Where to place the tomcat distribution in file system
Neil Zanella schrieb: [...] This sets CATALINA_HOME correctly according to the current installation of tomcat4 under /var/tomcat4 (whose correctness according to FHS I am not yet convinced of). What's the official recommendation? The RedHat rpm, which BTW is not marked as RedHat in jakarta download area, installs in /var/tomcat4. UnitedLinux 1.0 installs in /opt/jakarta/tomcat. I thought it would be a good idea to install in /usr/java/tomcat. Hayo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where to place the tomcat distribution in file system
I don't think there is an official recommendation. I put anything unrelated to the official OS distribution under /usr/local, but that's me. John On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:25:14 +0200, Hayo Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Neil Zanella schrieb: [...] This sets CATALINA_HOME correctly according to the current installation of tomcat4 under /var/tomcat4 (whose correctness according to FHS I am not yet convinced of). What's the official recommendation? The RedHat rpm, which BTW is not marked as RedHat in jakarta download area, installs in /var/tomcat4. UnitedLinux 1.0 installs in /opt/jakarta/tomcat. I thought it would be a good idea to install in /usr/java/tomcat. Hayo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Where to place the tomcat distribution in file system
I put Tomcat in the same place where Apache likes to go: /usr/local. I don't make symbolic links anywhere because they are a pain to clean up later and I like everything to be in one place. But that may just be because I'm from a Windows background where everything (should go)goes in /Program Files. _ Atreya Basu Developer, Greenfield Research Inc. e-mail: atreya (at) greenfieldresearch (dot) ca -Original Message- From: Hayo Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 23, 2003 10:25 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Where to place the tomcat distribution in file system Neil Zanella schrieb: >[...] > > >This sets CATALINA_HOME correctly according to the current installation of >tomcat4 under /var/tomcat4 (whose correctness according to FHS I am not >yet convinced of). > > What's the official recommendation? The RedHat rpm, which BTW is not marked as RedHat in jakarta download area, installs in /var/tomcat4. UnitedLinux 1.0 installs in /opt/jakarta/tomcat. I thought it would be a good idea to install in /usr/java/tomcat. Hayo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where to place the tomcat distribution in file system
The different locations make it difficult to understand systems other people have set up. And that wastes time. This obviously is a general problem of Linux. Hayo John Turner schrieb: I don't think there is an official recommendation. I put anything unrelated to the official OS distribution under /usr/local, but that's me. John On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:25:14 +0200, Hayo Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Neil Zanella schrieb: [...] This sets CATALINA_HOME correctly according to the current installation of tomcat4 under /var/tomcat4 (whose correctness according to FHS I am not yet convinced of). What's the official recommendation? The RedHat rpm, which BTW is not marked as RedHat in jakarta download area, installs in /var/tomcat4. UnitedLinux 1.0 installs in /opt/jakarta/tomcat. I thought it would be a good idea to install in /usr/java/tomcat. Hayo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where to place the tomcat distribution in file system
On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:09, Hayo Schmidt wrote: > The different locations make it difficult to understand systems other > people have set up. And that wastes time. > > This obviously is a general problem of Linux. I hate statements like that... What about the fact that one of the first options within just about any Windows based installset is to select the location you wish to install to? I've seen C:\Program Files\, D:\Program Files and even on E:... So it's a quirk of human nature not of any O/S related problem, different people like different things so they do things differently. :) At least on Linux normal users are restricted to their Home directory so they can't muck up the actual filesystem without knowing at least a little about what they are doing... -- Jason Bainbridge http://jblinux.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where to place the tomcat distribution in file system
Jason Bainbridge wrote: On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:09, Hayo Schmidt wrote: The different locations make it difficult to understand systems other people have set up. And that wastes time. This obviously is a general problem of Linux. It's more a problem of people not documenting stuff. The more you deviate from the accepted standard the more you have to document. If there are no accepted standards you have to document even more. I'm not sure Linux or windows are better or worse than each other in this respect. In both cases I've met software that grumbled about not being installed "the way it expected" which is very annoying. -- Jonathan Peterson Technical Manager, BMJ Knowledge, +44 (0)20 7383 6092 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where to place the tomcat distribution in file system
Your comment is incorrect and illogical. Every UNIX or Linux system on and off the planet has the capability to have a directory called /usr/local. Where you put your distribution is up to you. That's the beauty of open source, you can do what you like. If you are using a specific package distribution such as a RPM, then the RPM will put the files where they need to go and your question is moot. John On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:09:00 +0200, Hayo Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The different locations make it difficult to understand systems other people have set up. And that wastes time. This obviously is a general problem of Linux. Hayo John Turner schrieb: I don't think there is an official recommendation. I put anything unrelated to the official OS distribution under /usr/local, but that's me. John On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:25:14 +0200, Hayo Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Neil Zanella schrieb: [...] This sets CATALINA_HOME correctly according to the current installation of tomcat4 under /var/tomcat4 (whose correctness according to FHS I am not yet convinced of). What's the official recommendation? The RedHat rpm, which BTW is not marked as RedHat in jakarta download area, installs in /var/tomcat4. UnitedLinux 1.0 installs in /opt/jakarta/tomcat. I thought it would be a good idea to install in /usr/java/tomcat. Hayo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where to place the tomcat distribution in file system
