Re:[tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

[Allen Esterson]

John Serafin wrote:
>Personal aside...ignore if not interested. My grandparents all
>emigrated from Poland to the US. They all ended up in an
>area just west of Detroit. My dad's parents lived on a street
>that happened to go by the name of Kopernik. As a kid, I
>had no idea the significance of that name, but I eventually
>figured it out.

Another personal aside, to be completely ignored:

In the dim and distant past when I was at school one of our teachers 
deliberately mispronounced the name as copper knickers, which of course 
we found hilarious.

Allen E.


From:   Serafin, John 
Subject:Re: Galileo Was Wrong?
Date:   Tue, 14 Sep 2010 20:24:45 -0400
Ha! One of the things I have to love about TIPS is that even when I post
something completely tongue-in-cheek, I can count on interesting and
informative replies. Thanks, John K! I'll just add that Brahe & Kepler 
did
their thing after Copernicus, so I'll still attribute the idea to
Copernicus.

Personal aside...ignore if not interested. My grandparents all emigrated
 from Poland to the US. They all ended up in an area just west of 
Detroit. My
dad's parents lived on a street that happened to go by the name of 
Kopernik.
As a kid, I had no idea the significance of that name, but I eventually
figured it out.

John
--
John Serafin
Psychology Department
Saint Vincent College
Latrobe, PA 15650
john.sera...@email.stvincent.edu



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Re: [tips] They Too Died That Day

[Claudia Stanny]

On reflection, I believe I ought to post an apology for my recent post,
which can reasonably be regarded as a rant.

I in no way intended to imply that Christians in general (Fundamentalist or
otherwise) were terrorists or collectively approved of the dreadful
behaviors I described.  I apologize to any readers who detected that message
in my post.  I admit I was hasty and wrote something that could lead a
reasonable person to reach that interpretation.  I regret any hurt feelings
my words caused.

By the same token, I hope that posters who wrote similarly hasty things
about other religious groups would consider how their words might be
interpreted or misinterpreted by others.

It is always a mistake to vilify an entire group based on the actions of a
few extreme members.  I am concerned about the polarized and irrational
discourse that surrounds much political discussion these days.  I apologize
for my contribution to the deterioration of civility.

Claudia Stanny


On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Michael Smith  wrote:

> My take would be that "curious directions" are directions he perhaps
> thinks are not worthwhile talking about.
> And I agree most are related either directly or indirectly to the
> "madness" aspect and what-can-we-learn/teach from it.
> Including the stereotypes of muslims and christians.
>
> But anyway, I don't think in a public forum like a listserv that a
> poster can expect to exercise control over the discussion, no matter
> what he/she thinks is the important point.
>
> --Mike
>
> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Jim Clark  wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > It is not clear what Mike thinks are "curious directions."  Most of the
> responses I have seen appear to be reactions to the Mike's characterizing
> what was happening as "madness" and asking "what critical thinking lessons
> psychologists will teach about this madness."  Perhaps it was not his
> intention for us to focus on that aspect of his posting?
> >
> > Take care
> > Jim
> >
> > James M. Clark
> > Professor of Psychology
> > 204-786-9757
> > 204-774-4134 Fax
> > j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca
> >
>  "Mike Palij"  13-Sep-10 9:21:41 PM >>>
> > I started this thread several days ago with the post below which
> > focused on a Muslin family who had lost a family member on
> > 9/11.  I felt it was necessary to remind people that many different
> > groups of people died that day and the current attempt by some
> > to "Christianize" 9/11 should make wonder why such a thing was
> > occurring.  The contributors to this thread has taken the discussion
> > in curious directions and I decided not to respond until now.  On
> > ...
> > On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 06:08:43 -0700, Mike Palij wrote:
> >>An article in the NY Times focuses on one family that deals with
> >>their grief over the loss of a father and husband in the 9/11 attack
> >>on the World Trade Center.  How they have dealth with the attack
> >>and the aftermath should give us and, if we share with our students,
> >>pause.  See:
> >>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/10/nyregion/10muslim.html?_r=1&th=&emc=th&pagewanted=all
> >>
> >>The fact that the family is Muslim would be incidental except for
> >>the recent madness manifesting itself in U.S. religious and political
> >>circles.  I wonder what critical thinking lessons psychologists will
> >>teach about this madness?
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

[John Kulig]

John

Oh yeah, Detroit was a common place to end up ... all of mine went to 
Pennsylvania after they arrived (two of them Polish), another common 
destination because of the coal mines and factories.

