[Trac] Re: Possible to use plain text instead of wikiformatting?
Hello, I made a Greasemonkey script to create a special button to put [[br]] at all lines on a wiki/ticket description/comment. I've created that because in some cases I receive new bugs/issues by email and just paste the email content in the description box at new ticket. If someone have interest... the script is available at http://bruno.caimar.googlepages.com/inserebotoparainserirbrn.user.js Bye, Bruno Caimar --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Trac Users group. To post to this group, send email to trac-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/trac-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Trac] Re: Possible to use plain text instead of wikiformatting?
What about a plugin that would reformat wiki text after the post, putting the [br]'s in place of /n's? I'm curious if there is a plugin point for this that would make it possible. -Original Message- From: trac-users@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:46 AM To: trac-users@googlegroups.com Subject: [Trac] Re: Possible to use plain text instead of wikiformatting? On 1/9/07, Omry Yadan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to clarify: I was talking about respecting newlines in the context of ticket description and comments only, not in general. In regular Wiki pages, I prefer to keep the ability to break down a paragraph in multiple lines, as this gives clearer diffs. I think respecting newlines in ticket descriptions is a very good idea, 99% of the users are not aware of the wiki formating when they enter comments , and comments get mangled. Perhaps the presence of wiki formatting tags could also inform the decision to escape newlines. If the input has any [ br ] in it, probably the user intends to control breaks, otherwise newlines should be preserved. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the eDiets MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Trac Users group. To post to this group, send email to trac-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/trac-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Trac] Re: Possible to use plain text instead of wikiformatting?
Now that we're talking about the wiki, I'd like to get some feedback about two other possible changes: - what about allowing bulleted list to start at the beginning of line? The constraint of the space in front is a bit artificial, as I don't see many possibility of having false positive. (1) - the WikiCreole standardization initiative is an interesting one, and we can get close without sacrificing much (if anything). (2) I'd be interested to get some feedback on the above points. (2) - http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4356 As initiator of ticket #4356, a newbie Trac user, but experienced wiki user (I'm leading the WikiCreole effort and founded the Esperanto Wikipedia), I'd like to chime in here (I use MediaWiki and JSPWiki on a regular basis). On a private project, I get very frustrated with TracWiki, but especially in the following two cases (we're using Trac 0.9.6, so I apologize if either of these have already been fixed): 1) I often make bullet lists without a space in front only to see after I've saved that they were not converted to bullet lists. 2) I've tried to make page names with numbers at the end, only to see that they don't become links or they try to be interpreted as macros. (I wanted to archive our newsletters as NewsLetter20070113, but this name was not allowed. If you could allow freelinks for this like [[Newsletter20070113]] I would greatly appreciate it. Information I find concerning Creole on Trac I post here: http://www.wikicreole.org/wiki/TracWiki... feel free to add your own comments there as well, if you think they would be beneficial to the WikiCreole project in general. We're also planning to remove newlines as newlines from the Creole 0.4 spec (http://www.wikicreole.org/wiki/Creole0.4), but this is a very controversial issue, so if you have an opinion, feel free to express yourself on the wikicreole wiki. Thank you for your time and all the great stuff you've put into Trac... I especially love the Browse Source, Roadmap and Ticket systems. Keep up the good work! Chuck --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Trac Users group. To post to this group, send email to trac-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/trac-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Trac] Re: Possible to use plain text instead of wikiformatting?
Hello list, a thing like WikiCreole sounds very promising. I have hundreds of people being used to the syntax of swiki and would be very happy if such an approach would make life easier for them while using trac (and/or also being able to include such pages) thanks for the effort, t --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Trac Users group. To post to this group, send email to trac-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/trac-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Trac] Re: Possible to use plain text instead of wikiformatting?
On 1/9/07, Omry Yadan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to clarify: I was talking about respecting newlines in the context of ticket description and comments only, not in general. In regular Wiki pages, I prefer to keep the ability to break down a paragraph in multiple lines, as this gives clearer diffs. I think respecting newlines in ticket descriptions is a very good idea, 99% of the users are not aware of the wiki formating when they enter comments , and comments get mangled. Perhaps the presence of wiki formatting tags could also inform the decision to escape newlines. If the input has any [ br ] in it, probably the user intends to control breaks, otherwise newlines should be preserved. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Trac Users group. To post to this group, send email to trac-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/trac-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Trac] Re: Possible to use plain text instead of wikiformatting?
Christian Boos wrote: Now that we're talking about the wiki, I'd like to get some feedback about two other possible changes: - what about allowing bulleted list to start at the beginning of line? The constraint of the space in front is a bit artificial, as I don't see many possibility of having false positive. (1) +1 on dropping the requirement of leading spaces. Note also that if you adopt the WikiCreole form of: * item 1 ** item 1.1 * item 2 I *think* that the old-fashioned emacs outline mode works better. (and I admit that I'm mainly editing wiki pages using trac-wiki mode (1). It's *very* nice.) (1) http://www.meadowy.org/~gotoh/projects/trac-wiki/ DVM --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Trac Users group. To post to this group, send email to trac-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/trac-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Trac] Re: Possible to use plain text instead of wikiformatting?
