Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Why does (digital out) sound quality differ between Touch and Duet?
mdm;553494 Wrote: To be exact the FLAC is not a bitstream. It is a container, like APE or WMA etc, which contains: header, metadata (tags) and compressed audio frames. Any Squeez decodes this containers - uncompressed audio frames into the bitstream and: *snip* So I believe that when talking about better sound of Touch they are meaning the quality of its internal DAC. Thanks for the info on the flac processing, interesting. I too thought the night and day type exclamations people have been making about the leap in sound quality must be due to better DAC processing within the Touch over earlier iterations. I'm struggling to believe that such a marked gain could be see when outputting the signal digitally, particularly if the causes are as discussed in the thread Peter linked to, namely reduced jitter and an improved s/pdif circuit. Sure these could well be worthwhile and audible improvements, but such a significant gain? I'm unconvinced (so far). -- Gruff Gruff's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79500 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Why does (digital out) sound quality differ between Touch and Duet?
Gruff;553496 Wrote: I'm struggling to believe that such a marked gain might be heard when outputting the signal digitally... Absolutely! I think that DacMagic produce exactly the same sound from either Duet or Touch. Unforunately its USB input is realy far from satisfying level, so that is why I can't put up with playing music directly from a PC via this DAC. -- mdm mdm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38528 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79500 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Why does (digital out) sound quality differ between Touch and Duet?
Gruff;553499 Wrote: Although the DacMagic does accept toslink optical in, which is a reasonably common digital output for pc soundcards. yeah, but the laptop I use is a business-model Lenovo T-something which has no s/pdif outs. -- mdm mdm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38528 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79500 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Why does (digital out) sound quality differ between Touch and Duet?
SuperQ;553493 Wrote: My vote is it's all in their head. There is a theoretical audibility of clock jitter (which is improved in the Touch). But nobody has been able to demonstrate this in any repeatable way that I'm aware of. An interesting point might be to put up a poll asking whether Touch owners believe that music sounds better via SPDIF when compared to previously using an SB3. Personally, I do believe that the Touch sounds better. If we assume that the data is accurate via both the Touch and SB3, that doesn't leave many explanations apart from jitter. -- Mr_Sukebe SB Touch, Meridian 568.2, Bel Canto Evo2i, Impulse Ta'us, Coherent system, audio-technica and Zanash cables, Stillpoints Mr_Sukebe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79500 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Why does (digital out) sound quality differ between Touch and Duet?
SuperQ;553493 Wrote: My vote is it's all in their head. There is a theoretical audibility of clock jitter (which is improved in the Touch). But nobody has been able to demonstrate this in any repeatable way that I'm aware of. It would be really interesting to put a Touch and a Duet in your system and use Audio DiffMaker (http://www.libinst.com/Audio%20DiffMaker.htm) to measure the analog output of your DACmagic. In theory there may be some difference, but DiffMaker will prove it. Not true. Lots of experienced listeners can identify low levels of jitter. I've personally been tested in a blind test and successfully identified levels of jitter between 15-30ns. I know of others who can identify differences even around 10ns. Differences of 100ns, which some people consider low, was easily identifiable, both by me and others. 2 Caveats: a)you need to know what to listen for, and be an experienced critical listener. Just like with many types of perception based comparisons, experience (I'd call it training your brain to properly interpret what you are hearing/seeing)makes a difference. b)a highly resolving system is also needed. On many systems the difference in SQ between identical tracks with different low levels of jitter won't be apparent. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Duet through Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-150 amp, MF V DAC3, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79500 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Why does (digital out) sound quality differ between Touch and Duet?
SuperQ;553493 Wrote: My vote is it's all in their head. There is a theoretical audibility of clock jitter (which is improved in the Touch). But nobody has been able to demonstrate this in any repeatable way that I'm aware of. It would be really interesting to put a Touch and a Duet in your system and use Audio DiffMaker (http://www.libinst.com/Audio%20DiffMaker.htm) to measure the analog output of your DACmagic. In theory there may be some difference, but DiffMaker will prove it. I think SuperQ makes a good point here, and DiffMaker would be a great way to test. I think that sometimes people can have a tendency to think a more recent equipment design must somehow be better in practice (sound better in this case) - and this underlying assumption can thus provide a source of bias, and a very convincing placebo effect... -- NewBuyer NewBuyer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7862 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79500 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Where can i get a touch in the u.s.?