==
John W. Kulig 
Professor of Psychology 
Plymouth State University 
Plymouth NH 03264 

GALILEO GALILEI:
I do not feel obligated to believe that the same God who has endowed us with 
sense, reasons, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.



- Original Message -
From: "John Serafin" 
To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 8:24:45 PM
Subject: Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

Ha! One of the things I have to love about TIPS is that even when I post
something completely tongue-in-cheek, I can count on interesting and
informative replies. Thanks, John K! I'll just add that Brahe & Kepler did
their thing after Copernicus, so I'll still attribute the idea to
Copernicus.

Personal aside...ignore if not interested. My grandparents all emigrated
from Poland to the US. They all ended up in an area just west of Detroit. My
dad's parents lived on a street that happened to go by the name of Kopernik.
As a kid, I had no idea the significance of that name, but I eventually
figured it out.

John
-- 
John Serafin
Psychology Department
Saint Vincent College
Latrobe, PA 15650
john.sera...@email.stvincent.edu



> From: John Kulig 
> Reply-To: TIPS posts 
> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 19:44:16 -0400
> To: TIPS posts 
> Subject: Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?
> 
> 
> 
> Yeah, I agree! (sort of, but ...) My understanding (haven't read the original)
> is that Copernicus (Latinized from the Polish name Kopernik) was theoretically
> embedded in the medieval way of thinking which was to try to fit the available
> data into pre-existing medieval-style thinking. I believe he showed that
> either a geo or helio-centered universe could be made consistent with existing
> data. Galileo deserves a tremendous amount of credit for pushing science
> forward, but look to Kepler's three laws of planetary motion (1609/1619) for a
> real data-driven science (Tycho Brahe's data though), moving from the perfect
> circles of medieval thinking to elliptical orbits. But in empirically derived
> laws, he saw a different sort of perfection, mathematically, such as the
> relationship between distance from the sun and time to orbit (3rd law I
> believe) ... 
> 
> ==
> John W. Kulig
> Professor of Psychology
> Plymouth State University
> Plymouth NH 03264
> 
> GALILEO GALILEI:
> I do not feel obligated to believe that the same God who has endowed us with
> sense, reasons, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "John Serafin" 
> To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)"
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 5:24:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?
> 
> Hey, wait a minute here. Why is that Italian, Galileo, getting credit (or
> blame, depending on your perspective) for all of this business about a
> heliocentric universe? I thought that my Polish ancestor, Copernicus, was
> the one responsible for all of this rabble-rousing.
> 
> If they're going to go off on a witch hunt or defamatory exploration, they
> should at least get the right victim.
> 
> Geez!
> 
> John
> --
> John Serafin
> Psychology Department
> Saint Vincent College
> Latrobe, PA 15650
> john.sera...@email.stvincent.edu
> 
> 
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Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

[Serafin, John]

Ha! One of the things I have to love about TIPS is that even when I post
something completely tongue-in-cheek, I can count on interesting and
informative replies. Thanks, John K! I'll just add that Brahe & Kepler did
their thing after Copernicus, so I'll still attribute the idea to
Copernicus.

Personal aside...ignore if not interested. My grandparents all emigrated
from Poland to the US. They all ended up in an area just west of Detroit. My
dad's parents lived on a street that happened to go by the name of Kopernik.
As a kid, I had no idea the significance of that name, but I eventually
figured it out.

