Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
The joys of "Internet DXing"!! Everybody that comes on is swamped by "packet-rats"!! 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Grimm Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 10:37 AM To: GALE STEWARD Cc: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M And how about the clown last night, around 10pm his local time, when TI9/3Z9DX was working EU, who got on his frequency and said, "NA NA NA, I'm tired and need my sleep." I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. 73, Ken - K4XL On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 8:18 AM, GALE STEWARD via Topband < topband@contesting.com> wrote: > Exactly the point, Steve! A bunch of the guys around here worked them > on > 160 at 0800Z (that's 3AM here). My 160 QSO was around 1030Z. > I'm really dating myself but "back in the day" the only way to snag > some new ones on 80/160 was to be checking the bands in the middle of the > night. > No internet cluster, etc. It's actually a lot easier these days (my > opinion). > > When my daughter was an infant this was easier as I was usually up in > the middle of the night at least once! > 73, Stew K3ND > > From: Steve Flood > To: topband@contesting.com > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 6:25 AM > Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M > > Great points Chet. > > Under the "Be there" category, consider getting up in the middle of > the night to work them on the low bands. Even in the first days of > their operation, I got up at 2 a.m. and worked them easily on > 160-80-40 with 100 watts and no pileups. > > Steve KK7UV > > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > > > > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > -- Ken - K4XL BoatAnchor Manual Archive BAMA - http://bama.edebris.com "Show me a politician who is poor, and I'll show you a poor politician." - Carlos Hank González _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
And how about the clown last night, around 10pm his local time, when TI9/3Z9DX was working EU, who got on his frequency and said, "NA NA NA, I'm tired and need my sleep." I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. 73, Ken - K4XL On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 8:18 AM, GALE STEWARD via Topband < topband@contesting.com> wrote: > Exactly the point, Steve! A bunch of the guys around here worked them on > 160 at 0800Z (that's 3AM here). My 160 QSO was around 1030Z. > I'm really dating myself but "back in the day" the only way to snag some > new ones on 80/160 was to be checking the bands in the middle of the night. > No internet cluster, etc. It's actually a lot easier these days (my > opinion). > > When my daughter was an infant this was easier as I was usually up in the > middle of the night at least once! > 73, Stew K3ND > > From: Steve Flood > To: topband@contesting.com > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 6:25 AM > Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M > > Great points Chet. > > Under the "Be there" category, consider getting up in the middle of the > night to work them on the low bands. Even in the first days of their > operation, I got up at 2 a.m. and worked them easily on 160-80-40 with 100 > watts and no pileups. > > Steve KK7UV > > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > > > > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > -- Ken - K4XL BoatAnchor Manual Archive BAMA - http://bama.edebris.com "Show me a politician who is poor, and I'll show you a poor politician." - Carlos Hank González _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
Exactly the point, Steve! A bunch of the guys around here worked them on 160 at 0800Z (that's 3AM here). My 160 QSO was around 1030Z. I'm really dating myself but "back in the day" the only way to snag some new ones on 80/160 was to be checking the bands in the middle of the night. No internet cluster, etc. It's actually a lot easier these days (my opinion). When my daughter was an infant this was easier as I was usually up in the middle of the night at least once! 73, Stew K3ND From: Steve Flood To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 6:25 AM Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M Great points Chet. Under the "Be there" category, consider getting up in the middle of the night to work them on the low bands. Even in the first days of their operation, I got up at 2 a.m. and worked them easily on 160-80-40 with 100 watts and no pileups. Steve KK7UV --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
Great points Chet. Under the "Be there" category, consider getting up in the middle of the night to work them on the low bands. Even in the first days of their operation, I got up at 2 a.m. and worked them easily on 160-80-40 with 100 watts and no pileups. Steve KK7UV --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
note to all stateside K1N detractors Here are some things that will hopefully be in the DX'ING FOR DUMMIES BOOK 1. K1N is over. I am not convinced that any group anywhere did it better. that applies to all bands more specifically 160 meters. 2. NEWS FLASH! There will be other dx peditions in the future. Only 2 days notice??? We Had several months notice of the proposed K1N operation. If you are not subscribed to the daily dx, the weekly dx, the NJDXA bulletin, the ARRL DX Bulletin,the KB8NW DX bulletin some of which are free, you should look into it. Engraved notices were not sent out and it is your own fault for not having enough notice. 3. Missing K1n which was basically in your back yard should be part of your "lessons learned" after action report. If your station could not make a K1N contact, it was either an operator malfunction or your station needs some work. 4. If you do not have an extra class license, upgrade it or stop complaining about it. No code licenses have been here for years. CW is no longer a barrier to upgading your license. There are 11 year old kids with extra class licenses. Take your radio clubs next license upgrade class. If I were you I would Sign up for that class TODAY. Think of it another way. If you can operate CW, that gives you 9 more band opportunities where you can work them. why limit yourself needlessly. Bonus, even more band opportunities are available if you radio does RTTY. 5. No antenna for 160 or 60 meters? Start building your antenna TODAY. 6. No match box to load your antenna up on other bands? Buy or build one TODAY. 7. If your xyl is nagging you about Saturdays spent listening to the dx bands? Send her out to a spa for the day you want to devote to dxing. You might be surprised to find her asking you if you have any other days you would like to devote to dx-ing. In some circles this is called a win-win situation. 8.If your radio does not do 20 kc splits, TODAY would be a good day to upgrade your radio, buy or build a VFO Or live dangerously and read the manual for the radio you have now. 9 Be there !! You can be right at your radio and still miss announcements of where the dx is listening. If you are out of the room listening on a speaker 15 feet away it is easy to miss the DX station announcing he has shifted from listening 5 kcs up to listening 5 kcs down. Listening from across the room almost assures that you will miss announcements of this type, especially in a heavy DQRM situation such as EU only, NA only, ATNO, QRX-5 fueling generator etc. 10. Requesting or suggesting the dx station should go to another band, general sub bands or other requests via DX-Watch or sending a thank you on the packet cluster? Please know that the individual operators on most dx-peditions are not watching the dx cluster nor do they have dx watch on their cell phone even if they had enough signal to do so. Further, most of the american dx ops do not know all of the sub bands by memory and for sure, the dx ops from other countries do not know and could not care less about the general sub bands. 11. Just because a web site mentions or does not mention a band, or sub band or a band they plan to concentrate on does not mean they will or will not cover it. Radios and antennas fail or may have to be shared between several bands. If you read the pre dx-pedition freq plan for K1N. Their initial plan was to work 10M SSB and not do any 10 CW. Even so, I noted a significant amount of Q's were made on 10 cw. Again, you have to BE THERE. You snooze? YOU LOSE !!! 12. Most importantly of all, If you did not CONTRIBUTE to a specific DX-pedition, I really think you should refrain from complaining about it. A list of donors can often be found on the dx-pedition web site by clicking on the donor button. 13. If you are a casual weekend dx'er with a casual station, you should not be surprised or disappointed when you get CASUAL RESULTS. After reading this if you are still looking for someone to blame when you miss the next dx-pedition, take A long look in the mirror. 73 Chet N4FX -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 12:44 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M Larry .. don't jump all over me what exatcly was "in my control" of k1n ? --- sure i could risk a fine by calling on 3775 I listened almost 10hrs straight (my wife not exactly happy - on saturday ), while cleaning my radio room up ( garage) and via remote in the living room... i didn't ever hear a notification that he was listening ... up at 3800+ ... plenty of notices of 70Khz up. and frankly do 100% of the hams have radios that are capable of splits that wide i see why heathkit twins were popular !!! *I'm asking what did i miss
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
I worked them on 160 in just a few calls with my 80m INV V and 500 watts on CW. Timing and luck are everything. It was super early just after our sunset. Yes I was shocked. For being the #1 needed country they were very easy to work for the USA. Mike W0MU On 2/18/2015 12:03 PM, Dave Blaschke, w5un wrote: On 2/18/2015 4:56 PM, Larry Burke wrote: Hi Larry, We now live in an entitlement minded society. All are suppose to have equal access to everything, regardless of personal preparation. Just because you have an extra class license, bigger antennas, and more operating savvy shouldn't give you any advantage over the guy who does not have these things! :-) Dave, W5UN With all due respect, Mike, these things are within your control and the DXpedition should not be held responsible for you not being able to work them. You'll find DXing way more fun when you upgrade (although K1N DID look for Generals on some bands). With regards to 60m, many operators there find a way to load their existing 80/160m antennas. At least one guy who worked them on that band uses what he calls a Bird Feeder -- which is in no way resonant on 60m. 73, Larry K5RK -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 10:12 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M im sure i could of too ... i heard them for hours on 80M (3705 +70Khz) some times even 20 over S9 but never ventured above 3800 cept once some one got them to go to 60M ... and of corse i didn't have an antenna resonant for 60M . _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
Interesting how things can jog a memory... My dad wanted me to be the youngest ham back in 1957 and he pushed me to learn all the required circuits which I might have been able to do all considering how quickly young kids absorb information. The spoiler for me was the code more than the formulae. I remember having difficulty as I'd learned to think dit & dah instead of hear the character. Thus ended my quest to get the license till 1979 & I quickly tired of the BS on CB, met up with a ham at my college, passed the Novice at the hands of my Elmer N1AMC (SK) at FARA, the local club in Fairfield, CT. Another year later & after three trips to the FCC in NYC & I had the extra. Funny, the CW was so much easier later in life but the formulas were much harder to remember. Interesting how things turn. 73, Gary KA1J > As I recall, I drove to Tucson (120 miles one way) and took the 20 WPM Extra Class test on a Saturday in 1991. A month later (spent studying for the written test) I went back to the same place to take the written test. Fortunately, I passed both. The 20 WPM test was, of course, more difficult than the 13 WPM General Class test that I took at the FCC office in Norfolk, VA; in 1955.but the written test for the Extra Class was, for me, easier that the written testfor the General Class test taken in 1955. > > > > > On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 1:24 PM, HAROLD SMITH JR wrote: > > > Extra Class > > I am sure that my wife could get her General and Extra class license by > studying for one weekend or less, if she wanted to. > > When I got my Extra in 1968. There were no privileges. The test was send and > receive code at 20WPM and the written test had many diagrams to draw. > Not quite the same today. > > 73 de Price W0RI > > > On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 12:56 PM, Larry wrote: > > > > On the 13th they were on 3725 and were switching between listening up 10-15 > and 3815+/- around 1100Z but you had to listen carefully to know which of > those they were doing. They would take some 10-15 up and then take some > around 3815 and then repeat the sequence. > > 73, Larry W6NWS > -Original Message----- > From: Mike > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 12:44 PM > To: topband@contesting.com > Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M > > Larry .. don't jump all over me what exatcly was "in my control" of > k1n ? --- sure i could risk a fine by calling on 3775 > > I listened almost 10hrs straight (my wife not exactly happy - on > saturday ), while cleaning my radio room up ( garage) and via remote in > the living room... i didn't ever hear a notification that he was > listening ... up at 3800+ ... plenty of notices of 70Khz up. and > frankly do 100% of the hams have radios that are capable of splits > that wide i see why heathkit twins were popular !!! > > > *I'm asking what did i miss* besides not having a extra call > its obious -- and ill state it any ways .. that i couldn't advance my > call to extra in 2days ... > > I probably got my self banned from dxwatch.com for making requests for > some one to ask k1n to go to general . > > were there 2ops on one band ? one working the Tx radio and another in > the general portion ?, it was not mentioned on their web page. > > I hope ANTO is going to be adhered to ... it sounded like a good idea to > me ... > > I guess i'll upgrade my call ... it is disappointing that location will > not be operating again for more than 10+years. > > I never thought of trying to get ahold of the chopper pilot to pass a > message that was a good idea. > > > PS ... i can't use a tuner i don't have -- ref to 60M (mfj-1798 antenna) > Im not a DX chaser .. i'm the normal "once in a while" weekend guy > that has a hobby that the XYL tolerates. > > > > On 02/18/2015 08:56 AM, Larry Burke wrote: > > With all due respect, Mike, these things are within your control and the > > DXpedition should not be held responsible for you not being able to work > > them. You'll find DXing way more fun when you upgrade (although K1N DID > > look > > for Generals on some bands). With regards to 60m, many operators there > > find > > a way to load their existing 80/160m antennas. At least one guy who worked > > them on that band uses what he calls a Bird Feeder -- which is in no way > > resonant on 60m. > > > > 73, Larry K5RK > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Mike > > Sent: Wednesday, Febr
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
As I recall, I drove to Tucson (120 miles one way) and took the 20 WPM Extra Class test on a Saturday in 1991. A month later (spent studying for the written test) I went back to the same place to take the written test. Fortunately, I passed both. The 20 WPM test was, of course, more difficult than the 13 WPM General Class test that I took at the FCC office in Norfolk, VA; in 1955.but the written test for the Extra Class was, for me, easier that the written testfor the General Class test taken in 1955. On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 1:24 PM, HAROLD SMITH JR wrote: Extra Class I am sure that my wife could get her General and Extra class license by studying for one weekend or less, if she wanted to. When I got my Extra in 1968. There were no privileges. The test was send and receive code at 20WPM and the written test had many diagrams to draw. Not quite the same today. 73 de Price W0RI On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 12:56 PM, Larry wrote: On the 13th they were on 3725 and were switching between listening up 10-15 and 3815+/- around 1100Z but you had to listen carefully to know which of those they were doing. They would take some 10-15 up and then take some around 3815 and then repeat the sequence. 73, Larry W6NWS -Original Message- From: Mike Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 12:44 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M Larry .. don't jump all over me what exatcly was "in my control" of k1n ? --- sure i could risk a fine by calling on 3775 I listened almost 10hrs straight (my wife not exactly happy - on saturday ), while cleaning my radio room up ( garage) and via remote in the living room... i didn't ever hear a notification that he was listening ... up at 3800+ ... plenty of notices of 70Khz up. and frankly do 100% of the hams have radios that are capable of splits that wide i see why heathkit twins were popular !!! *I'm asking what did i miss* besides not having a extra call its obious -- and ill state it any ways .. that i couldn't advance my call to extra in 2days ... I probably got my self banned from dxwatch.com for making requests for some one to ask k1n to go to general . were there 2ops on one band ? one working the Tx radio and another in the general portion ?, it was not mentioned on their web page. I hope ANTO is going to be adhered to ... it sounded like a good idea to me ... I guess i'll upgrade my call ... it is disappointing that location will not be operating again for more than 10+years. I never thought of trying to get ahold of the chopper pilot to pass a message that was a good idea. PS ... i can't use a tuner i don't have -- ref to 60M (mfj-1798 antenna) Im not a DX chaser .. i'm the normal "once in a while" weekend guy that has a hobby that the XYL tolerates. On 02/18/2015 08:56 AM, Larry Burke wrote: > With all due respect, Mike, these things are within your control and the > DXpedition should not be held responsible for you not being able to work > them. You'll find DXing way more fun when you upgrade (although K1N DID > look > for Generals on some bands). With regards to 60m, many operators there > find > a way to load their existing 80/160m antennas. At least one guy who worked > them on that band uses what he calls a Bird Feeder -- which is in no way > resonant on 60m. > > 73, Larry K5RK > > > -Original Message- > From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Mike > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 10:12 AM > To: topband@contesting.com > Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M > > im sure i could of too ... > > i heard them for hours on 80M (3705 +70Khz) some times even 20 over > S9 but never ventured above 3800 cept once some one got them to go to > 60M ... and of corse i didn't have an antenna resonant for 60M . > > > > -- Mike KC7NOA _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
On 2/18/2015 2:56 PM, Larry wrote: I guess i'll upgrade my call ... it is disappointing that location will not be operating again for more than 10+years. This is speculation and depends entirely on who is in charge at the Interior Department-FWL etc. It could happen a lot sooner and depends on how the request is crafted such as a combined scientific study with radio support as happened in 1969 with a ecological study from the University of Miami. A study of the rat population may sound silly to some but unusual things like this can take precedence at Interior in getting the application fast tracked. Additionally, as administrations change, as is certain in 2016, so could established policies. Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
Extra Class I am sure that my wife could get her General and Extra class license by studying for one weekend or less, if she wanted to. When I got my Extra in 1968. There were no privileges. The test was send and receive code at 20WPM and the written test had many diagrams to draw. Not quite the same today. 73 de Price W0RI On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 12:56 PM, Larry wrote: On the 13th they were on 3725 and were switching between listening up 10-15 and 3815+/- around 1100Z but you had to listen carefully to know which of those they were doing. They would take some 10-15 up and then take some around 3815 and then repeat the sequence. 73, Larry W6NWS -Original Message- From: Mike Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 12:44 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M Larry .. don't jump all over me what exatcly was "in my control" of k1n ? --- sure i could risk a fine by calling on 3775 I listened almost 10hrs straight (my wife not exactly happy - on saturday ), while cleaning my radio room up ( garage) and via remote in the living room... i didn't ever hear a notification that he was listening ... up at 3800+ ... plenty of notices of 70Khz up. and frankly do 100% of the hams have radios that are capable of splits that wide i see why heathkit twins were popular !!! *I'm asking what did i miss* besides not having a extra call its obious -- and ill state it any ways .. that i couldn't advance my call to extra in 2days ... I probably got my self banned from dxwatch.com for making requests for some one to ask k1n to go to general . were there 2ops on one band ? one working the Tx radio and another in the general portion ?, it was not mentioned on their web page. I hope ANTO is going to be adhered to ... it sounded like a good idea to me ... I guess i'll upgrade my call ... it is disappointing that location will not be operating again for more than 10+years. I never thought of trying to get ahold of the chopper pilot to pass a message that was a good idea. PS ... i can't use a tuner i don't have -- ref to 60M (mfj-1798 antenna) Im not a DX chaser .. i'm the normal "once in a while" weekend guy that has a hobby that the XYL tolerates. On 02/18/2015 08:56 AM, Larry Burke wrote: > With all due respect, Mike, these things are within your control and the > DXpedition should not be held responsible for you not being able to work > them. You'll find DXing way more fun when you upgrade (although K1N DID > look > for Generals on some bands). With regards to 60m, many operators there > find > a way to load their existing 80/160m antennas. At least one guy who worked > them on that band uses what he calls a Bird Feeder -- which is in no way > resonant on 60m. > > 73, Larry K5RK > > > -Original Message- > From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Mike > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 10:12 AM > To: topband@contesting.com > Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M > > im sure i could of too ... > > i heard them for hours on 80M (3705 +70Khz) some times even 20 over > S9 but never ventured above 3800 cept once some one got them to go to > 60M ... and of corse i didn't have an antenna resonant for 60M . > > > > -- Mike KC7NOA _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
