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then make them read "Brave New World" and "1984"
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telling your kids not to use social networking like the book of faeces or instant cramp, might be hard for them socially. if you can make them avoid those kinds of sites, though, and perhaps teach them more privacy-respecting ways of social communication online, you could set up a VPN router in your house, with a good provider, one that puts you on a random IP every time you connect (if they have IPv6, great). and encourage your kids to use tor libreCMC has a setting in it for VPN, i believe
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Would it work if you treat them as adults, and: - give them the information necessary to decide for themselves (informed consent) - put limits to avoid them destroying the lives and privacy of other people. When doing such choices, most adults are, formally(trough an EULA) or informally(when buying a device) giving consent, but are not informed of what it really means. Merely having the information to decide is also not enough, as the person needs to understand that information. And the technical aspect is not the most relevant here, in understanding the information, since organizations like the FSF have certifications for hardware (RYF) and free software distributions(FSDG), so a random person just has to trust such organization and does not necessarily need to dive deep into the technical details. They can also decide to trust other people or organization as they wish. However the difficult part is to understand what the lack of privacy really means, and here, someone cannot do it for them. This kind of work usually done by people, artists, journalists, etc, that try to explain the issues more concretely. For instance what does the following really means: - 10 Billion Euros/Dollars - +5 degrees in global warming By itself it means precisely nothing, for the last example the weather will be 5 degrees hotter, okay, whatever So merely knowing that it will be 5 degrees hotter is not enough to fully understand the issue. To better understand it: - Artists make movies where people live in such world. - Art installation make you live in such world. - Writers describe the problem. So it might be a good idea to either take advantage of the works that have been made to explain the issue, or to use the same techniques to explain it. Once the issue starts being understood, you probably need to limit privacy damages trough harm reductions techniques: For instance if you think that smartphones are evil (for instance because they results in people's positions being recorded in real time), stopping using one might not be an option, and instead you would try to limit the privacy damages being done by it, for instance by making sure that it runs only free software and that it cannot record your conversations while not calling someone. It is also important not to see software freedom only as restrictions, seeing advantages and enjoying privacy is also required. You would then need to think creatively to fulfill that. For instance if they are not on Facebook, but instead use some privacy friendly social networks with their friends, you, the school, other parents, will not be able to see what they are doing, which might interest them a lot. Since you would not be able to watch them, the same education methodology described here can be used to mitigate the risks of harming them or others[1]. And in this example, privacy is really important as it helps them create their personalities. Another way would be to have playful relationship with privacy, freedom, and so on: It could be seen as a game to evade surveillance, bypass censorship(Schools might have some), encrypt communication, encrypt the hard drive, etc... They would for instance have technology that even the most powerful government cannot break. They would then be able to show off with such skills among their friends, and so on, and then to explain how to do it. And here, unlike propaganda action movies, they are doing it for real[2]. Jokes: -- [1]This is recursive (sic). [2]So instead of watching Mission impossible (also the topic's name), they will be in the movie "Enemy of the state", and make government's mission to watch them impossible... Denis.
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Surveillance agencies trying to get as much power as they can is documented. Most likely, they're still competing one against another. There's no unique entity (yet, if ever). But I don't see how that proves the BS you write about (removing 2/3 of humanity, Human Rights being a problem...). You don't make sense. There's no cause and effect relationship.
