Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] which phone for Touch remote controller?

2010-07-05 Thread wt0

pippin;559850 Wrote: 
> Oh, there are probably dozens on the App Store, too. Apple doesn't check
> for the licensing in advance, they pull them when a complaint from a
> license holder comes in. I have five or six none of whose is still on
> the App Store.

Haven't heard of Palm pulling apps yet, but they've had more pressing
issues to worry about than app licensing. Who knows what will happen
later.

pippin;559850 Wrote: 
> Well. The problem is a significant amount of functionality is not
> documented.
Like most things with squeezeboxes. :) 

pippin;559850 Wrote: 
> So I decided to port Squeezeplay's audio part which is not too difficult
> on the protocol level but becomes increasingly so if you get into the
> details. Lots of libraries, then there's licensing again (I don't want
> to pay for an mp3 codec if there's already one on the iPhone) and so
> on.
It's always the details that get you:) From the packets I captured it
looks like after a bunch of handshake,control and status messages, it
just tells to player to open a http stream, is that just a regular
music stream that you can ask the underlying audio system to open?  I
compared the beginning of flac stream w/ the spec and it seems pretty
standard.

pippin;559850 Wrote: 
> The problem with the App Store is not really the license. It's that GPL
> requires you to put your own code under GPL, too. I don't plan to do
> that plus I use stuff from Apple that has license terms that are not
> compatible (it's sample code where I can't redistribute the source
> code) so I would have to re-write that. Plus there's stuff like
> Logitech artwork (player icons,...) and and and...
> GPL is just a horrible mess, it's more dogmatic than the catholic
> church.

So squeezeslave is straight GPL? It doesn't have any LGPL stuff that
you could just use as is? GPL is a pain. Giving away your code is
great, but forcing people to make their code free too even if your code
is only a small part of their code just doesn't seem right.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Are there any cheap options for a Better Touch Power Supply?

2010-07-05 Thread kgturner

tonyptony;559859 Wrote: 
> Peter, do you have a part number for this?

switchcraft 502-760

http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Switchcraft/760/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMu2f9RNbWupYubSmEXlq6O0Wd4VeTPXD68%3d


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Are there any cheap options for a Better Touch Power Supply?

2010-07-05 Thread tonyptony

psp;559784 Wrote: 
> I spliced in a plug that mates with the Touch

Peter, do you have a part number for this?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] which phone for Touch remote controller?

2010-07-05 Thread pippin

wt0;559847 Wrote: 
> Quick search in the app catalog showed a few lyrics app, one of which
> claims to use communtiy contributed lyrics which I doubt has a license.
> So I guess Palm's not quite as concerned about licensing at least for
> now.
> 
Oh, there are probably dozens on the App Store, too. Apple doesn't
check for the licensing in advance, they pull them when a complaint
from a license holder comes in. I have five or six none of whose is
still on the App Store.

Lyrics Wiki for example is "community created" but does have a license,
at least in the US.

Lyrdb, which is what the Lyrics plugin uses, has not, I believe they
have one in Spain but that doesn't really help here.
> 
> I captured some packets from squeezeplay and it doesn't look too
> horribly difficult, but of course this stuff never looks that bad at
> the beginning. :)
> 
Well. The problem is a significant amount of functionality is not
documented.
So I decided to port Squeezeplay's audio part which is not too
difficult on the protocol level but becomes increasingly so if you get
into the details. Lots of libraries, then there's licensing again (I
don't want to pay for an mp3 codec if there's already one on the
iPhone) and so on.
> 
> Hmm.. I never considered porting squeezeslave, but I guess that maybe
> possible for webos, I think the Palm license maybe more amicable to
> GPL.

The problem with the App Store is not really the license. It's that GPL
requires you to put your own code under GPL, too. I don't plan to do
that plus I use stuff from Apple that has license terms that are not
compatible (it's sample code where I can't redistribute the source
code) so I would have to re-write that. Plus there's stuff like
Logitech artwork (player icons,...) and and and...
GPL is just a horrible mess, it's more dogmatic than the catholic
church.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] which phone for Touch remote controller?

2010-07-05 Thread wt0

pippin;559842 Wrote: 
> Plus, there's the rights issue. I don't know about Palm but Apple is
> famous for throwing Apps out of the App Store that use Lyrics databases
> from unlicensed sources and my understanding is that at least in the US
> lyrdb (which the lyrics plugin uses) is not licensed.

Quick search in the app catalog showed a few lyrics app, one of which
claims to use communtiy contributed lyrics which I doubt has a license.
So I guess Palm's not quite as concerned about licensing at least for
now.


pippin;559842 Wrote: 
> 
> Yes. But iOS4 and iPad need to come first. It's halfway done but posed
> to be more tricky than I thought. Unfortunately I could not take the
> simple route of porting SqueezeSlave due to GPL's incompatibility with
> the App Store license agreement.

