Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch mods from Soundcheck no more available
Like RadioClash, I have been reluctant to try the screen off mod. Is text stll visible on screen when changing tracks? (No I-pad or I-Phone) -- Covenant Covenant's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36495 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
Hi folks. I forked this 'thread' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061) over here, since the title of that other thread was kind of misleading. ;) We were actually discussing my newest Toolbox 2.0 since quite some time over there. Since last weekend my Touch Toolbox 2.0 is available. If you have any comments/questions let me know. Since last weekend I'm continuously finetuning the blog based on the feedback I got. Just follow my signature to try the modifications. (Reading the blog for sure will be more time consuming that implementing the modifications.) :D Enjoy. Cheers -- soundcheck 'soundcheck's audio@vise - Squeezebox Touch Toolbox 2.0' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-squeezebox-touch-toolbox-20.html) soundcheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch mods from Soundcheck no more available
Hi gents. I just forked this thread over to 'soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=602139#post602139) since I found this thread title kind of misleading. ;) I btw added chapter 1.8 to the blog making some comments about upgrades. Cheers -- soundcheck 'soundcheck's audio@vise - Squeezebox Touch Toolbox 2.0' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-squeezebox-touch-toolbox-20.html) soundcheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Odd issue with my Touch (might be my DAC)
Phil Leigh;602126 Wrote: However, if the s/pdif header bits are not set correctly, then downstream devices might REPORT non-24-bit streams... Header bits do not exist in S/PDIF, but you may have meant the channel status information sent? This information is not mandatory and does not directly contain information on the number of bits per word (for consumer equipment)! Per definition, each S/PDIF sampleslice is zero-padded to fit in 20 or 24 bits. If no channel status is sent, 48 kHz/20 bits is to be assumed according to the standard. Having said that, there are alternative ways for an S/PDIF receiver to determine the sample size (not fool-proof, but in reality it usually works). First, if there is channel status available, it should contain a category code. That category code is set to 0 for a general format, it is set to 1 for CD, set to 2 for PCM or set to 3 for DAT. This information could be used to discriminate between 16 and non-16 bit. Alternatively, the receiver could look at the incoming datastream and check for the number of least significant bits that are always set to 0 whilst the other bits do contain data. Most probably, if a receiver reports 23 bit, it got data with the only its LSB always set to 0 for some reason. In conclusion, AFAIK, there is no 100% reliable way to communicate the samplesize through S/PDIF. -- Griffin Griffin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84280 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Odd issue with my Touch (might be my DAC)
Griffin;602152 Wrote: Header bits do not exist in S/PDIF, but you may have meant the channel status information sent? This information is not mandatory and does not directly contain information on the number of bits per word (for consumer equipment)! Per definition, each S/PDIF sampleslice is zero-padded to fit in 20 or 24 bits. If no channel status is sent, 48 kHz/20 bits is to be assumed according to the standard. Having said that, there are alternative ways for an S/PDIF receiver to determine the sample size (not fool-proof, but in reality it usually works). First, if there is channel status available, it should contain a category code. That category code is set to 0 for a general format, it is set to 1 for CD, set to 2 for PCM or set to 3 for DAT. This information could be used to discriminate between 16 and non-16 bit. Alternatively, the receiver could look at the incoming datastream and check for the number of least significant bits that are always set to 0 whilst the other bits do contain data. Most probably, if a receiver reports 23 bit, it got data with the only its LSB always set to 0 for some reason. In conclusion, AFAIK, there is no 100% reliable way to communicate the samplesize through S/PDIF. If you once and for all want to know what the SB is sending, I can simply put an analyzer on the output of my SB receiver (don't have a touch so YMMV). Yes that's what I meant... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84280 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch with USB drive : mastering TinySB
Mnyb;602040 Wrote: Maybe he is using internet sharing over his PC and does not have a router ? There is a bug with the touch that it requires a network connection to work even in local mode with USB HD . Internet does not need to work just the network conection I think ? Note that it can be server for aditional players even when using Tiny SC . But it is a network music player Small misunderstanding, sorry... I have a router that serves both the Touch and the PC, so no need to have the PC on. Good to hear that requiring a network connection in local mode is a bug and not a feature :) Is it reported somewhere? ...so I wait patiently for a fix. Regarding letting things in standby mode: I'm not that concerned about those few watts consumed but once a thunderstruck burned my whole PC setup. Nevertheless was my fault I haven't used over voltage protection but since then I don't leave things on stand-by. -- vzs vzs's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42968 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82070 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
I do have a specific question for you. How is the bitstream to the DAC actually improved? I fully understand the less is more concept, but does this affect/change the bitstream to cause the perceived improvements? Why do I perceive better treble extension and better imaging? Is only jitter, or is there more to it? -- Flextreme Flextreme's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42996 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
Flextreme;602176 Wrote: I do have a specific question for you. How is the bitstream to the DAC actually improved? I fully understand the less is more concept, but does this affect/change the bitstream to cause the perceived improvements? Why do I perceive better treble extension and better imaging? Is only jitter, or is there more to it? It's trivial to prove that the bitstream is unchanged... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
Flextreme;602176 Wrote: I do have a specific question for you. How is the bitstream to the DAC actually improved? I fully understand the less is more concept, but does this affect/change the bitstream to cause the perceived improvements? Why do I perceive better treble extension and better imaging? Is only jitter, or is there more to it? Since the actual data won't be affected, it has to be timing - jitter effects. This would also mean that your DAC has poor jitter rejection performance. Data integrity on all Squeezeboxes has been proved by DTS cinema stream data, any changes and it doesn't decode. -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
Exactly -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch with USB drive : mastering TinySB
vzs;602169 Wrote: Regarding letting things in standby mode: I'm not that concerned about those few watts consumed but once a thunderstruck in the flat I'm living burned my whole PC setup :( Nevertheless was my fault as I haven't used any over voltage protection but since then I don't leave things on stand-by. If you don't have surge protection then the only protection from a lightning strike is to unplug the device from the mains, or to switch it off at the mains via power strip or via the on/off switch that is integrated with the electrical outlets in some countries. An electrical surge doesn't care whether the equipment is on, in standby, or fully off. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82070 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] External USB memory - how?
