Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 6 will include nonfree games... courtesy of Rubén
Someone said an excellent VLC analogy which can be extended to browsers. Most of the people use browsers to use non-free media. Why game engines can't be used to watch non-free media?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 6 will include nonfree games... courtesy of Rubén
My understanding is that Trisquel GNU/Linux can be bundled with FotAQ data because Trisquel would honour both FSF guidelines and the spirit of the licence of FotAQ data.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 6 will include nonfree games... courtesy of Rubén
Non-functional Data "Data that isn't functional, that doesn't do a practical job, is more of an adornment to the system's software than a part of it. Thus, we don't insist on the free license criteria for non-functional data. It can be included in a free system distribution as long as its license gives you permission to copy and redistribute, both for commercial and non-commercial purposes. For example, some game engines released under the GNU GPL have accompanying game information—a fictional world map, game graphics, and so on—released under such a verbatim-distribution license. This kind of data can be part of a free system distribution, even though its license does not qualify as free, because it is non-functional." http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html AFAIK the license of flight of the amazon queen gives you right to distribute it for commercial or non-commercial purposes. "2) You may charge a reasonable copying fee for this archive, and may distribute it in aggregate as part of a larger and possibly commercial software distribution (such as a Linux distribution or magazine coverdisk). You must provide proper attribution and ensure that this Readme and all associated copyright notices and disclaimers are left intact." On the other hand: "3) You may not charge a fee for the game itself. This includes reselling the game as an individual item." You can't sell the game alone. You can sell the game if you bundle it with software. "You can include it in a software collection, like a Linux distribution or coverdisk (which may be sold), but using it in things like commercial adventure game collections without asking is just playing dirty." Bundling only adventure games and selling them "without asking" would be "dirty", not illegal. What is "dirty" is (most of the time) a matter of irrelevant subjectivity. For example some argue anal sex is dirty or homosexuality is dirty. A young woman liking sex can be dirty according to some opinion. -- From guidelines to free software distributions defined by FSF: "This kind of data can be part of a free system distribution, even though its license does not qualify as free, because it is non-functional." -- Kinda interesting borderline situation here. The data does not have to be free as in freedom. It must be free to distribute and profit. FotAQ data is free to distribute and profit, though *the spirit* of the license seems to want to restrict a bit distribution for profit.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Why should I continue with Triaquel 5.5 or anything related to it?
Try think about a car which could be repaired and modified only by company X. Now that would be a good business for company X. Company X could anytime chose that now we don't support certain car models anymore, and if you happen to have a car not supported anymore, then it is tough luck, but hey, you can always buy a new car we support. We are very happy to sell you a new car! Also, we can take your old unsupported car back to us and sell you a new car a little bit cheaper, a rather good deal, (because we don't want that you buy a car from our competitor). Imagine your car being a black box none else can do anything but the company who manufactured the car. Thus, a car would be like proprietary software. Would it not be ridiculous and very bad for your freedom? This is why educated people like free software.
[Trisquel-users] Sell installation disks to fund Trisquel GNU/Linux
I am wondering if project Trisquel could sell Trisquel GNU/Linux installation disks in order to get funds for development of Trisquel?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Interested in volunteering? Read this... update
Instead of spamming You could also take a look at https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/how-help and see how You can help?
Re: [Trisquel-users] dual boot with windows 7
You could just disable your internet connection when installing Toutatis by disconnecting the cable or from desktop environment use network tool to disable networking. You can also type "sudo pkill wget" from console when the installation hangs.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Intel HD 4000 driver in Trisquel 6
I have Intel 4000 HD graphics too, and I installed a newer libre kernel Intel graphics updates from: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/intel-graphics-updates Standard Toutatis and Debian Wheezy have too old kernel and intel drivers for Ivy Bridge CPU and integrated graphics. They are too unstable for Ivy Bridge. Several times my whole machine hung with those, even though even Trisquel 5.5 and Debian Squeeze booted to graphical desktop. I don't remember exactly but it was maybe 3.4 series or 3.6 series kernel which begun to have stable Ivy Bridge support. 3.2 is crap for Ivy.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Interested in volunteering? Read this... update
Just a quick update on packaging. The links above contain very interesting reading, but are mainly appropriate for developing Ubuntu and derivates of it using tools Ubuntu provides like launchpad etc. However, PPAs are quite excellent way to provide additional or alternative packages for Trisquel. That said, first one needs to learn howto make deb packages. The following links give information how to get started. A short guide http://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging A long guide http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ There is tons of stuff to read, but it is all good reading and stuff to learn. I will keep working on packaging and documenting it, time permitting, since it is something I definetly want to learn.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Unable to install in VirtualBox
It only happens if you install with networking enabled. I checked from logs what is happening. It has happened at least with all Toutatis images, and with 5.5 images after the server stopped to respond.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Interested in volunteering? Read this... update
Thanks of the suggestions and links. Will begin to work on it. I try packaging TripleA at first, and after that I should be able to make a first revised version for Trisquel of either of those packaging guides.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Can not login to Trisquel 6.0 alpha Live CD
It worked when I made user "trisquel" and login with that user. You might need to make password for the user too. It is done with "sudo passwd trisquel" command.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Unable to install in VirtualBox
The installation is trying to configure the fastest repository server by using wget to fetch files from servers. One server never responds, causing the installation just wait for a response. If you open a console and type "sudo pkill wget" the installation should proceed forward.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Interested in volunteering? Read this... update
I am interested to make deb packages of games that are outdated in the repos or does not exist in repos at all. Like UFO: Alien Invasion, Speed Dreams, TripleA, and World of Padman.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Can not login to Trisquel 6.0 alpha Live CD
It seems you have encountered the same bug I once got. For some reason there is no default trisquel user. Did you use older beta image? Anyway, to get over it do ctrl-alt-F1 to get a console and type "sudo adduser trisquel". Then alt-F7 or alt-F6 to get back to login screen. Now the login should be succesful. "sudo restart gdm" might also work.
