Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Image viewer crashes at third picture
> ok, got the logs! I wrote you an email. > Hope to hear from you soon!:) Ok, it's pretty clear it dies with an "out of memory" error. Interestingly it first kills the internal music server, while still showing images. Then, a few images later, it definitely runs out of memory. Did you edit your files, are are they as delivered by your camera? Would you mind sharing some of them with me? We know that depending on how your JPG files are saved, this can increase memory consumption a lot. Make sure you don't save them with "progressive loading" enabled. One more issue: you seem to have hundreds or thousands of images in one folder. Touch isn't handling this very well. Try reducing the number of files. -- Michael ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch - in stock anytime soon?
unclemat;580007 Wrote: > I am buying the Touch for my kids. I realized my younger ones (4 & 5 yrs > old) can't handle Classic too well via the remote. I have a 6 year old that can navigate the Touch mostly without troubles. His only issue is that most menus don't have icons and are only text, and he is only starting to read, and trying to decipher the menu items letter by letter is quite tedious for him. But now that he remember a few genre and artist, he can find them back trivially. He picked up the basics very quickly. Note that I have not taught him complex things like queuing two albums and the long press for context menus. Jean -- jean2 jean2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33946 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82327 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Reducing Memory Usage
ryyjjyyr;580018 Wrote: > Hi, > > My current memory usage is 88%. > [...] > Is there a way to reduce memory usage and what are the steps? I am > using the Tiny Internal Server and have 4000+ songs > [...] > > Thanks > Rob Hi, I use TinySB have 7k tracks, half with artwork and I'm at 74% as seen from the diagnostic page when not playing anything. The only plug-in I have installed is Pandora. I detailed my setup in this thread : http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82070&highlight=mastering There are in this thread a few trick that may help with memory, such as file system structure and tags. However, my number one suspect would be any plug-in/extensions installed on the Touch. Note that slow memory increase maybe normal if the Touch collect playlist, stats and favorites. You could purge the database and rescan (see thread above). And you could also try a complete factory reset. Good luck... Jean -- jean2 jean2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33946 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82342 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Reducing Memory Usage
Hi, My current memory usage is 88%. The memory usage appears to be increasing overtime. This high usage is becoming a problem because I have some issues when connecting to internet radio. If the internet connection is bad for that particular radio station (possibly needing more resources to connect to the station) the internal squeezebox servers fails because of a lack of memory. Then I have to restart the squeezebox server. Is there a way to reduce memory usage and what are the steps? I am using the Tiny Internal Server and have 4000+ songs, probably 400+ albums and minimal downloads. But I do have cover art for almost all of my albums. Thanks Rob -- ryyjjyyr ryyjjyyr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39492 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82342 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Will This Work?
aubuti;580016 Wrote: > Sure. More precisely, SBS will read the music on the external drive, and > send it to the Touch. Many Thanks Rgds -- souwalker souwalker's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37673 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82339 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Will This Work?
souwalker;580002 Wrote: > Will this SB server software or the Touch able to read his external > drive attached to his mac? Sure. More precisely, SBS will read the music on the external drive, and send it to the Touch. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82339 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Instructions for connecting USB DAC to Touch
JohnSwenson;579860 Wrote: > Both the Musiland 01 USD and the M2Tech will NOT work with the Touch. > They require a custom driver of which only Mac or Windows versions > exist. The Touch runs linux on an ARM processor so the existing drivers > will not work. > > You HAVE to use a device that will work with a generic driver, NOT its > own custom driver. > > I'm not up on DSIX, I've seen two very different things on the net > under that name, I'm not sure what you are referring to. One looks like > a simple waveform reshaper and a transformer, the other has an > oscillator and says something about a PLL, I have not been able to find > any details about whats actually going on inside of this. > > I've written hundreds of pages on S/PDIF before, I'm not really up to > that all over again. The upshot is that it is HIGHLY variable. Almost > no devices actually really get the spec right so you are almost always > dealing with a gamble as to what is going to work the best. In real > life its all about which imperfection of transmitter matches the > imperfections of the receiver the best. Which comes down to its > impossible to make generalizations. Try a bunch of stuff and use the > one that sounds the best. Just because something works best for someone > else, its highly unlikely its going to be the best for you unless you > have exactly the same gear. > > > > John S. Thanks John, I appreciate your thorough reply. I haven't found a page that does a good job explaining DSIX in English yet. I think the name stands for Digital Signal Isolation Exciter. http://www.yasu-audio.com/dsix105_01.html What USB/SPDIF converter would you recommend for the Touch usb out? -- metronet metronet's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40742 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82110 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch - in stock anytime soon?