Here (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Squeezebox_Touch_-_USB_Compatibility) they say that a SanDisk Cruzer USB Stick with 32GB would work. However, no details are given about its formatting. Still waiting for helpful tips... -- psch41 psch41's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42452 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84726 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
soundcheck;602139 Wrote: Hi folks. I forked this 'thread' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061) over here, since the title of that other thread was kind of misleading. ;) We were actually discussing my newest Toolbox 2.0 since quite some time over there. Since last weekend my Touch Toolbox 2.0 is available. If you have any comments/questions let me know. Since last weekend I'm continuously finetuning the blog based on the feedback I got. Just follow my signature to try the modifications. (Reading the blog for sure will be more time consuming that implementing the modifications.) :D Enjoy. Cheers Dear Klaus, Just wanted to add my heartfelt compliments and a huge THANKS to you for doing this for the community. Not only are the mods you've so kindly prepared for us super easy to apply (even for a non-technical person such as myself), but much more importantly, the end result is absolutely staggering. I simply couldn't believe my ears last night after the Touch did its last reboot, and and played a few of my favorite tunes. There's now just so much more of EVERYTHING! More sound, more music, more air, more soundstage, more presence, and overall, more relaxed, less nervous sound. Keep in mind that, due to the severe constraints in my current layout (I live in a very old house and hence cannot easily rearrange the wiring), I wasn't able to implement the disabling of the WLAN mod. I am planning to do that as soon as possible. Even so, the changes that all the other mods have cumulatively done to the transport are breathtaking, to say the least. I can only hope that, once I disable the wireless and go with the ethernet, as you strongly recommend, I will stand to reap even more benefits. Once again, thanks a million for giving us the ability to achieve such staggering improvements in the sound quality. -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] External USB memory - how?
The problem is that the Touch is NOT windows based, its linux based. A fair number of sticks include windows specific code which gets executed when you plug the stick into a windows computer. These will NOT work on a Touch. The things to look out for are anything which mentions special features such as security, passwords etc. This guarantees it uses windows specific code to access the stick. Any hint of special features means it probably will not work with the Touch. A lot of SanDisk sticks have special features. I've had much better luck with Kingston sticks. The secret is to go online and look at the specific model you are interested in and see if its compatible with linux, not just windows. Even though Kingston includes some special features with many of their sticks, they have specifically designed them so they will still work with linux. I have a several of these Kingston drives and they work great with the Touch. John S. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84726 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] ayre QB9 + touch USB
Some people have run a QB-9 with the Touch without any problems at all. So there has to be something DAC specific, Touch hardware specific or configuration specific. What I would like people to try is different sample rates say 44.1 VS 48 or 88.2 and 96. That should wind up exercising different crystals in the DAC. With a USB interface the rate data is sent to the DAC is NOT determined by the audio crystals but by the processor crystal which may not be given as much care in initial frequency accuracy. The result is that the data rate might be fairly far off from what it should be and the feedback loop in the asynchronous interface may not have enough time to get the computer sending the data at the right rate before the buffer over/under flows. I've been working with some others with async hardware and seeing some very strange things happening. The feedback loop IS working but sometimes the data rate gets set to something very bizarre. Unfortunately I can't get any of this to happen on my Touch so its hard to debug. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84621 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] External USB memory - how?
