Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch music folder access very slow
JohnSwenson wrote: The only thing I can think of right now is that your disk controller might be running in PIO mode rather than UDMA mode, Thanks John but no - all discs running at Ultra DMA Mode 6 and in no respect do the HDDs seem slow other than Music Folders navigation via Controller or Squeezeplay or the Touch. Any other Tranquil BBS2 users out there suffering from the same Music Folder problem? ChipMonk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40072 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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aubuti wrote: What are the hardware specs on the Tranquil and the old desktop? The scan times are dramatically different, so if the old desktop doesn't have equally dramatically better hardware then it would seem that you may have configuration issues on your Tranquil, either with the hardware, with WHS, or with LMS itself. You could look in the performance section of LMS (Settings Advanced Performance) to see if they are very different between the desktop and the Tranquil. As others have mentioned, browsing music folders is largely a function of the OS itself, rather than LMS. don't know, but it almost seems like something on the Tranquil system is doing something with all these files as they are being scanned thus leading the much longer scanning time (some sort of permission check, virus check, something?) garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch music folder access very slow
aubuti wrote: What are the hardware specs on the Tranquil and the old desktop? The Tranquil BBS2 Server is WHS 2011 on Intel Atom D510MO, 1.66GHz, 2-core 4GB RAM, no antivirus. Windows explorer works just fine both through Remote Desktop or Network Share on this machine. The old desktop test system is Win7 x64, Athlon 2.2GHz 2-core 4200+, 4 GB RAM, ESET SS. Same LMS 7.7.2 with 1GB RAM performance setting etc etc on both machines. If only LMS Music Folders worked as smoothly as Windows Explorer does on the Tranquil server, I would be a very happy bunny! ChipMonk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40072 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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ChipMonk wrote: The Tranquil BBS2 Server is WHS 2011 on Intel Atom D510MO, 1.66GHz, 2-core 4GB RAM, no antivirus. Windows explorer works just fine both through Remote Desktop or Network Share on this machine. The old desktop test system is Win7 x64, Athlon 2.2GHz 2-core 4200+, 4 GB RAM, ESET SS. Same LMS 7.7.2 with 1GB RAM performance setting etc etc on both machines. If only LMS Music Folders worked as smoothly as Windows Explorer does on the Tranquil server, I would be a very happy bunny! seems powerful enough. I'm stumped. just as an example on my dell laptop (intel core i7, win7(64), running LMS 7.7.2, with an attached USB HDD, 2.0), I just ran a clear and rescan on 69,582 music files and it ran in less than an hour. All files have good tags on at least artist, album, track#, title, genre. Discovering files/directories: E:\All Music Files (77018 of 77018) Complete 00:01:04 Scanning new music files: E:\All Music Files (69582 of 69582) Complete 00:43:00 Discovering playlists: C:\Users\gary\Music\Playlists (2 of 2) Complete 00:00:00 Scanning new playlists: C:\Users\gary\Music\Playlists (1 of 1) Complete 00:00:03 Pre-caching Artwork (3399 of 3399) Complete 00:09:12 The server has finished scanning your media library. Total Time: 00:53:19 (Sunday, December 9, 2012 / 10:01 AM) garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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I'm stumped, too. The old desktop only has a little more juice than the Tranquil, but much faster scans. I want to say it's probably a WHS issue, but that's only because I don't know anything at all about WHS. And because the other difference with garym's scan times (which are around the minor differences I would expect) is that garym's slower machine is running Linux. I don't suppose you'd like to try installing VBA or some other Linux on the Tranquil? Especially with no guarantees whatsoever that it would improve performance substantially. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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An update for all of you who provided advice to help me with my very long scan times and, mainly, my slow and clunky music folder navigation. I have spent a silly amount of time over the last week tidying up my collection in order to try to solve these issues. I tackled it in 4 phases. 