Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers
On 2015-02-05 08:30, Jim Brown wrote: On Wed,2/4/2015 10:51 PM, Jan Erik Holm wrote: Sorry if I´m a PITA right now but why even bother to have this debate about K1N on 160, it´s not even DX to NA, like a local station almost. That depends on where in NA you are -- it's pretty big. I'm 5 miles from the Pacific, 70 miles S of San Francisco's Golden Gate Bridge, 3,122 miles from Navassa. London, England is 3,090 miles from Bangor, Maine. Detroit is 1,715 miles from Navassa. Seattle is 3,330 miles from Navassa. All of those North American paths are over land. The paths from EU to Navassa are all over water. I've spent about 8 hours trying to work them on 30M. They are pretty loud here, but I keep getting beat by stations in the eastern half of the US, AND from EU. I did work them the first night they were on 160M. 73, Jim K9YC Yes I know it´s big. I been to all those places, Golden gate bridge, San Francisco, Detroit, Bangor, Seattle and probably very close to your QTH also. I driven across the US a few times, yes I know it´s big. Yes my statement was a bit broad but still, 3000 miles that´s like me working a Italian station, for you west coast would be the extreme case I certainly understand that. In any case if I put it at my perspective I see no big deal in working a Italian station on any band. 73 Jim SM2EKM _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N last night
Yes indeed it was them Tree as K1N is readable here with the RX antenna disconnected on TB. Not even some locals can do this. , KV4FZ On 2/5/2015 1:52 AM, Tree wrote: Appears none of the 160 meter QSOs from last night (Feb 4) were included in the recent log update. Hopefully - it was really them last night. Tree N6TR _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log
On Thu,2/5/2015 8:24 PM, Tom Haavisto wrote: The way I look at it, I got them on 80/160, so anything else is a bonus. Chiil -- there were some Qs that got logged on the wrong band, so they started from scratch, reloading to ClubLog. My 160 and 40 Q went away, now all six are there. 73, Jim K9YC _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log
Back in the day...we didnt have online logs...how did we possibly exist? That was really a long time ago..Like almost 5 years or more. I am dismayed that dxpeditions are now graded by the quality of their online logs and we demand perfection in every regard. But our own state of perfection is less than ideal. Funny that.. 73 DX Dale - N3BNA (this is a general comment, not meant to focus on any one person) _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log
Hi, Jim Well, it was a bit of a wait, but all 6 of my QSOs are back online now, including 160. I also got 'em on 80 and 160 - but - wonder of wonders - I wkd 'em on 160 fairly quickly on 160 with my 80m GP that, at the moment has only one radial! I've been off the air for a while struggling with a bout of MS - that's better now. My antennas are a mess and need some work and my beat-up old antenna tuner needs some repairs also. So, I'm a happy camper and glad that Navassa is close and the path loss is not so bad! Glad the logs are back on line! With the zoo of packet-rat tuners and the deliberate jammers, it's nice to get log confirmation online - but of course we didn't have that in the old days of hunt pounce and paper logs! Glad your Qa are back online! 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 12:41 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log On Thu,2/5/2015 8:24 PM, Tom Haavisto wrote: The way I look at it, I got them on 80/160, so anything else is a bonus. Chiil -- there were some Qs that got logged on the wrong band, so they started from scratch, reloading to ClubLog. My 160 and 40 Q went away, now all six are there. 73, Jim K9YC _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers
Someone did a more extensive analysis of several DXpeditions maybe 2 or 3 years ago. Basically the same conclusion. Typically NA puts up the largest percentage of the funds but doesn't get that percentage in Q's. I forget which group it was posted in. 73, Larry W6NWS -Original Message- From: Garry Shapiro Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 8:43 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers It appears to be the case that NA finances the big trips and EU gets the Q's. That needs to be ironed out. Garry On 2/5/2015 11:32 AM, Jim Brown wrote: On Thu,2/5/2015 8:29 AM, Fortra wrote: jeez those numbers are worrying. So are the numbers for contributions to the cost of DX trips that have gotten increasingly expensive. The only way to get on the island is via a helicopter, and they have had to make many trips. Some of my friends go on these trips (three are on Navassa), and all of them complain that while EU hams are very demanding, they don't do much to contribute to the cost. Take a look at the News tab on this link, then the Our Sponsors tab, noting the breakdown by continent for contributions from Clubs and individual hams. http://www.navassadx.com/ All of that notwithstanding, some of the key players on this expedition were also part of FT5ZM, which did a spectacular job of filling logs everywhere, taking advantage of propagation and great station engineering. AA7JV and HA7RY are part of this trip. Their topband record is excellent. And they're not the only guys who know how to work topband. 73, Jim K9YC _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log
Yeah, me too. I worked them on 80 meters the other night and it's showing no contacts with me. Been busting my hump on several bands to get through. Thought that 80 meter QSOS was a good one. Dang it. Jim Bennett / W6JHB Folsom, CA On Feb 5, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Doug Renwick ve...@sasktel.net wrote: Tonight the K1N on line log came back on. For me I lost a bunch of Qs that were there before, and some Qs I had made previously still didn't show. So I decided to work them again on 80 and 160 just to make sure. I am not sure what the problem is but a lot of folks are unhappy. In time it will be sorted out but in the meantime it does not cast a good light on an excellent operation. Doug There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual or lawyer could believe them. - George Orwell, 1984 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log
The way I look at it, I got them on 80/160, so anything else is a bonus. There is still lots of time, so it might be best to wait for a day or two before looking for insurance Q's while Clublog gets sorted out. For me, I would really, really hate to have an insurance Q end up costing someone else their one any only chance at putting K1N in the log. Tom - VE3CX On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 11:10 PM, Doug Renwick ve...@sasktel.net wrote: Tonight the K1N on line log came back on. For me I lost a bunch of Qs that were there before, and some Qs I had made previously still didn't show. So I decided to work them again on 80 and 160 just to make sure. I am not sure what the problem is but a lot of folks are unhappy. In time it will be sorted out but in the meantime it does not cast a good light on an excellent operation. Doug There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual or lawyer could believe them. - George Orwell, 1984 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Topband: K1N On Line Log
Tonight the K1N on line log came back on. For me I lost a bunch of Qs that were there before, and some Qs I had made previously still didn't show. So I decided to work them again on 80 and 160 just to make sure. I am not sure what the problem is but a lot of folks are unhappy. In time it will be sorted out but in the meantime it does not cast a good light on an excellent operation. Doug There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual or lawyer could believe them. - George Orwell, 1984 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers
Lou, is that what you have said, an argument ? Let us wait a week, and then we will judge... 73's Nermin S58DX - Original Message - From: KE1F Lou lmecs...@cfl.rr.com To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 12:51 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers To us EP6T was European QSO Party. GL and 73 Lou KE1F On 2/5/2015 1:51 AM, Jan Erik Holm wrote: Sorry if I´m a PITA right now but why even bother to have this debate about K1N on 160, it´s not even DX to NA, like a local station almost. Jeez how difficult can it be from the US, anybody with 100W and a wet noodle for an antenna can work it. On 80 I´m sure at least from the east coast they can be worked all day long. I don´t know about 160 since so far they haven´t been stronger then S2 due to geo mag storm and poor propagation 66 degs north where I´m at but so far I´m very disappointed in their 80m operation, they never listen for EU or any other area, they work 99,5% NA, it is the USA/Canadian QSO party. I would have expected a totally different action by that bunch of operators, I´m very very sad and sorry to see where it all has went to. Now this might not be the case on 160, if I´m lucky propagation might get better and I might get a shot at it. 73 Jim SM2EKM On 2015-02-04 01:15, Hardy Landskov wrote: I got up last night for my nightly bathroom ritual and just for grins listened to 160. They were calling CQ and I worked them on 2 calls. Not many trying to get them. This was 1035Z. N7RT - Original Message - From: Richard (Rick) Karlquist rich...@karlquist.com To: ws6x@gmail.com; topband@contesting.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 4:51 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers Why not call around 0700Z after the band closes to EU and before it opens to JA? A bunch of us in CA got them in the log last night fairly easily. Rick N6RK _ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Foreign stns using NA remotes for K1N
AND and this is the' ÄND not the end yet but very close. .RHR posted DXCC ARRL now allowing you to be anywhere and contact count for Award' I'm afraid we will lose our privileges, the only thing that protected us and make us unique to preserve the bands we have privilege is the nom -commercial nature of our service. Now that we allowed a commercial carrier to use our station we become a commercial service. Loosing this status we, our value and interest, will be judged as any other commercial interest. It is not about remote technology or use of or for DXCC, it is the change into a enterprise carrier service $/min or $/KW. ARRL is playing the full ! FCC soon we realize we have been lying about the nature of our service and rethink why OR NOT to give us air wave space. I think this is the END coming soon! Regards JC N4IS -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Larry Burke Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 9:48 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Foreign stns using NA remotes for K1N It's actually worse than that, Jim. One doesn't even need a K3/0. All you need is a computer and an internet connection. RHR's advertising is aimed at the simplicity of it all -- $99 and you are on the air!, We will literally have you on the air within minutes of signup!. Interestingly, the advertising even suggests that RHR isn't even real ham radio -- For those who want a more 'authentic' radio experience, you can connect with a K3/0/10/100-Mini!. - Larry K5RK -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 8:41 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Foreign stns using NA remotes for K1N Here's are a couple of quotes from the Remote Ham Radio Newsletter that showed up in my mailbox today. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = As we write this newsletter the K1N team is on the air with a BIG signal. We are happy to announce that many have already snagged them on 80M and 160M with ease using the RHR network. The experienced fifteen man team is planning a 14 day stay with around the clock operation, this will give operators plenty of time to get this ATNO before they depart. If you need NAVASSA, we have the tools to help you work them, RHR has a total of seventeen sites on the air with plenty of capacity to work this super rare DXpedition. EP6T Iran DXpedition worked on 9 bands from RHR sites including the top band. FT5ZM Amsterdam Island worked on 9 Bands from RHR sites including the top band. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = No need to build a station, just buy a K3/0 and rent one. Want a 160 or 80M QSO? No problem -- rent a superstation in one of the southern states to work Navassa, South America, and entities in the South Atlantic, in Maine for EU and EP6T. Rent one on the west coast to work Oceania and Asia. This comes as close to a box-top operation as I've seen yet. Absolutely disgusting. As I've posted here, I have NO problem with someone who is stuck with nasty RF noise and antenna restrictions building a remote station near his home QTH, or even using a single remote station close to his QTH, to chase awards and contest. But this is not what Remote Ham Radio is SELLING. Anyone who doesn't think this is cheating doesn't have a clue about the true spirit of ham radio. And I've been a ham long enough to remember what that was. 73, Jim K9YC _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Topband: The Future Of Ham Radio