I captured some packets from squeezeplay and it doesn't look too
horribly difficult, but of course this stuff never looks that bad at
the beginning. :)

Hmm.. I never considered porting squeezeslave, but I guess that maybe
possible for webos, I think the Palm license maybe more amicable to
GPL.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] which phone for Touch remote controller?

2010-07-05 Thread pippin

wt0;559834 Wrote: 
> Oh.  You know I completely forgot that squeezeboxes have client plugins.
> So I guess, SqzCtrl won't have a lyrics plugin, at least not anytime
> soon. There are way too many other changes and features I want to do
> before I'd consider doing a lyrics feature.
> 
Plus, there's the rights issue. I don't know about Palm but Apple is
famous for throwing Apps out of the App Store that use Lyrics databases
from unlicensed sources and my understanding is that at least in the US
lyrdb (which the lyrics plugin uses) is not licensed.

There's also Erland's "SongInfo" plugin that can deliver Lyrics and
THAT one does work with iPeng.
> 
> BTW pippin, are you planning to add an audio player to ipeng?

Yes. But iOS4 and iPad need to come first. It's halfway done but posed
to be more tricky than I thought. Unfortunately I could not take the
simple route of porting SqueezeSlave due to GPL's incompatibility with
the App Store license agreement.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How much would you pay for a Touch Wall Mount?

2010-07-05 Thread RussellMrgn


A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the
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Question: How much would you be willing to pay for a Touch Wall Mounting
Bracket?

- $24.95
- $25 to 49.99
- $50 to $75.00
- I don't need one so not at any price!


I would be prepared to pay up to the $50 mark and have voted as such.
If anyone who has one was willing to follow pfarrell's idea, the you
could mark me down for one. anyone else?

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How much would you pay for a Touch Wall Mount?

2010-07-05 Thread Pat Farrell
On 07/05/2010 05:32 PM, iPhone wrote:
> Hi Pat. Is there a meaning to 'Real Bracket'? Are you saying the one
> that was designed isn't how you would do it or it isn't the way to do
> it? Could you give us some more information or your thoughts on the OEM
> bracket?

I meant the few that were made and at least one Beta tester used.

I've never seen one, other than in a photo or two in the beta test days. 
So I have no comment on the design or lack thereof of the Logitech 
prototypes.

I am assuming, and this may not be true, that Logitech didn't release 
the CAD that they used to create the prototype runs. Perhaps they did or 
can be talked into releasing them, since they do not plan to market them 
themselves.

With the CAD files, you can transform them into instructions to run a 
Makerbot cupcake easily, and then crank out as many as you want, just 
one at a time.  See
http://makerbot.com/


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How much would you pay for a Touch Wall Mount?

2010-07-05 Thread iPhone


A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the
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Question: How much would you be willing to pay for a Touch Wall Mounting
Bracket?

- $24.95
- $25 to 49.99
- $50 to $75.00
- I don't need one so not at any price!


pfarrell;559825 Wrote: 
> > How much would you pay for a Touch Wall Mounting Bracket?
> 
> I think this could be a really good use for someone with a Makerbot 
> cupcake 3d printer. Assuming folk are willing to actually pay something
> 
> to make it worth building the CAD instructions from a real bracket. I 
> think there are a few in the wild
> 
> -- 
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> http://www.pfarrell.com/

Hi Pat. Is there a meaning to 'Real Bracket'? Are you saying the one
that was designed isn't how you would do it or it isn't the way to do
it? Could you give us some more information or your thoughts on the OEM
bracket?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] which phone for Touch remote controller?

2010-07-05 Thread wt0

pippin;559830 Wrote: 
> Neither nor. Sebastian built that feature completely from scratch, he
> doesn't use the plugin.
> 
> LUA alone would not be enough. You need to run the complete Squeezeplay
> software to make the applet work.

Oh.  You know I completely forgot that squeezeboxes have client
plugins.  So I guess, SqzCtrl won't have a lyrics plugin, at least not
anytime soon. There are way too many other changes and features I want
to do before I'd consider doing a lyrics feature.

BTW pippin, are you planning to add an audio player to ipeng?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] which phone for Touch remote controller?

2010-07-05 Thread pippin

wt0;559819 Wrote: 
> Ah so it requires lua on the client. So how does it run on the WinMo
> app? Is that app built with lua? Or does it run a lua interpreter?

Neither nor. Sebastian built that feature completely from scratch, he
doesn't use the plugin.

LUA alone would not be enough. You need to run the complete Squeezeplay
software to make the applet work.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How much would you pay for a Touch Wall Mount?

