve spent a few more hours investigating the problems with IE11 and 
>> once again I’m out of ideas; I’ve been repeatedly finding the same outdated 
>> information via searching Google, StackOverflow etc. 
>> > 
>> > The code in question is this part of framed.js: 
>> > 
>> > // Attempt to use a TextEvent to modify the value of 
>> the control 
>> > var textEvent = 
>> this.domNode.ownerDocument.createEvent("TextEvent"); 
>> > if(textEvent.initTextEvent) { 
>> > textEvent.initTextEvent("textInput", true, 
>> true, null, operation.replacement, 9, "en-US"); 
>> > this.domNode.focus(); 
>> > 
>> 
>> this.domNode.setSelectionRange(operation.cutStart,operation.cutEnd); 
>>
>> > this.domNode.dispatchEvent(textEvent); 
>> > } else { 
>> > this.domNode.value = newText; 
>> > } 
>> > 
>> > IE11 has the initTextEvent method, and so calls the first code path. 
>> The problem is that the value underlying the textarea is updated, but the 
>> display is not updated to match. 
>> > 
>> > Best wishes 
>> > 
>> > Jeremy. 
>> > 
>> >> 
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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-05-01 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Hi Andrew

> I'm still getting the delete effect in Internet Explorer 11. Interestingly if 
> you click the edit button it shows "Type the text for this Tiddler" at the 
> beginning before all the text already in the tiddler and the preview window 
> initially shows a preview and then clears. I think it has something to do 
> with the new setText function in framed.js. It wasn't doing that before it 
> was merged from http://rich-text-editor.tiddlyspot.com/ 
> . It used to be called the 
> getEditInfo function and had a lot more to the function. Now Internet 
> Explorer hits it first and passes a value of null via text where as the other 
> browsers don't even seem to initially hit that function at all, maybe because 
> of focus. It is checking if it has focus and then it does this.domNode.value 
> = text; which deletes the text because at this point text has nothing in it. 
> Strange how it only does this in IE 11 and not Chrome or Edge.
> Please forgive me Jeremy if I am completely wrong.

Ah, a bit more poking around reveals that I was using the new fangled 
Metro-style version of IE11 under Windows 10 (I think it may be called Edge). 
That version does still seem to work fine, but if I switch to the ordinary IE11 
then I’m seeing the same problems as you describe. I’ll investigate further,

Many thanks,

Jeremy




> 
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 6:43 AM, Jeremy Ruston  > wrote:
> OK, after my disappointment recorded below, I came up with another approach 
> and I think have now got things working on Internet Explorer 11:
> 
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease 
> 
> It needs thoroughly testing under other browsers too, but seems to work for 
> me,
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy.
> 
> > On 30 Apr 2016, at 12:06, Jeremy Ruston  > > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Andrew
> >
> >> Now in IE 11, the whole edit field now clears if you change views and also 
> >> randomly. Something is wrong. It was working better. What changed?
> >
> > Nothing has changed in the code that updates the textarea. I think the 
> > problem that we’re seeing in IE11 with the textarea display not being 
> > updated is some kind of random bug.
> >
> > I’ve spent a few more hours investigating the problems with IE11 and once 
> > again I’m out of ideas; I’ve been repeatedly finding the same outdated 
> > information via searching Google, StackOverflow etc.
> >
> > The code in question is this part of framed.js:
> >
> >   // Attempt to use a TextEvent to modify the value of the 
> > control
> >   var textEvent = 
> > this.domNode.ownerDocument.createEvent("TextEvent");
> >   if(textEvent.initTextEvent) {
> >   textEvent.initTextEvent("textInput", true, true, 
> > null, operation.replacement, 9, "en-US");
> >   this.domNode.focus();
> >   
> > this.domNode.setSelectionRange(operation.cutStart,operation.cutEnd);
> >   this.domNode.dispatchEvent(textEvent);
> >   } else {
> >   this.domNode.value = newText;
> >   }
> >
> > IE11 has the initTextEvent method, and so calls the first code path. The 
> > problem is that the value underlying the textarea is updated, but the 
> > display is not updated to match.
> >
> > Best wishes
> >
> > Jeremy.
> >
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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-05-01 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Hi Josiah

> If you try looking at the MODALS DEMO under zoomin it is obscured by any 
> other tiddler open. (on firefox 45.0.2)

Good spot, thank you. Fixed for 5.1.12:

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/037cfb7cc7c1b32153e23774697e8a9045d8f36a

Best wishes

Jeremy

> 
> J. 
> 
> On Saturday, 23 April 2016 14:14:24 UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
> Now that the editor toolbar work is completed, I’d like to release TiddlyWiki 
> 5.1.12 in the next couple of days. I’d be very grateful for help with testing 
> this release; there are a lot of changes this time around which brings a 
> potential for things to go wrong. 
> 
> There’s a prerelease available for testing: 
> 
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease  
> 
> Please give it a try - be cautious about your personal data, and take careful 
> backups. Perform a test upgrade of your wikis and check for any problems: 
> 
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/upgrade.html 
>  
> 
> Please let me know if you spot any issues. This is a great time to submit 
> documentation updates but I’m afraid its too late for any further functional 
> changes. In particular if you have published TiddlyWiki resources that are 
> not currently linked from http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease 
>  do please consider submitting a pull 
> request. 
> 
> Best wishes 
> 
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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-05-01 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Hi cmari & Josiah

> 1. Undo/Redo behaves in a couple of unexpected (to me) ways in Chrome:
> - With the Preview pane open, both the undo and redo buttons have to be 
> clicked twice in order to see the change reflected in the Preview pane.
> - Making this discovery caused me to notice that when I undo an extra time 
> (past what was "done" to begin with, but necessary in order to undo in the 
> preview pane), "undoundo" appears in the search bar. 

Well spotted. It turns out to be tricky to fix due to the browser-compatibility 
issues. With this and the earlier problem with Firefox I’ve decided to remove 
the undo/redo buttons from the core. It keeps things simpler, and saves a bit 
more space in the core.

> 2. I made an early transition to TW5 from twclassic precisely because 
> apostrophes in tiddler titles seemed to be ok (great for people's names, book 
> titles, etc), and I've never had any trouble with those titles in TW5. So I 
> found the new warning a bit ominous and have two questions:
> - Has something really changed with this version, or is this fair warning 
> about what has always been a risk? 
> - Although the prerelease notes say "Added 
>  a warning when 
> creating tiddler titles containing troublesome characters", in fact, the 
> warning shows up any time I edit an existing tiddler with an apostrophe in 
> its title. Assuming my TW file is not going to blow up because of these 
> already existing tiddlers, would it be possible to suppress the warning (save 
> space) after the tiddler has been created? 

I’ve removed the double and single quotes from the list of “bad characters”, 
leaving square brackets, curly brackets and the vertical bar.

I’ve updated the docs to note that the warning is shown when editing, not just 
creating a tiddler.

