Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-07-04 Thread Paul Webster


jhe44 wrote: 
> Venice Classic Radio
h t t p ://uk2.streamingpulse.com/ssl/vcr1



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-07-04 Thread bpa


>From Radio.net - try 

venice : https://uk2.streamingpulse.com/ssl/vcr1

Swiss jazz : http://stream.srg-ssr.ch/m/rsj/mp3_128



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-07-04 Thread Paul Webster


jhe44 wrote: 
> Is there any information on how to find the appropriate radio stream URL
> and apply it to your local LMS?

Long ago I wrote up some of my notes on how to find stream URLs (see the
link below) and smoe others added/modified parts of it when it used to
be a Wiki.
However, nowadays it is much easier to use a browser and watch the
network traffic when you play the stream from their web site. It is not
foolpproof but often works.

e.g. in Chrome - right click on the page that is playing the stream and
choose "Inspect" then click on "Network" in the new section that appears
on the right - and then start playing - then look at what it captured.

Old stuff:
http://www.dabdig.co.uk/reciva-users/streamextraction/



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-07-04 Thread jhe44


bpa wrote: 
> Because it is depending on mysqueezebox.com and playing stations &
> podcasts  direct from the source - there is a growing issues of https
> URLs.  There is a growing number of stations /sources which are moving
> over to https ONLY URLs and SB Touch & Radio cannot play https directly
> - a local LMS will then be needed to proxy these URLs.  
> 
> The local LMS can be a very small system (typically Raspberry Pi, Odroid
> etc) with no files stored. With PiCoreplayer these small system are very
> easy to setup and require virtually no maintenance. Such a small LMS can
> also help play a wider number of station which have moved over to HLS or
> a plugin is required for best support.

Is there any information on how to find the appropriate radio stream URL
and apply it to your local LMS?  TuneIn have stopped hosting our to
favourite stations - Venice Classic Radio and Radio Swiss Jazz.  I'd
appreciate being pointed in the right direction.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-07-03 Thread ews2k


Final update:

The intermittent buzzing problem is finally now gone, re-installing the
firmware did the trick, happy days! This does not make much sense as
there were times when the Touch worked perfectly for 2-3 days at a time,
while at other times it would start the dreaded buzzing after just a few
minutes. A second fault that occurred at random was failure to switch on
- resetting to factory defaults had no effect.

I reinstalled the firmware as a last resort because nothing else I did
worked. The reasoning was that if the firmware update had been corrupt
from the beginning, nothing would have worked. But since the
re-installation there have been no further problems with the Touch, so
it might be worthwhile for those who do experience odd inexplicable
problems with their Touch devices to simply update their firmware again
even though you may already have the latest version of firmware.


-Eric



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-06-01 Thread ews2k


A quick update on this buzzing interference:

Once again yesterday morning the Touch began the dreaded "BUZZING" sound
(internal speaker as well as to the AVR into which it was passing audio)
and I switched the AC power off to the unit, this being the only thing
to do to stop this interference. It did this three times within an hour
and the last time when I restored the AC power to the power adaptor, the
display remained dead while the Toslink LED was burning brightly. A few
more on/off cycles got it going again and I figured I had tried
everything I could think of, including verification of the wi-fi signal
and resetting the unit back to factory default settings a number of
times, all to no avail.

I figured there was one thing I had not tried as I could not see it
would be of any help but I had nothing more to lose. I re-installed the
version7.7.3.r16676 Firmware, figuring this was a waste of time. 

Well... for the first time ever, the Touch has so far been running
continuously for more than 30 hours without any hiccups of any kind, the
dreaded Buzzing seems to be gone, the unit is working absolutely 100% as
it was designed to do. So it appears that somehow there was a glitch in
the original firmware update, not something that I had expected as there
were times that everything was good.

Touching wood that I do not have to update this post with more problems
arising... :)


-Eric



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-05-30 Thread ews2k


OK, sorted with opening the unit without any damage. Nothing really
serviceable in there as I had suspected but wanted to follow the voltage
trail from the power socket. While doing so, the unit woke up and is
working once again.

Unfortunately the intermittent buzzing sound is back, solved only by
unplugging the Touch for a while. The noise is reminiscent of "White
Noise" more than anything else and completely drowns the audio output.

-Eric



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-05-30 Thread ews2k


The Touch still displayed the buzzing problem but not as frequently as
before. I was hopinjg the problem would solve itself and just go away,
but this did not happen.

What did happen is that the Touch worked 100% last night but this
morning the display is completely dead, the unit does not power on
although the red optical light does burn so it is receiving power. The
transformer unit is fine, it works perfectly on my SB Classic.

I removed the stand (2 screws) as well as 2 tiny screws apparently
holding the casing together. Before I actually prise the unit apart, is
there anything I should be aware of such as ribbon cables or whatever
that could become damaged by opening the casing?