On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 10:18:10PM +0100, Christian Boos wrote: - what about allowing bulleted list to start at the beginning of line? The constraint of the space in front is a bit artificial, as I don't see many possibility of having false positive. (1) I don't think there are many cases where a * at the beginning of a line would naturally occur, but a hyphen seems fairly common (after checking the Wiki pages on TH). Specifically the idiom of signing a comment thus: Some comment. - athomas - the WikiCreole standardization initiative is an interesting one, and we can get close without sacrificing much (if anything). (2) WikiCreole seems like a worthy goal, particularly if its not that difficult to implement. I'd be interested to get some feedback on the above points. -- Christian (1) - http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/124#comment:13 (2) - http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4356 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Trac Users group. To post to this group, send email to trac-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/trac-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Trac] Re: Possible to use plain text instead of wikiformatting?
Gary Oberbrunner wrote: Christian Boos wrote: A middle term would be to simply respect newlines, as we already do for changeset messages. That would avoid most of the issues. I wanted to do that for 0.11 anyway, but wondered about what the default should be. Like we have now, or escape newlines enabled by default? I'd like escape-newlines to be on. What about a compromise: respect newlines after 50 chars? I.e. short lines stay short; long lines wrap. Creole respects source line breaks too. Just to clarify: I was talking about respecting newlines in the context of ticket description and comments only, not in general. In regular Wiki pages, I prefer to keep the ability to break down a paragraph in multiple lines, as this gives clearer diffs. -- Christian --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Trac Users group. To post to this group, send email to trac-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/trac-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Trac] Re: Possible to use plain text instead of wikiformatting?
Christian Boos wrote: Gary Oberbrunner wrote: Christian Boos wrote: A middle term would be to simply respect newlines, as we already do for changeset messages. That would avoid most of the issues. I wanted to do that for 0.11 anyway, but wondered about what the default should be. Like we have now, or escape newlines enabled by default? I'd like escape-newlines to be on. What about a compromise: respect newlines after 50 chars? I.e. short lines stay short; long lines wrap. Creole respects source line breaks too. Just to clarify: I was talking about respecting newlines in the context of ticket description and comments only, not in general. In regular Wiki pages, I prefer to keep the ability to break down a paragraph in multiple lines, as this gives clearer diffs. Agreed, me too. -- Gary --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Trac Users group. To post to this group, send email to trac-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/trac-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Trac] Re: Possible to use plain text instead of wikiformatting?
Really the wiki formatting is only there to make things look pretty if they just type it'll come out as plain text (or at least it 'should'). Just reinforce the use of the 'preview and confirm' practice. -Original Message- From: trac-users@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 1:52 PM To: Trac Users Subject: [Trac] Possible to use plain text instead of wikiformatting? Hi all, I was wondering if it's possible to use plain text input in the trac ticket description field instead of wiki formatting? The motivation for this is to present a simpler input format for users that might not be inclined to learn wiki formatting. - Leon --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Trac Users group. To post to this group, send email to trac-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/trac-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Trac] Re: Possible to use plain text instead of wikiformatting?
Hi again. :-) It doesn't quite match what the user types in. The specific issue my boss had was when he was typing in several lines like follows: Line 1. Line 2. Line 3. This isn't an itemized list, just several lines intended to be separated by a CR. The wiki formatting put them all into one paragraph: Line1. Line2. Line3. Whereas in a standard pre text, it would come out exactly as the user typed. For instance, see the sourceforge issue description boxes. Those use plain text formatting and what you type is what you get. I personally don't mind the wiki formatting as plain text input, but one day my boss typed in a ticket for me to do and when I read it, the lines were jumbled together and created a communication issue. - Leon Garrett McGrath wrote: Really the wiki formatting is only there to make things look pretty if they just type it'll come out as plain text (or at least it 'should'). Just reinforce the use of the 'preview and confirm' practice. -Original Message- From: trac-users@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 1:52 PM To: Trac Users Subject: [Trac] Possible to use plain text instead of wikiformatting? Hi all, I was wondering if it's possible to use plain text input in the trac ticket description field instead of wiki formatting? The motivation for this is to present a simpler input format for users that might not be inclined to learn wiki formatting. - Leon --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Trac Users group. To post to this group, send email to trac-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/trac-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Trac] Re: Possible to use plain text instead of wikiformatting?
