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Jim, could you help Laura get set up on here and the TMA site??? Thanks so much! Jeanne ---Original Message--- From: Laura Beaudin Date: 8/14/2009 1:22:16 AM To: jrushton Subject: Re: [TMIC] TM and MS + carecure.org problem Hi Jeanne, I believe that this is the only email I received from you, but thanks. I'm glad that you were able to recover...I keep hoping that something will improve, but so far there is nothing. I have total paralysis (movement-wise) south of T10 and limited feeling. Bladder and bowels also went out the door with the TM. I was in hospital for 4 months, much of that at a leading rehab hospital, but there is only so much they can do unfortunately when the muscles refuse to react to any stimulation. Could you send me some links to TM sites? I am still unfamiliar with most of them. I am also on facebook at the above address, would love it if you added me. Thanks Laura On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 8:36 PM, jrushtonjrush...@columbiaenergyllc.com wrote: Hi, Laura, I think I just e-mailed you??? When I was first stricken with TM in 2005, I was paralyzed from the chest down and with lots and lots of PT, I am able to walk actually pretty well. Much better at home than when I go somewhere. Those times I sometimes use my wheelchair and when we travel, I use it quite often. All of this is from stubbornness and pure determination and never, ever giving up. We have a hot tub and I do all of my PT in that and I think that has helped me more than anything else. I really think water therapy is number one in getting you better. I still can't feel from the chest down like I could before but I so have odd sensations but nothing really like normal. I had to retrain myself to go to the bathroom and still have urinary issues but nothing I can't handle. The bowel issue doesn't work without help of herbs but it also works. I hope this helps, Laurie. The TMIC group is so wonderful and it is like a big, caring family of friends. Please join one the TM sites as there are a few. You can find one that 'fits' you the best. I'm also on Facebook and there are a lot of us TMer's on that, also. Please take care..Jeanne ---Original Message--- From: Laura Beaudin Date: 8/13/2009 11:26:41 PM To: tmic-list@eskimo.com Subject: [TMIC] TM and MS + carecure.org problem Hi, I recently joined this list and am happy to have found it. I've had MS symptoms since I was 17 and was diagnosed with MS several years ago (I'm 31). I started getting severe back spasms in March, along with other relapse symptoms, so after emailing my neuro for his input, decided to go to the ER for pain management and steroids. I walked in and never walked since. TM is the cause and I'm wondering if many of you have MS and what kind of recovery you have had? I've had total paraparesis since with no recovery and am pass the three month mark, which kinda depresses me. I was discharged a month ago and am frustrated with life in a wheelchair, especially as a newly-single mother with two preschoolers. I also wanted to ask if someone has a connection with carecure.org (which is where I found out about this list, I believe). I've been trying to register and there's a problem with their captcha software...so I can't even contact them via email about it, since their contact form uses the same software. Could someone kindly contact an admin and ask them to contact me at my email? (laura.beau...@gmail.com). It looks like an awesome site, but I'd rather get the chance to participate. Cheers! Laura -- Laura http://practical-homeschooling.org http://www.flickr.com/photos/khaleeka -- Laura http://practical-homeschooling.org http://www.flickr.com/photos/khaleeka
Re: [TMIC] TM and MS + carecure.org problem
Laura, I am glad you have joined this group - welcome! There are several here who have had TM and then MS. I am sure they will weigh in and talk to you about your questions. Janice - Original Message - From: Laura Beaudin laura.beau...@gmail.com To: tmic-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 11:26 PM Subject: [TMIC] TM and MS + carecure.org problem Hi, I recently joined this list and am happy to have found it. I've had MS symptoms since I was 17 and was diagnosed with MS several years ago (I'm 31). I started getting severe back spasms in March, along with other relapse symptoms, so after emailing my neuro for his input, decided to go to the ER for pain management and steroids. I walked in and never walked since. TM is the cause and I'm wondering if many of you have MS and what kind of recovery you have had? I've had total paraparesis since with no recovery and am pass the three month mark, which kinda depresses me. I was discharged a month ago and am frustrated with life in a wheelchair, especially as a newly-single mother with two preschoolers. I also wanted to ask if someone has a connection with carecure.org (which is where I found out about this list, I believe). I've been trying to register and there's a problem with their captcha software...so I can't even contact them via email about it, since their contact form uses the same software. Could someone kindly contact an admin and ask them to contact me at my email? (laura.beau...