Re: [Trisquel-users] LibreCAD by default on Trisquel Edu
Dunno, if you say so I think there are reasons to do it. I have used QCad but have never heard of LibreCAD though.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Open Distribution, Closed Development
You know, there is this thing called big picture. There is Free Software movement. That's why "Trisquel GNU/Linux is just one distro taking advantage of other people work." This is why there are so many ways to contribute. Even saying in your Facebook that you use this and that Free Software is contributing to the Free Software movement.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Open Distribution, Closed Development
It is an attack against free speech because the definition of free software is different between Debian and GNU. Trisquel is effectively censoring Debian's definition of Free Software by excluding VRMS. If a government want to censor a newspaper, they read it in advance and tell what articles or words must be excluded. There are reasons why VRMS reports GNU FDL docs as non-free. http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.xhtml#problems However, there is no reason to exclude VRMS just because definitions of Free Software are different between FSF and Debian. * * * It seems people have hard time in understanding what censorship means. Lets look how Wikipedia defines it. Censorship is the suppression of speech or other public communication which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or inconvenient as determined by a government, media outlet, or other [b]controlling body[/b]. It can be done by governments and private organizations or by individuals who engage in self-censorship. It occurs in a variety of different contexts including speech, books, music, films and other arts, the press, radio, television, and the Internet for a variety of reasons including national security, to control obscenity, child pornography, and hate speech, to protect children, to promote or [b]restrict political or religious views[/b], to prevent slander and libel, and to protect intellectual property. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship Note that I was semi-active in Debian Devel List at those times when GNU FDL license was voted to be non-free license. I was very much against it, and stopped using Debian because of the result of the vote - and stopped trying to become a Debian dev too. However, I still don't like that views of Debian about Free Software and licenses are censored.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Open Distribution, Closed Development
Trisquel GNU/Linux is just one distro taking advantage of other people work. -- ... I see, and you are not taking advantage of other people work? Are you using a computer? -- Of course I am. I did not accuse anyone of anything. Just mentioned a fact. If you did not get the point since you wanted to selectively quote me, I can tell it again: I would rather fund GNOME, TripleA, Rawtherapee, and Gimp than Trisquel GNU/Linux. The reason for that is that they need funding too, and they are preferred software for me I don't want to replace, even if I can. Trisquel, hmm, that I want to /replace/. And all those projects I would like to fund are taking advantage of other people's work, which is a very good thing. - Well, perhaps you didn't see this: https://gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html Do you think they are part of Project GNU because of that?
Re: [Trisquel-users] On the Topic Release Schedule
It is an attack against free speech because the views are different between Debian and GNU. Different view of free software is not allowed by Trisquel if the package is removed. A distro can of course select what packages it includes. But in this case additional work has been done to /exclude/ a package just because it uses debian guidelines for free software. There are reasons why VRMS reports GNU FDL docs as non-free. http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.xhtml#problems However, there is no reason to exclude VRMS. VRMS is not pointless because it is a good joke. Also, VRMS could be developed to behave in a little bit same way as "your-freedom" package in Parabola. Trisquel repos being free does not mean that the user of Trisquel would automatically use free software. Users can install software from some other places, and after that they can check does VRMS think their system is free. For example, I have heard people using Ubuntu PPAs in Trisquel, and I do it myself.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Open Distribution, Closed Development
Hmm, that reminds me how I could not make a print server in Parabola GNU/Linux with cups. It was not a major issue for me though, would had just been convenient. Also Cups issues reminds me of my time with Gentoo. Interesting to hear that Cups still keeps buggering in rolling releases.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Open Distribution, Closed Development
Hmm, I don't think a fork would be needed for that. One could just begin to work on more simple installation disk of Parabola for new users. But who would use it anyway? A marginal of a marginal. Maybe worth doing. (For me the complexity to install Parabola GNU/Linux has never been an issue, though.)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Open Distribution, Closed Development
Trisquel GNU/Linux is just one distro taking advantage of other people work. There is many ways to contribute to Free Software movement: - use free software - help people to use free software - develop free software - talk about free software To accuse people not contributing if they don't fund Trisquel is very insulting. On the other hand, if I were able to fund financially something I would fund TripleA, Rawtherapee, GNOME, and Gimp to start with. Those are the most important projects for me. Trisquel is attacking Free Speech in the name of Guidelines for Free Software Distributions + I would possibly only fund disto being officially part of GNU.
