Running Tomcat from jsvc

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Hi Folks,
I'm having problems starting Tomcat 5.0.28 using jsvc.
My system is SuSE Linux 9.1 with j2sdk1.4.2_05.
When I start Tomcat using $CATALINA_HOME/bin/startup.sh everything works 
fine. But now I want to run Tomcat as a daemon under a non-root user.

I followed the instructions on[1] for Unix daemon and built jsvc that I 
succeeded to start using the Tomcat5.sh script[2]. But actually, Tomcat 
didn't really start. So I added the options "-verbose" and "-debug" to 
the script[2] and saved the "catalina.out" log[3].

According to the log (line 1367), the daemon startet successfully, but 
when my browsers request http://localhost:8080/ , then there is no 
connection.

The log (line 626)[3] is telling me that "server.xml" couldn't be 
loaded, but it didn't tell why.

Could please somebody give me a hint what might be wrong and what I have 
to change to get it running?

[1]
[2]
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RE: Running Tomcat from jsvc

[Shapira, Yoav]

Hi,
You have to start the jsvc as root, then it changes the effective user
ID to non-root.

Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com


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>Hi Folks,
>I'm having problems starting Tomcat 5.0.28 using jsvc.
>
>My system is SuSE Linux 9.1 with j2sdk1.4.2_05.
>
>When I start Tomcat using $CATALINA_HOME/bin/startup.sh everything
works
>fine. But now I want to run Tomcat as a daemon under a non-root user.
>
>I followed the instructions on[1] for Unix daemon and built jsvc that I
>succeeded to start using the Tomcat5.sh script[2]. But actually, Tomcat
>didn't really start. So I added the options "-verbose" and "-debug" to
>the script[2] and saved the "catalina.out" log[3].
>
>According to the log (line 1367), the daemon startet successfully, but
>when my browsers request http://localhost:8080/ , then there is no
>connection.
>
>The log (line 626)[3] is telling me that "server.xml" couldn't be
>loaded, but it didn't tell why.
>
>Could please somebody give me a hint what might be wrong and what I
have
>to change to get it running?
>
>[1]<http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-5.0-
>doc/setup.html#Unix%20daemon>
>[2]<http://home.arcor.de/plsdontreply/tomcat/Tomcat5.sh.txt>
>[3]<http://home.arcor.de/plsdontreply/tomcat/catalina.out.txt>
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Re: Running Tomcat from jsvc

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Shapira, Yoav wrote:
Hi,
You have to start the jsvc as root, then it changes the effective user
ID to non-root.
Hi,
That's exactly what I did, and according to the log (line 1, line 685), 
the user has been changed. Did I misunderstand something?

Of course, before that, I had tried to start that script as non-root and 
ran into a lot more of errors. But that's a different story.
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Re: Running Tomcat from jsvc

[Wolfgang Hackl]

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When I start Tomcat using $CATALINA_HOME/bin/startup.sh everything works 
fine. But now I want to run Tomcat as a daemon under a non-root user.
[...]
The log (line 626)[3] is telling me that "server.xml" couldn't be 
loaded, but it didn't tell why.
Hi Volkmar,
did you check the file system permissions of your $CATALINA_HOME 
directory? As I can see from my installations, server.xml has read and 
write permissions exclusively for its owner. My conclusion is that the 
directory must belong to the user, will run the service (wwwrun says 
your Tomcat5.sh).

Kind regards,
Wolfgang
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Re: Running Tomcat from jsvc

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Wolfgang Hackl wrote:
Hi Volkmar,
did you check the file system permissions of your $CATALINA_HOME 
directory? As I can see from my installations, server.xml has read and 
write permissions exclusively for its owner. My conclusion is that the 
directory must belong to the user, will run the service (wwwrun says 
your Tomcat5.sh).
Hi Wolfgang,
I got everything in /opt/jakarta-tomcat-5.0.28 owned by root:root.
So you mean, I should change all files in the conf subdirectory to be 
owned by wwwrun? Or is it better/safer to just make those files world 
readable/writeable and leaving them owned by root:root?