-Eric



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-25 Thread ews2k


Redrum wrote: 
> In all my sb years, I have not heard anything like you describe, but one
> thing to consider/keep in mind is grounding, ground loops, and EMI
> interference. Usually these problems are more of a hum or buzz. I have a
> receiver hooked to an old analog integrated amp in my garage that
> occasionally starts to buzz, then with a "snap" sound it stops. I have
> yet to find out why, as it happens so infrequently. I think my circa
> 70's amplifier has a ground issue somewhere, maybe it changes with heat,
> who knows. 
> 
> The SB power supplies are all switching, so they are electromagnetically
> noisy as well. 
> 
> fingers crossed that your mystery resolved itself :), but if it does
> reappear, and you can recreate it, swap things out, even the outlet it's
> plugged into, items nearby that might be radiating EMI, the touch power
> supply, the amplifier you are using, try the analog instead of digital
> out, stream internet, local media, etc. Just keep swapping until you can
> eliminate some of the possible causes.
> 
> Jim


Yep, I had already started to collect bits and pieces to build an analog
power supply, very simple one comprising suitable transformer, bridge
rectifier, caps, zener and a couple of transistors to eliminate this
possible source of interference. I had everything on hand except the
correct size DC power socket. The audio is fed to the amp using plain
RCA stereo leads.  

So far, Happiness rules!


-Eric



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-25 Thread ews2k


I have the feeling that the cause of the noise was something to do with
the data from the wifi getting into the audio stream. No idea how, of
course. So far, it has behaved perfectly since the factory reset.

Regarding the speaker, after I reset the Touch to factory defaults, it
played quite a pleasant little musical tune while booting up, something
akin to the Windows start-up theme of a few years ago.

When it made that terrible din, I switched the amplifier off quickly and
the same buzzing sound (buzzing not quite the correct word here, more
like a standing under a harsh waterfall as I previously alluded to)
emanated from the unit's speaker itself.


-Eric



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-24 Thread Redrum


ews2k wrote: 
> 
> I am pondering whether the 'rushing' sound was not possibly caused by
> data getting into the audio stream? Imagine the sound when standing in,
> around or under a waterfall - this is what it was doing.
> 
> 
> -Eric

In all my sb years, I have not heard anything like you describe, but one
thing to consider/keep in mind is grounding, ground loops, and EMI
interference. Usually these problems are more of a hum or buzz. I have a
receiver hooked to an old analog integrated amp in my garage that
occasionally starts to buzz, then with a "snap" sound it stops. I have
yet to find out why, as it happens so infrequently. I think my circa
70's amplifier has a ground issue somewhere, maybe it changes with heat,
who knows. 

The SB power supplies are all switching, so they are electromagnetically
noisy as well. 

fingers crossed that your mystery resolved itself :), but if it does
reappear, and you can recreate it, swap things out, even the outlet it's
plugged into, items nearby that might be radiating EMI, the touch power
supply, the amplifier you are using, try the analog instead of digital
out, stream internet, local media, etc. Just keep swapping until you can
eliminate some of the possible causes.

Jim



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-24 Thread slartibartfast


kidstypike wrote: 
> It must have, it make noises when you browse the menus, you can
> disable/enable these, Settings > Audio settings.
> 
> 29544Fair enough I always turn those sounds off.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-24 Thread bpa


slartibartfast wrote: 
> The Touch doesn't have a built in speaker.
> 
> Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk

IIRC original Touch had a micro speaker and a microphone.  Don't know if
they got omitted in later production runs.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-24 Thread kidstypike


slartibartfast wrote: 
> The Touch doesn't have a built in speaker.
> 
> Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk

It must have, it make noises when you browse the menus, you can
disable/enable these, Settings > Audio settings.



*Server - LMS 8.0.0 *Pi4B 4GB/Flirc case/pCP 6.0.0-b9 18K library,
playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs)
*Study -* Pi3B+/pCP 5.0.0/pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/jivelite,
*Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 5.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5
*Dining Room* - Squeezebox Boom
*Garage* - Pi3B/Pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/pCP 5.0.0 > Edifier R980T

