Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to improve Touch sound?
Peter Galbavy wrote: We don't want none of your stinking rationalism and science here! :) - for the humour impaired. Science and sound quality. When did this start?? Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95998 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to improve Touch sound?
Waldo Pepper wrote: Don't be so silly. Burn in is a term used for long term reliability and failure analysis of components and component equipment. The sound won't change, just your perception of it. What is digital glare? Up there with colour and ambience? We don't want none of your stinking rationalism and science here! :) - for the humour impaired. Peter Galbavy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32718 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95998 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to improve Touch sound?
ivanyiu wrote: Hi Guido, Then I try to follow SBGK's suggestion to update the values. The crackling gone. but command tt -s show that kernel modification disabled. I wonder if I do anything wrong, do you also get the kernel modification disabled with the tt -s command? It's fine with that message, it's actually still enabled. The code that reports that is just looking at one value that is typically changed with the default tt script, but not with the SBGK values. HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95998 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to improve Touch sound?
Dazed and Confused wrote: Thanks for your advice so far. I suppose all electronics need a 'burn in' time so I'll leave it playing for a while and see if the digital glare diminishes. Don't be so silly. Burn in is a term used for long term reliability and failure analysis of components and component equipment. The sound won't change, just your perception of it. What is digital glare? Up there with colour and ambience? Waldo Pepper's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95998 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to improve Touch sound?
guidof wrote: I use EDO and I also use TT3.0 and SBGK's blog values. In my experience and to my ears, each of these has enhanced the sound of my main system. I do not find them to yield a particularly 'digital' sound -- and I don't find the sound of the unvarnished SBT, with or without external DAC to be 'digital' either, by which I mean I don't find it edgy, shrill, or tipped up in the high frequencies. I also have digitized a few of my LPs, and I don't find the resulting transfers in any way 'digital' in sound. By this, I'm not suggesting SBGK and some other forum members are imagining things. We each listen with different ears and expectations and through different systems in different rooms. Personally, I think this is just the way it should be. If your system does not sound 'digital' to you, enjoy it and the music it lets you hear. Best, Guido F. Hi Guido, I try to get what setting you're using to work in my system by failed. I use a USB DAC, with EDO only it work fine. Intalled TT tt -i, the playback start crackling. resume to normal with tt -r Then I try to follow SBGK's suggestion to update the values. The crackling gone. but command tt -s show that kernel modification disabled. I wonder if I do anything wrong, do you also get the kernel modification disabled with the tt -s command? ivanyiu's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57634 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95998 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to improve Touch sound?
ivanyiu wrote: Hi Guido, I try to get what setting you're using to work in my system by failed. I use a USB DAC, with EDO only it work fine. Intalled TT tt -i, the playback start crackling. resume to normal with tt -r Then I try to follow SBGK's suggestion to update the values. The crackling gone. but command tt -s show that kernel modification disabled. I wonder if I do anything wrong, do you also get the kernel modification disabled with the tt -s command? I'm sorry, I use SPDIF (Toslink) into my DSPeaker Dual Core DAC/EQ, not USB, so I cannot replicate your problem. Earlier on, I tried USB via a VLink II USB to SPDIF converter, and had no problem with crackling. Try varying the order in which you load TT, EDO, and SBGK. If that does not work, I would suggest dropping TT from the mix. Best, Guido F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95998 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to improve Touch sound?
guidof wrote: No tweaks to TT before installing it. No vollock, though. However, I do apply SBGK's blog values after TT is installed. Regards, Guido F. Thanks Guido! I'll look into these. Best wishes, Peter Rosewind's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33346 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95998 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to improve Touch sound?
Guido. Thanks. D#243; you tweak TT 3.0 in any way before you install it after the Triode app? Best wishes, Peter Rosewind's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33346 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95998 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to improve Touch sound?
Rosewind wrote: Guido. Thanks. Do you tweak TT 3.0 in any way before you install it after the Triode app? Best wishes, Peter No tweaks to TT before installing it. No vollock, though. However, I do apply SBGK's blog values after TT is installed. Regards, Guido F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95998 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to improve Touch sound?
SBGK wrote: the dac won't help, unless you are after better sound quality. TT3.0 has been reported as making the sound very digital. I posted some ideas in my blog, see signature below A cost effective way to improve the ps is http://www.squeeze-upgrade.com/index.php?language=en otherwise, try putting a cloth over the tweeter I bought an S-Booster a while back figuring that for the price I didn't have much to lose. I left it in for a few weeks and forgot about it. Then a couple of weeks ago I decided to pull it out. I found the sound became more lively without it. Was I imagining things? Anyhow, yesterday I popped it back in and things sounded dull again. Sometimes it's a compromise between smooth and dull vs harsh and lively. I'll give it another try but for now I find my sound to be as smooth as it'll probably get with the Touch. (or maybe I'm imagining things...) A sidenote - After owning it for several months I decided to give my Oppo BDP-93 a try as a transport(PC running Mezzmo---ethernet---Oppo---S/PDIF---EE DAC). To me it bettered the Touch + CIA Power supply + EDO + TT3.0 + SBGK in every way. The tradeoff, in this case, is that it's not as user friendly as the Touch. Turnandcough's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95998 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to improve Touch sound?