Best wishes

Jeremy

> 
> Although I don't tend to put a lot of content into tiddlers (hence my focus 
> on titles), I really like the Editor Toolbar - the "link" lookup is going to 
> be extremely useful - thanks!
> cmari
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Saturday, April 30, 2016 at 6:43:23 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
> OK, after my disappointment recorded below, I came up with another approach 
> and I think have now got things working on Internet Explorer 11: 
> 
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease  
> 
> It needs thoroughly testing under other browsers too, but seems to work for 
> me, 
> 
> Best wishes 
> 
> Jeremy. 
> 
> > On 30 Apr 2016, at 12:06, Jeremy Ruston > 
> > wrote: 
> > 
> > Hi Andrew 
> > 
> >> Now in IE 11, the whole edit field now clears if you change views and also 
> >> randomly. Something is wrong. It was working better. What changed? 
> > 
> > Nothing has changed in the code that updates the textarea. I think the 
> > problem that we’re seeing in IE11 with the textarea display not being 
> > updated is some kind of random bug. 
> > 
> > I’ve spent a few more hours investigating the problems with IE11 and once 
> > again I’m out of ideas; I’ve been repeatedly finding the same outdated 
> > information via searching Google, StackOverflow etc. 
> > 
> > The code in question is this part of framed.js: 
> > 
> > // Attempt to use a TextEvent to modify the value of the 
> > control 
> > var textEvent = 
> > this.domNode.ownerDocument.createEvent("TextEvent"); 
> > if(textEvent.initTextEvent) { 
> > textEvent.initTextEvent("textInput", true, true, 
> > null, operation.replacement, 9, "en-US"); 
> > this.domNode.focus(); 
> > 
> > this.domNode.setSelectionRange(operation.cutStart,operation.cutEnd); 
> > this.domNode.dispatchEvent(textEvent); 
> > } else { 
> > this.domNode.value = newText; 
> > } 
> > 
> > IE11 has the initTextEvent method, and so calls the first code path. The 
> > problem is that the value underlying the textarea is updated, but the 
> > display is not updated to match. 
> > 
> > Best wishes 
> > 
> > Jeremy. 
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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-04-30 Thread progetti






cmari I concur on point (2) 






cmari I concur on point (2)


On Saturday, 30 April 2016 20:34:41 UTC+2, cmari wrote:
>
> Note/questions from a non-expert (as illustrated by the fact that I'm 
> going to have to wait for more clever people to demonstrate/document what 
> can be done with sticky notes and list-children, because I have no clue!):
>
> 1. Undo/Redo behaves in a couple of unexpected (to me) ways in Chrome:
> - With the Preview pane open, both the undo and redo buttons have to be 
> clicked twice in order to see the change reflected in the Preview pane.
> - Making this discovery caused me to notice that when I undo an extra time 
> (past what was "done" to begin with, but necessary in order to undo in the 
> preview pane), "undoundo" appears in the search bar. 
>
> 2. I made an early transition to TW5 from twclassic precisely because 
> apostrophes in tiddler titles seemed to be ok (great for people's names, 
> book titles, etc), and I've never had any trouble with those titles in TW5. 
> So I found the new warning a bit ominous and have two questions:
> - Has something really changed with this version, or is this fair warning 
> about what has always been a risk? 
> - Although the prerelease notes say "Added 
>  a warning when 
> *creating 
> *tiddler titles containing troublesome characters", in fact, the warning 
> shows up any time I edit an existing tiddler with an apostrophe in its 
> title. Assuming my TW file is not going to blow up because of these already 
> existing tiddlers, would it be possible to suppress the warning (save 
> space) after the tiddler has been created? 
>
> Although I don't tend to put a lot of content into tiddlers (hence my 
> focus on titles), I really like the Editor Toolbar - the "link" lookup is 
> going to be extremely useful - thanks!
> cmari
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, April 30, 2016 at 6:43:23 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> OK, after my disappointment recorded below, I came up with another 
>> approach and I think have now got things working on Internet Explorer 11: 
>>
>> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease 
>>
>> It needs thoroughly testing under other browsers too, but seems to work 
>> for me, 
>>
>> Best wishes 
>>
>> Jeremy. 
>>
>> > On 30 Apr 2016, at 12:06, Jeremy Ruston  wrote: 
>> > 
>> > Hi Andrew 
>> > 
>> >> Now in IE 11, the whole edit field now clears if you change views and 
>> also randomly. Something is wrong. It was working better. What changed? 
>> > 
>> > Nothing has changed in the code that updates the textarea. I think the 
>> problem that we’re seeing in IE11 with the textarea display not being 
>> updated is some kind of random bug. 
>> > 
>> > I’ve spent a few more hours investigating the problems with IE11 and 
>> once again I’m out of ideas; I’ve been repeatedly finding the same outdated 
>> information via searching Google, StackOverflow etc. 
>> > 
>> > The code in question is this part of framed.js: 
>> > 
>> > // Attempt to use a TextEvent to modify the value of 
>> the control 
>> > var textEvent = 
>> this.domNode.ownerDocument.createEvent("TextEvent"); 
>> > if(textEvent.initTextEvent) { 
>> > textEvent.initTextEvent("textInput", true, 
>> true, null, operation.replacement, 9, "en-US"); 
>> > this.domNode.focus(); 
>> > 
>> 
>> this.domNode.setSelectionRange(operation.cutStart,operation.cutEnd); 
>>
>> > this.domNode.dispatchEvent(textEvent); 
>> > } else { 
>> > this.domNode.value = newText; 
>> > } 
>> > 
>> > IE11 has the initTextEvent method, and so calls the first code path. 
>> The problem is that the value underlying the textarea is updated, but the 
>> display is not updated to match. 
>> > 
>> > Best wishes 
>> > 
>> > Jeremy. 
>> > 
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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-04-30 Thread cmari

Note/questions from a non-expert (as illustrated by the fact that I'm going 
to have to wait for more clever people to demonstrate/document what can be 
done with sticky notes and list-children, because I have no clue!):

1. Undo/Redo behaves in a couple of unexpected (to me) ways in Chrome:
- With the Preview pane open, both the undo and redo buttons have to be 
clicked twice in order to see the change reflected in the Preview pane.
- Making this discovery caused me to notice that when I undo an extra time 
(past what was "done" to begin with, but necessary in order to undo in the 
preview pane), "undoundo" appears in the search bar. 

2. I made an early transition to TW5 from twclassic precisely because 
apostrophes in tiddler titles seemed to be ok (great for people's names, 
book titles, etc), and I've never had any trouble with those titles in TW5. 
So I found the new warning a bit ominous and have two questions:
- Has something really changed with this version, or is this fair warning 
about what has always been a risk? 
- Although the prerelease notes say "Added 
 a warning when *creating 
*tiddler titles containing troublesome characters", in fact, the warning 
shows up any time I edit an existing tiddler with an apostrophe in its 
title. Assuming my TW file is not going to blow up because of these already 
existing tiddlers, would it be possible to suppress the warning (save 
space) after the tiddler has been created? 