When, during installation of Tomcat should I have changed the ownership 
or permissions of which files? I've installed Tomcat using
  cd /opt
  sudo tar xzf /tmp/jakarta-tomcat-5.0.28.tar.gz
so that I got everything owned by root:root.

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Re: Running Tomcat from jsvc

[Kevin Offet]

Hi,
to help cut through the apparent confusion, all you need to do is:
1) change ownership (recursively) of your tomcat install dir to ( if 
your user account that will run tomcat is called for example "tomrunner" 
) tomrunner.tomrunner.

2) change to that user and decompress and build jsvc (in the 
${tomcat.installdir}/bin dir) according to the straightforward 
instructions included.

3) change ownership of the resulting jsvc binary to root.root (root 
initially runs jsvc which then changes the user to your tomrunner)

4) build yourself a decent startup/shutdown script appropriate to your 
distro and your preferences.

Read The Fine Manual at 
http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-5.0-doc/setup.html

for all that you'll need to know. jsvc -help will also spit out it's 
allowed parameters that you can play with.

5) go have fun building web-apps. ;-)
Kevin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wolfgang Hackl wrote:
Hi Volkmar,
did you check the file system permissions of your $CATALINA_HOME 
directory? As I can see from my installations, server.xml has read and 
write permissions exclusively for its owner. My conclusion is that the 
directory must belong to the user, will run the service (wwwrun says 
your Tomcat5.sh).

Hi Wolfgang,
I got everything in /opt/jakarta-tomcat-5.0.28 owned by root:root.
So you mean, I should change all files in the conf subdirectory to be 
owned by wwwrun? Or is it better/safer to just make those files world 
readable/writeable and leaving them owned by root:root?

When, during installation of Tomcat should I have changed the ownership 
or permissions of which files? I've installed Tomcat using
  cd /opt
  sudo tar xzf /tmp/jakarta-tomcat-5.0.28.tar.gz
so that I got everything owned by root:root.

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Re: Running Tomcat from jsvc

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Kevin Offet wrote:
Hi,
to help cut through the apparent confusion, all you need to do is:
1) change ownership (recursively) of your tomcat install dir to ( if 
your user account that will run tomcat is called for example "tomrunner" 
) tomrunner.tomrunner.

2) change to that user and decompress and build jsvc (in the 
${tomcat.installdir}/bin dir) according to the straightforward 
instructions included.

3) change ownership of the resulting jsvc binary to root.root (root 
initially runs jsvc which then changes the user to your tomrunner)

4) build yourself a decent startup/shutdown script appropriate to your 
distro and your preferences.

Read The Fine Manual at 
http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-5.0-doc/setup.html

for all that you'll need to know. jsvc -help will also spit out it's 
allowed parameters that you can play with.

5) go have fun building web-apps. ;-)
Kevin
Thanks so much, Kevin for clarification. Before, it had not been evident 
to me that making jsvc required to do it as the user to which jsvc will 
change. Also, I had all files in $CATALINA_HOME owned by root:root.

Now, as I changed $CATALINA_HOME/conf to ownership tomcat:tomcat and 
after making $CATALINA_HOME/work readable/writable by that user, 
everything works fine.

Thanks for your help again
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running Tomcat from jsvc daemon under Linux as user tomcat

[Bob White]

I am running Tomcat (under Linux) from jsvc daemon as user "tomcat". When I do
this, Tomcat fails to run JSPs because Tomcat cannot create java files in the
work directories and subsequently cannot compile them (cuz they're not there).
 
When I run Tomcat using startup.sh as user "root" I have no problems.
 
When I run Tomcat using startup.sh as user "tomcat", I can compile at least
some of the java files, but there's another problem with one particular app
which uses css stylesheets and the stylesheets don't get made properly.  I'll
worry about that later.
 
