Re: [Trisquel-users] Ethical Javascript Reference
> Why in the world would you avoid the webbrowser like that? A Web browser is an HTML and JavaScript interpreter. I didn't say it had to be an interpreter that isn't a Web browser. Only that it shouldn't be on the Web, i.e. used by accessing it on the Web. > You are aware that you can store many javascript apps onto your pc and then execute it without internet connection as many times as you want? Yes, exactly! If you are using HTML and JavaScript to make applications, that's what I advocate. > Very often the browser even does it for you, storing the code in his cache ( a fact that you ignored through out your whole post). I ignored that fact because it's irrelevant. The browser caches Web pages, and caching JavaScript code is a part of that. It doesn't cache them forever, only for a short time to avoid wasting bandwidth unnecessarily. This is entirely unrelated to what we are talking about. > Of course many of those javascript apps are dependent on a working internet connection, but so are many desktop apps. There's a big difference between a client you install connecting to a server and the server installing the client for you. > Others are not. You can right now search for a simple calculator app online, go to "save page" and then pull the ethernet cable. And that's fine. As long as this calculator program is libre, there's nothing wrong with it. So let's get back to the original point: this is a separate thing from Websites. My points were thus: 1. Websites do not need JavaScript. 2. JavaScript applications do need JavaScript, by definition. However, they should not be made into "Web apps". They should be distributed the same way as any program. Therefore, the need for JavaScript applications to have JavaScript is not a valid justification for the use of JavaScript on the Web. Notice that none of this has to do with the merits of JavaScript as a language for building applications. It's all about its use on the Web.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Vikings X200
Hi gderok, You might also consider the Libreboot T400 from Minifree: https://minifree.org/product/libreboot-t400/ It uses the same CPU and GPU as the X200, but has a bigger screen and better cooling. It's currently at a special low price on Minifree. ~Leah
Re: [Trisquel-users] Topic locked, huh? Follow up to making Coreboot work with full disk encryption on ASUS KFSN4-DRE
Posts get automatically locked by the system after a period of time.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Vikings X200
Three reviews are already on the product page under the Reviews tab: https://store.vikings.net/libre-friendly-hardware/x200-ryf-certfied Technoethical also sells X200 that is appreciated, with twelve reviews: https://technoethical.com/tet-x200
[Trisquel-users] Topic locked, huh? Follow up to making Coreboot work with full disk encryption on ASUS KFSN4-DRE
Original post (suddenly locked, go figure): https://trisquel.info/en/forum/asus-kfsn-4-dre-end-november-2016 Yeah, so the real problem is that after cryptomount -a, "set root='lvm/rootvolume-logicalvolume" can't be found. hmm... The only difference is that I have other disks, so other volume groups. The other thing is trying to get SeaBIOS chainloaded from GRUB. In the Coreboot documentation, the path shown goes from memdisk. I guess what cbfsdisk is (inside the rom), but what's this memdisk? The definition on the web isn't very easy to understand. For the font issue, I'll try to add the font to the cbfs, and modify the path accordingly in grub.cfg. Oh, and I gotta try with the officially unsupported 6 core CPU. Who knows, with some luck...
Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot T400 returns on Minifree, with Trisquel preinstalled at permanently reduced price
Great news, the price is nice! And it seems the RAM is upgradable as well.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot T400 returns on Minifree, with Trisquel preinstalled at permanently reduced price
Heather, so there you have it. It looks like I was right... except for the part about upgrading CPU. It seems you can use ivy CPU on sandy motherboard, on T420 at least. not sure about in factory BIOS but maybe you could ask in #coreboot IRC about it
Re: [Trisquel-users] p2p networks supported on trisquel? and p2p encrypted chat supported on trisquel?
mangy dawg, I'm disappointed. No ricochet? Shame on you!
