Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Reinstalled 7.5.5 but now SBS insists on 7.6
castalla;644386 Wrote: Yes but offering an update to a version to that below the server is not normal, is it? This problem has plagued me for ages and have just come to these forums looking for information to find this comment. My squeezeboxserver is current debian-testing which is 7.5.6. This installs firmware v130 on my sb. However, I use mysb.com frequently and I find that it often blanks out and doesn't respond to the remote. Sometimes it prompts me for a software update, and when i do that it goes to v137 which then seems to work fine. However immediately after that update, I can't go back to squeezeboxserver because it just prompts me for another update (even though 134 is 137?). How can I get around this cycle? My sb never used to do this. This problem has been introduced only in the last 18 months or so. -- bulletmark bulletmark's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15014 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89103 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Reinstalled 7.5.5 but now SBS insists on 7.6
bulletmark;645168 Wrote: . How can I get around this cycle? My sb never used to do this. This problem has been introduced only in the last 18 months or so. You can't. If your SBS server version is not the same as the MySB server version then you will always be prompted to upgrade/downgrade on every server switch. The only way to avoid this is to not switch servers or update your SBS to the same version as MySB, currently 7.6 -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89103 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Reinstalled 7.5.5 but now SBS insists on 7.6
toby10;645198 Wrote: The only way to avoid this is to not switch servers or update your SBS to the same version as MySB, currently 7.6 Well you've pointed me to the problem. I am running squeezeboxserver on ubuntu using the debian testing apt source which is 7.5.6~32834. I just checked and stable = 7.6.0, unstable = 7.6.1~32935. Testing version is supposed to be between stable and unstable so clearly logitech/slimdevices have a problem with the testing repository and have had these problems for a long time. I will change to stable and leave it there. -- bulletmark bulletmark's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15014 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89103 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Reinstalled 7.5.5 but now SBS insists on 7.6
Since doing the 7.6 update, the SBT doesn't recognise the server (no IP addr) when wired ethernet. With wireless, it can't find DHCP. I wish I had the missing artwork problem, I now have nothing Done Factory Reset (after rebooting router which did nothing) What should I try next, get on to logitech? Thanks everyone -- steveb steveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39600 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89103 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Reinstalled 7.5.5 but now SBS insists on 7.6
steveb;644802 Wrote: Since doing the 7.6 update, the SBT doesn't recognise the server (no IP addr) when wired ethernet. With wireless, it can't find DHCP. I wish I had the missing artwork problem, I now have nothing Done Factory Reset (after rebooting router which did nothing) What should I try next, get on to logitech? Thanks everyone I'd try a complete network reboot including router, computer, players. -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89103 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Reinstalled 7.5.5 but now SBS insists on 7.6
Having been in the software business for 30 years, I learned never to install an upgrade 'just because it was there'. You upgrade software to 'get something' you want. And you are willing to take the risk of upgrading, because you want that 'something' badly enough. -- Cut-Throat Cut-Throat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43167 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89103 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Reinstalled 7.5.5 but now SBS insists on 7.6
What an utterly unhelpful and pointless comment! -- castalla castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89103 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Reinstalled 7.5.5 but now SBS insists on 7.6
'If you have the time, it would be great if you could post about these problems also in the official support forum, so the Logitech support staff gets aware of it and doesn't recommend all users to downgrade to 7.5.5 so they will get these issues instead. The official support forum can be found here: http://forums.logitech.com ' Been there - done that. A waste of time as far as I can tell - countless reports of woe and hardly any responses from Logitech staff. I doubt they have any idea of what to do - they usually don't have much of a clue in my experience, and often refer people to THIS forum! Try opening a support ticket and you're required to hunt around for part numbers and pids, etc. -- castalla castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89103 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Reinstalled 7.5.5 but now SBS insists on 7.6
