Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Announce: Enhanced Digital Output app - USB Dac and 192k Digital Ouput

2015-04-22 Thread john greenwood

This has probably been answered in this thread but my search didn't find
it.

In the testing I did earlier today, it appeared that selecting that as a
source activated the coaxial, optical and analog connections
simultaneously, but not the USB connection.  Query as to (1) whether it
can transmit frequencies higher than 96 kHz through either digital
connection and (2) if I can use either of those connections for DoP?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Deezer on squeezebox

2015-04-22 Thread pippin

If they are synced, not playing independent streams, they should only
use up one, the Touch will even act as a proxy if you are using
MySqueezebox.com.
Note that AFAIK this only works with the touch, if you use other
Squeezebox combinations you'd have to use LMS to only use one stream.

Of course I don't know how Deezer will eventually count in this case,
maybe they'd consider even multiple identical streams to SBS as only
one.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Announce: Enhanced Digital Output app - USB Dac and 192k Digital Ouput

2015-04-22 Thread paulster

john greenwood wrote: 
 Having said that, when I played one of my two native 192khz FLAC albums
 I hit the limits of my WiFi.   Lots of dropouts.  This does not bode
 well for DoP until I can figure out a practical way to connect the SBT
 via Ethernet.

You could consider PowerLine ethernet.  Not as robust as a cabled
solution, but should be much better than WiFi.



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[SlimDevices: Touch] Deezer on squeezebox

2015-04-22 Thread hjm80

I own a squeezebox touch and have a deezer premier+ account. I am
thinking about buying a squeezebox boom to sync with the touch but want
to use my deezer account for both. Does this use up 1 or 2 of my 3
deezer allowances? Please help. Not sure if I want to buy it if it takes
up more than one.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Announce: Enhanced Digital Output app - USB Dac and 192k Digital Ouput

2015-04-22 Thread Man in a van

john greenwood wrote: 
 This has probably been answered in this thread but my search didn't find
 it.
 
 In the testing I did earlier today, it appeared that selecting that as a
 source activated the coaxial, optical and analog connections
 simultaneously, but not the USB connection.  Query as to (1) whether it
 can transmit frequencies higher than 96 kHz through either digital
 connection and (2) if I can use either of those connections for DoP?


Digital Coax out of the Touch with EDO installed will do 24/192

I think the optical is limited to 24/96

Can't say about DOP



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Announce: Enhanced Digital Output app - USB Dac and 192k Digital Ouput

2015-04-22 Thread PasTim

john greenwood wrote: 
 This has probably been answered in this thread but my search didn't find
 it.
 
 In the testing I did earlier today, it appeared that selecting that as a
 source activated the coaxial, optical and analog connections
 simultaneously, but not the USB connection.  Query as to (1) whether it
 can transmit frequencies higher than 96 kHz through either digital
 connection and (2) if I can use either of those connections for DoP?
I think you need LMS 7.8 for 192khz unless you are using only native
flacs (see 1st post on this thread).  Coax seems to be most likely to
support it, optical and USB often somewhat less, depending on the DAC.



LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16-24 bit,
44.1-192kbps. LMS  Squeeze2upnp to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp  ESLs) 
Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers.  Minimserver (server)  upplay (control
point) to same renderers  to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.  Squeezelite to
Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones.  Wireless Xubuntu 14.04
laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with
Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver.   Have a Touch
with EDO, and a spare, but don't use.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Announce: Enhanced Digital Output app - USB Dac and 192k Digital Ouput

2015-04-22 Thread john greenwood

Just did some more experimenting (with 7.7.3).  When I select digital
out using coax or USB out, I can get 192khz.  When I select
digital+analog I can only get 96khz on coax (i.e. the same as a non-EDO
SBT).  For the moment, I am leaving EDO installed as it increases my
options, although it doesn't solve the lost music problem entirely.

Having said that, when I played one of my two native 192khz FLAC albums
I hit the limits of my WiFi.   Lots of dropouts.  This does not bode
well for DoP until I can figure out a practical way to connect the SBT
via Ethernet.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Announce: Enhanced Digital Output app - USB Dac and 192k Digital Ouput

2015-04-22 Thread Mnyb

If the bandwith is somewhat weak via wi-fi or powerplugs . Make sure you
send natively flac and does not transcode to wav on the server .




Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x
MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3
sub.
Bedroom/Office: Boom
Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4
Misc use: Radio (with battery)
iPad1 with iPengHD  SqueezePad
(spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller )
server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Announce: Enhanced Digital Output app - USB Dac and 192k Digital Ouput

2015-04-22 Thread john greenwood

Mnyb wrote: 
 If the bandwith is somewhat weak via wi-fi or powerplugs . Make sure you
 send natively flac and does not transcode to wav on the server .

Is there a setting for that in LMS?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Cannot Access Radio Stations

2015-04-22 Thread johnreid

toby10 wrote: 
 LMS  Control Panel  Diagnostics, what is reported for ALL pings,
 ports, IP's?  tried stopping  restarting LMS?
 
 If you go to Touch  Settings  Advanced  Networking  Switch to
 MySqueezeBox.com, does it work then?

I have not tried that, but it is up and running now with internet
streams. I don't know what happened, but the computer was shut down
overnight, and this afternoon, I went and tried the Touch. I went right
to Favourites and there were my programmes. It has been playing all
afternoon. I fired up the computer, turned on LMS, and so far, I have
had no problems.