Re: [Trisquel-users] purism reverse engineering
>The strength of the intel me verification is the fact, that >we cannot do anything about the key because is in a rom? I think so. >Is it known where the keys are located? The public key is on the ROM- which I'm pretty sure is embedded inside the ME and (although I might be wrong) read-only (ROM stands for read-only memory). If it is read-only, then you can't disable it- no matter how hard you try. The private key doesn't come with the computer at all. >Do we know if each intel me computer model has its own >verifying keys? Each Intel ME version has a different keypair, but the keypair is the same for all MEs of the same version- as the good reference https://libreboot.org/faq.html#intel puts it, "This manifest is signed with a strong cryptographic key, which differs between versions of the ME firmware." >If a computer model would turn out to be a non seller, then >the manufacturer and intel, if agreeing about themselves, >could make the intel me software and secret key public in >order to increase sales to libre software people? Yes, but no. It's certainly possible- indeed, Intel could do that by themselves, since even the manufacturer doesn't have the private key (they have one for the BIOS, but that's a separate issue). However, by the same token, one computer being a failure is unlikely to persuade Intel. Unless the Intel ME caused massive damage to sales for a significant number of devices with their chipsets, the sheer number of devices brought to market with such chips means the company likely wouldn't be phased if just one didn't sell.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot T400 returns on Minifree, with Trisquel preinstalled at permanently reduced price
Someone upgraded (to i7-3632qm) T420 in Coreboot, he says that it needs some code for HD4000 GPU, nothing more. So, it is the same socket.
[Trisquel-users] Vikings X200
I thinking about buy an libre laptop : Vikings X200. Is there someone who use it too? I will be happy for any review about this laptop. Cheers, Gderok.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot T400 returns on Minifree, with Trisquel preinstalled at permanently reduced price
Leah I admire you and your work since Libreboot born. You always helped me a lot. Also thanks you for your most complete documentation, guides, and a lot of helpful info. Thanks for gift to us the most important program for free software community. I do not have much money but I always can make some small donations, and I can do some donations through paypal, yes I know it is not the best way. Thanks for your work!
Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot T400 returns on Minifree, with Trisquel preinstalled at permanently reduced price
What Leah said is true. Thanks, Leah!
Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot T400 returns on Minifree, with Trisquel preinstalled at permanently reduced price
Heather, you could consider Technoethical to get your X200T flashed, yes. I forgot about that one. As I said, I'm not interested in X200T but you could ship your X200T to Technoethical for libreboot install. You'll still have to deal with customs and so on (Technoethical is in Romania, afaik).
Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot T400 returns on Minifree, with Trisquel preinstalled at permanently reduced price
your existing software configuration under GNU+Linux will work just fine. I've used KDE, GNOME, OpenBox, LXDE etc just fine on my own X60 and other libreboot systems for libreboot install you just need a terminal, and the libreboot utils (e.g. flashrom)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot T400 returns on Minifree, with Trisquel preinstalled at permanently reduced price
In our shop Technoethical we sell readily available X200 Tablets with libreboot and fully free GNU distros. https://tehnoetic.com/laptops/tet-x200t And we also offer the service of libreboot installation service for the laptops we sell T500, T400, X200 Tablet, X200, and for other hardware on customer's request. https://tehnoetic.com/laptops/tet-lis We ship and install libreboot both in Europe and America. /tct
[Trisquel-users] Kate has an intolerable flaw; read on, please.
Several times I have been working on an already-saved text file in Kate when I inadvertently touch a certain but unknown key on my keyboard that instantly transforms several kilobytes of data into a single line of text, usually the last line that I was trying to paste into the file. There is no safe way of undoing that error, and closing Kate then replaces the previous work with that one line, destroying the entire file. There is no "are you sure ?" popup window, no menu choice appears. I'm hosed. What is that miserable little key, and why does Kate permit this error in the first place ? Until I find out what's wrong, Kate is banished. Gone.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot T400 returns on Minifree, with Trisquel preinstalled at permanently reduced price
You have encouraged me so much that I may have the machine I'm typing this on librebooted by the afternoon. ;) Or not. When I do either kill or free these 32 bit machines I use instead of eReaders, will I need to have the full Gnome desktop installed or can I "make it work" with Flux? If not, can I free them with the full gnome desktop and then just switch hard drives? There are other posters on this forum who can answer these questions if you don't have time right now, so this is not personally directed towards you if you are busy, just something that is wrong with me that people who know me are already accustomed to.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot T400 returns on Minifree, with Trisquel preinstalled at permanently reduced price