*Spares* - 2xTouch, 1xSB3, 1xRadio, 6xRPi

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-24 Thread slartibartfast


ews2k wrote: 
> I took it to the office this morning and all was fine for about 2 hours
> before the dreaded rushing noise again, from both the amplifier
> connected to the Touch as well as the Touch's built-in speaker. Again
> the only way to kill this was to unplug the unit from the power source.
> 
> I then tried to "refresh the wifi network" (or whatever it was called)
> and this resulted in no wifi connection at all. 
> 
> Drastic measures were called for: I first tried a factory restore using
> the advanced settings menu, this solved nothing. I finally tried a hard
> factory restore (holding the button at the back of the unit above the DC
> connector in while restoring power) and happy days - the wifi now worked
> after re-entering my password. The Touch played happily with no problem
> after this at the office and ditto at home - no more buzzing. There was
> one minor glitch where the Touch rebooted itself stating there was a
> system error, would I like to send it to Logitech for evaluation - which
> I did. But still working nicely after it rebooted itself. 
> 
> I am pondering whether the 'rushing' sound was not possibly caused by
> data getting into the audio stream? Imagine the sound when standing in,
> around or under a waterfall - this is what it was doing.
> 
> Still keeping fingers crossed but at the same time feeling far more
> confident that the problem has been solved. :)
> 
> 
> -EricThe Touch doesn't have a built in speaker.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-24 Thread ews2k


Redrum wrote: 
> ews2k, why not try loading a few songs on a thumb drive and see if the
> problem persists when listening to music locally (no network or ISP)?
> This is an old document, and things might have changed, but page 12 runs
> you through the steps:
> 
> https://www.logitech.com/assets/33606/squeezebox-touch-fg.pdf
> 
> I set a touch up for a friend like this this past summer, after
> struggling with an duet/LMS solution on his unstable network/isp
> (combined with the fact he is not technical and quick to frustrate, I
> digress...).
> 
> This might at least tell you if you are dealing with the player or the
> network. It might make you happier about your purchase :)
> 
> Jim

Good idea, Jim, will certainly try this as well. Actually a very good
idea!


-Eric



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-24 Thread ews2k


I took it to the office this morning and all was fine for about 2 hours
before the dreaded rushing noise again, from both the amplifier
connected to the Touch as well as the Touch's built-in speaker. Again
the only way to kill this was to unplug the unit from the power source.

I then tried to "refresh the wifi network" (or whatever it was called)
and this resulted in no wifi connection at all. 

Drastic measures were called for: I first tried a factory restore using
the advanced settings menu, this solved nothing. I finally tried a hard
factory restore (holding the button at the back of the unit above the DC
connector in while restoring power) and happy days - the wifi now worked
after re-entering my password. The Touch played happily with no problem
after this at the office and ditto at home - no more buzzing. There was
one minor glitch where the Touch rebooted itself stating there was a
system error, would I like to send it to Logitech for evaluation - which
I did. But still working nicely after it rebooted itself. 

I am pondering whether the 'rushing' sound was not possibly caused by
data getting into the audio stream? Imagine the sound when standing in,
around or under a waterfall - this is what it was doing.

Still keeping fingers crossed but at the same time feeling far more
confident that the problem has been solved. :)


-Eric



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-24 Thread Redrum


toby10 wrote: 
> But no guarantee that will solve your issue if the problem is your
> network or ISP.

ews2k, why not try loading a few songs on a thumb drive and see if the
problem persists when listening to music locally (no network or ISP)?
This is an old document, and things might have changed, but page 12 runs
you through the steps:

https://www.logitech.com/assets/33606/squeezebox-touch-fg.pdf

I set a touch up for a friend like this this past summer, after
struggling with an duet/LMS solution on his unstable network/isp
(combined with the fact he is not technical and quick to frustrate, I
digress...).

This might at least tell you if you are dealing with the player or the
network. It might make you happier about your purchase :)

Jim



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-24 Thread toby10


ews2k wrote: 
>   ... Would the Classic be a reliable means of listening to IR radio
> without any computer being in the path?

Yes, same as Touch connecting to MySB.com.  But no guarantee that will
solve your issue if the problem is your network or ISP.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-23 Thread ews2k


toby10 wrote: 
> Try a different station?  Possibly a station streaming issue?

Hi Toby, no, it did this irrespective of which IR station it was tuned
to. I was pretty disgusted at a brand new unit having this issue so did
not even bother playing with it this weekend. I will be taking it to
work tomorrow however, and try it on a completely different ADSL wi-fi
router and will report back on what happens.


Someone else locally is also selling a SB Classic which I was thinking
about, but my experience with the older units is not too positive to say
the least. Would the Classic be a reliable means of listening to IR
radio without any computer being in the path?


-Eric



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-22 Thread bpa


slartibartfast wrote: 
> Does iHeart radio work in the UK?
> 
> Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk

The iHeart plugin is just a directory using iHearts feeds.  Whether a
station plays or not is up to the station. That said - I can't remember
a station that didn't play.  IIRC the mobile iHeart App geolocks access
to station but the station still play if you can find the URL



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-22 Thread slartibartfast


Mushroom_3 wrote: 
> If bpa is still reading this post, the iHeart radio plugin is showing
> "incompatible with this version of LMS" My version is 8.0 - 1582191382Does 
> iHeart radio work in the UK?

