RE:[tips] Old ideas in psych/Erikson
Dear Fiona, That show sounds interesting. Having a cuppa then off for shut-eye. Love, Dad xxoxxo __ Recti Cultus Pectora Roborant Stuart J. McKelvie, Ph.D., Department of Psychology, Bishop's University, 2600 rue College, Sherbrooke (Borough of Lennoxville), QC J1M 1Z7, Canada. stuart.mckel...@ubishops.ca (819)822-9600X2402 Floreat Labore __ -Original Message- From: Gerald Peterson [mailto:peter...@svsu.edu] Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:18 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: [tips] Old ideas in psych/Erikson Jeff Ricker noted: I've been looking at the issue of Erikson's relevance to contemporary work for the past hour and must tentatively disagree with Gary's claim. Yes, even Erikson criticized his own work after his retirement and seemed unsure whether research in this area could ever be scientific. Nevertheless, he seemed to believe that the assumptions and general principles that formed the foundation of his thinking were valid. MY RESPONSE: I think it was good that Erikson recognized problems with the scientific value of his ideas. I always felt they were interesting, but just not as theoretically useful, but the Barnum-like way they are described in Psych texts is also problem. Text authors seem to revel in the vagueness, and everyone looks for confirmation in anecdotal accounts while finding, events to fit the theory in hindsight. I think the same problems are reinforced in educating health professionals...they are told such unsupported ideas are relevant, and taught to look for ways to fit his(and other) ideas to cases. Again, such ideas are comfortable frameworks that are thus made to feel important and relevant. This leads such folks to feel they have knowledge to sharewhether it is evidenced based or not. Thus, notions like Kubler-Ross's stages of dying, and similar (or, even more pseudoscientific) views become required lore in the socialization/training of health professionals. What is seen as important, and what is actually efficacious in practice may be different. However, it is warming a few degrees here, and I am becoming less curmudgeonly, so I will defer to those with more expertise in developmental science ;-) --- JEFF NOTED And his ideas about and theories of fundamental developmental challenges seem to still be important in areas like nursing, social work, and counseling psychology. I noticed that this may be especially true in the care and treatment of geriatric patients, which is the issue that gave rise to this thread. Perhaps someone with expertise in this broad area could expound on this a bit. YES, AGREE... G.L. (Gary) Peterson,Ph.D Psychology@SVSU --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: smcke...@ubishops.ca. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13510.2cc18398df2e6692fffc29a610cb72e3n=Tl=tipso=42205 or send a blank email to leave-42205-13510.2cc18398df2e6692fffc29a610cb7...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@mail-archive.com. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=42210 or send a blank email to leave-42210-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Old ideas in psych/Erikson
Now that's a remarkable coincidence: my father called me Fiona, too. I never knew why Best, Jeff On Feb 21, 2015, at 8:32 PM, Stuart McKelvie smcke...@ubishops.ca wrote: Dear Fiona, That show sounds interesting. Having a cuppa then off for shut-eye. Jeff Ricker noted: I've been looking at the issue of Erikson's relevance to contemporary work for the past hour and must tentatively disagree with Gary's claim. Yes, even Erikson criticized his own work after his retirement and seemed unsure whether research in this area could ever be scientific. Nevertheless, he seemed to believe that the assumptions and general principles that formed the foundation of his thinking were valid. MY RESPONSE: I think it was good that Erikson recognized problems with the scientific value of his ideas. I always felt they were interesting, but just not as theoretically useful, but the Barnum-like way they are described in Psych texts is also problem. Text authors seem to revel in the vagueness, and everyone looks for confirmation in anecdotal accounts while finding, events to fit the theory in hindsight. I think the same problems are reinforced in educating health professionals...they are told such unsupported ideas are relevant, and taught to look for ways to fit his(and other) ideas to cases. Again, such ideas are comfortable frameworks that are thus made to feel important and relevant. This leads