1. Studying the scanner log showed that the main error messages were caused by a significant number of cue files unable to locate the corresponding full disc flac file. Invariably the problem had been caused by foreign characters in some of the file/track names getting mangled (oh the joys of an old classical music collection). I went through correcting all these errors 2. I found substantial blocks of tracks with little or no tagging data attached, which had been missed in the past - these tags were updated 3. I finished the ongoing process of converting residual ape and wv files to flac. 4. I used cue splitter to split up all remaining whole disc flac files into individual tracks and eliminated cue files. After each of these four stages I did a complete cache cleanup and overnight scan on my Tranquil BBS2 Atom WHS 2011 server. I have to report that, within experimental error, the scan times remained pretty much the same i.e. about six hours for a full scan, about 2 hours for a rescan for files changes. In parallel to this, at each stage, I used my newly updated music library backup on an old, energy profligate, desktop machine, (Win7 with LMS same version 7.7.2) to do faster scanning checks for errors etc. In this case, full scan was consistently about 2 hours re-scan 10 -15 mins throughout. At the end of all this I certainly have a more orderly collection, the database of my music should be in much better shape and sql based random playlists will find long lost tracks. But Ive seen absolutely no evidence that it has noticeably improved scan times and Music Folder navigation (my preferred means of music selection) appears to be as erratic and clunky as ever. Which is a great pity! In the middle of all this, I received an email from Logitech customer services requesting feedback and my opinion about their products and whether or not I recommended them to friends and colleagues. I took the opportunity to express, in no uncertain terms, my disappointment at their dropping the Squeezebox line just as the market for quality streaming products is taking off. I trust that everyone else has done the same. Thanks again for everyone's help with this - I am still open to any suggestions as to how I can improve Music Folder navigation and, if at all possible, how to stop the automatic scanning which appears to be triggered when moving through Music Folders. ChipMonk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40072 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch music folder access very slow
ChipMonk wrote: After each of these four stages I did a complete cache cleanup and overnight scan on my Tranquil BBS2 Atom WHS 2011 server. I have to report that, within experimental error, the scan times remained pretty much the same i.e. about six hours for a full scan, about 2 hours for a rescan for files changes. In parallel to this, at each stage, I used my newly updated music library backup on an old, energy profligate, desktop machine, (Win7 with LMS same version 7.7.2) to do faster scanning checks for errors etc. In this case, full scan was consistently about 2 hours re-scan 10 -15 mins throughout. What are the hardware specs on the Tranquil and the old desktop? The scan times are dramatically different, so if the old desktop doesn't have equally dramatically better hardware then it would seem that you may have configuration issues on your Tranquil, either with the hardware, with WHS, or with LMS itself. You could look in the performance section of LMS (Settings Advanced Performance) to see if they are very different between the desktop and the Tranquil. As others have mentioned, browsing music folders is largely a function of the OS itself, rather than LMS. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch music folder access very slow
jimbobvfr400 wrote: Might it be worth scheduling a new and changed scan for 4am in the morning or similar time. At least that way it'll be out the way and done every night. In theory if the music folder navigation is being slowed by scanning it will help, possibly. Sent from my HTC Vision using Tapatalk 2 I did try that, but scan actually never completed - resulting in failed morning alarm and backup funky bass line again :). btw I having same experience with scan for 'changed and new music' take much longer (that's if finish properly at all) then 'clear and scan everything'... I suspected that there is smth wrong with tags/files in my library but never managed to get this diagnosed.. well never had time to do it properly.. Jaca's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58187 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Jaca wrote: I did try that, but scan actually never completed - resulting in failed morning alarm and backup funky bass line again :). btw I having same experience with scan for 'changed and new music' take much longer (that's if finish properly at all) then 'clear and scan everything'... I suspected that there is smth wrong with tags/files in my library but never managed to get this diagnosed.. well never had time to do it properly.. I would tryu by disabling upnp/dlna and all video and photo scanning ,untick video and photo for your music folder Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Mnyb wrote: I would tryu by disabling upnp/dlna and all video and photo scanning ,untick video and photo for your music folder +1 on this. The only time I have ever had a long (several hour) search for new files was when my wife had been playing some games and wound up with 40 million little GIF files on the disk. It took forever going through all these. John S. JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch music folder access very slow