@gmail.com). It looks like an awesome site, but I'd rather get the chance to participate. Cheers! Laura -- Laura http://practical-homeschooling.org http://www.flickr.com/photos/khaleeka
Re: [TMIC] TM and MS + carecure.org problem
Hi Laura and welcome! As Janice said there are several people who have had TM MS, and I'm sure they will help with any questions you may have. Also, Jeanne had suggested that you get set up on the TMA site, click on Message Forum. There is a wealth of information there about those who have TM/MS. If you have any questions about how to post any questions, just let us know. We're happy to help. Linda - Original Message - From: Janicemailto:jan...@centurytel.net To: Laura Beaudinmailto:laura.beau...@gmail.com ; tmic-list@eskimo.commailto:tmic-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [TMIC] TM and MS + carecure.org problem Laura, I am glad you have joined this group - welcome! There are several here who have had TM and then MS. I am sure they will weigh in and talk to you about your questions. Janice - Original Message - From: Laura Beaudin laura.beau...@gmail.commailto:laura.beau...@gmail.com To: tmic-list@eskimo.commailto:tmic-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 11:26 PM Subject: [TMIC] TM and MS + carecure.org problem Hi, I recently joined this list and am happy to have found it. I've had MS symptoms since I was 17 and was diagnosed with MS several years ago (I'm 31). I started getting severe back spasms in March, along with other relapse symptoms, so after emailing my neuro for his input, decided to go to the ER for pain management and steroids. I walked in and never walked since. TM is the cause and I'm wondering if many of you have MS and what kind of recovery you have had? I've had total paraparesis since with no recovery and am pass the three month mark, which kinda depresses me. I was discharged a month ago and am frustrated with life in a wheelchair, especially as a newly-single mother with two preschoolers. I also wanted to ask if someone has a connection with carecure.org (which is where I found out about this list, I believe). I've been trying to register and there's a problem with their captcha software...so I can't even contact them via email about it, since their contact form uses the same software. Could someone kindly contact an admin and ask them to contact me at my email? (laura.beau...@gmail.commailto:laura.beau...@gmail.com). It looks like an awesome site, but I'd rather get the chance to participate. Cheers! Laura -- Laura http://practical-homeschooling.orghttp://practical-homeschooling.org/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/khaleekahttp://www.flickr.com/photos/khaleeka
[TMIC] TM and MS + carecure.org problem
Hi, I recently joined this list and am happy to have found it. I've had MS symptoms since I was 17 and was diagnosed with MS several years ago (I'm 31). I started getting severe back spasms in March, along with other relapse symptoms, so after emailing my neuro for his input, decided to go to the ER for pain management and steroids. I walked in and never walked since. TM is the cause and I'm wondering if many of you have MS and what kind of recovery you have had? I've had total paraparesis since with no recovery and am pass the three month mark, which kinda depresses me. I was discharged a month ago and am frustrated with life in a wheelchair, especially as a newly-single mother with two preschoolers. I also wanted to ask if someone has a connection with carecure.org (which is where I found out about this list, I believe). I've been trying to register and there's a problem with their captcha software...so I can't even contact them via email about it, since their contact form uses the same software. Could someone kindly contact an admin and ask them to contact me at my email? (laura.beau...@gmail.com). It looks like an awesome site, but I'd rather get the chance to participate. Cheers! Laura -- Laura http://practical-homeschooling.org http://www.flickr.com/photos/khaleeka
[TMIC] TM or MS?
Grace, What is LETM's and what is MNO?