such folks to feel they have knowledge to sharewhether it is evidenced based or not. Thus, notions like Kubler-Ross's stages of dying, and similar (or, even more pseudoscientific) views become required lore in the socialization/training of health professionals. What is seen as important, and what is actually efficacious in practice may be different. However, it is warming a few degrees here, and I am becoming less curmudgeonly, so I will defer to those with more expertise in developmental science ;-) --- JEFF NOTED And his ideas about and theories of fundamental developmental challenges seem to still be important in areas like nursing, social work, and counseling psychology. I noticed that this may be especially true in the care and treatment of geriatric patients, which is the issue that gave rise to this thread. Perhaps someone with expertise in this broad area could expound on this a bit. YES, AGREE... G.L. (Gary) Peterson,Ph.D Psychology@SVSU -- - Jeffry Ricker, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology - Scottsdale Community College 9000 E. Chaparral Road Scottsdale, AZ 85256-2626 Office: SB-123 Phone: (480) 423-6213 Fax: (480) 423-6298 --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@mail-archive.com. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=42218 or send a blank email to leave-42218-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
RE:[tips] Old ideas in psych/Erikson
Well, we are all sort of family here! Jim Jim Clark Professor Chair of Psychology University of Winnipeg 204-786-9757 Room 4L41 (4th Floor Lockhart) www.uwinnipeg.ca/~clark -Original Message- From: Stuart McKelvie [mailto:smcke...@ubishops.ca] Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 9:37 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE:[tips] Old ideas in psych/Erikson Dear Tipsters., Woops...sorry about that! Stuart __ Recti Cultus Pectora Roborant Stuart J. McKelvie, Ph.D., Department of Psychology, Bishop's University, 2600 rue College, Sherbrooke (Borough of Lennoxville), QC J1M 1Z7, Canada. stuart.mckel...@ubishops.ca (819)822-9600X2402 Floreat Labore __ -Original Message- From: Stuart McKelvie [mailto:smcke...@ubishops.ca] Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:32 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE:[tips] Old ideas in psych/Erikson Dear Fiona, That show sounds interesting. Having a cuppa then off for shut-eye. Love, Dad xxoxxo __ Recti Cultus Pectora Roborant Stuart J. McKelvie, Ph.D., Department of Psychology, Bishop's University, 2600 rue College, Sherbrooke (Borough of Lennoxville), QC J1M 1Z7, Canada. stuart.mckel...@ubishops.ca (819)822-9600X2402 Floreat Labore __ -Original Message- From: Gerald Peterson [mailto:peter...@svsu.edu] Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:18 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: [tips] Old ideas in psych/Erikson Jeff Ricker noted: I've been looking at the issue of Erikson's relevance to contemporary work for the past hour and must tentatively disagree with Gary's claim. Yes, even Erikson criticized his own work after his retirement and seemed unsure whether research in this area could ever be scientific. Nevertheless, he seemed to believe that the assumptions and general principles that formed the foundation of his thinking were valid. MY RESPONSE: I think it was good that Erikson recognized problems with the scientific value of his ideas. I always felt they were interesting, but just not as theoretically useful, but the Barnum-like way they are described in Psych texts is also problem. Text authors seem to revel in the vagueness, and everyone looks for confirmation in anecdotal accounts while finding, events to fit the theory in hindsight. I think the same problems are reinforced in educating health professionals...they are told such unsupported ideas are relevant, and taught to look for ways to fit his(and other) ideas to cases. Again, such ideas are comfortable frameworks that are thus made to feel important and relevant. This leads such folks to feel they have knowledge to sharewhether it is evidenced based or not. Thus, notions like Kubler-Ross's stages of dying, and similar (or, even more pseudoscientific) views become required lore in the socialization/training of health professionals. What is seen as important, and what is actually efficacious in practice may be different. However, it is warming a few degrees here, and I am becoming less curmudgeonly, so I will defer to those with more expertise in developmental science ;-) --- JEFF NOTED And his ideas about and theories of fundamental developmental challenges seem to still be important in areas like nursing, social work, and counseling psychology. I noticed that this may be especially true in the care and treatment of geriatric patients, which is the issue that gave rise to this thread. Perhaps someone with expertise in this broad area could expound on this a bit. YES, AGREE... G.L. (Gary) Peterson,Ph.D Psychology@SVSU --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: smcke...