Hi Guys, All of this talk about the use of remote receivers, DX spotting nets, etc. etc. etc. surely will have us all arrive to the point that our human individual efforts to develop a specialized killer Amateur radio station will be usurped and eclipsed by one, single thing: the computer. Just as streaming companies such as Net Flix have put an end to the neighbourhood video disc rental store, and paper hard copies are being stopped by The Yellow Pages due to on-line information availability, so, too, will DXCC become redundant by the use of remote receivers, contesting will degenerate into an electronic battle of computer systems, ad nauseam. In short, the human element will be effectively removed from the equation, and with it, any fun that we traditionally may have derived from such activities. That day surely is fast approaching when the intrepid radio op will be able to turn on his radios, set-up the computer, and then go peacefully to bed on the eve of a major contest...and to wake up, restfully in the morning, to wander down to the shack, coffee in hand, to learn that, in his physical absence, the station made well over 3000 QSOs in the contest, and exceeded minimum requirements for DXCC. In conclusion, I have seen the enemy of Amateur radio---and the enemy is us. ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Topband: DX recognition
Why doesn't some group of people start another DX award system that is more worthwhile? It might come to that one day, Larry. With LoTW being a major feeder into DXCC credits, it would take a lot of work for someone else to pick this up and run with it. But there is certainly a leadership void created by the ARRL that is waiting to be filled. RSGB? JARL? QRZ.com just announced an awards program that does not allow remotes, but it is lacking in other areas. Personally, I'd rather work within the existing system first -- however naive that might be. Larry K5RK _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Foreign stns using NA remotes for K1N
It is not about remote technology or use of or for DXCC, it is the change into a enterprise carrier service $/min or $/KW. Now, extrapolate the RHR business model to hundreds of similar paid remote services, all competing for customers to access what has been free spectrum regulated by the FCC (at least here in the U.S.) In a sense, and to JC's point, it's the start of a commercial common-carrier network. These equal access for all networks are otherwise heavily regulated in the U.S. The camel's nose is now in the tent, and the body is sure to follow. Rather than embracing this commercial abuse of free spectrum, the League should be scrambling to draft a Petition for Rulemaking to prohibit this form of paid spectrum access - and that should include all for profit and not-for-profit entities. What other countries do is their prerogative. Paul, W9AC _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers
Hi Jim, As of the last log updates for K1N, NA was 89.8% (not 99.5%) and Europe was 7.8% of their 80 meter contacts. Also suspect the Eu numbers will continue to rise as less and less NA stations will need K1N. As a side note on 160 meters Europe is currently 8.0% of the K1N 160 meters contacts. I have also heard numerous times where they are calling only JA or EU. Don't give up (they are really are just getting started, and now that Club Log is up that will help reduce the number of repeat QSOs which will benefit everyone). 73, Don (wd8dsb) On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 1:51 AM, Jan Erik Holm sm2...@bdtv.se wrote: Sorry if I´m a PITA right now but why even bother to have this debate about K1N on 160, it´s not even DX to NA, like a local station almost. Jeez how difficult can it be from the US, anybody with 100W and a wet noodle for an antenna can work it. On 80 I´m sure at least from the east coast they can be worked all day long. I don´t know about 160 since so far they haven´t been stronger then S2 due to geo mag storm and poor propagation 66 degs north where I´m at but so far I´m very disappointed in their 80m operation, they never listen for EU or any other area, they work 99,5% NA, it is the USA/Canadian QSO party. I would have expected a totally different action by that bunch of operators, I´m very very sad and sorry to see where it all has went to. Now this might not be the case on 160, if I´m lucky propagation might get better and I might get a shot at it. 73 Jim SM2EKM On 2015-02-04 01:15, Hardy Landskov wrote: I got up last night for my nightly bathroom ritual and just for grins listened to 160. They were calling CQ and I worked them on 2 calls. Not many trying to get them. This was 1035Z. N7RT - Original Message - From: Richard (Rick) Karlquist rich...@karlquist.com To: ws6x@gmail.com; topband@contesting.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 4:51 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers Why not call around 0700Z after the band closes to EU and before it opens to JA? A bunch of us in CA got them in the log last night fairly easily. Rick N6RK _ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers
Jim, thanks for bringing it up. As said there are no free lunches, whether it is economy, politics, everyday life or hobby... 73's Nermin S58DX - Original Message - From: Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 8:32 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers On Thu,2/5/2015 8:29 AM, Fortra wrote: jeez those numbers are worrying. So are the numbers for contributions to the cost of DX trips that have gotten increasingly expensive. The only way to get on the island is via a helicopter, and they have had to make many trips. Some of my friends go on these trips (three are on Navassa), and all of them complain that while EU hams are very demanding, they don't do much to contribute to the cost. Take a look at the News tab on this link, then the Our Sponsors tab, noting the breakdown by continent for contributions from Clubs and individual hams. http://www.navassadx.com/ All of that notwithstanding, some of the key players on this expedition were also part of FT5ZM, which did a spectacular job of filling logs everywhere, taking advantage of propagation and great station engineering. AA7JV and HA7RY are part of this trip. Their topband record is excellent. And they're not the only guys who know how to work topband. 73, Jim K9YC _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Foreign stns using NA remotes for K1N
And let me counter with another quote: Edmund Burke said all that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Doug -Original Message- What difference does it make? Who cares if someone else, rich or not, cheats? We should encourage them to work K1N as quickly as possible and then go away. I leave you with a Shakespeare quote, It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, but signifying nothing. Tod, K0TO On Feb 4, 2015, at 12:00 PM, Joel Harrison w...@w5zn.org wrote: Dave - you are correct. That very statement was rather boldly made by a prominent 160 meter person right here. At the time I thought about throwing the flag on that one but decided, then, not to. I know the remote folks can track ISP addresses of those connected but do not know how they can verify a station outside the country where the remote is located is identifying correctly and lawfully. So, I'll make a bold statement hereThe remote folks don't care and will not control it as long as the are flowing in. Money talks and the rules can go to hell. Am I wrong?? Then prove me wrong and let's see some hammering down on this by the remote folks. 73 Joel W5ZN I mentioned last week that we would be seeing over seas stations using US based remotes stations to work K1N. It was mentioned here that this won't happen, and that the US remote station operators monitor this activity carefully and do not permit it. Well, it is happening. I have personally witnessed on IT9 station and one JA station using clearly NA based remote stations to work K1N on 160m. That's probably just the tip of the iceberg. It's rather obvious when they are on 160m and are 20 or 30 db stronger than the din of the DX stations calling. There will be more. Incidentally, they were not signing at /W#, /K#, etc. Realistically it's probably not preventable but saddening. In the meantime, I think the K1N ops are doing nothing short of a fabulous job. Excellent Q rates, good job managing the piles, deftly QSYing to dodge DQRM, all the while being quite cheerful and courteous. Bravo! 73. . . Dave, W0FLS --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Foreign stns using NA remotes for K1N
What difference does it make? Who cares if someone else, rich or not, cheats? We should encourage them to work K1N as quickly as possible and then go away. I leave you with a Shakespeare quote, It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, but signifying nothing. Tod, K0TO Sent from my iPad air On Feb 4, 2015, at 12:00 PM, Joel Harrison w...@w5zn.org wrote: Dave - you are correct. That very statement was rather boldly made by a prominent 160 meter person right here. At the time I thought about throwing the flag on that one but decided, then, not to. I know the remote folks can track ISP addresses of those connected but do not know how they can verify a station outside the country where the remote is located is identifying correctly and lawfully. So, I'll make a bold statement hereThe remote folks don't care and will not control it as long as the are flowing in. Money talks and the rules can go to hell. Am I wrong?? Then prove me wrong and let's see some hammering down on this by the remote folks. 73 Joel W5ZN I mentioned last week that we would be seeing over seas stations using US based remotes stations to work K1N. It was mentioned here that this won't happen, and that the US remote station operators monitor this activity carefully and do not permit it. Well, it is happening. I have personally witnessed on IT9 station and one JA station using clearly NA based remote stations to work K1N on 160m. That's probably just the tip of the iceberg. It's rather obvious when they are on 160m and are 20 or 30 db stronger than the din of the DX stations calling. There will be more. Incidentally, they were not signing at /W#, /K#, etc. Realistically it's probably not preventable but saddening. In the meantime, I think the K1N ops are doing nothing short of a fabulous job. Excellent Q rates, good job managing the piles, deftly QSYing to dodge DQRM, all the while being quite cheerful and courteous. Bravo! 73. . . Dave, W0FLS _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband www.w5zn.org _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: The Future Of Ham Radio