I did report it there and the response was: 1.) don't use both MySB and SBS, or 2.) live with having to reinstall teh software each time you make the switch. Ridiculous. -- Audiofile Audiofile's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89103 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Reinstalled 7.5.5 but now SBS insists on 7.6
castalla;644330 Wrote: What an utterly unhelpful and pointless comment! Only unhelpful and pointless, if you don't learn this lesson from your experience. -- Cut-Throat Cut-Throat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43167 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89103 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Reinstalled 7.5.5 but now SBS insists on 7.6
aubuti;644370 Wrote: And the 3rd valid alternative is the one that erland offered earlier in this thread: refuse the offer to up/downgrade. 7.6.0 has a lot of problems, no question about it. But this particular question of matching player firmware to the server software has been standard practice since forever. If you don't want the firmware to switch, then don't switch between different servers (eg, mysb.com and local SBS) that require different player firmware. And it's not as if you need to connect explicitly to mysb.com to get internet radio -- connect via SBS. But doesn't listening to internet radio through SBS require that the computer be on at all times? With MySB.com, it was just my router that needed to be on. -- Audiofile Audiofile's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89103 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Reinstalled 7.5.5 but now SBS insists on 7.6
'But this particular question of matching player firmware to the server software has been standard practice since forever.' Yes but offering an update to a version to that below the server is not normal, is it? I have 7.6 and I get update available to 7.5.4 -- castalla castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89103 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Reinstalled 7.5.5 but now SBS insists on 7.6
castalla;644386 Wrote: Yes but offering an update to a version to that below the server is not normal, is it? No, it's not. But I was responding to the OP, whose problem is different from yours. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89103 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Reinstalled 7.5.5 but now SBS insists on 7.6
castalla;644386 Wrote:
Yes but offering an update to a version to that below the server is not
normal, is it?
I have 7.6 and I get update available to 7.5.4
Are you using the official 7.6.0 release or a nightly 7.6.1 build ?
If you are using the nightly 7.6.1 build that could be the problem
because there doesn't seem to be any 7.6.1 firmware directory available
at mysqueezebox.com so it might use firmware it has downloaded in your
old installation.
Try to delete any files in the updates directory in the Cache
folder and restart SBS and see if that solves it. You will find the
location of the Cache folder by looking in SBS Settings/Information.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Reinstalled 7.5.5 but now SBS insists on 7.6
thanks! I'll check fighting with a linux problem at the moment! Computers, eh???!!! -- castalla castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89103 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Reinstalled 7.5.5 but now SBS insists on 7.6
Audiofile;644385 Wrote: But doesn't listening to internet radio through SBS require that the computer be on at all times? With MySB.com, it was just my router that needed to be on. Listening to internet radio via SBS doesn't require the computer to be on at all times -- only all the times that you want to listen to internet radio. :-) What I'm suggesting is a workaround to tide you over until you can get your server to successfully run the same version # of the software as mysb.com. Whether you succeed with 7.6.0, or 7.6.1, whatever, who knows? Only you can decide which of the three workarounds is less inconvenient for you. This would be my preferred ordering, from most to least convenient: 1) connect via SBS (tip: you'll find that suspending the computer instead of shutting it down when you're not listening makes this more feasible), 2) refuse the firmware upgrade/downgrade by using the left arrow on the IR remote (I think a quick left-to-right swipe on the Touch's touchscreen also works), 3) switch between mysb.com and SBS, and live with firmware upgrade/downgrade shuffle. When things get back to something resembling normal then you can resume switching between SBS and mysb without doing the firmware dance. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89103 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Reinstalled 7.5.5 but now SBS insists on 7.6
Clearing the cache seems to have stopped the reminders ... thanks. I am using the nightly build - I'll leave well alone now until the dust settles! -- castalla castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89103 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Reinstalled 7.5.5 but now SBS insists on 7.6