Re: [Trisquel-users] On the Topic Release Schedule
From http://trisquel.info/en/wiki/roadmap vrms Description: Purports to tell you about nonfree software on your system. Problem: Incomplete, misleading, and not necessary for distributions that abide by the GFSD Recommended Fix: Remove program/package (Source) package name(s): vrms Trisquel Status: Fixed (Package removed) Man, this is so bad. VRMS is Free Software. There is no reason to remove it just because it uses Debian's definition of Free Software. For me Free Speech is 1 000 000 more important than Free Software. Removing vrms is outrageous attack against Free Speech. Time to go back to Debian GNU/Linux or Parabola GNU/Linux, I guess.
Re: [Trisquel-users] On the Topic Release Schedule
To the OP: sounds very familiar. I was also a linux user, then found out about FSF, argued with Finnish Linux users should it be GNU/Linux or just Linux, stopped using Gentoo because of a message RMS posted to Gentoo mailing lists, used BLAG GNU/Linux, used gNewSense, was unable to use gNewSense because X4500HD Intel graphics were unsupported, used Trisquel GNU/Linux, used Kongoni GNU/Linux, used Parabola GNU/Linux, and now again using Trisquel GNU/Linux. Like someone said, Parabola is a good thing to try, especially if you want to play libre games. I don't use it because there is always very strange bugs with gthumb, namely, it doesn't show my RAW files correctly. Last time I also got bored in trying to get photo import from a camera to work on Parabola GNU/Linux. Other than that it has been a great distro and in my opinion by far the best libre distro. It seems that Trisquel's strategy is to become funded for full-time development libre distro with the cost of ignoring volunteer help at this poing. Hope it works.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Unable to update kernel?
It should ask each time. Nice you got it working.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Unable to update kernel?
There is possibly a version number bug, which makes your computer to think that you are installing a kernel already installed. Your computer does not want to install the new kernel because it supposes you could have custom kernel modules installed with your old kernel, which the new kernel would delete, possibly making your computer not working anymore as it should. This is actually update manager bug also. The update manager should give you a choise to update the kernel anyway, but it doesn't do that. So you have to update manually. In the console type: sudo apt-get upgrade And select "update anyway" or something from the menu. If that command does not upgrade your kernel, then type: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
Re: [Trisquel-users] More reasoning to use Startpage over Google
In the article was written that the suspect made searches like "22 ways to kill a man with bare hands" and someone else made searcher "foolproof suffocation". Imagine someone saying to him/her that he knows 22 ways to kill you bare handed or how to suffocate you without leaving any evidence of that. Now the suspect is scared and want to know more can the threats be true. He/she makes searches and later those searches are used as evidence for murder.
Re: [Trisquel-users] More reasoning to use Startpage over Google
Interesting article. This is scary road. For example, someone having access to your computer makes that kind of searches and kill your wife. Your computer is examined and you are charged of murder. This Google and Facebook, haha, it is funny to think that Google and Facebook can know more of you than your spouse. Actually, Google and Facebook can know more of you than anyone else. Join EFF today! https://www.eff.org/
Re: [Trisquel-users] Fallback mode to disappear - DE brainstorming
You can find Intel Graphics in Desktops too. They used to be a chip on the motherboard, but the current generations has been integrated to the CPU. So, if you buy the right Intel CPU you get Intel Graphics too.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Fallback mode to disappear - DE brainstorming
"I'm afraid we will have to wait to see if gnome-shell can be run with more free friendly graphic cards than nowadays." I commented that. There is only Intel doing Freedom Friendly graphics, and Gnome Shell has run very well since version 3.0 with Intel Graphics. The fact that people buy shit chips requiring proprietary drivers should never limit what Gnome does. There were Intel Graphics with free drivers developed by intel (with no proprietary drivers even available), and Gnome Shell worked perfectly with them. Many mainstream people want eye candy. However, Gnome Shell is not just eye candy. It is original design and not a redo of Windows 95. No offence to Trisquel, but its desktop is Windows 7 redo, though, Trisquel had it before Windows 7. That might be fine for many, especially for Windows users. For me it is not fine because I enjoyed Gnome Shell right away when I used it first time. And the more I have used it, the more I like it. It is fluid, clear, efficient, and enjoyable user experience for me. So, now as I use Toutatis, which have funny dependency conflicts making Gnome Shell uninstallable without hacking, I can only curse what 1900 sucky design desktop in Toutatis I have to use. It looks darn ugly, it is slow and cumbersome to use, it requires precision guided mouse clicking, urgh, it just suck so big time it is unbeliavable I use it. If I would not care of freedom I could as well use windows -_- Anyway, I understand 3D acceleration problems people are having, and in my opinion a more traditional default desktop for Trisquel could be better for other reasons too. I will just install Gnome Shell when I can do it normally, so not defaulting to Gnome Shell is in my opinion a very good decision. What would be the best traditional compromise desktop for Trisquel I can not tell. I have installed Gnome Shell to everyone except my aunt. For my aunt I did not install it because I predict she would totally freak out of it. The rest have enjoyed it a lot, and a 7 years old girl used it without problems, actually it was easier for her to use than traditional 95 legacy desktop. Haha, what a rant I wrote. Have a good weekend and lets all be glad there is choise.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Fallback mode to disappear - DE brainstorming
Gnome Shell has worked a long time the best with FREEDOM FRIENDLY graphics, that is Intel Graphics, which have Free Drivers developed mainly by Intel. Period.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Getting started; and Tanaris vs Brigantia
Pretty well said. However, Magic Banana have a point too. This game data problem is a huge one. It is ridiculous if you can't improve/reuse graphics, and share the results.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Getting started; and Tanaris vs Brigantia
In my opinion anyone have rights to read any book or watch any movie without paying a penny.
