Re: [Trisquel-users] "Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom" keynote from OSCON

2014-07-03 Thread davesamcdxv
Yeah but I think the the former is sometimes a bit too synonymous with the  
latter.


Re: [Trisquel-users] "Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom" keynote from OSCON

2014-07-03 Thread adel . afzal

great post

http://tom.preston-werner.com/2011/11/22/open-source-everything.html

"Have you ever written an amazing library or tool at one job and then left to  
join another company only to rewrite that code or remain miserable in its  
absence? [...] By getting code out in the public we can drastically reduce  
duplication of effort."


"Don't open source anything that represents core business value."




Re: [Trisquel-users] A question about Thinkpenguin's Data Storage Devices.

2014-07-03 Thread chris
The USB drives are always formatted to fat32. The problem with other formats  
is one of compatibility, licensing, and/or permissions.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Chris from Think Penguin LAS interview in case you missed it

2014-07-03 Thread chris

Posted it to the ThinkPenguin blog:

http://thinkpenguin.com/blog


Re: [Trisquel-users] "Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom" keynote from OSCON

2014-07-03 Thread adrian . malacoda
Tom Preston-Warner represents the open source world. In the open source  
world, open source code exists so that proprietary software developers can  
build their proprietary software on top of collaboratively maintained  
libraries and frameworks. That's why his mantra is "open source almost  
everything." "Almost everything" is all libraries, frameworks, infrastructure  
stuff. That is why his vision of "freedom" includes the right to use the code  
in proprietary products. That is the world he comes from.


Re: [Trisquel-users] "Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom" keynote from OSCON

2014-07-03 Thread gramex
>I looked at choosealicense.com, and found out that this page uses the word  
"content" that one should avoid.


Another reason to avoid using the site is that it leaves "No license" on the  
table as a legitimate option.  If you send people to choosealicense.com, they  
may decide to go the no license route. (Of course, they are not legally  
obliged to license their code, but this actively encourages it.)


Re: [Trisquel-users] Blag Gnu and Linux

2014-07-03 Thread mennblack

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[Trisquel-users] Trisquel GNU/Linux installs in legacy/CSM/BIOS (but not EFI) mode but does NOT boot.

2014-07-03 Thread omidlink+trisquel

Hello Trisquel GNU/Linux community,

I'm in the process of liberating a new laptop (Asus X451) from Windows 8.  
(Just in case this may help someone later, the WiFi chip in this computer is  
by Atheros and works with Linux-libre kernel). The computer in question has  
(U)EFI but allows the so-called legacy/CSM/BIOS mode to be enabled and also  
Restricted Boot (or "Secure Boot" as Micro$oft calls it) to be disabled.
Release notes for Trisquel 6.0.1 mention that it works with (U)EFI. So after  
wiping all the Windows partitions and dd'ing the Trisquel 6.0.1 image (the  
Gnome Desktop option) to a USB flash disk, I tried booting up from the flash  
disk with CSM disabled, which means that we are in EFI mode and the efi  
kernel modules must be loaded if things work. But the system does not  
recognize the image on the flash disk and does NOT boot at all. With CSM  
enabled, Trisquel boots up and I can try/install it without any problems,  
except that the installed system does not boot up. In a normal install, I  
have usually used a three-partition setup: one for /, one for /home and one  
for swap. That's what I did for this sytem too. I tried rewriting the MBR  
(Master Boot Record) using grub (after mounting the necessary devices on the  
installed system chrooting) but that didn't solve the problem, neighter did  
"boot-repair" which is basically a GUI for doing what I did manually. I also  
tried a four-partition setup with the extra partition being the first one and  
flagged as bios_grub in gparted. This did NOT boot either.


Here are my questions:
- Why is it that I cannot boot into the Trisquel flash disk in EFI mode?

- How can I get the installed system to boot up? I don't care about EFI and  
I'm happy with BIOS/CSM mode for now. I'm out of ideas.


- A flash disk with an image of the spyware distro Ubuntu 14.04 boots up in  
EFI mode just fine. I read on their website that images for 12.04.02 and  
later work in EFI mode. Does Trisquel 6.0.1 correspond to 12.04.01 or  
12.04.02?


Re: [Trisquel-users] A question about Thinkpenguin's Data Storage Devices.

2014-07-03 Thread franparpe

Thank you for answer, but that was not what I was asking.

I know I can always reformat the device, but I want to know the defaults from  
Thinkpenguin in order to have a reference for my learning.


