date:20110204


Guys.

Don't panic! Calm down. 

There is no rush to run into wild network reconfigurations. The
majority is running Windows anyhow, and those Linux based NASes seem to
perform as well as Windows. 

For now we're talking about a minority of Linux folks or better Ubuntu
folks in particular.

Fact is that different systems and system configurations do seem to
have an impact.

Now it's the task to figure out what's causing it. 

Stretch your legs for now.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-04 Thread chill


soundcheck;608161 Wrote: 
 Fact is that different systems and system configurations do seem to have
 an impact.

And according to your DIYAudio thread, this latest mod of yours makes
it difficult to distinguish between Windows and Ubuntu.

I have my own opinion about the source of the SQ difference.

It begins with 'i'.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-04 Thread bpa


Has network statistics been examined ?

Has anybody counted the number of data packets being sent ?  Does it
change between different settings ? It's possible that there is a TCP
segmentation issue and packets are segmented differently according to
different settings.

Has error / retrans counts on router, server and Touch been checked to
see whether one if the system is having more problems (e.g. being
overloaded) with one settings compared to the other.

Since many Linux system have a common source for the Ethernet driver
which is different to Windows - the issue could be in the driver.

Wireshark could be used to compare network streams to see whether the
settings change affects the contents of the packets or the dynamics of
the packet stream.

Can the Windows TCP registry settings be changed to match the bad
settings to see if SQ of Windows server can be downgraded.


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chill;608163 Wrote: 
 And according to your DIYAudio thread, this latest mod of yours makes it
 difficult to distinguish between Windows and Ubuntu.
 

Yep. You got it. 

Though it is not my latest mod. It is the first try to figure out
what's causing it. That's the whole intention of my Beta Blog - to
gather feedback from others about a subject under investigation.

I do realize that it was much too early to involve the crowd over here
and elsewhere in that discussion.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-04 Thread andynormancx


chill;608146 Wrote: 
 Thanks for the confirmation.  So it must be the optional half duplex mod
 that makes all the difference then
That is -one- of the possible explanations, yes.


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chill;608146 Wrote: 
 Thanks for the confirmation.  So it must be the optional half duplex mod
 that makes all the difference then

erm...dunno.
Half-duplex introduces collision detection - and lowers bandwidth.

I'm not sure we can have a logical discussion about this.

IF there is an effect, it is RFI/noise getting into the Touch via
ethernet cable. Nothing to do with TCP/IP or any of the logical OSI
layers per se.

However, of course the noise profile is subject to change according to
what is being sent electrically up/down the ethernet cable. I'm not
convinced this has anything to do with operating systems.

The first thing I would do is use CAT5 (unshielded) cable between
server-router and router-Touch to avoid RF bridging. Ferrite clamps at
both ends are also worth investigating.



Or use wi-fi!!!


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bpa;608164 Wrote:
Has network statistics been examined ?

Has anybody counted the number of data packets being sent ? Does it
change between different settings ? It's possible that there is a TCP
segmentation issue and packets are segmented differently according to
different settings.

Has error / retrans counts on router, server and Touch been checked to
see whether one if the system is having more problems (e.g. being
overloaded) with one settings compared to the other.

Since many Linux system have a common source for the Ethernet driver
which is different to Windows - the issue could be in the driver.

Wireshark could be used to compare network streams to see whether the
settings change affects the contents of the packets or the dynamics of
the packet stream.

Can the Windows TCP registry or device manager settings be changed to
match the bad settings to see if SQ of Windows server can be
downgraded.

Finally somebody with constructive feedback.

Yep - we tested windows with - bad settings - how you call it.
(I guess you mean the half duplex part). I just call it a setting.

Linux driver issue: As you've seen people compared a Linux based NAS
with W7. And here the result was similar.

I even tested on a 2.6.38-rc2 kernel. Just to make sure to have the
newest driver on board.

Feel free to run the traces. I do regard all this as a community
effort.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

Phil Leigh;608168 Wrote:

IF there is an effect, it is RFI/noise getting into the Touch via
ethernet cable. Nothing to do with TCP/IP or any of the logical OSI
layers per se.

How do yo know. Done your homework?

Ever looked into TCP/IP issues and parametrization? I doubt that.

Phil Leigh;608168 Wrote:

However, of course the noise profile is subject to change according to
what is being sent electrically up/down the ethernet cable. I'm not
convinced this has anything to do with operating systems.

Speculations over speculations. I can't believe that.

Phil Leigh;608168 Wrote:

The first thing I would do is use CAT5 (unshielded) cable between
server-router and router-Touch to avoid RF bridging. Ferrite clamps at
both ends are also worth investigating.

That you can read since almost a year on my blog. If you'd read my
blog.
You could have learned even more about the subject and ethernet cables
in particular.

Phil Leigh;608168 Wrote:

Or use wi-fi!!!

Enjoy your Wifi.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Wrong time showing on Touch?

2011-02-04 Thread alfista


empire_builder;607949 Wrote: 
 I suspected as much, because I am using the built-in sbs, so last night
 I connected to a pandora station -- this goes through mysb.com, right? 
 Or do I have to access something like the app gallery?  This morning the
 time is still off by the same amount.
While access to Pandora may use MySB in some way, you're still running
on the internal server. To connect to MySB I believe the procedure is
Settings  Advanced  Networking  Connect to MySB.