JJZolx;579921 Wrote: > Consider the touch interface a throwaway. After the initial setup and > maybe some future setup changes, it's unlikely that you'll use it again > unless you can't find a remote control. Like you say, it's inconvenient > for most people to sit a source component for their audio system > anywhere near their listening position. So they use it either like an > old SB3 with the IR remote (if they can read the smaller text from > their listening position) or else as an expensive Receiver with a > Conroller or iPhone app. Well, there are for sure cases where the touch screen is useful and will be the main interface. I am buying the Touch for my kids. I realized my younger ones (4 & 5 yrs old) can't handle Classic too well via the remote. They kinda can especially after I trimmed the menus to a bare minimum, but still it's not that strightforward to them (reading is a hard part, too). Then there is the factor of remote being misplaced. I hope they will find Touch more intuitive. Myself I could not care less for Touch and vastly prefer VFDs of my Transporter, Classics, SB2s and Booms. -- unclemat unclemat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33372 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82327 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Will This Work?
I have recommended Touch for my brother-in-law and this is how he would like to us. I am streaming via my NAS in FLAc and all is great but not sure if his intension will. All of his music files are in MP3 and I has them all in a 2T Buffallo external drive that´s connected to his Mac. He intends to connect the SB touch to his hi-fi in his living room and plan to stream his music either through his wi-fi network or using homeplug if the speed of the signal from his wireless network is not fast enough. I beleive he is going to install the SB Server software on his Mac. Will this SB server software or the Touch able to read his external drive attached to his mac? I know attaching a 2 TB external hardrive directly to the Touch is probably going to take a very long time to scan. Rgds -- souwalker souwalker's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37673 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82339 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] RSS news feeds as screensaver
Just for information to anyone interested in RSS as screen saver on
Touch/Radio/Controller. The latest version of Custom Clock applet and
Custom Clock Helper plugin now has support for a new rsstext item type
in their configuration. There is also a "RSS Text Feed" and "Digital
Clock with RSS" style for Touch which is currently configured to show a
allmusic.com RSS feed.
As usual, you can of course combine the rsstext item with any other
items supported by Custom Clock to create your own customized screen
saver.
The new version also supports a "rssicon" item which does the same
thing for image information in RSS feeds.
The solution isn't optional for two reasons:
1. It doesn't work good with long scrolling texts, so the feeds needs
to be fairly short if you want a continuously scrolling text.
2. There is no support in SqueezePlay for vertical scrolling items.
The "RSS Text Feed" style shows and example that shows one RSS item
using the complete screen area.
The "Digital Clock with RSS" style shows an example which have a single
horizontal scrolling item and switches to the next RSS item after 2
minutes.
As usual you need the Custom Clock Helper plugin to configure the style
to for example change to another RSS feed.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Does SBT show kind of file it's playing?
You simply MUST ignore any displayed information on FLAC files and bitrates. It's all just wrong. If you have a 24-bit file, it WILL play at 24-bit. If you have a Touch or TP, 96 will play at 96. 176.4 will play at 88.2 and 192 WILL play at 96. There's nothing else to say. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82264 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch - in stock anytime soon?
unclemat;579962 Wrote: > :rolleyes: > > I think it's pretty apparent that resources behind Squeezebox line have > been trimmed. Fewer developers. SqueezeOS devices handicapped and > missing many features present in older devices. Not too mention buggy > like hell (inadequate QA process). Dedicated Squeezebox site pulled, > including the store. Transporter discontinued. Touch pulled from > retailers. Receiver unobtanium. No Boom update (that is perhaps a good > thing). > > Maybe they are not pulling the plug on the line, but let's say it's > pretty obvious they aren't investing much in it. Maybe on your planet. Not on mine. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82327 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Best SBS version for The Touch, 7.5 or 7.6?