Re: [Trisquel-users] GNU OS
Well, there was a libre distro based on Slackware too. Talk about choise! In my opinion it is very good to have libre derivatives of popular distros. Maybe it takes another 5 years of evolution for one libre distro to get enough users and developers to be the leader of free distros, bettering the rest including the original. I think 5 years ago there were no libre distros. Now we have 9 FSF approved. In my opinion it is progress, even though it is a mess. Maybe the next step could be that one emerges above the rest. Or maybe the next step is that there will be three shining star libre distributions. The latter being hugely optimistical thinking. If after 5 years the situation is the same it is now, then one maybe could argue that no progress has happened in 5 years. GNU OS, in my opinion, should be released someday. Why it would not be, so to say, today?
Re: [Trisquel-users] GNU OS
-_- One True Distribution would by definition fulfill whatever needs.
Re: [Trisquel-users] GNU OS
I have been talking about /main/ libre distribution. Imagine it like Ubuntu, Debian, or Fedora, which have tons of derivatives. I haven't said there should be only one libre distribution. And you are wrong for saying there should not be one superior (main) libre distribution. It is like saying there should not be Fedora, Debian, or Ubuntu but instead a mess of distributions. It is good to have a shining star leading the way. Imagine it like this: a) A mess of libre distributions. b) One main libre distribution bettering a mess of libre distributions. Questions: 1. Which of the above situations describes best the current situation? 2. Which of the above situations would be better?
Re: [Trisquel-users] GNU OS
Who said there is two exactly identical distributions? The point was that instead of actually improving the libre derivate distribution, people spend time in fixing freedom bugs from 10 different libre distribution. How is that not duplicate work? Another issue is different non freedom bugs, which must be fixed for a distro to become good. It doesn't matter are they similar between distros because they have to be fixed for each distro. So, actually, if they are different bugs like you said, then that just means more work because the solution to fix them does not work from one distro to another. Now, lets go more abstract. I am sure you can handle this. Let there be Y distributions with X bugs in each. Z people will be working on X * Y bugs, instead of Z people working on X bugs. Understand? What is funny in all this is that people say that it is not worth it to do another libre distro, yet they say it is good to have 10 libre distros. Double standard much? Could you chose how it is, or is it so that 10 distros is The Holy Amount of distros xD Anyway, have had enough of arguing about this here. In the first place I just wanted to say my opinion without beginning to argue about it. You are free to have your opinions, they can be different than mine, and we can still get along, I think.
Re: [Trisquel-users] GNU OS
If something, then maintaining 10 different super minority libre distros is absurd waste of resources, and reinventing a wheel is genius when compared.
Re: [Trisquel-users] GNU OS
Someone said good things below are just a fantasy. The good things would be: 1. It could exist as long as FSF exists. 2. It could become the main libre distribution, effectively obsoleting other libre distributions, which in turn unites the shattered community. * * * I remind that GNU project was a fantasy. Linux was a fantasy. Sage was fantasy. Everyone who believed in those fantasies has been blamed to be crazy and out of mind. Someone said fragmentation is good because there is diversity like in cola drinks. That is, however, apples and oranges analogy. There is no bugs to fix in cola drinks and it is great if there is sustainable business for 1000 different cola drinks. But a cola drink have nothing to do with OS. It is bad if there are 10 different sucky libre operating systems, each of them failing to fix bugs, when there could be one main libre system which could be developed to be superior derivate. Why should there be 10 extreme minority libre distros, even if they would manage to fix bugs. Why to fix the same bugs in 10 different libre distros, when bugs could be fixed in one distro?
Re: [Trisquel-users] GNU OS
I have actually years ago installed GNU Hurd. Good times lol.
Re: [Trisquel-users] GNU OS
Not really. The good things would be: 1. It could exist as long as FSF exists. 2. It could become the main libre distribution, effectively obsoleting other libre distributions, which in turn unites the shattered community. At least two very good things exist. If very good reasons exist, then it is not in vain to do something.
Re: [Trisquel-users] GNU OS
I could volunteer for GNU OS.
Re: [Trisquel-users] trisquel install hanging
sudo pkill wget should get the installation to continue.
Re: [Trisquel-users] The Economics of Free Software
Very good reading! I especially liked that "extraordinary profits are just that -- extra-ordinary" part.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How many of you dual-boot
You think it was a joke xD In 2000 I noticed that Windows 98 is wasting space in my 8 GB HD. I used GNU/Linux from 2000 to 2006 exclusively. Then I begun to play some games and dual booted at times up to this summer. Usually though it was too much of a hassle to boot to Windows for games, and I used Windows for nothing else than gaming. I could get legally from my school Everything else from MS but MS Office for free and use them for non commercial purposes forever. I don't take them because I much more prefer superior GNU/Linux system to inferior MS system. MS products just suck too much to even take it for free as in free beer. How awfull how quicly the time goes lol.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Toutatis for server now?
Good work, which also fits perfectly under the topic :D I did not know Trisquel have that nice text based installer. It is good to know.
Re: [Trisquel-users] A good reason to use a stable distribution instead of a rolling one
Note I wrote "if you do a full reinstall", which I do always. In that you install everything from scratch, which is effectively like your system would had broken. Yeah, I know I would not have to do a full reinstall.