Might it be worth scheduling a new and changed scan for 4am in the morning or similar time. At least that way it'll be out the way and done every night. In theory if the music folder navigation is being slowed by scanning it will help, possibly. Sent from my HTC Vision using Tapatalk 2 jimbobvfr400's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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I accept that the LMS system has been, sadly, designed to work primarily through searching Tags. However, for many of us, perhaps especially with significant classical collections, selection via music folder will always be the first choice for much of our listening. As my collection grows, it's becoming increasingly annoying when the whole system grinds to a halt for several minutes when someone starts to navigate through the folders - especially if a few new files have gone in since the last scan. My wife is currently listening to random rock tracks in the kitchen and I've just brought her entertainment to a juddering halt by looking for a new podcast download in the audio files from my hideaway in the study. Is there no fix or hack that can be implemented to either mitigate this problem or at least get individual tracks immediately scanned so they not lurking there for the next unsuspecting folder opener? Regular full scans are out of the question - they take ages and, since v7.6, another helpful innovation prevents folder access when scanning is underway. It seems weird to me that Logitech should have put so much effort into devising a system that requires very few resources yet has this flaw at its core, for no obvious reason, which appears to require heavyweight computing to overcome. Over the years of pleasure my, now quite extensive, Squeezebox system has given me, there have been numerous glitches and annoyances. Almost all have been sorted one way or another. But this Music Folder weakness just goes on and on and gets worse and worse! Please, any solutions other than the usual tagging suggestions? Thanks ChipMonk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40072 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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ChipMonk wrote: I accept that the LMS system has been, sadly, designed to work primarily through searching Tags. However, for many of us, perhaps especially with significant classical collections, selection via music folder will always be the first choice for much of our listening. As my collection grows, it's becoming increasingly annoying when the whole system grinds to a halt for several minutes when someone starts to navigate through the folders - especially if a few new files have gone in since the last scan. My wife is currently listening to random rock tracks in the kitchen and I've just brought her entertainment to a juddering halt by looking for a new podcast download in the audio files from my hideaway in the study. Is there no fix or hack that can be implemented to either mitigate this problem or at least get individual tracks immediately scanned so they not lurking there for the next unsuspecting folder opener? Regular full scans are out of the question - they take ages and, since v7.6, another helpful innovation prevents folder access when scanning is underway. It seems weird to me that Logitech should have put so much effort into devising a system that requires very few resources yet has this flaw at its core, for no obvious reason, which appears to require heavyweight computing to overcome. Over the years of pleasure my, now quite extensive, Squeezebox system has given me, there have been numerous glitches and annoyances. Almost all have been sorted one way or another. But this Music Folder weakness just goes on and on and gets worse and worse! Please, any solutions other than the usual tagging suggestions? Thanks Do a scan for new and changed when adding something much faster a then a complete rescan . If anyone wants to listen to rock and pop and other such more tag friendly genre ,tag these files well and use artist and album browsing for this , only use music folder when the tagging schemes shows it limitations . Even if you use music folder a lot keep good tags the whole system benefits anyway, such as for a rock record ,when artist or album is much better . Other than that I only se Erlands custom browse and custom scan etc plugin as a solution for classical or even his multilibrary plugin , there you can use custom tags to design your own browsing experience . It has some learning curve I never go there myself . But some users have elevated the custom browse and custom scan use to an art form . Some have even tweaked the tag concepts a bit such as for classical album is not always proper , the orchestra chooses to play a bunch of unrelated or weakly related stuff . Some user have opted to substitute album=work thus skipping the CD=album paradigm Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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..and I forgot music folder is much like actually browsing the folders on your OS so you can see it that other way around ,the database access via album and artist is much faster than browsing folders ever can be . A pity that it is extremely limited and not possible to configure you cant even browse the actual tags LMS combine those due to some internal logic ? So another workaround is to use a very powerful server with ssd drive and ram disc , a slow NAS or *shudder* using the Touch itself an then browse folders would be painful . Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Mnyb wrote: Do a scan for new and changed when adding something much faster a then a complete rescan . Don't I know it! That's exactly what I meant by a full (collection rather than folder) rescan. My system is a Tranquil BBS2 Intel Atom D510MO 4GB RAM with WHS 2011. Much better than a NAS and great as a media server and for home computing backups. But a 70K track collection takes 6 hours for a from scratch scan - not something I want to do very often and a scan for new and changed files can take 2 hours. That in itself wouldn't bother me - although I'm intensely annoyed by no longer being able to navigate folders whilst scanning in progress. I'd happily forfeit having a fully a up to date database (only used for random play of certain collections anyway) by completely emasculating the auto-scan on folder exploration (I assume that's what's going on) if it allowed me to navigate Music Folders with the facility that I can navigate Windows Explorer on my server. Is there really no way to block this? ChipMonk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40072 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch music folder access very slow
ChipMonk wrote: Don't I know it! That's exactly what I meant by a full (collection rather than folder) rescan. My system is a Tranquil BBS2 Intel Atom D510MO 4GB RAM with WHS 2011. Much better than a NAS and great as a media server and for home computing backups. But a 70K track collection takes 6 hours for a from scratch scan - not something I want to do very often and a scan for new and changed files can take 2 hours. That in itself wouldn't bother me - although I'm intensely annoyed by no longer being able to navigate folders whilst scanning in progress. I'd happily forfeit having a fully a up to date database (only used for random play of certain collections anyway) by completely emasculating the auto-scan on folder exploration (I assume that's what's going on) if it allowed me to navigate Music Folders with the facility that I can navigate Windows Explorer on my server. Is there really no way to block this? Odd. I have a vortexbox appliance which is on the low end of decent power for a pc (about like yours) and I can do a clear and rescan of my 70k tracks in a hair over an hour. Most FLAC and most have artwork and basic tags. So I'm surprised at the 6 hours. Sorry, no help on whether the folder auto scan can be turned off. No way I can see from all options. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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ChipMonk wrote: Don't I know it! That's exactly what I meant by a full (collection rather than folder) rescan. My system is a Tranquil BBS2 Intel Atom D510MO 4GB RAM with WHS 2011. Much better than a NAS and great as a media server and for home computing backups. But a 70K track collection takes 6 hours for a from scratch scan - not something I want to do very often and a scan for new and changed files can take 2 hours. That in itself wouldn't bother me - although I'm intensely annoyed by no longer being able to navigate folders whilst scanning in progress. I'd happily forfeit having a fully a up to date database (only used for random play of certain collections anyway) by completely emasculating the auto-scan on folder exploration (I assume that's what's going on) if it allowed me to navigate Music Folders with the facility that I can navigate Windows Explorer on my server. Is there really no way to block this? Weird scan for new and changed only take like 20 seconds if add for example 5 new albums ? I only have an 37000 files collection btw ? Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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ChipMonk wrote: Don't I know it! That's exactly what I meant by a full (collection rather than folder) rescan. My system is a Tranquil BBS2 Intel Atom D510MO 4GB RAM with WHS 2011. Much better than a NAS and great as a media server and for home computing backups. But a 70K track collection takes 6 hours for a from scratch scan - not something I want to do very often and a scan for new and changed files can take 2 hours. That in itself wouldn't bother me - although I'm intensely annoyed by no longer being able to navigate folders whilst scanning in progress. ? Two hours for a scan for new and changed files? Something is quite wrong here. Even a slow device takes only a few seconds per album. I suspect that LMS is not the culprit. Guido F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Mnyb wrote: Weird scan for new and changed only take like 20 seconds if add for example 5 new albums ? I only have an 37000 files collection btw ? Yep, new and changed for me (70k tracks) takes a few short minutes. I wonder if your long times is because you have a lot of untagged files. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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guidof wrote: Two hours for a scan for new and changed files? Something is quite wrong here. Even a slow device takes only a few seconds per album. I suspect that LMS is not the culprit. Guido F. Agree. Has the OP set the scanning log to debug level and looked at the logs to see what may be happening. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Thanks for the all your comments - I'll look into a re-scan and investigate the logs some time soon. I have been slowly tidying up tags over the last year or so, but there is probably still some messiness in there - my heart isn't really into spending an age on it since it's of very limited value to me - other than the possibility that it's impacting indirectly on this Music Folder problem Again, I must stress that a wonderful, up-to-date tag database is far less important to me than being able to navigate Music Folders smoothly and without causing LMS hangs. I'd happily do a painful, slow full overnight re-scan, say once per quarter, if I could only stop this wretched auto-scan on folder navigation. ChipMonk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40072 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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ChipMonk wrote: Thanks for the all your comments - I'll look into a re-scan and investigate the logs some time soon. I have been slowly tidying up tags over the last year or so, but there is probably still some messiness in there - my heart isn't really into spending an age on it since it's of very limited value to me - other than the possibility that it's impacting indirectly on this Music Folder problem Again, I must stress that a wonderful, up-to-date tag database is far less important to me than being able to navigate Music Folders smoothly and without causing LMS hangs. I'd happily do a painful, slow full overnight re-scan, say once per quarter, if I could only stop this wretched auto-scan on folder navigation. Just curious. Do you have lots of untagged files? (missing album, artist, etc. metadata). This might explain the unusually long scan times. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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thks to all! This thread has been very helpful to me. I understand that tagging the files is not the same as reorganising the hdd folders. I've been experimenting different forms of tagging in the past few days but I haven't found the right form for me yet, probably because my music folders are not consistently organised in the same way. What I mean is that generally the organisation is done as follows: Artist Album Title However I have some folders that by having more files and subfolders, are organised in a different way, such as: Various Genre Title or Various Genre Artist Album Title I've tried as a first approach a tagging by going to mp3tag, Actions, Format values and: %_directory% %artist%/%album%/%title% but with, this what the program did was to interpretate all the folders (artists) and some of the subfolders (albums) as artists so when I now connect the hdd to the SB some of the albuns are actually displayed as artists. Specific example: In my hdd I have a folder that is organised like this: The Police Outlandos d'Amour titles Reggatta de Blanc titles Zenyatta Mondatta titles This kind of organization has not been tagged as I wanted because for folders like this (that have more than one album) the mp3tag is tagging the subfolder (albums) as if they were artists. When in my hdd I have something simplier, like (only one album per artist): Lana del Rey - Born to die Titles it works fine. So, how can I get the hdd folders to be tagged as artist, the subfolder as album, and the files as titles, so that it would be ok for folders with more than one album? thks! xicoxicao00's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57036 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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xicoxicao00 wrote: thks to all! This thread has been very helpful to me. I understand that tagging the files is not the same as reorganising the hdd folders. I've been experimenting different forms of tagging in the past few days but I haven't found the right form for me yet, probably because my music folders are not consistently organised in the same way. What I mean is that generally the organisation is done as follows: Artist Album Title However I have some folders that by having more files and subfolders, are organised in a different way, such as: Various Genre Title or Various Genre Artist Album Title I've tried as a first approach a tagging by going to mp3tag, Actions, Format values and: %_directory% %artist%/%album%/%title% but with, this what the program did was to interpretate all the folders (artists) and some of the subfolders (albums) as artists so when I now connect the hdd to the SB some of the albuns are actually displayed as artists. Specific example: In my hdd I have a folder that is organised like this: The Police Outlandos d'Amour titles Reggatta de Blanc titles Zenyatta Mondatta titles This kind of organization has not been tagged as I wanted because for folders like this (that have more than one album) the mp3tag is tagging the subfolder (albums) as if they were artists. When in my hdd I have something simplier, like (only one album per artist): Lana del Rey - Born to die Titles it works fine. So, how can I get the hdd folders to be tagged as artist, the subfolder as album, and the files as titles, so that it would be ok for folders with more than one album? thks! You will need to separately run your mp3tag FILE TAG actions on these differently organized directories. For example, just pull up the ARTIST/ALBUM/Track organized items and then use FILENAME TAG for them, etc. You should be able to easily do the police example you mention. This would be the following in the mask: \%artist%\%album%\%track% %title% See picture. In this example, I have x:\music\flac\mp3AAConly\10,000 Manics\Blind Man's Zoo\tracks .