Turnandcough wrote: Sometimes it's a compromise between smooth and dull vs harsh and lively. I'll give it another try but for now I find my sound to be as smooth as it'll probably get with the Touch. (or maybe I'm imagining things...) Two comments. First, I find recordings to be far more variable than anything I do to my system. Sometimes the tweak that best highlights one recording brings out the worst in another. The problem in trying to fix things that way is it quickly becomes a dog chasing its own tail. Second, humans have very vivid imaginations and it is very easy to make grand declarations about small changes. The nice thing for the person playing recordings in their home is that the only thing that really matters is that they are happy with their system. mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95998 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to improve Touch sound?
mlsstl wrote: The nice thing for the person playing recordings in their home is that the only thing that really matters is that they are happy with their system. Indeed! Guido F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95998 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to improve Touch sound?
Actually I'm quite happy with my humble Touch based system. I was an early SB adopter and have converted many to it. I#8217;m most happy when I play random music and do things about the house. It allows me to listen to the music, not the system. But just like the people who own megabuck systems I inevitably end up on one of these forums and the tweaking starts over again. It's OK, it's part of the game. What I'm saying is that with the Oppo feeding my DAC, violin is sweeter, piano sounds meatier and muted trumpets are a little bit easier to listen to with the volume past 9 o'clock. Navigating the menu is another story and I still haven#8217;t figured out how to select genres and play my music folder randomly#8230;yet. So the Touch remains my go to source...for now. And yeah Pat Barber Café Blue sounds good no matter what. I save Stones fingernails on a blackboard records for my crappy car stereo. Turnandcough's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95998 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to improve Touch sound?
Dazed and Confused wrote: Just set up Touch for the first time. FLAC files are being fed via a wired connection from a Synology DS212+ NAS, then into amp (analogue) using the supplied leads and thenspeakers. The sound is very digital, ie bright and and I want to know ways of making it less digital. I have read that power supplies can help and also feeding into a stand alone DAC then into the AMP. the dac won't help, unless you are after better sound quality. TT3.0 has been reported as making the sound very digital. I posted some ideas in my blog, see signature below A cost effective way to improve the ps is http://www.squeeze-upgrade.com/index.php?language=en otherwise, try putting a cloth over the tweeter SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95998 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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SBGK wrote: the dac won't help, unless you are after better sound quality. TT3.0 has been reported as making the sound very digital. Could you please clarify? Which Soundcheck mods make the Touch more digital-sounding? This is news to me. Best wishes, Peter Rosewind's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33346 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95998 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to improve Touch sound?
Rosewind wrote: Could you please clarify? Which Soundcheck mods make the Touch more digital-sounding? This is news to me. Best wishes, Peter I use EDO and I also use TT3.0 and SBGK's blog values. In my experience and to my ears, each of these has enhanced the sound of my main system. I do not find them to yield a particularly 'digital' sound -- and I don't find the sound of the unvarnished SBT, with or without external DAC to be 'digital' either, by which I mean I don't find it edgy, shrill, or tipped up in the high frequencies. I also have digitized a few of my LPs, and I don't find the resulting transfers in any way 'digital' in sound. By this, I'm not suggesting SBGK and some other forum members are imagining things. We each listen with different ears and expectations and through different systems in different rooms. Personally, I think this is just the way it should be. If your system does not sound 'digital' to you, enjoy it and the music it lets you hear. Best, Guido F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95998 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to improve Touch sound?
guidof wrote: I use EDO and I also use TT3.0 and SBGK's blog values. In my experience and to my ears, each of these has enhanced the sound of my main system. I use SBT (Tiny SC server) with EDO connected via USB to a Cambridge Audio Magic 100 (thanks to Triode's great job). In this configuration, I don't think any other tweaking is necessary (TT3.0 or other parameter tuning) given that the DAC is fed with raw binary data, and the data transfer rate is good enough (no stall). Am I right ? pgeorges's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56903 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95998 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to improve Touch sound?
pgeorges wrote: I use SBT (Tiny SC server) with EDO connected via USB to a Cambridge Audio Magic 100 (thanks to Triode's great job). In this configuration, I don't think any other tweaking is necessary (TT3.0 or other parameter tuning) given that the DAC is fed with raw binary data, and the data transfer rate is good enough (no stall). Am I right ? I don't know if any further tweaking is necessary. I would suggest you try it with and without tweaks, then decide for yourself. Happy listening! Guido F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95998 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to improve Touch sound?