John
-- 
John Serafin
Psychology Department
Saint Vincent College
Latrobe, PA 15650
john.sera...@email.stvincent.edu



> From: John Kulig 
> Reply-To: TIPS posts 
> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 19:44:16 -0400
> To: TIPS posts 
> Subject: Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?
> 
> 
> 
> Yeah, I agree! (sort of, but ...) My understanding (haven't read the original)
> is that Copernicus (Latinized from the Polish name Kopernik) was theoretically
> embedded in the medieval way of thinking which was to try to fit the available
> data into pre-existing medieval-style thinking. I believe he showed that
> either a geo or helio-centered universe could be made consistent with existing
> data. Galileo deserves a tremendous amount of credit for pushing science
> forward, but look to Kepler's three laws of planetary motion (1609/1619) for a
> real data-driven science (Tycho Brahe's data though), moving from the perfect
> circles of medieval thinking to elliptical orbits. But in empirically derived
> laws, he saw a different sort of perfection, mathematically, such as the
> relationship between distance from the sun and time to orbit (3rd law I
> believe) ... 
> 
> ==
> John W. Kulig
> Professor of Psychology
> Plymouth State University
> Plymouth NH 03264
> 
> GALILEO GALILEI:
> I do not feel obligated to believe that the same God who has endowed us with
> sense, reasons, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "John Serafin" 
> To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)"
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 5:24:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?
> 
> Hey, wait a minute here. Why is that Italian, Galileo, getting credit (or
> blame, depending on your perspective) for all of this business about a
> heliocentric universe? I thought that my Polish ancestor, Copernicus, was
> the one responsible for all of this rabble-rousing.
> 
> If they're going to go off on a witch hunt or defamatory exploration, they
> should at least get the right victim.
> 
> Geez!
> 
> John
> --
> John Serafin
> Psychology Department
> Saint Vincent College
> Latrobe, PA 15650
> john.sera...@email.stvincent.edu
> 
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Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

[John Kulig]

Yeah, I agree! (sort of, but ...) My understanding (haven't read the original) 
is that Copernicus (Latinized from the Polish name Kopernik) was theoretically 
embedded in the medieval way of thinking which was to try to fit the available 
data into pre-existing medieval-style thinking. I believe he showed that either 
a geo or helio-centered universe could be made consistent with existing data. 
Galileo deserves a tremendous amount of credit for pushing science forward, but 
look to Kepler's three laws of planetary motion (1609/1619) for a real 
data-driven science (Tycho Brahe's data though), moving from the perfect 
circles of medieval thinking to elliptical orbits. But in empirically derived 
laws, he saw a different sort of perfection, mathematically, such as the 
relationship between distance from the sun and time to orbit (3rd law I 
believe) ...  

==
John W. Kulig 
Professor of Psychology 
Plymouth State University 
Plymouth NH 03264 

GALILEO GALILEI:
I do not feel obligated to believe that the same God who has endowed us with 
sense, reasons, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.



- Original Message -
From: "John Serafin" 
To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 5:24:29 PM
Subject: Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

Hey, wait a minute here. Why is that Italian, Galileo, getting credit (or
blame, depending on your perspective) for all of this business about a
heliocentric universe? I thought that my Polish ancestor, Copernicus, was
the one responsible for all of this rabble-rousing.

If they're going to go off on a witch hunt or defamatory exploration, they
should at least get the right victim.

Geez!

John
-- 
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Psychology Department
Saint Vincent College
Latrobe, PA 15650
john.sera...@email.stvincent.edu


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Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

[Christopher D. Green]

With listed fees, hotels, phone numbers, e-mail addresses, and a (real, 
I checked) publishing company?

I fear not.

Chris Green
=


Jim Dougan wrote:

Seriously - this is a joke, right?


At 01:04 PM 9/14/2010, you wrote:




Creationism was only the beginning... :-(

Announcement for
Galileo Was Wrong: The Church Was Right
First Annual Catholic Conference on Geocentrism

http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/upload/2010/09/geocentrism_was_galileo_wrong/conference.jpeg 



Chris
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York University
Toronto, ON M3J 1P3
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416-736-2100 ex. 66164
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Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

[Serafin, John]

Hey, wait a minute here. Why is that Italian, Galileo, getting credit (or
blame, depending on your perspective) for all of this business about a
heliocentric universe? I thought that my Polish ancestor, Copernicus, was
the one responsible for all of this rabble-rousing.

If they're going to go off on a witch hunt or defamatory exploration, they
should at least get the right victim.

Geez!