Re: [Trisquel-users] A good reason to use a stable distribution instead of a rolling one
[root@liekune ~]# pacman -Qdt [root@liekune ~]# No non-free software. The package "your-freedom" should had removed them when I installed it because it conflicts with non-free packages. Indeed the multimedia keys does not work. I only use them to adjust volume though, but for that I find them very handy and much better than to use mouse. I use gnome-shell, it is good to have a system where gnome is not broken or altered in some peculiar ubunty way. Also, it is nice to have a much better control what you install in the first place. Parabola GNU/Linux is a very good tool in building my "own distribution" for my needs.
Re: [Trisquel-users] A good reason to use a stable distribution instead of a rolling one
"Stable" Ubuntu systems basicly break two times a year when you upgrade to the next STS, if you do a full reinstall.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How many of you dual-boot
No dual booting here.
Re: [Trisquel-users] A good reason to use a stable distribution instead of a rolling one
Oh that's very ugly. I dunno about the topic. I just installed Archlinux and migrated it to Parabola GNU/Linux. Will probs move to use Parabola at home, if it works.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Free Software Awards: Nominations
Chris made good points. I agree with him. The award should go to one who deserves it because of what (s)he has done and not because of gender.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Script to remove nonfree software from Ubuntu
It is not a reason good enough to blacklist Free Software because it is buggy. I don't understand why VRMS is blacklisted. It is an attack to Free Speech to blacklist VRMS. I remember using years ago VRMS just for fun. I saw it was buggy, but it did not matter because I never considered it as a serious program but just a programming excercise and joke. The right way to deal with VRMS is to send patches to the dev which make VRMS less buggy, and to inform users that it is buggy. The wrong way is to blacklist VRMS.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Midori makes internet think you run Safari and Mac
It is a bug in Internet. There are sites which only allow you to see the content if you use a browser they approve. Usually that is because they don't bother to do standards compliant sites. To get around that bug by making a browser to cheat its true identity is kinda ugly hack because it affects the statistics, which affect what the devs approve as a browser to use to see their sites. So to make a bug of Midori because it cheats its true identity is good. One should make Midori cheat its identity to the sites which refuse you to see the content with unapproved browsers. Thanks anyway of your note. I can pay attention to it myself. In Toutatis the setting for ID is "automatic". I haven't yet checked how it works, but probably it works good because some sites try to say to me that they do not work with my browser and that I should get a better browser lol.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 6.0 Alpha Images
Been using Trisquel 6.0 Toutatis dev version for some time now and I have to say it works great now for my needs.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Toutatis for server now?
Exactly. That is what I am trying to show to them. I firmly believe Sage is better than Matlab for teaching mathematics. If they see that too, there is hope.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Toutatis for server now?
Hmm, they are combining IT-resources of several schools. My school will be combined with some other school, there is no way that giant organisation would pay anything to me. I am about 99% sure that they will trash Sage alltogether not long after I am gone. That's why I hope I can do my best in educating the mathematics teachers about the Sage so that they want to use it. Some teachers has been quite enthusiastic of it already, and why would they not be? Sage is very awesome especially for schools.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Toutatis for server now?
That is a very interesting concept and it could be the best way to go in theory. However, to know what should be upgraded because of a security bug fixed would be far too hard, and at some point some update could force other things you don't want to update to become updated, unless you backport security fixes by yourself, which is not that easy to do properly.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Toutatis for server now?
Trisquel GNU/Linux is viable for a server. But for Sage in school, hmm, there can be more viable OS. Sucks it can be that way.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Toutatis for server now?
I think the standard text installer does not offer you a chance to install non-free software. Expert installer does do that. It asks if you want to enable non-free and contrib. For GNU manuals it could be best to install gnu manuals deb from gNewSense. They have made one, and by installing it you don't have to enable contrib or non-free.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Toutatis for server now?
No probs, and be free to derail and hijack as much as you want threads started by me. I am a child of Usenet/Sfnet in my Internet life, hence I am not bothered at all who talks what and where. In Sfnet someone started a topic, some people maybe talked about the topic but usually very quicly several people were talking OT as much as they wanted. If someone would had said "this is my thread" people would had laughed so hard that several of them could had died of heart attack. As an update by my side I can tell that I at first installed Ubuntu LTS to the school because I noticed Toutatis still have packages named *ubuntu*, which would had meant that every single package would had been upgraded at some point. I however very quicly became pissed of Ubuntu as each time I booted the machine I saw some "manage this server in "landscape.ubuntu.com" login greeter. The final thing pissing me off was that I had to write a custom init script, and I read that Ubuntu uses Upstart. The benefits of Upstart were mainly for desktop machines, IMHO, so I thought fuck this shit gimme System V init or GTFO. As a result I installed stable Debian and was very happy. Seriously, for important servers I rather play it as safe as I can. One failure on the server is simply too much, if it can be avoidable with different OS. So, goodbye support for 5 years and hello maximum performance with Free Software. I think Red Hat Enterprise or Cent OS could be alternatives for Debian, but since I am so much on the .deb camp in general I don't have to make things more difficult by considering them. Debian GNU/Linux should be 100% free without non-free and contrib repositories, which are not enabled by default. Anyway, in my opinion Parabola GNU/Linux people have done the best job. They are not saying "it is upstream bug lol no can do" but have done impressive job in making Parabola better than the distro it is based on. I have used Parabola as a server in my home, and it worked like a charm. I would not use Parabola for anything serious though because it is rolling releases. For serious servers things are best to not change untill they must change.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Found it. GNU Art (and so legal info for mr Thinkpenguin.)