Of course, the quick solution is to simply invoke startup.sh as root from my
/etc/init.d/tomcat script. But according to instructions
on the Apache site, I'm supposed to be able to run Tomcat as daemon using jsvc.
 
But something's amiss. I installed Tomcat as user "tomcat" and user "tomcat"
owns the entire directory tree (ie. /usr/local/tomcat5/...).  I put user
"tomcat" into group "tomcat" and group "root" and tried putting the entire
directory tree into both the "tomcat" group and the "root" group.  No
difference.
 
Any ideas?
 
BTW, the exact error message I am getting is:
 
java.io.FileNotFoundException:
/usr/local/tomcat5/work/Catalina/localhost/AHEMSS/org/apache/jsp/ahess/ess0_jsp.java
 at java.io.FileOutputStream.open(Native Method)
 at java.io.FileOutputStream.(FileOutputStream.java:179)
 at java.io.FileOutputStream.(FileOutputStream.java:70)
 at org.apache.jasper.compiler.Compiler.generateJava(Compiler.java:223)
 ... etc
 
..Bob. 

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Re: running Tomcat from jsvc daemon under Linux as user tomcat

[Parsons Technical Services]

Bob,

It sounds like a permissions problem. Check the settings in the context for
"workdir=..."
If you have set this, then you must ensure that your tomcat user has rights
to that directory also.

Read through the following to see if you missed anything in your setup:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=tomcat-user&m=108373546715111&w=2

If all else fails, run TC as root, search for the temp directory and check
the permissions on the parent directory. Set it and the temp directory to
tomcat owner.

Doug
www.parsonstechnical.com


- Original Message - 
From: "Bob White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 2:08 AM
Subject: running Tomcat from jsvc daemon under Linux as user tomcat


> I am running Tomcat (under Linux) from jsvc daemon as user "tomcat". When
I do
> this, Tomcat fails to run JSPs because Tomcat cannot create java files in
the
> work directories and subsequently cannot compile them (cuz they're not
there).
>
> When I run Tomcat using startup.sh as user "root" I have no problems.
>
> When I run Tomcat using startup.sh as user "tomcat", I can compile at
least
> some of the java files, but there's another problem with one particular
app
> which uses css stylesheets and the stylesheets don't get made properly.
I'll
> worry about that later.
>
> Of course, the quick solution is to simply invoke startup.sh as root from
my
> /etc/init.d/tomcat script. But according to instructions
> on the Apache site, I'm supposed to be able to run Tomcat as daemon using
jsvc.
>
> But something's amiss. I installed Tomcat as user "tomcat" and user
"tomcat"
> owns the entire directory tree (ie. /usr/local/tomcat5/...).  I put user
> "tomcat" into group "tomcat" and group "root" and tried putting the entire
> directory tree into both the "tomcat" group and the "root" group.  No
> difference.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> BTW, the exact error message I am getting is:
>
> java.io.FileNotFoundException:
>
/usr/local/tomcat5/work/Catalina/localhost/AHEMSS/org/apache/jsp/ahess/ess0_
jsp.java
>  at java.io.FileOutputStream.open(Native Method)
>  at java.io.FileOutputStream.(FileOutputStream.java:179)
>  at java.io.FileOutputStream.(FileOutputStream.java:70)
>  at org.apache.jasper.compiler.Compiler.generateJava(Compiler.java:223)
>  ... etc
>
> ..Bob.
>
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Re: running Tomcat from jsvc daemon under Linux as user tomcat

[Bob White]