Someone posted that the Touch is available from many other retailers besides Logitech and Amazon. Would someone please tell me who these other retailers are? I don't wish to buy it from a private seller because I want the protection of Logitech's warranty. I'm hoping to find it for less than full list price (can't remember when I paid MLP for electronics). Thanks in advance for your suggestions. -- iwannatouch iwannatouch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79507 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Where can i get a touch in the u.s.?
I think that's about it. If you want to see something interesting, do a Google search on Logitech's part number for the Touch: 930-74 You'll find a some links to online retailers, but except for Amazon they either say 'coming soon', 'no longer available', 'discontinued', or else the product page has been completely removed from the web site. It's looking more and more each day like the Touch isn't a real Logitech product, or else it is/was a very short-lived one. I hope a lot of people who have bought the Touch don't get burned when Logitech comes out with a newer version with more memory or else a completely redesigned Squeezebox that addresses some of the other shortcomings of the Touch. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79507 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Where can i get a touch in the u.s.?
What shortcommings are you referring to? Also, if what you say had even a hint of truth to it, then the Touch would not be selling for List price. -- Tony T Tony #63743; SBTouch #9834; SBRadio #9836; Tony T's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34544 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79507 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Where can i get a touch in the u.s.?
iwannatouch;553535 Wrote: I'm hoping to find it for less than full list price (can't remember when I paid MLP for electronics). Thanks in advance for your suggestions. Logitech runs promo discount codes. Search these forums. (I saved 25% when I bought a few battery packs for the SB Radio). -- Tony T Tony #63743; SBTouch #9834; SBRadio #9836; Tony T's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34544 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79507 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Where can i get a touch in the u.s.?
Tony T;553539 Wrote: What shortcommings are you referring to? Too little memory, anemic CPU, small screen, insufficient power to the USB port. Also, if what you say had even a hint of truth to it, then the Touch would not be selling for List price. Something is certainly unusual. Why does a manufacturer not supply willing retailers with product? Is there some kind of supply shortage such that only Amazon can be supplied with product? Why would Logitech continue to sell them online rather than supply retailers? You'd think satisfying your retailers would take priority over your own online sales, which already competes against them. Something is going on. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79507 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Where can i get a touch in the u.s.?
iwannatouch;553559 Wrote: In other words, the Touch fails to live up to the promises made in Logitech's advertising? In my opinion, *NO*. The Touch does what it says it will do. Does it do it the way everybody wants it to be done with just any old outside parts? It does not. The problem is people expecting to much and reading to much into the ad copy. Does it have a built in server, yes it does. Is it better to use the Touch with a dedicated SBS server, yes it is. Does it say anywhere that TinySC is better then SBS, no it does not. Can you use a USB drive with the Touch, yes you can. Can you use just -ANY- USB drive with Touch, no you can't. And again, the Touch is a Network Media Player with a 'Feature' of a limited downscaled built-in server. It is NOT a Music Server with a 'Feature' of also being a Network Media Player. Getting back on topic, if you want a Touch, order one from Logitech. That way you are supporting the company that you want to stay around. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79507 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Where can i get a touch in the u.s.?
iwannatouch;553546 Wrote: With all due respect Tony, one only has to take an honest look at the many threads in this forum to realize that quite a few people are experiencing a range of problems with the Touch, and that it is indeed coming up short in ways that are important to consumers. For a 1st generation product, it works well and has met my expectations for the most part. I was expecting it to power my USB, so it failed there, but an $8 ac/dc adaptor solved that problem. The sound is excellent when run through my stereo system and while the processor is indeed underpowered, for the most part (aside from minor rebuffering issues), it serves my SBRadios quite well. And for $300, I find it reasonably priced. -- Tony T Tony #63743; SBTouch #9834; SBRadio #9836; Tony T's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34544 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79507 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Setting presets on the Touch?
Jab65;553561 Wrote: Not sure what you mean here... When I select a local internet radio station, and go to the now playing screen, I hold a number-button on the remote. After about 2 seconds, the screen moves a little, but nothing seems to happen. Try one of the App's (i.e. Slacker or Pandora) to see if its not just related to the station that you are trying to pre-set. -- Tony T Tony #63743; SBTouch #9834; SBRadio #9836; Tony T's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34544 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78416 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Setting presets on the Touch?