That's good stuff to support business.
Re: [Trisquel-users] A FSF supported project needs help: mediagoblin
Last time I heard they are not doing so good. GNU/Linux has been all the rage at least 12 years or more.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Tegskywalker needs help
Quiliro asked some interesting and good questions. I am waiting for the answers. And as a member of Free Software movement I think we should take care of those not so mature members and hope they grow up and become better people in general, if possible. Call it social responsibility, if you must, the phrase businesses used to tout around.
Re: [Trisquel-users] A FSF supported project needs help: mediagoblin
Just ask how *BSDs are doing.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Tegskywalker needs help
Ah, I see it now and I agree xD
Re: [Trisquel-users] Tegskywalker needs help
Lol, a good question and I dunno, maybe they are Ninja Moderatars - u never see them xD
Re: [Trisquel-users] Tegskywalker needs help
I have understood that we have a moderator here.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Tegskywalker needs help
I think there is a real problem. Usually if people dare to start this kind of topic and with their real name, there is a real problem. The OP named a few problems already. So, if there really is a person who only trolls and complains and makes no effort to work for Free Software, and if the problem becomes so big that one is ready to talk about it here with his own name - knowing for sure how it can feed the troll - then I think a lot has already been done and asking for more would be about the same as ignoring the problem instead of doing something to it.
Re: [Trisquel-users] abrowser version
It most certainly does.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Toutatis for server now?
I am not sure what it will be. It has been information technology and computer engineering. I actually did not have plans to do a thesis related to Free Software either at first. I had other plans more into economics. It would had been highly theoretical and 100% fun project for me. But then I spoke about GNU Octave with one Mathematics teacher who taught us basics of Matlab. Later we talked more and he said that maybe a thesis could be done of GNU Octave. I agreed right away.
Re: [Trisquel-users] abrowser version
Ok, that's a great attitude and I think you can do it.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Toutatis for server now?
Hmm, FSF mirror, thanks of the suggestion. Now I think Trisquel it shall be.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Toutatis for server now?
The only problem with Trisquel for this server is will the server in sources.list address exist next 5 years. If I could be as sure of that as I can be of that ftp.fi.debian.org will exist next 5 years there would be no probs. To get some knowledge of that I would have to know better who exactly is maintaining current Trisquel mirrors or the official Trisquel mirror.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Toutatis for server now?
I could easily use Trisquel for servers I maintain.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Toutatis for server now?
Hey and thank you very much of the suggestions, much appreciated. I know of Octave. Years ago I had plans with a mathematics teacher to do my thesis of Octave as a replacement for Matlab. Now we talked about GNU Octave too, but then I found Sage, which is a very interesting alternative in mathematical analysis and what not in schools because of the web browser interface, server/client model, feature to share and publish worksheets, individual user accounts with disk space for worksheets, and because Sage uses Python by itself. Sage has gathered and united nearly 100 Mathematical Free Software programs under one and same user interface, which means you can in theory do tons of stuff by just installing one package. Among those are GNU Octave, so you can actually use Octave from Sage, if there is a reason for that. My job is now to install and configure Sage for the school and educate the teachers how to use Sage. Next month I will have to get a new job xD So I am not maintaining Sage on the school, and that's why I want to make them a system which is running without problems after 5 years. Thus upgrading the OS after a year or so is not a choise.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How I fixed my suspend issue
Yeah, using Flash is the most underrated example how non-free software can suck. It compromises security in your computer, you can't do anything to fix it, and some think they are forced to use it.
Re: [Trisquel-users] abrowser version
One said he could patch FF, but that he haven't patched anything before. The offer is appreciated but it implies that patching would be trivial. It is not unless you get the patch from somewhere. If you have to make the patch, then it is not trivial.
Re: [Trisquel-users] abrowser version
Heh, the joy of the "latest and greatest".
Re: [Trisquel-users] Toutatis for server now?
Well, I think I must go for maximum customer satisfaction with Free Software. If I ever start a real business that will be my guiding principle.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How I fixed my suspend issue
Interesting, but I don't need flash and it is not installed on my computer. I am very lucky to not need it. I can watch stuff from Youtube, mostly digitalrev.com vids, and those work flawlessly at 1080p on my few years old X4500HD Intel integrated graphics chip, were they HTML5 or Flash, for what I use with Gnash. Before Gnash was usable I noticed that if some website required Flash I missed nothing when not being able to see it. It is not like there would be lack of flashless content in Internet.
[Trisquel-users] Toutatis for server now?