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Hi Regina, NMO is often referred to as Devic's Disease. It is extremely rare, though in the last years I have heard that the number of documented cases has climbed to around 1000-1500 here in the States. LETM lesions are : Long extensive transverse myelitis, usually covering at least three segments of cord, and often more. At this time, NMO is incurable, and for a lot of relapsing patients, like myself, the prognosis is poor. We incur our damage during the acute attack. Our lesions are different in that they are often necrotic (Tissue death.) with cavitations. In our variety of optic neuritis, there is also axon death in the optic nerve. The Mayo Clinic was the very first facility to devise a test for this disease, discovering that unlike MS or Transverse Myelitis, the disease is antibody dependent. The sad thing is that neuros as a whole, are so unfamiliar with it and often misdiagnose it as MS, meaning that the patient is deprived of the appropriate treatment, often with catastrophic results. Currently, I am undergoing Rituxan infusions. It has had some promising results in the initial clinical trials for NMO, and the trials are still going on. Whenever my oral drugs stopped working, my neuro decided that it was my best shot at lengthening the amount of time between attacks and also making them more manageable wheneverthey do occur. Hope this helps. Grace
[TMIC] TM and MS
Hi My father's symptoms become worse and doctors say his TM may turn into MS. He has no lesions in his brain.They prescriped Betafron/Betaseron. It is a medicine for Ms. I want to know if any of you use this drug and do you think is it possible without having lesions in brain one have MS? Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.
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I do not take this medication or any for TM except for my bowels that don't function properly. But this is the info I have been given from my neuro regarding TM and MS. He told me when I was diagnosed with TM that about 30% of the patients will go on to deveolp M/S. He said he diagnosed a male with TM, no white spots in his brain at that time and 7 years later had M/S. I was diagnosed June 2005 with TM and now due to developing problems, I am having a brain MRI next Fri to see if I have developed any more white spots and started me on 1000mg sterods for 5 days and decreasing to 250mg for the last 5 days. Naturally, my sugar has sky rocketed and now injection during this use of steroids. At the time of TM diagnois, I had only 2 white spots, which he assured me was good for a 55 year old person. As I saw someone had already written a few days ago, he also told me to develop these spots is natuaral progression as we age. Whatever! I take it one day at a time. Carol from Culver From: neda fotouhie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: tmic-list@eskimo.com Subject: [TMIC] TM and MS Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:09:22 -0800 (PST) Hi My father's symptoms become worse and doctors say his TM may turn into MS. He has no lesions in his brain.They prescriped Betafron/Betaseron. It is a medicine for Ms. I want to know if any of you use this drug and do you think is it possible without having lesions in brain one have MS? - Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.
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I used this for about two years beforeI made the switch to rebif another MS drug. Rebif was not yet approved in the US so I started on the betaseron until it was. But towards the end of my time on the betaseron they changed their formula so the drug no longer needed refrigeration. Once they did that I started having terrible sight reactions again. I had them at the beginning too but they tapered off. Once the new formula was in place they got very bad again. So I was happy to make the change to the rebif. The only difference is the rebif stings when you take it. The beta did not. But you can get a Rx for some cream that numbs the skin. I generally don't have any sensation at the shot sight but every once in a while I hit a "live nerve" and Yowww that sucker burns. Also the drug company will tell you to use an ice pack before and after the shot (either beta or rebif). But if you use a hot pack the sight reactions are smaller, the pain is less, and the drug is absorbed faster. This is what the drug company "experts" have learned from real live patients like us. So skip the ice and use a hot pack. I use a sock filled with rice in the micro for a minute or two. Take care. Your Dad is lucky to have you looking out for him, Sandy in Wisconsin where snow actually fell like it was promised but my husband still bought the wrong lottery tickets! - Original Message - From: neda fotouhie To: tmic-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 2:09 AM Subject: [TMIC] TM and MS Hi My father's symptoms become worse and doctors say his TM may turn into MS. He has no lesions in his brain.They prescriped Betafron/Betaseron. It is a medicine for Ms. I want to know if any of you use this drug and do you think is it possible without having lesions in brain one have MS? Yahoo! MailUse Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.