2010-07-05 Thread pippin


A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the
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Question: How much would you be willing to pay for a Touch Wall Mounting
Bracket?

- $24.95
- $25 to 49.99
- $50 to $75.00
- I don't need one so not at any price!


While this is not completely fair (as I do HAVE one from the beta
program) I'm currently pretty sure I would also pay for it if I had not
since I'm bringing it to good use now. Given the price of the Touch and
the effort it takes to create the hole in the wall for it I would not
shy away from 50$.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How much would you pay for a Touch Wall Mount?

2010-07-05 Thread Pat Farrell
> How much would you pay for a Touch Wall Mounting Bracket?

I think this could be a really good use for someone with a Makerbot 
cupcake 3d printer. Assuming folk are willing to actually pay something 
to make it worth building the CAD instructions from a real bracket. I 
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Optical Out Specs (developers)

2010-07-05 Thread Phil Leigh

Beyond 5m for optical or 15m for coax (these are approximate lengths)
you may have problems.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] which phone for Touch remote controller?

2010-07-05 Thread wt0

Ah so it requires lua on the client. So how does it run on the WinMo
app? Is that app built with lua? Or does it run a lua interpreter?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] which phone for Touch remote controller?

2010-07-05 Thread pippin

wt0;559808 Wrote: 
> so what does lyrics use or require that makes it not run in ipeng?
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[SlimDevices: Touch] How much would you pay for a Touch Wall Mount?

2010-07-05 Thread iPhone

How much would you pay for a Touch Wall Mounting Bracket?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Wall Mount... Will we ever see it?

2010-07-05 Thread iPhone

spile;559722 Wrote: 
> Hearsay or any evidence to back up these two apparantly contradictory
> comments?

My posting was not hearsay, it was from a conversation about a month
ago with a Logitech employee. The Touch demand in the EU is higher then
they had projected it would be with sales being strong. The Touch is NOT
discontinued, they are said to be getting ready to or by now have, make
another production run of the Touch. I was told shelf space was the
issue with the big box retail stores stocking and selling Touch. The
space went to Sony/Phillips and iPhone/iTouch docking products. Sony
was probably willing to pay more to get it.

And Mickey said the 'following'
(http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=540526&postcount=7) in
the Touch Forum Section.

I have no details on the wall mount other then I haven't seen or heard
about one being available anywhere.


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[SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Optical Out Specs (developers)

2010-07-05 Thread Gouthrum

Hi all.
I'm still planning a "Touch with optical digital out to another rooms
speakers(with built-in DAC)" project(in a hallway mounted high close to
the ceiling), but have doubts regarding range capabilities.
Been reading up on SPDIF/TOSLINK specs and their implementation in
equiptment and, as far as i can understand, it seems that the maximum
range of SPDIF/TOSLINK is up to how the standard is configured by the
developers/designers of each system.
My question is then mostly to any Squeezebox Touch developers or
designers reading this.
What would the maximum range be for the Touch optial output when using
this cable?
http://www.lindy.co.uk/15m-spdif-digital-optical-cable-toslink-premium-gold/35246.html
Will it work or will the signal loss be to great?
Thinking of pairing the Touch with this:
http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/MS20.aspx
but i'm not interested in buying them if this wont work.

Any input on this would be great.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] which phone for Touch remote controller?

2010-07-05 Thread wt0

pippin;559725 Wrote: 
> Spare your time, it won't.

So what does lyrics use or require that makes it not run in ipeng?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] A couple of newbie questions

2010-07-05 Thread Waldo Pepper

Thanks for that.
Just the job.
Waldo


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch TinySC - Limited to Sync for SB Classic?

2010-07-05 Thread JJZolx

teejayl;559742 Wrote: 
> 
> I got the SB Classic working with the touch, however I am only able to
> listen to what is playing on the Touch. Is this the only way it works
> (ie can't listen to two different songs simultaneously)? Not the end of
> the world, as it would be rare to have two different songs playing, but
> it would be nice to have. Has anyone got it working with 2 different
> songs playing at the same time on two units? Do the units have to be
> synced for them to work?

You mean this one, right?  (also known as the Squeezebox 3):

[image:
http://www.binbin.net/photos/logitech/squ/squeezebox-3-classic-wireless-network-music-system-colour-black.jpg]

No, the SB Classic should be able to play independenatly of whatever is
playing on the Touch.  It should play your FLAC files with no problem
and you should be able to listen to two different songs at the same
time.  Whole album FLACs may be a little problematic, though.  Here's a
bug report/discussion of the subject, although I haven't read through it
all to see whether or not there are any problems remaining.

http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11950


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Are there any cheap options for a Better Touch Power Supply?