Hi Eddy, As usual, you've nailed it squarely! For many years I was an avid 2 meter DXer, really enjoying meteor scatter on ssb and moonbounce with cw. When digital methods came in to make those modes much easier, the challenge was gone I left. I honestly felt that a qsl request for such contacts should have been rejected with the comment Sorry OM, but you didn't work me, you worked my computer. I personally never heard you Notice also that you don't hear much about meteor scatter any more, and that many EME regulars have left the field. As BB King said: The Thrill is Gone. In order to leave all that, I took up TopBand DXing. It appears that history is now repeating itself. It seems that newcomers want the easy way out, and technology supplies it. Instant gratification, regardless how hollow, seems to be the new goal. Brian K8BHZ -Original Message- From: Eddy Swynar Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 7:59 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Topband: The Future Of Ham Radio Hi Guys, All of this talk about the use of remote receivers, DX spotting nets, etc. etc. etc. surely will have us all arrive to the point that our human individual efforts to develop a specialized killer Amateur radio station will be usurped and eclipsed by one, single thing: the computer. Just as streaming companies such as Net Flix have put an end to the neighbourhood video disc rental store, and paper hard copies are being stopped by The Yellow Pages due to on-line information availability, so, too, will DXCC become redundant by the use of remote receivers, contesting will degenerate into an electronic battle of computer systems, ad nauseam. In short, the human element will be effectively removed from the equation, and with it, any fun that we traditionally may have derived from such activities. That day surely is fast approaching when the intrepid radio op will be able to turn on his radios, set-up the computer, and then go peacefully to bed on the eve of a major contest...and to wake up, restfully in the morning, to wander down to the shack, coffee in hand, to learn that, in his physical absence, the station made well over 3000 QSOs in the contest, and exceeded minimum requirements for DXCC. In conclusion, I have seen the enemy of Amateur radio---and the enemy is us. ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers
Nermin, Lets wait for the final result from K1N. We do have EP6T data: 68,045 QSO 69.6% Europe 9.8% North America 17.6% Asia. I am willing to bet you a bottle of riesling, (Yellow Tail, my favored fermented grape) that K1N will do better with European stations than EP6T did with North American stations. Are you on? 73 Lou KE1F On 2/5/2015 7:42 AM, Fortra wrote: Lou, is that what you have said, an argument ? Let us wait a week, and then we will judge... 73's Nermin S58DX - Original Message - From: KE1F Lou lmecs...@cfl.rr.com To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 12:51 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers To us EP6T was European QSO Party. GL and 73 Lou KE1F On 2/5/2015 1:51 AM, Jan Erik Holm wrote: Sorry if I´m a PITA right now but why even bother to have this debate about K1N on 160, it´s not even DX to NA, like a local station almost. Jeez how difficult can it be from the US, anybody with 100W and a wet noodle for an antenna can work it. On 80 I´m sure at least from the east coast they can be worked all day long. I don´t know about 160 since so far they haven´t been stronger then S2 due to geo mag storm and poor propagation 66 degs north where I´m at but so far I´m very disappointed in their 80m operation, they never listen for EU or any other area, they work 99,5% NA, it is the USA/Canadian QSO party. I would have expected a totally different action by that bunch of operators, I´m very very sad and sorry to see where it all has went to. Now this might not be the case on 160, if I´m lucky propagation might get better and I might get a shot at it. 73 Jim SM2EKM On 2015-02-04 01:15, Hardy Landskov wrote: I got up last night for my nightly bathroom ritual and just for grins listened to 160. They were calling CQ and I worked them on 2 calls. Not many trying to get them. This was 1035Z. N7RT - Original Message - From: Richard (Rick) Karlquist rich...@karlquist.com To: ws6x@gmail.com; topband@contesting.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 4:51 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers Why not call around 0700Z after the band closes to EU and before it opens to JA? A bunch of us in CA got them in the log last night fairly easily. Rick N6RK _ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Remote Operation
It does not make you wonder we all know EXACTLY what is going on, and its illegal, and going to become commonplace. Disgusting 73 W5FI Gary On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 2:41 PM, steve.r...@culligan4water.com wrote: Anybody else hear the UA4 in the Navassa pileup last night? Hearing Europe from here is kind of a big deal. Hearing Eastern Europe or Russia is a bigger deal. Not hearing anything else from Europe except a UA4 that's S-9 ? Makes you wonder. 73 Steve K0SR _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: [PVRC] AC line safety capacitors
When I was fixing TV's in my high school days, RCA used a ceramic capacitor across the AC line just inside the chassis. Caused all kind of fires. They tried their best to replace them all. Jim - KR9U At only 29 cents each, its time for me to methodically remove all of my .01 uF 2 kV ceramic bypass capacitors from the line inputs to most of my home brew electronic devices and replace them with safety capacitors. _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: beverage pols
Don't worry. There is nothing detrimental at all even with the metal poles just a few mm from the antenna. As long as the wire is insulated from the pole, no change or effect can be observed. 73 Tom - Original Message - From: dl8yhrfrank--- via Topband topband@contesting.com To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 5:11 PM Subject: Topband: beverage pols Hi all i woud like to set my? Beverages from 1m high to 2.5m high..some told me it will improve them So now i need new pols to hold the wire I thought about 1m Aluminiumtube? in the ground and inside that pol a 2m peace of tropicwood..so distance from Alumminiumpol to the finaly Beveragewire shoud be arround 1 to 1.5m...annyone has experence if that is enoug distance?Though about only woodpols but in wet ground it will not survive vy long... Vy 73 Frank DL8YHR.de _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4800 / Virus Database: 4257/9061 - Release Date: 02/05/15 _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Fw: Re: Out-of-Turn Callers
Luc, OK, lets wait and see. 73 Lou KE1F On 2/5/2015 5:48 PM, luc kerkhofs via Topband wrote: --- On Thu, 2/5/15, luc kerkhofs luckerkh...@yahoo.com wrote: From: luc kerkhofs luckerkh...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers To: KE1F Lou lmecs...@cfl.rr.com Date: Thursday, February 5, 2015, 5:24 PM Sorry Lou, but I disagree with that comparison , considering the path between EP6T and NA, you should compare the number of QSOs between K1N and JA 73 Luc ON4IA On Thu, 2/5/15, KE1F Lou lmecs...@cfl.rr.com wrote: Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers To: topband@contesting.com Date: Thursday, February 5, 2015, 1:51 PM To us EP6T was European QSO Party. GL and 73 Lou KE1F On 2/5/2015 1:51 AM, Jan Erik Holm wrote: Sorry if I´m a PITA right now but why even bother to have this debate about K1N on 160, it´s not even DX to NA, like a local station almost. Jeez how difficult can it be from the US, anybody with 100W and a wet noodle for an antenna can work it. On 80 I´m sure at least from the east coast they can be worked all day long. I don´t know about 160 since so far they haven´t been stronger then S2 due to geo mag storm and poor propagation 66 degs north where I´m at but so far I´m very disappointed in their 80m operation, they never listen for EU or any other area, they work 99,5% NA, it is the USA/Canadian QSO party. I would have expected a totally different action by that bunch of operators, I´m very very sad and sorry to see where it all has went to. Now this might not be the case on 160, if I´m lucky propagation might get better and I might get a shot at it. 73 Jim SM2EKM On 2015-02-04 01:15, Hardy Landskov wrote: I got up last night for my nightly bathroom ritual and just for grins listened to 160. They were calling CQ and I worked them on 2 calls. Not many trying to get them. This was 1035Z. N7RT - Original Message - From: Richard (Rick) Karlquist rich...@karlquist.com To: ws6x@gmail.com; topband@contesting.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 4:51 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers Why not call around 0700Z after the band closes to EU and before it opens to JA? A bunch of us in CA got them in the log last night fairly easily. Rick N6RK _ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: RHR and remote topic
With all due respect, such complaints are really kinda sad. Considering the long term implications, this topic is one of the more important ones discussed here in a long time -- and there continue to be new ideas aired this afternoon. Guess this topic has struck a raw nerve with some. - Larry K5RK -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Tree Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 2:07 PM To: 160 Subject: Topband: RHR and remote topic Guys - I think we have hashed out this subject enough for this round. I am starting to get a lot of complaints about the topic continuing. So - let's try to hold back on future posts unless it really moves the discussion back to the original intent of this list. Thanks and good luck to those trying to work K1N. Tree N6TR _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Topband: beverage pols
Hi all i woud like to set my? Beverages from 1m high to 2.5m high..some told me it will improve them So now i need new pols to hold the wire I thought about 1m Aluminiumtube? in the ground and inside that pol a 2m peace of tropicwood..so distance from Alumminiumpol to the finaly Beveragewire shoud be arround 1 to 1.5m...annyone has experence if that is enoug distance?Though about only woodpols but in wet ground it will not survive vy long... Vy 73 Frank DL8YHR.de _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Topband: Virtual VPN
It is quite easy to secure a virtual VPN to show your IP address from the USA. I am no computer genius but use a virtual VPN to use for instance Facebook in China, or a blocked website in Dubai just as an example. Vetting stations via IP address is not an fool proof way to identify a RHR user. 73 Scott K2CUB _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: RHR and remote topic
Want to know what the ARRL position is. Look at page 8 of February QST opposite K1ZZ's 'It seems to us'. Joe K2UF -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Larry Burke Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 5:09 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: RHR and remote topic With all due respect, such complaints are really kinda sad. Considering the long term implications, this topic is one of the more important ones discussed here in a long time -- and there continue to be new ideas aired this afternoon. Guess this topic has struck a raw nerve with some. - Larry K5RK -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Tree Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 2:07 PM To: 160 Subject: Topband: RHR and remote topic Guys - I think we have hashed out this subject enough for this round. I am starting to get a lot of complaints about the topic continuing. So - let's try to hold back on future posts unless it really moves the discussion back to the original intent of this list. Thanks and good luck to those trying to work K1N. Tree N6TR _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4281/9061 - Release Date: 02/05/15 _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: RHR and remote topic
Forgot about that ad.HAHan age ol' heuristic comes to mind.money talks, vapor(s) walks (heuristic toned down for the PC/squishy crowd) From: j...@k2uf.com To: w...@sbcglobal.net; topband@contesting.com Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 17:22:37 -0500 Subject: Re: Topband: RHR and remote topic Want to know what the ARRL position is. Look at page 8 of February QST opposite K1ZZ's 'It seems to us'. Joe K2UF -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Larry Burke Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 5:09 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: RHR and remote topic With all due respect, such complaints are really kinda sad. Considering the long term implications, this topic is one of the more important ones discussed here in a long time -- and there continue to be new ideas aired this afternoon. Guess this topic has struck a raw nerve with some. - Larry K5RK -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Tree Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 2:07 PM To: 160 Subject: Topband: RHR and remote topic Guys - I think we have hashed out this subject enough for this round. I am starting to get a lot of complaints about the topic continuing. So - let's try to hold back on future posts unless it really moves the discussion back to the original intent of this list. Thanks and good luck to those trying to work K1N. Tree N6TR _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4281/9061 - Release Date: 02/05/15 _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Topband: Fw: Re: Out-of-Turn Callers