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-22 Thread Redrum


toby10 wrote: 
> Try a different station?  Possibly a station streaming issue?

to the op, new user, Toby brings up a good point, a good reason why to
have LMS, mysb.com, and a music library (even if it's one cd's worth),
even if you don't need/want them all - debug/diagnostics.

I have two systems, LMS on PcP, multiple players, but I setup a touch
for a "non technical" friend with tinyLMS and a USB stick with music
(mentioned earlier in this thread).

When ever anything goes goofy with my system (or my friend's which I
support via the phone :)), even if it's just re-buffering, loss of
stream connection, etc. I switch internet stations, switch services,
switch to my library, switch to mysb.com, just to try to localize the
issue.

Jim



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-22 Thread toby10


ews2k wrote: 
> So a new problem appeared last night when I was quietly listening to
> WSFM at a low-level volume. 

Try a different station?  Possibly a station streaming issue?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-22 Thread bpa


Mushroom_3 wrote: 
> If bpa is still reading this post, the iHeart radio plugin is showing
> "incompatible with this version of LMS" My version is 8.0 - 1582191382
iHeart issues are best address on the iHeart thread.
https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?108466-ANNOUNCE-iHeartRadio-to-play-US-live-iHeart-radio-stations

I haven't tested with 8.0 but there should be no reason for them to fail
but there is a MaxVerison of 7.* on repo file. I'll update the repo file
later todayt



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-22 Thread Mushroom_3


bpa wrote: 
> Apps are not plugins.
> 
> Plugins are addition to LMS which if necessary are downloaded from
> repositories and installed. Plugins are independent of mysqueezebox.com
> and so can offer much more functionality (e.g. specialist protocol
> support such as Spotty for Spotify).   The Plugins are managed from LMS
> WebUI Settings / Plugins tab
> 
> There are three main categories 
> (i) LMS supplied - already but not necessarily enabled
> (ii) LMS 3rd party included - plugins from 3rd parties but have been
> included in LMS repository
> (iii) 3rd party plugin which require their own repository URL to be
> added to LMS.
> 
> The iHeart and PlayHLSv2 are my plugins (i.e. 3rd party) from my own
> repositories - so you would need to add the URL to the entries at the
> bottom of the LMS Settings/Plugins tab at the "Additional Repositories"
> label.  Make sure you copy the full URL and not the text present which
> has ellipsis "..." 
> 
> The iHeart repository URL is
> http://bpa-code.github.io/bpaplugins/iheartradio-repo.xml
> The PlayHLSv2  URL is
> http://bpa-code.github.io/bpaplugins/repo-playhls-v2-beta.xml

If bpa is still reading this post, the iHeart radio plugin is showing
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-21 Thread slartibartfast


ews2k wrote: 
> So a new problem appeared last night when I was quietly listening to
> WSFM at a low-level volume. After about half-an-hour, the Touch went
> ballistic, producing a very harsh and high-level mix of a very loud
> buzzing sound with what almost sounded like carrier squelch noise, very,
> very loud, scaring the hell out of me at the time. The only way I could
> stop this was by physically unplugging the AC power supply. The Touch
> would not respond to any of the remote control commands such as reducing
> the volume or even trying to switch the unit off. 
> 
> When I plugged the power back in after a few seconds, all was good and I
> could select stations again - for about 10-15 minutes then a repeat
> performance of this incredibly loud sound, much akin to a heavy
> thunderstorm with hail on a bare corrugated iron roof.
> 
> This happened five times and then I gave up and went to bed. 
> 
> I have not tried it today because we had an electrical storm this
> afternoon and I did not want to risk frying my VDSL modem or anything
> else. What I did do was to check the Walmart type power supply and it
> seems fine, DC voltage is 4.94v and there is no sign of any AC ripple on
> the DC output.
> 
> Has anybody ever experienced this? This throws quite a damper on the
> brand-new (albeit some 8 years old) SB Touch unit.
> 
> 
> -EricNever heard of that before. Which firmware is your Touch running? Look
under Settings/Advanced/Software update or something like that.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-21 Thread ews2k


So a new problem appeared last night when I was quietly listening to
WSFM at a low-level volume. After about half-an-hour, the Touch went
ballistic, producing a very harsh and high-level mix of a very loud
buzzing sound with what almost sounded like carrier noise, very, very
loud, scaring the hell out of me at the time. The only way I could stop
this was by physically unplugging the AC power supply. The Touch would
not respond to any of the remote control commands such as reducing the
volume or even trying to switch the unit off. 

When I plugged the power back in after a few seconds, all was good and I
could select stations again - for about 10-15 minutes then a repeat
performance of this incredibly loud sound, much akin to a heavy
thunderstorm with hail on a bare corrugated iron roof.

This happened five times and then I gave up and went to bed. 

I have not tried it today because we had an electrical storm this
afternoon and I did not want to risk frying my VDSL modem or anything
else. What I did do was to check the Walmart type power supply and it
seems fine, DC voltage is 4.94v and there is no sign of any AC ripple on
the DC output.