Tony T;553572 Wrote: Try one of the App's (i.e. Slacker or Pandora) to see if its not just related to the station that you are trying to pre-set. Unfortunately these services are not available where I live (The Netherlands). Why do you expect that streams of these services could be preset? Is making a preset related to that service, or is it part of the squeezebox functionality? -- Jab65 Jab65's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38601 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78416 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Where can i get a touch in the u.s.?
pfarrell;553562 Wrote: Rather, it fails to meet expectations raised by sloppy wording in Logitech's advertising. Its a dinky box, with a limited CPU and limited amount of memory that can do some things very well. It does this on very little power, so its a green product... I'm likely going to ask a very dumb question (big shocker to the regulars on here) with my ZERO knowledge of computers, software, firmware, etc.. But here goes... Is there any possibility via firmware update to make the Touch's SD card slot act as additional memory for the Touch? Maybe adding up to 32gb of additional memory via SD to alleviate Touch's lack of memory? I realize this does nothing for Touch's true Achilles heel of a very low capacity CPU for internal server needs. -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79507 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Where can i get a touch in the u.s.?
The Touch a had a torturous birth. It sat on the warehouse shelves for ages whilst TinySC was being honed and the bugs ironed out and even then it was released before it did what it said on the can (TinySBS is woefully inadequate and does not match up to the marketing spiel: does not handle large libraries, scanner stuffs up play, no way to set path to library, etc). The product concept is flawed - a touch screen on a device tethered by wire to your systems amplifier? Surely a smaller touch screen on a mobile remote (like iPeng on an iPhone for instance) would make more sense or a big display screen (not necessarily touch) for display near near the hifi? It falls between all the stools. And now the Touch is not being supplied to resellers and is sold via Amazon and Logitech. This must make it simpler to administer returns, and you've got to assume it's enough outlet to shift existing stock. Do you think there are any more being made?. Current Touch development/bug fixes are supported by a single developer, very, very part time. What are the other Logitech developers doing?. Join up the dots chaps. -- ModelCitizen Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known Last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79507 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Where can i get a touch in the u.s.?
I want to thank this community's senior members for making it crystal clear to me (sorry it took so long). The Touch as it is - is not the Touch that Logitech says it is. If I expect it do the things I want it to do, like handling a large library from an EHD, I am likely to be frustrated and/or disappointed. As confusing as this experience has been for me, I cannot imagine what it's like for those beta-testers who worked so hard to get the Touch to do as much as it does. Again, thanks for all the information and advice. Maybe some day Logitech will make something that fits my needs, but for now I think it's better if I keep may hands off a Touch (lame pun intended). -- iwannatouch iwannatouch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79507 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Where can i get a touch in the u.s.?
ModelCitizen;553595 Wrote: Current Touch development/bug fixes are supported by a single developer, very, very part time. What are the other Logitech developers doing? If that's true, probably working on the Logitech/Google TV thing? -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79507 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Where can i get a touch in the u.s.?
ModelCitizen;553595 Wrote: Current Touch development/bug fixes are supported by a single developer, part time. Wait, what? Where did you get this from? There are 5 of us engineers working on SB full-time. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79507 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Where can i get a touch in the u.s.?
ModelCitizen;553595 Wrote: Current Touch development/bug fixes are supported by a single developer, part time. ...while I spend my vacation with my family. You know nothing. -- mherger Michael - http://www.herger.net/slim-plugins - AlbumReview, Biography, MusicInfoSCR mherger's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=50 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79507 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Where can i get a touch in the u.s.?
iwannatouch;553599 Wrote: I want to thank this community's senior members for making it crystal clear to me (sorry it took so long). The Touch as it is - is not the Touch that Logitech says it is. If I expect it do the things I want it to do, like handling a large library from an EHD, I am likely to be frustrated and/or disappointed. As confusing as this experience has been for me, I cannot imagine what it's like for those beta-testers who worked so hard to get the Touch to do as much as it does. Again, thanks for all the information and advice. Maybe some day Logitech will make something that fits my needs, but for now I think it's better if I keep may hands off a Touch (lame pun intended). What do you consider large? I have 200g of FLAC files (8,000 tracks) that play with minimal issues (that being rebuffering of the 1st track when playing random songs, a minor nuisance ). Let us know which product you buy (take a look at the Sony Dash, Linn and the Olive Opus). -- Tony T Tony #63743; SBTouch #9834; SBRadio #9836; Tony T's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34544 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79507 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Power plug position
There is definitely a right way to do this, and in many systems the improvement is huge when all plugs in the system are correctly oriented. Many years ago I used a small pen-like device measuring the electric field from the components. The smaller indication from the pen was the correct way to orient the plug. However, the pen was quite insensitive, so with many components it was difficult to tell which orientation was the correct one. Then I came across this method in Stereophile where one simply uses a voltmeter set to AC and measure between the chassis and ground when all connections to other devices are removed. In case you do not have a ground close at hand, then pinch the other probe tightly with your fingers. Even if the actual voltages will not be the same, you will still be able to see which plug orientation renders the lowest voltage reading, and that is your correct position. Here is the original article: http://www.stereophile.com/finetunes/195/index.html In my system the plug orientation is really essential. The difference when I get just one plug wrong is easily audible. But when I have done this trick in some of my friends' systems the results have been varying. In some cases the difference is great, in other systems barely audible. For some reasons many of my components (especially the Krell pre- and power-amps) show very big voltage differences when turning the plugs, but some of my friends' cheaper system components barely show any voltage difference at all when turning the plug. But just to try to turn around the plugs and try to listen which is best must be very time consuming since the number of combinations will be quite many in case you have a number of components in your system. (Personally I have 10.) Remember just one plug the wrong way can ruin the sound, and then it may not be possible to realize how any of the other plugs should be oriented. The voltmeter method makes it easy to get everything correct without having to listen until all components are correctly connected. And hopefully you will be pleased with the improved sound quality. -- Erik L Erik L's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37356 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78959 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Where can i get a touch in the u.s.?