On 2/18/2015 4:56 PM, Larry Burke wrote: Hi Larry, We now live in an entitlement minded society. All are suppose to have equal access to everything, regardless of personal preparation. Just because you have an extra class license, bigger antennas, and more operating savvy shouldn't give you any advantage over the guy who does not have these things! :-) Dave, W5UN With all due respect, Mike, these things are within your control and the DXpedition should not be held responsible for you not being able to work them. You'll find DXing way more fun when you upgrade (although K1N DID look for Generals on some bands). With regards to 60m, many operators there find a way to load their existing 80/160m antennas. At least one guy who worked them on that band uses what he calls a Bird Feeder -- which is in no way resonant on 60m. 73, Larry K5RK -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 10:12 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M im sure i could of too ... i heard them for hours on 80M (3705 +70Khz) some times even 20 over S9 but never ventured above 3800 cept once some one got them to go to 60M ... and of corse i didn't have an antenna resonant for 60M . _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
On the 13th they were on 3725 and were switching between listening up 10-15 and 3815+/- around 1100Z but you had to listen carefully to know which of those they were doing. They would take some 10-15 up and then take some around 3815 and then repeat the sequence. 73, Larry W6NWS -Original Message- From: Mike Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 12:44 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M Larry .. don't jump all over me what exatcly was "in my control" of k1n ? --- sure i could risk a fine by calling on 3775 I listened almost 10hrs straight (my wife not exactly happy - on saturday ), while cleaning my radio room up ( garage) and via remote in the living room... i didn't ever hear a notification that he was listening ... up at 3800+ ... plenty of notices of 70Khz up. and frankly do 100% of the hams have radios that are capable of splits that wide i see why heathkit twins were popular !!! *I'm asking what did i miss* besides not having a extra call its obious -- and ill state it any ways .. that i couldn't advance my call to extra in 2days ... I probably got my self banned from dxwatch.com for making requests for some one to ask k1n to go to general . were there 2ops on one band ? one working the Tx radio and another in the general portion ?, it was not mentioned on their web page. I hope ANTO is going to be adhered to ... it sounded like a good idea to me ... I guess i'll upgrade my call ... it is disappointing that location will not be operating again for more than 10+years. I never thought of trying to get ahold of the chopper pilot to pass a message that was a good idea. PS ... i can't use a tuner i don't have -- ref to 60M (mfj-1798 antenna) Im not a DX chaser .. i'm the normal "once in a while" weekend guy that has a hobby that the XYL tolerates. On 02/18/2015 08:56 AM, Larry Burke wrote: With all due respect, Mike, these things are within your control and the DXpedition should not be held responsible for you not being able to work them. You'll find DXing way more fun when you upgrade (although K1N DID look for Generals on some bands). With regards to 60m, many operators there find a way to load their existing 80/160m antennas. At least one guy who worked them on that band uses what he calls a Bird Feeder -- which is in no way resonant on 60m. 73, Larry K5RK -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 10:12 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M im sure i could of too ... i heard them for hours on 80M (3705 +70Khz) some times even 20 over S9 but never ventured above 3800 cept once some one got them to go to 60M ... and of corse i didn't have an antenna resonant for 60M . -- Mike KC7NOA _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
Mike, no one is "jumping all over you". As has already been pointed out by someone else, one thing that is in your control is your license class. This expedition was announced several months ago, not "two days" before it started. If you choose not to upgrade you will come away from future expeditions feeling the same way. There's a reason they call it "incentive licensing". As for 60m, the choice to have -- or not have -- an antenna or tuner is, again, within your control. They were on 60m three evenings in a row. I know several people who put up a 60m antenna just for this. Not a lot of wire involved if you really wanted to work them. - Larry K5RK -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 11:44 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M Larry .. don't jump all over me what exatcly was "in my control" of k1n ? --- sure i could risk a fine by calling on 3775 I listened almost 10hrs straight (my wife not exactly happy - on saturday ), while cleaning my radio room up ( garage) and via remote in the living room... i didn't ever hear a notification that he was listening ... up at 3800+ ... plenty of notices of 70Khz up. and frankly do 100% of the hams have radios that are capable of splits that wide i see why heathkit twins were popular !!! *I'm asking what did i miss* besides not having a extra call its obious -- and ill state it any ways .. that i couldn't advance my call to extra in 2days ... I probably got my self banned from dxwatch.com for making requests for some one to ask k1n to go to general . were there 2ops on one band ? one working the Tx radio and another in the general portion ?, it was not mentioned on their web page. I hope ANTO is going to be adhered to ... it sounded like a good idea to me ... I guess i'll upgrade my call ... it is disappointing that location will not be operating again for more than 10+years. I never thought of trying to get ahold of the chopper pilot to pass a message that was a good idea. PS ... i can't use a tuner i don't have -- ref to 60M (mfj-1798 antenna) Im not a DX chaser .. i'm the normal "once in a while" weekend guy that has a hobby that the XYL tolerates. On 02/18/2015 08:56 AM, Larry Burke wrote: > With all due respect, Mike, these things are within your control and the > DXpedition should not be held responsible for you not being able to work > them. You'll find DXing way more fun when you upgrade (although K1N DID look > for Generals on some bands). With regards to 60m, many operators there find > a way to load their existing 80/160m antennas. At least one guy who worked > them on that band uses what he calls a Bird Feeder -- which is in no way > resonant on 60m. > > 73, Larry K5RK > > > -Original Message- > From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Mike > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 10:12 AM > To: topband@contesting.com > Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M > > im sure i could of too ... > > i heard them for hours on 80M (3705 +70Khz) some times even 20 over > S9 but never ventured above 3800 cept once some one got them to go to > 60M ... and of corse i didn't have an antenna resonant for 60M . > > > > -- Mike KC7NOA _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
On Wed,2/18/2015 9:44 AM, Mike wrote: what exatcly was "in my control" of k1n ? --- sure i could risk a fine by calling on 3775 You could upgrade to Extra. 73, Jim K9YC _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
Larry .. don't jump all over me what exatcly was "in my control" of k1n ? --- sure i could risk a fine by calling on 3775 I listened almost 10hrs straight (my wife not exactly happy - on saturday ), while cleaning my radio room up ( garage) and via remote in the living room... i didn't ever hear a notification that he was listening ... up at 3800+ ... plenty of notices of 70Khz up. and frankly do 100% of the hams have radios that are capable of splits that wide i see why heathkit twins were popular !!! *I'm asking what did i miss* besides not having a extra call its obious -- and ill state it any ways .. that i couldn't advance my call to extra in 2days ... I probably got my self banned from dxwatch.com for making requests for some one to ask k1n to go to general . were there 2ops on one band ? one working the Tx radio and another in the general portion ?, it was not mentioned on their web page. I hope ANTO is going to be adhered to ... it sounded like a good idea to me ... I guess i'll upgrade my call ... it is disappointing that location will not be operating again for more than 10+years. I never thought of trying to get ahold of the chopper pilot to pass a message that was a good idea. PS ... i can't use a tuner i don't have -- ref to 60M (mfj-1798 antenna) Im not a DX chaser .. i'm the normal "once in a while" weekend guy that has a hobby that the XYL tolerates. On 02/18/2015 08:56 AM, Larry Burke wrote: With all due respect, Mike, these things are within your control and the DXpedition should not be held responsible for you not being able to work them. You'll find DXing way more fun when you upgrade (although K1N DID look for Generals on some bands). With regards to 60m, many operators there find a way to load their existing 80/160m antennas. At least one guy who worked them on that band uses what he calls a Bird Feeder -- which is in no way resonant on 60m. 73, Larry K5RK -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 10:12 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M im sure i could of too ... i heard them for hours on 80M (3705 +70Khz) some times even 20 over S9 but never ventured above 3800 cept once some one got them to go to 60M ... and of corse i didn't have an antenna resonant for 60M . -- Mike KC7NOA _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
With all due respect, Mike, these things are within your control and the DXpedition should not be held responsible for you not being able to work them. You'll find DXing way more fun when you upgrade (although K1N DID look for Generals on some bands). With regards to 60m, many operators there find a way to load their existing 80/160m antennas. At least one guy who worked them on that band uses what he calls a Bird Feeder -- which is in no way resonant on 60m. 73, Larry K5RK -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 10:12 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M im sure i could of too ... i heard them for hours on 80M (3705 +70Khz) some times even 20 over S9 but never ventured above 3800 cept once some one got them to go to 60M ... and of corse i didn't have an antenna resonant for 60M . _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
im sure i could of too ... i heard them for hours on 80M (3705 +70Khz) some times even 20 over S9 but never ventured above 3800 cept once some one got them to go to 60M ... and of corse i didn't have an antenna resonant for 60M . On 02/18/2015 08:02 AM, James Rodenkirch wrote: Not all that often, initiallyon 80 they stayed down in the extra segment for several days so I e-mailed the NA pilot and requested he pass on them that there are a lot of general class hams needing to work them so they need to get up near that portion of the band and work "up." His reply -- "I'll pass that on, Jim, that's a reasonable request" --- very telling, 'eh? An aside note: I worked them with QRP power two morning after the pilot sent that reply. 72, Jim Rodenkirch K9JWV > Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 07:47:12 -0800 > From: patriot...@msn.com > To: topband@contesting.com > Subject: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M > > > I have a question .. not top band related ... almost > > but how often did k1n venture into the general portion of the band on > 75m, even on 40m > > I couldn't even make a contact on 20M 0UTC and next 2hrs was best > according to K6TU propagation > corse it would of helped if i had known about them sooner maybe ... > > i learned of the group thursday evening .. > > > On 02/17/2015 07:45 PM, jon jones wrote: > > George: > > > > Thanks for the note. All the K1N ops did an outstanding job ! > > > > That is an excellent tip re. getting on after European sunrise and before JA sunset for DXpeditions on the low bands. > > > > I got up a number of nights ~ 2 am - 4 am CST to try for K1N. I was successful on 40 and 80 meters with K1N during this time slot. > > > > - Jon > > > >> Jon, > >> > >> I was one of the 160 m operators. > >> > >> NA callers were thick during the evening hours when they were competing with > >> EU, making for some difficult pile-ups, but after midnight (and EU sunrise), > >> often there were very few NA callers. > >> > >> George > >> AA7JV > > > > > > _ > > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > > > > > > -- > Mike KC7NOA > > > > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband -- Mike KC7NOA _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
I have a question .. not top band related ... almost but how often did k1n venture into the general portion of the band on 75m, even on 40m I couldn't even make a contact on 20M 0UTC and next 2hrs was best according to K6TU propagation corse it would of helped if i had known about them sooner maybe ... i learned of the group thursday evening .. On 02/17/2015 07:45 PM, jon jones wrote: George: Thanks for the note. All the K1N ops did an outstanding job ! That is an excellent tip re. getting on after European sunrise and before JA sunset for DXpeditions on the low bands. I got up a number of nights ~ 2 am - 4 am CST to try for K1N. I was successful on 40 and 80 meters with K1N during this time slot. - Jon Jon, I was one of the 160 m operators. NA callers were thick during the evening hours when they were competing with EU, making for some difficult pile-ups, but after midnight (and EU sunrise), often there were very few NA callers. George AA7JV _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband -- Mike KC7NOA _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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Jon, If you haven't already, check this app out! It was just great figuring out time slots to try the various bands for the K1N expedition! It's a VERY useful tool for DXers - especially low-band DXers! Sure beats the old plastic "DX Edge" that we used in the old days. Very useful for looking at the gray-line (terminator ) as it changes daily throughout the year and watching in real time as the sun and daylight and darkness move over a Mercator projection of a map of the earth. Try it! You'll like it!! Enjoy! 73, Charlie, K4OTV http://www.world-timezone.com/daylight-map/ -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of jon jones Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 10:45 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M George: Thanks for the note. All the K1N ops did an outstanding job ! That is an excellent tip re. getting on after European sunrise and before JA sunset for DXpeditions on the low bands. I got up a number of nights ~ 2 am - 4 am CST to try for K1N. I was successful on 40 and 80 meters with K1N during this time slot. - Jon > Jon, > > I was one of the 160 m operators. > > NA callers were thick during the evening hours when they were > competing with EU, making for some difficult pile-ups, but after > midnight (and EU sunrise), often there were very few NA callers. > > George > AA7JV _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
Alaska is definitely a very special case Garry On 2/17/2015 7:52 PM, KL7RA wrote: I logged K1N from W6 early in the expedition at 0857Z on 3 February for my first QSO with K1N. The absence of Euros made it a relatively easy QSO. But not for all of North America. I also waited until Europe was shut off but before the path to Asia started but no luck. K1N could get well above the noise for many hours but Alaska is in a bad spot on the planet for these DXpeditions on topband. Payback is stuff in the Pacific. I didn't start hearing them at all until much later in the trip but had a few days where I could copy them from their sunset to sunrise but that's no surprise as we work CO2/KP4 every contest and they can be very loud on Top here once we get dark soaked. Their best signal by far was right at their sunset one evening then faded away and I never heard them again that night. Finally at their sunrise last Friday early morning when they went QRT they had a lot of USA and JA's calling. Not a few but a lot and for sure for me not a relatively easy QSO. Sorry I never made it but if this band was easy I wouldn't do it. 73 Rich KL7RA - Original Message - From: "Garry Shapiro" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 5:51 PM Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M George is spot-on with his comments. I logged K1N from W6 early in the expedition at 0857Z on 3 February for my first QSO with K1N. The absence of Euros made it a relatively easy QSO. Garry, NI6T On 2/17/2015 6:28 PM, GeorgeWallner wrote: Jon, I was one of the 160 m operators. NA callers were thick during the evening hours when they were competing with EU, making for some difficult pile-ups, but after midnight (and EU sunrise), often there were very few NA callers. George AA7JV On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:57:38 + jon jones wrote: I consider VP6DX to be one of the top all time 160 meter DX operations. Despite being thousands of miles from North America, they worked many small stations including me (at the time had just moved so a random wire thrown over the house and 100 watts). K1N had a great signal on 160, well over S-9 most nights - but seemed to be having difficulty hearing callers. Despite a full size inverted L, I was not QSO 5,400... - Jon N0JK IMHO the operations at 5A7A, K5D, K1N, R1MVW, HK0NA, TS7C,and TX5K did an extremely good job and were able to take advantage of the proximity to major population areas. They had to have a good station and great operators, and had to be on the ground long enough to take make the large amount of Qs. But, and again IMHO, the operations at VP6DX, T32C, and ZL8X are OUTSTANDING because they had to overcome the big one; DISTANCE, for nearly 100% of their Qs. Now to separate those three just a bit. ZL8X did 4,206 Qs with a crew of 14 operators and 18 days of operation. T32C did 4,985 Qs with a crew of 41 operators and 32 days of operation. VP6DX did 6,671 Qs with a crew of 13 operators and 17 days of operation. 73 de Milt, N5IA _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
> I logged K1N from W6 early in the expedition at 0857Z on 3 February for > my first QSO with K1N. The absence of Euros made it a relatively easy QSO. But not for all of North America. I also waited until Europe was shut off but before the path to Asia started but no luck. K1N could get well above the noise for many hours but Alaska is in a bad spot on the planet for these DXpeditions on topband. Payback is stuff in the Pacific. I didn't start hearing them at all until much later in the trip but had a few days where I could copy them from their sunset to sunrise but that's no surprise as we work CO2/KP4 every contest and they can be very loud on Top here once we get dark soaked. Their best signal by far was right at their sunset one evening then faded away and I never heard them again that night. Finally at their sunrise last Friday early morning when they went QRT they had a lot of USA and JA's calling. Not a few but a lot and for sure for me not a relatively easy QSO. Sorry I never made it but if this band was easy I wouldn't do it. 73 Rich KL7RA - Original Message - From: "Garry Shapiro" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 5:51 PM Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M > George is spot-on with his comments. > > I logged K1N from W6 early in the expedition at 0857Z on 3 February for > my first QSO with K1N. The absence of Euros made it a relatively easy QSO. > > Garry, NI6T > > On 2/17/2015 6:28 PM, GeorgeWallner wrote: > > Jon, > > > > I was one of the 160 m operators. > > > > NA callers were thick during the evening hours when they were > > competing with EU, making for some difficult pile-ups, but after > > midnight (and EU sunrise), often there were very few NA callers. > > > > George > > AA7JV > > > > > > On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:57:38 + > > jon jones wrote: > >> I consider VP6DX to be one of the top all time 160 meter DX > >> operations. Despite being thousands of miles from North America, they > >> worked many small stations including me (at the time had just moved > >> so a random wire thrown over the house and 100 watts). > >> > >> K1N had a great signal on 160, well over S-9 most nights - but seemed > >> to be having difficulty hearing callers. Despite a full size inverted > >> L, I was not QSO 5,400... > >> > >> - Jon N0JK > >> > >>> IMHO the operations at 5A7A, K5D, K1N, R1MVW, HK0NA, TS7C,and TX5K > >>> did an > >>> extremely > >>> good job and were able to take advantage of the proximity to major > >>> population areas. They > >>> had to have a good station and great operators, and had to be on the > >>> ground long enough > >>> to take make the large amount of Qs. > >>> > >>> But, and again IMHO, the operations at VP6DX, T32C, and ZL8X are > >>> OUTSTANDING because > >>> they had to overcome the big one; DISTANCE, for nearly 100% of > >>> their Qs. > >>> > >>> Now to separate those three just a bit. > >>> > >>> ZL8X did 4,206 Qs with a crew of 14 operators and 18 days of operation. > >>> > >>> T32C did 4,985 Qs with a crew of 41 operators and 32 days of operation. > >>> > >>> VP6DX did 6,671 Qs with a crew of 13 operators and 17 days of > >>> operation. > >>> 73 de Milt, N5IA > >> > >>_ > >> Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > > > > _ > > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > > > > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
George: Thanks for the note. All the K1N ops did an outstanding job ! That is an excellent tip re. getting on after European sunrise and before JA sunset for DXpeditions on the low bands. I got up a number of nights ~ 2 am - 4 am CST to try for K1N. I was successful on 40 and 80 meters with K1N during this time slot. - Jon > Jon, > > I was one of the 160 m operators. > > NA callers were thick during the evening hours when they were competing with > EU, making for some difficult pile-ups, but after midnight (and EU sunrise), > often there were very few NA callers. > > George > AA7JV _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