Has anybody ever experienced this? This throws quite a damper on the
brand-new (albeit some 8 years old) SB Touch unit.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-21 Thread d6jg


bpa wrote: 
> Apps are not plugins.
> 
> Plugins are addition to LMS which if necessary are downloaded from
> repositories and installed. Plugins are independent of mysqueezebox.com
> and so can offer much more functionality (e.g. specialist protocol
> support such as Spotty for Spotify).   The Plugins are managed from LMS
> WebUI Settings / Plugins tab
> 
> There are three main categories 
> (i) LMS supplied - already but not necessarily enabled
> (ii) LMS 3rd party included - plugins from 3rd parties but have been
> included in LMS repository
> (iii) 3rd party plugin which require their own repository URL to be
> added to LMS.
> 
> The iHeart and PlayHLSv2 are my plugins (i.e. 3rd party) from my own
> repositories - so you would need to add the URL to the entries at the
> bottom of the LMS Settings/Plugins tab at the "Additional Repositories"
> label.  Make sure you copy the full URL and not the text present which
> has ellipsis "..." 
> 
> The iHeart repository URL is
> http://bpa-code.github.io/bpaplugins/iheartradio-repo.xml
> The PlayHLSv2  URL is
> http://bpa-code.github.io/bpaplugins/repo-playhls-v2-beta.xml

Just to add that Radio Paradise is also a Plugin not an App and is in
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-20 Thread bpa


ews2k wrote: 
> I cannot see the "iHeart Radio" nor the "Radio Paradise" plug-in apps on
> the LMS server. 
> 
> Am I looking in the correct place?
> 
> https://www.mysqueezebox.com/appgallery
> 
> 
> -Eric

Apps are not plugins.

Plugins are addition to LMS which if necessary are downloaded from
repositories and installed.  The Plugins are managed from LMS WebUI
Settings / Plugins tab

There are three main categories 
(i) LMS supplied - already but not necessarily enabled
(ii) LMS 3rd party included - plugins from 3rd parties but have been
included in LMS repository
(iii) 3rd party plugin which require their own repository URL to be
added to LMS.

The iHeart and PlayHLSv2 are my plugins (i.e. 3rd party) from my own
repositories - so you would need to add the URL to the entries at the
bottom of the LMS Settings/Plugins tab at the "Additional Repositories"
label.  Make sure you copy the full URL and not the text present which
has ellipsis "..." 

The iHeart repository URL is
http://bpa-code.github.io/bpaplugins/iheartradio-repo.xml
The PlayHLSv2  URL is
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-20 Thread kidstypike


ews2k wrote: 
> I cannot see the "iHeart Radio" nor the "Radio Paradise" plug-in apps on
> the LMS server. 
> 
> Am I looking in the correct place?
> 
> https://www.mysqueezebox.com/appgallery
> 
> 
> -Eric

Do you have Logitech Media Server (LMS) running on a local computer, or
is your Touch connected to mysqueezebox.com? They are not the same
thing.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-20 Thread ews2k


I cannot see the "iHeart Radio" nor the "Radio Paradise" plug-in apps on
the LMS server. 

Am I looking in the correct place?

https://www.mysqueezebox.com/appgallery


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-20 Thread ews2k


d6jg wrote: 
> Are you new to LMS?
> Try the Radio Paradise plugin - you might like it. No commercials at
> all.


Indeed, I have Radio Paradise on my other favourite lists, I will look
for it and add it here as well :)


-Eric



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-20 Thread bpa


ews2k wrote: 
> Got it! Found it within 20 seconds today, after having searched through
> all the radio stations last night unsuccessfully.
> 
> Australia - New South Wales - Sydney - By Genre - Classic Hits - 101.7
> WSFM
> 
> First one on the list - but was not there last night.
> 
> Their morning show is now on, it gets a bit busy at times, while it is
> late afternoon here. During our daylight hours, obviously night in Oz,
> they play quite decent music with minimal commercials and talking.

WSFM seems to be part of the iHeart Radio group of station which may
affect Tune-in listings - iHeart prefers users to go through their App.

As an example how a local LMS can help a bit.
1. Station can be found using the iHeart plugin
2. WSFM has HLS as well as http/AAC streams.  Same quality (about 48kpbs
AAC) but HLS has metadata for tracks/artists but need PlayHLSv2 plugin
to get those.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-20 Thread d6jg


ews2k wrote: 
> Got it! Found it within 20 seconds today, after having searched through
> all the radio stations last night unsuccessfully.
> 
> Australia - New South Wales - Sydney - By Genre - Classic Hits - 101.7
> WSFM
> 
> First one on the list - but was not there last night.
> 
> Their morning show is now on, it gets a bit busy at times, while it is
> late afternoon here. During our daylight hours, obviously night in Oz,
> they play quite decent music with minimal commercials and talking.
> 
> 
> -Eric

Are you new to LMS?
Try the Radio Paradise plugin - you might like it. No commercials at
all.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-20 Thread ews2k


Got it! Found it within 20 seconds today, after having searched through
all the radio stations last night unsuccessfully.