Although I don't tend to put a lot of content into tiddlers (hence my focus 
on titles), I really like the Editor Toolbar - the "link" lookup is going 
to be extremely useful - thanks!
cmari




On Saturday, April 30, 2016 at 6:43:23 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> OK, after my disappointment recorded below, I came up with another 
> approach and I think have now got things working on Internet Explorer 11: 
>
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease 
>
> It needs thoroughly testing under other browsers too, but seems to work 
> for me, 
>
> Best wishes 
>
> Jeremy. 
>
> > On 30 Apr 2016, at 12:06, Jeremy Ruston  > wrote: 
> > 
> > Hi Andrew 
> > 
> >> Now in IE 11, the whole edit field now clears if you change views and 
> also randomly. Something is wrong. It was working better. What changed? 
> > 
> > Nothing has changed in the code that updates the textarea. I think the 
> problem that we’re seeing in IE11 with the textarea display not being 
> updated is some kind of random bug. 
> > 
> > I’ve spent a few more hours investigating the problems with IE11 and 
> once again I’m out of ideas; I’ve been repeatedly finding the same outdated 
> information via searching Google, StackOverflow etc. 
> > 
> > The code in question is this part of framed.js: 
> > 
> > // Attempt to use a TextEvent to modify the value of the 
> control 
> > var textEvent = 
> this.domNode.ownerDocument.createEvent("TextEvent"); 
> > if(textEvent.initTextEvent) { 
> > textEvent.initTextEvent("textInput", true, true, 
> null, operation.replacement, 9, "en-US"); 
> > this.domNode.focus(); 
> > 
> 
> this.domNode.setSelectionRange(operation.cutStart,operation.cutEnd); 
>
> > this.domNode.dispatchEvent(textEvent); 
> > } else { 
> > this.domNode.value = newText; 
> > } 
> > 
> > IE11 has the initTextEvent method, and so calls the first code path. The 
> problem is that the value underlying the textarea is updated, but the 
> display is not updated to match. 
> > 
> > Best wishes 
> > 
> > Jeremy. 
> > 
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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-04-30 Thread andrew harrison

I'm still getting the delete effect in Internet Explorer 11. Interestingly
if you click the edit button it shows "Type the text for this Tiddler" at
the beginning before all the text already in the tiddler and the preview
window initially shows a preview and then clears. I think it has something
to do with the new setText function in framed.js. It wasn't doing that
before it was merged from http://rich-text-editor.tiddlyspot.com/. It used
to be called the getEditInfo function and had a lot more to the function.
Now Internet Explorer hits it first and passes a value of null via text
where as the other browsers don't even seem to initially hit that function
at all, maybe because of focus. It is checking if it has focus and then it
does this.domNode.value = text; which deletes the text because at this
point text has nothing in it. Strange how it only does this in IE 11 and
not Chrome or Edge.
Please forgive me Jeremy if I am completely wrong.

On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 6:43 AM, Jeremy Ruston 
wrote:

> OK, after my disappointment recorded below, I came up with another
> approach and I think have now got things working on Internet Explorer 11:
>
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
>
> It needs thoroughly testing under other browsers too, but seems to work
> for me,
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
> > On 30 Apr 2016, at 12:06, Jeremy Ruston  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Andrew
> >
> >> Now in IE 11, the whole edit field now clears if you change views and
> also randomly. Something is wrong. It was working better. What changed?
> >
> > Nothing has changed in the code that updates the textarea. I think the
> problem that we’re seeing in IE11 with the textarea display not being
> updated is some kind of random bug.
> >
> > I’ve spent a few more hours investigating the problems with IE11 and
> once again I’m out of ideas; I’ve been repeatedly finding the same outdated
> information via searching Google, StackOverflow etc.
> >
> > The code in question is this part of framed.js:
> >
> >   // Attempt to use a TextEvent to modify the value of the
> control
> >   var textEvent =
> this.domNode.ownerDocument.createEvent("TextEvent");
> >   if(textEvent.initTextEvent) {
> >   textEvent.initTextEvent("textInput", true, true,
> null, operation.replacement, 9, "en-US");
> >   this.domNode.focus();
> >
>  this.domNode.setSelectionRange(operation.cutStart,operation.cutEnd);
> >   this.domNode.dispatchEvent(textEvent);
> >   } else {
> >   this.domNode.value = newText;
> >   }
> >
> > IE11 has the initTextEvent method, and so calls the first code path. The
> problem is that the value underlying the textarea is updated, but the
> display is not updated to match.
> >
> > Best wishes
> >
> > Jeremy.
> >
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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-04-30 Thread Mat

Jeremy,

Stamping:[...]
>
> Sorry Mat, can you be a bit clearer; I clicked through to QuickTid but 
> didn’t see a button labelled “Content”. Perhaps you can just show the code 
> that you want me to see?
>

Well, the actual code is a likely not pretty (tiddler TidSec/Tool/Content 
) but the 
functionality is seen using the Content button which should be found in the 
QuickTid toolbar - i.e you click the thumbtack and, well, the button is 
there next to the Done buttons.

Link
> IMO, the user should be able to create a link to a not yet existing 
> tiddler. I.e if Foo doesn't exist as a selectable title, there's some kind 
> of "make" button that stamps [[Foo]] - or, perhaps more elegantly, just 
> clicking enter creates it.
>
>
> Perhaps. It seems a bit roundabout to use the ‘link’ tool to create a link 
> to a non-existent tiddler, since the whole raison d’etre of the tool is to 
> permit searching of existing tiddlers.
>

I interpreted the raison d'etre is to be able to create links generally? 
Not a difficult task but with the suggested funtionality, one can create a 
missing link right away both in the case of wanting to do that to begin 
with or in the case of not finding the title one was hoping for.
 

> Button layout
> The backticks button appears grouped (slightly left distanced) with X2 
> rather than blockticks. 
>
>
> That’s intentional; the tools are now divided into groups. I’ll increase 
> the spacing so that people don’t think it’s accidental.
>

Ok, I figured it belongs more with the group on its right than on its left. 

Tooltips
> I feel (now) it would be valuable to see the name of the tool as a tooltip 
> so it is easier to reference it such as when writing about them here on the 
> boards.
>
>
> Can you give an example of a tool where the current tooltip doesn’t 
> include words that could be used to describe the tool here?
>

Ok, disregard thsi. No tooltips showed at all and I now suspect this was 
due to my computer/browser because there have been other browser issues for 
me lately. On computer reboot the tooltips now look good and sufficient.
 

Setting tools [...]
>
>
> That sounds like an optimisation. I’d be concerned about clutter, and I’m 
> not really convinced that people need to be regularly switching toolbar 
> buttons on and off.
>

Sorry, my misunderstanding, please forget about it! I didn't realize the 
unchecked buttons appear in the More menu but thought one was forced into 
Ctrlpanel to use a turned off formatting button.
 

> Markdown editor (yay!):
> Instead of a *page controll* button to open a tiddler with that special 
> editor, I think it would be much better with a toggle button showing in 
> tiddler edit view - either appearing just like one of the other buttons, 
> but at one of the extreme ends - maybe even out in the (left) gutter.
>
>
> I think you’re suggesting two separate things here:
>
> * Move the tiddler type controls into the toolbar. The obstacle here is 
> that not all editor types support the toolbar, so one would lose the 
> ability to change the type for those tiddlers
>

No, I am only referring to the "Create a new Markdown tiddler " button. I'm 
suggesting it is enough with the usual "Create a new tiddler" button and 
then, in the text editor toolbar, instead have a button to toggle between 
those tiddler types that do feature different editor toolbars.
 

> Clicking the more(?) button opens empty popup.
>
> In situations where there are no hidden toolbar buttons then the more 
> dropdown will be empty. You see the same thing with the more button in the 
> view template or in the sidebar when the dropdown is empty.
>

Ah. That's a bit confusing to me. Particularly if default is to have it 
empty as it is in the prerelease.
 