John
-- 
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Psychology Department
Saint Vincent College
Latrobe, PA 15650
john.sera...@email.stvincent.edu


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RE: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

[Shearon, Tim]

Mike-
There's not much doubt you are correct about his bishop! From the Wikipedia 
site on Sungenis:
"He also directed him to stop using the word "Catholic" in his organization's 
name.[]  Sungenis has stated that he will only comply with Bishop Rhoades' 
directive to stop writing about Jews and Judaism if he is forced to do so 
"under the aegis of a canonical trial".[]"

I do remember that he is "of interest" to the Southern Poverty Law Center for 
his anti-Semitism. He claims to be anti-Zionist but not anti-Semitic. (Don't 
think *too long* about that one!). So I think we don't need to fear the 
Catholic Church reversing it's position on Galileo any time soon. :) As to 
whether this is the next step after creationism, I don't know what to think. 
I'd like to say this appears to be a "nut case" with a few zealots interested 
in following. On the other hand that is exactly what I thought about 
creationism. 
Tim


_
Timothy O. Shearon, PhD
Professor of Psychology
The College of Idaho
2112 Cleveland Blvd
Caldwell, ID 83605

teaching: Bio and neuropsychology, general, psychopharmacology 
tshea...@collegeofidaho.edu



-Original Message-
From: Mike Palij [mailto:m...@nyu.edu] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 3:01 PM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Cc: Mike Palij
Subject: RE: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

Note that the first author on the book that Marc Carter refers
to is Robert Sungenis who is also the first speaker listed on the
"ad" that Chris Green linked to.  There is a Wikipedia entry
on him (yada-yada) which provide some background information
but does not seem to explain much; see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Sungenis

I suspect that Sungenis' bishop is not happy about his use of
the word Catholic in advertising the "conference".  There is
a website that seems to be associated with Sungenis' position
but several attempts to reach it only produced a bandwidth
exceeded error (i.e., too many people trying to access the site).
You might have more luck:

http://www.galileowaswrong.com/

-Mike Palij
New York University
m...@nyu.edu



On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 11:35:40 -0700, Marc Carter wrote:
>Umm, I don't think so:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Galileo-Was-Wrong-Church-Right/dp/0977964000/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1284489296&sr=1-1
>   
>
>But I wish it were...
>
> -Original Message-
On Tuesday, September 14, 2010 1:24 PM, Jim Dougan wrote:
>
> Seriously - this is a joke, right?
>
> At 01:04 PM 9/14/2010, Chris Green wrote:
> >Creationism was only the beginning... :-(
> >
> >Announcement for Galileo Was Wrong: The Church Was Right 
> > First Annual Catholic Conference on Geocentrism

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RE: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

[Mike Palij]

Note that the first author on the book that Marc Carter refers
to is Robert Sungenis who is also the first speaker listed on the
"ad" that Chris Green linked to.  There is a Wikipedia entry
on him (yada-yada) which provide some background information
but does not seem to explain much; see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Sungenis

I suspect that Sungenis' bishop is not happy about his use of
the word Catholic in advertising the "conference".  There is
a website that seems to be associated with Sungenis' position
but several attempts to reach it only produced a bandwidth
exceeded error (i.e., too many people trying to access the site).
You might have more luck:

http://www.galileowaswrong.com/

-Mike Palij
New York University
m...@nyu.edu



On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 11:35:40 -0700, Marc Carter wrote:
>Umm, I don't think so:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Galileo-Was-Wrong-Church-Right/dp/0977964000/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1284489296&sr=1-1
>   
>
>But I wish it were...
>
> -Original Message-
On Tuesday, September 14, 2010 1:24 PM, Jim Dougan wrote:
>
> Seriously - this is a joke, right?
>
> At 01:04 PM 9/14/2010, Chris Green wrote:
> >Creationism was only the beginning... :-(
> >
> >Announcement for Galileo Was Wrong: The Church Was Right 
> > First Annual Catholic Conference on Geocentrism

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Dear Tipsters,
I am planning to add some RSS feeds on my Angel page (did I say that correctly, 
I am new to RSS feeds?) What organization are the best to introduce the world 
of psychology to Intro students? APA? Smithsonian? 
 
