Re: [tw] Re: TWC: Using TW as a musical scratchpad with BopLand.org services

[Rowan Corbett]

Hi Måns,
  Unfortunately it works the same for me locally. I'm not much of a coder, so I 
was hoping there just something I was doing wrong.
 I'll try doing a little research to see if I can find a workaround. :/

Rowan

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Re: [tw] Re: TWC: Using TW as a musical scratchpad with BopLand.org services

[Måns Mårtensson]

Hi Rowan

Thank you very much for publishing an example :-)
It doesn't render notes if you go into editmode and back again.
Same problem if you close the sample tiddler and open it again.
It behaves the same way in FF and Chrome.

Does it work on your local TW?

Cheers Måns Mårtensson

2016-02-22 6:11 GMT+01:00 Rowan Corbett :

> Hey Måns,
>
> Here's that example. I primarily use Chrome on Windows, but I can also
> confirm that it works in Internet Explorer and Safari on iPhone iOS 9.
>
> http://vexrecurved.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> Rowan
>
> On Sunday, February 21, 2016 at 4:36:32 AM UTC-5, Måns wrote:
>>
>> Hi Rowan
>>
>> >"Actually, Vextab is what I am most interested in. I've managed to get
>> it working by the same method used for Bopland."
>>
>> Great :-)
>>
>> Does it work on Chrome too? (As I recall BJ's example only worked on FF)
>> Would you mind sharing a working example on tiddlyspot?
>>
>> It would be great to have a music scratchpad in a TiddlyWIki again :-)
>>
>> At the moment I use MuseScore to create guitar tabs on a pc/mac.
>> I share interactive scores & videoscores on musescore.org.
>> It also provides an option to embed scores online. I do this in a
>> TiddlyWiki.
>> MuseScore can export to pdf, mp3's and images - so It is pretty straight
>> forward to have a collection of offline scores in a usable format.
>>
>> On mobile devices I use a musescore app to download, store, play and view
>> scores.
>> It is very stable and the workflow is seemless - all the way from
>> creating a score in the (free) MuseScore program on a pc/mac/linux box.
>> Here you can save a score directly to musescore.org. (up to 5 scores for
>> free).
>>
>> Cheers Måns Mårtensson
>>
>> Btw. I'm not affiliated with MuseScore in any way - just a happy
>> user/customer :-)
>>
>> 2016-02-21 6:37 GMT+01:00 Rowan Corbett :
>>
>>> Hey Måns!
>>>   Actually, Vextab is what I am most interested in. I've managed to get
>>> it working by the same method used for Bopland. My only problem now is that
>>> I can't use it without an Internet connection on my mobile devices.
>>>  Is there a way to include Vextab within the tiddlywiki itself rather
>>> than linking to it?
>>>
>>> Rowan
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Re: [tw] Re: TWC: Using TW as a musical scratchpad with BopLand.org services

[Rowan Corbett]

Hey Måns,

Here's that example. I primarily use Chrome on Windows, but I can also 
confirm that it works in Internet Explorer and Safari on iPhone iOS 9.

http://vexrecurved.tiddlyspot.com/

Rowan

On Sunday, February 21, 2016 at 4:36:32 AM UTC-5, Måns wrote:
>
> Hi Rowan
>
> >"Actually, Vextab is what I am most interested in. I've managed to get 
> it working by the same method used for Bopland."
>
> Great :-) 
>
> Does it work on Chrome too? (As I recall BJ's example only worked on FF)
> Would you mind sharing a working example on tiddlyspot?
>
> It would be great to have a music scratchpad in a TiddlyWIki again :-)
>
> At the moment I use MuseScore to create guitar tabs on a pc/mac. 
> I share interactive scores & videoscores on musescore.org.
> It also provides an option to embed scores online. I do this in a 
> TiddlyWiki.
> MuseScore can export to pdf, mp3's and images - so It is pretty straight 
> forward to have a collection of offline scores in a usable format. 
>  
> On mobile devices I use a musescore app to download, store, play and view 
> scores. 
> It is very stable and the workflow is seemless - all the way from creating 
> a score in the (free) MuseScore program on a pc/mac/linux box. Here you can 
> save a score directly to musescore.org. (up to 5 scores for free). 
>
> Cheers Måns Mårtensson
>
> Btw. I'm not affiliated with MuseScore in any way - just a happy 
> user/customer :-)
>
> 2016-02-21 6:37 GMT+01:00 Rowan Corbett  >:
>
>> Hey Måns!
>>   Actually, Vextab is what I am most interested in. I've managed to get 
>> it working by the same method used for Bopland. My only problem now is that 
>> I can't use it without an Internet connection on my mobile devices.
>>  Is there a way to include Vextab within the tiddlywiki itself rather 
>> than linking to it?
>>
>> Rowan
>>
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Re: [tw] Re: TWC: Using TW as a musical scratchpad with BopLand.org services