Australia - New South Wales - Sydney - By Genre - Classic Hits - 101.7
WSFM

First one on the list - but was not there last night.

Their morning show is now on, it gets a bit busy at times, while it is
late afternoon here. During our daylight hours, obviously night in Oz,
they play quite decent music with minimal commercials and talking.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-20 Thread slartibartfast


ews2k wrote: 
> OK... I have found the UK radio stations I was looking for in the
> "RadioFeeds UK & Ireland" app.
> 
> Still weird that the same radio station is listed under different names
> in different apps...  :confused:
> 
> Will look for the Oz station tomorrow.
> 
> 
> -EricWhen I searched for WSFM on the TuneIn website it showed up as
unavailable (UK) and sure enough it doesn't appear on search results in
LMS. It must be geo-locked for some reason.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-19 Thread ews2k


OK... I have found the UK radio stations I was looking for in the
"RadioFeeds UK & Ireland" app.

Still weird that the same radio station is listed under different names
in different apps...  :confused:

Will look for the Oz station tomorrow.


-Eric



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-19 Thread ews2k


I only had TuneIn installed but have now installed Radio Tunes and
RadioFeeds UK & Ireland.

I played a bit more with TuneIn radio and am slowly finding my choice of
music - mainly 60s to 80s. I find it odd however that the same radio
station has different names on different hardware, all of which utilise
the TuneIn app. Gold London on my Yamaha Network radio is exactly the
same radio station known as Capital Gold 1548 on the Touch. It's no
wonder I cannot fond my favourite IR stations! I am still looking for
WSFM 101.7 from Oz but pretty sure I will find it if I stopped selecting
every second radio station with an interesting sounding name :) Also
need to find All Hit Radio, presumably they broadcast from London.

All in all, I am very happy with the Touch, should have bought this
years ago!


-Eric



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-19 Thread d6jg


Apart from TuneIn do you have a "Radio" menu item ?
You should do if you have a valid mysqueezebox.com login
>From that you should have access to loads of stations across the world.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-18 Thread ews2k


Received the Touch yesterday, sorted the WiFi out and the Touch
immediately started to update its firmware. I then opened an account on
the Server, installed the TuneIn App and it works like a charm!

Only concern is for some reason the TuneIn App does not show nearly the
amount of IR stations that any other device does, but it's early times
still, will play with it some more.

This SB Touch was brand new: its packaging had never been opened before,
I cut the taped seals on the packaging and interesting to find that the
plastic cling film really did cling to the unit and also remote after
being packed away for some 7 years, was a bit finicky to remove. The
Duracell batteries did not survive, they had turned to a white powder
which even attacked the plastic wrapper containing them but luckily no
damage elsewhere.

All in all, I think I am going to enjoy this product.


-Eric



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-14 Thread toby10


Mostly Radionomy & ShoutCast (they are now the same service, but each
still works independently via SB menus).  Followed by Pandora & Slacker
(free accounts).



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-14 Thread Michael Herger

Yeah, that may be true and a great benefit to the OP who specifically
wants TuneIn.  Personally, I don't use TuneIn at all so if/when MySB.com
disappears my main use of SB vanishes with it.  :(


What's your main use?

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-14 Thread toby10


slartibartfast wrote: 
> I am not sure that is true. I thought that was the purpose of the TuneIn
> plugin. 
> 
> Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk

Yeah, that may be true and a great benefit to the OP who specifically
wants TuneIn.  Personally, I don't use TuneIn at all so if/when MySB.com
disappears my main use of SB vanishes with it.  :(



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-14 Thread ews2k

I received an email from Logi Support confirming what has been stated
here previosuly:

> Hi! and thanks for getting in touch with us on the matter. Although I do
> apologize if it took us a bit of time to get back to you with an
> interaction due to high volume of tickets, and also, with regard to your
> concern, actually yes, Our servers for the Squeezebox Touch is still
> active indeed. And you can be able to customize and add radio stations
> through a squeezebox account that you can configure through this link to
> the dedicated website for Squeezebox.
> 
> • http://mysqueezebox.com/index/Home 
> 

So I have paid my the Touch (which is still brand new, sealed, and never
been opened) and await its arrival next week.

Many thanks for all the assistance presented here!