> I see no mention of DesignWrite.
> And IMO at least the conversations between you and prof. Steve could be 
> linked to in the Videos tiddler.
>
> Good point,
>

(ah, at least I managed  to make something made sense, hehe ;-) 


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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-04-30 Thread Sylvain Naudin




Hi Jeremy,

I've notice that wikibar for Markdown is shorter than WikiText, for example 
there is no underline icon, but on prerelease notes we can suppose it does 
(*with 
support for Markdown*)

Maybe a bug with bullet and number list with Markddown ? Not seen this in 
WikiText.



I'm very happy like others fr this huge release for TiddlyWiki :)

Regards,
Sylvain


@Xavier : you have new wikitext link to translate in french :p


Le vendredi 29 avril 2016 20:24:55 UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston a écrit :
>
> I’ve just uploaded an update to the prerelease with a new “link” button 
> for the editor toolbar, along the lines suggested by Alex below:
>
> * Click the button to search for the target tiddler
> ** The dropdown search shares the same extensible tab system as the 
> sidebar search
> * Click the title of the tiddler to insert the link
> * If there is no selection, a plain [[link]] is created
> * If there is selected text, a [[selected text|link]] is created
>
> As part of the work, I’ve also added a new way to invoke action widgets 
> that allows them to be used with the select widget and the linkcatcher 
> widget:
>
>
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#ActionWidgets:ActionWidgets%20SelectWidget
>
> I’m still keen to release 5.1.12 in the next few days, so please do keep 
> the feedback coming,
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> I am on the iPad  Just wondered if the edit toolbar would benefit from 
> a [[link]] button.
>
>
> Good point. One could imagine a dropdown that showed a search dialogue; 
> clicking a result would paste the link at the cursor position. I’ll have a 
> look if I have time, but would suggest that it would be a neat little self 
> contained improvement if anybody else wants to give it a try. Bonus points 
> for re-using the existing search infrastructure (so that the dropdown shows 
> the optional search result tabs).
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> Best wishes 
>
> Alex
>
> On Sunday, 24 April 2016, Pau Deluca > 
> wrote:
>
>> I've now seen the shortcut editor. It's just great.
>>
>> Regarding translation plugin, I just have a doubt. I see the new 
>> translatable strings on the translators edition. Ok so far, but: 
>>
>> The already translated strings belong to the existing 5.1.11 version, 
>> which I have already revised for version 5.1.12 and I am now testing while 
>> translating the documentation.
>>
>> How could I manage to have those strings I  already have revised (present 
>> in languages/es-ES in my translation es-ES GitHub branch)? 
>>
>> I think I could just translate the new strings and leave the old ones 
>> untouched, then extract all the tiddlers and merge the new output folder 
>> with those already in languages/es-ES, refusing to replace the already 
>> existing files, but I would like to be sure if there is a simpler way I am 
>> jut overlooking.
>>
>> P.-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I've polished the translation
>>
>> El domingo, 24 de abril de 2016, 14:26:49 (UTC+2), Jeremy Ruston escribió:
>>>
>>> Hi Pau
>>>
>>> a) Ctrl-P shortcut toggles off the preview only. When trying to toggle 
>>> the preview back, the shortcut collides with with the system shortcut, 
>>> opening the print dialog. Would it be possible to make it e.g. Ctrl-Mays-P? 
>>> Any possibility to customise the shortcuts in the editor to better adapt 
>>> to, eg, different localisation standards? 
>>>
>>>
>>> Good point, Ctrl-P probably isn’t a good choice. I’ll change it to 
>>> Alt-P.  However, a problem remains: after using the shortcut, the editor no 
>>> longer has the focus so further keyboard shortcuts aren’t recognised. I 
>>> don’t have a fix for this at the moment.
>>>
>>> There is a full shortcut editor in the control panel, by the way.
>>>
>>> b) I see a lot of work ahead in my domain (i.e., documentation and 
>>> translation). Is the prerelease translators plugin also updated with the 
>>> new strings yet? 
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, it is up to date.
>>>
>>> c) Just whistle in case the documentation of the new features needs to 
>>> be written. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks! There are many holes in the documentation, and much to do,
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> Jeremy
>>>
>>>
>>> P.-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> El sábado, 23 de abril de 2016, 14:14:24 (UTC+2), Jeremy Ruston escribió:

 Now that the editor toolbar work is completed, I’d like to release 
 TiddlyWiki 5.1.12 in the next couple of days. I’d be very grateful for 
 help 
 with testing this release; there are a lot of changes this time around 
 which brings a potential for things to go wrong. 

 There’s a prerelease available for testing: 

 http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease 
 
  

 Please give it a try - be cautious about your personal data,

Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-04-30 Thread Jeremy Ruston

OK, after my disappointment recorded below, I came up with another approach and 
I think have now got things working on Internet Explorer 11:

http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease

It needs thoroughly testing under other browsers too, but seems to work for me,

Best wishes

Jeremy.

> On 30 Apr 2016, at 12:06, Jeremy Ruston  wrote:
> 
> Hi Andrew
> 
>> Now in IE 11, the whole edit field now clears if you change views and also 
>> randomly. Something is wrong. It was working better. What changed?
> 
> Nothing has changed in the code that updates the textarea. I think the 
> problem that we’re seeing in IE11 with the textarea display not being updated 
> is some kind of random bug.
> 
> I’ve spent a few more hours investigating the problems with IE11 and once 
> again I’m out of ideas; I’ve been repeatedly finding the same outdated 
> information via searching Google, StackOverflow etc.
> 
> The code in question is this part of framed.js:
> 
>   // Attempt to use a TextEvent to modify the value of the control
>   var textEvent = 
> this.domNode.ownerDocument.createEvent("TextEvent");
>   if(textEvent.initTextEvent) {
>   textEvent.initTextEvent("textInput", true, true, null, 
> operation.replacement, 9, "en-US");
>   this.domNode.focus();
>   
> this.domNode.setSelectionRange(operation.cutStart,operation.cutEnd);
>   this.domNode.dispatchEvent(textEvent);
>   } else {
>   this.domNode.value = newText;
>   }
> 
> IE11 has the initTextEvent method, and so calls the first code path. The 
> problem is that the value underlying the textarea is updated, but the display 
> is not updated to match.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy.
> 
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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-04-30 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Hi Mat

> Stamping:
> I've implemented a stamping tool in QuickTid 
>  (the button called "Content"). One feature 
> of it is that some snips can surround already typed content. This is useful 
> e.g when stamping html tags (start and end) but also to, say, in one go stamp 
> both Hello and a Goodbye+signature. The Example with prepost 
>  
> is intended to illustrate this and how it works (see edit mode).

Sorry Mat, can you be a bit clearer; I clicked through to QuickTid but didn’t 
see a button labelled “Content”. Perhaps you can just show the code that you 
want me to see?

> Link
> IMO, the user should be able to create a link to a not yet existing tiddler. 
> I.e if Foo doesn't exist as a selectable title, there's some kind of "make" 
> button that stamps [[Foo]] - or, perhaps more elegantly, just clicking enter 
> creates it.

Perhaps. It seems a bit roundabout to use the ‘link’ tool to create a link to a 
non-existent tiddler, since the whole raison d’etre of the tool is to permit 
searching of existing tiddlers.

> ...and, btw, the X button for the Link tool would be prettier if it looked 
> like e.g the search tool X button.