(This topic serves two purposes. At first it serves as an encouragement for students to go for Free Software solutions. Unexpectedly good results can happen by doing that. The second purpose is for me to become aware of things I haven't thought myself.) Alright, I have finished my bachelor's thesis. Very surprisingly my (sucky) thesis about Sage as a replacement for Matlab in higher education rose interest in the teachers on my school. Now my job is to install and configure Sage server for my school, and educate Mathematics teachers to use Sage. It is greatly awesome beyond words that those doctorates of mathematics and physics are interested enough about Sage so that they are willing to spend time watching me demonstrate Sage and talk about Sage. So, go for it people with Free Software. You can never know what you can do with it. Now to the next issue. I need to install Sage server for my school. The options for OS are: -Debian: Either stable or testing. The bad thing about stable is that it will be soon replaced with current testing version and hence not supported so long as current Ubuntu or Toutatis. The bad thing about testing version is that it is testing version and possibly not so secure. -Ubuntu: The very good thing about Ubuntu is that just a moment ago LTS version of it was released. So in theory the same Ubuntu server could be used next 5 years. Trisquel: Toutatis is the only version of Trisquel to consider. The good thing is that Toutatis is basicly current Ubuntu LTS, so it should be stable and secure and supported for a long time. However, Toutatis is not ready yet, and even though there might be no differences between packages on the server installation without X-server between Toutatis and ubuntu LTS, is it too risky to make the server of Toutatis at this point? Is there plans to support Toutatis for the same time as curernt Ubuntu LTS is to be supported? What would you chose :)
Re: [Trisquel-users] How I fixed my suspend issue
Well, I know that none to whom I have installed GNU/Linux would not use it if they would have to stop using Flash. Everyone using Flash does not solve the flash problem, but everyone using MS so that they can use Flash does not help a bit people to migrate to GNU/Linux. So you have two choises: a very bad choise and less bad choise. The very bad choise does not include anything good. It is completely and totally bad. The less bad choise includes something good. People can begin to learn to see that MS is not the only choise, and more demand for GNU/Linux support can come. In Finland broadcasting companies use Silverlight in their websites for streaming video. The national broadcasting company YLE (similar to BBC in England) and one other company does not. There is also a company who rents movies by using Silverlight. None of those work with Moonlight, and thanks of your link, now I can lose officially my hope in that they ever would. Anyway, I may try to solve broadcasting etc. flash/silverlight problems by buying almost the same content and much better service from one awesome company in Finland who supports Free Software. I never watch TV, but my wife does, and I can't be horrible dictator saying that this policy prohibits you from doing what you want to do. Regarding Skype, her relatives use it with her, but I managed to get her mother and her to try google talk/video (which needed some sort of proprieatary plugin). I wished they would had begun to use that because then I could had guided my wife to use Empathy/Pidgin. They did not, and one thing is quite sure: her 75 year old grandfather and 80 years old grandmother does not begin to use anything else than Skype since they have learned it. It sucks, but there is not much what you can do before becoming an asshole. Free Software is good and important but better still not become an asshole but rather let people have freedoms they want in a same way you want freedom. If the "freedom" is forced upon them by you, then there is not much difference between you and those who try to take the freedom away from you.
Re: [Trisquel-users] restricted formats, proprietary education software
Yeah, but it doesn't change the fact he supports non-free software by chosing to use it instead of boycotting whenever he can. He has written even more about using non-free software. I remember that because years ago when I was unhappy to use proprieatary tools in programming in school I read RMS saying that it is not a problem. But the problem did not go away by RMS saying it is not a problem, and I made a decision to not use non-free software even in school, which took the problem away :D I have though used at times www-browser and OS underneath it even I would not have to. That is something I will stop doing though, because I feel there is a problem which goes away if I don't use that non-free software. Besides it makes just good to use less www browser. There are other things to do, like go to a library and read something from a book or magazine.
Re: [Trisquel-users] abrowser version
Hmm, patching stuff is not trivial unless someone has made it to be trivial. If you are doing it to be trivial you need quite some skills in programming and you have to understand the software you are patching, else nasty ooops can happen.
Re: [Trisquel-users] abrowser version
Yeah, I have been thinking that too. But why you want it to be based on Ubuntu? I am interested to know why. In my opinion Debian is a better choise because it does not have that much trademark and branding things like Ubuntu and when it gets good supplement repos the fact that there is not two annual distribution releases per year can release resources to keep the supplement repos in good condition. On the other hand Ubuntu is a little bit more polished for average user and that average user can get more software installed out of repos (users must be able to do what they want to do). The polishing issue though should be solved by forking a polished version of Debian, and the software out of repos should be solved by good supplement repos.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How I fixed my suspend issue
Just note by the way that I fully support the policy of not helping people to use non-free software in Trisquel Forum, and I wont do that. Those who want to get help to use non-free software can get that help from Ubuntu forums. I value highly this kind of 100% committed to Free Software distribution and community, even though I install that distribution to some machines and then Flash on top of it. But try ask me howto install Flash here :)
Re: [Trisquel-users] How I fixed my suspend issue
I have actually read everything many times and more what has been pasted here about RMS. Still I am very interested to read what he has said in order to see if there is something new for me. In my opinion this is about how you climb to a tree to grab an apple. You can do it using your hands and succeed or you can restrict yourself and try it without your hands and never succeed. So in my opinion the first step is to get significant "critical mass" of GNU/Linux users so that their needs matter to the devs and content holders. The more we get GNU/Linux users, the more we will also get people who understand the importance and goodness of Free Software in addition to that more users can mean more support to GNU/Linux devs. You could grab an apple from a tree without using your hands, but it might require a lot more work to do to kick ladders under the tree so you could reach the apple with your bare teeths. It is much better to have 1M of GNU/Linux users of which 10 000 is very concerned of Free Software than to have 100 000 GNU/Linux users of which 1000 is very concerned of Free Software.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How I fixed my suspend issue