Hi Heather, I kind of have no choice but to be social publicly so I just stoic it up but yes I totally understand anxiety and all that If you haven't already, the X60T is really easy to flash. You can it all in software, from the distro running on it, without taking it apart: https://libreboot.org/docs/install/#flashrom_lenovobios As for your X200T; that is a little bit harder. Unlike the regular X200 which has a SOIC-16 chip and is easier to flash (using a SOIC-16 clip), the X200T uses a different type of flash chip; you have to remove it with a hot-air gun, and then solder a SOIC-8 SPI chip (same pin-out as the WSON-8 chip on X200T) and flash that. swiftgeek on #libreboot IRC uses an X200T and can help you with that. My time is stretched so providing flashing service on X200T isn't really something I'm personally interested in... but there are people in #libreboot IRC who can help you. Yes, keep an eye out for announcements on libreboot.org if and when X220 becomes available. T420 would likely be easy, so at that time I'd be happy to help you flash it. ~Leah
Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot T400 returns on Minifree, with Trisquel preinstalled at permanently reduced price
Thank you. That may or may not work out better depending on my time and educational limitations and how things play out with the recent exploit. I know that I don't have enough money/time/skills to do everything I want in life (I'm in my fifties) but this has been on my back burner for a LONG time and New Jersey is much closer to my physical location, which I don't like to discuss online any more than I have to. The shipping to New Jersey is doable for me. I'll talk to Patrick if I decide to just let a big smart person make it all better for me, but do know that I wish I could support Minifree in my own small way even if that isn't realistic.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ethical Javascript Reference
"Why did you say nothing to the last paragraph in my post?" Because if you understood the rest of my points, your proposal in the last paragraph becomes obsolete. Using javascript locally with some kind of html interpreter? Why in the world would you avoid the webbrowser like that? You are aware that you can store many javascript apps onto your pc and then execute it without internet connection as many times as you want? Very often the browser even does it for you, storing the code in his cache ( a fact that you ignored through out your whole post). Of course many of those javascript apps are dependent on a working internet connection, but so are many desktop apps. Others are not. You can right now search for a simple calculator app online, go to "save page" and then pull the ethernet cable. Well, I agree that it would be handy to package bigger web apps as some sort of browser add on, so that it really stays in the browser and doesn't have to be downloaded over and over again. By the way, I never claimed that the situation with web based apps should stay the way it is now, but I guess I start to repeat myself. "No, they're inherently spyware because every time they're used, your server is contacted. As in, no matter how friendly the code is, it's set up in such a way that you can track when they are running the program." Again, not true. If the browser doesn't store the app in his cache, then it might be true, but it's a matter of configuration. And if the app depends on a server connection by its nature, then this would also hold for an equivalent desktop app.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot T400 returns on Minifree, with Trisquel preinstalled at permanently reduced price
I will take you up on that when it is a convenient time for both of us. Email and forums are easier for me, sometimes too easy. I go by no ord inarys pider on IRC, without the spaces. Besides the T420, I actually have project computers: two X60T plural and an X200T that I bought with the intention of doing my best trying to learn how to libreboot them and accepting the consequences if I bricked them. Life happened and although I can spare the $15-$20 I spent on them, they are worth more than money to me now. Please do remember the airplane oxygen mask metaphor and all that "I am old enough to be your mother" stuff though. We need you.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot T400 returns on Minifree, with Trisquel preinstalled at permanently reduced price
as a rule, I don't generally take "donations" as such. Libreboot is currently attempting to re-join the GNU project. If that is successful, then the project might start accepting donations through the FSF. If not, then we might set up our own non-profit organisation (not sure which country. Maybe Germany)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot T400 returns on Minifree, with Trisquel preinstalled at permanently reduced price
A...Leah I admire you so much, especially the way you just threw away a sale and encouraged me to use my brain instead of my credit card but I'm having the same problem getting this lousy twenty dollars to you. It isn't worth but so much trouble but I'm sad. Oh well, mentally insert "Some work in progress who likes me wishes she could help and wants to as soon as she learns how.", okay? I don't know you well enough to say "Love you, girl." so let's just settle for "Go, you!"