-- DUMPING PARSED COMMAND LINE ARGUMENTS --
jsvc.exec debug: | Detach:  True
jsvc.exec debug: | Show Version:No
jsvc.exec debug: | Show Help:   No
jsvc.exec debug: | Check Only:  Disabled
jsvc.exec debug: | Run as service:  No
jsvc.exec debug: | Install service: No
jsvc.exec debug: | Remove service:  No
jsvc.exec debug: | JVM Name:"server"
jsvc.exec debug: | Java Home:   "/usr/lib/java"
jsvc.exec debug: | PID File:"/usr/local/tomcat5/logs/catalina.pid"
jsvc.exec debug: | User Name:   "tomcat"
jsvc.exec debug: | Extra Options:   8
jsvc.exec debug: |   "-verbose"
jsvc.exec debug: |   "-Dcatalina.home=/usr/local/tomcat5"
jsvc.exec debug: |   "-Djava.io.tmpdir=/usr/local/tomcat5/temp"
jsvc.exec debug: |   "-Djava.endorsed.dirs=/usr/local/tomcat5/common/endorsed"
jsvc.exec debug: |   "-Dcatalina.base=/usr/local/tomcat5"
jsvc.exec debug: |  
"-Djava.class.path=/usr/lib/java/lib/tools.jar:/usr/local/tomcat5/bin/commons-daemon.jar:/usr/local/tomcat5/bin/commons-logging-api.jar:/usr/local/tomcat5/bin/bootstrap.jar"
jsvc.exec debug: |   "-Xms256m"
jsvc.exec debug: |   "-Xmx384m"
jsvc.exec debug: | Class Invoked:   "org.apache.catalina.startup.Bootstrap"
jsvc.exec debug: | Class Arguments: 0
jsvc.exec debug: +---
jsvc.exec debug: user changed to 'tomcat'
jsvc.exec debug: User 'tomcat' validated
jsvc.exec debug: Attempting to locate Java Home in /usr/lib/java
jsvc.exec debug: Attempting to locate VM configuration file
/usr/lib/java/jre/lib/jvm.cfg
jsvc.exec debug: Found VM configuration file at /usr/lib/java/jre/lib/jvm.cfg
jsvc.exec debug: Found VM client definition in configuration
jsvc.exec debug: Checking library /usr/lib/java/jre/lib/i386/client/libjvm.so
jsvc.exec debug: Found VM server definition in configuration
jsvc.exec debug: Checking library /usr/lib/java/jre/lib/i386/server/libjvm.so
jsvc.exec debug: Found VM hotspot definition in configuration
jsvc.exec debug: Checking library /usr/lib/java/jre/lib/i386/hotspot/libjvm.so
jsvc.exec debug: Checking library /usr/lib/java/lib/i386/hotspot/libjvm.so
jsvc.exec debug: Cannot locate library for VM hotspot (skipping)
jsvc.exec debug: Found VM classic definition in configuration
jsvc.exec debug: Checking library /usr/lib/java/jre/lib/i386/classic/libjvm.so
jsvc.exec debug: Checking library /usr/lib/java/lib/i386/classic/libjvm.so
jsvc.exec debug: Cannot locate library for VM classic (skipping)
jsvc.exec debug: Found VM native definition in configuration
jsvc.exec debug: Checking library /usr/lib/java/jre/lib/i386/native/libjvm.so
jsvc.exec debug: Checking library /usr/lib/java/lib/i386/native/libjvm.so
jsvc.exec debug: Cannot locate library for VM native (skipping)
jsvc.exec debug: Found VM green definition in configuration
jsvc.exec debug: Checking library /usr/lib/java/jre/lib/i386/green/libjvm.so
jsvc.exec debug: Checking library /usr/lib/java/lib/i386/green/libjvm.so
jsvc.exec debug: Cannot locate library for VM green (skipping)
jsvc.exec debug: Java Home located in /usr/lib/java
jsvc.exec debug: +-- DUMPING JAVA HOME STRUCTURE 
jsvc.exec debug: | Java Home:   "/usr/lib/java"
jsvc.exec debug: | Java VM Config.: "/usr/lib/java/jre/lib/jvm.cfg"
jsvc.exec debug: | Found JVMs:  2
jsvc.exec debug: | JVM Name:"client"
jsvc.exec debug: | 
"/usr/lib/java/jre/lib/i386/client/libjvm.so"
jsvc.exec debug: | JVM Name:"server"
jsvc.exec debug: | 
"/usr/lib/java/jre/lib/i386/server/libjvm.so"
jsvc.exec debug: +---
jsvc.exec debug: Running w/
LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/java/jre/lib/i386/server:/usr/lib/java/jre/lib/i386
jsvc.exec debug: redirecting stdout to /usr/local/tomcat5/logs/catalina.out and
stderr to /usr/local/tomcat5/logs/catalina.err