@ubishops.ca. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13510.2cc18398df2e6692fffc29a610cb72e3n=Tl=tipso=42205 or send a blank email to leave-42205-13510.2cc18398df2e6692fffc29a610cb7...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: smcke...@ubishops.ca. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13510.2cc18398df2e6692fffc29a610cb72e3n=Tl=tipso=42210 or send a blank email to leave-42210-13510.2cc18398df2e6692fffc29a610cb7...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13251.645f86b5cec4da0a56ffea7a891720c9n=Tl=tipso=42211 or send a blank email to leave-42211-13251.645f86b5cec4da0a56ffea7a89172...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@mail-archive.com. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=42212 or send a blank email to leave-42212-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
RE:[tips] Old ideas in psych/Erikson
Dear Tipsters., Woops...sorry about that! Stuart __ Recti Cultus Pectora Roborant Stuart J. McKelvie, Ph.D., Department of Psychology, Bishop's University, 2600 rue College, Sherbrooke (Borough of Lennoxville), QC J1M 1Z7, Canada. stuart.mckel...@ubishops.ca (819)822-9600X2402 Floreat Labore __ -Original Message- From: Stuart McKelvie [mailto:smcke...@ubishops.ca] Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:32 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE:[tips] Old ideas in psych/Erikson Dear Fiona, That show sounds interesting. Having a cuppa then off for shut-eye. Love, Dad xxoxxo __ Recti Cultus Pectora Roborant Stuart J. McKelvie, Ph.D., Department of Psychology, Bishop's University, 2600 rue College, Sherbrooke (Borough of Lennoxville), QC J1M 1Z7, Canada. stuart.mckel...@ubishops.ca (819)822-9600X2402 Floreat Labore __ -Original Message- From: Gerald Peterson [mailto:peter...@svsu.edu] Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:18 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: [tips] Old ideas in psych/Erikson Jeff Ricker noted: I've been looking at the issue of Erikson's relevance to contemporary work for the past hour and must tentatively disagree with Gary's claim. Yes, even Erikson criticized his own work after his retirement and seemed unsure whether research in this area could ever be scientific. Nevertheless, he seemed to believe that the assumptions and general principles that formed the foundation of his thinking were valid. MY RESPONSE: I think it was good that Erikson recognized problems with the scientific value of his ideas. I always felt they were interesting, but just not as theoretically useful, but the Barnum-like way they are described in Psych texts is also problem. Text authors seem to revel in the vagueness, and everyone looks for confirmation in anecdotal accounts while finding, events to fit the theory in hindsight. I think the same problems are reinforced in educating health professionals...they are told such unsupported ideas are relevant, and taught to look for ways to fit his(and other) ideas to cases. Again, such ideas are comfortable frameworks that are thus made to feel important and relevant. This leads such folks to feel they have knowledge to sharewhether it is evidenced based or not. Thus, notions like Kubler-Ross's stages of dying, and similar (or, even more pseudoscientific) views become required lore in the socialization/training of health professionals. What is seen as important, and what is actually efficacious in practice may be different. However, it is warming a few degrees here, and I am becoming less curmudgeonly, so I will defer to those with more expertise in developmental science ;-) --- JEFF NOTED And his ideas about and theories of fundamental developmental challenges seem to still be important in areas like nursing, social work, and counseling psychology. I noticed that this may be especially true in the care and treatment of geriatric patients, which is the issue that gave rise to this thread. Perhaps someone with expertise in this broad area could expound on this a bit. YES, AGREE... G.L. (Gary) Peterson,Ph.D Psychology@SVSU --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: smcke...@ubishops.ca. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13510.2cc18398df2e6692fffc29a610cb72e3n=Tl=tipso=42205 or send a blank email to leave-42205-13510.2cc18398df2e6692fffc29a610cb7...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: smcke...@ubishops.ca. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13510.2cc18398df2e6692fffc29a610cb72e3n=Tl=tipso=42210 or send a blank email to leave-42210-13510.2cc18398df2e6692fffc29a610cb7...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@mail-archive.com. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=42211 or send a blank email to leave-42211-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