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ethical Javascript Reference
Why did you say nothing to the last paragraph in my post? > A lot of people already did learn them already. If those people want to make an app, why wouldn't they make use of their knowledge? Maybe they would. Seriously, how could this possibly be your answer when I already clarified my position in the last paragraph of my previous post, which you didn't respond to? I'm not against JavaScript as a language. I'm against the use of JavaScript on the Web. If you already know JavaScript and want to make an application as a local JavaScript application, that's fine. It's when such a program is served by a server as a Web application that there's a problem. > Now it is true that performance of interpreted languages That's not what I meant by "inefficient". I meant that the system of JavaScript on the Web is inefficient. You can't just download the program once and execute it whenever you like; every time, you have to open a Web browser and navigate to the website. It's a waste of bandwidth. > ... if used without care. But security issues are also present in the desktop world... The system of JavaScript on the Web is what I was saying is unnecessarily dangerous. The system being one that just takes programs offered by arbitrary sources and runs them without question. This is not the same thing as normal security vulnerabilities. It's rather a security breach waiting to happen. This has nothing whatsoever to do with how you as a developer program things in JavaScript. > That's just nonsense. The apps I built so far don't spy on anybody, and anybody who reads the source code can verify this. No, they're inherently spyware because every time they're used, your server is contacted. As in, no matter how friendly the code is, it's set up in such a way that you can track when they are running the program.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot T400 returns on Minifree, with Trisquel preinstalled at permanently reduced price
Hi Heather, Also, there is Libiquity which is based in New Jersey, USA. http://libiquity.com/ I'm not sure whether they would actually sell T420/X220, when and if it would become available for Libreboot, but if you couldn't go to a workshop and couldn't install it yourself, you might be able to save a bit of money and ship it to them for flashing. You'd save money on international shipping, and wouldn't have to deal with customs etc. That's Patrick's company (I mentioned Patrick in an earlier reply in the thread). It's basically Minifree's US counterpart (I don't run Libiquity, though, I just know the owner). He doesn't advertise a "libreboot installation service" on his website, but he has accepted peoples laptops before for that purpose. That would probably be cheaper for you than getting Minifree to do it, which is based in the UK, if you couldn't flash it yourself and couldn't get it done at a workshop or hackerspace. ~Leah
Re: [Trisquel-users] AMD Is apparently taking requests for feedback from community.
Which answer would you prefer? The fsf is busy, we will not answer your email. Or Thank you for reaching out to us with your ideas. The latter saying, do not email us. We ignore your emails. I know which answer I would prefer. Responding emails with no content does not work for corporations. It is worse when fsf sends them.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ethical Javascript Reference
"Yeah, if that device has an Internet connection, and your server serving that Web app is still up, and all HTML features your Web app depends on are supporded and enabled. But you're approaching this from the standpoint of a developer who wants their app to be popular" That's reminding me of somebody who is arguing against the benefits of cars in comparison to horses. "If the car is not running out of gasoline, if it's not broken, if there are big enough streets..." There is no perfect technology so far, everything is evolving. Servers will become more reliable, internet connection just as normal as electricity. "Are you implying that HTML and JavaScript don't have to be learned?" A lot of people already did learn them already. If those people want to make an app, why wouldn't they make use of their knowledge? "It's inefficient..." depends on your criteria of "efficiency". For a webdeveloper, using the knowledge he already has in order to achieve the desired result is very efficient. For a user, getting his app without having to install it, just by clicking a link, is very efficient. Now it is true that performance of interpreted languages like javascript are far inferior to compiled languages like c++. But for a lot of projects, this doesn't really matter. By the way, python is also not one of the most efficient languages out there... "...unnecessarily dangerous..." ... if used without care. But security issues are also present in the desktop world... "...is inherently spyware" That's just nonsense. The apps I built so far don't spy on anybody, and anybody who reads the source code can verify this. The only thing I can see is who actually requested the app, equivalent to who downloaded it in the desktop world. Quite the opposite: while desktop apps come to the user most of the time in binary form, the user has to trust the guy who compiled and packaged the app not to mess with the code before compiling. You can not check if the source code you see is really the source code you get. It's different with javascript apps: open the source code, and there you go, you can verify it right away. " I'm sorry, but the popularity of your app, as a developer, is egotistical and unimportant. What matters is the liberty of the users." You talk as if you have to decide for one single criteria. You can strive for popularity and still care about the liberty of the users, you know. You're being overly dramatic and emotional here.
Re: [Trisquel-users] AMD Is apparently taking requests for feedback from community.
Nobody does that. Anybody who does knows nothing about PR.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot T400 returns on Minifree, with Trisquel preinstalled at permanently reduced price
Is a flashing something you can expect to do and not encounter errors? Or having to go through several flashing attempts?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot T400 returns on Minifree, with Trisquel preinstalled at permanently reduced price
About https://minifree.org/paypal/ You are entitled to make this decision. My question to minifree.org and libreboot.org is, could you on minifree.org or libreboot.org add a webpage for voluntary paypal payments? A page saying, if you want to make a voluntary paypal payment you may do so to this email address. The email address is for voluntary payments only.