George is spot-on with his comments. I logged K1N from W6 early in the expedition at 0857Z on 3 February for my first QSO with K1N. The absence of Euros made it a relatively easy QSO. Garry, NI6T On 2/17/2015 6:28 PM, GeorgeWallner wrote: Jon, I was one of the 160 m operators. NA callers were thick during the evening hours when they were competing with EU, making for some difficult pile-ups, but after midnight (and EU sunrise), often there were very few NA callers. George AA7JV On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:57:38 + jon jones wrote: I consider VP6DX to be one of the top all time 160 meter DX operations. Despite being thousands of miles from North America, they worked many small stations including me (at the time had just moved so a random wire thrown over the house and 100 watts). K1N had a great signal on 160, well over S-9 most nights - but seemed to be having difficulty hearing callers. Despite a full size inverted L, I was not QSO 5,400... - Jon N0JK IMHO the operations at 5A7A, K5D, K1N, R1MVW, HK0NA, TS7C,and TX5K did an extremely good job and were able to take advantage of the proximity to major population areas. They had to have a good station and great operators, and had to be on the ground long enough to take make the large amount of Qs. But, and again IMHO, the operations at VP6DX, T32C, and ZL8X are OUTSTANDING because they had to overcome the big one; DISTANCE, for nearly 100% of their Qs. Now to separate those three just a bit. ZL8X did 4,206 Qs with a crew of 14 operators and 18 days of operation. T32C did 4,985 Qs with a crew of 41 operators and 32 days of operation. VP6DX did 6,671 Qs with a crew of 13 operators and 17 days of operation. 73 de Milt, N5IA _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
On Tue,2/17/2015 6:28 PM, GeorgeWallner wrote: Jon, I was one of the 160 m operators. NA callers were thick during the evening hours when they were competing with EU, making for some difficult pile-ups, but after midnight (and EU sunrise), often there were very few NA callers. That's exactly what I told my buddies out here who wanted to work you. Thanks for another great trip, George. When I saw you and Tomi on the list of participants, I knew that 160M would be done well. 73, Jim K9YC _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
True, George1 Those were excellent times for 160, 80 and 40m and worked well for me! There's a lot to be said for keeping an eye on the daylight map and "being where the competition isn''t! My 160 antenna has been down for a few years, but I had a very easy 160 QSO with K1N using the remnant of my 80m GP with only one radial! Great job! Thanks! 73. Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of GeorgeWallner Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 9:28 PM To: jon jones; topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M Jon, I was one of the 160 m operators. NA callers were thick during the evening hours when they were competing with EU, making for some difficult pile-ups, but after midnight (and EU sunrise), often there were very few NA callers. George AA7JV On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:57:38 + jon jones wrote: > I consider VP6DX to be one of the top all time 160 meter DX >operations. Despite being thousands of miles from North America, they >worked many small stations including me (at the time had just moved so >a random wire thrown over the house and 100 watts). > > K1N had a great signal on 160, well over S-9 most nights >- but seemed to be having difficulty hearing callers. >Despite a full size inverted L, I was not QSO 5,400... > > - Jon N0JK > >> IMHO the operations at 5A7A, K5D, K1N, R1MVW, HK0NA, TS7C,and TX5K >>did an extremely good job and were able to take advantage of the >>proximity to major population areas. They had to have a good >>station and great operators, and had to be on the ground long enough >>to take make the large amount of Qs. >> >> But, and again IMHO, the operations at VP6DX, T32C, and ZL8X are >>OUTSTANDING because they had to overcome the big one; DISTANCE, for >>nearly 100% of their Qs. >> >> Now to separate those three just a bit. >> >> ZL8X did 4,206 Qs with a crew of 14 operators and 18 days of >>operation. >> >> T32C did 4,985 Qs with a crew of 41 operators and 32 days of >>operation. >> >> VP6DX did 6,671 Qs with a crew of 13 operators and 17 days of >>operation. >> 73 de Milt, N5IA > > > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - >http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
Jon, I was one of the 160 m operators. NA callers were thick during the evening hours when they were competing with EU, making for some difficult pile-ups, but after midnight (and EU sunrise), often there were very few NA callers. George AA7JV On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:57:38 + jon jones wrote: I consider VP6DX to be one of the top all time 160 meter DX operations. Despite being thousands of miles from North America, they worked many small stations including me (at the time had just moved so a random wire thrown over the house and 100 watts). K1N had a great signal on 160, well over S-9 most nights - but seemed to be having difficulty hearing callers. Despite a full size inverted L, I was not QSO 5,400... - Jon N0JK IMHO the operations at 5A7A, K5D, K1N, R1MVW, HK0NA, TS7C,and TX5K did an extremely good job and were able to take advantage of the proximity to major population areas. They had to have a good station and great operators, and had to be on the ground long enough to take make the large amount of Qs. But, and again IMHO, the operations at VP6DX, T32C, and ZL8X are OUTSTANDING because they had to overcome the big one; DISTANCE, for nearly 100% of their Qs. Now to separate those three just a bit. ZL8X did 4,206 Qs with a crew of 14 operators and 18 days of operation. T32C did 4,985 Qs with a crew of 41 operators and 32 days of operation. VP6DX did 6,671 Qs with a crew of 13 operators and 17 days of operation. 73 de Milt, N5IA _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
I consider VP6DX to be one of the top all time 160 meter DX operations. Despite being thousands of miles from North America, they worked many small stations including me (at the time had just moved so a random wire thrown over the house and 100 watts). K1N had a great signal on 160, well over S-9 most nights - but seemed to be having difficulty hearing callers. Despite a full size inverted L, I was not QSO 5,400... - Jon N0JK > IMHO the operations at 5A7A, K5D, K1N, R1MVW, HK0NA, TS7C,and TX5K did an > extremely > good job and were able to take advantage of the proximity to major > population areas. They > had to have a good station and great operators, and had to be on the > ground long enough > to take make the large amount of Qs. > > But, and again IMHO, the operations at VP6DX, T32C, and ZL8X are > OUTSTANDING because > they had to overcome the big one; DISTANCE, for nearly 100% of their Qs. > > Now to separate those three just a bit. > > ZL8X did 4,206 Qs with a crew of 14 operators and 18 days of operation. > > T32C did 4,985 Qs with a crew of 41 operators and 32 days of operation. > > VP6DX did 6,671 Qs with a crew of 13 operators and 17 days of operation. > 73 de Milt, N5IA _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
Hi Ray I would say TX3A did balanced 160m activity and proved that it is possible to achieve using dedicated RX antenna for the location of the DX expedition, most DX expeditions does not pay attention or do not get well prepared for RX on low bands. It does not mean dedication bit the results speak for it self. See TX3A balance between HF and 160m, less the 10% of the QSO's on 160m, but 36K QSO is very good for only tow operators. >> TX3A was on the air from Chesterfield Reef from November 3 to Nov 30, 2009. This was another simple low-band DXpedition by George (AA7JV) and Tomi (HA7RY). During 28 days of operation we made a total of 36,148 QSO-s, of which 3,425 were on 160 meters >> Regards JC N4IS -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Ray Benny Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 1:53 PM To: Milt -- N5IA Cc: TopBand List Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M Milt, "In this aspect all DXpeditions are equal." Just one comment: Having a large person expedition can yield large differences in 160m Q's compared to a two person expedition. On a two man operation, the ops must decide what band to operate at night, 30, 40, 80 or 160m. They may want to make Q's on all these bands so must split their time accordingly. A large M/M effort usually have ops on each band so the ops can spend all their time on one band. I realize the HA guys expeditions (AA7JV) were generally dedicated to 160m, so this was not the case. But in other cases the number of ops does affect the number of Q's on 160m. Just my opinion. Other than that, very interesting information... Ray, N6VR On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 8:30 PM, Milt -- N5IA wrote: > Good evening all. > > The K1N final numbers are in. > > I also received some further statistics from Bernd, DF3CB, which > slightly change the order of the standings. > > I received come comments about propagation differences. The following > are, IMHO, the relevant factors. > > DX is DX no matter what band, but in particular on 160 Meters the > farther you are from the majority of the contacts, the more difficult > the possibility of large amounts of QSOs. > Proximity to major ham population areas is the top contributor to the > leading Q counts. > > It does not matter, IMHO, if the DXpedition is 2-man, 25-man, or > anywhere in between, there is typically only one station and one > operator at a time on Topband. They do not do both modes > simultaneously on Topband. In this aspsect all DXpeditions are equal. > > Timing with the sunspot cycle is the next limiting factor. The > reduction of the size and intensity of the polar ovals with low > sunspots greatly assists the long, opposite side of the planet paths. > > Those operations that take place at or near the equator are always > affected by QRN. > > IMHO the operations at 5A7A, K5D, K1N, R1MVW, HK0NA, TS7C,and TX5K did > an extremely good job and were able to take advantage of the proximity > to major population areas. They had to have a good station and great > operators, and had to be on the ground long enough to take make the > large amount of Qs. > > But, and again IMHO, the operations at VP6DX, T32C, and ZL8X are > OUTSTANDING because they had to overcome the big one; DISTANCE, for > nearly 100% of their Qs. > > Now to separate those three just a bit. > > ZL8X did 4,206 Qs with a crew of 14 operators and 18 days of operation. > > T32C did 4,985 Qs with a crew of 41 operators and 32 days of operation. > > VP6DX did 6,671 Qs with a crew of 13 operators and 17 days of operation. > > In all cases subtract at a minimum two days from the operation total > to apply to the 160 M operations. > > Enjoy, and look for the upcoming web site by Bernd, DF3CB, with all > the details and breakdowns of all the DXpeditions. > > 73 de Milt, N5IA > > > === > > #1 > > 5A7A, Libya, near Tripoli, with the entire European continent less > than > 4,000 KM distant. > > CW SSB RTTYPSK Total > 160 M 6344 928 283 987653 > > === > > #2 > > K5D, Desecheo, Caribbean, with the entire USA and most of Canada less > than > 5,600 KM distant. > > SSB CWRTTY Total >160 M 19835213 0 7196 > > === > > #3 > > VP6DX, Ducie Atoll, from the middle of the south Pacific in the > southern hemisphere summer. There was strong QRN and somewhat
Re: Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
Milt, "In this aspect all DXpeditions are equal." Just one comment: Having a large person expedition can yield large differences in 160m Q's compared to a two person expedition. On a two man operation, the ops must decide what band to operate at night, 30, 40, 80 or 160m. They may want to make Q's on all these bands so must split their time accordingly. A large M/M effort usually have ops on each band so the ops can spend all their time on one band. I realize the HA guys expeditions (AA7JV) were generally dedicated to 160m, so this was not the case. But in other cases the number of ops does affect the number of Q's on 160m. Just my opinion. Other than that, very interesting information... Ray, N6VR On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 8:30 PM, Milt -- N5IA wrote: > Good evening all. > > The K1N final numbers are in. > > I also received some further statistics from Bernd, DF3CB, which slightly > change the order of the standings. > > I received come comments about propagation differences. The following > are, IMHO, the relevant factors. > > DX is DX no matter what band, but in particular on 160 Meters the farther > you are from the majority of > the contacts, the more difficult the possibility of large amounts of QSOs. > Proximity to major ham population areas is the top contributor to the > leading Q counts. > > It does not matter, IMHO, if the DXpedition is 2-man, 25-man, or anywhere > in between, there is typically only one station and one operator at a time > on Topband. They do not do both modes simultaneously on Topband. In this > aspsect all DXpeditions are equal. > > Timing with the sunspot cycle is the next limiting factor. The reduction > of the size and intensity of the polar ovals with low sunspots greatly > assists the long, opposite side of the planet paths. > > Those operations that take place at or near the equator are always > affected by QRN. > > IMHO the operations at 5A7A, K5D, K1N, R1MVW, HK0NA, TS7C,and TX5K did an > extremely > good job and were able to take advantage of the proximity to major > population areas. They > had to have a good station and great operators, and had to be on the > ground long enough > to take make the large amount of Qs. > > But, and again IMHO, the operations at VP6DX, T32C, and ZL8X are > OUTSTANDING because > they had to overcome the big one; DISTANCE, for nearly 100% of their Qs. > > Now to separate those three just a bit. > > ZL8X did 4,206 Qs with a crew of 14 operators and 18 days of operation. > > T32C did 4,985 Qs with a crew of 41 operators and 32 days of operation. > > VP6DX did 6,671 Qs with a crew of 13 operators and 17 days of operation. > > In all cases subtract at a minimum two days from the operation total to > apply to the 160 M operations. > > Enjoy, and look for the upcoming web site by Bernd, DF3CB, with all the > details and > breakdowns of all the DXpeditions. > > 73 de Milt, N5IA > > > === > > #1 > > 5A7A, Libya, near Tripoli, with the entire European continent less than > 4,000 KM distant. > > CW SSB RTTYPSK Total > 160 M 6344 928 283 987653 > > === > > #2 > > K5D, Desecheo, Caribbean, with the entire USA and most of Canada less than > 5,600 KM distant. > > SSB CWRTTY Total >160 M 19835213 0 7196 > > === > > #3 > > VP6DX, Ducie Atoll, from the middle of the south Pacific in the southern > hemisphere summer. There was strong QRN and somewhat shorter > nights (operating periods on Topband). > > ZL = 5,400+ KM; VK = 8,000 to 11,700 KM; KH6 = 5,800+ KM; > JA = 11,900+ KM; west coast of South America = 5,000+ KM; > Rio de Janeiro = 8,100 KM; San Diego, USA = 6,400 KM; > NYC, USA = 8,900 KM; and in EU -- Madrid = 14,200 KM; > London = 14,400 KM; Berlin = 15,200 KM; Rome = 15,690 KM; > Moscow = 16,100 KM; Athens = 16,600 KM. > >CWSSBRTTY Total >160 M 5097 1574 06671 > > === > > #4 > > K1N, Navassa, Carribean, with the entire USA and most of Canada less than > 5,600 KM distant. > >CWSSB RTTYTotal >160 M5399005399 > > == > > #5 > > R1MVW/MVC, Malyj Vysotskij, from the north Baltic Sea, where the most > distant part of > Europe, Gibraltar, is only 3,600 KM distant. > >CWSSB RTTYTotal >160 M ???5082 > > = > > #6 > > T32C, Kiritimati Island, from near th
Re: Topband: K1N 5000q's on 160
Eugene, I sympathize with you. But location is everything; as we all know. What you really need is a most rare DX entity in YOUR backyard. Hmmm! There is one P5. When North Korea comes on the air on 160 M you and your buds will be some of the first in the log. It will be the boys in New England, the southern half of South America and the southern half of Africa who will be lamenting the low percentage of Qs with their parts of the world. Thanks for the Qs. Always a good signal here from your fine station. 73 de Milt, N5IA, and also operator of N7GP = -Original Message- From: Eugene Popov /RA0FF/ Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 7:53 PM To: ga...@ni6t.com Cc: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5000q's on 160 Congratulations to everyone who now has a new country on 160m! Unfortunately for asian HAMs from CQ- zones nr 19, 23,24 and 25 K1N activity on 160m has become one of the most unfortunate. Zone 25 = only 22 QSOs Zone 19 = 1 QSO (there is another QSO, which is held at 04:00UTC, it's either operator error expedition, or is someone's bad joke) Zones 23 and 24 = 0 QSOs. Of the total number of contacts at 160m on 19,23,24,25 zones is less than 0.48%. My friend said that we now have to live another 22 years longer and wait for the next expedition to Navassa! Hi-hi-hi -:)) 73! de Eugene RA0FF http://www.qsl.net/ra0ff/ - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5646 / Virus Database: 4284/9121 - Release Date: 02/15/15 _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Topband: K1N 5,399 q's on 160 M
Good evening all. The K1N final numbers are in. I also received some further statistics from Bernd, DF3CB, which slightly change the order of the standings. I received come comments about propagation differences. The following are, IMHO, the relevant factors. DX is DX no matter what band, but in particular on 160 Meters the farther you are from the majority of the contacts, the more difficult the possibility of large amounts of QSOs. Proximity to major ham population areas is the top contributor to the leading Q counts. It does not matter, IMHO, if the DXpedition is 2-man, 25-man, or anywhere in between, there is typically only one station and one operator at a time on Topband. They do not do both modes simultaneously on Topband. In this aspsect all DXpeditions are equal. Timing with the sunspot cycle is the next limiting factor. The reduction of the size and intensity of the polar ovals with low sunspots greatly assists the long, opposite side of the planet paths. Those operations that take place at or near the equator are always affected by QRN. IMHO the operations at 5A7A, K5D, K1N, R1MVW, HK0NA, TS7C,and TX5K did an extremely good job and were able to take advantage of the proximity to major population areas. They had to have a good station and great operators, and had to be on the ground long enough to take make the large amount of Qs. But, and again IMHO, the operations at VP6DX, T32C, and ZL8X are OUTSTANDING because they had to overcome the big one; DISTANCE, for nearly 100% of their Qs. Now to separate those three just a bit. ZL8X did 4,206 Qs with a crew of 14 operators and 18 days of operation. T32C did 4,985 Qs with a crew of 41 operators and 32 days of operation. VP6DX did 6,671 Qs with a crew of 13 operators and 17 days of operation. In all cases subtract at a minimum two days from the operation total to apply to the 160 M operations. Enjoy, and look for the upcoming web site by Bernd, DF3CB, with all the details and breakdowns of all the DXpeditions. 73 de Milt, N5IA === #1 5A7A, Libya, near Tripoli, with the entire European continent less than 4,000 KM distant. CW SSB RTTYPSK Total 160 M 6344 928 283 987653 === #2 K5D, Desecheo, Caribbean, with the entire USA and most of Canada less than 5,600 KM distant. SSB CWRTTY Total 160 M 19835213 0 7196 === #3 VP6DX, Ducie Atoll, from the middle of the south Pacific in the southern hemisphere summer. There was strong QRN and somewhat shorter nights (operating periods on Topband). ZL = 5,400+ KM; VK = 8,000 to 11,700 KM; KH6 = 5,800+ KM; JA = 11,900+ KM; west coast of South America = 5,000+ KM; Rio de Janeiro = 8,100 KM; San Diego, USA = 6,400 KM; NYC, USA = 8,900 KM; and in EU -- Madrid = 14,200 KM; London = 14,400 KM; Berlin = 15,200 KM; Rome = 15,690 KM; Moscow = 16,100 KM; Athens = 16,600 KM. CWSSBRTTY Total 160 M 5097 1574 06671 === #4 K1N, Navassa, Carribean, with the entire USA and most of Canada less than 5,600 KM distant. CWSSB RTTYTotal 160 M5399005399 == #5 R1MVW/MVC, Malyj Vysotskij, from the north Baltic Sea, where the most distant part of Europe, Gibraltar, is only 3,600 KM distant. CWSSB RTTYTotal 160 M ???5082 = #6 T32C, Kiritimati Island, from near the center of the Pacific Ocean, 200 KM north of the Equator. ZL = 5,100+ KM; VK = 6,200 to 10,000 KM; KH6 = 1,900+ KM; JA = 7,400+ KM; west coast of South America = 8,500+ KM; Rio de Janeiro = 12,600 KM; San Diego, USA = 5,400 KM; NYC, USA = 9,300 KM; and in EU -- Madrid = 14,600 KM; London = 13,700 KM; Berlin = 13,900 KM; Rome = 15,050 KM; Moscow = 13,460 KM; Athens = 15,580 KM. SSBCWPSKRTTYPSK63FTotal 160 M 91735734 449 414984 == #7 HK0NA, Malpelo, off SW coast of Central America, with the entire USA and most of Canada less than 7,000 KM distant. SSBCWRTTY Total 160 M8024138 04940 == #8 TS7C, Kerkennah Island, off the west coast of Tunisi
Re: Topband: K1N 5000q's on 160
Congratulations to everyone who now has a new country on 160m! Unfortunately for asian HAMs from CQ- zones nr 19, 23,24 and 25 K1N activity on 160m has become one of the most unfortunate. Zone 25 = only 22 QSOs Zone 19 = 1 QSO (there is another QSO, which is held at 04:00UTC, it's either operator error expedition, or is someone's bad joke) Zones 23 and 24 = 0 QSOs. Of the total number of contacts at 160m on 19,23,24,25 zones is less than 0.48%. My friend said that we now have to live another 22 years longer and wait for the next expedition to Navassa! Hi-hi-hi -:)) 73! de Eugene RA0FF http://www.qsl.net/ra0ff/ Воскресенье, 15 февраля 2015, 16:54 -08:00 от Garry Shapiro : >Milt, > >One factor influencing the results is that topband has not been a focus >for DXpeds for all that long. Time was that 2000 Q's was considered a >major achievement and that was not so long ago. Pretty much the same for >RTTY. Operating time used to be assigned grudgingly. The numbers have >gone up due to audience demand. > >Garry, NI6T > >On 2/14/2015 8:45 PM, Milt -- N5IA wrote: >> With a bit of time on my hands, and using some information and links >> sent to me by persons responding to my post earlier today, I have >> compiled the following list of All Time Topband DXpedition leaders for >> total 160 Meter Qs. >> >> The following list of 7 DXpeditions are head and shoulders above the >> rest of the pack, so far as I have been able to discover in the records. >> >> Most other major DXpedtions list total Topband Qs in the 2,500 to >> 3,500 range. Very interesting. >> >> Enjoy, and if anyone has further information, please forward it to me. >> Thanks, and have a great, leisurely weekend now that you don't have to >> pursue K1N. >> >> 73 de Milt, N5IA >> >> === >> >> >> >> #1 >> >> 5A7A, Libya, near Tripoli, with the entire European continent less >> than 4,000 KM distant. >> >> CW SSB RTTYPSK Total >> 160 M 6344 928 283 987653 >> === >> >> >> >> #2 >> >> K5D, Desecheo, Caribbean, with the entire USA and most of Canada less >> than 5,600 KM distant. >> >> SSB CWRTTY Total >>160 M 19835213 0 7196 >> === >> >> >> >> #3 >> >> VP6DX, Ducie Atoll, from the middle of the south Pacific in the >> southern hemisphere summer. >> There was strong QRN and somewhat shorter nights (operating periods on >> Topband). >> >> ZL = 5,400+ KM; VK = 8,000 to 11,700 KM; KH6 = 5,800+ KM; JA = >> 11,900+ KM; >> west coast of South America = 5,000+ KM; Rio de Janeiro = 8,100 KM; >> San Diego, USA = 6,400 KM; NYC, USA = 8,900 KM; >> and in EU -- Madrid = 14,200 KM; London = 14,400 KM; Berlin = 15,200 >> KM; >> Rome = 15,690 KM; Moscow = 16,100 KM; Athens = 16,600 KM. >> >>CWSSBRTTY Total >>160 M 5097 1574 06671 >> === >> >> >> >> #4 >> >> K1N, Navassa, Carribean, with the entire USA and most of Canada less >> than 5,600 KM distant. >> >>CWSSB RTTYTotal >>160 M5399005399plus what is worked >> the last night, 15 Feb 15. >> == >> >> >> >> #5 >> >> T32C, Kiritimati Island, from near the center of the Pacific Ocean, >> 200 KM north of the Equator. >> >> ZL = 5,100+ KM; VK = 6,200 to 10,000 KM; KH6 = 1,900+ KM; JA = >> 7,400+ KM; >> west coast of South America = 8,500+ KM; Rio de Janeiro = 12,600 KM; >> San Diego, USA = 5,400 KM; NYC, USA = 9,300 KM; >> and in EU -- Madrid = 14,600 KM; London = 13,700 KM; Berlin = 13,900 >> KM; >> Rome = 15,050 KM; Moscow = 13,460 KM; Athens = 15,580 KM. >> >> SSBCWPSKRTTYPSK63FTotal >>160 M 91735734 449 414984 >> == >> >> >> >> #6 >> >> HK0NA, Malpelo, off SW coast of Central America, with the entire USA >> and most of Canada less >> than 7,000 KM distant. >> >> SSBCWRTTY Total >>160 M8024138 04940 >> == >> >> >> >> #7 >> >> TX5K, Clipperton Island, off SW coast of Mexico, with the entire USA >> and most of Canada less >> than 6,000 KM distant. >> >> SSB CWRTTY Total >>160 M4233662 0 4085 >> >> >> >> >> >> - >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.co