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soundcheck;608173 Wrote: 
 How do yo know. Done your homework?
 
 Ever looked into TCP/IP issues and parametrization? I doubt that.
 
 
 
 
 Speculations over speculations. I can't believe that.
 
 
 
 That you can read since almost a year on my blog. If you'd read my
 blog.
 You could have learned even more about the subject and ethernet cables
 in particular.
 
 
 Enjoy your Wifi.

By baselessly insulting and patronising me you merely make yourself
look even more foolish.

As a matter of fact, I was one of the first people outside of IBM to
get TCP running on OS/2 over Token Ring!

So yes I do know what I'm talking about, thanks. 

As for your ethernet mod: how is that OS-specific? all you are doing
is configuring the server NIC to run at 100Mbs half-duplex...so you are
simply forcing half-duplex, which reduces bandwidth. You can do the same
thing on ANY OS.


...and before you ask, yes I have compared SBS 7.6 on Ubuntu 10 vs XP
SP3 on different machines over Ethernet and guess what - THEY SOUND
IDENTICAL.


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Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-04 Thread pippin


soundcheck;608172 Wrote: 
 
 Linux driver issue: As you've seen people compared a Linux based NAS
 with W7. And here the result was similar.
 
similar as in some found Linux to be better (ReadyNAS) and some found
it to be worse?


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Phil Leigh;608179 Wrote:
By baselessly insulting and patronising me you merely make yourself look
even more foolish.

I don't think so. Your cynism is omnipresent.

You're the measurement guy over here who is not delivering anything,
since
weeks. If RMI/EMI makes it through the ground, who else around here has
the EQ to prove what he is saying.

Phil Leigh;608179 Wrote:

As a matter of fact, I was one of the first people outside of IBM to
get TCP running on OS/2 over Token Ring!
Phil Leigh;608179 Wrote:

When was that again.

Phil Leigh;608179 Wrote:

As for your ethernet mod: how is that OS-specific? all you are doing
is configuring the server NIC to run at 100Mbs half-duplex...so you are
simply forcing half-duplex, which reduces bandwidth. You can do the same
thing on ANY OS.

I know what I'm doing. I also know what half duplex means. I also
have a stonage degree on networking dear Phil.

...and before you ask, yes I have compared SBS 7.6 on Ubuntu 10 vs XP
SP3 on different machines over Ethernet and guess what - THEY SOUND
IDENTICAL.

Sound identical to your ears on your system. It's all relative.

BTW: Are you still running room equalitzation filtering on your Tacts
by the way?

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pippin;608181 Wrote: 
 similar as in some found Linux to be better (ReadyNAS) and some found
 it to be worse?

I would have to look it up. 

Whatsoever. Some peole hear nothing, some hear this, the others hear
that.
The OS seems to have an impact. For me a sign the have a closer look at
it.  
No more speculations to feed the sharks.

Each network itself has so many variables.

BTW: I was just informed by mail that I should not forget to have a
closer look at my Windows server network settings!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-04 Thread chill


Klaus, and anyone else who suspects that network comms are affecting SQ

I think it was Phil who offered a simple test.  Pull the ethernet cable
out of the back of your Touch while it is playing a track.  By
definition, all network comms will stop at that moment, but the Touch
will have around 40s of audio buffered internally (if you're streaming
FLAC, presumably less if streaming WAV, more if streaming lossy
compressed data), so you'll hear nothing but unadulterated playback of
buffered audio.

If pulling out the cable isn't practical for you, just wait until the
track reaches 40s from the end, at which point the buffer will stop
filling for about 30s (ie 10s before the start of the next track). I
guess that if you've only queued a single track, then even that final
10s will be free of network traffic too. (NB these are the
characteristics that I've observed on a Mac - it would be good to get
similar simple observations from servers on other operating systems)

This is surely a way for Klaus to gather wider feedback, since anybody
can do this, and he won't be limited to just those people with two
operating systems running.  I suspect that the same 40s quiet period
exists in wireless setups too (I'll check later), so the last 40s of a
track would be a nice place to test the effect of wireless comms.

So come on folks - let's help Klaus out here.  What differences do you
all notice during these golden 40s periods?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-04 Thread kiat


soundcheck;608191 Wrote: 
 I would have to look it up. 
 
 Whatsoever. Some peole hear nothing, some hear this, the others hear
 that.
 The OS seems to have an impact. For me a sign to have a closer look at
 it.  
 
 Each network itself has too many variables to come to a general
 conclusion, that's my guess.
 
 No more speculations from my side to feed the sharks.

Not to worry. In fact, I've been told I'm crazy when I told people the
sound improve when I put both my Dlink switch and ReadyNas Duo on a
Isolation transformer.  

I think the sound will be always better when SBS is accessing the
digital files directly then broadcasting to the SBT.  Accessing the
files via network and then re-broadcasting SBT via network has a
deterioration effect.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

chill;608197 Wrote:
Klaus, and anyone else who suspects that network comms are affecting SQ

I think it was Phil who offered a simple test. Pull the ethernet cable
out of the back of your Touch while it is playing a track. By
definition, all network comms will stop at that moment, but the Touch
will have around 40s of audio buffered internally (if you're streaming
FLAC, presumably less if streaming WAV, more if streaming lossy
compressed data), so you'll hear nothing but unadulterated playback of
buffered audio.