-Eric



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-13 Thread bluetdi


mherger wrote: 
> > This is my preferred way to run LMS (with --nomysqeezebox.com) as I
> > don't need any of it's services, did so for years, but it seems to
> upset
> > a few folk on these forums. :(
> 
> That would surprise me. I only mentioned at some point that having LMS 
> talk to mysb.com was the only way for me to "prove" the liveliness of 
> the SB community. If the management saw that there were only a hand full
> 
> of users, they'd quickly shut down mysb.com. But when I can prove that 
> we still have a gazillion users out there, people are impressed - and 
> scared by the consequences a shutdown might have. Keep in mind that 
> Logitech not only runs mysb.com, but this forum as well as build systems
> 
> etc.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Michael

This is why I never turned mysb off.
And thanks, Michael, for your efforts.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-13 Thread kidstypike


mherger wrote: 
> > This is my preferred way to run LMS (with --nomysqeezebox.com) as I
> > don't need any of it's services, did so for years, but it seems to
> upset
> > a few folk on these forums. :(
> 
> That would surprise me. I only mentioned at some point that having LMS 
> talk to mysb.com was the only way for me to "prove" the liveliness of 
> the SB community. If the management saw that there were only a hand full
> 
> of users, they'd quickly shut down mysb.com. But when I can prove that 
> we still have a gazillion users out there, people are impressed - and 
> scared by the consequences a shutdown might have. Keep in mind that 
> Logitech not only runs mysb.com, but this forum as well as build systems
> 
> etc.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Michael

Yes, and this is why I am now back to running LMS + mySB.com. :)



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-13 Thread Michael Herger

This is my preferred way to run LMS (with --nomysqeezebox.com) as I
don't need any of it's services, did so for years, but it seems to upset
a few folk on these forums. :(


That would surprise me. I only mentioned at some point that having LMS 
talk to mysb.com was the only way for me to "prove" the liveliness of 
the SB community. If the management saw that there were only a hand full 
of users, they'd quickly shut down mysb.com. But when I can prove that 
we still have a gazillion users out there, people are impressed - and 
scared by the consequences a shutdown might have. Keep in mind that 
Logitech not only runs mysb.com, but this forum as well as build systems 
etc.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-13 Thread kidstypike


bpa wrote: 
> I think you can check out possible limitations by running your LMS with
> the "nomysqueezebox" command line option.

This is my preferred way to run LMS (with --nomysqeezebox.com) as I
don't need any of it's services, did so for years, but it seems to upset
a few folk on these forums. :(



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-13 Thread bpa


toby10 wrote: 
> However I believe even using LMS would be of little use in regards to
> internet radio streaming if/when MySB.com finally shuts down.  Your
> player connects to LMS and LMS connects to (uses and is dependant on) 
> MySB.com.

I think you can check out possible limitations by running your LMS with
the "nomysqueezebox" command line option.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-13 Thread slartibartfast


toby10 wrote: 
>  However I believe even using LMS would be of little use in regards to
> internet radio streaming if/when MySB.com finally shuts down.  Your
> player connects to LMS and LMS connects to (uses and is dependant on) 
> MySB.com.
> 
.

I am not sure that is true. I thought that was the purpose of the TuneIn
plugin. 

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-13 Thread toby10


ews2k wrote: 
> ..If I understand you correctly, the Touch cannot log in
> directly to the TuneIn website, it has to work through the LMS?
> Eric

Correct.  All SB players are basically dumb clients requiring a server
to function.  Either MySB.com server online or LMS server on a computer
(or as suggested the built in, but quite limited Tiny server on the
Touch).  Accessing TuneIn directly would otherwise require a browser,
which no SB player has.

Also as suggested you can connect the SB player to the full LMS running
on a small low power computer.  This will circumvent the https
limitation on MySB.com.  However I believe even using LMS would be of
little use in regards to internet radio streaming if/when MySB.com
finally shuts down.  Your player connects to LMS and LMS connects to
(uses and is dependant on)  MySB.com.

If you have an old laptop laying around, Win or iOS, just use that as
your dedicated LMS server (if even needed).  Or just buy a cheap used
laptop, even an old Win7 or WinXP for $50 on eBay or Craigslist or
OfferUp.  For such simplistic LMS only usage the older "unsupported"
operating systems are just fine.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-13 Thread toby10


ews2k wrote: 
> Thank you for this info, Toby. I have a couple of Denon Network
> receivers that used to work with vTune, the latter simply cancelled
> their service unless one pays an annual subscription. I did this, and
> the Denon works flawlessly since doing so. I have no objection should
> Logitech decide to do the same. (The newer Denons use TuneIn, no
> problems there)..
> Eric

Yeah, same happened with my Yamaha and vTuner.  Can't really blame them,
they have to keep the doors open somehow.  ;)
Although my purchasing my first SB player was long before vTuner stopped
working for me.  I wanted a lot more features and choices than what was
(or even is today) offered as built in internet radio access/services on
receivers.