Re: Topband: K1N 5000q's on 160
On Sun,2/15/2015 4:57 PM, Garry Shapiro wrote: What do you mean by FT5ZM being "nowhere near the sea"? My error. Sorry. Jim _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5000q's on 160
Jim, What do you mean by FT5ZM being "nowhere near the sea"? Garry On 2/14/2015 10:00 PM, Jim Brown wrote: On Sat,2/14/2015 8:45 PM, Milt -- N5IA wrote: With a bit of time on my hands, and using some information and links sent to me by persons responding to my post earlier today, I have compiled the following list of All Time Topband DXpedition leaders for total 160 Meter Qs. This is one of those achievements were simple numbers don't tell the whole story. Considering their location, special mention ought to be made of FT5ZM (3,578 Qs, 789 of them to North America, halfway round the world and nowhere near the sea), of PT0S (3,027 Qs from four operators on some rocks in the South Atlantic), and of the several other two-man expeditions by George and Tomi for which statistics are not on ClubLog. 73, Jim K9YC _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5000q's on 160
Milt, One factor influencing the results is that topband has not been a focus for DXpeds for all that long. Time was that 2000 Q's was considered a major achievement and that was not so long ago. Pretty much the same for RTTY. Operating time used to be assigned grudgingly. The numbers have gone up due to audience demand. Garry, NI6T On 2/14/2015 8:45 PM, Milt -- N5IA wrote: With a bit of time on my hands, and using some information and links sent to me by persons responding to my post earlier today, I have compiled the following list of All Time Topband DXpedition leaders for total 160 Meter Qs. The following list of 7 DXpeditions are head and shoulders above the rest of the pack, so far as I have been able to discover in the records. Most other major DXpedtions list total Topband Qs in the 2,500 to 3,500 range. Very interesting. Enjoy, and if anyone has further information, please forward it to me. Thanks, and have a great, leisurely weekend now that you don't have to pursue K1N. 73 de Milt, N5IA === #1 5A7A, Libya, near Tripoli, with the entire European continent less than 4,000 KM distant. CW SSB RTTYPSK Total 160 M 6344 928 283 987653 === #2 K5D, Desecheo, Caribbean, with the entire USA and most of Canada less than 5,600 KM distant. SSB CWRTTY Total 160 M 19835213 0 7196 === #3 VP6DX, Ducie Atoll, from the middle of the south Pacific in the southern hemisphere summer. There was strong QRN and somewhat shorter nights (operating periods on Topband). ZL = 5,400+ KM; VK = 8,000 to 11,700 KM; KH6 = 5,800+ KM; JA = 11,900+ KM; west coast of South America = 5,000+ KM; Rio de Janeiro = 8,100 KM; San Diego, USA = 6,400 KM; NYC, USA = 8,900 KM; and in EU -- Madrid = 14,200 KM; London = 14,400 KM; Berlin = 15,200 KM; Rome = 15,690 KM; Moscow = 16,100 KM; Athens = 16,600 KM. CWSSBRTTY Total 160 M 5097 1574 06671 === #4 K1N, Navassa, Carribean, with the entire USA and most of Canada less than 5,600 KM distant. CWSSB RTTYTotal 160 M5399005399plus what is worked the last night, 15 Feb 15. == #5 T32C, Kiritimati Island, from near the center of the Pacific Ocean, 200 KM north of the Equator. ZL = 5,100+ KM; VK = 6,200 to 10,000 KM; KH6 = 1,900+ KM; JA = 7,400+ KM; west coast of South America = 8,500+ KM; Rio de Janeiro = 12,600 KM; San Diego, USA = 5,400 KM; NYC, USA = 9,300 KM; and in EU -- Madrid = 14,600 KM; London = 13,700 KM; Berlin = 13,900 KM; Rome = 15,050 KM; Moscow = 13,460 KM; Athens = 15,580 KM. SSBCWPSKRTTYPSK63FTotal 160 M 91735734 449 414984 == #6 HK0NA, Malpelo, off SW coast of Central America, with the entire USA and most of Canada less than 7,000 KM distant. SSBCWRTTY Total 160 M8024138 04940 == #7 TX5K, Clipperton Island, off SW coast of Mexico, with the entire USA and most of Canada less than 6,000 KM distant. SSB CWRTTY Total 160 M4233662 0 4085 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5646 / Virus Database: 4284/9114 - Release Date: 02/14/15 _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Topband: K1N 5000q's on 160
Excellent indeed, made my topband QSO with K1N in the first couple of days of operation :) Just wished VU4KV and EP6T did like this, but they haven't dedicated to topband that much, maybe next time. 73 Jose CT1EEB - Original Message - From: "Herbert Schoenbohm" To: "TopBand List" Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 1:21 PM Subject: Topband: K1N 5000q's on 160 I just had a short chat with Jerry on 40 meters and he reported they logged over 5,000 contacts on 160 meters. This is nothing short of awesome and significantly helped somewhat by gaining access to the lighthouse as a support for their low band dipoles on TX. But without a doubt the devotion by this group to topband should not go unrewarded. Even if you did not need Navassa on 160 their efforts on TB stand as an excellent example of how import the inclusion of specialized operators and equipment are. On a related note, PQ0T will be on from Trindade (rare on 160) but have no plans to operate on Top Band. The may however, if the emails keep coming into them showing the demand, may try to load something up on 160 for at least one of the three nights they are there. Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5000q's on 160
Thanks Dick, > TX3A Chesterfield 3425 QSOs 2 man team from Nov 3 till Nov 30 2009 > VK9GMW Mellish Reef over 2000 QSOs 2 man team from March 28 till April 13 > 2009 we have both in the Mega DXpeditions Honor Roll, of course. However, we don't have the band/mode breakdowns of these two and others and thus can't provide the 160m QSO total. We would appreciate help to add missing data as soon a we publish the link to the Mega DXpeditions Honor Roll this week. 73 Bernd DF3CB _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5000q's on 160
HI Bernd, and all This looks nice but you forgot a few. TX3A Chesterfield 3425 QSOs 2 man team from Nov 3 till Nov 30 2009 VK9GMW Mellish Reef over 2000 QSOs 2 man team from March 28 till April 13 2009 Both were done by AA7JV, George anad HA7RY, Tomi 73 de Dick PA3FQA -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: DF3CB Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 10:39 AM To: TopBand List Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5000q's on 160 OH2BU has compiled the Mega DXpeditions Honor Roll and I have put it into a database and designed the web site. We have collected data of 221 DXpeditions with more than 3 QSOs since 1979. The web site is ready and we are finally going to publish it within the next couple of days after the final Navassa log upload to Club Log. It will show a lot of summaries and records, band/mode breakdowns (as far as available), QSL card images and DXpedition operator lists. QRX a few more days. The list of All Time Topband DXpedition leaders for total 160 Meter QSOs is: DXpedition DXCC Entity Year Days OPs 160m-QSOs 1 5A7A Libya 2006 14 29 7653 2 K5D Desecheo Island 2009 15 22 7215 3 VP6DXDucie Island2008 17 13 6671 4 K1N Navassa Island 2015 15 15 5399 5 R1MVW,R1MVC Malyj Vysotskij I. 2005 13 17 5082 6 T32C Eastern Kiribati2011 32 41 4985 7 HK0NAMalpelo Island 2012 27 20 4594 8 TS7C Tunisia 2009 12 25 4311 9 ZL8X Kermadec Islands2010 18 14 4206 10 TX5K Clipperton Island 20138 24 4085 11 FT5ZMAmsterdam and St. Paul 2014 18 14 3571 12 FP/VE7SV St.Pierre and Miquelon 2004 11 11 3419 13 4O3T Montenegro 2006 25 60 3375 14 J5C Guinea-Bissau 2007 11 16 3368 15 XF4DLRevilla Gigedo 2006 20 16 3041 16 PT0S St.Peter and St.Paul2012 14 4 3027 17 3B7C Agalega and St.Brandon 2007 16 20 2750 18 N8S Swains Island 2007 12 17 2696 19 K4M Midway Island 20097 18 2638^ 20 5T5DCMauritania 2008 16 9 2601 73 Bernd DF3CB _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5000q's on 160
OH2BU has compiled the Mega DXpeditions Honor Roll and I have put it into a database and designed the web site. We have collected data of 221 DXpeditions with more than 3 QSOs since 1979. The web site is ready and we are finally going to publish it within the next couple of days after the final Navassa log upload to Club Log. It will show a lot of summaries and records, band/mode breakdowns (as far as available), QSL card images and DXpedition operator lists. QRX a few more days. The list of All Time Topband DXpedition leaders for total 160 Meter QSOs is: DXpedition DXCC Entity Year Days OPs 160m-QSOs 1 5A7A Libya 2006 14 29 7653 2 K5D Desecheo Island 2009 15 22 7215 3 VP6DXDucie Island2008 17 13 6671 4 K1N Navassa Island 2015 15 15 5399 5 R1MVW,R1MVC Malyj Vysotskij I. 2005 13 17 5082 6 T32C Eastern Kiribati2011 32 41 4985 7 HK0NAMalpelo Island 2012 27 20 4594 8 TS7C Tunisia 2009 12 25 4311 9 ZL8X Kermadec Islands2010 18 14 4206 10 TX5K Clipperton Island 20138 24 4085 11 FT5ZMAmsterdam and St. Paul 2014 18 14 3571 12 FP/VE7SV St.Pierre and Miquelon 2004 11 11 3419 13 4O3T Montenegro 2006 25 60 3375 14 J5C Guinea-Bissau 2007 11 16 3368 15 XF4DLRevilla Gigedo 2006 20 16 3041 16 PT0S St.Peter and St.Paul2012 14 4 3027 17 3B7C Agalega and St.Brandon 2007 16 20 2750 18 N8S Swains Island 2007 12 17 2696 19 K4M Midway Island 20097 18 2638^ 20 5T5DCMauritania 2008 16 9 2601 73 Bernd DF3CB _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5000q's on 160
On Sat,2/14/2015 8:45 PM, Milt -- N5IA wrote: With a bit of time on my hands, and using some information and links sent to me by persons responding to my post earlier today, I have compiled the following list of All Time Topband DXpedition leaders for total 160 Meter Qs. This is one of those achievements were simple numbers don't tell the whole story. Considering their location, special mention ought to be made of FT5ZM (3,578 Qs, 789 of them to North America, halfway round the world and nowhere near the sea), of PT0S (3,027 Qs from four operators on some rocks in the South Atlantic), and of the several other two-man expeditions by George and Tomi for which statistics are not on ClubLog. 73, Jim K9YC _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5000q's on 160
I think propagation should be taken in consideration on 160, nowadays has been hard to work Europe form Florida, I don't remember propagation so difficult like the one we are experiencing during this second peak if the solar cycle. K1N results on 160 m are just fantastic. Regards JC N4IS -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Milt -- N5IA Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 11:45 PM To: TopBand List Subject: Topband: K1N 5000q's on 160 With a bit of time on my hands, and using some information and links sent to me by persons responding to my post earlier today, I have compiled the following list of All Time Topband DXpedition leaders for total 160 Meter Qs. The following list of 7 DXpeditions are head and shoulders above the rest of the pack, so far as I have been able to discover in the records. Most other major DXpedtions list total Topband Qs in the 2,500 to 3,500 range. Very interesting. Enjoy, and if anyone has further information, please forward it to me. Thanks, and have a great, leisurely weekend now that you don't have to pursue K1N. 73 de Milt, N5IA === #1 5A7A, Libya, near Tripoli, with the entire European continent less than 4,000 KM distant. CW SSB RTTYPSK Total 160 M 6344 928 283 987653 === #2 K5D, Desecheo, Caribbean, with the entire USA and most of Canada less than 5,600 KM distant. SSB CWRTTY Total 160 M 19835213 0 7196 === #3 VP6DX, Ducie Atoll, from the middle of the south Pacific in the southern hemisphere summer. There was strong QRN and somewhat shorter nights (operating periods on Topband). ZL = 5,400+ KM; VK = 8,000 to 11,700 KM; KH6 = 5,800+ KM; JA = 11,900+ KM; west coast of South America = 5,000+ KM; Rio de Janeiro = 8,100 KM; San Diego, USA = 6,400 KM; NYC, USA = 8,900 KM; and in EU -- Madrid = 14,200 KM; London = 14,400 KM; Berlin = 15,200 KM; Rome = 15,690 KM; Moscow = 16,100 KM; Athens = 16,600 KM. CWSSBRTTY Total 160 M 5097 1574 06671 === #4 K1N, Navassa, Carribean, with the entire USA and most of Canada less than 5,600 KM distant. CWSSB RTTYTotal 160 M5399005399plus what is worked the last night, 15 Feb 15. == #5 T32C, Kiritimati Island, from near the center of the Pacific Ocean, 200 KM north of the Equator. ZL = 5,100+ KM; VK = 6,200 to 10,000 KM; KH6 = 1,900+ KM; JA = 7,400+ KM; west coast of South America = 8,500+ KM; Rio de Janeiro = 12,600 KM; San Diego, USA = 5,400 KM; NYC, USA = 9,300 KM; and in EU -- Madrid = 14,600 KM; London = 13,700 KM; Berlin = 13,900 KM; Rome = 15,050 KM; Moscow = 13,460 KM; Athens = 15,580 KM. SSBCWPSKRTTYPSK63FTotal 160 M 91735734 449 414984 == #6 HK0NA, Malpelo, off SW coast of Central America, with the entire USA and most of Canada less than 7,000 KM distant. SSBCWRTTY Total 160 M8024138 04940 == #7 TX5K, Clipperton Island, off SW coast of Mexico, with the entire USA and most of Canada less than 6,000 KM distant. SSB CWRTTY Total 160 M4233662 0 4085 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5646 / Virus Database: 4284/9114 - Release Date: 02/14/15 _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Topband: K1N 5000q's on 160
With a bit of time on my hands, and using some information and links sent to me by persons responding to my post earlier today, I have compiled the following list of All Time Topband DXpedition leaders for total 160 Meter Qs. The following list of 7 DXpeditions are head and shoulders above the rest of the pack, so far as I have been able to discover in the records. Most other major DXpedtions list total Topband Qs in the 2,500 to 3,500 range. Very interesting. Enjoy, and if anyone has further information, please forward it to me. Thanks, and have a great, leisurely weekend now that you don't have to pursue K1N. 73 de Milt, N5IA === #1 5A7A, Libya, near Tripoli, with the entire European continent less than 4,000 KM distant. CW SSB RTTYPSK Total 160 M 6344 928 283 987653 === #2 K5D, Desecheo, Caribbean, with the entire USA and most of Canada less than 5,600 KM distant. SSB CWRTTY Total 160 M 19835213 0 7196 === #3 VP6DX, Ducie Atoll, from the middle of the south Pacific in the southern hemisphere summer. There was strong QRN and somewhat shorter nights (operating periods on Topband). ZL = 5,400+ KM; VK = 8,000 to 11,700 KM; KH6 = 5,800+ KM; JA = 11,900+ KM; west coast of South America = 5,000+ KM; Rio de Janeiro = 8,100 KM; San Diego, USA = 6,400 KM; NYC, USA = 8,900 KM; and in EU -- Madrid = 14,200 KM; London = 14,400 KM; Berlin = 15,200 KM; Rome = 15,690 KM; Moscow = 16,100 KM; Athens = 16,600 KM. CWSSBRTTY Total 160 M 5097 1574 06671 === #4 K1N, Navassa, Carribean, with the entire USA and most of Canada less than 5,600 KM distant. CWSSB RTTYTotal 160 M5399005399plus what is worked the last night, 15 Feb 15. == #5 T32C, Kiritimati Island, from near the center of the Pacific Ocean, 200 KM north of the Equator. ZL = 5,100+ KM; VK = 6,200 to 10,000 KM; KH6 = 1,900+ KM; JA = 7,400+ KM; west coast of South America = 8,500+ KM; Rio de Janeiro = 12,600 KM; San Diego, USA = 5,400 KM; NYC, USA = 9,300 KM; and in EU -- Madrid = 14,600 KM; London = 13,700 KM; Berlin = 13,900 KM; Rome = 15,050 KM; Moscow = 13,460 KM; Athens = 15,580 KM. SSBCWPSKRTTYPSK63FTotal 160 M 91735734 449 414984 == #6 HK0NA, Malpelo, off SW coast of Central America, with the entire USA and most of Canada less than 7,000 KM distant. SSBCWRTTY Total 160 M8024138 04940 == #7 TX5K, Clipperton Island, off SW coast of Mexico, with the entire USA and most of Canada less than 6,000 KM distant. SSB CWRTTY Total 160 M4233662 0 4085 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5646 / Virus Database: 4284/9114 - Release Date: 02/14/15 _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5000q's on 160
The 5A7A expedition had an amazing 160 meter QSO total of 7653 for a world record which I believe still stands...73, de gary -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Herbert Schoenbohm Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 4:17 PM To: Milt -- N5IA; TopBand List Subject: Re: Topband: K1N 5000q's on 160 You guys make me feel bad since in 1969 (K4IA/KC4) I was the only 160 meter op from Navassa and didn't crack 200but that was with a 170 foot wire strung rock to rock across Lulu Bay with a pair of Drake Twins and a series capacitor against the railroad track that was there as a sort of ground. The good news is that I worked the all of the faithful TB stalwarts of that era including W1BB Stew Perry who was chasing TB DXCC as others were. Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ On 2/14/2015 4:34 PM, Milt -- N5IA wrote: > Great show. To put it in perspective: > > Malpelo -- HK0NA, Similar to K1N, has the record for Topband Qs as far > as I know. Anyone have the Topband numbers? > > The Baltic Sea island a few years ago, right in the heart of EU, is # > 2. Anyone have the Topband numbers? > > VP6DX from the middle of the south Pacific, southern hemisphere summer. >CWSSBRTTY Band >160 M 5097 1574 06671 > > Anyone with numbers, please post them. > > 73 de Milt, N5IA > > -Original Message- From: Herbert Schoenbohm > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 6:21 AM > To: TopBand List > Subject: Topband: K1N 5000q's on 160 > > I just had a short chat with Jerry on 40 meters and he reported they > logged over 5,000 contacts on 160 meters. > > > CUT > > > Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ > > > > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5646 / Virus Database: 4284/9112 - Release Date: 02/14/15 > _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5000q's on 160
You guys make me feel bad since in 1969 (K4IA/KC4) I was the only 160 meter op from Navassa and didn't crack 200but that was with a 170 foot wire strung rock to rock across Lulu Bay with a pair of Drake Twins and a series capacitor against the railroad track that was there as a sort of ground. The good news is that I worked the all of the faithful TB stalwarts of that era including W1BB Stew Perry who was chasing TB DXCC as others were. Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ On 2/14/2015 4:34 PM, Milt -- N5IA wrote: Great show. To put it in perspective: Malpelo -- HK0NA, Similar to K1N, has the record for Topband Qs as far as I know. Anyone have the Topband numbers? The Baltic Sea island a few years ago, right in the heart of EU, is # 2. Anyone have the Topband numbers? VP6DX from the middle of the south Pacific, southern hemisphere summer. CWSSBRTTY Band 160 M 5097 1574 06671 Anyone with numbers, please post them. 73 de Milt, N5IA -Original Message- From: Herbert Schoenbohm Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 6:21 AM To: TopBand List Subject: Topband: K1N 5000q's on 160 I just had a short chat with Jerry on 40 meters and he reported they logged over 5,000 contacts on 160 meters. CUT Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5646 / Virus Database: 4284/9112 - Release Date: 02/14/15 _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Topband: K1N 5000q's on 160
Great show. To put it in perspective: Malpelo -- HK0NA, Similar to K1N, has the record for Topband Qs as far as I know. Anyone have the Topband numbers? The Baltic Sea island a few years ago, right in the heart of EU, is # 2. Anyone have the Topband numbers? VP6DX from the middle of the south Pacific, southern hemisphere summer. CWSSBRTTY Band 160 M 5097 1574 06671 Anyone with numbers, please post them. 73 de Milt, N5IA -Original Message- From: Herbert Schoenbohm Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 6:21 AM To: TopBand List Subject: Topband: K1N 5000q's on 160 I just had a short chat with Jerry on 40 meters and he reported they logged over 5,000 contacts on 160 meters. CUT Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5646 / Virus Database: 4284/9112 - Release Date: 02/14/15 _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5000q's on 160
PQ0T info: http://www.dx-world.net/pq0t-trindade-island/ 73 Steve HA0DU 2015.02.14. 18:43 keltezéssel, Gary Smith írta: I have only one Q from Trindade dating back to 1990 on 40M when I was using a small octagonal loop inside my Condo. I'd sure love getting this on TB 73, Gary KA1J On 2/14/2015 5:21 AM, Herbert Schoenbohm wrote: On a related note, PQ0T will be on from Trindade (rare on 160) but have no plans to operate on Top Band. The may however, if the emails keep coming into them showing the demand, may try to load something up on 160 for at least one of the three nights they are there. Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ _ Does anyone have the actual date of this operation? All I can find on the web is "2nd half of 2015" and "we're not allowed to say any more". No pitch for donations even :-) I need this one for an ATNO, so at first it would seem like operating on 160 would be counterproductive, especially for only 3 days operation. Paradoxically, 160 meters was the easiest QSO (out of 12 slots) on the Navassa operation, which was also an ATNO for me. I think I called 2 or 3 times at the most on 160 before they came back. It helped that the pileup wasn't 25 kHz wide. Rick N6RK _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband --- Ezt az e-mailt az Avast víruskereső szoftver átvizsgálta. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5000q's on 160
I have only one Q from Trindade dating back to 1990 on 40M when I was using a small octagonal loop inside my Condo. I'd sure love getting this on TB 73, Gary KA1J > > > On 2/14/2015 5:21 AM, Herbert Schoenbohm wrote: > > > > On a related note, PQ0T will be on from Trindade (rare on 160) but have > > no plans to operate on Top Band. The may however, if the emails keep > > coming into them showing the demand, may try to load something up on 160 > > for at least one of the three nights they are there. > > > > > > Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ > > _ > > Does anyone have the actual date of this operation? All I can > find on the web is "2nd half of 2015" and "we're not allowed > to say any more". No pitch for donations even :-) > > I need this one for an ATNO, so at first it would seem like > operating on 160 would be counterproductive, especially for > only 3 days operation. Paradoxically, 160 meters was the > easiest QSO (out of 12 slots) on the Navassa operation, > which was also an ATNO for me. I think I called 2 or 3 times > at the most on 160 before they came back. It helped that > the pileup wasn't 25 kHz wide. > > Rick N6RK > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5000q's on 160