Cut-Throat;644326 Wrote: Having been in the software business for 30 years, I learned never to install an upgrade 'just because it was there'. You upgrade software to 'get something' you want. And you are willing to take the risk of upgrading, because you want that 'something' badly enough. I think the responsible thing to have done here was to issue 7.6 as a beta if at all with attendant risks of harm (e.g. glitches and permanent incompatibility with MySB.com) rather than prompting the user to upgrade without such a warning. I am happy to decide to assume the risk when I am informed what the risk is. This is an elementary concept in law. When a car leaves the showroom floor, don't you expect forward and reverse gears to work and that once shifted to reverse you are stuck there? Would you have bought that car knowing this would occur or be pissed that the manufacturer never adequately tested the product before sale? -- Audiofile Audiofile's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89103 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Reinstalled 7.5.5 but now SBS insists on 7.6
Audiofile;644412 Wrote: I think the responsible thing to have done here was to issue 7.6 as a beta if at all with attendant risks of harm (e.g. glitches and permanent incompatibility with MySB.com) rather than prompting the user to upgrade without such a warning. I am happy to decide to assume the risk when I am informed what the risk is. This is an elementary concept in law. When a car leaves the showroom floor, don't you expect forward and reverse gears to work and that once shifted to reverse you are stuck there? Would you have bought that car knowing this would occur or be pissed that the manufacturer never adequately tested the product before sale? Agree, that the responsible thing was to offer a Beta Version. However, Software companies are not as responsible as Car Companies (Read - Liable for Lawsuits), With that said, I also never buy a car that has been re-designed in its first Model Year. I let others get the bugs out before I buy. -- Cut-Throat Cut-Throat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43167 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89103 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Reinstalled 7.5.5 but now SBS insists on 7.6
Cut-Throat;644457 Wrote: Agree, that the responsible thing was to offer a Beta Version. For those who may not already be aware, 7.6.0 has been offered as a beta version for well over a year, with nightly updates that are publicly available for users to download, test, use, delete, report bugs, etc. Those following the 7.6 developments were generally surprised to see that 7.6 was being released with so many unresolved bugs (see the Beta forum for a sampling). I agree, even though 7.6 has been working fine for me for some time now. Most users don't want to be beta testers, and from the reports I'm seeing from both newbies and experienced users, it's still only beta quality in far too many environments. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89103 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Reinstalled 7.5.5 but now SBS insists on 7.6
Intalled server 7.6, but then couldn't access music on server. Uninstalled and reinstalled 7.5.5. Problem is now when in MSB mode, MSB insists on upgrade to 7.6. MSB works once MSB is upgraded. But then server cannot be accessed and insists on upgrade to 7.5.4 which will work once done. To go back to internet radio, MSB again insists on upgrade to 7.6. It is a viscious circle. Fix? -- Audiofile Audiofile's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89103 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Reinstalled 7.5.5 but now SBS insists on 7.6
Audiofile;644115 Wrote:
Intalled server 7.6, but then couldn't access music on server.
Uninstalled and reinstalled 7.5.5. Problem is now when in MSB mode,
MSB insists on upgrade to 7.6. MSB works once MSB is upgraded. But
then server cannot be accessed and insists on upgrade to 7.5.4 which
will work once done. To go back to internet radio, MSB again insists
on upgrade to 7.6. It is a viscious circle. Fix?
I suspected this would be the next issue people would start to report.
I'm not sure there is an easy fix, you can refuse the downgrade/upgrade
when prompted for it by holding left arrow of IR remote for a few
seconds. However, I'm not sure the 7.5 firmware will work good towards
7.6 MySB and I'm not sure the 7.6 firmware will work good towards a
7.5.5 SBS. It might work, but I think there are some protocol changes
between 7.5 and 7.6, so it might also not work at all.
If you have the time, it would be great if you could post about these
problems also in the official support forum, so the Logitech support
staff gets aware of it and doesn't recommend all users to downgrade to
7.5.5 so they will get these issues instead. The official support forum
can be found here:
http://forums.logitech.com
The Logitech support staff doesn't monitor this community forum, they
only read in the official support forum.
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