[BJ]

On Sunday, February 21, 2016 at 9:07:01 PM UTC, Måns wrote:
>
> Ah - sorry BJ. I mixed things up.. I was actually referring to your abc 
> example/prrof of concept, when I asked if Rowan's Vextab macro works on 
> Chrome...
>
> Do you say it is ok to create/publish a plugin which excludes the lib, 
> which has to be downloaded and added to TW by the end user - to make it 
> work offline? ( - not to conflict with the different licenses)
>
 
I think thats the way it works, the license is about re-distributing the 
lib (as well as usage in this case). 
 

> If I was the end user of the lib, a VexTab plugin (and TW of course) - 
> would the differences in licenses prevent me from publishing my personal TW 
> to the public? 
>
 
It would be the user (you in this case) who would have to comply with any 
restrictions of the license. If I remember correctly you would be able to 
use the license for non-commercial use. As you do want to be 
re-distributing the source it would be better to keep the lib as a separate 
file. 

>
> Abc looks promising even though it doesn't seem to be browser agnostic.
>
 
I think ABc works with chrome - its only my demo that's agnostic as chrome 
doesn't like html pages to download libs from github - as I do in this 
demo. 

>
> Cheers Måns Mårtensson
>
> 2016-02-21 12:45 GMT+01:00 BJ :
>
>> http://abcmusic.tiddlyspot.com/rHI folks,
>>
>> As can be seen from posts earlier in this thread, the license for vextab 
>> stops us from including it as a plugin. Having said that, there is nothing 
>> stop the writing of a plugin that interfaces to it and requiring the user 
>> to download the lib.  
>>
>> One alternative is the ABC system, which I made a proof of concept demo 
>> here:
>>
>> http://abcmusic.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>> there is a thread about it here:
>>
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/e3a8a3d1-29eb-4ec7-84a4-57b491487d12%40googlegroups.com
>>  
>> 
>>
>> all the best
>> BJ
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, February 21, 2016 at 9:36:32 AM UTC, Måns wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Rowan
>>>
>>> >"Actually, Vextab is what I am most interested in. I've managed to get 
>>> it working by the same method used for Bopland."
>>>
>>> Great :-) 
>>>
>>> Does it work on Chrome too? (As I recall BJ's example only worked on FF)
>>> Would you mind sharing a working example on tiddlyspot?
>>>
>>> It would be great to have a music scratchpad in a TiddlyWIki again :-)
>>>
>>> At the moment I use MuseScore to create guitar tabs on a pc/mac. 
>>> I share interactive scores & videoscores on musescore.org.
>>> It also provides an option to embed scores online. I do this in a 
>>> TiddlyWiki.
>>> MuseScore can export to pdf, mp3's and images - so It is pretty straight 
>>> forward to have a collection of offline scores in a usable format. 
>>>  
>>> On mobile devices I use a musescore app to download, store, play and 
>>> view scores. 
>>> It is very stable and the workflow is seemless - all the way from 
>>> creating a score in the (free) MuseScore program on a pc/mac/linux box. 
>>> Here you can save a score directly to musescore.org. (up to 5 scores 
>>> for free). 
>>>
>>> Cheers Måns Mårtensson
>>>
>>> Btw. I'm not affiliated with MuseScore in any way - just a happy 
>>> user/customer :-)
>>>
>>> 2016-02-21 6:37 GMT+01:00 Rowan Corbett :
>>>
 Hey Måns!
   Actually, Vextab is what I am most interested in. I've managed to get 
 it working by the same method used for Bopland. My only problem now is 
 that 
 I can't use it without an Internet connection on my mobile devices.
  Is there a way to include Vextab within the tiddlywiki itself rather 
 than linking to it?

 Rowan

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Re: [tw] Re: TWC: Using TW as a musical scratchpad with BopLand.org services

[Måns Mårtensson]

Ah - sorry BJ. I mixed things up.. I was actually referring to your abc
example/prrof of concept, when I asked if Rowan's Vextab macro works on
Chrome...