--- On Thu, 2/5/15, luc kerkhofs luckerkh...@yahoo.com wrote: From: luc kerkhofs luckerkh...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers To: KE1F Lou lmecs...@cfl.rr.com Date: Thursday, February 5, 2015, 5:24 PM Sorry Lou, but I disagree with that comparison , considering the path between EP6T and NA, you should compare the number of QSOs between K1N and JA 73 Luc ON4IA On Thu, 2/5/15, KE1F Lou lmecs...@cfl.rr.com wrote: Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers To: topband@contesting.com Date: Thursday, February 5, 2015, 1:51 PM To us EP6T was European QSO Party. GL and 73 Lou KE1F On 2/5/2015 1:51 AM, Jan Erik Holm wrote: Sorry if I´m a PITA right now but why even bother to have this debate about K1N on 160, it´s not even DX to NA, like a local station almost. Jeez how difficult can it be from the US, anybody with 100W and a wet noodle for an antenna can work it. On 80 I´m sure at least from the east coast they can be worked all day long. I don´t know about 160 since so far they haven´t been stronger then S2 due to geo mag storm and poor propagation 66 degs north where I´m at but so far I´m very disappointed in their 80m operation, they never listen for EU or any other area, they work 99,5% NA, it is the USA/Canadian QSO party. I would have expected a totally different action by that bunch of operators, I´m very very sad and sorry to see where it all has went to. Now this might not be the case on 160, if I´m lucky propagation might get better and I might get a shot at it. 73 Jim SM2EKM On 2015-02-04 01:15, Hardy Landskov wrote: I got up last night for my nightly bathroom ritual and just for grins listened to 160. They were calling CQ and I worked them on 2 calls. Not many trying to get them. This was 1035Z. N7RT - Original Message - From: Richard (Rick) Karlquist rich...@karlquist.com To: ws6x@gmail.com; topband@contesting.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 4:51 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers Why not call around 0700Z after the band closes to EU and before it opens to JA? A bunch of us in CA got them in the log last night fairly easily. Rick N6RK _ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: RHR and remote topic
I agree, Larry..however, I doubt if anyone is refereeing or taking good notes as to separating wheat from chaffand, THEN, where does the accumulated, condensed and vetted idea(s) (hopefully not more than a couple) go In short - we all need a plan as to how to get the ideas winnowed down and on to someone who with influence, throw or weightdon't see no stinkin' plan(s) being tossed out for consumption and digestion... 72, Jim Rodenkirch K9JWV From: w...@sbcglobal.net To: topband@contesting.com Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 16:08:48 -0600 Subject: Re: Topband: RHR and remote topic With all due respect, such complaints are really kinda sad. Considering the long term implications, this topic is one of the more important ones discussed here in a long time -- and there continue to be new ideas aired this afternoon. Guess this topic has struck a raw nerve with some. - Larry K5RK -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Tree Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 2:07 PM To: 160 Subject: Topband: RHR and remote topic Guys - I think we have hashed out this subject enough for this round. I am starting to get a lot of complaints about the topic continuing. So - let's try to hold back on future posts unless it really moves the discussion back to the original intent of this list. Thanks and good luck to those trying to work K1N. Tree N6TR _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Antenna isolation measurements (3)
To complete this winters' measurement session, Elecraft's Gary Surrency quoted +33dBm (=2Watt) to be the max input power the K3 handles, prior to a (T)RX-failure. (TR-switch PIN diodes and/or post mixer IF AMP) A LCD warning is also issued: HI RFI for too high RF input. I.e. our 100W will deliver on 80m, +6dBm (=50-44) at the ext Rx input. A safe enough value on both 80m and topband, leaving some margin for further setup optimisation if there is an answer to the following question: Is there a minimum target Tx/ext RX-isolation value (in dB) guaranteeing minimal noise coupling from the Tx-antenna to the Beverage? Why? By bringing the Beverage feed somewhat closer to the (fixed) Tx antenna, the (unterminated) Beverage length could easily be extended, improving its directivity. This isolation is an easily manageable quantity here allowing for better Beverage position trade-offs on the farmers'field. Tnx es 73, Michel, ON7EH -Original Message- From: on7eh Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 10:37 PM To: topband@contesting.com Cc: on...@skynet.be Subject: Re: Topband: Antenna isolation measurements Setup 3 below was retained (Tx antenna and 120m long beverage feed location are still 120m apart ) but the 160m inv L Tx antenna was converted into a quarterwave 80m vertical over the same radial wire field. The isolation on 80m measured 44dB. (on a freezing day) 73, Michel, ON7EH From: Michel Spelier Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 10:29 PM To: topband@contesting.com Cc: on...@skynet.be Subject: Antenna isolation measurements Prior to the CQWW160, we did some (topband) antenna isolation measurements between: -a quarterwave inv L (top at 15m down to 11m) and -a new unterminated beverage (0.8m high) of different lengths (via a 9:1 trasnformer). The Bev used PVC-covered 0.6mm thick twisted pair telephone cable. The power source consisted of the K3 (with its integrated wattmeter) feeding the inv L tru a remote-fed CG 3000 ATU. The rx was a spectrum analyser connected to the Bev. The very broad main lobe of the inv L was pointing to the Bev in all setups. Setup1: Bev length=120m inter-ant distance=35m (distance between inv L feed and Bev transformer) Isolation: 33dB. Conclusion after A/B-switching on the K3 Rx: no improved Rx noticeable and ext Rx input at risk. (too high input level) Setup2: New location Bev length=75m inter-ant distance= 120m Isolation: 50dB. Conclusion after A/B-switching on the K3 Rx: still no improved Rx noticeable but low enough input level not to use a frontend saver. Setup3: Same location as above but with much better Bev grounding than above. (added 2nd grounding bar and longer, more ground radials) Bev length increased to 120m inter-ant distance again 120m. Isolation: 43dB. The S/N of the Bev is much better than the Tx/Rx inv L for the expected heading, even signals out of the general bearing have better S/N, others are not audible or much weaker. (expected behaviour) We hope these measurements provide sufficient detail to be of help for others. Setup3 was successfully used last weekend during the CQWW160CW. It was the first time, a dedicated Rx antenna was put to use. The isolation measurement on Setup3 was done 2 days after the contest without apparent impact to the K3 ext Rx. (we expected also 50dB) 73, Michel, ON7EH _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Remote Operation
Sorry to drag out this matter but maybe someone will share by take on it. This whole concept is treading on thin ice as far as the hobby is concerned. Operators with only a computer can conceivably build up their DXCC totals without even having an actual station and work DX siting in their office or sitting in Starbucks. In a few short days we have seen how this process has impacted who works K1N and who doesn't. Plus the cash for contact is idea is insidious and potentially destructive to our hobby. The cash for access also puts part 97 as we know it in a whole different paradigm no matter how someone parses the rules. Amateurs in the U.S. are allowed station licenses and call signs to make incidental communications with other station where the use of normal communication methods due the unimportance of the communications is not justified. Now someone paying 40 cents a minute to avoid the normal sportsmanship process of using their skill and ability, no matter on how severe their station limitation are, would seem to make this a commercial communication service and clearly outside of the basis purpose and scope of amateur radio. To avoid appearing hypocritical please let me explain that at my QTH I have an active SO2R remote station but it is dedicated to one operator in Brooklyn and one call sign NP2P which is active in contests. The construction of this operation has been a labor of love and the station is not for rent, not for hire and definitely not for profit. Everything is selected by the operator in NYC. The rotor positioning, the selection of Beverages, with on screen Alpha 87A control and monitoring. I must admit that I even avoid gassing up the generator during the contest when there is a power outage as this could be seen by some to put the operation in the assisted category. I have thus even ordered an automatic transfer panel. I would think that this methodology is the way remote operation should expand no matter where the operator is seated while he operates. the station is in the VI and the call sign is here as well. When you work NP2P your contact is uploaded to LOTW in a few days and the DXCC Desk has never refused to grant the requisite credit for these contacts. Yes there could;d be abuse but so far this method has not resulted in any nonsense. A private remote station as I have described give no advantage to the operator during contests as there are still some drawbacks with latency that can mess up a good contest run with my simple 1.5 MB DSL At this moment I am hearing K1N on 28.375 on back scatter from SA. I am just to close to Navassa for normal skip propagation. Sure I could subscribe to one of the Remote for hire stations and get all 7 bands. But that would not be the same thing as waiting till the pile up thins out and getting my very weak signal into their log. Maybe late at night when the band closes I might have some extended ground wave but for the 800 mile hop this my chances of doing this are somewhere between slim and none. If we just remember that amateur radio is just a personal quest and nothing else. In reality nobody but myself cares if I make it or not. Even my wife could care less if I work N1N on 28 Mhz. Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ On 2/5/2015 5:53 PM, Gary Jones wrote: It does not make you wonder we all know EXACTLY what is going on, and its illegal, and going to become commonplace. Disgusting 73 W5FI Gary On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 2:41 PM, steve.r...@culligan4water.com wrote: Anybody else hear the UA4 in the Navassa pileup last night? Hearing Europe from here is kind of a big deal. Hearing Eastern Europe or Russia is a bigger deal. Not hearing anything else from Europe except a UA4 that's S-9 ? Makes you wonder. 73 Steve K0SR _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: [PVRC] AC line safety capacitors
Jim, As the result of such incidents, UL developed across line capacitor program to test capacitors for such applications. That program is under UL's component recognition system. Across the line capacitors are tested and recognized for such application and for no other applications. such as RF. 73 Lou KE1F. On 2/5/2015 4:52 PM, James Wolf wrote: When I was fixing TV's in my high school days, RCA used a ceramic capacitor across the AC line just inside the chassis. Caused all kind of fires. They tried their best to replace them all. Jim - KR9U At only 29 cents each, its time for me to methodically remove all of my .01 uF 2 kV ceramic bypass capacitors from the line inputs to most of my home brew electronic devices and replace them with safety capacitors. _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: [Amps] OT for KM1H
Carl please call or email me ASAP! 73, Bill W4ZV On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 6:11 PM, Carl k...@jeremy.qozzy.com wrote: Give me your phone # Bill, I should be home by Saturday and will call. Carl -- From: Bill Tippett btipp...@alum.mit.edu Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 3:48 PM To: a...@contesting.com Subject: [Amps] OT for KM1H Carl please contact me via phone or email. I cannot seem to reach you via either so maybe my email is somehow being blocked. Thanks! Bill W4ZV P.S. Apologies to all but I know Carl is apparently receiving list posts. ___ Amps mailing list a...@contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4260/8970 - Release Date: 01/21/15 _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: [Amps] OT for KM1H