On 2/14/2015 5:21 AM, Herbert Schoenbohm wrote: On a related note, PQ0T will be on from Trindade (rare on 160) but have no plans to operate on Top Band. The may however, if the emails keep coming into them showing the demand, may try to load something up on 160 for at least one of the three nights they are there. Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ _ Does anyone have the actual date of this operation? All I can find on the web is "2nd half of 2015" and "we're not allowed to say any more". No pitch for donations even :-) I need this one for an ATNO, so at first it would seem like operating on 160 would be counterproductive, especially for only 3 days operation. Paradoxically, 160 meters was the easiest QSO (out of 12 slots) on the Navassa operation, which was also an ATNO for me. I think I called 2 or 3 times at the most on 160 before they came back. It helped that the pileup wasn't 25 kHz wide. Rick N6RK _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N 5000q's on 160
Hi Herb Really very interesting. I asked the PY friends to try 160 mts. Hope they can do. George AA7JV was in PT0S (2012) with Fred PY2XB so maybe Fred and other PY can help with the antennas for them, just a thought 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W -Mensaje original- De: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] En nombre de Herbert Schoenbohm Enviado el: sábado, 14 de febrero de 2015 11:22 a.m. Para: TopBand List Asunto: Topband: K1N 5000q's on 160 I just had a short chat with Jerry on 40 meters and he reported they logged over 5,000 contacts on 160 meters. This is nothing short of awesome and significantly helped somewhat by gaining access to the lighthouse as a support for their low band dipoles on TX. But without a doubt the devotion by this group to topband should not go unrewarded. Even if you did not need Navassa on 160 their efforts on TB stand as an excellent example of how import the inclusion of specialized operators and equipment are. On a related note, PQ0T will be on from Trindade (rare on 160) but have no plans to operate on Top Band. The may however, if the emails keep coming into them showing the demand, may try to load something up on 160 for at least one of the three nights they are there. Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband --- El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electrónico en busca de virus. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Topband: K1N 5000q's on 160
I just had a short chat with Jerry on 40 meters and he reported they logged over 5,000 contacts on 160 meters. This is nothing short of awesome and significantly helped somewhat by gaining access to the lighthouse as a support for their low band dipoles on TX. But without a doubt the devotion by this group to topband should not go unrewarded. Even if you did not need Navassa on 160 their efforts on TB stand as an excellent example of how import the inclusion of specialized operators and equipment are. On a related note, PQ0T will be on from Trindade (rare on 160) but have no plans to operate on Top Band. The may however, if the emails keep coming into them showing the demand, may try to load something up on 160 for at least one of the three nights they are there. Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project
> I've been ham since 1969 and there has always been a issue with DQRM. > > Mike N2MS > - Original Message - > From: Donald Chester > > What does it say about the state of amateur radio to-day, that the term > "DQRM" has entered our jargon? Yes, it has been with us a long time. Largely (but not entirely) a legacy of the 75m AM v. SSB wars of the early 1960s. But in numerous discussions of the K1N issue was the first time I have ever heard of "DQRM". The addition of that term to our jargon must mean the problem has now surpassed some critical mass of pervasiveness. Don k4kyv _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project
I've been ham since 1969 and there has always been a issue with DQRM. Mike N2MS - Original Message - From: Donald Chester To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 20:54:33 - (UTC) Subject: Re: Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project What does it say about the state of amateur radio to-day, that the term "DQRM" has entered our jargon? _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project
What does it say about the state of amateur radio to-day, that the term "DQRM" has entered our jargon? _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project
Mike Waters wrote: > You may have seen an old Wullenweber antenna array at one of those older > FCC sites. IIRC, one is (or was) on the east coast. AFAIK, the Wullenweber > is not used anymore by the FCC and is scheduled to be (or already has been) > replaced with a different --and far less complex-- antenna. > > A story ran in Stars and Stripes (mil newspaper) 2 or 3 months ago saying that the Wullenweber at Misawa Japan was then being decommissioned and torn down. The sole surviving such site was now at Elmendorf AFB AK. Bob k2euh _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project
The wullenweber at the USCG electronics lab in Alexandria va (K4CG) was available to any government agency Who wanted to use it. It was used by the Navy, the USCG for search and rescue, the FCC and we had other Agencies come there who never actually identified what agency having made arrangements with the commanding Officer before coming out. Chet N4FX -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of mstang...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 1:38 PM To: Mike Waters Cc: topband Subject: Re: Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project The actors on 14.313 were on the air for months. They also advertised their calls so it was probably easy to track then. It's different if a DQRM'er is on sporadically and on different frequencies. I thought the Wullenweber was use by the Military, not the FCC. Mike N2MS - Original Message - From: Mike Waters To: topband Sent: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 18:04:17 - (UTC) Subject: Re: Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project You may have seen an old Wullenweber antenna array at one of those older FCC sites. IIRC, one is (or was) on the east coast. AFAIK, the Wullenweber is not used anymore by the FCC and is scheduled to be (or already has been) replaced with a different --and far less complex-- antenna. One thing the FCC uses their newest HFDF system for is to pinpoint the source of some idiots who make a sick hobby out of QRMing, for example, 14.313. There are remote locations all over North America. The FCC claims --and I believe them-- that they can use that system to quickly triangulate an HF transmitter's location with a very high degree of accuracy. >From looking at the PDF I referenced earlier, I'm not certain that all the remote locations are in operation yet. The last one appears to have a completion date of sometime later this year. 73, Mike www.w0btu.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project
The actors on 14.313 were on the air for months. They also advertised their calls so it was probably easy to track then. It's different if a DQRM'er is on sporadically and on different frequencies. I thought the Wullenweber was use by the Military, not the FCC. Mike N2MS - Original Message - From: Mike Waters To: topband Sent: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 18:04:17 - (UTC) Subject: Re: Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project You may have seen an old Wullenweber antenna array at one of those older FCC sites. IIRC, one is (or was) on the east coast. AFAIK, the Wullenweber is not used anymore by the FCC and is scheduled to be (or already has been) replaced with a different --and far less complex-- antenna. One thing the FCC uses their newest HFDF system for is to pinpoint the source of some idiots who make a sick hobby out of QRMing, for example, 14.313. There are remote locations all over North America. The FCC claims --and I believe them-- that they can use that system to quickly triangulate an HF transmitter's location with a very high degree of accuracy. >From looking at the PDF I referenced earlier, I'm not certain that all the remote locations are in operation yet. The last one appears to have a completion date of sometime later this year. 73, Mike www.w0btu.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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You may have seen an old Wullenweber antenna array at one of those older FCC sites. IIRC, one is (or was) on the east coast. AFAIK, the Wullenweber is not used anymore by the FCC and is scheduled to be (or already has been) replaced with a different --and far less complex-- antenna. One thing the FCC uses their newest HFDF system for is to pinpoint the source of some idiots who make a sick hobby out of QRMing, for example, 14.313. There are remote locations all over North America. The FCC claims --and I believe them-- that they can use that system to quickly triangulate an HF transmitter's location with a very high degree of accuracy. >From looking at the PDF I referenced earlier, I'm not certain that all the remote locations are in operation yet. The last one appears to have a completion date of sometime later this year. 73, Mike www.w0btu.com On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 6:27 PM, wrote: > Ah ha! So the concept is possible. IIRC, the photo I saw had a > receiver in a small "globe" that was perched upon a single post that wasn't > very tall...nothing exotic, but it was "in the clear" apparently surrounded > by an open field. > > Who knows WHAT the government is using the system > for...heh...heh..hopefully for good. Communications from drug smugglers > comes to mind. It would be very helpful if we Hams had access to that > system (or maybe build one for our use?). > > On Sun, 8 Feb 2015 14:11:42 -0600 Mike Waters writes: > > I didn't see the ARRL article, but I have researched this on the Web. > Type these words into Google: > > fcc hf df > > The first hit is a map of where they all are. Most are unmanned. They are > all linked to a single manned command center. > > I'm not certain what type of antennas they use. I studied the satellite > images, but all I could make out were the antenna support structures. It > looked like V-beams to me, but I'm not sure. > > 73, Mike > www.w0btu.com > > On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 1:18 PM, wrote: > >> IIRC, quite some years ago, QST had a photo & description of a FCC >> "signal locator" (for lack of a better description) consisting of several >> remote receivers that were linked together. >> >> Anyway, these could instantly locate the origin of a skywave signal with >> a resolution of a city block(!!) using a precise timing equipment/technique. >> > > > > _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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You/re right of course, it's 1 ft/nanosecond. Don't know what I was thinking. I was also focusing on CW DQRM, since that is 99% of what I operate, and since carriers and CW jamming havw been endemic on the Navassa dxpedition's top band and 80m operations. I agree that for SSB interference, the concept would be harder to implement since there would be no sharply defined turn-on time for the interference at the receiving stations. There is no sharply defined turn on time for CW, either. These people are not transmitting multi-kilowatt LORAN pulses that are 100 kHz bandwidth through highly efficient antenna systems. What is being proposed is not that much different than LORAN, except now the signal level is in the noise and does not have a well-defined transition point in any mode. The S/N at each site would determine when any given site detects a change. I'm afraid anything affected by strength is a waste of time. We'd be doing well to get within 200 miles. The sites might be able to look at signal phase, but it seems to me directional detection at each site would be far easier, more accurate, and more reliable. From here looking at phase differences between antennas using an NCC-1, I can get within about 2-3 degrees compass heading. The calibration process is tedious. I'm sure I could do that or better with a specialized small antenna system that would remain calibrated for a very long time. 73 Tom _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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Hi Charlie, You/re right of course, it's 1 ft/nanosecond. Don't know what I was thinking. I was also focusing on CW DQRM, since that is 99% of what I operate, and since carriers and CW jamming havw been endemic on the Navassa dxpedition's top band and 80m operations. I agree that for SSB interference, the concept would be harder to implement since there would be no sharply defined turn-on time for the interference at the receiving stations. I was also envisaging receiving stations spaced, e.g., 100 miles or more apart, and for those the time delays coould be a msec or longeer, and not just a phase shift. Of course, multipath and ionisspheric reflection would be a problem on the higher frequentices, although the accuracy would be improved with more than three receiving stations. I've nothing against direction finding, but that's likely to have much more inherent error than a technique which involves only time measurements. For topband DQRM, I've assumed most of the jamming came from US stations, but that's just a guess. 73, Jim W8ZR > -Original Message- > From: Charlie Cunningham [mailto:charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com] > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 11:54 PM > To: 'Jim Garland'; 'Lee K7TJR'; Topband@contesting.com > Subject: RE: Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project > > Actually ,Jim, the velocity of propagation of radio waves (or light waves) > in free space is about 1 foot/nanosecond, NOT 1 foot per microsecond. It > would seem to me that one needs to have a measure of directivity as well a s > time, an the time factor might boil down to phase difference measurements. > Thinking of applying all of this to something complex like SSB modulation > sounds pretty messy. And a lot of the interference originates outside our > borders, so I don't see who would be the enforcement body? > > > Just my $0.02 > > 73, > Charlie, K4OTV > > > -Original Message- > From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Garland > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 9:08 PM > To: 'Lee K7TJR'; Topband@contesting.com > Subject: Re: Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project > > I agree, Lee. Locating a DQRM station involves accurately time stamping the > arrival time of their transmissions, at (at least) three receivers at known > locations. Once the arrival times are known, one can use trigonometry to > calculate the location of the interfering station. Since radio waves travel > about one foot in a microsecond, and since a microsecond is an eternity by > modern frequency counter standards, it should be possible to get very > precise locations. The city block mentioned earlier should be readily > doable. Of course, this requires that the three receivers be able to copy > the DQRM ground wave signal, since the arrival times would otherwise be > dependent on ionispheric reflections. More than three receivers would result > in more accurate position measurements.. There's no need to use direction > finding equipment, which are very low resolution by comparison with time > measurements.. > > I'm no authority on FCC rules, but I'm under the impression that > deliberately interfering with other licensed transmissions is against the > law. Every month or so, the FCC nails some renegade ham or CBer for doing > just that. Probably just publicizing the callsign of the culprits would be a > large deterrant for all but the most sociopathic offenders. > 73, > 'Jim > > > -Original Message- > > From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Lee > K7TJR > > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 4:47 PM > > To: topband@contesting.com > > Subject: Re: Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project > > > > > > Greetings top-band community, > > > > Interestingly enough the technology exists right here in our own Ham > > community that could go a long way toward finding these DQRM culprits. > > There are some beam forming arrays that operate with SDR > > technology where a recording can be made of a target bandwidth and > > later reviewed > with > > beam forming techniques to DF using a peak or notch completely after > > the event has long gone. In fact directional and strength data can be > > stored > in > > perpetuity. > > So my comment is don't underestimate the ability to identify these > idiots. > > Being able to actually replay an entire contest and do a strength > > and directional analysis in a narrow bandwidth after the fact to me is > > the ultimate receiving system. > > > > Lee K7TJR OR > > > > > > > only get to a general area. With maybe 3-10 idiots at any one
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Wouldn't the timescale based on leading edge TOF, be the rise time of the pulse? For triangulating on lightning bolts by TOF, rise time doesn't seem to be a limiting factor because lightning bolts are fast enough to be broadband across many MHz. But for ham CW transmissions (which would include many tuner-uppers as well as the kc cop QRM) rise time is milliseconds. A millisecond in time, is 200 miles, and I would expect a half dozen hams with beams or directional arrays correlating their headings would be superior. I have no doubt NSA and maybe FCC can avoid rise time limits through true interferometry. Tim N3QE On Tuesday, February 10, 2015, Charlie Cunningham < charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com> wrote: > Actually ,Jim, the velocity of propagation of radio waves (or light waves) > in free space is about 1 foot/nanosecond, NOT 1 foot per microsecond. It > would seem to me that one needs to have a measure of directivity as well a > s > time, an the time factor might boil down to phase difference measurements. > Thinking of applying all of this to something complex like SSB modulation > sounds pretty messy. And a lot of the interference originates outside our > borders, so I don't see who would be the enforcement body? > > > Just my $0.02 > > 73, > Charlie, K4OTV > > > -Original Message- > From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com ] On > Behalf Of Jim > Garland > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 9:08 PM > To: 'Lee K7TJR'; Topband@contesting.com > Subject: Re: Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project > > I agree, Lee. Locating a DQRM station involves accurately time stamping the > arrival time of their transmissions, at (at least) three receivers at known > locations. Once the arrival times are known, one can use trigonometry to > calculate the location of the interfering station. Since radio waves travel > about one foot in a microsecond, and since a microsecond is an eternity by > modern frequency counter standards, it should be possible to get very > precise locations. The city block mentioned earlier should be readily > doable. Of course, this requires that the three receivers be able to copy > the DQRM ground wave signal, since the arrival times would otherwise be > dependent on ionispheric reflections. More than three receivers would > result > in more accurate position measurements.. There's no need to use direction > finding equipment, which are very low resolution by comparison with time > measurements.. > > I'm no authority on FCC rules, but I'm under the impression that > deliberately interfering with other licensed transmissions is against the > law. Every month or so, the FCC nails some renegade ham or CBer for doing > just that. Probably just publicizing the callsign of the culprits would be > a > large deterrant for all but the most sociopathic offenders. > 73, > 'Jim > > > -Original Message- > > From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com ] On > Behalf Of Lee > K7TJR > > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 4:47 PM > > To: topband@contesting.com > > Subject: Re: Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project > > > > > > Greetings top-band community, > > > > Interestingly enough the technology exists right here in our own Ham > > community that could go a long way toward finding these DQRM culprits. > > There are some beam forming arrays that operate with SDR > > technology where a recording can be made of a target bandwidth and > > later reviewed > with > > beam forming techniques to DF using a peak or notch completely after > > the event has long gone. In fact directional and strength data can be > > stored > in > > perpetuity. > > So my comment is don't underestimate the ability to identify these > idiots. > > Being able to actually replay an entire contest and do a strength > > and directional analysis in a narrow bandwidth after the fact to me is > > the ultimate receiving system. > > > > Lee K7TJR OR > > > > > > > only get to a general area. With maybe 3-10 idiots at any one time, > > and the > 3-10 > > active at any time probably varying every hour, it might be pretty > > tough > to > > do anything meaningful. > > > > Since attention is what they want, I wonder if this effort would not > > encourage participation in jamming at a faster rate than it solves > anything? > > > > Has anyone ever looked to see if there is any correlation between > > intentional QRM and the DX station spreading people over a wide swath > > of > the > > band? More than once, I've heard people intentionally threaten to QRM > > DX because they were POed that their QSO was interrupted by a pileup.> > > > > <73 Tom > > > > > _ > > _ > > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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Actually ,Jim, the velocity of propagation of radio waves (or light waves) in free space is about 1 foot/nanosecond, NOT 1 foot per microsecond. It would seem to me that one needs to have a measure of directivity as well a s time, an the time factor might boil down to phase difference measurements. Thinking of applying all of this to something complex like SSB modulation sounds pretty messy. And a lot of the interference originates outside our borders, so I don't see who would be the enforcement body? Just my $0.02 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Jim Garland Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 9:08 PM To: 'Lee K7TJR'; Topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project I agree, Lee. Locating a DQRM station involves accurately time stamping the arrival time of their transmissions, at (at least) three receivers at known locations. Once the arrival times are known, one can use trigonometry to calculate the location of the interfering station. Since radio waves travel about one foot in a microsecond, and since a microsecond is an eternity by modern frequency counter standards, it should be possible to get very precise locations. The city block mentioned earlier should be readily doable. Of course, this requires that the three receivers be able to copy the DQRM ground wave signal, since the arrival times would otherwise be dependent on ionispheric reflections. More than three receivers would result in more accurate position measurements.. There's no need to use direction finding equipment, which are very low resolution by comparison with time measurements.. I'm no authority on FCC rules, but I'm under the impression that deliberately interfering with other licensed transmissions is against the law. Every month or so, the FCC nails some renegade ham or CBer for doing just that. Probably just publicizing the callsign of the culprits would be a large deterrant for all but the most sociopathic offenders. 