Re: [twdev] Should TiddlyWiki consider moving to GitLab?

[Jeremy Ruston]

> Hi, with the rumors or facts about MS buying GitHub I've seen projects 
> discussing moving over to GitLab

> Because TiddlyWiki5 already wants to move to another repo, I'd like to ask if 
> GitLab is something that could be considered, too?

If you mean the hosted version of GitLab, I wouldn’t see much difference 
between that and GitHub; they’re both commercial organisations with their own 
goals that may not always align with ours. (Back in 2008 I was initially 
against the migration from our own self-hosted VCS to GitHub, for background).

> Jeremy wants to keep the repository structure

To be specific, I want to retain the “monorepo" structure for TiddlyWiki5: a 
single repo that contains all the core components, so that they are 
automatically in sync with one another. That includes: the core code, the core 
plugins, and the core reference documentation.

If we want to give translators (say) write access to a particular plugin then 
we’d instead ask them to maintain their own repo of that plugin, and we’d pull 
the changes in when they’re updated.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

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[twdev] Re: Should TiddlyWiki consider moving to GitLab?

[PMario]

On Monday, June 4, 2018 at 11:39:00 AM UTC+2, Simon Huber wrote:
>
>
>> I did grab "tiddlywiki5" and "tiddlywiki.org"
>>
>> I'll invite you, to the .org and we can play around with it, if you want.
>>
>
> Ok, sounds fun. Cannot find them on GitLab atm, I'm BurningTreeC over 
> there, too 
>

I did add you as Master , which 
has almost all possibilities. 

-mario

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[twdev] Re: Should TiddlyWiki consider moving to GitLab?

[PMario]

On Monday, June 4, 2018 at 12:44:05 PM UTC+2, PMario wrote:
>
>
>
>>> I can also invite you to https://github.com/tiddlywiki-org/ at GitHub, 
>>> if you want.
>>>
>>
>> What are the things to explore/do there? 
>>
>
> How we can create a new structure, that is easy for devs and users. ... 
>
> First thing needs to be: Move the documentation to the community, so it 
> can be independent from the core. 
>

At the moment we have a CLA ... With a more open community we'll also need 
a Code of Conduct , where we 
write down, what we expect from discussions about different topics. 

I did have a look at other open source projects. ... But all of them, 
describe in detail and long lists, what you should _not_ do. Lists are 
getting longer and longer, once users start to argue: "You didn't mention 
this and that and blablabla ... IMO that doesn't make sense to me. 

I want to have a CoC that describes the positive behaviour we want to have. 
... And everything which isn't mentioned there, has a high chance to be 
"wrong behaviour".

Just one of the examples, that could be discuessed there. 

have fun!
mario

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[twdev] Re: Should TiddlyWiki consider moving to GitLab?

[PMario]

On Monday, June 4, 2018 at 11:39:00 AM UTC+2, Simon Huber wrote:
>
>
>> I'll invite you, to the .org and we can play around with it, if you want.
>>
>
> Ok, sounds fun. Cannot find them on GitLab atm, I'm BurningTreeC over 
> there, too 
>

I'll invite you. 
 

>
>> I can also invite you to https://github.com/tiddlywiki-org/ at GitHub, 
>> if you want.
>>
>
> What are the things to explore/do there? 
>

How we can create a new structure, that is easy for devs and users. ... 

First thing needs to be: Move the documentation to the community, so it can 
be independent from the core. 

-m



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[twdev] Re: Should TiddlyWiki consider moving to GitLab?

[PMario]

On Monday, June 4, 2018 at 11:39:00 AM UTC+2, Simon Huber wrote:
>
>
>> ... But we (TiddlyWiki community) have a functionality problem. I'm not 
>> sure, if GitLab can fix it.
>>
>>
>> Jeremy wants to keep the repository structure. .. Which in my opinion 
>> can't be managed with github. ... I personally can't find a way to 
>> configure, write-access on the directory level. .. The only way github 
>> allows, is per repositroy access configuration. ... Which Jeremy doesn't 
>> want. ... So back to step 1.
>>
>
> Is this the functionality problem?
> What do you mean with repository structure? The folder-structure from the 
> base-level up ... write-access for some only on some directories? 
>

Exactly. 

-m

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[twdev] Re: Should TiddlyWiki consider moving to GitLab?