If pulling out the cable isn't practical for you, just wait until the
track reaches 40s from the end, at which point the buffer will stop
filling for about 30s (ie 10s before the start of the next track). I
guess that if you've only queued a single track, then even that final
10s will be free of network traffic too. (NB these are the
characteristics that I've observed on a Mac - it would be good to get
similar simple observations from servers on other operating systems)

This is surely a way for Klaus to gather wider feedback, since anybody
can do this, and he won't be limited to just those people with two
operating systems running. I suspect that the same 40s quiet period
exists in wireless setups too (I'll check later), so the last 40s of a
track would be a nice place to test the effect of wireless comms.

So come on folks - let's help Klaus out here. What differences do you
all notice during these golden 40s periods?

Good luck with that very intelligent cable pull test. My blood pressure
boils up while running back and forth pulling cables to catch the
effective slot of 10s.

I already hear the sharks commenting on non-compliant ABX testing.

Then I don't even know what kind of routines will start up on the OS
side, after pulling the plug. This can't be considered normal
operation.

Good luck to those who gonna give it a try.

And guys. You don't help M. You help yourself.
I'm not really interested if a QNAP 1234 or a Sheevaplug rev
performs any different from an Apple Mini.

I got a well working system at home. And I'm able to manage it quite
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Power Management - Energy Saving Switch

2011-02-04 Thread ri.widhalm


AndrueC;607330 Wrote: 
 It sounds like you and I have the same kind of set up. My touch is
 sharing a socket with pretty much all my A/V gear and I like to have
 them all powered off when no-one is likely to be around.

Pretty much - the only difference is that you are using an external SBS
running 24/7. My server is the touch itself.

Are there any other disadvantages when switching the power off every
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Power Management - Energy Saving Switch

2011-02-04 Thread garym


ri.widhalm;608211 Wrote: 
 Pretty much - the only difference is that you are using an external SBS
 running 24/7. My server is the touch itself.
 
 Are there any other disadvantages when switching the power off every
 night?

I have a touch and boom at a weekend place. I pull the plug on these
when gone and doesn't cause any issue. I restore power on arrival and
everything boots up and connects with no intervention from me. Works
well.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-04 Thread pippin


Indeed. One can feel your blood pressure going up here.

Sorry, but the style by which you comment here to people who even take
this discussion serious and contribute useful ideas on how to clear
things up just discredit everything you propose yourself.


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soundcheck;608209 Wrote: 
 Good luck with that very intelligent cable pull test. My blood pressure
 boils up while running back and forth pulling cables to catch the
 effective slot of 10s.
 
 I already hear the sharks commenting on non-compliant ABX testing.
 
 Then I don't even know what kind of routines will start up on the OS
 side, after pulling the plug. This can't be considered normal
 operation.
 
 Good luck to those who gonna give it a try.
 
 
 And guys. You don't help M. You help yourself. 
 I'm not really interested if a QNAP 1234 or a Sheevaplug rev 
 performs any different from an Apple Mini.
 
 
 I got a well working system at home. And I'm able to manage it quite
 well.

You have 40 seconds, not 10. If you can't hear a difference, then there
isn't one, right?


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Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] I need to buy a Squeezebox Touch

2011-02-04 Thread maggior


Do they have an existing audio system to plug a squeezebox touch into? 
If not, you might consider the Squeezebox Boom or Squeezebox Radio,
which are standalone units and may be better suited for your
application.  The Boom is stereo but has a monochrome display; the
Radio is mono, less power than the Boom, but has a color LCD screen.

You can purchase directly from Logitech.  You can also order from
Amazon and usually get a discount from list price.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] I need to buy a Squeezebox Touch

2011-02-04 Thread garym


maggior;608244 Wrote: 
 Do they have an existing audio system to plug a squeezebox touch into? 
 If not, you might consider the Squeezebox Boom or Squeezebox Radio,
 which are standalone units and may be better suited for your
 application.  The Boom is stereo but has a monochrome display; the
 Radio is mono, less power than the Boom, but has a color LCD screen.
 
 You can purchase directly from Logitech.  You can also order from
 Amazon and usually get a discount from list price.
 
 BTW, this is a cool use for a squeezebox; I'm sure your folks will
 enjoy it immensely.

yes, I bought a Boom for an 80+ year old. Set it up to listen to radio
stations from her hometown in France (she lives in US) and you'd think
this is the best present she's had in 50 years.  It's a very nice thing
to do. And if you keep in simple, anyone can use it.


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[SlimDevices: Touch] Home screen Squeezebox Touch : nil ?????

2011-02-04 Thread wowo


Since a couple of days the top of the home screen (- Now playing; - My
music etc.) of my Squeezebox Touch displays:
nil

I do not known what nil means and I thought that it should be display
NAS-Server.

I have disabled and restarted the Squeezebox Server and have reset the
Squeezebox Touch and reinstalled the Touch firmware, but nothing
helped.

Has anyone an solution?


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Build 1110T; QPKG SqueezeBoxServer 7.5.3
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] I need to buy a Squeezebox Touch

2011-02-04 Thread aubuti


I have no idea how tech-savvy your folks are, but at the risk of
sounding age-ist I think that unless they have an existing audio
system that they already use regularly, a Boom or a Radio may be a
better solution. The buttons-and-knobs interfaces are likely to be more
familiar, and more forgiving, than the touchscreen. And if the main
intent is to listen to radio stations from back home then the six
physical preset buttons are a _huge_ convenience.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Home screen Squeezebox Touch : nil ?????