Dura;579843 Wrote:
> Does anyone happen to know when (appr.) 7.6 is supposed to replace 7.5?
>
No
I personally suspect it won't happen this year, but this is just a
guess, a December launch would probably be possible if Logitech decided
to make it happen. At the moment no one outside Logitech have a clue
what functionality 7.6 will contain. I would be surprised if it wasn't
released during 2011, I hope it will happen before next summer.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Image viewer crashes at third picture
ok, got the logs! I wrote you an email. Hope to hear from you soon!:) -- Rikk Rikk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25652 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82243 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch - in stock anytime soon?
iPhone;579891 Wrote: > Where do you live, that might help get you some answers? Another > question is do you approach everything in life with such gloom and > doom? :rolleyes: I think it's pretty apparent that resources behind Squeezebox line have been trimmed. Fewer developers. SqueezeOS devices handicapped and missing many features present in older devices. Not too mention buggy like hell (inadequate QA process). Dedicated Squeezebox site pulled, including the store. Transporter discontinued. Touch pulled from retailers. Receiver unobtanium. No Boom update (that is perhaps a good thing). Maybe they are not pulling the plug on the line, but let's say it's pretty obvious they aren't investing much in it. -- unclemat unclemat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33372 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82327 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch - in stock anytime soon?
Mickey, thanks for the update. -- unclemat unclemat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33372 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82327 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch - in stock anytime soon?
I've seen the "Out of Stock" message too. I didn't know what was going on, so I asked various people within Logitech. We are indeed out of stock, but will have more within the next few days. Our September shipment of Touch players for the United States was supposed to arrive from the factory earlier this month but has been delayed. They're now on an airplane and should be entering the United States today (September 30, 2010). Hopefully they'll be sending out all backordered units to customers sometime next week. In the meantime, if you want one you should place an order now and they'll ship it out soon. Sorry for the confusion. Mickey -- MickeyG Transporter > Classé Audio DR6 > Mark Levinson 23 > Wilson Watt 3/Puppy 1/Martin Logan Dynamo 700 MickeyG's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11644 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82327 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch still not available in Canada?
I got my SBT from Andrew at Solutions AV very quickly. Try sending them an email and asking them to phone you back. I was very pleased with their service. SBT arrived the day after I gave them my VISA number. Best of luck. -- voaden voaden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40753 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81359 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch - in stock anytime soon?
The Touch was the perfect interface for installation in my new kitchen. It sits on the counter and provides easy access to the music. I don't even keep the remote in the kitchen. My SB3's (along with Controller/iPeng) work much better for sit-down listening. -- ChrisNY ChrisNY's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5004 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82327 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch - in stock anytime soon?
Logitech may be out of the Touch, but there are new units available on eBay. I am not sure if Logitech will honor the warranty on these units, but I could not wait and in my experience electronics rarely fail. Loving my new SB Touch! Disclaimer: I have no affiliation with any of these eBay sellers. Buy at your own risk. -- gmudunuri gmudunuri's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34477 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82327 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Which Category Ethernet Cable?
On 09/30/2010 10:34 AM, guidof wrote: > So far, my wireless connection seems to work flawlessly and sounds > excellent. This seems to suggest I should stick with it and thus avoid > drilling into floors and walls -- unless problems with wireless crop up > down the line. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Its best to avoid pulling wires through completed houses, but it can be done. I pulled about 1500 feet of Cat5 through mine. Only had to make two holes, one small, one fairly big, for the wife to disprove of. Still the job is messy, and crawling around in the unfinished attic with loose insulation is no fun. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch - in stock anytime soon?