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hi i must have missed your original post,please give me a little history on your dad,(as far as symptoms and treatments).this topic has been going on for a couple of weeks and theres alotof lnteresting post on it. jeff central nyneda fotouhie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi ! My father's symptoms become worse and doctors say his TM may turn into MS. He has no lesions in his brain.They prescriped Betafron/Betaseron. It is a medicine for Ms. I want to know if any of you use this drug and do you think is it possible without having lesions in brain one have MS? Yahoo! MailUse Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.DIPLOMACY DOES NOTWORK WHEN DEALING WITHNUT'S HELL BENT ONDESTROYING US. Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses!
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marie, your story certainly struck a chord with me. i was dx with tm in may 2000. one lesion c2-c6. none in my brain. sept 2005 my neuro repeated brain mri, i have 10 plus lesions in my brain, she tells me absolutely i now have ms. then 2 weeks later as we talk again she changes her tune after reviewing an mri i had in 2002 when i had pneumonia, which was not of good quality as i couldn't hold still because of the pain, because it too showed changes in the white matter of my brain, then they called them insignificant. she says because there hasn't been any other big symptoms it might not be ms. i did have an episode of not being able to initiate swallowing a year ago. so she ran more tests, evoked potentials on eyes and brain stem, another lumbar punch, neuropsych testing. no more signs of demylenization so for now it's not ms. the neuropsych testing did show marked decrease in memory which could be a sign of ms, but not without other symptoms she says that some people over 50, i'm 53, get these lesions in their brains, just a part of aging, i guess. i really felt yanked around emotionally. but am glad she changed her mind and didn't go ahead and put me on the ms drugs. i have an appt in may to see dr kerr and am looking forward to getting another opinion on this. sue On Sunday, February 12, 2006, at 10:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Feb. 7th was my 4th year anniversary of having TM... I have come a long way from that night from hell when no-one could figure out exactly what was wrong with me... Finally, it was decided TM was the diagnosis. Johns Hopkins agreed with this diagnosis.I take 600mg of neurontin 4 times a day... tho am never without pain.. I now walk with a walker, have hand controls on my car and with my faith and family have adjusted to my new life style. Due to Medicare I had to switch all my doctors. A Neurologist was highly recommened as one of the best in the area. Long story short...after all new MRI's etc... etc.. he informed me that without a doubt I have Multiple Sclerosis. I am still in shock and not sure what is my next step. I have made an appointment with another top neurologist in the D.C area.. I have 5 lesions on my brain which supposedly indicate MS. I am 59 years old. Also my brother -55- was just diagnosed with underlying MS Any thoughts, suggestions would be greatly, greatly accepted... Anyone of you with TM have lesions on the brain Thanks so much! Marie Arthur
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Hi Sue, Please let us know what Dr. Kerr has to say about your history after you have seen him. It will be very interesting to see his take on all this. Heather in Calgary - Original Message - From: Sue Zieke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: tmic-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [TMIC] TM or MS marie, your story certainly struck a chord with me. i was dx with tm in may 2000. one lesion c2-c6. none in my brain. sept 2005 my neuro repeated brain mri, i have 10 plus lesions in my brain, she tells me absolutely i now have ms. then 2 weeks later as we talk again she changes her tune after reviewing an mri i had in 2002 when i had pneumonia, which was not of good quality as i couldn't hold still because of the pain, because it too showed changes in the white matter of my brain, then they called them insignificant. she says because there hasn't been any other big symptoms it might not be ms. i did have an episode of not being able to initiate swallowing a year ago. so she ran more tests, evoked potentials on eyes and brain stem, another lumbar punch, neuropsych testing. no more signs of demylenization so for now it's not ms. the neuropsych testing did show marked decrease in memory which could be a sign of ms, but not without other symptoms she says that some people over 