Ah, well I guess technically this is a wiki formatting thing but if you just put a second line in like: Line 1. Line 2. Line 3. It'll work a bit better. -Original Message- From: trac-users@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leon Torres Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 2:33 PM To: trac-users@googlegroups.com Subject: [Trac] Re: Possible to use plain text instead of wikiformatting? Hi again. :-) It doesn't quite match what the user types in. The specific issue my boss had was when he was typing in several lines like follows: Line 1. Line 2. Line 3. This isn't an itemized list, just several lines intended to be separated by a CR. The wiki formatting put them all into one paragraph: Line1. Line2. Line3. Whereas in a standard pre text, it would come out exactly as the user typed. For instance, see the sourceforge issue description boxes. Those use plain text formatting and what you type is what you get. I personally don't mind the wiki formatting as plain text input, but one day my boss typed in a ticket for me to do and when I read it, the lines were jumbled together and created a communication issue. - Leon Garrett McGrath wrote: Really the wiki formatting is only there to make things look pretty if they just type it'll come out as plain text (or at least it 'should'). Just reinforce the use of the 'preview and confirm' practice. -Original Message- From: trac-users@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 1:52 PM To: Trac Users Subject: [Trac] Possible to use plain text instead of wikiformatting? Hi all, I was wondering if it's possible to use plain text input in the trac ticket description field instead of wiki formatting? The motivation for this is to present a simpler input format for users that might not be inclined to learn wiki formatting. - Leon --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Trac Users group. To post to this group, send email to trac-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/trac-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Trac] Re: Possible to use plain text instead of wikiformatting?
Leon Torres wrote: It doesn't quite match what the user types in. The specific issue my boss had was when he was typing in several lines like follows: Line 1. Line 2. Line 3. This isn't an itemized list, just several lines intended to be separated by a CR. The wiki formatting put them all into one paragraph: Line1. Line2. Line3. Whereas in a standard pre text, it would come out exactly as the user typed. A middle term would be to simply respect newlines, as we already do for changeset messages. That would avoid most of the issues. I wanted to do that for 0.11 anyway, but wondered about what the default should be. Like we have now, or escape newlines enabled by default? Now that we're talking about the wiki, I'd like to get some feedback about two other possible changes: - what about allowing bulleted list to start at the beginning of line? The constraint of the space in front is a bit artificial, as I don't see many possibility of having false positive. (1) - the WikiCreole standardization initiative is an interesting one, and we can get close without sacrificing much (if anything). (2) I'd be interested to get some feedback on the above points. -- Christian (1) - http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/124#comment:13 (2) - http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4356 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Trac Users group. To post to this group, send email to trac-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/trac-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Trac] Re: Possible to use plain text instead of wikiformatting?
You can put all text in
{{{
}}}
And it will be treated as plain text, but this is not pretty either.
More than anything, I want to be able to take all \n's and turn them
into line breaks, even turn them in to wiki br's by just replacing them
with [br]
-Original Message-
From: trac-users@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Garrett McGrath
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 3:08 PM
To: trac-users@googlegroups.com
Subject: [Trac] Re: Possible to use plain text instead of
wikiformatting?
Ah, well I guess technically this is a wiki formatting thing but if you
just put a second line in like:
Line 1.
Line 2.
Line 3.
It'll work a bit better.
-Original Message-
From: trac-users@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Leon Torres
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 2:33 PM
To: trac-users@googlegroups.com
Subject: [Trac] Re: Possible to use plain text instead of
wikiformatting?
Hi again. :-)
It doesn't quite match what the user types in. The specific issue my
boss had was when he was typing in several lines like follows:
Line 1.
Line 2.
Line 3.
This isn't an itemized list, just several lines intended to be separated
by a CR. The wiki formatting put them all into one paragraph:
Line1. Line2. Line3.
Whereas in a standard pre text, it would come out exactly as the user
typed.
For instance, see the sourceforge issue description boxes. Those use
plain text formatting and what you type is what you get.
I personally don't mind the wiki formatting as plain text input, but one
day my boss typed in a ticket for me to do and when I read it, the lines
were jumbled together and created a communication issue.
- Leon
Garrett McGrath wrote:
Really the wiki formatting is only there to make things look pretty if
they just type it'll come out as plain text (or at least it 'should').
Just reinforce the use of the 'preview and confirm' practice.
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On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 1:52 PM
To: Trac Users
Subject: [Trac] Possible to use plain text instead of wikiformatting?
Hi all,
I was wondering if it's possible to use plain text input in the trac
ticket description field instead of wiki formatting? The motivation
for this is to present a simpler input format for users that might not
be inclined to learn wiki formatting.
- Leon
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[Trac] Re: Possible to use plain text instead of wikiformatting?
Christian Boos wrote: A middle term would be to simply respect newlines, as we already do for changeset messages. That would avoid most of the issues. I wanted to do that for 0.11 anyway, but wondered about what the default should be. Like we have now, or escape newlines enabled by default? I'd like escape-newlines to be on. What about a compromise: respect newlines after 50 chars? I.e. short lines stay short; long lines wrap. Creole respects source line breaks too. -- Gary --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Trac Users group. To post to this group, send email to trac-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/trac-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