Re: [Trisquel-users] AMD Is apparently taking requests for feedback from community.
Apparently I cannot make my point. I think my writing is explicit and should be understandable. The responses I get tell me differently. I think you are the 3. person offering an explanation why fsf did not act on my suggestions or answer my questions. That is missing the point. My argument is, what ever reasons fsf may had to not answer my questions or discard my suggestions, fsf should write them in an email to me. You cannot write on behalf of the fsf. Read my 6. post. I do not applaud that the fsf did not either: Answer my questions and took position on my suggestions. Or: Wrote me, the fsf is too busy to answer you. Instead I got a brushing off corporate language answer. Which is unacceptable. I think people should not be overly loyal to the fsf.
Re: [Trisquel-users] p2p networks supported on trisquel? and p2p encrypted chat supported on trisquel?
When I tried to fix broken package... I got this error E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. E: Unable to correct dependencies E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. E: Unable to correct dependencies thank you
[Trisquel-users] Re : p2p networks supported on trisquel? and p2p encrypted chat supported on trisquel?
To fix broken packages Choose Edit > Fix Broken Packages from the menu. Choose Apply Marked Changes from the Edit menu or press Ctrl + P. Confirm the summary of changes and click Apply.
Re: [Trisquel-users] p2p networks supported on trisquel? and p2p encrypted chat supported on trisquel?
hi how I could resolve the broken page error issue in synapatic? I cannot locate broken package with custom filter. I had broken page error when I tried to install follow package 0.0.0+git20150512.r2844-1~trusty+1+7.0trisquel ? What are the different between Qtox, utox and other tox ? is it better to use Qtox? (all the features? Thank you
Re: [Trisquel-users] Er her andre fra Danmark?
That sounds good. Please post a message once you know when you'll be here.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Er her andre fra Danmark?
Hej Dasj. Tak for dit svar. Jeg håber, vi ses måske på freenode eller i virkeligheden.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Mission impossible: Family privacy
Hi all. I haven't had time to write this week, but I have followed your comments all along the way. Firstly I am glad to see that so many has a say on this matter. Though these issues relate to most user here (I suppose), some of your comments are direct answers to my questions and frustrations. Thanks a lot. There are a number of references to sites, books, video etc that are all relevant. I don't have time to check them all out but I will remember them and return to them later. Your comments and advices have given me inspiration to tackle the issue though I am sure there is no easy solution. For now I consider these approaches: - Convincing my wife, that we must have clear and strict rules about the use of mobiles, tablets and computers. (This should preferably include not sending or posting pictures, but I that is such a big part of there social life so I don't believe it has much chance). - coincidentally watch these movies when the big kids are around: Citizen4, 1984, The story of Aaron Schwartz, Matrix (the others suggested here I don't know yet) Besides, I would like to make a make - or better yet find - a collection of examples of people being affected to privacy issues including being hacked. For instance, there is a Danish story a you guy who was recorded from his own laptop when playing with himself (https://www.version2.dk/artikel/dansk-journalist-paa-fodboldtur-jeg-blev-hacket-paa-fodboldtur-udsat-afpresning-1070079). Sorry for the language (Danish) The above is aiming at the big kids. For the younger one, I will try to let her grow up with GNU and Replicant devices. Since I don't have the skills to show here the technical potential of libre software, my best shot will probably be to get her used to i.e. Trisquel and Replicant. Aaaarrrghhh I need more time: I would like to make a wiki about these issues and possible approaches. Do you have suggestions for libre games for young kids?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ethical Javascript Reference
> First of all: why not? It's inefficient, unnecessarily dangerous, inordinately difficult for the user to control (if not outright impossible), doesn't work without an Internet connection, is inherently spyware, and unnecessary. Essentially, it's all the same problems as SaaSS, with added security risk. "Why not?" is not a "very good reason" to do something. It's a question. > With web based programming languages, it's a breeze to create a gui for your application, while on the desktop you have to deal with a huge jungle of different libraries like gtk, qt, wxwidgets and so on. I have no idea how easy it is to design a GUI in an HTML page, but come on, you can't be serious. You don't need to deal with "a huge jungle" of different libraries. You just need to choose one of them. There are even pretty designer GUIs like Qt Designer that you can use. > All of those require a significant amount of time to get used to their very own way of creating a graphical frontend, showing buttons, forms, tabs, reacting on events - all the stuff that a browser can do easily and in a very intuitive way with html and javascript. Are you implying that HTML and JavaScript don't have to be learned? > Your app will very likely run on any device, at least if you take care, it can be even used with smartphones and tablets. Yeah, if that device has an Internet connection, and your server serving that Web app is still up, and all HTML features your Web app depends on are supporded and enabled. But you're approaching this from the standpoint of a developer who wants their app to be popular. I'm sorry, but the popularity of your app, as a developer, is egotistical and unimportant. What matters is the liberty of the users. > Why should I spent time and effort to learn a desktop gui library whose future is uncertain and radius is limited in order to create an app that a lot of people will not bother to download and install? Are we even on the same page here? I don't have a problem with using JavaScript as a language. I have a problem with embedding JavaScript code, or any software, into Web pages. If all you want to do is use HTML and JavaScript to write a desktop application that runs locally, have at it. Send people the download the exact same way you would any other download. You can even bundle in an HTML and JavaScript interpreter for good measure. This is very different from making users visit a Web page any time they want to use an app. It's not a Web application (it's not accessed through the Web), just a local JavaScript application.