50, i'm 53, get these lesions in their brains, just a part of aging, i guess. i really felt yanked around emotionally. but am glad she changed her mind and didn't go ahead and put me on the ms drugs. i have an appt in may to see dr kerr and am looking forward to getting another opinion on this. sue On Sunday, February 12, 2006, at 10:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Feb. 7th was my 4th year anniversary of having TM... I have come a long way from that night from hell when no-one could figure out exactly what was wrong with me... Finally, it was decided TM was the diagnosis. Johns Hopkins agreed with this diagnosis.I take 600mg of neurontin 4 times a day... tho am never without pain.. I now walk with a walker, have hand controls on my car and with my faith and family have adjusted to my new life style. Due to Medicare I had to switch all my doctors. A Neurologist was highly recommened as one of the best in the area. Long story short...after all new MRI's etc... etc.. he informed me that without a doubt I have Multiple Sclerosis. I am still in shock and not sure what is my next step. I have made an appointment with another top neurologist in the D.C area.. I have 5 lesions on my brain which supposedly indicate MS. I am 59 years old. Also my brother -55- was just diagnosed with underlying MS Any thoughts, suggestions would be greatly, greatly accepted... Anyone of you with TM have lesions on the brain Thanks so much! Marie Arthur -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.9/261 - Release Date: 2/15/2006
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During the diagnosis process they did MRIs of the spine and the brainI had lesions in bothbut the lesions on the brain were not MS, but rather I was diagnosed with Acute Tranvsverse Myelitis with Encephalytis (sp?)..when the Enceph abated, so did the lesions...as did the lesion on my spine..my most recent brain MRI only shows signs ofTIAs that I've had over theyears...the spine MRI shows t8 as the spot of my TM, but no lesion thereThis TM is weird, and each of us differs in how we present our maladies! janh Stillwater, OKGary and Becky Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marie,I guess this is something new to me. I was under the impression that with TM the brain had no lesions, just the spinal cord. But if you had lesions on the brain while at Joh! ns Hopkins and they diagnosed you as TM, not MS, then someone can have lesions on the brain and NOT have MS (except NOW another Dr. says you HAVE MS!).I guess I'm confused about the brain lesions!Crystal wrote to me, and an MRI DID NOT show lesions on her brain but a Lumbar Puncture led to a diagnosis of Progressive MS.So, I guess one can have MS WITHOUT lesions, and according to your Johns Hopkins diagnosis, one can have brain lesions WITHOUT MS. ??Gary in Michigan- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <TMIC-LIST@ESKIMO.COM>Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 11:50 PMSubject: [Re: [TMIC] TM or MS] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun Feb 12 22:34:43 CST 2006 To: Deborah Nord Capen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Re: [TMIC] TM or MS Yes, the lesions were there and I have had no real changes in four years?? Dr. Pa! rdo saw me four years ago and his diagnosis was TM. Thanks for your reply! MarieFrom: Deborah Nord Capen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Sun Feb 12 22:30:11 CST 2006To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TMIC] TM or MSDear Marie,Did you have these lesions on your brain four years ago when you went to Johns Hopkins?? Or are these new developments?? Johns Hopkins Transverse Myelopathy Center is the only center in the world that has the most knowledge and treats approximately 700 patients (more than any other doctor) with TM.? ?The brain lesions may be something that came on after your initial diagnosis.?Take care,Debbie? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: tmic-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 8:12 PM Subject: [TMIC] TM or MSFeb. 7th was my 4th year anniversary of having TM... I have come a long way from that night from "hell" when no-one could figure out exactly what was wrong with me... Finally, it was decided TM was the diagnosis. Johns Hopkins agreed with this diagnosis.I take 600mg of neurontin 4 times a day... tho am never without pain.. I now walk with a walker, have hand controls on my car and with my faith and family have adjusted to my new life style. Due to Medicare I had to switch all my doctors. A Neurologist was highly recommened as one of the best in the area. Long story short...after all new MRI's etc... etc.. he informed me that without a doubt I have Multiple Sclerosis. I am still in shock and not sure what is my next step. I have made an appointment with another "top" neurologist in the D.C area..? I have 5 lesions on? my brain which supposedly indicate MS. I! am 59 years old. Also my brother -55- was just diagnosed with underlying MSAny thoughts, suggestions would be greatly, greatly accepted... Anyone of you with TM have lesions on the brainThanks so much!Marie Arthur