73, 'Jim > -Original Message- > From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Lee K7TJR > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 4:47 PM > To: topband@contesting.com > Subject: Re: Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project > > > Greetings top-band community, > > Interestingly enough the technology exists right here in our own Ham > community that could go a long way toward finding these DQRM culprits. > There are some beam forming arrays that operate with SDR > technology where a recording can be made of a target bandwidth and > later reviewed with > beam forming techniques to DF using a peak or notch completely after > the event has long gone. In fact directional and strength data can be > stored in > perpetuity. > So my comment is don't underestimate the ability to identify these idiots. > Being able to actually replay an entire contest and do a strength > and directional analysis in a narrow bandwidth after the fact to me is > the ultimate receiving system. > > Lee K7TJR OR > > > only get to a general area. With maybe 3-10 idiots at any one time, > and the 3-10 > active at any time probably varying every hour, it might be pretty > tough to > do anything meaningful. > > Since attention is what they want, I wonder if this effort would not > encourage participation in jamming at a faster rate than it solves anything? > > Has anyone ever looked to see if there is any correlation between > intentional QRM and the DX station spreading people over a wide swath > of the > band? More than once, I've heard people intentionally threaten to QRM > DX because they were POed that their QSO was interrupted by a pileup.> > > <73 Tom > > > _ > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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A friend of mine told me recently that he has had the electrical utility company out several times to fix noise problems and without ever leaving his house tells them exactly which pole is the culprit. Further, that they were always happy to help because he has not been wrong yet. OK, so how did you do it, I asked. First, his rotator is digital and as dead on accurately calibrated as can be achieved. That is accomplished by using the roofline of the house on a Satellite mapping program. He peaks the noise using his Yagi antenna. Then he backs off the RF Gain so the noise is still audible to some level with AF Gain all the way up. Then he moves the antenna off one direction and then the other documenting the exact heading (to a tenth of a degree I guess) where the signal audibly disappears, averages those two beam headings and plots a line from his tower on one of the maps that shows everything in detail including power poles- Google Maps, I suppose. The plotted line goes right through the pole causing the problem. He said if Google didn't black out the numbers on the pole, like they do on license plates, he could in most cases give them the pole number. I know that QSB, the distance, duration of the interfering signal, and other factors that I'm not even thinking about are in play but would think that if you had multiple setups like that it would be possible in some cases to narrow it down to a reasonably small area. SDR recordings with time and signal strength linked to exact beam headings during a rotation of the antennas and some good software sounds plausible to somewhat automate the process. An interesting test would be for someone on the East Coast and someone in Florida with an accurate calibration as described, try to zero in on someone in the Midwest who is giving them about two minutes of key down. I think maybe even a couple degrees error in the heading would not equate to but a few miles (5-1/4 miles per degree?) at a distance of 600 miles, for example. Regardless, I am much less excited about finding these guys as I am in some day using this technique to pinpoint line noise. The time I told the supervisor at the power company that I had spent the previous two hours going after his power poles with a sledge hammer while talking to my wife on the phone with the radio receiver going, he didn't even smile.:-) 73...Stan, K5GO _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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To put this in perspective, I have some familiarity with surveillance systems used by government agencies to search for sources of RF such as cell phones, listening devices, etc in secure locations. It has some analogies to the DQRM problem. Using relative amplitude doesn't work very well to do RF location. Using relative time of arrival works somewhat better, but is also far from infallible. Multipath is a serious problem. I also have some familiarity with systems used by cell phones to determine their position for 911 when they lose GPS access. Another difficult problem. It just doesn't seem like hams are going to do what the professionals are still struggling with. I think the idea of the DQRM is that we get lucky and someone hears the interferer at 60 dB over S9 and can narrow down the offender to a few nearby stations. Rick N6RK _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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I surely don't think so! I don't expect that there is any way, unless ALL amateur transmitters were equipped with an embedded address encoder and supplied the owner/operator's call and the station GPS coordinates!! My $0.02 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Peter Voelpel Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 9:12 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project Are you sure that will work with sky wave signals? 73 Peter -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Lee K7TJR Being able to actually replay an entire contest and do a strength and directional analysis in a narrow bandwidth after the fact to me is the ultimate receiving system. _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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No of course not Peter, I think it would work fairly well on one hop and ground wave signals judging from my experience with narrow beam arrays. As much skewing as we see on distant signals and the fact that we are looking at beamwidth in degrees pretty well says there is no way of DFing with any accuracy across the pond or through the auroral oval. Lee -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Peter Voelpel Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 6:12 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project Are you sure that will work with sky wave signals? 73 Peter -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Lee K7TJR Being able to actually replay an entire contest and do a strength and directional analysis in a narrow bandwidth after the fact to me is the ultimate receiving system. _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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I agree, Lee. Locating a DQRM station involves accurately time stamping the arrival time of their transmissions, at (at least) three receivers at known locations. Once the arrival times are known, one can use trigonometry to calculate the location of the interfering station. Since radio waves travel about one foot in a microsecond, and since a microsecond is an eternity by modern frequency counter standards, it should be possible to get very precise locations. The city block mentioned earlier should be readily doable. Of course, this requires that the three receivers be able to copy the DQRM ground wave signal, since the arrival times would otherwise be dependent on ionispheric reflections. More than three receivers would result in more accurate position measurements.. There's no need to use direction finding equipment, which are very low resolution by comparison with time measurements.. I'm no authority on FCC rules, but I'm under the impression that deliberately interfering with other licensed transmissions is against the law. Every month or so, the FCC nails some renegade ham or CBer for doing just that. Probably just publicizing the callsign of the culprits would be a large deterrant for all but the most sociopathic offenders. 73, 'Jim > -Original Message- > From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Lee K7TJR > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 4:47 PM > To: topband@contesting.com > Subject: Re: Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project > > > Greetings top-band community, > > Interestingly enough the technology exists right here in our own Ham > community that could go a long way toward finding these DQRM culprits. > There are some beam forming arrays that operate with SDR technology > where a recording can be made of a target bandwidth and later reviewed with > beam forming techniques to DF using a peak or notch completely after the > event has long gone. In fact directional and strength data can be stored in > perpetuity. > So my comment is don't underestimate the ability to identify these idiots. > Being able to actually replay an entire contest and do a strength and > directional analysis in a narrow bandwidth after the fact to me is the > ultimate receiving system. > > Lee K7TJR OR > > > get to a general area. With maybe 3-10 idiots at any one time, and the 3-10 > active at any time probably varying every hour, it might be pretty tough to > do anything meaningful. > > Since attention is what they want, I wonder if this effort would not > encourage participation in jamming at a faster rate than it solves anything? > > Has anyone ever looked to see if there is any correlation between > intentional QRM and the DX station spreading people over a wide swath of the > band? More than once, I've heard people intentionally threaten to QRM DX > because they were POed that their QSO was interrupted by a pileup.> > > <73 Tom > > > _ > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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Are you sure that will work with sky wave signals? 73 Peter -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Lee K7TJR Being able to actually replay an entire contest and do a strength and directional analysis in a narrow bandwidth after the fact to me is the ultimate receiving system. _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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Greetings top-band community, Interestingly enough the technology exists right here in our own Ham community that could go a long way toward finding these DQRM culprits. There are some beam forming arrays that operate with SDR technology where a recording can be made of a target bandwidth and later reviewed with beam forming techniques to DF using a peak or notch completely after the event has long gone. In fact directional and strength data can be stored in perpetuity. So my comment is don't underestimate the ability to identify these idiots. Being able to actually replay an entire contest and do a strength and directional analysis in a narrow bandwidth after the fact to me is the ultimate receiving system. Lee K7TJR OR <73 Tom > _ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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I don't remember the article, Charlie, but that's a fabulous idea, and at first blush it doesn't sound all that hard to implement. One way might be to set up three receivers at different locations, each with a 10 MHz GPS or rubidium time base (both inexpensive and readily available.). For each receiver, a simple frequency divider could produce a pulse every 100 milliseconds from the time base. The pulse would trigger a frequency counter, which would then count the elapsed time from the ttrigger pulse until the DQRM signal started transmitting (or stopped transmitting - doesn't matter which). Once the differences in elapsed times were known between the three receivers, the DQRM signal could be accurately triangulated. Sounds ike a fun project. Sure wish we'd had something like that for the Navassa DQRM jerks. I'd be interested in some project like that, but I'm afraid it would only get to a general area. With maybe 3-10 idiots at any one time, and the 3-10 active at any time probably varying every hour, it might be pretty tough to do anything meaningful. Since attention is what they want, I wonder if this effort would not encourage participation in jamming at a faster rate than it solves anything? Has anyone ever looked to see if there is any correlation between intentional QRM and the DX station spreading people over a wide swath of the band? More than once, I've heard people intentionally threaten to QRM DX because they were POed that their QSO was interrupted by a pileup. 73 Tom _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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If you did locate the offender what would you do? You could report him (or her) to the FCC but the FCC would probably not act until they could catch the offender in the act. These DQRM offenders act sporadically so it would be difficult to track them down. What is the offense? This is not interference in an emergency or health and welfare situation but to a station participating in a hobby event which itself is using up tens of kilohertz of spectrum for the act of working a "new country". Mike N2MS - Original Message - From: Jim Garland <4cx2...@miamioh.edu> To: n0...@juno.com, Topband@contesting.com Sent: Sun, 08 Feb 2015 19:49:28 - (UTC) Subject: Re: Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project I don't remember the article, Charlie, but that's a fabulous idea, and at first blush it doesn't sound all that hard to implement. One way might be to set up three receivers at different locations, each with a 10 MHz GPS or rubidium time base (both inexpensive and readily available.). For each receiver, a simple frequency divider could produce a pulse every 100 milliseconds from the time base. The pulse would trigger a frequency counter, which would then count the elapsed time from the ttrigger pulse until the DQRM signal started transmitting (or stopped transmitting - doesn't matter which). Once the differences in elapsed times were known between the three receivers, the DQRM signal could be accurately triangulated. Sounds ike a fun project. Sure wish we'd had something like that for the Navassa DQRM jerks. 73, Jim W8ZR > _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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IMHO, the K1N 'DQRM Tracking Project' is fostering perpetrators to flex their muscle and mettle and challenge the status quo. The K1N web site proclamation " the objective is to identify stations who are acting as DQRMers and use legal means to stop this behavior" is illogical, without basis and merit, and unenforceable. What court of law would such a case be heard in? What defense and due process does a 'falsely accused' have? What are the legal ramifications upon the accuser of unfounded false or erroneously made allegations? Dave, K1FKFort Kent, ME _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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If anyone wants to look at the antennas, the exact addresses of all the FCC HF DF sites are in this document: transition.fcc.gov/omd/contracts/pre-award/RFQ1124.pdf Type the address, city, and state of the FCC site you want to examine into Google Maps and zoom in. There is much more information in the Google search I suggested. 73, Mike www.w0btu.com On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Mike Waters wrote: > I didn't see the ARRL article, but I have researched this on the Web. Type > these words into Google: > > fcc hf df > > The first hit is a map of where they all are. Most are unmanned. They are > all linked to a single manned command center. > > I'm not certain what type of antennas they use. I studied the satellite > images, but all I could make out were the antenna support structures. It > looked like V-beams to me, but I'm not sure. > > 73, Mike > www.w0btu.com > > On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 1:18 PM, wrote: > >> IIRC, quite some years ago, QST had a photo & description of a FCC >> "signal locator" (for lack of a better description) consisting of several >> remote receivers that were linked together. >> >> Anyway, these could instantly locate the origin of a skywave signal with >> a resolution of a city block(!!) using a precise timing equipment/technique. >> > > _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project
I didn't see the ARRL article, but I have researched this on the Web. Type these words into Google: fcc hf df The first hit is a map of where they all are. Most are unmanned. They are all linked to a single manned command center. I'm not certain what type of antennas they use. I studied the satellite images, but all I could make out were the antenna support structures. It looked like V-beams to me, but I'm not sure. 73, Mike www.w0btu.com On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 1:18 PM, wrote: > IIRC, quite some years ago, QST had a photo & description of a FCC "signal > locator" (for lack of a better description) consisting of several remote > receivers that were linked together. > > Anyway, these could instantly locate the origin of a skywave signal with a > resolution of a city block(!!) using a precise timing equipment/technique. > _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project
A couple of observations; The DQRM with EP6T was by far the worst I have ever heard. My guess is a lot of it was because of angry people who did not like Iran as the DX location. If that is correct, I suspect the next P5 operation will be as bad if this isn't corrected somewhat. I am always surprised at the amount of geographic DQRM as in EU vs NA crying when the other is being called, on the air bickering is stupidity incarnate. Nobody wins and it only serves as a damper to fun and camaraderie. Zero winners possible with this one. I personally think the JA's are the best behaved group out there at this time. K1N was QRX and some of the QRMers started chatting amongst themselves on the Tx freq & one said something almost verbatim: "OK, everybody, key down at the same time". There came a few bits of DQRM but nothing like a group venture. Still, that is the impetus for much of the DQRM, if others like him had been listening, they would have joined in just because of the gang mentality. Feeding off each other is what they do. I don't think these guys are much part of a group that knows each other, they just work together as individuals with a common goal to cause dismay and anger. If some of them are knocked out by the FCC it will help tremendously but it won't be the gang that passes the message of being caught to fellow members, that warning will have to come from hams in forums and on the air making those court judgments known & who was judged guilty and why. I doubt these misanthropes read the actions of the FCC & the courts court in magazines or on line, I personally doubt they are well read. more of my 2 cents, 73, Gary KA1J --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project
Amen! 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Doug Renwick Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 2:34 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project A poster on the cluster said it the best: DQRM triangulation = nonsense idea! There is no way this is going to identify the offending station(s). IMO at best a bluff. Doug -Original Message- Is anyone using this DQRM Tracking Project report? They want reports of deliberate QRM like 'tuner uppers' and other types, but not QRMers like cops or 'no splitters'. I don't know how accurate they can be to identify the guilty station on any band especially 160m with or without a directional antenna. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project
I don't remember the article, Charlie, but that's a fabulous idea, and at first blush it doesn't sound all that hard to implement. One way might be to set up three receivers at different locations, each with a 10 MHz GPS or rubidium time base (both inexpensive and readily available.). For each receiver, a simple frequency divider could produce a pulse every 100 milliseconds from the time base. The pulse would trigger a frequency counter, which would then count the elapsed time from the ttrigger pulse until the DQRM signal started transmitting (or stopped transmitting - doesn't matter which). Once the differences in elapsed times were known between the three receivers, the DQRM signal could be accurately triangulated. Sounds ike a fun project. Sure wish we'd had something like that for the Navassa DQRM jerks. 73, Jim W8ZR > -Original Message- > From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of n0...@juno.com > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 12:18 PM > To: topband@contesting.com > Subject: Re: Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project > > IIRC, quite some years ago, QST had a photo & description of > a FCC "signal locator" (for lack of a better description) consisting > of several remote receivers that were linked together. > > Anyway, these could instantly locate the origin of a > skywave signal with a resolution of a city block(!!) using a > precise timing equipment/technique. > > I looked for the article using the ARRL's periodical search...no luck. > Does anyone remember reading/seeing that article...perhaps in the > "Strays" column of QST? > > Charlie, N0TT > > On Sat, 7 Feb 2015 17:05:04 -0600 "Doug Renwick" > writes: > > Is anyone using this DQRM Tracking Project report? They want reports > > of > > deliberate QRM like 'tuner uppers' and other types, but not QRMers > > like cops > > or 'no splitters'. I don't know how accurate they can be to > > identify the > > guilty station on any band especially 160m with or without a > > directional > > antenna. > > See below: > > > > > > THE DQRM TRACKING PROJECT ---> Recently, the amount and intensity > > of DQRM > > (Deliberate QRM) has been growing logarithmically, targeting > > DXpeditions > > all over the world. DQRMers attempt to spoil communications and > > disrupt the > > joy of chasing DX. Without going into the motivation of DQRMers, > > the DX > > Community is taking steps to eliminate this practice. > > The KP1-5 Project, which is producing the 2015 K1N Navassa > > DXpedition, has > > been working with tele-communications agencies around the > > world. The > > objective is to identify stations who are acting as DQRMers and > > use legal > > means to stop this behaviour. The technology is in hand to > > solve this > > problem and, with your assistance, we can stop this blight that is > > hurting > > hams worldwide. > > HOW IT WORKS: Locating the stations engaging in DQRM is a > > matter of > > triangulation. When the DQRMer is 60db over S9 at your location, you > > can be > > pretty sure that station is nearby. If you fill out the > > form at > > www.dqrmreport.com, the data will be collected and analyzed to > > produce a > > reasonably accurate map of the DQRMer's location. This data will > > allow a > > close-in search in the DQRMer's area and, using local transmitter > > hunting > > devices, the offender will be identified. This is a real-time system > > that's > > been in development for several years; its first major test will > > be the > > 2015 K1N Navassa DXpedition. > > WHAT YOU DO: Fill out the form with as much information as you can > > provide. > > All information will remain confidential. The form will go into a > > database > > and the DQRM Project software will do the rest. We can stop DQRM - > > and you > > can help! > > > > Doug > > > > "There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual or lawyer > > could > > believe them." - George Orwell, 1984 > > > > > > > > --- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus > > software. > > http://www.avast.com > > > > _ > > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > > > > > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project