ShutterShock;579904 Wrote: > > That said, you make a really good point -- that being the touch display > is probably a very small percentage of the SB Touch's overall cost. > With that in mind, I may well buy and SB Touch and use it as a > Receiver. Consider the touch interface a throwaway. After the initial setup and maybe some future setup changes, it's unlikely that you'll use it again unless you can't find a remote control. Like you say, it's inconvenient for most people to sit a source component for their audio system anywhere near their listening position. So they use it either like an old SB3 with the IR remote (if they can read the smaller text from their listening position) or else as an expensive Receiver with a Conroller or iPhone app. -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82327 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch - in stock anytime soon?
ShutterShock;579904 Wrote: > That said, you make a really good point -- that being the touch display > is probably a very small percentage of the SB Touch's overall cost. > With that in mind, I may well buy and SB Touch and use it as a > Receiver. The touchscreen is not only a very small percentage of the overall cost, but it's also probably only a small percentage of the interface-of-choice for the Touch. Lots of us use the Controller, or iPeng, or web ui, or IR remote instead of the touchscreen. Try it, you'll like it ;-) -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82327 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch - in stock anytime soon?
aubuti;579902 Wrote: > I don't understand how the touchscreen "diminishes the usability" of the > Touch, other than it looking out of place on a standard rack. If you > think iPeng is elegant, use that and don't go near the touchscreen. It's proximity to the listening position that in my view diminishes some of the Touch's UI benefits. If the Touch is on your lap or right in front of you, then it's a different story. You have the full advantage of that user experience without leaving your seat. But then you've got the cables tethered to the Touch to contend with. That said, you make a really good point -- that being the touch display is probably a very small percentage of the SB Touch's overall cost. With that in mind, I may well buy and SB Touch and use it as a Receiver. -- ShutterShock Tim Living Room: Duet, Bryston B60R w/built-in DAC, PMC FB1i Speakers Kitchen: Boom Bedroom: Boom ShutterShock's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3602 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82327 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Which Category Ethernet Cable?
guidof;579885 Wrote: > So far, my wireless connection seems to work flawlessly and sounds > excellent. This seems to suggest I should stick with it and thus avoid > drilling into floors and walls -- unless problems with wireless crop up > down the line. Exactly. In general ethernet is more reliable and robust than wifi, but if your wifi works flawlessly then leave it be. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82269 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch - in stock anytime soon?
ShutterShock;579899 Wrote: > I hope I'm wrong about all this, and I do regret not getting an SB Touch > if I do end up being right. Support for those higher bit rates would > justify all those studio master flac tracks I've bought from the likes > of Linn. > > In my ideal world, Logitech (or someone) would take all the audio > qualities of the SB Touch and repackage it a Receiver with greater > reliability than the current Duet Receiver. Can Logitech make decent > money for such a niche product baring in mind that many buyers would > use an iPod/iPad app in place of the Controller? I'm thinking no... And what would be the advantages of such a "Receiver-ized" Touch above the current Touch? Maybe marginally lower price because of no LCD screen, which is a very inexpensive component. There would marginal savings on the software side, because it's SqueezePlay underneath, just like the Controller. The Touch costs twice as much as the Receiver not primarily because of the touchscreen, but primarily because it has much better audio, as well as a real CPU, operating system, and RAM. And the disadvantage? You'd need a Controller or similar, or at least a PC with something like UDAP, to set it up. I don't understand how the touchscreen "diminishes the usability" of the Touch, other than it looking out of place on a standard rack. If you think iPeng is elegant, use that and don't go near the touchscreen. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82327 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch - in stock anytime soon?