I have a Folder C:\Programme and a Folder C:\Program Files on my windows system, just because some installers are not programmed correctly.. The point is, i can do what i like with my personal system. But i am working together with colleagues and clients, i might use several systems (FreeBSD, SuSE, Mandrake, Debian...) that members of my computer club (http://www.hmh-ev.de) have set up. And all people can do what they like on their systems. Having an official *recommendation*, just that, would make life much easier than it is now. Yes, standards make life easier. Hayo Jason Bainbridge schrieb: On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:09, Hayo Schmidt wrote: The different locations make it difficult to understand systems other people have set up. And that wastes time. This obviously is a general problem of Linux. I hate statements like that... What about the fact that one of the first options within just about any Windows based installset is to select the location you wish to install to? I've seen C:\Program Files\, D:\Program Files and even on E:... So it's a quirk of human nature not of any O/S related problem, different people like different things so they do things differently. :) At least on Linux normal users are restricted to their Home directory so they can't muck up the actual filesystem without knowing at least a little about what they are doing... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where to place the tomcat distribution in file system
That's why the best practice is to set CATALINA_HOME and JAVA_HOME and be done with it. The only time your multiple environments (many operating systems) cause problems is if developers are lazy and hardcode paths into their properties and source code. If you don't hardcode paths, you can refer to the environment variables that all the documentation says to use: CATALINA_HOME for the location of Tomcat, and JAVA_HOME for the location of the JDK. Since the servlet specification is written to encourage web-app portability, properly using relative paths and properly using environment variables such as CATALINA_HOME is the best practice, since all files that the web application needs will either be under the Host's docBase or in some other location reachable by Tomcat's ClassLoader. Simple. John On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:07:42 +0200, Hayo Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have a Folder C:\Programme and a Folder C:\Program Files on my windows system, just because some installers are not programmed correctly.. The point is, i can do what i like with my personal system. But i am working together with colleagues and clients, i might use several systems (FreeBSD, SuSE, Mandrake, Debian...) that members of my computer club (http://www.hmh-ev.de) have set up. And all people can do what they like on their systems. Having an official *recommendation*, just that, would make life much easier than it is now. Yes, standards make life easier. Hayo Jason Bainbridge schrieb: On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:09, Hayo Schmidt wrote: The different locations make it difficult to understand systems other people have set up. And that wastes time. This obviously is a general problem of Linux. I hate statements like that... What about the fact that one of the first options within just about any Windows based installset is to select the location you wish to install to? I've seen C:\Program Files\, D:\Program Files and even on E:... So it's a quirk of human nature not of any O/S related problem, different people like different things so they do things differently. :) At least on Linux normal users are restricted to their Home directory so they can't muck up the actual filesystem without knowing at least a little about what they are doing... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where to place the tomcat distribution in file system
Oops...that should be "Context's docBase". John On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 08:28:45 -0400, John Turner wrote: That's why the best practice is to set CATALINA_HOME and JAVA_HOME and be done with it. The only time your multiple environments (many operating systems) cause problems is if developers are lazy and hardcode paths into their properties and source code. If you don't hardcode paths, you can refer to the environment variables that all the documentation says to use: CATALINA_HOME for the location of Tomcat, and JAVA_HOME for the location of the JDK. Since the servlet specification is written to encourage web-app portability, properly using relative paths and properly using environment variables such as CATALINA_HOME is the best practice, since all files that the web application needs will either be under the Host's docBase or in some other location reachable by Tomcat's ClassLoader. Simple. John On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:07:42 +0200, Hayo Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have a Folder C:\Programme and a Folder C:\Program Files on my windows system, just because some installers are not programmed correctly.. The point is, i can do what i like with my personal system. But i am working together with colleagues and clients, i might use several systems (FreeBSD, SuSE, Mandrake, Debian...) that members of my computer club (http://www.hmh-ev.de) have set up. And all people can do what they like on their systems. Having an official *recommendation*, just that, would make life much easier than it is now. Yes, standards make life easier. Hayo Jason Bainbridge schrieb: On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:09, Hayo Schmidt wrote: The different locations make it difficult to understand systems other people have set up. And that wastes time. This obviously is a general problem of Linux. I hate statements like that... What about the fact that one of the first options within just about any Windows based installset is to select the location you wish to install to? I've seen C:\Program Files\, D:\Program Files and even on E:... So it's a quirk of human nature not of any O/S related problem, different people like different things so they do things differently. :) At least on Linux normal users are restricted to their Home directory so they can't muck up the actual filesystem without knowing at least a little about what they are doing... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