Do you say it is ok to create/publish a plugin which excludes the lib,
which has to be downloaded and added to TW by the end user - to make it
work offline? ( - not to conflict with the different licenses)

If I was the end user of the lib, a VexTab plugin (and TW of course) -
would the differences in licenses prevent me from publishing my personal TW
to the public?

Abc looks promising even though it doesn't seem to be browser agnostic.

Cheers Måns Mårtensson

2016-02-21 12:45 GMT+01:00 BJ :

> http://abcmusic.tiddlyspot.com/rHI folks,
>
> As can be seen from posts earlier in this thread, the license for vextab
> stops us from including it as a plugin. Having said that, there is nothing
> stop the writing of a plugin that interfaces to it and requiring the user
> to download the lib.
>
> One alternative is the ABC system, which I made a proof of concept demo
> here:
>
> http://abcmusic.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> there is a thread about it here:
>
>
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/e3a8a3d1-29eb-4ec7-84a4-57b491487d12%40googlegroups.com
> 
>
> all the best
> BJ
>
>
> On Sunday, February 21, 2016 at 9:36:32 AM UTC, Måns wrote:
>>
>> Hi Rowan
>>
>> >"Actually, Vextab is what I am most interested in. I've managed to get
>> it working by the same method used for Bopland."
>>
>> Great :-)
>>
>> Does it work on Chrome too? (As I recall BJ's example only worked on FF)
>> Would you mind sharing a working example on tiddlyspot?
>>
>> It would be great to have a music scratchpad in a TiddlyWIki again :-)
>>
>> At the moment I use MuseScore to create guitar tabs on a pc/mac.
>> I share interactive scores & videoscores on musescore.org.
>> It also provides an option to embed scores online. I do this in a
>> TiddlyWiki.
>> MuseScore can export to pdf, mp3's and images - so It is pretty straight
>> forward to have a collection of offline scores in a usable format.
>>
>> On mobile devices I use a musescore app to download, store, play and view
>> scores.
>> It is very stable and the workflow is seemless - all the way from
>> creating a score in the (free) MuseScore program on a pc/mac/linux box.
>> Here you can save a score directly to musescore.org. (up to 5 scores for
>> free).
>>
>> Cheers Måns Mårtensson
>>
>> Btw. I'm not affiliated with MuseScore in any way - just a happy
>> user/customer :-)
>>
>> 2016-02-21 6:37 GMT+01:00 Rowan Corbett :
>>
>>> Hey Måns!
>>>   Actually, Vextab is what I am most interested in. I've managed to get
>>> it working by the same method used for Bopland. My only problem now is that
>>> I can't use it without an Internet connection on my mobile devices.
>>>  Is there a way to include Vextab within the tiddlywiki itself rather
>>> than linking to it?
>>>
>>> Rowan
>>>
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Re: [tw] Re: TWC: Using TW as a musical scratchpad with BopLand.org services

[BJ]

http://abcmusic.tiddlyspot.com/rHI folks,

As can be seen from posts earlier in this thread, the license for vextab 
stops us from including it as a plugin. Having said that, there is nothing 
stop the writing of a plugin that interfaces to it and requiring the user 
to download the lib.  

One alternative is the ABC system, which I made a proof of concept demo 
here:

http://abcmusic.tiddlyspot.com/

there is a thread about it here:

https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/e3a8a3d1-29eb-4ec7-84a4-57b491487d12%40googlegroups.com
 


all the best
BJ


On Sunday, February 21, 2016 at 9:36:32 AM UTC, Måns wrote:
>
> Hi Rowan
>
> >"Actually, Vextab is what I am most interested in. I've managed to get 
> it working by the same method used for Bopland."
>
> Great :-) 
>
> Does it work on Chrome too? (As I recall BJ's example only worked on FF)
> Would you mind sharing a working example on tiddlyspot?
>
> It would be great to have a music scratchpad in a TiddlyWIki again :-)
>
> At the moment I use MuseScore to create guitar tabs on a pc/mac. 
> I share interactive scores & videoscores on musescore.org.
> It also provides an option to embed scores online. I do this in a 
> TiddlyWiki.
> MuseScore can export to pdf, mp3's and images - so It is pretty straight 
> forward to have a collection of offline scores in a usable format. 
>  
> On mobile devices I use a musescore app to download, store, play and view 
> scores. 
> It is very stable and the workflow is seemless - all the way from creating 
> a score in the (free) MuseScore program on a pc/mac/linux box. Here you can 
> save a score directly to musescore.org. (up to 5 scores for free). 
>
> Cheers Måns Mårtensson
>
> Btw. I'm not affiliated with MuseScore in any way - just a happy 
> user/customer :-)
>
> 2016-02-21 6:37 GMT+01:00 Rowan Corbett  >:
>
>> Hey Måns!
>>   Actually, Vextab is what I am most interested in. I've managed to get 
>> it working by the same method used for Bopland. My only problem now is that 
>> I can't use it without an Internet connection on my mobile devices.
>>  Is there a way to include Vextab within the tiddlywiki itself rather 
>> than linking to it?
>>
>> Rowan
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Re: [tw] Re: TWC: Using TW as a musical scratchpad with BopLand.org services