Yes.

> Button layout
> The backticks button appears grouped (slightly left distanced) with X2 rather 
> than blockticks. 

That’s intentional; the tools are now divided into groups. I’ll increase the 
spacing so that people don’t think it’s accidental.

> Tooltips
> I feel (now) it would be valuable to see the name of the tool as a tooltip so 
> it is easier to reference it such as when writing about them here on the 
> boards.

Can you give an example of a tool where the current tooltip doesn’t include 
words that could be used to describe the tool here?

> Setting tools
> It is very rare that I use, say subscript or superscript. It is not 
> convenient to have have it appear all the time or to have it disabled and 
> then be forced to go deep into the Ctrlpanel to activate it, (possibly even 
> just for a few seconds). I would strongly suggest a setting accessed 
> tiddler-locally, perhaps a popup like the more button, floating to extreme 
> right. (I've expressed similar opinions before regarding local controls of 
> things, but for the text editor toolbuttons this is even more relevant 
> because of the number of buttons and how infrequently some are used.)

That sounds like an optimisation. I’d be concerned about clutter, and I’m not 
really convinced that people need to be regularly switching toolbar buttons on 
and off.

> Markdown editor (yay!):
> Instead of a page controll button to open a tiddler with that special editor, 
> I think it would be much better with a toggle button showing in tiddler edit 
> view - either appearing just like one of the other buttons, but at one of the 
> extreme ends - maybe even out in the (left) gutter.

I think you’re suggesting two separate things here:

* Move the tiddler type controls into the toolbar. The obstacle here is that 
not all editor types support the toolbar, so one would lose the ability to 
change the type for those tiddlers
* Have a separate button for each type, rather a dropdown (this seems less 
scalable than a dropdown)

Overall, I’m confused why one would want to optimise changing the type of an 
existing tiddler; isn’t specifying the type of a new tiddler more common?

> Clicking the more(?) button opens empty popup.

In situations where there are no hidden toolbar buttons then the more dropdown 
will be empty. You see the same thing with the more button in the view template 
or in the sidebar when the dropdown is empty.

> Minor
> ctrlpanel > Appearance > Toolbars > ViewToolbar ... seems to be missing icon 
> for bottom most item.\

That last item is the “fold bar” introduced a few releases ago. It doesn’t 
appear as an icon, which is why there’s no icon shown.

> I see no mention of DesignWrite.
> And IMO at least the conversations between you and prof. Steve could be 
> linked to in the Videos tiddler.

Good point,

Best wishes

Jeremy

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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-04-30 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Hi Andrew

> Now in IE 11, the whole edit field now clears if you change views and also 
> randomly. Something is wrong. It was working better. What changed?

Nothing has changed in the code that updates the textarea. I think the problem 
that we’re seeing in IE11 with the textarea display not being updated is some 
kind of random bug.

I’ve spent a few more hours investigating the problems with IE11 and once again 
I’m out of ideas; I’ve been repeatedly finding the same outdated information 
via searching Google, StackOverflow etc.

The code in question is this part of framed.js:

// Attempt to use a TextEvent to modify the value of the control
var textEvent = 
this.domNode.ownerDocument.createEvent("TextEvent");
if(textEvent.initTextEvent) {
textEvent.initTextEvent("textInput", true, true, null, 
operation.replacement, 9, "en-US");
this.domNode.focus();

this.domNode.setSelectionRange(operation.cutStart,operation.cutEnd);
this.domNode.dispatchEvent(textEvent);
} else {
this.domNode.value = newText;
}

IE11 has the initTextEvent method, and so calls the first code path. The 
problem is that the value underlying the textarea is updated, but the display 
is not updated to match.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-04-29 Thread Andrew

Now in IE 11, the whole edit field now clears if you change views and also 
randomly. Something is wrong. It was working better. What changed?

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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-04-29 Thread andrew harrison

Eeek, I have a serious problem now with the prerelease in IE 11, the whole
edit field now disappears if you change views and also randomly. Something
is wrong.

On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 3:33 PM, Alex Hough  wrote:

> This release is looking shaping up to be a real milestone. the next
> hangout is hangout 100, it seems to me at least that there should be some
> kind of celebration.
>
> Best wishes
>
>
> Alex
>
>
> On Friday, 29 April 2016, Mat  wrote:
>
>> Jeremy, and everyone who is contributing - thank you for fantastic
>> creations!
>>
>> Some feedback
>>
>> Stamping:
>> I've implemented a stamping tool in QuickTid
>>  (the button called "Content"). One
>> feature of it is that some snips can *surround* already typed content.
>> This is useful e.g when stamping html tags (start and end) but also to,
>> say, in one go stamp both Hello and a Goodbye+signature. The Example
>> with prepost
>> 
>> is intended to illustrate this and how it works (see edit mode).
>>
>> Link
>> IMO, the user should be able to create a link to a not yet existing
>> tiddler. I.e if Foo doesn't exist as a selectable title, there's some kind
>> of "make" button that stamps [[Foo]] - or, perhaps more elegantly, just
>> clicking enter creates it.
>>
>> ...and, btw, the X button for the Link tool would be prettier if it
>> looked like e.g the search tool X button.
>>
>> Button layout
>> The backticks button appears grouped (slightly left distanced) with X2
>> rather than blockticks.
>>
>> Tooltips
>> I feel (now) it would be valuable to see the name of the tool as a
>> tooltip so it is easier to reference it such as when writing about them
>> here on the boards.
>>
>> Setting tools
>> It is very rare that I use, say subscript or superscript. It is not
>> convenient to have have it appear all the time or to have it disabled and
>> then be forced to go deep into the Ctrlpanel to activate it, (possibly even
>> just for a few seconds). I would strongly suggest a setting accessed
>> tiddler-locally, perhaps a popup like the more button, floating to extreme
>> right. (I've expressed similar opinions before regarding local controls of
>> things, but for the text editor toolbuttons this is even more relevant
>> because of the number of buttons and how infrequently some are used.)
>>
>>
>> Markdown editor (yay!):
>> Instead of a *page controll* button to open a tiddler with that special
>> editor, I think it would be much better with a toggle button showing in
>> tiddler edit view - either appearing just like one of the other buttons,
>> but at one of the extreme ends - maybe even out in the (left) gutter.
>>
>> Clicking the more(?) button opens empty popup.
>>
>>
>> Minor
>> ctrlpanel > Appearance > Toolbars > ViewToolbar ... seems to be missing
>> icon for bottom most item.
>>
>>
>> I see no mention of DesignWrite.
>> And IMO at least the conversations between you and prof. Steve could be
>> linked to in the Videos tiddler.
>>
>>
>> <:-)
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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-04-29 Thread Alex Hough

This release is looking shaping up to be a real milestone. the next hangout
is hangout 100, it seems to me at least that there should be some kind of
celebration.