Carl please call or email me ASAP! 73, Bill W4ZV On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 6:26 PM, Bill Tippett btipp...@alum.mit.edu wrote: Carl please call or email me ASAP! 73, Bill W4ZV On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 6:11 PM, Carl k...@jeremy.qozzy.com wrote: Give me your phone # Bill, I should be home by Saturday and will call. Carl -- From: Bill Tippett btipp...@alum.mit.edu Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 3:48 PM To: a...@contesting.com Subject: [Amps] OT for KM1H Carl please contact me via phone or email. I cannot seem to reach you via either so maybe my email is somehow being blocked. Thanks! Bill W4ZV P.S. Apologies to all but I know Carl is apparently receiving list posts. ___ Amps mailing list a...@contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4260/8970 - Release Date: 01/21/15 _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Topband: I need help matching a cage on a 180' AM tower
This past weekend the tower crew put up a 180 grounded tower at the local 970Khz AM site and I have been asked to match it with a tuning box which had been feeding for years an inverted L about a quarter wave long. The 180 foot tower has three top loading guy wires each about 50 feet long with opes to get the three wire cage closer to 50 ohms. The cage taps to the tower at about 50' and is adjustable. I was wondering if someone with EZNEC could model this for me so I can get a head start of getting it to take power. The ammeter is useless because even at greatly reduced power of 100 watts the Nautel trips with a VSWR overload. The station does not have access to a good impedance bridge so out of frustration I ordered from DX-Engineering by overnight a MFJ antenna analyzer that covers down to 530 KHz. The problem is that I will most likely see an impedance and inductive reactance on the bridge for which I need to make the ATU accept. The ATU is a bridge Tee design but unfortunately it is set up with a coil on the input and one on the output with the center of these two coils going to ground via a tapped inductor and and then a 22 amp 2000pf capacitor going to actual ground. I believe the original set up would and did handle both the L s low impedance as well as take care of the capacitive reactance.But I do not have a vacuum variable to deal with the expected inductance of the cage. I am used to feeding cage fed towers with a C input, a tapped coil to ground, and a C on the output to the cage. I have just the opposite. I do have some fixed large current and voltage micas G2's and G3's But two of them are 100pf a piece and one is 700 pf. I know of the trick of put a flat wound coil in series with a capacitor to make it appear variable and will try this based on the values the MFJ reveals. But to save time I am putting out this request for someone with the time to do a model with their EZNEC to save me time over the weekend when I should be chasing DX.☺ Please send me your suggestions directly to avoid any congestion against any of the current run of exciting issues. Thanks, Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: The Future Of Ham Radio
On 02/05/2015 09:45 AM, Wayne Kline wrote: I my self enjoy the HUNT the listening on the other VFO trying to guess what and how he is operating.. Some OP's are predictable some it's a crap shoot. but that the FUN IMHO My .02 and then some And folks will have that same challenge and fun with RHR or other remote station provider. Using a remote station, having the big hardware and right location in no way guarantees an easy QSO. I consider myself a pretty good operator using Wayne's techniques, and it still took over an hour to work K1N on 160 the first night. But the real clincher is that another nearby operator, using an antenna with ~8 dB of gain over my shunt fed tower, never did work them that first night. In all of this anti-RHR discussion, you are forgetting the role of the operator and skill. 73, Steve, N2IC _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: The Future Of Ham Radio
On 2015-02-05, at 10:16 AM, k8...@hughes.net wrote: It seems that newcomers want the easy way out, and technology supplies it. Instant gratification, regardless how hollow, seems to be the new goal. Brian K8BHZ Hi Brian, You know what...? I can see the day coming---probably sooner, rather than later---where contest organizers will either run a unique contest unto itself, or create a separate special category for existing ones---called Vintage Operating Entrant...or at least, words to that effect... Wannabe nostalgic participants in this class will have to sign a contest entry affidavit saying that they (A) never once benefited from the presence of a computer in the shack, (B) maintained a hand-written log only throughout the event (and to include said logs), and, (C) submit their printed check-log as an integral part of their entry. All just like in ...ye olden golden days of the late great Victor Clark (W4KFC) of the ARRL... Sound like a ridiculous proposition...? Hey, it's no more preposterous than the annual Straight Key Night' sponsored by the ARRL, or the AM QSO Party supported by the Antique Wireless Association. People are people, and all the modern-day challenges will surely quickly lose their lustre, and the yearning for a true spirited competition---mano-a-mano will return, even if only on a small scale... ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Topband: Fwd: The Future Of Ham Radio
Begin forwarded message: From: KENT kelan...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: Topband: The Future Of Ham Radio Date: February 5, 2015 12:14:39 PM EST To: Eddy Swynar deswy...@xplornet.ca Seems to me that this needs to be reviewed!! Just My .02 worth 73 de Kent N8ZRD Topband -- 160 Meter Information ONLY About Topband English (USA) Welcome to the topband mailing list! This list is intended for the exchange of information on 160-related topics ONLY. Our goal is to keep 160 information content high and noise low. Please do not post general topics like equipment wanted/for sale, work me in the contest, E-mail addresses needed, etc. Occasional problem 160 QSL requests are OK but use this reflector ONLY as a last resort after trying the usual sources. Feel free to post 160-related questions, but request responses directly and then summarize them in a followup post. DO NOT USE THIS REFLECTOR TO POST COMPLAINTS, PERSONAL CRITICISMS, ATTACKS, ETC. VIOLATORS OF THIS POLICY WILL BE REMOVED IMMEDIATELY WITHOUT NOTICE. Be considerate of other subscribers who have bandwidth limitations and edit posts for brevity (include ONLY relevant excerpts of previous posts). When responding to a specific individual, think carefully before copying to the other 1700 of us on the reflector. Minimize noise, minimize bandwidth, maximize 160 information, act like gentlemen and enjoy! On Feb 5, 2015, at 11:57 AM, Eddy Swynar deswy...@xplornet.ca wrote: On 2015-02-05, at 11:14 AM, Anthony Scandurra wrote: I suppose we should go back to spark gap transmitters and coherent detectors, too... :-) 73, Tony K4QE Hi Tony, Oh gosh no, of course not! But by the same token, isn't it funny how the populace has embraced walking to the corner store for a loaf of bread, instead of climbing up into the ol' reliable Dodge Ram...? And how we are all urged now to eat healthy, ingesting foods with a minimum of processing...? And how we are requested to ...turn off your cell phones! before the start of a movie at your local cinema...? One can surely go on on with even more such scenarios, but the point is---I think, anyway!---that TOO much of an otherwise good thing can, in truth, be bad for you...and all this techno-wizardry has probably already taken us all well past the proverbial point of no return as radio amateurs, and firmly imbedded our feet into the fast-setting cement of the appliance operator... ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers
Back in the days when it seemed that almost everyone were getting vanity call letters, one of the stations local to St. Louis obtained a K1** call. When the DX station went by the numbers he was calling with the 1s not the 9s or 0s. Price W0RI On Thursday, February 5, 2015 6:44 AM, Fortra for...@siol.net wrote: Lou, is that what you have said, an argument ? Let us wait a week, and then we will judge... 73's Nermin S58DX - Original Message - From: KE1F Lou lmecs...@cfl.rr.com To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 12:51 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers To us EP6T was European QSO Party. GL and 73 Lou KE1F On 2/5/2015 1:51 AM, Jan Erik Holm wrote: Sorry if I´m a PITA right now but why even bother to have this debate about K1N on 160, it´s not even DX to NA, like a local station almost. Jeez how difficult can it be from the US, anybody with 100W and a wet noodle for an antenna can work it. On 80 I´m sure at least from the east coast they can be worked all day long. I don´t know about 160 since so far they haven´t been stronger then S2 due to geo mag storm and poor propagation 66 degs north where I´m at but so far I´m very disappointed in their 80m operation, they never listen for EU or any other area, they work 99,5% NA, it is the USA/Canadian QSO party. I would have expected a totally different action by that bunch of operators, I´m very very sad and sorry to see where it all has went to. Now this might not be the case on 160, if I´m lucky propagation might get better and I might get a shot at it. 73 Jim SM2EKM On 2015-02-04 01:15, Hardy Landskov wrote: I got up last night for my nightly bathroom ritual and just for grins listened to 160. They were calling CQ and I worked them on 2 calls. Not many trying to get them. This was 1035Z. N7RT - Original Message - From: Richard (Rick) Karlquist rich...@karlquist.com To: ws6x@gmail.com; topband@contesting.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 4:51 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers Why not call around 0700Z after the band closes to EU and before it opens to JA? A bunch of us in CA got them in the log last night fairly easily. Rick N6RK _ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Foreign stns using NA remotes for K1N
'The KEY WORD is the COMMUNICATIONS².¹ Milt, We¹ve already addressed ³communications.² A definition needs to be added to Part 97.3. Absent a definition, there is no clear meaning of the term and is left to interpretation, and abuses of interpretation. IMHO, it is totally legal per written law, and does not require an exception, or a DR or other permission.² It is not totally legal per written law. If is was, we would see a codified definition. The definition is not decided by me, you or RHR¹s legal counsel. The interpretation is only decided by the Commission, or by court order. Paul, W9AC _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Foreign stns using NA remotes for K1N