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> Ah, so then you know that mercury in vaccines can cause autism in children? No. This would be clear if you had read the sentence immediately following it. That claim comes from a man, Andrew Wakefield, who was guilty of blatant ethics violations and manipulation of data. His paper was and is a lie, which is why it was retracted. Wakefield is an actual conspirator; he and some others were conspiring to give the MMR vaccine a bad rap so that they could make money from frivolous lawsuits, and so he could exploit a patent he had for an alternative MMR vaccine. The claim is false. In fact, when thimerosal was removed from the MMR vaccine, that happened to (coincidentally) correspond with an increase in autism diagnosis, not a decrease as would be expected if the claim about a link between vaccines and autism were true. In fact, the evidence is so clear that vaccines are safe and effective at preventing these deadly diseases, I would say that if you continue to spread this lie -- convincing more parents to put their children and other children in danger of contracting preventable, deadly diseases like measles, mumps, rubella, polio, and anything else vaccines protect against -- you will be guilty of mass manslaughter of children. That's all there is to it. I'm not going to argue the point. But if anyone else who is reading this wants to see the issue discussed simply, here are a few videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXtANMp3wok https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0ZZTjChW4o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o65l1YAVaYc
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Protip: using the word "historically" doesn't grant your conspiracy theories legitimacy. How old are Masons? Vaccines intended for young children do not have thimerosal anymore. Ah, so then you know that mercury in vaccines can cause autism in children? (When they are applyed in women of course) AFAIK autism has increased in the last time, and mistically vaccines include it. There's no need to invoke an "Illuminati" or "New World Order" to explain it. OK, so from now on I'm not going to "invoke", as you say, the NSA, the CIA or any other agency when talking about global surveillance (is that possible?)
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Too much misunderstand here. Why do you ask for proofs if there are plenty of them? Old and new ones https://www.rt.com/usa/nro-satellite-octopus-emblem-854/ And when I say "Them" it's because if I knew who are those people exactly I'd say their names, but "they" are hidden (not that much, "they" are the head of the global surveillance, do you know those people?) The NWO is as "theoretical" as the global surveillance, if you don't want to believe it, then it's not my problem.
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Heather, thanks for all your comments and advices to me. I am sorry I haven't had time to answer to them specifically, but please know that they are much appreciated.
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Hi all. I haven't had time to write this week, but I have followed your comments all along the way. Firstly I am glad to see that so many has a say on this matter. Though these issues relate to most user here (I suppose), some of your comments are direct answers to my questions and frustrations. Thanks a lot. There are a number of references to sites, books, video etc that are all relevant. I don't have time to check them all out but I will remember them and return to them later. Your comments and advices have given me inspiration to tackle the issue though I am sure there is no easy solution. For now I consider these approaches: - Convincing my wife, that we must have clear and strict rules about the use of mobiles, tablets and computers. (This should preferably include not sending or posting pictures, but I that is such a big part of there social life so I don't believe it has much chance). - coincidentally watch these movies when the big kids are around: Citizen4, 1984, The story of Aaron Schwartz, Matrix (the others suggested here I don't know yet) Besides, I would like to make a make - or better yet find - a collection of examples of people being affected to privacy issues including being hacked. For instance, there is a Danish story a you guy who was recorded from his own laptop when playing with himself (https://www.version2.dk/artikel/dansk-journalist-paa-fodboldtur-jeg-blev-hacket-paa-fodboldtur-udsat-afpresning-1070079). Sorry for the language (Danish) The above is aiming at the big kids. For the younger one, I will try to let her grow up with GNU and Replicant devices. Since I don't have the skills to show here the technical potential of libre software, my best shot will probably be to get her used to i.e. Trisquel and Replicant. Aaaarrrghhh I need more time: I would like to make a wiki about these issues and possible approaches. Do you have suggestions for libre games for young kids?
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You're welcome. :)
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Thanks, Adfeno, that's all it was unless you believe in a higher power. :) Anyway, it was a fortuitous mistake. I was oversharing and it worked itself out perfectly. Check your inbox, GNUbahn and other parents of children and children of parents.
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If it's of interest, you can get around the bug by using for < and for >.