Re: [Trisquel-users] purism reverse engineering
>finding any such technique would be absolutely terrible, as it would render most forms of encryption ineffective. You are right, but if any encryption can be broken, it is important it gets discovered and made public.
Re: [Trisquel-users] purism reverse engineering
What I wrote about the public key was rubbish. The strength of the intel me verification is the fact, that we cannot do anything about the key because is in a rom? Is it known where the keys are located? I heard of a person who on an apple computer found the system verification software on a fan chip. He was able to disable the software. Then he could install another system on the computer. Do we know if each intel me computer model has its own verifying keys? If a computer model would turn out to be a non seller, then the manufacturer and intel, if agreeing about themselves, could make the intel me software and secret key public in order to increase sales to libre software people? >finding any such technique would be absolutely terrible, as it would render most forms of encryption ineffective. You are right, but if any encryption can be broken, it is important it gets discovered and made public.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot T400 returns on Minifree, with Trisquel preinstalled at permanently reduced price
On 28/05/17 04:30, wrote: > I've re-added the T400 to Minifree, with Trisquel preinstalled by > default as before. This complies with the FSF's Respects Your Freedom > certification. > > The price is also much lower than before (it's currently cheaper than > all other Libreboot laptops sold by other companies): That's great news! Helping people to break free. -- Ignacio Agulló · agu...@ati.es
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ethical Javascript Reference
"Web pages are not supposed to be software." I think this is the core of our disagreement, and all further arguments will always end up returning to this one. While it may be your opinion that "web pages are not supposed to be software", other people have a different opinion, and for very good reasons. First of all: why not? With web based programming languages, it's a breeze to create a gui for your application, while on the desktop you have to deal with a huge jungle of different libraries like gtk, qt, wxwidgets and so on. All of those require a significant amount of time to get used to their very own way of creating a graphical frontend, showing buttons, forms, tabs, reacting on events - all the stuff that a browser can do easily and in a very intuitive way with html and javascript. Your app will very likely run on any device, at least if you take care, it can be even used with smartphones and tablets. Why should I spent time and effort to learn a desktop gui library whose future is uncertain and radius is limited in order to create an app that a lot of people will not bother to download and install? It's already there: your browser can do all of this stuff. If you want it or not, webpages did become software. Rather than refusing to accept this development, we should rather face it and try to solve the ethical issues that come with it. I already proposed a lot of steps how it can be done.
[Trisquel-users] Re : p2p networks supported on trisquel? and p2p encrypted chat supported on trisquel?
Hi Lynn As explained above there are several ways in which you can install & run a Tox client Trisquel repositary (easy & safe, it will receive security updates) (however the version, is an less recent version) Install from the Tox repositary (adding this repositary to your list of software sources exactly like you did to install Jistsi) https://tox.chat/download.html#gnulinux Or a stand alone bundle tar.gz package (download, uncompress, and launch) https://tox.chat/download.html run in a terminal to choose your architecture $ arch The Trisquel wiki page shows a stand alone bundle https://trisquel.info/fr/wiki/utox It is handy to register a l...@toxme.io address, this makes easy sharing with others instead of sending 32145646467987456468456468567976789675643514313 to someone by mail ;-) https://toxme.io/add_ui http://register.utox.org/