2010-07-05 Thread psp

Following the advice of Wayne at Boulder Cable (the thread is on Audio
Circle), I bought a refurbished Elpac WM220-1 (5 and 12VDC, rated at 22
watts!) for $46 plus shipping.  I spliced in a plug that mates with the
Touch, otherwise I've done no power supply mods so far (the WM220 is
very open and the circuit board accessible, so mods will be easy). 
Apparently some WM220s can buzz, but mine did not... buyer beware!

I never know what to expect with something like this, and most of the
time I do it from a "more beef in the power supply can't hurt" point of
view, but this time the results were quite nice.  The dominant effect
was clearly increased dynamics.  With the Touch driven by the Elpac,
instrumental attacks had a sharper edge and the music was more fun and
engaging; driven by the stock supply it was more polite, more recessed,
less interesting.  There may also be more inner detail with the WM220,
but to date (to my ears, with the music I've listend to so far, etc.)
the effect is not large. 

Peter


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Japanese characters not displaying correctly

2010-07-05 Thread swessel

Hello, 

thank you for your replies.

With the FreeSans fonts, the german Umlaut characters are shown ok, but
the japanese characters are shown as little boxes. With the
DroidSansFallback font it is just the opposite. I tried it with the
newest version of this font. 
I think that the Umlauts are missing in the Droid font, or they are at
a different Location in the font. Perhaps internally the Squeezebox is
working with ISO 8859-1 instead of UTF-8. Only the characters up to 127
are identical, but the Umlauts are in the area from 128 to 255. But that
are only speculations. 
I tried to install the DroidSansFallback font on my Windows 7 computer,
but that ended in an error message. So I can't look into the font file
which characters are contained and which not.

Perhaps somebody has a suggestion what I can try.

Stephan


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[SlimDevices: Touch] Touch TinySC - Limited to Sync for SB Classic?

2010-07-05 Thread teejayl

Hi there,

I got my Touch on the weekend, with the plans to plug my external hd
into it directly, and move my SB Classic to the basement.

I was looking forward to having the hd right at the unit, as I could
power it on when needed, without having to run upstairs to the
computer. I also didn't have to leave the computer running.

I got the SB Classic working with the touch, however I am only able to
listen to what is playing on the Touch. Is this the only way it works
(ie can't listen to two different songs simultaneously)? Not the end of
the world, as it would be rare to have two different songs playing, but
it would be nice to have. Has anyone got it working with 2 different
songs playing at the same time on two units? Do the units have to be
synced for them to work?

I've run into a couple other problems, also minor.
My music is stored in two ways. Some albums were ripped as individual
FLAC files for each track. These are dumped into a folder called Music,
with no  subfolders for albums or artists (just a folder with a ton of
files). Others are ripped as one file for the whole album. These are
stored in a folder called playlists. The SB Classic handled this no
problem. However the Touch, when playing one of the full album flac
files will play the last 10 - 15 seconds of the previous track before
playing the one I selected.

It also seems to have issues with identifying some artists/albums.
Crosby, Stills and Nash - Greatest Hits doesn't show up in the Artist
list, but will show up when you search. It seems to be lumped into a
various artists list along with many other artists with a Greatest Hits
album. I'll have to work on figuring out how these should be properly
tagged. 

Other than the minor things I've found with it, it's working great
though.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] which phone for Touch remote controller?

2010-07-05 Thread pippin

wt0;559706 Wrote: 
> When I get a chance I'll see if the lyrics plugin works.

Spare your time, it won't.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Wall Mount... Will we ever see it?

2010-07-05 Thread spile

> sales in Europe have been strong

> 
> Going by the limited number of sellers of the Touch, it appears that
> the Touch itself may not be a very long lived product.

Hearsay or any evidence to back up these two apparantly contradictory
comments?
In respect of the wall mount - presumably a third party will come to
the rescue if there is demand?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] which phone for Touch remote controller?

2010-07-05 Thread wt0

I know I'm a bit late on this thread, but in case someone is still
reading this, Squeeze Control for the Pre/Pixi has always supported
context menus and now supports MySB too.  It does have some support for
plugins, but I haven't really tested many. I have CDplayer and The
Synchronizer and they both seem to work fine. Basically any plugin that
shows up in the extras menu of the SBC will show up in the extras menu
of Squeeze Control, but I don't know which one will work.  When I get a
chance I'll see if the lyrics plugin works.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Remote Controlling Other Kit.

2010-07-05 Thread craig strong

It looks like I have discovered how to not allow the Touch remote to
operate the amp, simply by not using the amps remote to power it up,
and switch it on manually.

For whatever reason that stops the amp picking up on the Touch's
remote.


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