2011-02-04 Thread wowo


I have found how I can change this:
In the SBS web-interface I could the the name of my Music System.

I changed nil in NAS-Server

I really do not who did changed that name 


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[SlimDevices: Touch] upgrading USB cable (or power supply)?


I finally have an external hard drive hooked directly into my Touch
working properly.  I am using analog outs on the Touch into a Rega Mira
3 integrated amp.  

I have very nice interconnects that I like between the Touch and the
amp, so my question is now if I would gain any value upgrading the USB
cable?  

I'm not looking at anything silly.  Just like $15-$20 for a very solid,
well-made one, or there is a hand made one on Audiogon for like $49.  

Any thought to whether this would benefit my setup?  

Also is there any final verdict on whether upgrading the power supply
has any benefit?  (if so are there any cheap solutions for under $100?)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Feature I want - Video Play

2011-02-04 Thread mbg


Not completely sure, but you may be able to use the transcoding support
(i.e. convert.conf, custom-convert.conf) along with the appropriate
transcoding binary to play the audio stream of a video file.

You'd just need to find a tool that would take the video file as input
and output only the audio stream in a supported format.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] upgrading USB cable (or power supply)?


Howard Turkster;608282 Wrote: 
 I finally have an external hard drive hooked directly into my Touch
 working properly.  I am using analog outs on the Touch into a Rega Mira
 3 integrated amp.  
 
 I have very nice interconnects that I like between the Touch and the
 amp, so my question is now if I would gain any value upgrading the USB
 cable?  I'm currently using the stock cable that came with the hard
 drive.
 
 I'm not looking at anything silly.  Just like $15-$20 for a very solid,
 well-made one...  or there is a hand made one on Audiogon for like $49
 that looks nice.  
 
 Any thought as to whether this would benefit my setup?  
 
 Also is there any final verdict on whether upgrading the power supply
 has any benefit?  (if so are there any cheap solutions for under $100?)

sorry... you're thinking of upgrading the USB cable connecting your
disk drive? - it won't make ANY difference to the sound!


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Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x
LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend
Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker  Chord Interconnect
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] upgrading USB cable (or power supply)?

2011-02-04 Thread kgturner


I suggest you try it for yourself and see if you hear a difference and
then decide if any difference you may or may not hear justifies the
price of admission. Asking for opinions here about upgrading cables
will typically end up with people who've never tried them telling you
they're not worth it. Personally, I don't think high end USB cables are
justified, but I haven't used one so who am I to really say? Good luck
and let us know.

Kevin T


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] My Album Art went poof!

2011-02-04 Thread themouse


MDDLMN;608068 Wrote: 
 This doesn't seem to work with mine. It just takes me back to the main
 menu and shows the volume bar after rebooting. I must be doing
 something wrong.
Are you sure you keep the volume-up key pressed and the remote pointing
the Touch all the time from the moment you press the reset button until
the Free your music appears?

MDDLMN;608068 Wrote: 
 Why do they keep messing up the album art? From what I understand the
 previous update screwed up the ability to show embedded art.
Mmmm I bought my Touch recently, and never could make it show any
embedded cover even though all my mp3 files have a correct embedded
300x300 cover, which shows perfectly in Winamp, WMP, TagRename and on
my Nokia phone. I finally came to the solution of having a folder.jpg
file in all my album folders, which is ok with me even though I find
it's a shame...


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[SlimDevices: Touch] touch plays from tv cable decoder?

2011-02-04 Thread aln


will touch play audio from a tv cable decoder via usb from decoder to
touch usb? Thanks. AL.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-04 Thread aubuti


magiccarpetride;608051 Wrote: 
 Anyone with dual OSX/Windows boot tried the comparison? I don't have a
 dual boot (only running Squeezebox server on OSX), but I'd really like
 to learn whether there are any audible differences between the two OSs.
But you have been arguing that what other people believe/hear is
irrelevant to one's own musical experience -- so what would it matter
if someone else could or couldn't detect an audible difference?
Self-esteem a little low today?  :-)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] upgrading USB cable (or power supply)?


Phil Leigh;608307 Wrote: 
 sorry... you're thinking of upgrading the USB cable connecting your disk
 drive? - it won't make ANY difference to the sound!

Yes, and thanks, I wasn't sure wheter it would, either.

I didn't think spending more on audiophile rca interconnects could be
worth the money, either, until I tried some and thought quite clearly
that they were worth it.

kgturner;608314 Wrote: 
 I suggest you try it for yourself and see if you hear a difference and
 then decide if any difference you may or may not hear justifies the
 price of admission. Asking for opinions here about upgrading cables
 will typically end up with people who've never tried them telling you
 they're not worth it. Personally, I don't think high end USB cables are
 justified, but I haven't used one so who am I to really say? Good luck
 and let us know.
 
 Kevin T

Thanks.  Yeah, I might just try out the $20 ones I've seen and see how
that works.  