\In My Tribe\tracks... and so on. That is, several albums under one artist. You can see in the pic that mp3tag is previewing that CONVERT Filename to Tag, previews the artist, album, track #, and track name properly. By the way, if the mask is even a little off, you won't see any PREVIEW in the popup box. For example, in my case, if my mask above had %track%-%title% instead, i.e., a dash between track number and name, I wouldn't see the preview info. because the filename does NOT have the dash. So you can easily preview when you have it right. But again, you'll have to do this separately for differently organized directories. +---+ |Filename: CropperCapture[1].jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=13683| +---+ garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch music folder access very slow
Thks for all the detail garym, that was really helpful;). I will follow your instructions and run the mp3tag separatelly for the different types of folders so that everything is well organised and flowing on the SB. After having these issues and reading the tough experiences of other users who wanted to use the SB connected to an external usb hdd, I was getting afraid that the SB wouldn't work properly for me. Turns out that I only need some tweeks in my library tagging and everything will be fine! I have to say that the SB is a great audio device and that the logitech forums are, in terms of community help, something which I've never witnessed before in a product brand. Great resources in terms of users support! xicoxicao00's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57036 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch music folder access very slow
xicoxicao00 wrote: Thks for all the detail garym, that was really helpful;). I will follow your instructions and run the mp3tag separatelly for the different types of folders so that everything is well organised and flowing on the SB. After having these issues and reading the tough experiences of other users who wanted to use the SB connected to an external usb hdd, I was getting afraid that the SB wouldn't work properly for me. Turns out that I only need some tweeks in my library tagging and everything will be fine! I have to say that the SB is a great audio device and that the logitech forums are, in terms of community help, something which I've never witnessed before in a product brand. Great resources in terms of users support! And the time you spend in getting your files' metadata (tags) properly filled in will pay dividends down the road no matter which music database or network player you may choose to use. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch music folder access very slow
xicoxicao00 wrote: I just didn't want to reorganise my disk, but hey, if by doing so I get some good results, I think that it will worth it ;) Fixing your tags is not reorganizing disk. You're just adding/correcting the metadata contained in the files tags (e.g., ARTIST, ALBUM, TRACK) garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch music folder access very slow
garym wrote: Fixing your tags is not reorganizing disk. You're just adding/correcting the metadata contained in the files tags (e.g., ARTIST, ALBUM, TRACK) You can do both, although i never tried, after the tags are ok can for example mp3tag also move the files/folders around acording to some rules ? ( I think soo) But as usual Back up the tunes before doing anything at all !!! Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch music folder access very slow
Mnyb wrote: You can do both, although i never tried, after the tags are ok can for example mp3tag also move the files/folders around acording to some rules ? ( I think soo) But as usual Back up the tunes before doing anything at all !!! you are correct. mp3tag can also reorganize your file directory locations (and rename the files themselves) based on tag information. This is with the CONVERT TAG FILENAME menu item. It works, very very well by the way. You can use any sort of mask to pick up just what you want. Here's an example of a mask I use: .\%artist%\%album%\$num(%track%,2) - %title% This would create an ARTIST subdirectory, with an ALUBM subdirectory underneath. And then within the ALBUM directory, it would save the files themselves with the format 01 - TrackName, 02 - TrackName etc. The period at the very beginning of this mask is telling it to create all this underneath the current directory where the files are located (before they are renamed/moved). One may or may not need this and there are many other ways to do such a mask. Anyhow, works well. And always have backups before experimenting/learning how all this works. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch music folder access very slow