A poster on the cluster said it the best: DQRM triangulation = nonsense idea! There is no way this is going to identify the offending station(s). IMO at best a bluff. Doug -Original Message- Is anyone using this DQRM Tracking Project report? They want reports of deliberate QRM like 'tuner uppers' and other types, but not QRMers like cops or 'no splitters'. I don't know how accurate they can be to identify the guilty station on any band especially 160m with or without a directional antenna. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project
IIRC, quite some years ago, QST had a photo & description of a FCC "signal locator" (for lack of a better description) consisting of several remote receivers that were linked together. Anyway, these could instantly locate the origin of a skywave signal with a resolution of a city block(!!) using a precise timing equipment/technique. I looked for the article using the ARRL's periodical search...no luck. Does anyone remember reading/seeing that article...perhaps in the "Strays" column of QST? Charlie, N0TT On Sat, 7 Feb 2015 17:05:04 -0600 "Doug Renwick" writes: > Is anyone using this DQRM Tracking Project report? They want reports > of > deliberate QRM like 'tuner uppers' and other types, but not QRMers > like cops > or 'no splitters'. I don't know how accurate they can be to > identify the > guilty station on any band especially 160m with or without a > directional > antenna. > See below: > > > THE DQRM TRACKING PROJECT ---> Recently, the amount and intensity > of DQRM > (Deliberate QRM) has been growing logarithmically, targeting > DXpeditions > all over the world. DQRMers attempt to spoil communications and > disrupt the > joy of chasing DX. Without going into the motivation of DQRMers, > the DX > Community is taking steps to eliminate this practice. > The KP1-5 Project, which is producing the 2015 K1N Navassa > DXpedition, has > been working with tele-communications agencies around the > world. The > objective is to identify stations who are acting as DQRMers and > use legal > means to stop this behaviour. The technology is in hand to > solve this > problem and, with your assistance, we can stop this blight that is > hurting > hams worldwide. > HOW IT WORKS: Locating the stations engaging in DQRM is a > matter of > triangulation. When the DQRMer is 60db over S9 at your location, you > can be > pretty sure that station is nearby. If you fill out the > form at > www.dqrmreport.com, the data will be collected and analyzed to > produce a > reasonably accurate map of the DQRMer's location. This data will > allow a > close-in search in the DQRMer's area and, using local transmitter > hunting > devices, the offender will be identified. This is a real-time system > that's > been in development for several years; its first major test will > be the > 2015 K1N Navassa DXpedition. > WHAT YOU DO: Fill out the form with as much information as you can > provide. > All information will remain confidential. The form will go into a > database > and the DQRM Project software will do the rest. We can stop DQRM - > and you > can help! > > Doug > > "There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual or lawyer > could > believe them." - George Orwell, 1984 > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus > software. > http://www.avast.com > > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project
I think the fact that something positive is being done is working, even if it is electrically futile it is definately putting some DQRM'ers off, the DQRM has been noticeably less and with K1N ops and others reminding the offenders that something is happening is a plus. The triangulation would only really work if the reports are simultaneous with vertical antennas of the same gain and calibrated receivers, otherwise beam headings, propagation etc come into play. Thankfully most of the troublemakers are probably at the lower end of the intelligence scale so do not realise the problems. Maybe one or two high profile prosecutions will discourage some too. Anyway, if it reduces just a few every time it is a positive move. The K1N ops are doing a brilliant job in the given conditions, well done to them.73, Max M0GHQ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log
On Sat,2/7/2015 11:01 AM, Doug Renwick wrote: No, the very sad thing is that someone would publically post such a condescending remark about his fellow amateurs, calling them all stupid. Steve's comments are right on. Jim, K9YC _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project
Strength is useless unless he is a local. We have been dealing with one for years, but he preferred to harass SSB ops on 20. The FCC issued a $22,000 NAL last year. Maybe that will shut him up. On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 11:58 PM, Tom W8JI wrote: > It would be nice to set something like this up that works, but it would > take more than just how loud someone is. > > Strength alone is pretty much useless. > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project
It would be nice to set something like this up that works, but it would take more than just how loud someone is. Strength alone is pretty much useless. _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project
I am waiting for the reverse DQRM project; the one that will deal guys who are deliberately QRM'ing MY signal when I am trying to call the DX station ! They know that is my frequency to use and they call him anyway. Tod, K0TO Sent from my iPad air > On Feb 7, 2015, at 4:34 PM, Charlie Cunningham > wrote: > > I haven't bothered with it, Doug. I see it mostly as an "exercise in > futility". The "cops" never ID, and the MOST TROUBLESOME QRM is from > "packet-rats" seeing the spots and then tuning up interminably on to he DX > QRG - of course they never ID either - and they are too lazy and > inconsiderate to move off the DX QRG to tune up!! :( > > 73, > Charlie, K4OTV > > -Original Message- > From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Doug > Renwick > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 6:05 PM > To: topband@contesting.com > Subject: Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project > > Is anyone using this DQRM Tracking Project report? They want reports of > deliberate QRM like 'tuner uppers' and other types, but not QRMers like cops > or 'no splitters'. I don't know how accurate they can be to identify the > guilty station on any band especially 160m with or without a directional > antenna. > See below: > > > THE DQRM TRACKING PROJECT ---> Recently, the amount and intensity of DQRM > (Deliberate QRM) has been growing logarithmically, targeting DXpeditions > all over the world. DQRMers attempt to spoil communications and disrupt the > joy of chasing DX. Without going into the motivation of DQRMers, the DX > Community is taking steps to eliminate this practice. > The KP1-5 Project, which is producing the 2015 K1N Navassa DXpedition, has > been working with tele-communications agencies around the world. The > objective is to identify stations who are acting as DQRMers and use legal > means to stop this behaviour. The technology is in hand to solve this > problem and, with your assistance, we can stop this blight that is hurting > hams worldwide. > HOW IT WORKS: Locating the stations engaging in DQRM is a matter of > triangulation. When the DQRMer is 60db over S9 at your location, you can be > pretty sure that station is nearby. If you fill out the form at > www.dqrmreport.com, the data will be collected and analyzed to produce a > reasonably accurate map of the DQRMer's location. This data will allow a > close-in search in the DQRMer's area and, using local transmitter hunting > devices, the offender will be identified. This is a real-time system that's > been in development for several years; its first major test will be the > 2015 K1N Navassa DXpedition. > WHAT YOU DO: Fill out the form with as much information as you can provide. > All information will remain confidential. The form will go into a database > and the DQRM Project software will do the rest. We can stop DQRM - and you > can help! > > Doug > > "There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual or lawyer could > believe them." - George Orwell, 1984 > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project
I haven't bothered with it, Doug. I see it mostly as an "exercise in futility". The "cops" never ID, and the MOST TROUBLESOME QRM is from "packet-rats" seeing the spots and then tuning up interminably on to he DX QRG - of course they never ID either - and they are too lazy and inconsiderate to move off the DX QRG to tune up!! :( 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Doug Renwick Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 6:05 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project Is anyone using this DQRM Tracking Project report? They want reports of deliberate QRM like 'tuner uppers' and other types, but not QRMers like cops or 'no splitters'. I don't know how accurate they can be to identify the guilty station on any band especially 160m with or without a directional antenna. See below: THE DQRM TRACKING PROJECT ---> Recently, the amount and intensity of DQRM (Deliberate QRM) has been growing logarithmically, targeting DXpeditions all over the world. DQRMers attempt to spoil communications and disrupt the joy of chasing DX. Without going into the motivation of DQRMers, the DX Community is taking steps to eliminate this practice. The KP1-5 Project, which is producing the 2015 K1N Navassa DXpedition, has been working with tele-communications agencies around the world. The objective is to identify stations who are acting as DQRMers and use legal means to stop this behaviour. The technology is in hand to solve this problem and, with your assistance, we can stop this blight that is hurting hams worldwide. HOW IT WORKS: Locating the stations engaging in DQRM is a matter of triangulation. When the DQRMer is 60db over S9 at your location, you can be pretty sure that station is nearby. If you fill out the form at www.dqrmreport.com, the data will be collected and analyzed to produce a reasonably accurate map of the DQRMer's location. This data will allow a close-in search in the DQRMer's area and, using local transmitter hunting devices, the offender will be identified. This is a real-time system that's been in development for several years; its first major test will be the 2015 K1N Navassa DXpedition. WHAT YOU DO: Fill out the form with as much information as you can provide. All information will remain confidential. The form will go into a database and the DQRM Project software will do the rest. We can stop DQRM - and you can help! Doug "There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual or lawyer could believe them." - George Orwell, 1984 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N what time are they QRV on top?
They were very loud at 0100Z here today (last night). They were on 1817.5, QSX up. GL to all... 73, Stew K3ND _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Topband: K1N DQRM Tracking Project
Is anyone using this DQRM Tracking Project report? They want reports of deliberate QRM like 'tuner uppers' and other types, but not QRMers like cops or 'no splitters'. I don't know how accurate they can be to identify the guilty station on any band especially 160m with or without a directional antenna. See below: THE DQRM TRACKING PROJECT ---> Recently, the amount and intensity of DQRM (Deliberate QRM) has been growing logarithmically, targeting DXpeditions all over the world. DQRMers attempt to spoil communications and disrupt the joy of chasing DX. Without going into the motivation of DQRMers, the DX Community is taking steps to eliminate this practice. The KP1-5 Project, which is producing the 2015 K1N Navassa DXpedition, has been working with tele-communications agencies around the world. The objective is to identify stations who are acting as DQRMers and use legal means to stop this behaviour. The technology is in hand to solve this problem and, with your assistance, we can stop this blight that is hurting hams worldwide. HOW IT WORKS: Locating the stations engaging in DQRM is a matter of triangulation. When the DQRMer is 60db over S9 at your location, you can be pretty sure that station is nearby. If you fill out the form at www.dqrmreport.com, the data will be collected and analyzed to produce a reasonably accurate map of the DQRMer's location. This data will allow a close-in search in the DQRMer's area and, using local transmitter hunting devices, the offender will be identified. This is a real-time system that's been in development for several years; its first major test will be the 2015 K1N Navassa DXpedition. WHAT YOU DO: Fill out the form with as much information as you can provide. All information will remain confidential. The form will go into a database and the DQRM Project software will do the rest. We can stop DQRM - and you can help! Doug "There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual or lawyer could believe them." - George Orwell, 1984 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log
I am surprised no one has replied. Maybe they are all in shock with disbelief. No, the very sad thing is that someone would publically post such a condescending remark about his fellow amateurs, calling them all stupid. Doug -Original Message- The overreaction here on Topband was unbelievable. Very sad for a bunch of folks I used to think had some intelligence. 73, Steve, N2IC --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log
Charlie, that's my point. The people who keep calling in the pile are AWARE that they may not have a QSO, that's why they keep calling. With all the intentional QRM on K1N, it's possible they were never even aware that K1N returned to them! And that can lead to "accidental" dupes not the fault of K1N or the calling station. But the original subject (see subject line in header) was people thinking they had to re-work them because they were not or at least no longer in the Clublog ummm... errr... log. Personally, I took it on faith that if the pilots said the log on the island was fine and never in jeopardy and it was just a Clublog issue, I need not worry and I certainly didn't rework them. Some didn't feel as confident and decided upon "safety contacts". But from what I saw here, no one questioned whether their contact was good in the first place, just whether it was still in the K1N log. BTW, with all due respect, the "simple procedures" you mentioned below are fine for casual DXing, but in DXpedition pileups, its: (K1N): K3OX 5NN (K3OX): 5NN (K1N): TU You would make mucho people (including possibly the op on the Dxpedition) very unhappy if everyone went: (K1N): K3OX 5NN (K3OX): K1N DE K3OX TU 5NN BK (K1N): K3OX QSL TU DE K1N UP (K3OX): TU Dit Dit It's a trade off between absolute certainty and speed, getting more calls in the log. Maybe an unacceptable trade-off to you, but I suspect not to the majority of ops in Contest/DXpedition scenarios. Best, Kevin K3OX - Original Message - From: "Charlie Cunningham" To: kol...@rcn.com, topband@contesting.com Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 3:06:46 AM Subject: RE: Topband: K1N On Line Log And another more important point, Kevin in the case of such a massive need as K1N. Several of the operators were complaining about the number of "dupes" in the logs. That's caused by guys not knowing if they had a good QSO and just continuing to call. I Tune around in the CW pileups a LOT to find where the stations are calling that the DX is working and to find a slot where I can insert my call. I have personally heard a number of guys that were worked by K1N and went right on calling in the pile because they simply didn't know they had worked them!! What's wrong with that picture?? In those cases the operators just weren’t adept enough to enact the simple procedures that I outlined, and they just continued to add to the pandemonium in the pile-up and making things more difficult for everyone! That just adds to the QRM and slows everyone down!! 73.l Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of kol...@rcn.com Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 1:36 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log Charlie, I don't think many here "didn't know" if they made a contact or not. The question was if K1N had "lost" their QSO from the computer log. No matter how sure you are you made the contact, if it's not in their computer log, for whatever reason, it can't be confirmed. Kevin K3OX - Original Message - From: "Charlie Cunningham" To: "Eddy Swynar" , topband@contesting.com Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 12:46:02 AM Subject: Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log Well, we did survive just fine, Eddy and lots of folks mad the Honor Roll, 5BDXCC etc.. All this nonsense about the online logs is just so much Bull!!! Can all be avoided if folks would do the following:\ 1.0 COPY your own call!!! No guesswork, no fragments, no bluffing etc. 2.0 Copy your report 3.0 Reply with your call, followed by an acknowledgement of DX Station Report (TU or thanks) and Send report to DX station followed (or preceded) by "Thanks" or TU 4.0 LISTEN for the DX operator to acknowledge your report 5.0 Thanks or TU -or even dit-dit Do those things completely and there won't be much guessing or wondering if you had a legitimate QSO that's logged!! We may have to have some patience and perseverance to work through the jammers, and QRM and the packet-rats tuning up on the DX QRG! It may be reassuring to see the online logs, but we should KNOW if we had a good contact or not! WITHOUT a computer to tell us we did!! I KNEW that my 7 QSOs with K1N were there BEFORE the logs came out! And NO DUPES or "INSURANCE CONTACTS"! Just my $0.02. 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Eddy Swynar Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 3:17 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log How did we EVER collectively survive the dark ages of hardcopy QSL cards, s.a.s.e.'s, QSL bureau
Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log
The only thing that was temporarily "lost" was the information on Clublog. That was done intentionally by the team to fix an issue with 10 MHz RTTY QSO's not being sent correctly to Clublog. The team cleared out Clublog, and then re-uploaded all of the QSO's to Clublog with the correct band/mode. There was never any danger of losing the actual log, which is being stored in multiple different formats and media on the island. The overreaction here on Topband was unbelievable. Very sad for a bunch of folks I used to think had some intelligence. 73, Steve, N2IC On 02/07/2015 12:51 AM, Charlie Cunningham wrote: By the way, Kevin it's one thing, if, as happened with K1N, that QSOs appeared in the log and then disappeared! - THAT's DATA-LOSS! But an awful lot of guys were waiting anxiously to see if they had a "good" QSO that never appeared in the online logs! That's another matter entirely, that depends on the operator. That's the one I had intended to address! 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of kol...@rcn.com Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 1:36 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log Charlie, I don't think many here "didn't know" if they made a contact or not. The question was if K1N had "lost" their QSO from the computer log. No matter how sure you are you made the contact, if it's not in their computer log, for whatever reason, it can't be confirmed. Kevin K3OX - Original Message - From: "Charlie Cunningham" To: "Eddy Swynar" , topband@contesting.com Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 12:46:02 AM Subject: Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log Well, we did survive just fine, Eddy and lots of folks mad the Honor Roll, 5BDXCC etc.. All this nonsense about the online logs is just so much Bull!!! Can all be avoided if folks would do the following:\ 1.0COPY your own call!!! No guesswork, no fragments, no bluffing etc. 2.0 Copy your report 3.0Reply with your call, followed by an acknowledgement of DX Station Report (TU or thanks) and Send report to DX station followed (or preceded) by "Thanks" or TU 4.0LISTEN for the DX operator to acknowledge your report 5.0 Thanks or TU -or even dit-dit Do those things completely and there won't be much guessing or wondering if you had a legitimate QSO that's logged!! We may have to have some patience and perseverance to work through the jammers, and QRM and the packet-rats tuning up on the DX QRG! It may be reassuring to see the online logs, but we should KNOW if we had a good contact or not! WITHOUT a computer to tell us we did!! I KNEW that my 7 QSOs with K1N were there BEFORE the logs came out! And NO DUPES or "INSURANCE CONTACTS"!Just my $0.02. 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Eddy Swynar Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 3:17 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log How did we EVER collectively survive the dark ages of hardcopy QSL cards, s.a.s.e.'s, QSL bureaus, DX news sheets, and I.R.C.s, I wonder...? Is everyone that impatient while attempting to WORK a rare station, too...? All this angst and trepidation being displayed here...! I thought DX'ing, Ham radio, & Topband were all supposed to be FUN, and not a hand-wringing exercise in anger & worry management... ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband . _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N what time are they QRV on top?