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I found out that if I write a message using the "less than" or "greater than" signs, then the content after the first mentioned sign, or before the second mentioned sign, gets hidden in the forums, but appears fine in the mailing lists. Also, the content appears fine in the mailing list archives ([[https://listas.trisquel.info/pipermail/trisquel-users/]]). This seems to be a bug in the Mailing list to forum conversion, where the converter fails to escape the mentioned signs. -- - [[https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno]] - Palestrante e consultor sobre /software/ livre (não confundir com gratis). - "WhatsApp"? Ele não é livre, por isso não uso. Iguais a ele prefiro GNU Ring, ou Tox. Quer outras formas de contato? Adicione o vCard que está no endereço acima aos teus contatos. - Pretende me enviar arquivos .doc, .ppt, .cdr, ou .mp3? OK, eu aceito, mas não repasso. Entrego apenas em formatos favoráveis ao /software/ livre. Favor entrar em contato em caso de dúvida.
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On 2017-05-26 03:05, seimirchaplin at openmailbox dot org wrote: I perfectly understand you, I think most of us do, sometimes you might feel you'll explote X2 Heather from the Trisquel boards says: I thought you were talking to me instead of Megver83 for a second because that is exactly how I feel about this whole thread. I don't have the technical expertise to be 100% sure why my posts are appearing as blank space on the publicly accessible web page of the Trisquel forums today and coming through fine as emails, but the paranoid conspiracy theorist in me thinks that somebody has my back and has semi-banned me for my own good. I wish I could thank them.
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On 2017-05-27 10:07, noordinaryspi...@gmail.com wrote: Let's try this again from email: Then propose the 50$ or 100$ to read them and make you a small resume of it. My adult children read both of these as teens because they wanted to, not because they were mandatory or because I paid them. Also Brave New World and Animal Farm. I only recently discovered Dave Grossman, but John has read him as an adult. Griselda-Beatriz has read War is a Racket as a semi-adult (she got her high school diploma from Beach High http://beachhigh.education/ early and started college at fifteen). As jules_verne pointed out downthread: < But did it work properly? Did they really learned about the message you was trying to give? Yea, I'm embarrassed, but truth is going to help GNUbahn better than pretty words and theories. John is a die-hard windoze user. I'm guessing it is because of gaming and his career and school responsibilities and just the way he is wired. Griselda-Beatriz is wannabe open sores. She dual boots windoze and Ubuntu or else talks about how much she wants to use Ubuntu and how unfair it is that she "can't". She received a very nice scholarship to a great grad school this year, but since the school didn't offer a degree in her preferred major, she did some exploring and unschooly John Holt inspired stuff that included taking IT classes and ultimately led her somewhere else. She suggested that I read Jaron Lanier and pretty much ignored my suggestion that she read rms. Both of them have settled for free tech support from mommy when they couldn't afford paid professional customer service. They were fairly convincing while they were inwardly rolling their eyes and wishing I would shut up so they could turn on the TV and pick the lint out of their belly buttons. So were my parents. After all the work I put into their computers and their education, I recently received and email from my dad suggesting that I write my own encryption program because data mining for advertising purposes is such big business that he "wouldn't trust any encryption program unless it's offered on Ubuntu or some other Linux (sic) platform." Family dynamics come into play, of course. My late sister was "the smart one" and I was the cute little Shirley Temple lookalike with the lovely blonde curls that turned brown when I was eight and grey when I was 38 but the script had already been written by then and I could only play the part in which I had been cast. Parenthood is hard, GNUbahn. I commend you for doing the best you can and for having the courage to put this out there and ask for help. I put a lot of weight on what the teens and young adults have said on this thread because they are the real experts. A wise person once asked if it is harder to be the parent of a child or the child of a parent. Both have been challenging for my illustrious self. I gain wisdom from the teens and young adults in both aspects of my personal life.