Re: [Trisquel-users] A question about Thinkpenguin's Data Storage Devices.

2014-07-03 Thread legimet . calc

You can always reformat them, so it shouldn't really matter.


[Trisquel-users] A question about Thinkpenguin's Data Storage Devices.

2014-07-03 Thread franparpe

Greetings ladies and gentlemen.

I've been doing research about File Systems and I want to ask what File  
System type have, the Thinkpenguin's Storage Devices, by default.


Thank you.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Chris from Think Penguin LAS interview in case you missed it

2014-07-03 Thread franparpe

So, that is why I found it strange; they have cutted the interview.

I think the other companies do not find funny what smaller competitors are  
doing to counter-attack their deceitful behavior (generalization).


you where great on that interview Chris.

Thank you for your consideration t3g.


PD: I've noticed your FSF shirt Chris :).


Re: [Trisquel-users] So is this true about AMD on Trisquel?

2014-07-03 Thread mtjm
At least the ME microcode for R600 (and probably earlier CP microcode) is  
simple code with separate instructions for reading or writing registers, Rob  
Clark of Freedreno partially reverse engineered the instruction format.   
Newer Radeons have different ISAs.  (ME is microengine, CP is control  
processor which has e.g. ME; it's not related to the Intel management engine  
used for AMT.)


Lack of existing free compilers is not an issue here: it needs a very simple  
assembler and some ISA documentation.  It's not like CPU microcode or FPGA  
data.


Some time-consuming work is needed to reverse engineer the ISA and replace  
the microcode, all interested people that I know have other projects and do  
not have enough free time to do this.


(There was an important kernel change regarding microcode dependency: now  
modesetting won't work on recent Radeons without the microcode, since the  
driver uses features that require it. I don't know the details of these  
changes.)


Re: [Trisquel-users] So is this true about AMD on Trisquel?

2014-07-03 Thread legimet . calc
I have a Replicant tablet with PowerVR. I really hope someone reverse  
engineers it.


BTW, the Raspberry Pi's GPU blob was actually freed by Broadcom. :)
https://libv.livejournal.com/26434.html


Re: [Trisquel-users] "Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom" keynote from OSCON

2014-07-03 Thread legimet . calc
Freedom 0 means that you can use the program in whatever way you want, not  
that you can do whatever you want with it.


[Trisquel-users] Can't block a subdomain in /etc/hosts

2014-07-03 Thread contact

Hello guys,

I have some problems blocking a facebook subdomain in /etc/hosts. I am able  
to block facebook.com but I cannot block a subdomain called  
ro-ro.facebook.com.


I'm typing everything as I should but it just doesn't work, it's very weird.

Did anyone met with this problem, with facebook subdomains and knows how to  
solve it ?


In case you ask yoursels why I'm trying to do that, the reason is that I want  
to cure a friend from this disease called facebook.


Thanks in advance.

Best regards,


Re: [Trisquel-users] Unfortunatly I need to try to get flash player installed on triquel for an algebra course.

2014-07-03 Thread davesamcdxv

Whoops, should've known better about the linking part!


Re: [Trisquel-users] "Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom" keynote from OSCON

2014-07-03 Thread tobias
Some time ago I heard that github is not "Open Source", so I decided to use  
gitorius insted which is copylefted free software under the AGPL. At this  
time I was a Mac User but I know that "if something is not open source, it is  
certainly not free software." [RMS]


When I browse github, I still find lots of code that does not have a licence.  
People who do care about freedom, know that you have to select a free license  
to give the users freedom. It does not have to be the GPL, you can use the  
LGPL, Apache License, or the MIT licence. As long the licence is compatible  
with the GPL the choice of the licence is OK. Using a free licence that is  
incompatible limits the use with GNU so this should not be done. Recently  
Apple begin relicencing some components of Mac OS X under the Apache Licence,  
so I can use them together with GNUstep.


I looked at choosealicense.com, and found out that this page uses the word  
"content" that one should avoid. I think you can use the GPL for other data  
which is not code, even if the data is only avialable in binary format.


Re: [Trisquel-users] "Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom" keynote from OSCON

2014-07-03 Thread onpon4
No, that's a permissive license. Incidentally, since this anti-GPL FUD  
includes complaints that the GPL is long, it doesn't work to support the  
Apache License, itself being lengthy.


Re: [Trisquel-users] So is this true about AMD on Trisquel?