--- Parsons Technical Services <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bob,
> 
> It sounds like a permissions problem. Check the settings in the context for
> "workdir=..."
> If you have set this, then you must ensure that your tomcat user has rights
> to that directory also.
> 
> Read through the following to see if you missed anything in your setup:
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=tomcat-user&m=108373546715111&w=2
> 
> If all else fails, run TC as root, search for the temp directory and check
> the permissions on the parent directory. Set it and the temp directory to
> tomcat owner.
> 
> Doug
> www.parsonstechnical.com
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Bob White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 2:08 AM
> Subject: running Tomcat

Re: running Tomcat from jsvc daemon under Linux as user tomcat

[Parsons Technical Services]

Bob,

Check one more thing. What are the permission set for on the directories?
Also did you find the work directory? And if so who was the owner and what
were the permissions set to?

Even if you own the directory, if you have set the permissions to not allow
writes you will get errors or access denied.

Just thinking of all possibilities.

I think I did a >chmod -R 750 tomcat5  on my main tomcat directory.

Doug

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From: "Bob White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Tomcat Users List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 5:45 AM
Subject: Re: running Tomcat from jsvc daemon under Linux as user tomcat


> I have set everything in the entire $CATALINA_HOME directory tree to be
owned
> by user tomcat, group tomcat.  I even tried setting them to user.root and
put
> tomcat in the root group.  Still, Tomcat cannot write to the work dir.
>
> When I try to run jsvc as user root, I get a
> java.lang.reflect.InvocationTargetException.
>
> But when I run as root using startup.sh, everything's fine.  And once I've
> compiled the jsps in the work directory and the class files exist, then I
can
> run them under the daemon.  So there's definitely something fishy with the
jsvc
> daemon that is preventing me from compiling.
>
> I carefully set up the init.d tomcat script so that it mimics startup.sh
as
> much as possible.  Still no dice.
>
> I've turned on debugging and I see that when the daemon kicks off, it
lists its
> parsed command line arguments (I've posted the output below).  There are
> options such as run as service, install service, etc.  Should I be trying
to
> run as service?
>
> ..Bob.
>
>
> catalina_home is /usr/local/tomcat5
>
> setting classpath
> classpath is
>
@/usr/lib/java/lib/tools.jar:/usr/local/tomcat5/bin/commons-daemon.jar:/usr/
local/tomcat5/bin/commons-logging-api.jar:/usr/local/tomcat5/bin/bootstrap.j
ar@
>
> jsvc debug: +-- DUMPING PARSED COMMAND LINE ARGUMENTS --
> jsvc debug: | Detach:  True
> jsvc debug: | Show Version:No
> jsvc debug: | Show Help:   No
> jsvc debug: | Check Only:  Disabled
> jsvc debug: | Run as service:  No
> jsvc debug: | Install service: No
> jsvc debug: | Remove service:  No
> jsvc debug: | JVM Name:"server"
> jsvc debug: | Java Home:   "/usr/lib/java"
> jsvc debug: | PID File:"/usr/local/tomcat5/logs/catalina.pid"
> jsvc debug: | User Name:   "tomcat"
> jsvc debug: | Extra Options:   8
> jsvc debug: |   "-verbose"
> jsvc debug: |   "-Dcatalina.home=/usr/local/tomcat5"
> jsvc debug: |   "-Djava.io.tmpdir=/usr/local/tomcat5/temp"
> jsvc debug: |   "-Djava.endorsed.dirs=/usr/local/tomcat5/common/endorsed"