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun Feb 12 22:34:43 CST 2006 To: Deborah Nord Capen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: [TMIC] TM or MS Yes, the lesions were there and I have had no real changes in four years?? Dr. Pardo saw me four years ago and his diagnosis was TM. Thanks for your reply! Marie From: Deborah Nord Capen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun Feb 12 22:30:11 CST 2006 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TMIC] TM or MS Dear Marie,Did you have these lesions on your brain four years ago when you went to Johns Hopkins?? Or are these new developments?? Johns Hopkins Transverse Myelopathy Center is the only center in the world that has the most knowledge and treats approximately 700 patients (more than any other doctor) with TM.? ?The brain lesions may be something that came on after your initial diagnosis.?Take care,Debbie? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: tmic-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 8:12 PM Subject: [TMIC] TM or MS Feb. 7th was my 4th year anniversary of having TM... I have come a long way from that night from hell when no-one could figure out exactly what was wrong with me... Finally, it was decided TM was the diagnosis. Johns Hopkins agreed with this diagnosis.I take 600mg of neurontin 4 times a day... tho am never without pain.. I now walk with a walker, have hand controls on my car and with my faith and family have adjusted to my new life style. Due to Medicare I had to switch all my doctors. A Neurologist was highly recommened as one of the best in the area. Long story short...after all new MRI's etc... etc.. he informed me that without a doubt I have Multiple Sclerosis. I am still in shock and not sure what is my next step. I have made an appointment with another top neurologist in the D.C area..? I have 5 lesions on? my brain which supposedly indicate MS. I am 59 years old. Also my brother -55- was just diagnosed with underlying MS Any thoughts, suggestions would be greatly, greatly accepted... Anyone of you with TM have lesions on the brain Thanks so much! Marie Arthur
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the very first sentence always said,TM is the most common form of MS. Anne Shreve, I would hazzard a quess that those were Old books. I was struck down with TM in August 2000, and since then have read everything I could get my hands on about my disease. I am re-evaluated every year by my local Neurologist and by Dr. Kerr at Johns Hopkins. I go with lissts of questions that I leave so they can answer them in detail, if not immediately, by e-mail. I am in the process of getting an appointment with the stem cell therapy group in California (San Fransisco) to receive stem cell therapy as soon as it is available. I hope to be one of the first. You, take care- and have a nice day. Frank
[TMIC] TM and MS
I AM NOT SURE WHY ANYONE THAT HAS TM IS MORE SUSCEPTIBLE TO COMING DOWN WITH MS, I did not know that the chances of getting MS if you have TM are increased. I just want to let everyone know that I wwas going to answer this yesterday. TM is an auto-immune event. The damage is only done once. MS is an auto-immune disorder (disease). The damage is done again and again. TM is almost always just one event. MS is always two or more events. the auto-immune process continues to damage the CNS. Imagine you have a nice new auto-mobile. Your horrible nephew borrows it and runs it off the road. He brings it back. You fix the auto as best you can. but it is never the same. You never let the nephew drive it again. This is TM. Imagine you have a nice new auto-mobile. Your horrible nephew talks you into giving it to him. He has one accident after another ( each accident occurs three to six months apart). He tries to fix itt himself, but eventually the duct tape and bondo can't hold it together. It falls apart. This is MS I hope this helps. F
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In a message dated 10/13/2005 12:47:28 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: thanks frank, i do sort of feel like i'm out of duct tape. sue Hi Sue, I have a brand new mega-roll of duct tape you can use until you replace yours. Let's stick together... Peace, Jude