Dazed and Confused wrote: Just set up Touch for the first time. FLAC files are being fed via a wired connection from a Synology DS212+ NAS, then into amp (analogue) using the supplied leads and thenspeakers. The sound is very digital, ie bright and and I want to know ways of making it less digital. I have read that power supplies can help and also feeding into a stand alone DAC then into the AMP. I haven't seen this mentioned in the other messages, but how did you make the comparison that led to the conclusion the Touch is bright sounding? When I got my first Squeezebox, I compared CDs played on my CD player against the exact same music ripped to lossless format (FLAC) through the player. I started the two sources as closely in sync as I could and level matched them so the volume was the same, then switched the amp's input control between the two. I could not reliably hear any difference in sound quality. Expectations and subconscious influences have a big impact on what we hear, so do some carefully setup comparisons and give yourself a bit of time to adjust to the new device in your system. mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95998 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Yes, the question bright compared to what? has been asked at least twice, but not answered yet. And good point re expectations, especially with the OP's equating of bright with digital (as if CDs were analog...). aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95998 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to improve Touch sound?
Dazed and Confused wrote: Just set up Touch for the first time. FLAC files are being fed via a wired connection from a Synology DS212+ NAS, then into amp (analogue) using the supplied leads and thenspeakers. The sound is very digital, ie bright and and I want to know ways of making it less digital. I have read that power supplies can help and also feeding into a stand alone DAC then into the AMP. My solution: http://beeradvocate.com/ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95998 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to improve Touch sound?
I would echo the advice of the others but would also suggest that you consider doing one or both of the following. One load the Triode EDO App this does seem to help the SBT and adds some naturalness to the output (I am talking about digital only as that is all I use ) . Two take the time and load the Toolbox 3.0. If you can live with the whole package (no screen , no remote , no wi fi ) then you will hear a good level of improvement in the sound quality which makes the SBT sound more natural and increases the sound stage . Lastly if youy wish (and I would strongly advise a sale or return trial) buy and improved Linear power supply there are a number out there . http://markgrantcables.co.uk/ do one that I think is good and is not too expensive . This last is not agreed with by many and they view it as not worth doing. I found it made a small but significant difference and would describe it a the icing on the cake , nice to have but not essential. The above can make quite a large difference to the SBT for just a bit of your time . With Toolbox you can control and turn on and off those features that you do and do not need . Each one you add takes a little away from the best possible sound but again it is not that much and if you need the screen to navigate (lots of users have Andorid Phones and Iphones as controllers , I use a duet Controller because it was on sale in the uk cheap) and infr red remote then you have to keep them on. bencat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=54878 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95998 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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dood wrote: If you are happy with the sound of your set up with a different source, eg CD player, then the problem is not your amp or speakers. In that case an external DAC will make the most difference, certainly more than power suppiles, cables etc. Possibly. However, I have three Touches. One outputs to an external DAC. Two use the Touch internal DAC. If anything, the internal DAC tends to tame both frequency extremes. Since the OP complains of sound that is too bright and 'digital', it is unlikely that an external DAC will help. it's also quite doubtful that a different power supply will help, for the same reason. But we all listen for different clues and to different kinds of music, so it's certainly worth a try if the OP can borrow a good DAC. Nothing like listening with one's own ears! Guido F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95998 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Dazed and Confused wrote: Thanks for your advice so far. The rest of my system (amp speakers) is as follows: Luxman L-505u Integrated Amplifier Audiosmile Kensai speakers. I suppose all electronics need a 'burn in' time so I'll leave it playing for a while and see if the digital glare diminishes. I do keep reading that the power supply is best ditched and replaced by something 'better', but the most of these replacements seem to exceed the price of the Touch itself! Your Luxman is very probably not the culprit. I'm not familiar with your speakers, but you may try playing with their placement and different toe-in angles. There is nothing that needs burn-in time in the Touch. But it's still a good idea to listen to a variety of music over a few weeks so that you may fully familiarize yourself with the sound and decide whether or not it meets your expectations. Happy listening! Guido F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95998 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to improve Touch sound?
guidof wrote: There is nothing that needs burn-in time in the Touch. But it's still a good idea to listen to a variety of music over a few weeks so that you may fully familiarize yourself with the sound and decide whether or not it meets your expectations. Agreed. My earlier suggestion about giving the Touch a few days' listening was entirely about giving the device a fair hearing and not at all about burn-in. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95998 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to improve Touch sound?
Dazed and Confused wrote: Just set up Touch for the first time. FLAC files are being fed via a wired connection from a Synology DS212+ NAS, then into amp (analogue) using the supplied leads and thenspeakers. The sound is very digital, ie bright and and I want to know ways of making it less digital. I have read that power supplies can help and also feeding into a stand alone DAC then into the AMP. In my experience and with my systems (see sig below) the sound of the Touch, either through the digital or the analog out, is not particularly bright or 'digital'. Aubuti's advice is good: listen for a while before spending money on new equipment. But if after a few weeks you still find the sound objectionable, then you may want to focus on that which may actually make a significant difference in sound: primarily speakers, speaker and listening chair placement, and room. Amps, preamps (if any) and DACs can have an effect on sound, but their contribution is generally far less evident than that of speakers and room. Hope this helps, but feel free to tell us more about your equipment, room, listening habits, etc., if you would like further advice. Regards, Guido F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95998 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