The next time there is a problem, I shall try your solution. My
interpretation was that the Touch was not seeing the Router for access
to the internet, but it was seeing the router to play music from my HD!

Thanks,

John Reid



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Announce: Enhanced Digital Output app - USB Dac and 192k Digital Ouput

2015-04-22 Thread Mnyb

john greenwood wrote: 
 Is there a setting for that in LMS?

Yes in the file types setting , but if you did not know you probably
have not changed anything there .

I just assumed that you had flac files , maybe your hires files was
something else .

But most likely 24/196 over wifi is marginal anyway .




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Misc use: Radio (with battery)
iPad1 with iPengHD  SqueezePad
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Announce: Enhanced Digital Output app - USB Dac and 192k Digital Ouput

2015-04-22 Thread Man in a van

john greenwood wrote: 
 
 
 One way around this might be to-* install the EDO and use a USB
 connection*-.  However, a search of this thread reveals there have been
 some problems in the past getting the EDO to work with the Teac UD-501. 
 Have the problems with the 501 been resolved?  Has anyone tried it with
 the 301?  
 
 


John, you can install the EDO and continue to use the digital outputs.

The best way is to try it and see :p

atb

Ronnie.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Announce: Enhanced Digital Output app - USB Dac and 192k Digital Ouput

2015-04-22 Thread Man in a van

john greenwood wrote: 
 So I did.  The install worked, and using the USB connection reduced, but
 did not eliminate, the problem.  Instead of losing a second or two of
 music, I was losing a fraction of a second - say, the attack on the
 first note - and only when I went from redbook to hi rez, not the other
 way around.  
 
 But it still irritated me.  After some reflection, I uninstalled EDO, as
 for the near term, my best workaround is to keep both analog and digital
 outputs active.  (Note - is that now possible with EDO?  The original
 post said no, but, it appeared to be an option.)  That way, for focused
 listening to a hi rez recording, I can switch and simply restart the
 first track.  For playlists (which for me means background listening)
 I'll continue to use the Touch's analog outputs.


Instead of usb, select digital output and use a co-ax cable.

Remember that it is the Dac causing the problem, not EDO. 

Did you try any of the options offered by the EDO install?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Announce: Enhanced Digital Output app - USB Dac and 192k Digital Ouput

2015-04-22 Thread Man in a van

Man in a van wrote: 
 Instead of usb, select digital output and use a co-ax cable.
 
 Remember that it is the Dac causing the problem, not EDO. 
 
 Did you try any of the options offered by the EDO install?



John, you can also try this (it's a long shot)

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?93310-Async-USB-Dac-Experiments-testers-wanted/page32


I don't have my touch here at the moment, but will try it later today.


Ronnie



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Cannot Access Radio Stations

2015-04-22 Thread toby10

LMS  Control Panel  Diagnostics, what is reported for ALL pings,
ports, IP's?  tried stopping  restarting LMS?

If you go to Touch  Settings  Advanced  Networking  Switch to
MySqueezeBox.com, does it work then?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Announce: Enhanced Digital Output app - USB Dac and 192k Digital Ouput

2015-04-22 Thread john greenwood

Man in a van wrote: 
 John, you can install the EDO and continue to use the digital outputs.
 
 The best way is to try it and see :p
 
 atb
 
 Ronnie.

So I did.  The install worked, and using the USB connection reduced, but
did not eliminate, the problem.  Instead of losing a second or two of
music, I was losing a fraction of a second - say, the attack on the
first note - and only when I went from redbook to hi rez, not the other
way around.  

But it still irritated me.  After some reflection, I uninstalled EDO, as
for the near term, my best workaround is to keep both analog and digital
outputs active.  (Note - is that now possible with EDO?  The original
post said no, but, it appeared to be an option.)  That way, for focused
listening to a hi rez recording, I can switch and simply restart the
first track.  For playlists (which for me means background listening)
I'll continue to use the Touch's analog outputs.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Announce: Enhanced Digital Output app - USB Dac and 192k Digital Ouput

2015-04-22 Thread john greenwood

Man in a van wrote: 
 Instead of usb, select digital output and use a co-ax cable.
 
 Remember that it is the Dac causing the problem, not EDO. 
 
 Did you try any of the options offered by the EDO install?

I understand it is the DAC, but short of sending that back, my only
option is to find settings on the SBT that play nicely.  And after
trying a number of settings and connections, I have reluctantly
concluded that the EDO is not a complete solution for me.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Announce: Enhanced Digital Output app - USB Dac and 192k Digital Ouput

2015-04-22 Thread john greenwood

Man in a van wrote: 
 John, you can also try this (it's a long shot)
 
 http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?93310-Async-USB-Dac-Experiments-testers-wanted/page32
 
 
 I don't have my touch here at the moment, but will try it later today.
 
 
 Ronnie

Thanks for this (although, to be honest, I'm not sure what part of the
thread you wanted me to focus on:) ).  Just FYI - after installing the
EDO, I did try the kernel updater, changing the buffer size, and the
different cable connections.  They did not solve the problem.  And one
tweak caused the machine to shut down, requiring me to unplug and replug
it.  I took that as a sign.

I also sent an e-mail to Teac support.  Maybe the fix will be in some
forthcoming firmware upgrade for the DAC.  For the moment, I'm simply
going to live with this nit.



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