Yes, Milt has it 100% correct ! Paul has chosen his legal (mis)interpretation of Part 97, the RHR guys and the ARRL have chosen their (correct) interpretation. If Paul doesn't agree with their interpretation, and thinks they should cease and desist, that is why we have the FCC, and failing that, the federal court system of the United States. 73, Steve, N2IC On 02/05/2015 09:59 AM, Milt -- N5IA wrote: Paul, IMHO you and others have failed to hit upon the KEY word, or term, in the Part 97 rules. The KEY WORD is the COMMUNICATIONS. The rule is written so that an amateur station cannot be legally used to transmit COMMUNICATION, that is, the actual information contained in the transmissions, for material compensation. To my knowledge, all COMMUNICATION via the remote controlled stations is HAM COMMUNICATION only. No BUSINESS COMMUNICATION is taking place; just AMATEUR RADIO COMMUNICATION. IMHO, it is totally legal per written law, and does not require an exception, or a DR or other permission. Hypothetically, HRO and AES could lease, loan, rent, time share or whatever radio systems, to include setting them up, maintaining, paying operation costs, etc., to any person who presented a valid amateur radio license. That would be no different from the business those two entities are currently involved in; that is selling radios and related equipment to any person who presents a valid amateur radio license. They just did not think of the 'remote for rent' first and act upon the concept. Likewise, many, many amateurs hire, pay, bribe with beer, whatever, other people to install and maintain their radios and antenna systems. Is this against the law as written? What about all those crane operators and professional tower climbers that make significant bucks from hams to set up and rig the ham towers and antennas? It doesn't matter if it is a one time situation, or on a contract, ongoing basis. If it were illegal, ??? VHF and UHF Repeaters are not significantly different than HF remote bases. Group owned, pay your dues required to use repeaters have been in use for nearly 50 years. Absolutely no difference. The only requirement, per FCC regulations, for the owner of a 'station for rent', whether it is locally controlled (the KP2 and KH6 rentals) or remotely controlled (the RHR Network or others) is, that including proper identification, the rules and regs are followed for the COMMUNICATION and communication method that emits from that station. It is what it is. Evolution of technology. Mis dos centavos. 73 de Milt, N5IA -Original Message- From: Paul Christensen Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 8:27 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Foreign stns using NA remotes for K1N Quoting myself: 'Rather than embracing this commercial abuse of free spectrum, the League should be scrambling to draft a Petition for Rulemaking to prohibit this form of paid spectrum access - and that should include all for profit and not-for-profit entities. What other countries do is their prerogative' Taking a detailed look at Part 97, specifically, 97.113(a)(2): (a) No amateur station shall transmit: (2) Communications for hire or for material compensation, direct or indirect, paid or promised, except as otherwise provided in these rules; I see no exemption as otherwise provided for RHR's toll-based, income model. Note that the rule is specific to the amateur station as defined under 97.3(a)(5). 97.113(a)(3) (a) No amateur station shall transmit: (3) Communications in which the station licensee or control operator has a pecuniary interest, including communications on behalf of an employer, with the following exceptions: I still don't see an exemption here for RHR's toll-based business. Here, the entities affected by this subpart are the amateur station, station licensee, and/or control operator. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4281/9061 - Release Date: 02/05/15 _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers
First of all, they haven't reported having their beverages installed. The original plan submitted for approval was denied because the wires could impact the birds in the island, final and approved plan was based on vertical only for low bands and fiberglass protected wires SteepIR. I am surprised they installed dipoles, they may get a last minute approval but wires were not allowed by USFWS. That’s why there are no beverages on K1N plan. http://www.navassadx.com/ Regards JC N4IS _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: The Future Of Ham Radio
Hi Kent, I respectfully disagree with you... ANY forum worthy of its salt---like the Topband Reflector, which I like, and very much, too---should WELCOME engaging, intelligent input from its members. By doing so, it retains its vitality relevance as an OPEN FORUM to the community which it serves. By turning its back on such activities, it runs the risk of choking on its own input of the ...same-old same-old drivel, from the ...same-old same-old select cadre of experts. While I do, indeed, agree that earlier comments here about deliberate interference to the current activities of the DX-pedition bordered exactly on the quoted ...posting of personal criticisms, attacks, etc., I think that we, as a group, only benefited a result of the discussion that ensued. Just MY $0.02 worth...! ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ On 2015-02-05, at 12:14 PM, KENT wrote: Seems to me that this needs to be reviewed!! Just My .02 worth 73 de Kent N8ZRD Topband -- 160 Meter Information ONLY About Topband English (USA) Welcome to the topband mailing list! This list is intended for the exchange of information on 160-related topics ONLY. Our goal is to keep 160 information content high and noise low. Please do not post general topics like equipment wanted/for sale, work me in the contest, E-mail addresses needed, etc. Occasional problem 160 QSL requests are OK but use this reflector ONLY as a last resort after trying the usual sources. Feel free to post 160-related questions, but request responses directly and then summarize them in a followup post. DO NOT USE THIS REFLECTOR TO POST COMPLAINTS, PERSONAL CRITICISMS, ATTACKS, ETC. VIOLATORS OF THIS POLICY WILL BE REMOVED IMMEDIATELY WITHOUT NOTICE. Be considerate of other subscribers who have bandwidth limitations and edit posts for brevity (include ONLY relevant excerpts of previous posts). When responding to a specific individual, think carefully before copying to the other 1700 of us on the reflector. Minimize noise, minimize bandwidth, maximize 160 information, act like gentlemen and enjoy! On Feb 5, 2015, at 11:57 AM, Eddy Swynar deswy...@xplornet.ca wrote: On 2015-02-05, at 11:14 AM, Anthony Scandurra wrote: I suppose we should go back to spark gap transmitters and coherent detectors, too... :-) 73, Tony K4QE Hi Tony, Oh gosh no, of course not! But by the same token, isn't it funny how the populace has embraced walking to the corner store for a loaf of bread, instead of climbing up into the ol' reliable Dodge Ram...? And how we are all urged now to eat healthy, ingesting foods with a minimum of processing...? And how we are requested to ...turn off your cell phones! before the start of a movie at your local cinema...? One can surely go on on with even more such scenarios, but the point is---I think, anyway!---that TOO much of an otherwise good thing can, in truth, be bad for you...and all this techno-wizardry has probably already taken us all well past the proverbial point of no return as radio amateurs, and firmly imbedded our feet into the fast-setting cement of the appliance operator... ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Foreign stns using NA remotes for K1N
If Paul doesn¹t agree with their interpretation, and thinks they should cease and desist, that is why we have the FCC, and failing that, the federal court system of the United States.² Steve, I¹m not going to argue the validity of anyone¹s (mis)interpretation unless it comes from the FCC or the court. I think I made that point this morning. What I believe makes sense is a change that includes either an added definition of ³communications,² in 97.3 where it¹s mentioned eleven times without a definition, or in the alternative, amending 97.113(a)(2) and (a)(3). I don't recall mentioning anything about a ³cease and desist² letter. Paul, W9AC _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Topband: AC line safety capacitors
At only 29 cents each, its time for me to methodically remove all of my .01 uF 2 kV ceramic bypass capacitors from the line inputs to most of my home brew electronic devices and replace them with safety capacitors. http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Vishay-BC-Components/VY2103M63Y5UG63V7/?qs=JVmJ2sTYqewaZu0bwovnqQ%3D%3D Thanks for bringing this to our attention. 73 Frank W3LPL - Original Message - From: Kenneth Grimm gr...@sbc.edu To: Charlie Cunningham charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com Cc: topband topband@contesting.com, j...@audiosystemsgroup.com Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2015 3:26:00 PM Subject: Re: Topband: AC line bypass capacitors On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 11:37 PM, Charlie Cunningham charlie- charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com On Wed,2/4/2015 9:52 AM, Roger Graves wrote: I would like to try bypassing the AC line. Jim is right about X1/Y2 caps. Anyone who has restored a lot of boatanchors will tell you that you are wasting your time using anything else for AC line bypassing. See this listing as an example: http://www.digikey.com/product-highlights/us/en/vishay-vy-series-ceramic-caps/644 73, -- Ken - K4XL BoatAnchor Manual Archive BAMA - http://bama.edebris.com Show me a politician who is poor, and I'll show you a poor politician. - Carlos Hank González _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: The Future Of Ham Radio
Exactly correct, Eddy. 35 years ago I formed my opinion about 2m repeaters, realizing that everyone's signal was the same strength regardless of whether they had an 11 element antenna or a rubber duckie. It was too socialistic for my taste and I had no interest. An EME station was on my bucket list until I found out the current standard was a small antenna, 100 watts and some software to copy the signals that could not be heard. Today, why would anyone talk to someone using a 2m repeater when they can call on a cell phone? The percentage of amateurs to overall population in the USA is now about triple what it was 35 years ago. Remember when you used to get excited to see a ham license plate and honk HI in code? Have you started to do it and pulled your finger off the horn button? The vast majority of the last half million new hams have never built an antenna, put up a tower, built even the smallest accessory, made a single contact using morse code or done any of the things that the old timers grew up enjoying. They are all potential customers for RHR. I applaud WW2DX and W2RE for their foresight and business plan. I'll enjoy the time I have left but worry about the later-year enjoyment of my 35 year old son who has the same interests as me. Tomorrow why would anyone have a big station to maintain instead of calling on the Internet through a remote site? The something that is missing is the sense of accomplishment one might achieve in doing some work to achieve a goal. For only $99.00 you can work EP6T on 160m from the East Coast using a 4 Square without any sweat. Now that's something in which to take pride :-( As I've said many times beforeEnjoy it while you can. 73...Stan, K5GO On Feb 5, 2015, at 6:59 AM, Eddy Swynar deswy...@xplornet.ca wrote: Hi Guys, All of this talk about the use of remote receivers, DX spotting nets, etc. etc. etc. surely will have us all arrive to the point that our human individual efforts to develop a specialized killer Amateur radio station will be usurped and eclipsed by one, single thing: the computer. Just as streaming companies such as Net Flix have put an end to the neighbourhood video disc rental store, and paper hard copies are being stopped by The Yellow Pages due to on-line information availability, so, too, will DXCC become redundant by the use of remote receivers, contesting will degenerate into an electronic battle of computer systems, ad nauseam. In short, the human element will be effectively removed from the equation, and with it, any fun that we traditionally may have derived from such activities. That day surely is fast approaching when the intrepid radio op will be able to turn on his radios, set-up the computer, and then go peacefully to bed on the eve of a major contest...and to wake up, restfully in the morning, to wander down to the shack, coffee in hand, to learn that, in his physical absence, the station made well over 3000 QSOs in the contest, and exceeded minimum requirements for DXCC. In conclusion, I have seen the enemy of Amateur radio---and the enemy is us. ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: The Future Of Ham Radio
Makes you wonder ! I see it all the time.. There WIN 7 light speed machine with 32 GB Ram and QUADSSD's in Raid takes 40 sec to flash screen Gosh I still remember to the frustration of a transceiver with limited Clarifier and the joys of Split RX and TX boxes. during the BIG Romeo splits. Now with LP Pans, SDR's, RBN and SKimmers ( for the CW and now RITTY ) and Multiple Monitors the shack takes on a Mission Control environment. And your frustration level off the scale when your wait timer go's off and the big tube is ready and !!! I my self enjoy the HUNT the listening on the other VFO trying to guess what and how he is operating.. Some OP's are predictable some it's a crap shoot. but that the FUN IMHO My .02 and then some There is a old YouTube skit that I visit time and again to keep this in prospective https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvCMT1wxWMg Wayne W3EA Future Of Ham Radio I suppose we should go back to spark gap transmitters and coherent detectors, too... :-) 73, Tony K4QE It seems that newcomers want the easy way out, and technology supplies it. Instant gratification, regardless how hollow, seems to be the new goal... _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Topband: Evil.. Really?