> jsvc debug: |   "-Dcatalina.base=/usr/local/tomcat5"
> jsvc debug: |
>
"-Djava.class.path=/usr/lib/java/lib/tools.jar:/usr/local/tomcat5/bin/common
s-daemon.jar:/usr/local/tomcat5/bin/commons-logging-api.jar:/usr/local/tomca
t5/bin/bootstrap.jar"
> jsvc debug: |   "-Xms256m"
> jsvc debug: |   "-Xmx384m"
> jsvc debug: | Class Invoked:   "org.apache.catalina.startup.Bootstrap"
> jsvc debug: | Class Arguments: 0
> jsvc debug: +---
> jsvc debug: user changed to 'tomcat'
> jsvc debug: User 'tomcat' validated
> jsvc debug: Attempting to locate Java Home in /usr/lib/java
> jsvc debug: Attempting to locate VM configuration file
> /usr/lib/java/jre/lib/jvm.cfg
> jsvc debug: Found VM configuration file at /usr/lib/java/jre/lib/jvm.cfg
> jsvc debug: Found VM client definition in configuration
> jsvc debug: Checking library /usr/lib/java/jre/lib/i386/client/libjvm.so
> jsvc debug: Found VM server definition in configuration
> jsvc debug: Checking library /usr/lib/java/jre/lib/i386/server/libjvm.so
> jsvc debug: Found VM hotspot definition in configuration
> jsvc debug: Checking library /usr/lib/java/jre/lib/i386/hotspot/libjvm.so
> jsvc debug: Checking library /usr/lib/java/lib/i386/hotspot/libjvm.so
> jsvc debug: Cannot locate library for VM hotspot (skipping)
> jsvc debug: Found VM classic definition in configuration
> jsvc debug: Checking library /usr/lib/java/jre/lib/i386/classic/libjvm.so
> jsvc debug: Checking library /usr/lib/java/lib/i386/classic/libjvm.so
> jsvc debug: Cannot locate library for VM classic (skipping)
> jsvc debug: Found VM native definition in configuration
> jsvc debug: Checking library /usr/lib/java/jre/lib/i386/native/libjvm.so
> jsvc debug: Checking library /usr/lib/java/lib/i386/native/libjvm.so
> jsvc debug: Cannot locate library for VM native (skipping)
> jsvc debug: Found

Re: running Tomcat from jsvc daemon under Linux as user tomcat

[Bob White]

I have still not succeeded in getting jsvc daemon to run under Linux as user
tomcat.  All files under CATALINA_HOME are owned by the user tomcat.  All files
have been tried with 750 and 777 permissions.  This does not solve the problem.

I have noticed that jsvc looks up a JRE JVM rather than the development JVM
when it initializes.  The only thing I seem to be able to control (through
jvm.cfg and JVM name) is whether it loads the "server" version or the "client"
version.  But it's still looking up a JRE -- even though tools.jar (a part of
the JDK) is the first file listed in the classpath.

All processes show that they are owned by user tomcat.

The error I am seeing is "FileNotFoundException".  Last line of tomcat code to
be called is:
org.apache.jasper.compiler.Compiler.generateJava(Compiler.java:223)

The problem must have nothing to do with permissions for file ownership.  

Nothing to do with file permissions or ownership.  

The problem persists no matter what the file permissions are or who owns them. 


There is no solution to this from merely changing the permissions (or
ownership) of tomcat files.

And yet, everything works fine when I use startup.sh, even when I run as user
tomcat.  In fact, everything works fine under jsvc so long as all of the class
files for the JSPs have been pre-built before starting tomcat.

I should note that I am using 5.0.19 under SuSE United Linux 1.0.

I have followed all of the instructions shown here:
 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=tomcat-user&m=108373546715111&w=2
And carefully repeated the process several times.

..Bob.

..Bob.

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