Best wishes


Alex

On Friday, 29 April 2016, Mat  wrote:

> Jeremy, and everyone who is contributing - thank you for fantastic
> creations!
>
> Some feedback
>
> Stamping:
> I've implemented a stamping tool in QuickTid
>  (the button called "Content"). One
> feature of it is that some snips can *surround* already typed content.
> This is useful e.g when stamping html tags (start and end) but also to,
> say, in one go stamp both Hello and a Goodbye+signature. The Example with
> prepost
> 
> is intended to illustrate this and how it works (see edit mode).
>
> Link
> IMO, the user should be able to create a link to a not yet existing
> tiddler. I.e if Foo doesn't exist as a selectable title, there's some kind
> of "make" button that stamps [[Foo]] - or, perhaps more elegantly, just
> clicking enter creates it.
>
> ...and, btw, the X button for the Link tool would be prettier if it looked
> like e.g the search tool X button.
>
> Button layout
> The backticks button appears grouped (slightly left distanced) with X2
> rather than blockticks.
>
> Tooltips
> I feel (now) it would be valuable to see the name of the tool as a tooltip
> so it is easier to reference it such as when writing about them here on the
> boards.
>
> Setting tools
> It is very rare that I use, say subscript or superscript. It is not
> convenient to have have it appear all the time or to have it disabled and
> then be forced to go deep into the Ctrlpanel to activate it, (possibly even
> just for a few seconds). I would strongly suggest a setting accessed
> tiddler-locally, perhaps a popup like the more button, floating to extreme
> right. (I've expressed similar opinions before regarding local controls of
> things, but for the text editor toolbuttons this is even more relevant
> because of the number of buttons and how infrequently some are used.)
>
>
> Markdown editor (yay!):
> Instead of a *page controll* button to open a tiddler with that special
> editor, I think it would be much better with a toggle button showing in
> tiddler edit view - either appearing just like one of the other buttons,
> but at one of the extreme ends - maybe even out in the (left) gutter.
>
> Clicking the more(?) button opens empty popup.
>
>
> Minor
> ctrlpanel > Appearance > Toolbars > ViewToolbar ... seems to be missing
> icon for bottom most item.
>
>
> I see no mention of DesignWrite.
> And IMO at least the conversations between you and prof. Steve could be
> linked to in the Videos tiddler.
>
>
> <:-)
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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-04-29 Thread Mat

Jeremy, and everyone who is contributing - thank you for fantastic
creations!

Some feedback

Stamping:
I've implemented a stamping tool in QuickTid
(the button called "Content"). One
feature of it is that some snips can *surround* already typed content. This
is useful e.g when stamping html tags (start and end) but also to, say, in
one go stamp both Hello and a Goodbye+signature. The Example with prepost

is intended to illustrate this and how it works (see edit mode).

Link
IMO, the user should be able to create a link to a not yet existing
tiddler. I.e if Foo doesn't exist as a selectable title, there's some kind
of "make" button that stamps [[Foo]] - or, perhaps more elegantly, just
clicking enter creates it.

...and, btw, the X button for the Link tool would be prettier if it looked
like e.g the search tool X button.

Button layout
The backticks button appears grouped (slightly left distanced) with X2
rather than blockticks.

Tooltips
I feel (now) it would be valuable to see the name of the tool as a tooltip
so it is easier to reference it such as when writing about them here on the
boards.

Setting tools
It is very rare that I use, say subscript or superscript. It is not
convenient to have have it appear all the time or to have it disabled and
then be forced to go deep into the Ctrlpanel to activate it, (possibly even
just for a few seconds). I would strongly suggest a setting accessed
tiddler-locally, perhaps a popup like the more button, floating to extreme
right. (I've expressed similar opinions before regarding local controls of
things, but for the text editor toolbuttons this is even more relevant
because of the number of buttons and how infrequently some are used.)

Markdown editor (yay!):
Instead of a *page controll* button to open a tiddler with that special
editor, I think it would be much better with a toggle button showing in
tiddler edit view - either appearing just like one of the other buttons,
but at one of the extreme ends - maybe even out in the (left) gutter.

Clicking the more(?) button opens empty popup.

Minor
ctrlpanel > Appearance > Toolbars > ViewToolbar ... seems to be missing
icon for bottom most item.

I see no mention of DesignWrite.
And IMO at least the conversations between you and prof. Steve could be
linked to in the Videos tiddler.

<:-)

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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-04-29 Thread Jeremy Ruston

I’ve just uploaded an update to the prerelease with a new “link” button for the 
editor toolbar, along the lines suggested by Alex below:

* Click the button to search for the target tiddler
** The dropdown search shares the same extensible tab system as the sidebar 
search
* Click the title of the tiddler to insert the link
* If there is no selection, a plain [[link]] is created
* If there is selected text, a [[selected text|link]] is created

As part of the work, I’ve also added a new way to invoke action widgets that 
allows them to be used with the select widget and the linkcatcher widget:

http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#ActionWidgets:ActionWidgets%20SelectWidget

I’m still keen to release 5.1.12 in the next few days, so please do keep the 
feedback coming,

Best wishes

Jeremy


>> I am on the iPad  Just wondered if the edit toolbar would benefit from a 
>> [[link]] button.
> 
> Good point. One could imagine a dropdown that showed a search dialogue; 
> clicking a result would paste the link at the cursor position. I’ll have a 
> look if I have time, but would suggest that it would be a neat little self 
> contained improvement if anybody else wants to give it a try. Bonus points 
> for re-using the existing search infrastructure (so that the dropdown shows 
> the optional search result tabs).
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy
> 
>> 
>> Best wishes 
>> 
>> Alex
>> 
>> On Sunday, 24 April 2016, Pau Deluca > > wrote:
>> I've now seen the shortcut editor. It's just great.
>> 
>> Regarding translation plugin, I just have a doubt. I see the new 
>> translatable strings on the translators edition. Ok so far, but: 
>> 
>> The already translated strings belong to the existing 5.1.11 version, which 
>> I have already revised for version 5.1.12 and I am now testing while 
>> translating the documentation.
>> 
>> How could I manage to have those strings I  already have revised (present in 
>> languages/es-ES in my translation es-ES GitHub branch)? 
>> 
>> I think I could just translate the new strings and leave the old ones 
>> untouched, then extract all the tiddlers and merge the new output folder 
>> with those already in languages/es-ES, refusing to replace the already 
>> existing files, but I would like to be sure if there is a simpler way I am 
>> jut overlooking.
>> 
>> P.-)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I've polished the translation
>> 
>> El domingo, 24 de abril de 2016, 14:26:49 (UTC+2), Jeremy Ruston escribió:
>> Hi Pau
>> 
>>> a) Ctrl-P shortcut toggles off the preview only. When trying to toggle the 
>>> preview back, the shortcut collides with with the system shortcut, opening 
>>> the print dialog. Would it be possible to make it e.g. Ctrl-Mays-P? Any 
>>> possibility to customise the shortcuts in the editor to better adapt to, 
>>> eg, different localisation standards? 
>> 
>> Good point, Ctrl-P probably isn’t a good choice. I’ll change it to Alt-P.  
>> However, a problem remains: after using the shortcut, the editor no longer 
>> has the focus so further keyboard shortcuts aren’t recognised. I don’t have 
>> a fix for this at the moment.
>> 
>> There is a full shortcut editor in the control panel, by the way.
>> 
>>> b) I see a lot of work ahead in my domain (i.e., documentation and 
>>> translation). Is the prerelease translators plugin also updated with the 
>>> new strings yet? 
>> 
>> Yes, it is up to date.
>> 
>>> c) Just whistle in case the documentation of the new features needs to be 
>>> written. 
>> 
>> Thanks! There are many holes in the documentation, and much to do,
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Jeremy
>> 
>>> 
>>> P.-)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> El sábado, 23 de abril de 2016, 14:14:24 (UTC+2), Jeremy Ruston escribió:
>>> Now that the editor toolbar work is completed, I’d like to release 
>>> TiddlyWiki 5.1.12 in the next couple of days. I’d be very grateful for help 
>>> with testing this release; there are a lot of changes this time around 
>>> which brings a potential for things to go wrong. 
>>> 
>>> There’s a prerelease available for testing: 
>>> 
>>> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Please give it a try - be cautious about your personal data, and take 
>>> careful backups. Perform a test upgrade of your wikis and check for any 
>>> problems: 
>>> 
>>> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/upgrade.html 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Please let me know if you spot any issues. This is a great time to submit 
>>> documentation updates but I’m afraid its too late for any further 
>>> functional changes. In particular if you have published TiddlyWiki 
>>> resources that are not currently linked from 
>>> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease  do 
>>> please consider submitt

Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-04-26 Thread Jon

Don't know if this would help:

http://snowgoon88.github.io/TW5-extendedit/
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tiddlywiki/tw5$20very$20useful|sort:date/tiddlywiki/ojCXpPWGTIY/SfaPlY4_IAAJ

Jon

On Tuesday, 26 April 2016 08:27:59 UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Alex
>
> I am on the iPad  Just wondered if the edit toolbar would benefit from 
> a [[link]] button.
>
>
> Good point. One could imagine a dropdown that showed a search dialogue; 
> clicking a result would paste the link at the cursor position. I’ll have a 
> look if I have time, but would suggest that it would be a neat little self 
> contained improvement if anybody else wants to give it a try. Bonus points 
> for re-using the existing search infrastructure (so that the dropdown shows 
> the optional search result tabs).
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> Best wishes 
>
> Alex
>
> On Sunday, 24 April 2016, Pau Deluca > 
> wrote:
>
>> I've now seen the shortcut editor. It's just great.
>>
>> Regarding translation plugin, I just have a doubt. I see the new 
>> translatable strings on the translators edition. Ok so far, but: 
>>
>> The already translated strings belong to the existing 5.1.11 version, 
>> which I have already revised for version 5.1.12 and I am now testing while 
>> translating the documentation.
>>
>> How could I manage to have those strings I  already have revised (present 
>> in languages/es-ES in my translation es-ES GitHub branch)? 
>>
>> I think I could just translate the new strings and leave the old ones 
>> untouched, then extract all the tiddlers and merge the new output folder 
>> with those already in languages/es-ES, refusing to replace the already 
>> existing files, but I would like to be sure if there is a simpler way I am 
>> jut overlooking.
>>
>> P.-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I've polished the translation
>>
>> El domingo, 24 de abril de 2016, 14:26:49 (UTC+2), Jeremy Ruston escribió:
>>>
>>> Hi Pau
>>>
>>> a) Ctrl-P shortcut toggles off the preview only. When trying to toggle 
>>> the preview back, the shortcut collides with with the system shortcut, 
>>> opening the print dialog. Would it be possible to make it e.g. Ctrl-Mays-P? 
>>> Any possibility to customise the shortcuts in the editor to better adapt 
>>> to, eg, different localisation standards? 
>>>
>>>
>>> Good point, Ctrl-P probably isn’t a good choice. I’ll change it to 
>>> Alt-P.  However, a problem remains: after using the shortcut, the editor no 
>>> longer has the focus so further keyboard shortcuts aren’t recognised. I 
>>> don’t have a fix for this at the moment.
>>>
>>> There is a full shortcut editor in the control panel, by the way.
>>>
>>> b) I see a lot of work ahead in my domain (i.e., documentation and 
>>> translation). Is the prerelease translators plugin also updated with the 
>>> new strings yet? 
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, it is up to date.
>>>
>>> c) Just whistle in case the documentation of the new features needs to 
>>> be written. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks! There are many holes in the documentation, and much to do,
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> Jeremy
>>>
>>>
>>> P.-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> El sábado, 23 de abril de 2016, 14:14:24 (UTC+2), Jeremy Ruston escribió:

 Now that the editor toolbar work is completed, I’d like to release 
 TiddlyWiki 5.1.12 in the next couple of days. I’d be very grateful for 
 help 
 with testing this release; there are a lot of changes this time around 
 which brings a potential for things to go wrong. 

 There’s a prerelease available for testing: 

 http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease 
 
  

 Please give it a try - be cautious about your personal data, and take 
 careful backups. Perform a test upgrade of your wikis and check for any 
 problems: 

 http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/upgrade.html 
 
  

 Please let me know if you spot any issues. This is a great time to 
 submit documentation updates but I’m afraid its too late for any further 
 functional changes. In particular if you have published TiddlyWiki 
 resources that are not currently linked from 
 http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease do please consider submitting a pull 
 request. 

 Best wishes 

 Jeremy
>>>
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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-04-26 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Hi Alex

> I am on the iPad  Just wondered if the edit toolbar would benefit from a 
> [[link]] button.

Good point. One could imagine a dropdown that showed a search dialogue; 
clicking a result would paste the link at the cursor position. I’ll have a look 
if I have time, but would suggest that it would be a neat little self contained 
improvement if anybody else wants to give it a try. Bonus points for re-using 
the existing search infrastructure (so that the dropdown shows the optional 
search result tabs).

Best wishes

Jeremy

> 
> Best wishes 
> 
> Alex
> 
> On Sunday, 24 April 2016, Pau Deluca  > wrote:
> I've now seen the shortcut editor. It's just great.
> 
> Regarding translation plugin, I just have a doubt. I see the new translatable 
> strings on the translators edition. Ok so far, but: 
> 
> The already translated strings belong to the existing 5.1.11 version, which I 
> have already revised for version 5.1.12 and I am now testing while 
> translating the documentation.
> 
> How could I manage to have those strings I  already have revised (present in 
> languages/es-ES in my translation es-ES GitHub branch)? 
> 
> I think I could just translate the new strings and leave the old ones 
> untouched, then extract all the tiddlers and merge the new output folder with 
> those already in languages/es-ES, refusing to replace the already existing 
> files, but I would like to be sure if there is a simpler way I am jut 
> overlooking.
> 
> P.-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I've polished the translation
> 
> El domingo, 24 de abril de 2016, 14:26:49 (UTC+2), Jeremy Ruston escribió:
> Hi Pau
> 
>> a) Ctrl-P shortcut toggles off the preview only. When trying to toggle the 
>> preview back, the shortcut collides with with the system shortcut, opening 
>> the print dialog. Would it be possible to make it e.g. Ctrl-Mays-P? Any 
>> possibility to customise the shortcuts in the editor to better adapt to, eg, 
>> different localisation standards? 
> 
> Good point, Ctrl-P probably isn’t a good choice. I’ll change it to Alt-P.  
> However, a problem remains: after using the shortcut, the editor no longer 
> has the focus so further keyboard shortcuts aren’t recognised. I don’t have a 
> fix for this at the moment.
> 
> There is a full shortcut editor in the control panel, by the way.
> 
>> b) I see a lot of work ahead in my domain (i.e., documentation and 
>> translation). Is the prerelease translators plugin also updated with the new 
>> strings yet? 
> 
> Yes, it is up to date.
> 
>> c) Just whistle in case the documentation of the new features needs to be 
>> written. 
> 
> Thanks! There are many holes in the documentation, and much to do,
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy
> 
>> 
>> P.-)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> El sábado, 23 de abril de 2016, 14:14:24 (UTC+2), Jeremy Ruston escribió:
>> Now that the editor toolbar work is completed, I’d like to release 
>> TiddlyWiki 5.1.12 in the next couple of days. I’d be very grateful for help 
>> with testing this release; there are a lot of changes this time around which 
>> brings a potential for things to go wrong. 
>> 
>> There’s a prerelease available for testing: 
>> 
>> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Please give it a try - be cautious about your personal data, and take 
>> careful backups. Perform a test upgrade of your wikis and check for any 
>> problems: 
>> 
>> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/upgrade.html 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Please let me know if you spot any issues. This is a great time to submit 
>> documentation updates but I’m afraid its too late for any further functional 
>> changes. In particular if you have published TiddlyWiki resources that are 
>> not currently linked from http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease 
>>  do please consider submitting a pull 
>> request. 
>> 
>> Best wishes 
>> 
>> Jeremy
>> 
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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-04-25 Thread Alex Hough