[Måns Mårtensson]

Hi Rowan

>"Actually, Vextab is what I am most interested in. I've managed to get it
working by the same method used for Bopland."

Great :-)

Does it work on Chrome too? (As I recall BJ's example only worked on FF)
Would you mind sharing a working example on tiddlyspot?

It would be great to have a music scratchpad in a TiddlyWIki again :-)

At the moment I use MuseScore to create guitar tabs on a pc/mac.
I share interactive scores & videoscores on musescore.org.
It also provides an option to embed scores online. I do this in a
TiddlyWiki.
MuseScore can export to pdf, mp3's and images - so It is pretty straight
forward to have a collection of offline scores in a usable format.

On mobile devices I use a musescore app to download, store, play and view
scores.
It is very stable and the workflow is seemless - all the way from creating
a score in the (free) MuseScore program on a pc/mac/linux box. Here you can
save a score directly to musescore.org. (up to 5 scores for free).

Cheers Måns Mårtensson

Btw. I'm not affiliated with MuseScore in any way - just a happy
user/customer :-)

2016-02-21 6:37 GMT+01:00 Rowan Corbett :

> Hey Måns!
>   Actually, Vextab is what I am most interested in. I've managed to get it
> working by the same method used for Bopland. My only problem now is that I
> can't use it without an Internet connection on my mobile devices.
>  Is there a way to include Vextab within the tiddlywiki itself rather than
> linking to it?
>
> Rowan
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Re: [tw] Re: TWC: Using TW as a musical scratchpad with BopLand.org services

[Rowan Corbett]

Hey Måns!
  Actually, Vextab is what I am most interested in. I've managed to get it 
working by the same method used for Bopland. My only problem now is that I 
can't use it without an Internet connection on my mobile devices. 
 Is there a way to include Vextab within the tiddlywiki itself rather than 
linking to it?

Rowan

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Re: [tw] Re: TWC: Using TW as a musical scratchpad with BopLand.org services

[Måns Mårtensson]

Hi Rowan

The bopland.org service doesn't seem to exist anymore, which is too bad.
It was very nice to be able to write tabs and musical notation, have it
play back and transpose.
You could even download a mp3 file.

I haven't been able to find out what happened to the service.

We will just have to wait and see if any alternatives show up.

Have you checked out VexTab ? It
currently works as a plugin

in google docs.
Here is a tutorial .

Cheers Måns Mårtenssom

2016-02-19 18:46 GMT+01:00 Rowan Corbett :

> Actually, I just figured it out. I just needed to keep at it for a little
> while. :)
>
> Rowan
>
>
> On Friday, February 19, 2016 at 10:54:00 AM UTC-5, Rowan Corbett wrote:
>>
>> I've been trying to get this to work as well. I'm using 5.1.11 but can't
>> seem to get any of the above examples to function.
>> Has something changed in the way TW deals with rawmarkup tags?
>>
>> Rowan
>>
>> On Monday, July 14, 2014 at 8:55:26 AM UTC-4, Piotr Świerszcz wrote:
>>>
>>> Any news? Work in progress?
>>>
>>> Piotr
>>>
>>> W dniu czwartek, 17 października 2013 03:23:02 UTC+2 użytkownik Måns
>>> napisał:

 Hi TWafficionados

 Just found out how easy it is to write,edit and publish musical notes
 in a TW* - and wanted to share my new found insight with you:

 1) Write: http://my.bopland.org/render.js";>   in
 your MarkupPostHead tiddler (save & reload)

 2) Create a template eg. "Bop" containing:

 
 
 $1
 
 


 3) Use it like this:

 <>>> Your musical code here
 ">>


 My example: BopNotes
 

 Have fun :-)

 Cheers Måns Mårtensson

 *) You'll need to be connected to the internet to use it.

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