Logitech would never bother with going to a MySB.com subscription model
for a long since discontinued product.  Enjoy it while you can!



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-12 Thread Michael Herger

The SB Touch *does* have it's own inbuilt server (Tiny SB), you don't
need to have Logitech Media Server (LMS) running on a PC, nor do you
need to connect to mysqueezebox.com.


But please note that this will not have any advantage over using mysb if 
you don't plan to use local music files. And it does not help with 
mysb's limitations mentioned by bpa. If you want to use LMS to enable 
https streaming, then you'll need something better than TinySB.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-12 Thread ews2k


Shot, I have confirmed the order for the Touch and will pay for it
tomorrow when I receive the seller's banking details. This is a brand
new sealed unit, he bought two of these some years back and this one was
kept as a spare.

Thank you for all the meaningful advice, guys!


-Eric



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-12 Thread kidstypike


ews2k wrote: 
> Apologies if this has been asked recently, I could not find any recent
> info on this.
> 
> I desire to use a SB Touch *only* for Internet Radio via a wifi
> connection, feeding the audio into an external device. The Touch was
> able to do this originally from all the Googling I did but I cannot find
> confirmation that this service still works. Can the Touch accept an App
> such as Tune-In which will allow me to do so?
> 
> My intention is not to use a computer anywhere within the link, I have
> no interest in streaming music from a computer, all I want to use is the
> wifi router, the Touch, and the external audio amplifier.
> 
> All advice appreciated :)

The SB Touch *does* have it's own inbuilt server (Tiny SB), you don't
need to have Logitech Media Server (LMS) running on a PC, nor do you
need to connect to mysqueezebox.com.

I appreciate you don't wish to listen to local music files via your
Touch but If you put a couple of albums on an SD card (Touch has an SD
card slot) or USB stick (Touch has a USB port), attach it to the
appropriate port, you can start Tiny SB and search for and play radio
stations.

As below.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-12 Thread ews2k


Thanks for that, it is either a Pi2 or Pi3, can't remember which. Will
download the software in the interim, I'm still waiting for the
Squeezebox Touch to arrive.


-Eric



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-12 Thread bpa


ews2k wrote: 
> Food for thought... I have a spare raspberry Pi that I can set up for
> the job. PiCore apparently an application that runs with the Linux OS of
> the Pi. What version OS would you recommend for the Pi? (I am absolutely
> useless with Linux, I have to admit).
> 
> 
> -Eric

If it is not a Pi4 - then use 5.X  PCP has everything bundled in: OS,
LMS and Squeezelite player, Just burn a SD card and then configure/run
with a web menu.

Instructions https://www.picoreplayer.org/main_howto.shtml



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-12 Thread Michael Herger

Food for thought... I have a spare raspberry Pi that I can set up for
the job. PiCore apparently an application that runs with the Linux OS of
the Pi. What version OS would you recommend for the Pi? (I am absolutely
useless with Linux, I have to admit).


piCorePlayer (or short pCP) is all the OS you need.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-12 Thread ews2k


Food for thought... I have a spare raspberry Pi that I can set up for
the job. PiCore apparently an application that runs with the Linux OS of
the Pi. What version OS would you recommend for the Pi? (I am absolutely
useless with Linux, I have to admit).


-Eric



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-12 Thread bpa


Because it is depending on mysqueezebox.com and playing stations &
podcasts  direct from the source - there is a growing issues of https
URLs.  There is a growing number of stations /sources which are moving
over to https ONLY URLs and SB Touch & Radio cannot play https directly
- a local LMS will then be needed to proxy these URLs.  

The local LMS can be a very small system (typically Raspberry Pi, Odroid
etc) with no files stored. With PiCoreplayer these small system are very
easy to setup and require virtually no maintenance. Such a small LMS can
also help play a wider number of station which have moved over to HLS or
a plugin is required for best support.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-12 Thread ews2k


Thank you for this info, Toby. I have a couple of Denon Network
receivers that used to work with vTune, the latter simply cancelled
their service unless one pays an annual subscription. I did this, and
the Denon works flawlessly since doing so. I have no objection should
Logitech decide to do the same. (The newer Denons use TuneIn, no
problems there).

If I understand you correctly, the Touch cannot log in directly to the
TuneIn website, it has to work through the LMS?


Eric



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch and Internet Radio

2020-02-12 Thread toby10


Yes, this is primarily how I use all my SB devices including the SB
Touch.  No computer, no local server, streaming internet radio.  Works
great.

However.  this requires you connect to Logitech's
www.MySqueezeBox.com server online and Logitech will some day shut this
server down.  When is unknown.  
Might be years from now or it might happen next week.  As a long since
discontinued product line we are all lucky Logitech has kept their
online server going this long!   :)

Still works fine today and TuneIn is available (in fact TuneIn is the
background service used by MySB.com for basic internet radio menus).



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