Going from streaming wirelessly  to the hard drive/usb method I think
has upgraded sound quality noticeably.  So after that I thought I'd try
to firm up any other weak spots in the setup.  The crappy stock usb from
the hard drive to the Touch seemed like a natural area to scrutinize. 
But I know nothing about engineering or DIY audio and so have not the
faintest idea if this is a silly inquiry, due to the nature of USB data
transfer, etc., or not.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Can't Open File Problem

2011-02-04 Thread mraub1


No, they were downloaded from iTunes within the last month. iTunes
hasn't used DRM for years, as I understand it.


paulster;608130 Wrote: 
 Do these files have DRM protection on them? If so then they won't play.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] new touch, very happy

2011-02-04 Thread Rick58

fillmore;608129 Wrote:
rick, i got the pm. thanks for the info, guys.

some additional specific model info i have (which generates more
questions) managed to track down. sony model ht-ss2300 (discontinued)
apparently outputs 24/96:

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10151catalogId=10551langId=-1productId=8198552921665368399#specifications

the multichannel pcm seems to only accept hdmi. would a switch similar
to this be worth considering to go touch coax digital switch hdmi
receiver?

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=101cp_id=10114cs_id=1011405p_id=5369seq=1format=1#largeimage

i guess im also wondering if i need to connect it two ways, digital and
analog rca to take advantage of everything; multichannel, dts, 24/96
flac?

i ripped a couple of the talking heads brick set discs with dvda
explorer. the discs have two streams, 24/96 stereo and 24/96 six
channel...i presume the dts surround? each version ripped to wav and
converted to flac. does it sound like im on the right track? i just
wont be able to experience the multichannel until i can convert the pcm
from spdif out to hdmi inYou're getting way beyond me! with most of this,
but looking at the
manual, I saw that 'all digital audio jacks' (including, I would think,
the TV and Digital optical and digital connections) are compatible
with 32, 44.1, 48, and 96kHz sampling frequencies.

It also says to input multichannel digital audio from the DVD player,
set the digital audio output setting on the DVD player.

This sounds like it can accept MC digital audio on these jacks as
well.

It seems worth a try, just take an RCA interconnect cable, hook up the
RCA digital connections, and see what happens. Maybe start with the
sound turned down a bit, in case some noise comes out. If things aren't
compatible, hashy/white noise can be generated (I have heard this noise
when trying to play a 24 bit 176.4kHz FLAC file).

HTH, - Rick.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] new touch, very happy

2011-02-04 Thread Rick58


look on p. 41 of the manual ... talks about setting 'Auto' or 'PCM' as
the priority; says to set to 'PCM' if no sound comes out with the
'AUTO' setting.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] I need to buy a Squeezebox Touch

2011-02-04 Thread johnny baby


FYI, Logitech is currently selling the Boom for $199.99, which is a good
price.  (Amazon's current price is about $211.)  Check it out:


http://www.logitech.com/en-us/speakers-audio/wireless-music-systems/devices/4707?WT.ac=psE|4707||Image


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] I need to buy a Squeezebox Touch

2011-02-04 Thread eganders


Dad's reasonably tech savvy and he'll show Mom.  Dad's built tube amps,
preamps and speakers, many of his own design, for 60 years or so. He's
not bad on the computer, though age is a factor.

Both my brother and I have Squeeze products, so he's familiar with them
and doesn't want / need a Boom or a Radio - I suggested both as others
have recommended.  Instead, he's setup a small amp and preamp and plans
to connect the Squeezebox Touch to them.

I saw where both Logitech and Amazon are selling the Touch, but only at
full pop ($300 - yesterday's price), which seems steep.  They were on
sale for $170 or $180 last August.  If I'd only known then what I know
now.

Are there any offers that I can take advantage of out there, or a
discount code?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] new touch, very happy

2011-02-04 Thread fillmore


I was going to pick up the digital coax and play around with settings
this weekend.  I downloaded the manual, I guess actually reading it
might help.  Really didn't want to resort to dealing with a hdmi switch
because they do sound like a total cluster.  It doesn't sound like audio
of any great quality could escape the other end after that is
Frankenstein'ed together.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] new touch, very happy

2011-02-04 Thread tmauceri


Skinny;607286 Wrote: 
 
 
 squeezebox can indeed handle multichannel audio. It won't decode it,
 but if you have a DTS or DD track in a lossless file format, this can
 be streamed into an AV receiver with decoder just like any other track,
 no problem at all! Volume on SB must be at 100% and you must use an
 S/PDIF digital connection (coaxial or optical), that's all.
 
 
 
 -Skinny I tried this by ripping Donald Fagens Nightfly DVD-A in 5.1 to flac.
This disk is 48kHz same as DD or DTS so I assumed it would work but it
didn't, it played back in stereo, am I missing something?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Wrong time showing on Touch?

2011-02-04 Thread JohnSwenson


The Touch has two clocks, a realtime clock in hardware and the system
clock in software. When you display the time you are using the system
clock, which works from an interrupt using the regular processor clock.
Its not particularly good, it drifts around etc. The RTC keeps much
better time but the get time etc calls don't look at it.
Unfortunately its also not battery backed up so it forgets the time
when the Touch is unplugged. 

If you are running completely standalone with no connection to the
outside world your best bet is to leave the Touch running all the time
and periodically sync the system clock to the RTC. There is a linux
command to do this. You can also use a linux command to set the system
clock and then sync the RTC to the system clock, from then on sync the
system clock to the RTC. When this gets too far off you can manually
set the time again.