By the way this topic needs more discussion so that it is better understood for it is an important topic. I have friends and some of them has been using years GNU/Linux even though they are not at all computer people. They say that it is better than Windows. That is only possible because I install Flash and Skype for them, Skype only if they use Skype and using XMPP via Gmail does not work for them. If the hardware they have works with non-proprietary software I install Trisquel for them, and naturally install Flash from Ubuntu repos or from Adobe. If the hardware does not work without proprieatary software I install Ubuntu for them (without Unity, I don't want to teach people to become attached to Unity). The difference what those users make is that they contribute to the statistics on websites. If statistics say, for example, that 30% of the visitors are using GNU/Linux, then website devs will have to begin to pay more attention to the people using GNU/Linux. Now the statistics say maybe about 1% and the devs don't give a shit. The result is that the devs can easily make sites which does not work on GNU/Linux, and if the websites does not work with GNU/Linux then the masses wont ever want to use GNU/Linux. This is especially important because of that (fucking) Silverlight. Moonlight lags so much behind of Silverlight that websites using Silverligh does not work with Moonlight unless you do tricks like hack the version number of Moonlight to be the same as the latest required Silverlight (and wish the best). If you don't do that (and masses don't do it ever), the website just says "please upgrade your Silverlight", which you can't do. With (fucking) Flash we don't at least have those problems (yet) and the world is a little bit better place for Free Software. So, in the end it is better to install Trsiquel to people and then Flash or whatever they need, if that makes them happy and they stay inside the Free Software community. They become aware of Trisquel and some can even become attached to Trisquel. People become so very attached to Apple that they don't need that Flash on Apple tablets and iphones. The same can sometimes happen with Trisquel and people will be happy to use Trisquel even if they can't use Flash. You can help it to happen. Every little thing done for good helps and is a step forward.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How I fixed my suspend issue
You are doing it right. The step to way of non-mainstream OS (µ$) is a huge step for normal people. There is no way they will keep doing it if they can't use their computer as they want. This reminds me of the case when I consulted one organisation in moving to Free Software. I said things will work and people will manage with it as long as you install Sun Java and Flash, which are proprietary software. He said why Flash. I said because your workers browse web and want to see all kind of Flash stuff they get links onto (they even want to see advertisements correctly so that the pages look more beautiful). He said they do that yes, but if they don't have Flash and can't install it, then they can't do it. I said if they can't do it they will rise a helluva fight against GNU/Linux and without a reason. He said then they do it, it doesn't matter. I did my best in trying to convince him that Flash is mandatory, but I failed. What happened in the organisation was that they used GNU/Linux and were able to do things with it, except not see content using Flash. That pissed them so much and turned them away of GNU/Linux that in the end the organisation had to revert back to Windows. I am very sure those workers wont even think to try to use GNU/Linux in their personal machines ever. They have got terrible bad experience of GNU/Linux, and more, they will spread the bad word. It is very probable that they will never ever buy a computer having only GNU/Linux installed. Things like that is just bad for the Free Software movement. It is complete loss. So, it is definetly the best to try take care of the users - else you will lose them, and at worst you will lose them forever and not only them but some people around them.
Re: [Trisquel-users] restricted formats, proprietary education software
http://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html > "If I am visiting somewhere and the machines available nearby happen to contain non-free software, through no doing of mine, I don't refuse to touch them. I will use them briefly for tasks such as browsing. This limited usage doesn't give my assent to the software's license, or make me responsible its being present in the computer, or make me the possessor of a copy of it, so I don't see an ethical obligation to refrain from this." In my opinion using those is accepting those are being used (in school) and hence supporting non-free software. I am quite surprised to see how liberal Stallman is in that.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Wireless card configuration
I did not point at you. It was just a general note what I wrote.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu's new model: donate money for new features. Will it affect Trisquel?
Hmm, in my opinion they have always been on that path. It is just a long road before they can succeed in it. It is to be seen will they ever.
Re: [Trisquel-users] one week in :)
Hey and welcome. You are doing it right :D
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu's new model: donate money for new features. Will it affect Trisquel?
Ubuntu should have dowloading instructions in as many languages as possible. Debian can dynamically change the language of the content on its website to the preferred language the user has chosen in web browser. If Ubuntu can't do the same in their website for at least the major languages, then that is total fail. Everyone does not understand English.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu's new model: donate money for new features. Will it affect Trisquel?
It means they can get people to donate more money, which can be used to to improve Ubuntu.
Re: [Trisquel-users] abrowser version
Hmm, alright, it is worth to start searching with DuckDuckGo first then. Thanks of the info.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Adobe Flash required by math professor; how to confront him?
Just noticed that you have written updates. This forum where you can inject messages between messages is confusing. I am very sorry and pissed to hear what happened after your great success. I probably would drop the class without even giving it a second thought (after negotiating with the teacher and telling him that alright, I will take FAIL as a grade if I must use the Flash thingy). The thing just is that I am an reckless idiot xD If the subject you are studying is worthwhile to you I could recommend you to just keep going, and keep the flag high. You did great job.
Re: [Trisquel-users] abrowser version
That Mycroft sounds good. DuckDuckGo is kinda meh, and good for simple searches only. Many times I have to do my searching with Google after trying first DuckDuckGo.