 Jim


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High School Psychology and Advanced Psychology Graphic Organizers, 
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Contributor, for Karen Huffman's Psychology in Action, Video Guest Lecturettes 
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RE: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

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Umm, I don't think so:

http://www.amazon.com/Galileo-Was-Wrong-Church-Right/dp/0977964000/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1284489296&sr=1-1

But I wish it were...

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Re: [tips] The train to Auschwitz

[michael sylvester]

Christopher D

It seems to me that what a company did more than a half century ago, under 
entirely different management and political circumstances, has rather little to 
do with whether they should be engaged with today.

Chris

So why was Kurt Valdeim ousted from his post as U.N Secretary General?

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Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

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Why stop at geocentrism? Why not go whole hog and become a Flat-earther? It 
seems so half-hearted to be a geocentrist. 

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> 
> Creationism was only the beginning... :-(
> 
> Announcement for 
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> First Annual Catholic Conference on Geocentrism
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> -- 
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Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

[Jim Dougan]

Seriously - this is a joke, right?


At 01:04 PM 9/14/2010, you wrote:




Creationism was only the beginning... :-(

Announcement for
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Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

[Paul Brandon]

Sounds like the Church is reversing itself, not just standing motionless.

Paul Brandon
Emeritus Professor of Psychology
Minnesota State University, Mankato
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On Sep 14, 2010, at 1:04 PM, Christopher D. Green wrote:

>  
> 
> Creationism was only the beginning... :-(
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[tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

[Christopher D. Green]

Creationism was only the beginning... :-(

Announcement for
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Re: [tips] The train to Auschwitz

[Christopher D. Green]

Sounds like a red herring to me.

Do the people who dislike this train company because of its long-ago 
Nazi connections feel the same way about, say, Volkwagen, or Bayer (the 
aspirin company), or Siemans? Do they feel this way about General Motors 
which, as I recall, tried to sue the US gov't after the war for the 
wartime loss of its German factories 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_General_Motors#World_War_II)? 
Do they feel the same about Ford (Henry Ford was about as vocal an 
anti-semite as lived in the US at the time)? Or the Kennedy family 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kennedy,_Sr.#Anti-Semitism)? How 
about the US space program, the rockets for which were designed by V-2 
designer Werner Von Braun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEJ9HrZq7Ro)?  :-)

It seems to me that what a company did more than a half century ago, 
under entirely different management and political circumstances, has 
rather little to do with whether they should be engaged with today.

Chris
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> There is a mounting controversy brewing here in Central Florida about 
> a proposal to build a High speed rail with train routes from Orlando 
> to Tampa to Miami and other points.One of the companies that  put in a 
> bid is a French company that was utilized by the Germans to transport 
> Jews and others to Nazi concentration camps.There are pros and 
> cons.Given the shady past of that company and "sensitivity" 
> factors,many have given a thumbs down.In at least 200 words compare 
> and contrast the train proposal and the ground zero proposal.
>  
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Re: [tips] They Too Died That Day

[Michael Smith]

My take would be that "curious directions" are directions he perhaps
thinks are not worthwhile talking about.
And I agree most are related either directly or indirectly to the
"madness" aspect and what-can-we-learn/teach from it.
Including the stereotypes of muslims and christians.

But anyway, I don't think in a public forum like a listserv that a
poster can expect to exercise control over the discussion, no matter
what he/she thinks is the important point.

--Mike

On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Jim Clark  wrote:
> Hi
>
> It is not clear what Mike thinks are "curious directions."  Most of the 
> responses I have seen appear to be reactions to the Mike's characterizing 
> what was happening as "madness" and asking "what critical thinking lessons 
> psychologists will teach about this madness."  Perhaps it was not his 
> intention for us to focus on that aspect of his posting?
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> Jim
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>
 "Mike Palij"  13-Sep-10 9:21:41 PM >>>
> I started this thread several days ago with the post below which
> focused on a Muslin family who had lost a family member on
> 9/11.  I felt it was necessary to remind people that many different
> groups of people died that day and the current attempt by some
> to "Christianize" 9/11 should make wonder why such a thing was
> occurring.  The contributors to this thread has taken the discussion
> in curious directions and I decided not to respond until now.  On
> ...
> On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 06:08:43 -0700, Mike Palij wrote:
>>An article in the NY Times focuses on one family that deals with
>>their grief over the loss of a father and husband in the 9/11 attack
>>on the World Trade Center.  How they have dealth with the attack
>>and the aftermath should give us and, if we share with our students,
>>pause.  See:
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/10/nyregion/10muslim.html?_r=1&th=&emc=th&pagewanted=all
>>
>>The fact that the family is Muslim would be incidental except for
>>the recent madness manifesting itself in U.S. religious and political
>>circles.  I wonder what critical thinking lessons psychologists will
>>teach about this madness?
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Re: [tips] The train to Auschwitz