If you are running the internal server BUT have an internet connection
then its just a matter of connecting to an external server every so
often (either your own SBS or mysb.com)

It should theoretically be possible to have the Touch itself sync to an
NTP server, but I'm not sure if anyone has got that working. 

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch does not seem to update Album Art between Songs for songs in the same Album

2011-02-04 Thread ChrisJenkins


I have exactly the same problem with my huge library of MP3 files. All
album art is embedded in the files (no external are files) and SB Touch
shows same album art for all tracks in an album even when each track has
different art in the file. Interestingly, SB server and iPeng show the
correct art so it seems like this may be a problem with the software in
the Touch itself?

ANyone have any ideas about this?

Thanks,   Chris Jenkins


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Newbie with Questions for the Experts

2011-02-04 Thread tmauceri


tmauceri;607169 Wrote: 
 My question is reguarding iPeng and I am running it on an iPad. In
 playback there are 3 pages, the first shows the album art in full
 screen, the second shows all songs on the album with the song playing
 magnified, the third shows the album art some what darkened and a
 message saying searching for lyrics. I would love to have the lyrics
 displayed for the music I am playing. I assume I need a pluggin for
 this and I found the download, but I am not sure how to proceed. How do
 I get the pluggin to the VBA?
I figured this one out myself and the pluggin works great.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch does not seem to update Album Art between Songs for songs in the same Album

2011-02-04 Thread garym


ChrisJenkins;608366 Wrote: 
 I have exactly the same problem with my huge library of MP3 files. All
 album art is embedded in the files (no external are files) and SB Touch
 shows same album art for all tracks in an album even when each track has
 different art in the file. Interestingly, SB server and iPeng show the
 correct art so it seems like this may be a problem with the software in
 the Touch itself?
 
 ANyone have any ideas about this?
 
 Thanks,   Chris Jenkins

this has come up before and I think this is the way it works for now.
Even with different embedded images, it will use the image from track 1
or the folder.jpg image for all tracks from an album.


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[SlimDevices: Touch] Touch + Controller without running server?

2011-02-04 Thread Ravenik


I have Squeezebox Duet and I would like to buy Squeezebox Touch. I have
a question if I will be able to control Squeezebox Touch with
Controller without running Squeezebox Server? I just would like to use
Controller to browse USB library connected to S.Touch and all without
any PC computer running. Is it possible?

BTW. Is it correct that S.Touch can play .flac files from USB (for
example from pendrive)? I mean .flac files dumped from CDs using Exact
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-04 Thread magiccarpetride


aubuti;608326 Wrote: 
 But you have been arguing that what other people believe/hear is
 irrelevant to one's own musical experience -- so what would it matter
 if someone else could or couldn't detect an audible difference?
 Self-esteem a little low today?  :-)

I never said that. I said that if I'm enjoying something, and my peers
are applying peer pressure to try and convince me that I'm not actually
enjoying it, that if I succumb to their pressure I'd be suffering from
low self-esteem.

However, if I hear from someone that there is something nice to be had
over there, of course I'm going to become interested. That's not
suffering from low self-esteem.

For example, I was pretty pleased with my Touch, because I could hear
vast improvements in the sound quality over my Duet. All fine and
dandy. Then, one day, I learn about Soundcheck's mods, and how he and
some other people are raving about the improvements. Add to that the
fact that it costs nothing to try, and before you know it, I ended up
also doing the mods.

And guess what? They work miracles for my system! The sound is much
better, more revealing, I'm hearing oodles of beautiful musical details
that become hidden again the moment I undo the mods.

That much is clear.

Now, there are tight chested naysayers who, out of stupidity of
jealousy or envy, or just out of the fucked up inner need to be
contrarians, insist that I'm full of shit for claiming that I hear
improvements after applying Soundcheck's mods. 

To these tight chested people I say a very loud and clear fuck you!.

That's high self-esteem for ya!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Wrong time showing on Touch?

2011-02-04 Thread bojo60


Well, I just succeeded in automatically adjusting the time in my Touch.
Here is how you do it:
Log in to your sb as root
Create required directories for crontab

# mkdir -p /var/spool/cron/crontabs

# crontab -e

and add the next line:

0 * * * * /usr/sbin/msntp -r pool.ntp.org  /tmp/output 21

This will run the command every hour, on the hour and errors will be
appended to the file /tmp/output

(if you never used the vi editor then here is a short manual:
Letter i will start insert mode, then paste the crontab line.
The ESC button will get you back to command mode and ZZ will save and
exit.)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Artwork bug in TinySBS v7.5.3?

2011-02-04 Thread MDDLMN


Hi 808htfan,

others have the same problem:

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77652

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch + Controller without running server?


Run Touch standalone with usb drive.
Then it will also run a lite version off the server on the Touch
itself.
So Yes it will work.
All recent Squeezeboxes plays flac just fine.

Touch as music server, have a look in the wiki !


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] My Album Art went poof!

2011-02-04 Thread MDDLMN


themouse;608320 Wrote: 
 Are you sure you keep the volume-up key pressed and the remote pointing
 the Touch all the time from the moment you press the reset button until
 the Free your music appears?

Fairly certain yes. I press volume-up and keep it pressed, it shows the
volume bar. I then press the reset button and keep the volume-button
pressed. When it boots up I see the Free your music screen and it
takes me to the main menu and shows the volume bar again. 
Maybe I point it away from the Touch when I bend forward to press the
reset button. Will try again.