[tips] Erikson the Oliver Sachs discussion
Well, I'm feeling pestiferous today, second post of the day and one to stir the pot. The discussion over the great loss of Oliver Sachs brings home to me the waste of time in teaching Erikson, particularly in intro psych where there is no time to deconstruct and critically examine properly. Clearly one can see whatever conflicts one wants to depending on one's predisposition to see it and the same stage could be applied across any age groups, really. There are elements of all of the so-called stages at every age--especially when a 70-year old is stuck in the conflict attributed to the 30-year old. I'm waiting for convincing evidence for why I want to teach this old and tired and poorly empirically-supported overall information, instead of bringing in more modern developmental theories. Except that every standardized test seems to LOVE to ask one or two multiple choice questions to see who has properly memorized ages and stages. Sigh. And that is what I teach in intro psych: planning to take the GRE at some point? Cram this the night before. Then forget it. To quote a(n in)famous tipster: give me something to change my mind. Annette Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph. D. Professor, Psychological Sciences University of San Diego 5998 Alcala Park San Diego, CA 92110-2492 tay...@sandiego.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@mail-archive.com. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=42197 or send a blank email to leave-42197-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
RE:[tips] Cold Enough For You?
We expect a bit of drizzle tonight; otherwise we are the usual sunny mid-to high-70's during the day, a little bit foggy and down to the low 60's at night. Sigh. Not good for drought but good for teaching as a craft. I'll be grading essay exams at Balboa Park today after my morning run. We pay a huge premium--but apparently no more so than folks in NYC ;) Annette Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph. D. Professor, Psychological Sciences University of San Diego 5998 Alcala Park San Diego, CA 92110-2492 tay...@sandiego.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@mail-archive.com. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=42196 or send a blank email to leave-42196-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Erikson the Oliver Sachs discussion
On Feb 21, 2015, at 9:27 AM, Gerald Peterson peter...@svsu.edu wrote: I agree. There are many personality folks that may have had historical influences, but whose ideas are refuted or simply not relevant in contemporary work, that I would rather not cover. I've been looking at the issue of Erikson's relevance to contemporary work for the past hour and must tentatively disagree with Gary's claim. Yes, even Erikson criticized his own work after his retirement and seemed unsure whether research in this area could ever be scientific. Nevertheless, he seemed to believe that the assumptions and general principles that formed the foundation of his thinking were valid. And his ideas about and theories of fundamental developmental challenges seem to still be important in areas like nursing, social work, and counseling psychology. I noticed that this may be especially true in the care and treatment of geriatric patients, which is the issue that gave rise to this thread. Perhaps someone with expertise in this broad area could expound on this a bit. Best, Jeff -- - Jeffry Ricker, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology - Scottsdale Community College 9000 E. Chaparral Road Scottsdale, AZ 85256-2626 Office: SB-123 Phone: (480) 423-6213 Fax: (480) 423-6298 --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@mail-archive.com. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=42203 or send a blank email to leave-42203-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Cold Enough For You?