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That's absolutely not what I said... "They", if it's those bavarian dudes (including Goethe, awesome fellow), planned to do rather positive things (the OPPOSITE of NWO). Plus they don't exist anymore since a long time ago. Frome there, "they", to you, are some supposedly real life people (or reptilians, while we're at it...) who planned to trick us with human rights while being assholes at the same time: Monsanto, Microsoft, damage our rights... Wait, first they provide rights, including the right to bring wrong things into light, then they damage those rights? If some sick people planned to do so, they're doing it the wrong way. Then you say "They" lie to us, and "they" want to control all the world. Can you be more generic and meaningless than that? I doubt it. Maybe have some proof? Or at least reasoning that makes sense? Removing 2/3 of humans with vaccines in schools and wars in middle easts? WTF is wrong with you? First, we live longer than our ancestors, vaccines or not. Second, we have less wars than ever in human history (I think, gotta confirm that). Still, even if having current wars going on is wrong, if you think this would remove 2/3 of humanity, you're doing math wrong. Death is still death, but the point is what you're saying makes no sense. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_by_death_toll https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_military_conflicts Even if what you said made sense, how being against human rights help? Even if it's a trick, it's good stuff. As far as I know, being pro-human rights doesn't make people be pro Monsanto, pro-war and pro Microsoft (well the latter is more an ignorance or convenience thing).
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Yes, that was very helpful and the language problem is my own, not yours, and something that I need to work on and you can help by pointing out to me so that I can see it. I was not a normal child either. I learned how to read at 3 and the grownups did everything they could to prevent me from reading what I wanted "because it will make her too different from the other children". My grown children were and are strange in their own ways. My minor child appears to be a normal, healthy, neurotypical little boy. He loves cowsay, lolcat, and fortune and when I showed him the killall command so that he could close programs more easily on a tiling window manager, he thought it was hilarious to type in things like "Kill all the bad guys in this comic book I'm reading! Kill all the grownups who won't let me do what I want to!" and seeing what the computer said. And not directed at you Majin Buu, but the other native English speakers might share my sense of humour and get a stress-relieving giggle when I say: Pokemon Go just can't compete with THAT! ;)
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Sorry if I'm wrong, I had problems for understanding your answer because I'm not a native speaker (I'm Chilean :P): With my post I don't tried to address your problem (or Heater Jr. one). I only said that the kind of books that mangeur posted are mandatory. Now, if you ask my opinion, I don't believe that a little child (
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> I perfectly understand you, I think most of us do, sometimes you might feel you'll explote X2
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Protip: using the word "historically" doesn't grant your conspiracy theories legitimacy. If you want to say that something has "historically" happened, you need to be prepared to back up that claim with some examples. > imposed vaccines in schools which have mercury Vaccines intended for young children do not have thimerosal anymore. Even when they did (2 decades ago), it was such a tiny dosage that it couldn't have even the slightest effect on any human's health. The kids who go thimerosal from their vaccines were probably damaged much more by naturally occurring asbestos dust, or lead which naturally occurs in the dirt. It's certainly nothing compared to the amount of mercury metal encountered in a single serving of fish. Also, it's not reasonable to equate thimerosal to mercury metal. They are not the same things. It's like equating oxygen (O2) to ozone (O3). Oxygen is essential for human life, but ozone is quite toxic. You can't just add the effects of individual elements together to find out what a substance will do to the human body. > with wars in middle east Funny enough, yeah, the wars in the middle east are a result of powerful people trying to take over the world. But those powerful people are those running the established United States empire, just as all empires throughout history have tried to do. There's no need to invoke an "Illuminati" or "New World Order" to explain it.
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Point taken and it's a good one. They aren't here and Heather Jr. is. Not the forums, of course, because he isn't thirteen yet and he would still be thrilled if I gave him back his Nintendo 3DS even after reading the same things I read and discussing everything calmly and rationally. It's so easy to spout off like an expert because I want to help GNUbahn but I am not an expert and I need help from people who are closer to Heather Jr.'s age to figure this thing out in a way that is going to work for HIM.
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Heather Jr. is my 9 year old son's pseudonym. Poor kids! Now I don't have to say "ds9, ds25, and dd28" any more anyway. ;)
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Griselda-Beatriz was awesome. That's is such an terrifying way to teach about privacy. But did it work properly? Did they really learned about the message you was trying to give?