unclemat;579884 Wrote: > Frankly kinda feels like Logitech is letting Squeezebox line die. I've wondered the same thing based on product availability (or should I say, unavailability) posts here in the past number of months. It'd be a tragedy if you turn out to be right. But, the category has changed since the early days of Slim Devices. When I bought my first Squeezebox (it was a SB1), Roku was one of Slim Devices' closest competitors. Within a year or so, Roku saw the opportunity with internet-connected set top boxes for video and they've made quite a name for themselves in that space. Sadly, the audiophile community is tiny in comparison to the iPod-connected-to-a-powered-speaker-system community. Then there's Sonos. To my knowledge, none of their products support the bit rates supported by the SB Touch. Regardless, my perception is the typical Sonos user is less interested in audio quality (than many Squeezebox users) and more about the relative simplicity, elegance and aesthetics of the experience. I've never seen or used the SB Touch, but my main concern with it would be the fact that the eye candy and cool UI (i.e.: the touch screen) is remote to the listening position in a typical use case. To me, that really diminishes the value of the Touch concept in terms of usability. Would a detachable head (let's call it 2nd generation Duet) address the issue? It sure would but the elegance of iPeng (and similar products) must really discourage Logitech from investing in the development of such a product. I hope I'm wrong about all this, and I do regret not getting an SB Touch if I do end up being right. Support for those higher bit rates would justify all those studio master flac tracks I've bought from the likes of Linn. In my ideal world, Logitech (or someone) would take all the audio qualities of the SB Touch and repackage it a Receiver with greater reliability than the current Duet Receiver. Can Logitech make decent money for such a niche product baring in mind that many buyers would use an iPod/iPad app in place of the Controller? I'm thinking no... -- ShutterShock Tim Living Room: Duet, Bryston B60R w/built-in DAC, PMC FB1i Speakers Kitchen: Boom Bedroom: Boom ShutterShock's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3602 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82327 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Powered Desktop Speakers forTouch
Another vote for A2s or A5s, don't think one can go wrong with either one. For a wake-up device, I think the Boom works better. It is all self contained, speakers and player in one for less then any Touch with powered speakers combo. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Wood Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1, Vandersteen V2W Subwoofer Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Squeezebox BOOM Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82281 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch - in stock anytime soon?
unclemat;579884 Wrote: > I called Logitech and was told "I don't know". Anyone has any info? Or > is Touch a goner? > > Frankly kinda feels like Logitech is letting Squeezebox line die. Where do you live, that might help get you some answers? Another question is do you approach everything in life with such gloom and doom? The Touch says out of stock which does not mean discontinued! They are out of stock because demand was higher then they projected. Again a good sign. Logitech went to the expense and trouble to get the Receiver FCC re-certified so that it could be sold with the new WiFi chip/card. If they were letting the line die, I ask, why bother with the trouble and expense? This is one of those times that if one wanted one they should have pulled the trigger before stock was depleted. Now one probably has to wait for a production run and a boat before getting one. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Wood Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1, Vandersteen V2W Subwoofer Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Squeezebox BOOM Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82327 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Which Category Ethernet Cable?
Again, thank you all for a most informative discussion! So far, my wireless connection seems to work flawlessly and sounds excellent. This seems to suggest I should stick with it and thus avoid drilling into floors and walls -- unless problems with wireless crop up down the line. But if I ever go Ethernet, I now know which cat to get. (Meow!) Guido F. -- guidof *Front End*: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge; Cambridge Azur 840C CD Player; Oppo BDP--83 Universal Player; Squeezebox Touch Music File Player (digital out to Cambridge Azur 840C DAC) *Preamps*: Conrad Johnson Motif (Phono); Adcom GFP-750 (Line) *Amps*: Music Reference RM-200 Mk II (Main); Little Tube Mk III (Phones) *Subwoofer Equalizer*: DSpeaker Antimode 8033 *Speakers*: Martin Logan SL3s; REL T1 Subwoofer *Headphones*: AKG K701 guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82269 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Touch - in stock anytime soon?
I called Logitech and was told "I don't know". Anyone has any info? Or is Touch a goner? Frankly kinda feels like Logitech is letting Squeezebox line die. -- unclemat unclemat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33372 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82327 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch with USB Output? Anybody do it yet?