[Simon Huber]

>
>
> On Monday, June 4, 2018 at 8:50:56 AM UTC+2, Simon Huber wrote:
>>
>> Hi, with the rumors or facts about MS buying GitHub I've seen projects 
>> discussing moving over to GitLab
>>
>
>  ... Let's wait and see, when they make something official. ... 
>  
>
>> Because TiddlyWiki5 already wants to move to another repo, I'd like to 
>> ask if GitLab is something that could be considered, too?
>>
>
> GitLab is definitely an option. ... but ... There is GitLab Inc, and 
> GitLab the product. 
>
> GitLab the product is open souce, and you can host it yourself. .. If you 
> want to be in hosting business. 
>
> GitLab Inc. is a company that runs GitLab.com. Which is a hosting platform 
> similar to GitHub (see the H). ... So what happens now to GitHub can also 
> happen to GitLab Inc., the company!
>

Yes, will be interesting to observe if/how things change 

>
>
> ... But we (TiddlyWiki community) have a functionality problem. I'm not 
> sure, if GitLab can fix it.
>
>
> Jeremy wants to keep the repository structure. .. Which in my opinion 
> can't be managed with github. ... I personally can't find a way to 
> configure, write-access on the directory level. .. The only way github 
> allows, is per repositroy access configuration. ... Which Jeremy doesn't 
> want. ... So back to step 1.
>

Is this the functionality problem?
What do you mean with repository structure? The folder-structure from the 
base-level up ... write-access for some only on some directories? 

>
> -
>
> IF MS aquires Github, we will need to see, how they behave. 
>
> It may be possible, that they open source the whole thing. So, there may 
> be more possibilities, as now. Some Enterprise edtion features may be free 
> in the future. ... see may be!
>
> They definitely will create closer integration with Microsoft Accounts. 
>  Which not necessarily is a good thing (for me) 
>
> --
>
> At the moment, I'd say, we have a closer look at GitLab workflow, which is 
> 90% the same, since git is the underlaying technology. The existing 
> possibilities are more advanced as GitHub at the moment. ... 
>
> So we can create a new group there. tiddlywiki ... Is already taken!! So 
> we would need to get it back. 
>

> I did grab "tiddlywiki5" and "tiddlywiki.org"
>
> I'll invite you, to the .org and we can play around with it, if you want.
>

Ok, sounds fun. Cannot find them on GitLab atm, I'm BurningTreeC over 
there, too 

>
> I can also invite you to https://github.com/tiddlywiki-org/ at GitHub, if 
> you want.
>

What are the things to explore/do there? 


Simon 

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[twdev] Re: Should TiddlyWiki consider moving to GitLab?

[PMario]

On Monday, June 4, 2018 at 8:50:56 AM UTC+2, Simon Huber wrote:
>
> Hi, with the rumors or facts about MS buying GitHub I've seen projects 
> discussing moving over to GitLab
>

 ... Let's wait and see, when they make something official. ... 
 

> Because TiddlyWiki5 already wants to move to another repo, I'd like to ask 
> if GitLab is something that could be considered, too?
>

GitLab is definitely an option. ... but ... There is GitLab Inc, and GitLab 
the product. 

GitLab the product is open souce, and you can host it yourself. .. If you 
want to be in hosting business. 

GitLab Inc. is a company that runs GitLab.com. Which is a hosting platform 
similar to GitHub (see the H). ... So what happens now to GitHub can also 
happen to GitLab Inc., the company!


... But we (TiddlyWiki community) have a functionality problem. I'm not 
sure, if GitLab can fix it. 


Jeremy wants to keep the repository structure. .. Which in my opinion can't 
be managed with github. ... I personally can't find a way to configure, 
write-access on the directory level. .. The only way github allows, is per 
repositroy access configuration. ... Which Jeremy doesn't want. ... So back 
to step 1. 

-

IF MS aquires Github, we will need to see, how they behave. 

It may be possible, that they open source the whole thing. So, there may be 
more possibilities, as now. Some Enterprise edtion features may be free in 
the future. ... see may be!

They definitely will create closer integration with Microsoft Accounts. 
 Which not necessarily is a good thing (for me) 

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At the moment, I'd say, we have a closer look at GitLab workflow, which is 
90% the same, since git is the underlaying technology. The existing 
possibilities are more advanced as GitHub at the moment. ... 

So we can create a new group there. tiddlywiki ... Is already taken!! So we 
would need to get it back. 

I did grab "tiddlywiki5" and "tiddlywiki.org"

I'll invite you, to the .org and we can play around with it, if you want. 

I can also invite you to https://github.com/tiddlywiki-org/ at GitHub, if 
you want. 

have fun!
mario

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[twdev] Should TiddlyWiki consider moving to GitLab?

[Simon Huber]

Hi, with the rumors or facts about MS buying GitHub I've seen projects 
discussing moving over to GitLab

Because TiddlyWiki5 already wants to move to another repo, I'd like to ask 
if GitLab is something that could be considered, too?


BTC

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