 
 Mmmm I bought my Touch recently, and never could make it show any
 embedded cover even though all my mp3 files have a correct embedded
 300x300 cover, which shows perfectly in Winamp, WMP, TagRename and on
 my Nokia phone. I finally came to the solution of having a folder.jpg
 file in all my album folders, which is ok with me even though I find
 it's a shame...

It never worked for me as well, but from researching on the boards I
found out it used to work (up until 7.5.1 IIRC).


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Reboot when browsing radio list of Chicago

2011-02-04 Thread indifference_engine


I've just seen this with SBS 7.5.3 on the Duet Controller.  Some users
of my Applet are experiencing a perpetual reboot of the controller
while others can use it without issue.  Is it something to do with
memory usage?

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-04 Thread praganj


magiccarpetride;608392 Wrote: 
  
 
 To these tight chested people I say a very loud and clear fuck you!.
 
 

I agree totally :) For me the soundcheck mods are also GREAT
improvement. Thank You Klaus !


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch + Controller without running server?

2011-02-04 Thread JohnSwenson


Yes you can use a duet controller to control the Touch, it doesn't
matter where the server is, internal, external or mysb.com. 

You DO need a wireless router up and running though. Both the Touch and
controller are wifi clients, they need an access point to mediate
between them. Even if you have the wireless on the Touch turned on it
won't talk directly to the controller. 

The duet had a mode where it would talk to a controller without a
wireless router, but the Touch does not have this. 

John S.


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[SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)


I posted a thread this morning about connecting a HDD directly to the
Touch and preferring its sound to streaming it wirelessly.  Even went
so far as to consider 'upggrading' the usb cable :)
(http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85405)

Well I figured before I do that I should figure how this thing sounds
hooked up via ethernet to a computer running the SBS.  Had never tried
this because my home computer is on a different level of the house and
hadn't been imaginiative enough to consider cheap server possibilities.


Anyway, I put a good amount of music on my wife's netbook, installed
SBS, and plugged it in via ethernet.  And WOW!

I don't think I'll be going back to running TinySB or to streaming
wirelessly ever again if I can help it. 

I have run my system before on a Rega Apollo cd player and other Rotel
players and frankly I think this is the best it has ever sounded.

Only problem is I can't use my wife's netbook forever.  What cheap
solutions are out there for me.

Would this work?

http://www.recoupit.com/Desktops/Dell/Optiplex-GX270/Dell-Optiplex-GX270-Computer-p9463103.html


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)

2011-02-04 Thread krochat


Howard Turkster;608444 Wrote: 
 Would this work?
 
 http://www.recoupit.com/Desktops/Dell/Optiplex-GX270/Dell-Optiplex-GX270-Computer-p9463103.html

Yes, with 2 caveats:

1) It needs more memory - probably 1 GB. Since it has 4 memory slots,
so that will cost another $30 or so.

2) The Vostro is a business machine and may have a relatively noisy fan
- so you should have a backup plan to put it outside the listening room

Regards,
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krochat;608447 Wrote: 
 Yes, with 2 caveats:
 
 1) It needs more memory - probably 1 GB. Since it has 4 memory slots,
 so that will cost another $30 or so.
 
 2) The Vostro is a business machine and may have a relatively noisy fan
 - so you should have a backup plan to put it outside the listening room
 
 Regards,
 Kim


They have another one with 500 mb.  Do you think that would be
sufficient if nothing else was running on it, or do you still think a
full gig?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Artwork bug in TinySBS v7.5.3?

2011-02-04 Thread 808htfan


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] My Album Art went poof!

2011-02-04 Thread 808htfan


MDDLMN;605944 Wrote: 
 I using the TinySB server with an 8GB USB drive. Firmware version is
 7.5.3 r9283. It updated recently, might this be the source of my
 troubles?

Just thought I'd add that I just noticed after upgrading to 7.5.3 and
doing a complete rescan (deleted .squeezebox folder) my Touch using
TinySBS and a USB HDD no longer shows artwork for any mp3 files.  I
have embedded art (500 x 500 or smaller, jpg) in all full albums as
well as in many 'singles', and a folder.jpg of the same image in each
album's folder. All my flac files (singles or full albums) show
artwork, as they did before.  In previous versions of TinySBS, mp3 full
albums would show artork and singles would not. In TinySBS 7.5.3, no mp3
files show art.

Some kind of bug here?

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] upgrading USB cable (or power supply)?

2011-02-04 Thread Goodsounds


Howard Turkster;608327 Wrote: 
 
 Going from streaming wirelessly  to the hard drive/usb method I think
 has upgraded sound quality noticeably

Don't get too excited. Most engineers will tell you that digital sound
doesn't vary by manner of transport. If it arrives without
interference, what arrives is the same no matter what horse it rode in
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)

2011-02-04 Thread rgro


Howard Turkster;608453 Wrote: 
 My only problem there is it costs more than the Touch itself.  I was
 more interested in a 'beater' computer or maybe a very cheap netbook in
 the 75-175 range.  Any suggestions there?