The C-media USB receivers are some of the worst ones ever made, their sole redeeming feature is that they are dirt cheap. No wonder you like the S/PDIF better. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82040 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Instructions for connecting USB DAC to Touch
'[IDC Wrote: > Dragon;579840'] > Asynchronous mode is the current hype. In this case the *device* sets > the clock, the host has to deliver with that speed. No need for the DAC > to recover a clock at all, it can use a fixed internal ultraclock. Only > by using this scheme a USB DAC can outperform SPDIF in terms of > jitter. > > Jörg This actually is not quite true. How adaptive performs is very much dependent on its implementation. The existing implementations vary from very poor to very good. The best ones can easily outperform almost all S/PDIF receivers. Even a 2706 if done well (good local clock, proper decoupling, good regulator) can outperform a standard crystal S/PDIF receiver (also implemented well). Of course its limited to 16/48. There are much better implementations than the 2706. A proper asynch USB CAN be better than any adaptive, but it has to be done right. Not all are. For example the infamous Musiland 01 USD is actually not a very good implementation, there are some adaptive implementations which are better. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82110 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Instructions for connecting USB DAC to Touch
metronet;579796 Wrote: > Hi John, do you happen to have a list of the asynchronous USB to spdif > converter that would work with the Touch, like the Musiland 01 USD? > > Also, what do you think of DSIX spdif in comparison to asynchronous USB > to spdif in terms of performance? for instance from a Touch to an > Accuphase D/A converter. Both the Musiland 01 USD and the M2Tech will NOT work with the Touch. They require a custom driver of which only Mac or Windows versions exist. The Touch runs linux on an ARM processor so the existing drivers will not work. You HAVE to use a device that will work with a generic driver, NOT its own custom driver. I'm not up on DSIX, I've seen two very different things on the net under that name, I'm not sure what you are referring to. One looks like a simple waveform reshaper and a transformer, the other has an oscillator and says something about a PLL, I have not been able to find any details about whats actually going on inside of this. I've written hundreds of pages on S/PDIF before, I'm not really up to that all over again. The upshot is that it is HIGHLY variable. Almost no devices actually really get the spec right so you are almost always dealing with a gamble as to what is going to work the best. In real life its all about which imperfection of transmitter matches the imperfections of the receiver the best. Which comes down to its impossible to make generalizations. Try a bunch of stuff and use the one that sounds the best. Just because something works best for someone else, its highly unlikely its going to be the best for you unless you have exactly the same gear. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82110 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Powered Desktop Speakers forTouch
SuperQ;579479 Wrote: > I have AudioEngine A2 speakers on my desk.. they're fantastic. See > other thread for more info. +1 on the A2. I use these on my office computer and very, very nice. could almost be used in a small living room! I use the A5 speakers at the weekend cottage and they are very nice (but much larger than the A2's). -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82281 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Image viewer crashes at third picture
ok, this evening I will ssh it :) I guess it's not always the same image because I checked random order, so unless it doesn't randomize... -- Rikk Rikk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25652 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82243 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Best SBS version for The Touch, 7.5 or 7.6?
Does anyone happen to know when (appr.) 7.6 is supposed to replace 7.5? -- Dura Dura's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39937 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82076 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Instructions for connecting USB DAC to Touch
I discovered this thread kindof late... To the V-DAC owners: I know the V-DAC quite well, have tweaked it alot, I even wrote my own firmware for it. Don't use its USB input if you have other options, better use coax or optical if coax gives you ground loop problems. The PCM2706 is used as USB->SPDIF converter, feeding one of the 4 inputs of the upsampler, the other inputs being the coax and optical plugs. So if you use USB, your chain is longer by that chip making S/PDIF from it again. The USB input chip is sub-par with the capabilities of the DAC, only capable of 16 bit and up to 48 kHz. To my only partial understanding, USB Adaptive mode is a pretty bad idea, introducing a lot of jitter. The host (normally the PC) sends data with its own pace, jittered like hell because e.g. it is chopped into USB packets. The poor device (USB DAC) has the tough job to recover a steady clock from that. This works far less well than recovering a SPDIF clock. Asynchronous mode is the current hype. In this case the *device* sets the clock, the host has to deliver with that speed. No need for the DAC to recover a clock at all, it can use a fixed internal ultraclock. Only by using this scheme a USB DAC can outperform SPDIF in terms of jitter. Jörg -- [IDC]Dragon [IDC]Dragon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5111 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82110 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