Edmund Burke was a great thinker and observer of mankind and politics. I suspect he would view all this gnashing of teeth over such a trivial matter as just what it is: a waste of time and energy. ISIS, who kills hundreds of people every day, is evil. Thousands of people dying all over the world of starvation and treatable diseases is evil. Are you really going to lump RHR in with that? Take a few minutes, go to the website and read the users agreement. If you cheat you are kicked off and no refund is forthcoming. These guys are trying to run an ethical business which respects the rules of DXCC. And they do. Use the service (disclaimer, I am a satisfied user but have no fiduciary interest in the company) or don't use the service. It is the same choice as use an amplifier or don't use an amplifier. Put up receiving antennas or don't put up receiving antennas. It is entirely up to you. I remember the same bellyaching about packet, list operations and the internet being used to facilitate contacts. It all came to nothing and the hobby moved on. That is just what will happen this time. But calling remote operation evil? Perhaps we all need to step back, reflect and regain perspective. Steve, NN4T _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Foreign stns using NA remotes for K1N
Paul, IMHO you and others have failed to hit upon the KEY word, or term, in the Part 97 rules. The KEY WORD is the COMMUNICATIONS. The rule is written so that an amateur station cannot be legally used to transmit COMMUNICATION, that is, the actual information contained in the transmissions, for material compensation. To my knowledge, all COMMUNICATION via the remote controlled stations is HAM COMMUNICATION only. No BUSINESS COMMUNICATION is taking place; just AMATEUR RADIO COMMUNICATION. IMHO, it is totally legal per written law, and does not require an exception, or a DR or other permission. Hypothetically, HRO and AES could lease, loan, rent, time share or whatever radio systems, to include setting them up, maintaining, paying operation costs, etc., to any person who presented a valid amateur radio license. That would be no different from the business those two entities are currently involved in; that is selling radios and related equipment to any person who presents a valid amateur radio license. They just did not think of the 'remote for rent' first and act upon the concept. Likewise, many, many amateurs hire, pay, bribe with beer, whatever, other people to install and maintain their radios and antenna systems. Is this against the law as written? What about all those crane operators and professional tower climbers that make significant bucks from hams to set up and rig the ham towers and antennas? It doesn't matter if it is a one time situation, or on a contract, ongoing basis. If it were illegal, ??? VHF and UHF Repeaters are not significantly different than HF remote bases. Group owned, pay your dues required to use repeaters have been in use for nearly 50 years. Absolutely no difference. The only requirement, per FCC regulations, for the owner of a 'station for rent', whether it is locally controlled (the KP2 and KH6 rentals) or remotely controlled (the RHR Network or others) is, that including proper identification, the rules and regs are followed for the COMMUNICATION and communication method that emits from that station. It is what it is. Evolution of technology. Mis dos centavos. 73 de Milt, N5IA -Original Message- From: Paul Christensen Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 8:27 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Foreign stns using NA remotes for K1N Quoting myself: 'Rather than embracing this commercial abuse of free spectrum, the League should be scrambling to draft a Petition for Rulemaking to prohibit this form of paid spectrum access - and that should include all for profit and not-for-profit entities. What other countries do is their prerogative' Taking a detailed look at Part 97, specifically, 97.113(a)(2): (a) No amateur station shall transmit: (2) Communications for hire or for material compensation, direct or indirect, paid or promised, except as otherwise provided in these rules; I see no exemption as otherwise provided for RHR's toll-based, income model. Note that the rule is specific to the amateur station as defined under 97.3(a)(5). 97.113(a)(3) (a) No amateur station shall transmit: (3) Communications in which the station licensee or control operator has a pecuniary interest, including communications on behalf of an employer, with the following exceptions: I still don't see an exemption here for RHR's toll-based business. Here, the entities affected by this subpart are the amateur station, station licensee, and/or control operator. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4281/9061 - Release Date: 02/05/15 _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers
First of all, they haven't reported having their beverages installed. Secondly, there has been a storm front slowly moving across the Carribean with lots of QRN. Hearing the many Europeans who I could easily copy with my beverages could be very difficult for them listening on their transmit antenna. The K1N team is a group for first class operators who, in my opinion, are not deliberately ignoring Europe or Asia. They are simply having trouble hearing those directions. Also, I would sadly point out that the QSO rate on 40 and higher frequencies would have been even higher but for the incredible amount of deliberate QRM and acted out childness by both NA and Eu Lids. I do hope and believe that the QSO percentages will begin to correct in the favor of Eu, Asia, AF and Oc as they are fully settled in and weather conditions improve. 73, Ken - K4XL (old enough to have worked KC4NI, N0TG/KP1, W0RJU/KP1, KP2A and 6Y5NR all on Navassa) On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Fortra for...@siol.net wrote: Hi Lou, jeez those numbers are worrying. Although, path from K1 or and 6Y5 is far more easier to EU/US then EP to US Got EP from 70' and Navassa as well :) Sometimes it pays off, to be that long arround :) Incidentally, this is one of the best location in Carrebian :) I think that 6Y5 team set several WW on MM on Cw and QRPP as well Was there in eighties as YU3CR/MM for 9 month... We will agree upon vine :) 73's Nermin S58DX - Original Message - From: KE1F Lou lmecs...@cfl.rr.com To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 4:14 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers Nermin, Lets wait for the final result from K1N. We do have EP6T data: 68,045 QSO 69.6% Europe 9.8% North America 17.6% Asia. I am willing to bet you a bottle of riesling, (Yellow Tail, my favored fermented grape) that K1N will do better with European stations than EP6T did with North American stations. Are you on? 73 Lou KE1F On 2/5/2015 7:42 AM, Fortra wrote: Lou, is that what you have said, an argument ? Let us wait a week, and then we will judge... 73's Nermin S58DX - Original Message - From: KE1F Lou lmecs...@cfl.rr.com To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 12:51 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers To us EP6T was European QSO Party. GL and 73 Lou KE1F On 2/5/2015 1:51 AM, Jan Erik Holm wrote: Sorry if I´m a PITA right now but why even bother to have this debate about K1N on 160, it´s not even DX to NA, like a local station almost. Jeez how difficult can it be from the US, anybody with 100W and a wet noodle for an antenna can work it. On 80 I´m sure at least from the east coast they can be worked all day long. I don´t know about 160 since so far they haven´t been stronger then S2 due to geo mag storm and poor propagation 66 degs north where I´m at but so far I´m very disappointed in their 80m operation, they never listen for EU or any other area, they work 99,5% NA, it is the USA/Canadian QSO party. I would have expected a totally different action by that bunch of operators, I´m very very sad and sorry to see where it all has went to. Now this might not be the case on 160, if I´m lucky propagation might get better and I might get a shot at it. 73 Jim SM2EKM On 2015-02-04 01:15, Hardy Landskov wrote: I got up last night for my nightly bathroom ritual and just for grins listened to 160. They were calling CQ and I worked them on 2 calls. Not many trying to get them. This was 1035Z. N7RT - Original Message - From: Richard (Rick) Karlquist rich...@karlquist.com To: ws6x@gmail.com; topband@contesting.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 4:51 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers Why not call around 0700Z after the band closes to EU and before it opens to JA? A bunch of us in CA got them in the log last night fairly easily. Rick N6RK _ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband -- Ken - K4XL BoatAnchor Manual Archive BAMA - http://bama.edebris.com Show me a politician who is poor, and I'll show you a poor politician. - Carlos Hank González _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: The Future Of Ham Radio
On 2015-02-05, at 11:14 AM, Anthony Scandurra wrote: I suppose we should go back to spark gap transmitters and coherent detectors, too... :-) 73, Tony K4QE Hi Tony, Oh gosh no, of course not! But by the same token, isn't it funny how the populace has embraced walking to the corner store for a loaf of bread, instead of climbing up into the ol' reliable Dodge Ram...? And how we are all urged now to eat healthy, ingesting foods with a minimum of processing...? And how we are requested to ...turn off your cell phones! before the start of a movie at your local cinema...? One can surely go on on with even more such scenarios, but the point is---I think, anyway!---that TOO much of an otherwise good thing can, in truth, be bad for you...and all this techno-wizardry has probably already taken us all well past the proverbial point of no return as radio amateurs, and firmly imbedded our feet into the fast-setting cement of the appliance operator... ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: beverage pols
On Thu,2/5/2015 2:52 PM, Tom W8JI wrote: There is nothing detrimental at all even with the metal poles just a few mm from the antenna. A very popular method out here in CA is to 1) cut a piece of 3/8-in rebar to a length of 4-5 ft, stick about 18-in of it in the ground 2) drill a 1/4-in hole in one end of a piece of 3/4-in PVC conduit (or PVC plumbing pipe) to a length that you want to hold the Beverage off the ground 3) place the pipe over the rebar 4) use a cable tie through the hole in the pipe to secure the Beverage wire Retire to the shack and have a beverage. 73, Jim K9YC _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers
It appears to be the case that NA finances the big trips and EU gets the Q's. That needs to be ironed out. Garry On 2/5/2015 11:32 AM, Jim Brown wrote: On Thu,2/5/2015 8:29 AM, Fortra wrote: jeez those numbers are worrying. So are the numbers for contributions to the cost of DX trips that have gotten increasingly expensive. The only way to get on the island is via a helicopter, and they have had to make many trips. Some of my friends go on these trips (three are on Navassa), and all of them complain that while EU hams are very demanding, they don't do much to contribute to the cost. Take a look at the News tab on this link, then the Our Sponsors tab, noting the breakdown by continent for contributions from Clubs and individual hams. http://www.navassadx.com/ All of that notwithstanding, some of the key players on this expedition were also part of FT5ZM, which did a spectacular job of filling logs everywhere, taking advantage of propagation and great station engineering. AA7JV and HA7RY are part of this trip. Their topband record is excellent. And they're not the only guys who know how to work topband. 73, Jim K9YC _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N last night