[Louis E. Schmier]

Extermination of Jews was official government policy.  6,000,000 Jews killed as 
a result of official government policy that enlisted all facets of military and 
civilian society under Nazi rule.


Make it a good day

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[tips] The train to Auschwitz

[michael sylvester]

There is a mounting controversy brewing here in Central Florida about a 
proposal to build a High speed rail with train routes from Orlando to Tampa to 
Miami and other points.One of the companies that  put in a bid is a French 
company that was utilized by the Germans to transport Jews and others to Nazi 
concentration camps.There are pros and cons.Given the shady past of that 
company and "sensitivity" factors,many have given a thumbs down.In at least 200 
words compare and contrast the train proposal and the ground zero proposal.

Michael "omnicentric" Sylvester,PhD
Daytona Beach,Florida
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re: [tips] They Too Died That Day

[Jim Clark]

Hi

It is not clear what Mike thinks are "curious directions."  Most of the 
responses I have seen appear to be reactions to the Mike's characterizing what 
was happening as "madness" and asking "what critical thinking lessons 
psychologists will teach about this madness."  Perhaps it was not his intention 
for us to focus on that aspect of his posting?

Take care
Jim

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>>> "Mike Palij"  13-Sep-10 9:21:41 PM >>>
I started this thread several days ago with the post below which
focused on a Muslin family who had lost a family member on
9/11.  I felt it was necessary to remind people that many different
groups of people died that day and the current attempt by some
to "Christianize" 9/11 should make wonder why such a thing was
occurring.  The contributors to this thread has taken the discussion
in curious directions and I decided not to respond until now.  On
...
On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 06:08:43 -0700, Mike Palij wrote:
>An article in the NY Times focuses on one family that deals with
>their grief over the loss of a father and husband in the 9/11 attack
>on the World Trade Center.  How they have dealth with the attack
>and the aftermath should give us and, if we share with our students,
>pause.  See:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/10/nyregion/10muslim.html?_r=1&th=&emc=th&pagewanted=all
>  
>
>The fact that the family is Muslim would be incidental except for
>the recent madness manifesting itself in U.S. religious and political
>circles.  I wonder what critical thinking lessons psychologists will
>teach about this madness?



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Re: Re:[tips] Has Western society really evolved that much from religious barbarism?

[michael sylvester]

- Original Message - 
From: "Rick Froman" 
To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)" 


Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 3:35 PM
Subject: RE: Re:[tips] Has Western society really evolved that much from 
religious barbarism?



It seems I must revise my Research Methods presentations. Obviously, 
anecdotal evidence actually will suffice for answering such questions.


Rick

No need to revise your Research Methods.Anecdotal and testimonial are part 
of the process but the experimental method does ascertain that flaws are 
eliminated.
However keep in mind that the quantity of anecdotal experiences can still be 
subject to statistical analysis and could turn out to be significant.In 
other words,anecdotal evidence can still generate a high degree of 
reliability even though there may be concerns about its veracity .The 
psychology research methods paradigm,however, is more concerned about 
reliability than validity.Statistical analyses are more reliability driven 
than validity driven,In this sense anecdotes and other testimonials could 
lay claim to experiential certitude.