2014-07-03 Thread tobias
Some time ago when I did not care about freedom, I was using AMD CPUs. When I  
switched to Trisquel I realized that AMD does not want users to have freedom.  
AMD could easly solve the problem by burning the firmware into a ROM or  
hardwiring the command processor. I think releasing the source code would not  
help here in this specific case, as there is no free compiler that handles  
hardware description languages and works with real hardware.


I also learned how to reverse engineer the nonfree firmware that drives the  
Yamaha FB-01. In this case the nonfree program was burned into a ROM, so that  
old device is not a problematic one. The CPU is a well known one, and free  
disassembly tools are avialable. I also know how to design a CPU, which can  
be implemented on an FPGA. I know that there is a reverse engineering project  
that tries to replace the nonfree tools required to program an FPGA.


Recently I baught a refurbished OpenPandora. First I deleted all nonfree  
firmwares, and installed the free firmware for the TPE-N150USB. Now I can use  
the wireless network without giving up my freedom. I think the hardest part  
here is GPU, as there are no free drivers and no free fireware for the GPU.  
There is a reverse engineering project at[1], but this seems to be dead. But  
I can play some games such as Wesnoth and Tetris without using nonfree  
software. Unlike the Raspberry Pi no nonfree startup software is required,  
instead a boot-ROM is used instead. I think using a ROM for the boot firmware  
is the best solution as it prevents the user from accidently bricking the  
computer.


Currently I do not have time to reverse engineer the GPU as I'm working on a  
free software replacement for the mbrola speech synthesizer. I can do so  
without reverse engineering, as the algorithms used by mbrola are well  
documented. Reverse engineering would be needed if you want to use mbrola  
voices with a free program. However the licence of the mbrola project does  
not allow to use of the voices with a different program than mbrola itself.


[1]  
https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/new-high-priority-project-powervr-drivers  
  


Re: [Trisquel-users] Chris from Think Penguin LAS interview in case you missed it

2014-07-03 Thread chris
This was only a small part of the interview. Unfortunately the choice of  
words in the beginning was poor, but it wouldn't have been so bad had they  
actually kept the part where I went into what free software was and how Linux  
Mint, Ubuntu, etc were not totally free.


I was very conscious of my initial wording, but on the spot interviews can be  
challenging. Particularly when your trying to communicate both freedom and  
compatibility at the same time.


Essentially the reason I included Linux Mint was I wanted to make clear we're  
not solely compatible with 100% free software distributions and that you  
don't have to use a 100% free distribution to gain some of the advantages of  
100% free software friendly hardware.


What we don't want is people buying hardware dependent on non-free  
components. That would just increase the amount of non-free software actively  
being used as well as make it more difficult to more away from distributions  
with lots of non-free software.


In any event I think it could have been much worse. Overall I think it came  
out better than I expected. It also probably didn't help that System76  
sponsors the show (or did). I think I made a distinction between us,  
System76, Dell, and other companies in the space. That might have been why  
they cut out the rest of the interview.






Re: [Trisquel-users] "Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom" keynote from OSCON

2014-07-03 Thread tegskywalker

GPL gives total freedom to the user, but restricted freedom to the developer.

Permissive gives total freedom to the user and developer, but then allows  
other developers to change the intention of the original developer by making  
proprietary or bundling it with other proprietary software.


Re: [Trisquel-users] "Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom" keynote from OSCON

2014-07-03 Thread tegskywalker
I'm not Tom Preston-Wener, so therefore I didn't give the speech in question.  
Direct your anger towards him.


Re: [Trisquel-users] "Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom" keynote from OSCON

2014-07-03 Thread tegskywalker

Doesn't Apache 2.0 fix this?


Re: [Trisquel-users] So is this true about AMD on Trisquel?

2014-07-03 Thread onpon4
That's just what not valuing freedom leads to. You've got people thinking  
it's fine because of where the proprietary firmware is being run, and it  
doesn't help that the main distribution of the kernel Linux includes these  
proprietary blobs. For example, one of the people responsible for the  
OpenPandora once justified proprietary firmware as "more open" than  
proprietary drivers because you can get the firmware to work with any OS. If  
all you value is "openness", this makes sense. If you value freedom, a  
proprietary firmware requirement is no better than a proprietary driver  
requirement.


Indeed, using an old Nvidia card (that works with Nouveau) is the best  
choice. I don't think there's even an active reverse-engineering effort for  
Radeon cards, so you can expect them to be essentially pieces of junk  
forever.