You may be right, Tree. My 160 QSO is in there, but I worked them night before last with my 80m GP with ONE radial! What a surprise! Just thought I'd hoot at 'em because they had such a good signal here in NC. It took my 12m and 15 m QSOs another day to show up! 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Tree Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 12:53 AM To: 160 Subject: Topband: K1N last night Appears none of the 160 meter QSOs from last night (Feb 4) were included in the recent log update. Hopefully - it was really them last night. Tree N6TR _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Topband: DX recognition
HAving been inactive for many years before getting back into ham radio last year, I will not bore the list with my opinions on remote operation and how that is handled. I would like, however, to ask a question. Why doesn't some group of people start another DX award system that is more worthwhile? That would be a chance to provide a system that corrects all the defects of the present DXCC system without starting any conflicts with the present award. 73 Larry KD8WSP _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers
To us EP6T was European QSO Party. GL and 73 Lou KE1F On 2/5/2015 1:51 AM, Jan Erik Holm wrote: Sorry if I´m a PITA right now but why even bother to have this debate about K1N on 160, it´s not even DX to NA, like a local station almost. Jeez how difficult can it be from the US, anybody with 100W and a wet noodle for an antenna can work it. On 80 I´m sure at least from the east coast they can be worked all day long. I don´t know about 160 since so far they haven´t been stronger then S2 due to geo mag storm and poor propagation 66 degs north where I´m at but so far I´m very disappointed in their 80m operation, they never listen for EU or any other area, they work 99,5% NA, it is the USA/Canadian QSO party. I would have expected a totally different action by that bunch of operators, I´m very very sad and sorry to see where it all has went to. Now this might not be the case on 160, if I´m lucky propagation might get better and I might get a shot at it. 73 Jim SM2EKM On 2015-02-04 01:15, Hardy Landskov wrote: I got up last night for my nightly bathroom ritual and just for grins listened to 160. They were calling CQ and I worked them on 2 calls. Not many trying to get them. This was 1035Z. N7RT - Original Message - From: Richard (Rick) Karlquist rich...@karlquist.com To: ws6x@gmail.com; topband@contesting.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 4:51 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers Why not call around 0700Z after the band closes to EU and before it opens to JA? A bunch of us in CA got them in the log last night fairly easily. Rick N6RK _ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers
The irony in all this is compare the bird protection on Navassa to wind farms stateside which are allowed to kill thousands of birds including your golden eagle. You just can't make this stupidity up. Doug I wasn't born in Saskatchewan, but I got here as soon as I could. -Original Message- First of all, they haven't reported having their beverages installed. The original plan submitted for approval was denied because the wires could impact the birds in the island, final and approved plan was based on vertical only for low bands and fiberglass protected wires SteepIR. I am surprised they installed dipoles, they may get a last minute approval but wires were not allowed by USFWS. That's why there are no beverages on K1N plan. http://www.navassadx.com/ Regards JC N4IS --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: The Future Of Ham Radio
On Feb 5, 2015, at 11:08 AM, Steve London n2ica...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/05/2015 09:45 AM, Wayne Kline wrote: I my self enjoy the HUNT the listening on the other VFO trying to guess what and how he is operating.. Some OP's are predictable some it's a crap shoot. but that the FUN IMHO My .02 and then some And folks will have that same challenge and fun with RHR or other remote station provider. Using a remote station, having the big hardware and right location in no way guarantees an easy QSO. ... and just in case anyone finds it far too difficult or can't afford the .99 per minute to work Navassa Island using W8JI's station via their cell phone remote link (give me a break), perhaps the software developers could write a program that would put the Dxpeditions in the Remote Assisted Mode at the top of each hour for a few minutes. For a little premium, shared by the expedition and RHR, the DXpeditions RX VFO could automatically switch among frequencies corresponding to the TX frequencies of the remoted stations calling. They would soon figure out to go up ten instead of up five to make sure it was a clear frequency. Just think of what we can come up with using today's technology with a dash of capitalism thrown in for seasoning! 73...Stan, K5GO _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Foreign stns using NA remotes for K1N
(Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer.) Keep in mind that radio communication already has a statutory definition; incorporating it into Part 97 might make Part 97 clearer...but I think it would take an act of Congress to actually change the definition for amateur radio purposes. From 47 U.S. Code § 153: +++ (40) Radio communication The term radio communication or communication by radio means the transmission by radio of writing, signs, signals, pictures, and sounds of all kinds, including all instrumentalities, facilities, apparatus, and services (among other things, the receipt, forwarding, and delivery of communications) incidental to such transmission. -- Michael Adams | N1EN | m...@n1en.org -Original Message de W9AC- Apart from that, one could otherwise make the legal argument in Part 97 that communication is not only the message but the act of information transfer. I specifically mention Part 97 because otherwise, the interpretation would have far-reaching implications in other wireless services. Back to my original post: It's definitely time for a PRM, and to add a clear definition of communication in 97.3. Today, that definition does not exist in Part 97. _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Foreign stns using NA remotes for K1N
http://www.remotehamradio.com/the-stations/ 73 Peter -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Paul Christensen Sent: Donnerstag, 5. Februar 2015 17:10 To: topband Subject: Re: Topband: Foreign stns using NA remotes for K1N I'm sure you realize this, because people just never complain without actually knowing how things really work, but RHR isn't the only site. There are a dozen others, and some are completely free and unsupervised. What RHR member stations in the U.S. provide 160m access? Paul, W9AC _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Foreign stns using NA remotes for K1N
Peter, Tnx. Call signs of the member stations that serve 160m? Paul -Original Message- From: Peter Voelpel dj...@t-online.de Date: Thursday, February 5, 2015 at 1:39 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Foreign stns using NA remotes for K1N http://www.remotehamradio.com/the-stations/ 73 Peter -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Paul Christensen Sent: Donnerstag, 5. Februar 2015 17:10 To: topband Subject: Re: Topband: Foreign stns using NA remotes for K1N I'm sure you realize this, because people just never complain without actually knowing how things really work, but RHR isn't the only site. There are a dozen others, and some are completely free and unsupervised. What RHR member stations in the U.S. provide 160m access? Paul, W9AC _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Topband: RHR and remote topic
Guys - I think we have hashed out this subject enough for this round. I am starting to get a lot of complaints about the topic continuing. So - let's try to hold back on future posts unless it really moves the discussion back to the original intent of this list. Thanks and good luck to those trying to work K1N. Tree N6TR _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Topband: Remote Operation
Anybody else hear the UA4 in the Navassa pileup last night? Hearing Europe from here is kind of a big deal. Hearing Eastern Europe or Russia is a bigger deal. Not hearing anything else from Europe except a UA4 that's S-9 ? Makes you wonder. 73 Steve K0SR _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: [PVRC] AC line safety capacitors
This class of capacitor also works great for making repairs to old tube rigs. Various RF bypass, plate blocking etc. in 807/6146B type rigs. Tim N3QE On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Rol roland.and...@comcast.net wrote: I see that these capacitors were developed to be in compliance with the WEEE and RoHS directives, which are all about disposal of hazardous material, so those replacing these capacitors will want to be sure that they dispose of the removed components as hazardous waste, or little will be accomplished in that regard. On Feb 5, 2015, at 11:29 AM, donov...@starpower.net wrote: At only 29 cents each, its time for me to methodically remove all of my .01 uF 2 kV ceramic bypass capacitors from the line inputs to most of my home brew electronic devices and replace them with safety capacitors. http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Vishay-BC-Components/VY2103M63Y5UG63V7/?qs=JVmJ2sTYqewaZu0bwovnqQ%3D%3D Thanks for bringing this to our attention. 73 Frank W3LPL - Original Message - From: Kenneth Grimm gr...@sbc.edu To: Charlie Cunningham charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com Cc: topband topband@contesting.com, j...@audiosystemsgroup.com Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2015 3:26:00 PM Subject: Re: Topband: AC line bypass capacitors On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 11:37 PM, Charlie Cunningham charlie- charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com On Wed,2/4/2015 9:52 AM, Roger Graves wrote: I would like to try bypassing the AC line. Jim is right about X1/Y2 caps. Anyone who has restored a lot of boatanchors will tell you that you are wasting your time using anything else for AC line bypassing. See this listing as an example: http://www.digikey.com/product-highlights/us/en/vishay-vy-series-ceramic-caps/644 73, -- Ken - K4XL BoatAnchor Manual Archive BAMA - http://bama.edebris.com Show me a politician who is poor, and I'll show you a poor politician. - Carlos Hank González _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband __ PVRC mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/pvrc Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:p...@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ PVRC mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/pvrc Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:p...@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