Michael "omnicentric" Sylvester,PhD
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[tips] Random Thought: Rosh Hashonah and Teaching

[Louis E. Schmier]

Taking another break from my China Diary, and yeah, I know, I just shared a 
scattered page from the diary.  In my defense, it's the reflective, sharing 
time of the Jewish High Holidays, and I am in a reflective and sharing mood.  
So, please bear with me.  As I was in synagogue last week for Rosh Hashonah, 
what's called "the Jewish New Year," I engage it and let it challenge me to 
revisit my life.  I felt myself getting into me, drifting inexplicably from my 
head to my heart and down into my soul.  I am not a ritualist; I am not a 
ceremonialist. Yet, in my way these times are stirring, living, and breathing, 
for I am more the spiritualist who struggles to live the words of Micah 6:8.  
Now, some say these holidays are a somber time, a time of high anxiety, a time 
of shivering and quaking. Not for me. Sure, we're perhaps more serious, more 
aware of ourselves at this time of the year than at any other.  Why not.  It's 
a time that calls for deeper reflection; it's a time that asks for taking a 
values inventory; and, it's a time when we're challenged to come up with 
questions that we would use to survey and measure the value of our life.  For 
me, this time takes me back to my cerebral hemorrhage when I was and still am 
confronted with my mortality, that death is a part of the life cycle, the LIFE 
cycle.  And, I acknowledge that I might keel over at any minute as I almost did 
that yesterday a few years ago.  These "Days of Awe" remind me of the awesome 
power I have to affirm life and decide how I wish to live.  It's a time of a 
greater opportunity to see whether the choices I've made and will make, whether 
the courses of actions I've taken and will take infuse life into my life or 
drain life from my life, that is, whether I have filled and will fill my days 
with meaning, purpose, significance, and service.

That makes the High Holidays for me a metaphor for how I should live as a 
teacher.  By that I mean we hear a lot about how the Divine "sits in 
judgement."  Some tremble in fear of that image.  I'm don't.  Whether you're a 
believer or not, is not the idea.  It's the idea of it all.  For me, it says 
that the Divine, with all that's going on in the great universe, notices and 
cares about each and every one of us, cares enough to notice, cares about who 
we each are, cares about how we live, cares about whether we are striving for 
and actualizing our individual potential.  Think about it.  The creator of the 
universe actually cares about “little ole me.”   Now is that awesome or not!  
It transforms me from an insignificant speck into an "important ole me!"  It is 
really a remarkably empowering and life-giving idea.  If nothing else, it 
should goad us to say, "what does the Divine see in me that I don't but 
should?"  Should we, as teachers, do no less?  Shouldn't we say to each 
student, as Abraham and God said to each other, "Here I am for you?"  Shouldn't 
we be focused on each student rather than fretting about lost research time or 
the texts and e-mails we have to read and answer?  Shouldn't we include the 
student when we say, "I'm so busy" or "I have no time?"  I am not a devotee of 
that modern day scam called "multi-tasking."  It's an excuse, a rationale, for 
not respecting, concentrating, paying attention, listening, seeing, and 
noticing.  It is we, not the technology, that allows all that business and 
busyness to cause us to miss the only thing we truly have:  "now."  And, when 
we miss the gift of presence, we miss the call.  Having lain in neuro-ICU for a 
week, and miraculously having survived unscathed, don't I know that!

We are told that these High Holy Days are a blessing.  In Hebrew "holy" and 
"blessing" have the same word root.  They both mean "to set apart." And yet, 
they're both about making connections.  They mean to detach us from the 
ordinary distractions of day-to-day life that keep us from being connected, 
deeply connected, to what matters most.  Susan is what really matters in my 
life.  When I am alone with my Susan, when I am sipping that wine with her, 
when I am being impishly childish with her, when I am playing board games with 
her, when I am pecking at her cheek, when I am staring deep into her eyes, 
deeper into her soul, a wave of intense awareness and otherness sweeps over me 
that shuts out the noise and shuts down the "overwhelming-ness" around us. I 
feel a deep connection, a feeling of wholeness, and an enveloping serenity.  I 
am totally present; and, our togetherness becomes holy and blessed.  That's 
about as holy as it gets.

Should there be any less holiness and blessing in the classroom?  Should our 
heart pound less?  When we are in the classroom, shouldn't we be obligated to 
be there?  Shouldn't we feel its sweetness, exhilaration, satisfaction, 
fulfillment, and even fun?  If we are life-affirming, shouldn't we be firmly 
and fully present for each life in that classroom?  Shouldn't we firmly and 
unconditionally affirm th