Re: [Trisquel-users] "Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom" keynote from OSCON

2014-07-03 Thread onpon4

Exactly.


Re: [Trisquel-users] "Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom" keynote from OSCON

2014-07-03 Thread shiretoko

Not quite.
Writing proprietary software is more like offering somebody to become a slave  
at free will.

It's like raising the question: "who wants to become my slave voluntarily?".
It's similar but not the same like enslaving people directly since they are  
free to choose whether they want to use it or not.




Re: [Trisquel-users] So is this true about AMD on Trisquel?

2014-07-03 Thread os9junkie
Well then why the heck do they even celebrate these drivers like a win for  
GNU/Linux users?  You can't even use them wihtout proprietary code!  I don't  
understand supposed "Linux enthusiasts" writers that are doing this then... I  
mean if anything it'll get current Free software users to accidently convert  
to closed code.  At least that's how it's worked for me, lol.  I sadly don't  
have an Intel chipset, I prefer AMD (don't ask why, I just do, lol).  I use a  
high end ASUS motherboard as well, so it can use four videocards at once, but  
doesn't contain an integrated video card.  This kinda stinks!  So my only  
hope of 3D acceleration in Trisquel is using Intel integrated graphics (NOT  
my prefered choice) or antique Nvidia cards like the 9500GT?  Thanks for your  
respose by the way.


[Trisquel-users] Re : So is this true about AMD on Trisquel?

2014-07-03 Thread magicbanana
Radeon cards work on Trisquel. But because of the proprietary firmware you  
mentioned (and that remains proprietary until now), some features do not  
work. That includes 3D acceleration.


If your computer has an Intel graphical chipset (the case for all Intel  
processors, for many years), you had better removed the Radeon card and enjoy  
the perfect support of this chipset by the Linux-libre kernel (that all free  
GNU/Linux distributions, including Trisquel, use). You would save energy in  
this way too.


[Trisquel-users] Re : "Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom" keynote from OSCON

2014-07-03 Thread magicbanana
* Enough protection is offered to be relatively sure you won't sue me if  
something goes wrong when you use my code.


Using my code in proprietary software is "something that goes wrong". And  
something permissive licenses do not protect from (by definition).


Re: [Trisquel-users] "Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom" keynote from OSCON

2014-07-03 Thread davesamcdxv
Actually the GPL sin't focused on "total" (any better words?) freedom as it  
basically says "Don't tell the world that it's your writing since it wasn't,  
and don't you dare to re-release a version of this software that is not

*free* ",

while non-copyleft lincences simply say "Don't tell the world it's your  
writing since it's actually mine"


Free is defined by the 4 software freedoms (though I disagree with RMS in  
that I think freedom 0 should be "To use a programme, for any purpose *that  
doesn't deprive the programme's consumers from freedoms 1, 2, and 3* ")


[Trisquel-users] So is this true about AMD on Trisquel?

2014-07-03 Thread os9junkie
I was very excited to learn and start using AMD graphics cards on GNU/Linux  
with the "open source" graphics drivers, but I'm not sure what the future  
looks like for these drivers?  I've been biting at the bit to be a full  
Trisquel user but have been too unsuccessful in the past due to the older  
kernels/versions.  I'm waiting on Trisquel 7 and a newer Kernel (I have used  
Lubuntu 14.04 so I could try the 3.13 kernel with the OSS Drivers).  I'm  
really impressed with the performance of the Xorg drivers for AMD, but here's  
the big question now.  I'm now reading in some places that the AMD OSS  
drivers won't even work with Trisquel because of 'micro-code issues'.  Is  
this true?  I mean has this been resolved with the newer kernels (no  
micro-code needed)?  It seems that some people use the terms 'driver' and  
'micro-code' and 'firmware' interchangably, so I'm wondering if this is true  
or that people are confusing each other by using different terms and  
referencing older kernels without the newer Xorg drivers.  Anyways, I was  
hoping someone on here had an answer for me.  Thanks.


Re: [Trisquel-users] "Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom" keynote from OSCON

2014-07-03 Thread onpon4
I'd like to add that the logic used here would also work for justifying the  
legalization of slavery. You could say, "We want workers to have the freedom  
to choose how they want to work, and that's why permitting people to sell  
themselves into slavery is the best way." (It's not the same, mind you, but  
this does show how absurd the logic is.)