and if you have a well organized file structure (e.g, x:/artist/album/tracks/01 - trackname, etc., then mp3tag can easily create artist, album, track number, track name tag data in a batch/automatic approach. Works very well (mp3tag menu, FILE TAG option, play around with mask to match up with your file name format garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch music folder access very slow
Thks both for your help! I'm running the SB as a standalone attached to a WD hdd (500gb, 3.5 bus powered and NTSF formatted), which has been working very well (apart from the issue of the music folder access), so, I'm running the LMS from the SB and not from a pc. My music library is fairly small, around 40gb, so there's plenty of space left in the hdd. Actually, knowing that if I organise my library I can get the SB to work properly by accessing the files from the artists or albums, is a relief. I just didn't want to reorganise my disk, but hey, if by doing so I get some good results, I think that it will worth it ;) xicoxicao00's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57036 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch music folder access very slow
If you correctly tag your files life will be so much better. As garym suggested try using mp3tag to batch correct your current tags. Prior to doing so make a copy/backup and keep that just in case. Your library is fairly small compared to many of the other forum users so it may not be too painful. You might want to try a small portion of your library as a test. Point LMS at it w your current tags and then after correction point LMS at the corrected files/folders and note the change in performance. At any rate, good luck, and glad you posted over here. dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch music folder access very slow
Yep fix the tags , we all been there ,it's work but better learn while collection is small. Mp3tag , tagrename , puddletag comes to mind when doing this . Also if you rip your own stuff rip lossles to FLAC , then you don't have to do it all over again when you realise that you wanted lossles , if you have used windows media player to rip to WAV , you may have more work as they no tags at all but can converted to FLAC and tagged . Running Touch standalone can work OK with a fairly small collection and if you are not interested in any plugins or flexibility ( more settings ) or using the web interface to controll stuff , but if performance takes a dive when the collection groves , you be better of running the servers on some other hardware . Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch music folder access very slow
It's like this , artist ,album,genre et all uses the database that you get by scanning your files . It is therefore faster , the software nows everything it needs to know about the file ( including where it is ). Music Folder is working just like when you browse folder via the explorer in windows for example . This is slow on slow hardware ,if you run the server on a modern pc you would not notice on a NAS or on the Touch itself with limited CPU it gets slow . This mode is a fallback solution for badly tagged or untagged content , so the files are just presented in their folder in the OS sort order ,but the software actually checks if the file migth not be in database anyway if not it gets scanned on the spot ,this check is done on each folder level. Why is that, the meta data ( tags ) is not only scanned and used to power the search function and set up the artist ,album etc structure , it is also used for presentation on the screen ,you are seeing the title not the file name and also cover art if it exists. What to do , improve tagging and general organisation of the files is the best way in the long run . Other things you can do is have a reasonable folder structure, if you remember an old windows computer with slower CPU if one opened a folder with thousands of files/folders in the same folder it could take time to open the folder . The same apply here. Avoid a to flat file/folder structure . worst case is just dumping 4 mp3 files in the same folder . Use something in the line off /artists/album/track as a minimum. Some have even more elaborate schemes like /genre/a/artist/album/track with a folder for each letter in the alphabet . Or listener to classical,music can have a structure based on other criterias as the pop oriented artist/album don't fit that good. What are you running the server software on ? The Touch itself with attached drive or a computer or a NAS . If you collection is growing very large it migth be time to use more powerfull hardware . Compounding this are the fact that the Touch itself is very underpowered to actually run the server software it barely works if you are lucky . They should have given the poor Touch some more ram . The Browse Folder function is not a high priority for Logitech it was deviced as a test mode and sometimes they even thought they should scrap it completely ? This mode of accesings one music has been more common than Logitech foreseen ,they have not devoted enough resources to improve it . Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