JohnSwenson;602250 Wrote: The problem is that the Touch is NOT windows based, its linux based. A fair number of sticks include windows specific code which gets executed when you plug the stick into a windows computer. These will NOT work on a Touch. The things to look out for are anything which mentions special features such as security, passwords etc. This guarantees it uses windows specific code to access the stick. Any hint of special features means it probably will not work with the Touch. A lot of SanDisk sticks have special features. I've had much better luck with Kingston sticks. The secret is to go online and look at the specific model you are interested in and see if its compatible with linux, not just windows. Even though Kingston includes some special features with many of their sticks, they have specifically designed them so they will still work with linux. I have a several of these Kingston drives and they work great with the Touch. John S. John S. I agree. Sandisk Flash drive come with allsorts of rubbish on them (back up stuff), often divided into partitions on the drive which are generally great for most people. They do however do a program free on their website that allows you to do a full format, merge these partitions and get rid of their proprietry programs. I use a Sandisk Flash drive that works just fine with my Touch once you can see the drive to it's full extent. Many modern Flash drives only show a very small partition to run their software to access the full lot and this is what you need to remove. Hope that helps. -- Waldo Pepper Waldo Pepper's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84726 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Numerous Rebuffering Failed messages on new SB Touch
Just a final update on this. I've given up on using wireless with the Touch, at least while it is in its current location. I purchased an ethernet over power kit and am no longer experiencing any buffering issues or dropouts. Just glad to be enjoying uninterrupted music once again. -- chemguy chemguy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84503 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] updating software
hi wj, thanks for that.i updated qnap to 7.5.1 and all is now ok.how do you find your touch as a trasport for your naim amp.i am using my touch into a ndac/supernait/hicap and i also have pmc speakers but the db1i's.i love the versatility of the touch with the naim sound.thanks again.kind regards scott -- scooot scooot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40654 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84710 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Registered Logitech product, got 20% off Touch!
I have 2 Touches and have been waiting for a good price to get a 3rd. I just went and registered one of my many Logitech products (took about 1 minute). Hopefully I get the same discount. -- windycitycy windycitycy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42894 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] External USB memory - how?
Thank you both, John and Waldo. Could you please tell me the capacity of the USB sticks which ran successfully for you? Cheers -- djitts djitts's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42741 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84726 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
Cool, I just compared my old SB 3 (synced) to the modded SQ Touch on my SuperNait. Because there is almost no delay switching back and forward (the supernait DAC takes about a second switching digital inputs), it was quite easy to compare. When I originally compared the touch to the SB3 after purchasing, it was extremely difficult to tell the difference. (mayby this is caused by the reclocking feature in the Supernait DAC) I compared the Touch with both the mod enabled and disabled to the SB 3. Guys... this is the real deal. Doing A/B comparisons between the unmodded Touch and SB3 ... they were very similar, like expected. Comparing the modded Touch to the SB3 is a revelation. The difference is large enough to make a blind A/B test absolute and a waste of my time. Clearly more detail in all frequencies (not only the treble as I originally thought). The result is: More AIR / Ambiance / Better positioning-separation of instruments / 3D rendering of the soundstage / realism. Highs do have more “impact/dynamics”, which is very welcome with the 'darker' sound of both my Supernait and Harbeth Super HL5. Textures are much better, especially with classical instruments. The considerable level of added resolution has the additional advantage that you get more musical impact at lower volume. What is so cool about this, before the mod I always felt I was missing out on something. I truly considered changing my set-up. Mayby go back to Nait 5i (that is where my NAIM love started), downgrade to Nait XS, mayby nDac would fix things. Or even change speakers (was considering PMC Fact.8). I thought I hit the limits of my system after the high-cap upgrade (which is undoubtely a fantastic upgrade), and especially that the resolution of the Harbeth's could not be bettered. Interestingly, I was also sceptical about the impact of jitter. I was so wrong in so many ways. I am sure I will get upgradetites some day, but for now, I can rediscover my SuperNait+Harbeth combo. I never tested it, but I can easily imagine that the improvement on the analog outputs is real. However, that the difference would be so obvious on the Supernait truly surprised me, especially because its DAC supposed to re-clock the bit stream. Klaus wrote the mod, and deserves a lot of credit. It is simple to implement if you follow his instructions carefully. I will donate a modest fee for his cause, he surely deserves it -- Flextreme Flextreme's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42996 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] External USB memory - how?
djitts;602306 Wrote: Thank you both, John and Waldo. Could you please tell me the capacity of the USB sticks which ran successfully for you? Also, can the Linux installed with the VortexBox software (( think, Fedora 14) do a format of the USB drive which Windows could still read? If so, a few hints on how to go about doing so would be much appreciated - I have not done done command line programming since Windows was born! Cheers I've used a 16G Kingston datatraveler without any need to reformat. Just use as is. I haven't used a 32G though. From looking at the web site I don't see why it wouldn't work. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84726 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Registered Logitech product, got 20% off Touch!
windycitycy;602290 Wrote: I have 2 Touches and have been waiting for a good price to get a 3rd. I just went and registered one of my many Logitech products (took about 1 minute). Hopefully I get the same e-mail. Good luck! I don't know if it was 'instantaneous' or not after she registered. -- Rick58 Rick58's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