On Feb 20, 2015, at 7:55 AM, Mike Palij m...@nyu.edu wrote: are they taking snow days and adding days to the end of the semester Scottsdale, AZ, was not affected by the weather out east, of course. The Maricopa Community Colleges, which includes my college, have been closed only once because of weather. That occurred last semester (September 8th) when we got a lot of rain :-) I grew up outside of Chicago and remember listening apprehensively to the radio, hoping to hear my school mentioned in the list of closings due to snow. It felt strange to be doing the same thing last semester to see if I would get a rain day. But I felt Just as excited when I heard my school mentioned as I had when I was a kid. My first thought was to grab my sled and run over to a friend's house ... Best, Jeff -- - Jeffry Ricker, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology - Scottsdale Community College 9000 E. Chaparral Road Scottsdale, AZ 85256-2626 Office: SB-123 Phone: (480) 423-6213 Fax: (480) 423-6298 --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@mail-archive.com. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=42199 or send a blank email to leave-42199-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Erikson the Oliver Sachs discussion
He's #85 on the list of eminent psychologists since WWII. :) Archives of Scientific Psychology 2014, 2, 20-32 DOI: http://dx.doi.org/10.1037/arc006 Rick Rick Froman rfro...@jbu.edumailto:rfro...@jbu.edu On Feb 21, 2015, at 9:04 AM, Annette Taylor tay...@sandiego.edumailto:tay...@sandiego.edu wrote: To quote a(n in)famous tipster: give me something to change my mind. --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@mail-archive.com. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=42202 or send a blank email to leave-42202-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Erikson the Oliver Sachs discussion
I agree. There are many personality folks that may have had historical influences, but whose ideas are refuted or simply not relevant in contemporary work, that I would rather not cover. It IS fun for many to cover I suppose, once they have lecture/lessons prepared on Jung and others. I love Adler, Sullivan and Horney in my Personality class, butexcept for historical relevance, I'm not sure they represent current theoretical development. But waitI am not sure there has been theoretical advancement in the field lol. I guess it begs the question as to who and what we cover and why. Gee, does anyone take the Psych GRE anymore? If these folks are covered there, well my goodness, who are we to disagree lol. G.L. (Gary) Peterson,Ph.D Psychology@SVSU On Feb 21, 2015, at 10:04 AM, Annette Taylor tay...@sandiego.edu wrote: Well, I'm feeling pestiferous today, second post of the day and one to stir the pot. The discussion over the great loss of Oliver Sachs brings home to me the waste of time in teaching Erikson, particularly in intro psych where there is no time to deconstruct and critically examine properly. Clearly one can see whatever conflicts one wants to depending on one's predisposition to see it and the same stage could be applied across any age groups, really. There are elements of all of the so-called stages at every age--especially when a 70-year old is stuck in the conflict attributed to the 30-year old. I'm waiting for convincing evidence for why I want to teach this old and tired and poorly empirically-supported overall information, instead of bringing in more modern developmental theories. Except that every standardized test seems to LOVE to ask one or two multiple choice questions to see who has properly memorized ages and stages. Sigh. And that is what I teach in intro psych: planning to take the GRE at some point? Cram this the night before. Then forget it. To quote a(n in)famous tipster: give me something to change my mind. Annette Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph. D. Professor, Psychological Sciences University of San Diego 5998 Alcala Park San Diego, CA 92110-2492 tay...@sandiego.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: peter...@svsu.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13445.e3edca0f6e68bfb76eaf26a8eb6dd94bn=Tl=tipso=42197 or send a blank email to leave-42197-13445.e3edca0f6e68bfb76eaf26a8eb6dd...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@mail-archive.com. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=42200 or send a blank email to leave-42200-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
RE: [tips] Cold Enough For You?