Thanks everyone for your advice on times. I had not been paying attn. at all this week due to work & home responsibilities. I tried late last evening and although they were an honest S9 here, the p/u was fierce. When they started calling for EU, I went to bed. Tried @ 4am, but they were not QRV. At 7am local, I was most fortunate to get them on 160-80 then 40 inside 10 minutes. Almost too easy (oops, did I say that?) I’ll pay for that I am sure….. ;-) hi Awesome operators and honestly awesome signals on all bands I’ve heard them on. Shame that QRM follows them around. Cheers, Mike VE9AA, dit dit Mike, Coreen & Corey Keswick Ridge, NB From: Tom Haavisto [mailto:kamha...@gmail.com] Sent: February 6, 2015 7:55 PM To: Mike & Coreen Smith VE9AA Subject: Re: Topband: K1N what time are they QRV on top? Hi Mike Good time to catch them is after EU sunrise - say around 3-4 A.M. your time. I worked them the other morning - one call :-) Tom - VE3CX On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Mike & Coreen Smith VE9AA wrote: OK, finally, Friday has arrived and although I have a new one on 14MHz from the car (on my way to work) , I don't yet have it on TOP. My house radio has been off since the SSB Sprint. Are they following any kind of schedule for 160m? What time would be a good time to get on from the East Coast of NA? Thanks all GL in the fray. Mike VE9AA Mike, Coreen & Corey Keswick Ridge, NB _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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Hi Charlie and gang, It is not that simple and I am a guilty party of early on dupes on 160 meters with K1N because of the following. Early on 160 meters the jamming was horrible so it was impossible to hear the confirmation. Early on K1N was responding so fast that they were beating my cw break in even though I have it just set so it does not drop out when sending my call to prevent weak dots (I have a lot of dots), and impossible to hear the front of my call so could not tell if they had it right. Early on sounded like they we using paddles going way too fast for conditions (and making sending mistakes) and/or had amp keying problems which made it sound like busted calls, and without clublog no way of knowing you were good in the log (not a busted call). I had discussions early on with the pilot station (first time in 38 years I had ever contacted a pilot station) about some of the above topics because I felt horrible that I was going to attempt another contact on 160 meters due to the above issues. Things have since improved and they are doing great. What I learned as a w1aw/9 op was that sending speed much above 26 to 28 wpm was not really much of a time saver, repeating a stations call twice often helped the other station know I had his call good, and sending the stations call twice also made the band go silent by others because they could hear exactly who I was responding because folks with longer calls or slower sending speeds would still be sending otherwise during my response to a station and they were clueless about my sending/response status. I again apologize for being a dupe in the K1N log (only on 160 meters), it was just due to "perfect storm conditions" mentioned above and the fact that my call is just so dang tough for folks to copy. Sorry and 73, Don (wd8dsb) On Saturday, February 7, 2015, Charlie Cunningham < charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com> wrote: > And another more important point, Kevin in the case of such a massive need > as K1N. Several of the operators were complaining about the number of > "dupes" in the logs. That's caused by guys not knowing if they had a good > QSO and just continuing to call. I Tune around in the CW pileups a LOT to > find where the stations are calling that the DX is working and to find a > slot where I can insert my call. I have personally heard a number of guys > that were worked by K1N and went right on calling in the pile because they > simply didn't know they had worked them!! What's wrong with that picture?? > In those cases the operators just weren’t adept enough to enact the simple > procedures that I outlined, and they just continued to add to the > pandemonium in the pile-up and making things more difficult for everyone! > That just adds to the QRM and slows everyone down!! > > 73.l > Charlie, K4OTV > > > > -Original Message- > From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com ] On > Behalf Of kol...@rcn.com > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 1:36 AM > To: topband@contesting.com > Subject: Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log > > > Charlie, I don't think many here "didn't know" if they made a contact or > not. The question was if K1N had "lost" their QSO from the computer log. > No matter how sure you are you made the contact, if it's not in their > computer log, for whatever reason, it can't be confirmed. > > Kevin K3OX > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Charlie Cunningham" > > To: "Eddy Swynar" >, > topband@contesting.com > Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 12:46:02 AM > Subject: Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log > > Well, we did survive just fine, Eddy and lots of folks mad the Honor Roll, > 5BDXCC etc.. > > All this nonsense about the online logs is just so much Bull!!! Can all be > avoided if folks would do the following:\ > > 1.0COPY your own call!!! No guesswork, no fragments, no bluffing > etc. > > 2.0 Copy your report > > 3.0Reply with your call, followed by an acknowledgement of DX > Station > Report (TU or thanks) and Send report to DX station followed (or preceded) > by "Thanks" or TU > > 4.0LISTEN for the DX operator to acknowledge your report > > 5.0 Thanks or TU -or even dit-dit > > Do those things completely and there won't be much guessing or wondering if > you had a legitimate QSO that's logged!! We may have to have some patience > and perseverance to work through the jammers, and QRM and the packet-rats > tuning up on the DX QRG! > > It may be reassuring to see the online logs, but we should KNOW if we had a > good contact or not! WITHOUT a computer to tell us we did!! > > I KNEW that my 7 QSOs with K1N were there BEFORE th
Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log
And another more important point, Kevin in the case of such a massive need as K1N. Several of the operators were complaining about the number of "dupes" in the logs. That's caused by guys not knowing if they had a good QSO and just continuing to call. I Tune around in the CW pileups a LOT to find where the stations are calling that the DX is working and to find a slot where I can insert my call. I have personally heard a number of guys that were worked by K1N and went right on calling in the pile because they simply didn't know they had worked them!! What's wrong with that picture?? In those cases the operators just weren’t adept enough to enact the simple procedures that I outlined, and they just continued to add to the pandemonium in the pile-up and making things more difficult for everyone! That just adds to the QRM and slows everyone down!! 73.l Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of kol...@rcn.com Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 1:36 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log Charlie, I don't think many here "didn't know" if they made a contact or not. The question was if K1N had "lost" their QSO from the computer log. No matter how sure you are you made the contact, if it's not in their computer log, for whatever reason, it can't be confirmed. Kevin K3OX - Original Message - From: "Charlie Cunningham" To: "Eddy Swynar" , topband@contesting.com Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 12:46:02 AM Subject: Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log Well, we did survive just fine, Eddy and lots of folks mad the Honor Roll, 5BDXCC etc.. All this nonsense about the online logs is just so much Bull!!! Can all be avoided if folks would do the following:\ 1.0COPY your own call!!! No guesswork, no fragments, no bluffing etc. 2.0 Copy your report 3.0Reply with your call, followed by an acknowledgement of DX Station Report (TU or thanks) and Send report to DX station followed (or preceded) by "Thanks" or TU 4.0LISTEN for the DX operator to acknowledge your report 5.0 Thanks or TU -or even dit-dit Do those things completely and there won't be much guessing or wondering if you had a legitimate QSO that's logged!! We may have to have some patience and perseverance to work through the jammers, and QRM and the packet-rats tuning up on the DX QRG! It may be reassuring to see the online logs, but we should KNOW if we had a good contact or not! WITHOUT a computer to tell us we did!! I KNEW that my 7 QSOs with K1N were there BEFORE the logs came out! And NO DUPES or "INSURANCE CONTACTS"!Just my $0.02. 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Eddy Swynar Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 3:17 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log How did we EVER collectively survive the dark ages of hardcopy QSL cards, s.a.s.e.'s, QSL bureaus, DX news sheets, and I.R.C.s, I wonder...? Is everyone that impatient while attempting to WORK a rare station, too...? All this angst and trepidation being displayed here...! I thought DX'ing, Ham radio, & Topband were all supposed to be FUN, and not a hand-wringing exercise in anger & worry management... ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log
By the way, Kevin it's one thing, if, as happened with K1N, that QSOs appeared in the log and then disappeared! - THAT's DATA-LOSS! But an awful lot of guys were waiting anxiously to see if they had a "good" QSO that never appeared in the online logs! That's another matter entirely, that depends on the operator. That's the one I had intended to address! 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of kol...@rcn.com Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 1:36 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log Charlie, I don't think many here "didn't know" if they made a contact or not. The question was if K1N had "lost" their QSO from the computer log. No matter how sure you are you made the contact, if it's not in their computer log, for whatever reason, it can't be confirmed. Kevin K3OX - Original Message - From: "Charlie Cunningham" To: "Eddy Swynar" , topband@contesting.com Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 12:46:02 AM Subject: Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log Well, we did survive just fine, Eddy and lots of folks mad the Honor Roll, 5BDXCC etc.. All this nonsense about the online logs is just so much Bull!!! Can all be avoided if folks would do the following:\ 1.0COPY your own call!!! No guesswork, no fragments, no bluffing etc. 2.0 Copy your report 3.0Reply with your call, followed by an acknowledgement of DX Station Report (TU or thanks) and Send report to DX station followed (or preceded) by "Thanks" or TU 4.0LISTEN for the DX operator to acknowledge your report 5.0 Thanks or TU -or even dit-dit Do those things completely and there won't be much guessing or wondering if you had a legitimate QSO that's logged!! We may have to have some patience and perseverance to work through the jammers, and QRM and the packet-rats tuning up on the DX QRG! It may be reassuring to see the online logs, but we should KNOW if we had a good contact or not! WITHOUT a computer to tell us we did!! I KNEW that my 7 QSOs with K1N were there BEFORE the logs came out! And NO DUPES or "INSURANCE CONTACTS"!Just my $0.02. 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Eddy Swynar Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 3:17 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log How did we EVER collectively survive the dark ages of hardcopy QSL cards, s.a.s.e.'s, QSL bureaus, DX news sheets, and I.R.C.s, I wonder...? Is everyone that impatient while attempting to WORK a rare station, too...? All this angst and trepidation being displayed here...! I thought DX'ing, Ham radio, & Topband were all supposed to be FUN, and not a hand-wringing exercise in anger & worry management... ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log
Charlie, I don't think many here "didn't know" if they made a contact or not. The question was if K1N had "lost" their QSO from the computer log. No matter how sure you are you made the contact, if it's not in their computer log, for whatever reason, it can't be confirmed. Kevin K3OX - Original Message - From: "Charlie Cunningham" To: "Eddy Swynar" , topband@contesting.com Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 12:46:02 AM Subject: Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log Well, we did survive just fine, Eddy and lots of folks mad the Honor Roll, 5BDXCC etc.. All this nonsense about the online logs is just so much Bull!!! Can all be avoided if folks would do the following:\ 1.0COPY your own call!!! No guesswork, no fragments, no bluffing etc. 2.0 Copy your report 3.0Reply with your call, followed by an acknowledgement of DX Station Report (TU or thanks) and Send report to DX station followed (or preceded) by "Thanks" or TU 4.0LISTEN for the DX operator to acknowledge your report 5.0 Thanks or TU -or even dit-dit Do those things completely and there won't be much guessing or wondering if you had a legitimate QSO that's logged!! We may have to have some patience and perseverance to work through the jammers, and QRM and the packet-rats tuning up on the DX QRG! It may be reassuring to see the online logs, but we should KNOW if we had a good contact or not! WITHOUT a computer to tell us we did!! I KNEW that my 7 QSOs with K1N were there BEFORE the logs came out! And NO DUPES or "INSURANCE CONTACTS"! Just my $0.02. 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Eddy Swynar Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 3:17 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log How did we EVER collectively survive the dark ages of hardcopy QSL cards, s.a.s.e.'s, QSL bureaus, DX news sheets, and I.R.C.s, I wonder...? Is everyone that impatient while attempting to WORK a rare station, too...? All this angst and trepidation being displayed here...! I thought DX'ing, Ham radio, & Topband were all supposed to be FUN, and not a hand-wringing exercise in anger & worry management... ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log
Well, we did survive just fine, Eddy and lots of folks mad the Honor Roll, 5BDXCC etc.. All this nonsense about the online logs is just so much Bull!!! Can all be avoided if folks would do the following:\ 1.0 COPY your own call!!! No guesswork, no fragments, no bluffing etc. 2.0 Copy your report 3.0 Reply with your call, followed by an acknowledgement of DX Station Report (TU or thanks) and Send report to DX station followed (or preceded) by "Thanks" or TU 4.0 LISTEN for the DX operator to acknowledge your report 5.0 Thanks or TU -or even dit-dit Do those things completely and there won't be much guessing or wondering if you had a legitimate QSO that's logged!! We may have to have some patience and perseverance to work through the jammers, and QRM and the packet-rats tuning up on the DX QRG! It may be reassuring to see the online logs, but we should KNOW if we had a good contact or not! WITHOUT a computer to tell us we did!! I KNEW that my 7 QSOs with K1N were there BEFORE the logs came out! And NO DUPES or "INSURANCE CONTACTS"!Just my $0.02. 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Eddy Swynar Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 3:17 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log How did we EVER collectively survive the dark ages of hardcopy QSL cards, s.a.s.e.'s, QSL bureaus, DX news sheets, and I.R.C.s, I wonder...? Is everyone that impatient while attempting to WORK a rare station, too...? All this angst and trepidation being displayed here...! I thought DX'ing, Ham radio, & Topband were all supposed to be FUN, and not a hand-wringing exercise in anger & worry management... ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N what time are they QRV on top?
Thanks Herb! I am pilot for Asia myself. :) Guys on Island doing their best! I am sure they will start lsn to Asia and Europe soon. We can't dream for better Topband team which is the island now. We just hope that 160 m will be as good as today in following days! I can copy them daily 0200-0230Z when they are ON. But today their signal was very special. Regards, Nodir Tursun-Zade EY8MM http://www.ey8mm.com/ - Original Message - From: "Herbert Schoenbohm" To: Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 09:34 Subject: Re: Topband: K1N what time are they QRV on top? Nodir, Don't forget to let one of the pilots know of your TB reception from EY8 and your limited window . Tony, K2SG is very helpful as I am trying to get their attention on 28 Mhz backscatter which is a significant challenge. We are only 700 miles apart and skip will not do it but backscatter might as I was hearing K1N 559 by beaming to SA on 10 but of course I have no chance with the huge 40 over pile ups this way. Herb, KV4FZ On 2/7/2015 12:24 AM, Nodir Tursun-Zade wrote: Today K1N peaked 579 for 10 minutes on my SR 0220Z. No qso yet. Still too many customers from US and EU before they can pull out Asia signals. Regards, Nodir Tursun-Zade EY8MM http://www.ey8mm.com/ - Original Message - From: "Herbert Schoenbohm" To: Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 09:07 Subject: Re: Topband: K1N what time are they QRV on top? No not tonight but I worked them on their first night on 160 and again this morning when they were making many lonely CQ's. I was able to sign KV4FZ/QRP and they came right back. My point here is if they can hear 1 watt at about 700 miles on TB they are hearing very well in spite of the QRN and have a superb setup on 160 meters. _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N what time are they QRV on top?
Nodir, Don't forget to let one of the pilots know of your TB reception from EY8 and your limited window . Tony, K2SG is very helpful as I am trying to get their attention on 28 Mhz backscatter which is a significant challenge. We are only 700 miles apart and skip will not do it but backscatter might as I was hearing K1N 559 by beaming to SA on 10 but of course I have no chance with the huge 40 over pile ups this way. Herb, KV4FZ On 2/7/2015 12:24 AM, Nodir Tursun-Zade wrote: Today K1N peaked 579 for 10 minutes on my SR 0220Z. No qso yet. Still too many customers from US and EU before they can pull out Asia signals. Regards, Nodir Tursun-Zade EY8MM http://www.ey8mm.com/ - Original Message - From: "Herbert Schoenbohm" To: Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 09:07 Subject: Re: Topband: K1N what time are they QRV on top? No not tonight but I worked them on their first night on 160 and again this morning when they were making many lonely CQ's. I was able to sign KV4FZ/QRP and they came right back. My point here is if they can hear 1 watt at about 700 miles on TB they are hearing very well in spite of the QRN and have a superb setup on 160 meters. _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N what time are they QRV on top?
Today K1N peaked 579 for 10 minutes on my SR 0220Z. No qso yet. Still too many customers from US and EU before they can pull out Asia signals. Regards, Nodir Tursun-Zade EY8MM http://www.ey8mm.com/ - Original Message - From: "Herbert Schoenbohm" To: Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 09:07 Subject: Re: Topband: K1N what time are they QRV on top? No not tonight but I worked them on their first night on 160 and again this morning when they were making many lonely CQ's. I was able to sign KV4FZ/QRP and they came right back. My point here is if they can hear 1 watt at about 700 miles on TB they are hearing very well in spite of the QRN and have a superb setup on 160 meters. _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N what time are they QRV on top?
No not tonight but I worked them on their first night on 160 and again this morning when they were making many lonely CQ's. I was able to sign KV4FZ/QRP and they came right back. My point here is if they can hear 1 watt at about 700 miles on TB they are hearing very well in spite of the QRN and have a superb setup on 160 meters. Herb, KV4FZ. On 2/6/2015 10:48 PM, Charlie Cunningham wrote: Hi, Herb Did you work K1N on 1817.5 this evening? 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Charlie Cunningham [mailto:charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 7:59 PM To: 'Herbert Schoenbohm'; 'topband@contesting.com' Subject: RE: Topband: K1N what time are they QRV on top? Right now, Herb. 1817.3 up a couple. 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Herbert Schoenbohm Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 5:41 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N what time are they QRV on top? They are normally very active on 160 from their local sunset to sunrise each day so far. Herb, KV4FZ On 2/6/2015 6:03 PM, Mike & Coreen Smith VE9AA wrote: OK, finally, Friday has arrived and although I have a new one on 14MHz from the car (on my way to work) , I don't yet have it on TOP. My house radio has been off since the SSB Sprint. Are they following any kind of schedule for 160m? What time would be a good time to get on from the East Coast of NA? Thanks all GL in the fray. Mike VE9AA Mike, Coreen & Corey Keswick Ridge, NB _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: K1N what time are they QRV on top?
Hi, Herb Did you work K1N on 1817.5 this evening? 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Charlie Cunningham [mailto:charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 7:59 PM To: 'Herbert Schoenbohm'; 'topband@contesting.com' Subject: RE: Topband: K1N what time are they QRV on top? Right now, Herb. 1817.3 up a couple. 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Herbert Schoenbohm Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 5:41 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: K1N what time are they QRV on top? They are normally very active on 160 from their local sunset to sunrise each day so far. Herb, KV4FZ On 2/6/2015 6:03 PM, Mike & Coreen Smith VE9AA wrote: > OK, finally, Friday has arrived and although I have a new one on 14MHz from > the car (on my way to work) , I don't yet have it on TOP. My house radio > has been off since the SSB Sprint. > > Are they following any kind of schedule for 160m? What time would be a good > time to get on from the East Coast of NA? > > > > Thanks all > > > > GL in the fray. > > > > Mike VE9AA > > > > Mike, Coreen & Corey > > Keswick Ridge, NB > > > > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