@Andy Michael, thank you both for weighing in on this topic. I'm going to buy a Touch to add to my Classic and Radio. I'm just pissed that I missed out on the 25% discount that some people snagged in April. Eventually I'll get over it and buy one from Amazon. Please keep up the good work! -- Apesbrain Apesbrain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=738 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79507 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Setting presets on the Touch?
Jab65;553583 Wrote: Unfortunately these services are not available where I live (The Netherlands). Why do you expect that streams of these services could be preset? Is making a preset related to that service, or is it part of the squeezebox functionality? As far as I know, also music on my server can be preset (on my SBRadio). I have pre-sets for these services as well and radio stations. Not sure why you're not able to. -- Tony T Tony #63743; SBTouch #9834; SBRadio #9836; Tony T's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34544 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78416 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Play album from context menu
It should be fairly easy to make a simple plugin that offers a Play Album alternative in the context menu when launched from a track. What it really needs is a fix to allow a context menu to be brought up from an item within a context menu. Maybe this is possible to do in a plugin? I've raised a bug (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16290). I think you can probably also do it through a Browse by selected menu offered by Custom Browse but that would mean that you need to navigate an extra step. That's a good idea - I can probably use that as a work-around. I personally feel that the current SqueezePlay interface isn't optimized for exploring your library. I agree, but with users library sizes getting ever bigger, this is hugely important. Classic players were versatile in this respect. Touch/Radio look pretty, but don't currently achieve the same functionality. ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch at Crutchfield - Discontinued??
pfarrell;553343 Wrote: Whether Crutchfield carries the Touch or not is a silly topic, there have been only a tiny few facts and a ton of speculation onto the cause, meaning and implications of something that may or may not have happened. This thread is not worth the electrons spent spreading its content. IMHO. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ Well, there's how many retailers selling this product? And one of them is now no longer carrying it (apparently)? It would be interesting to know the story behind this. I've been saving up my credit card reward points specifically to buy a Touch from Crutchfield, so what doesn't matter to you, does to me. Just posting my experience. ;) -- mdaudioguy mdaudioguy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25699 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79288 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch at Crutchfield - Discontinued??
mdaudioguy;553631 Wrote: Well, there's how many retailers selling this product? And one of them is now no longer carrying it (apparently)? It would be interesting to know the story behind this. I've been saving up my credit card reward points specifically to buy a Touch from Crutchfield, so what doesn't matter to you, does to me. Just posting my experience. ;) Not being a jerk, but it looks like you should have pulled the trigger when the others did. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79288 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch at Crutchfield - Discontinued??
iPhone;553633 Wrote: Not being a jerk, but it looks like you should have pulled the trigger when the others did. I wish I had, but I didn't have enough saved up until this week! Who'd have thought they'd be gone?!? :confused: -- mdaudioguy mdaudioguy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25699 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79288 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch at Crutchfield - Discontinued??
mdaudioguy;553635 Wrote: I wish I had, but I didn't have enough saved up until this week! Who'd have thought they'd be gone?!? :confused: I agree - once they got them back in stock, who would have thought they would sell out so quickly and then stop carrying it alltogether. Hindsight is always 20/20. -- maggior Rich - Setup: 2 SB3s, 4 Booms, 1 Duet, 1 Receiver, 1 Touch. SuSE 11.0 Server running SqueezeBoxServer 7.5.0, MusicIP, and SqueezeSlave. Current library stats: 33,060 songs, 2,656 albums, 484 artists. http://www.last.fm/user/maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79288 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