Hi Winnipeg (Winterpeg) is known for its cold weather in winter, but it brings with it great snow sculptures. http://www.communitynewscommons.org/our-neighbourhoods/let-the-worlds-largest-kitchen-party-begin/ And apparently there was a poll recently asking whether people preferred our cold or the massive snow out east. Cold won out I understand, not surprising given the scenes from the east. The following includes a 50 sec video of 12 hours of snow accumulating. http://www.theweathernetwork.com/news/articles/by-the-numbers-and-in-pictures-atlantic-canadas-latest-epic-snow-blast/45559/ Apparently it is due to a plot by Putin to strike back at North America for the sanctions. http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/bitter-siberian-winds-to-blame-for-canadian-chill-1.2245247 Unfortunately, the cold weather is only going to add fuel to conspiracy theories about climate change. Take care Jim Jim Clark Professor Chair of Psychology University of Winnipeg 204-786-9757 Room 4L41A (4th Floor Lockhart) www.uwinnipeg.ca/~clarkhttp://www.uwinnipeg.ca/~clark From: Jeffry Ricker, Ph.D. [mailto:jeff.ric...@scottsdalecc.edu] Sent: February-21-15 10:24 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] Cold Enough For You? On Feb 20, 2015, at 7:55 AM, Mike Palij m...@nyu.edumailto:m...@nyu.edu wrote: are they taking snow days and adding days to the end of the semester Scottsdale, AZ, was not affected by the weather out east, of course. The Maricopa Community Colleges, which includes my college, have been closed only once because of weather. That occurred last semester (September 8th) when we got a lot of rain :-) I grew up outside of Chicago and remember listening apprehensively to the radio, hoping to hear my school mentioned in the list of closings due to snow. It felt strange to be doing the same thing last semester to see if I would get a rain day. But I felt Just as excited when I heard my school mentioned as I had when I was a kid. My first thought was to grab my sled and run over to a friend's house ... Best, Jeff -- - Jeffry Ricker, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology - Scottsdale Community College 9000 E. Chaparral Road Scottsdale, AZ 85256-2626 Office: SB-123 Phone: (480) 423-6213 Fax: (480) 423-6298 --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: j.cl...@uwinnipeg.camailto:j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13251.645f86b5cec4da0a56ffea7a891720c9n=Tl=tipso=42199 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-42199-13251.645f86b5cec4da0a56ffea7a89172...@fsulist.frostburg.edumailto:leave-42199-13251.645f86b5cec4da0a56ffea7a89172...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@mail-archive.com. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=42201 or send a blank email to leave-42201-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
[tips] Old ideas in psych/Erikson
Jeff Ricker noted: I've been looking at the issue of Erikson's relevance to contemporary work for the past hour and must tentatively disagree with Gary's claim. Yes, even Erikson criticized his own work after his retirement and seemed unsure whether research in this area could ever be scientific. Nevertheless, he seemed to believe that the assumptions and general principles that formed the foundation of his thinking were valid. MY RESPONSE: I think it was good that Erikson recognized problems with the scientific value of his ideas. I always felt they were interesting, but just not as theoretically useful, but the Barnum-like way they are described in Psych texts is also problem. Text authors seem to revel in the vagueness, and everyone looks for confirmation in anecdotal accounts while finding, events to fit the theory in hindsight. I think the same problems are reinforced in educating health professionals...they are told such unsupported ideas are relevant, and taught to look for ways to fit his(and other) ideas to cases. Again, such ideas are comfortable frameworks that are thus made to feel important and relevant. This leads such folks to feel they have knowledge to sharewhether it is evidenced based or not. Thus, notions like Kubler-Ross's stages of dying, and similar (or, even more pseudoscientific) views become required lore in the socialization/training of health professionals. What is seen as important, and what is actually efficacious in practice may be different. However, it is warming a few degrees here, and I am becoming less curmudgeonly, so I will defer to those with more expertise in developmental science ;-) --- JEFF NOTED And his ideas about and theories of fundamental developmental challenges seem to still be important in areas like nursing, social work, and counseling psychology. I noticed that this may be especially true in the care and treatment of geriatric patients, which is the issue that gave rise to this thread. Perhaps someone with expertise in this broad area could expound on this a bit. YES, AGREE... G.L. (Gary) Peterson,Ph.D Psychology@SVSU --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@mail-archive.com. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=42205 or send a blank email to leave-42205-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