You can install the Vortexbox software on any suitable beater computer
you have around that will suffice as a server.  The s/w is a free
download from the Vortexbox website.  If you don't prefer the somewhat
enhanced functionality of the Vortexbox s/w (and its Linux-based
operating system), why not just install the SBS software on said same
beater computer?  A lot of folks here have done just that and it seems
to work just fine.  Currently, as a backup to my Vortexbox, I keep an
up to date copy of SBS installed on my Win7 desktop PC (which ran
everything just fine before I got the VBA).  Just keep in mind that
you'll likely decide that want to run your server 24/7, so aesthetics
and power consumption may or may not come into play.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)

2011-02-04 Thread krochat


Howard Turkster;608452 Wrote: 
 They have another one with 500 mb.  Do you think that would be
 sufficient if nothing else was running on it, or do you still think a
 full gig?

I ran the VortexBox software (Linux-based) on a slow-ish computer with
512Mb RAM and it wasn't very nice to use- I upgraded the memory to 1GB
and it got a lot faster.

If you want to run XP instead of the VortexBox image, I suspect it
would work in 512Mb, but the response of the web GUI might be pretty
bad. If you don't use the Web GUI it might work OK. How much RAM is in
your wife's netbook?

Regards,
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)

2011-02-04 Thread Audiofile


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)

2011-02-04 Thread Gerry123


Cheaper to go powerline ethernet adapters. IMHO.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)


Remember that you can run very long ethernet cables trouble free.
A typical setup is ethernet to the router from Touch and then also
ethernet cable from the server to the router, server can be tucked away
anywhere.

Remember that squeezeboxserver web-ui is avaible to all computers on
your local network, not only on the computer it is running on. The Hd
with the music can be mounted as a network share also remotely avaible
whatever you run as server does not to have monitor or keyboard other
than during the initial setup.

So thats a popular solution here :) turn any old clunker into a server
and put it into the basement.
There is 1000 ways to do it, so investigate some more


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My wife's netbook has 1gb.  Would it be unheard of to dedicate a netbook
solely for this?  (anybody else on this forum ever do it?)

Gerry123;608463 Wrote: 
 Cheaper to go powerline ethernet adapters. IMHO.

I had never heard of this.  Looks quite intriguing.  Would it provide
the same 'quality' of signal as a direct connection to a computer?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch Screen Display - larger fonts?


I used Erlands custom clock applet and it,s helper plugin to create a
now playing display with very large scrolling text on black backround
it worked nicely.

Now iuse iPeng or squeezepad on my iPad


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch + Controller without running server?


To state the obvius, compare the price of a low end IPad( or iPod touch
or android ).

The apps offered for the iThing's are magnitudes better than the
controller.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)

2011-02-04 Thread Gerry123


Howard Turkster;608467 Wrote: 
 My wife's netbook has 1gb.  Would it be unheard of to dedicate a netbook
 solely for this?  (anybody else on this forum ever do it?)
 
 
 
 I had never heard of this.  Looks quite intriguing.  Would it provide
 the same 'quality' of signal as a direct connection to a computer?...
 i.e. will I still hear the same improvements I heard when I went from
 streaming wireless to ethernet?

Not done it myself, I went the drilling holes and climbing ladders
route but others have reported that it's just as good as standard
ethernet. Some will disagree of course as is the nature of anything
audio. One thing is for sure, it's a hell of a lot more reliable than
wireless.

Best to have a look around the forum and research it a bit more before
you finally decide.

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Howard Turkster;608470 Wrote: 
 So do people drill holes in their floors and ceilings and run the
 ethernet cable that way?  Is that what you mean?  I don't know if I
 really want to go to that kind of trouble.

Yes it takes work but the cables are cheap.

Many people do wire up thier homes anyway, there are even tv's with
ethernet not to mention bluray players and game consols and nmt's. So a
modern HT or familly room setup migth have 5-6 networkable things. So
putting a network switch there is not uncommon.

And ethernet wall sockets in a loot off rooms is not unusual either.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] new touch, very happy

2011-02-04 Thread fillmore


Mnyb;608475 Wrote: 
 Yes that is lossles multichannel it wont work, only DD o Dts . Rip a Dts
 cd to a normal stereo wav o flac and try, it will playback as noise on
 the analog out but a ht reciever will find the Dts bits in the stream.
i was hoping youd read this.

so multichannel dvda 24/96 ripped to flac just gets dithered to
stereo?

ripped dts audio to wav is the only way to get true multichannel sound?
is the method of ripping, or software, the same as ripping a standard
16 bit cd...with eac or poweramp?


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fillmore;608476 Wrote: 
 
 
 ripped dts audio to wav is the only way to get true multichannel sound?
 is the method of ripping, or software, the same as ripping a standard
 16 bit cd...with eac or poweramp?

Yes rip the same way, but don't add replay gain tags.

24/96 you are given a choice by the software, most dvd-a contains both
2ch and 5.1 versions on the disc.
And mlp that DVD-A is encoded as, can have a function where a 5.1
stream have a  downmix table for 2 ch only equipment. This is up to
the disc author so there are many possibilities.

FLAC and WAV can carry many channels of audio, but you can use only 2
with a squeezebox or any other spdif device

For discrete digital lossles multichannel you need HDMI or propriotary
protocolls like MHR (3-4 paralell spdif with encryption used by
Meridian ) or one of thoose special firewire things denon or sony or
whatever have tried out.
But hdmi will bring it to the masses with blueray.


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