Jeremy,

I am on the iPad  Just wondered if the edit toolbar would benefit from
a [[link]] button.

Best wishes

Alex

On Sunday, 24 April 2016, Pau Deluca  wrote:

> I've now seen the shortcut editor. It's just great.
>
> Regarding translation plugin, I just have a doubt. I see the new
> translatable strings on the translators edition. Ok so far, but:
>
> The already translated strings belong to the existing 5.1.11 version,
> which I have already revised for version 5.1.12 and I am now testing while
> translating the documentation.
>
> How could I manage to have those strings I  already have revised (present
> in languages/es-ES in my translation es-ES GitHub branch)?
>
> I think I could just translate the new strings and leave the old ones
> untouched, then extract all the tiddlers and merge the new output folder
> with those already in languages/es-ES, refusing to replace the already
> existing files, but I would like to be sure if there is a simpler way I am
> jut overlooking.
>
> P.-)
>
>
>
>
>
> I've polished the translation
>
> El domingo, 24 de abril de 2016, 14:26:49 (UTC+2), Jeremy Ruston escribió:
>>
>> Hi Pau
>>
>> a) Ctrl-P shortcut toggles off the preview only. When trying to toggle
>> the preview back, the shortcut collides with with the system shortcut,
>> opening the print dialog. Would it be possible to make it e.g. Ctrl-Mays-P?
>> Any possibility to customise the shortcuts in the editor to better adapt
>> to, eg, different localisation standards?
>>
>>
>> Good point, Ctrl-P probably isn’t a good choice. I’ll change it to
>> Alt-P.  However, a problem remains: after using the shortcut, the editor no
>> longer has the focus so further keyboard shortcuts aren’t recognised. I
>> don’t have a fix for this at the moment.
>>
>> There is a full shortcut editor in the control panel, by the way.
>>
>> b) I see a lot of work ahead in my domain (i.e., documentation and
>> translation). Is the prerelease translators plugin also updated with the
>> new strings yet?
>>
>>
>> Yes, it is up to date.
>>
>> c) Just whistle in case the documentation of the new features needs to be
>> written.
>>
>>
>> Thanks! There are many holes in the documentation, and much to do,
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>> P.-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> El sábado, 23 de abril de 2016, 14:14:24 (UTC+2), Jeremy Ruston escribió:
>>>
>>> Now that the editor toolbar work is completed, I’d like to release
>>> TiddlyWiki 5.1.12 in the next couple of days. I’d be very grateful for help
>>> with testing this release; there are a lot of changes this time around
>>> which brings a potential for things to go wrong.
>>>
>>> There’s a prerelease available for testing:
>>>
>>> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
>>> 
>>>
>>> Please give it a try - be cautious about your personal data, and take
>>> careful backups. Perform a test upgrade of your wikis and check for any
>>> problems:
>>>
>>> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/upgrade.html
>>> 
>>>
>>> Please let me know if you spot any issues. This is a great time to
>>> submit documentation updates but I’m afraid its too late for any further
>>> functional changes. In particular if you have published TiddlyWiki
>>> resources that are not currently linked from
>>> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease do please consider submitting a pull
>>> request.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> Jeremy
>>
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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-04-24 Thread andrew harrison

I have done testing with Chrome and Microsoft Edge and the buttons perform
almost perfect. Internet Explorer 11 doesn't like any buttons that
use param="prefix-lines". I get error Object doesn't support property or
method 'repeat'. Apparently repeat() must not have been included yet in IE
11 and not until Edge. I can live with this and everyone else can also. I
can always create a plugin with modified buttons for IE11 if I really want
them using param="wrap-lines" and just include the prefix and
then suffix="". I feel this is going to be the biggest release since TW5.
I'm standing on my feet cheering.

On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 5:43 AM, Jeremy Ruston 
wrote:

> Hi Ton
>
> Many thanks. I’ve committed the changes here:
>
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/360ad9a1cc3a61ab24b8e253f070d7e7492860fc
>
> I’ve also updated the prerelease build, so you can see the new translation
> at:
>
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/editions/full/
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
>
> On 23 Apr 2016, at 20:13, Ton Gerner  wrote:
>
> The toolbar is a very nice addition; makes many of my bookmarklets
> superfluous ;-)
>
> The adjusted Dutch translation for TW5.1.12 can be found at
> http://tw5dutch.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ton
>
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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-04-24 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Hi Ton

Many thanks. I’ve committed the changes here:

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/360ad9a1cc3a61ab24b8e253f070d7e7492860fc

I’ve also updated the prerelease build, so you can see the new translation at:

http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/editions/full/

Best wishes

Jeremy.

> On 23 Apr 2016, at 20:13, Ton Gerner  wrote:
> 
> The toolbar is a very nice addition; makes many of my bookmarklets 
> superfluous ;-)
> 
> The adjusted Dutch translation for TW5.1.12 can be found at 
> http://tw5dutch.tiddlyspot.com/
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Ton
> 
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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

2016-04-23 Thread andrew harrison

Thank you so much Jeremy. I am still having trouble. The preview is still
loosing information and the formatting buttons are functioning differently
in Chrome, Internet Explorer 11 and Edge. I have an idea where to start
hacking at it but it may take me awhile to figure anything out. I see you
solved the disappearing preview, bravo. I don't know how much help I'll be.
My feeble attempts at doing the same were months of work and I never even
got close to where your toolbar is. Amazing work and it looks beautiful. I
can't wait to start showing everyone.

On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 5:14 AM, Jeremy Ruston 
wrote:

> Now that the editor toolbar work is completed, I’d like to release
> TiddlyWiki 5.1.12 in the next couple of days. I’d be very grateful for help
> with testing this release; there are a lot of changes this time around
> which brings a potential for things to go wrong.
>
> There’s a prerelease available for testing:
>
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
>
> Please give it a try - be cautious about your personal data, and take
> careful backups. Perform a test upgrade of your wikis and check for any
> problems:
>
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/upgrade.html
>
> Please let me know if you spot any issues. This is a great time to submit
> documentation updates but I’m afraid its too late for any further
> functional changes. In particular if you have published TiddlyWiki
> resources that are not currently linked from
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease do please consider submitting a pull
> request.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
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