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The point is that, as you said, they want to create the New World Order and we have seen that they are achieving that. They have been present since centuries ago, and they participated on the declaration of human rights to make us think they are "good" like if they protected us. False, they are worst than Monsantos and Microsoft, they also damage us and our rights, they also lie to us, and the worst of all, it that they want to control all the world. They have plans after that, for example removing 2/3 of humans, and they are already starting, with imposed vaccines in schools which have mercury, with wars in middle east, etc.
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I agree entirely that preaching for ears that don't wish to hear is pointless. You must wait for the right moment. However, it doesn't hurt to sometimes give then a quick description of what you do if they ask you to, or if there is a news or debate about something related (directly or indirectly) to our work --- for example, when there is news of self-driving cars, electronic voting systems, tax income declaration using computers, heart pacemakers, farm vehicles controled by computers, spying, censorship, cybernetic crimes or attacks, or anything related to technology or culture. Also, I bring to you as a reference Eben Moglen's talk during LibrePlanet 2017 ([[https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/the-free-software-movement-in-the-age-of-trump/]]), and from it I take the understanding that we must separate the non-activists of free/libre software in two groups: - Younger people (mostly children) often seek to explore and understand how things work. For this we must explain the essential freedoms and how they interfere with daily lives *first*, before showing "cools stuff". - Older people (mostly adults) want things that can help them do their things now, so we perhaps have to show the "cool stuff" first and then explain the essential freedoms and how they interfere with daily lives. Making sure that the "cool stuff" isn't regarded as priority, but as a consequence. Also, make sure to indeed raise the importance of the essential freedoms. -- - [[https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno]] - Palestrante e consultor sobre /software/ livre (não confundir com gratis). - "WhatsApp"? Ele não é livre, por isso não uso. Iguais a ele prefiro GNU Ring, ou Tox. Quer outras formas de contato? Adicione o vCard que está no endereço acima aos teus contatos. - Pretende me enviar arquivos .doc, .ppt, .cdr, ou .mp3? OK, eu aceito, mas não repasso. Entrego apenas em formatos favoráveis ao /software/ livre. Favor entrar em contato em caso de dúvida.
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If you get a chance, I'd love to hear a kid's and a digital native's perspective on how early you think it might work as a casual read aloud instead of family movie night kind of thing. Heather Jr. isn't some supergenius who can do high school level work, just a normal nine year old. I've thought about pulling that one of the shelf soon but I haven't read it in a dog's age and I think I might have done Grapes of Wrath too early for John. He didn't seem to understand it even though he did read it because it was mandatory.
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> These kind books should be mandatory in high school. Well, I'm Sophomore and I have to read Fahrenheit 451 by June 20th. We can say that some of these books are mandatory ;)
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That is against the rulez of the mommywebz and you shall pay. ;) https://veillifted.wordpress.com/tag/trolls-with-wooden-spoons/ You know I don't have enough imagination to make this poo-poo up!
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I think I'll name my next dog Griselda-Beatriz..
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Hey, why Griselda-Beatriz has such a crazy funky name when John is plain John? Such a missed opportunity. I suggest "Johnny-Johannes-DaBoss the 3rd". Yeah, no. Still too tame :P
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Kinda harsh to me. Also, it's quite ironic to preach for privacy if you spy on them (even if it's to teach them a lesson).
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Historically? You mean bavarian illuminati? Because "The society's goals were to oppose superstition, obscurantism, religious influence over public life and abuses of state power. "The order of the day," they wrote in their general statutes, "is to put an end to the machinations of the purveyors of injustice, to control them without dominating them"." WHAT KIND OF MONSTERS ARE THEY?!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati Oh, and if you mean so-called modern illuminati, besides being complete BS, their goal would be to bring a "new world order", a totalitarian order (the opposite of the bavarian ones, btw). Which is funny because it's part of "right-wing populist conspiracy theories". And because the only rational answer to a totalitarian order would be "the rise to power of authoritarian ultranationalist demagogues". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_(conspiracy_theory) What was your point again?
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"Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say." https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden I perfectly understand you, I think most of us do, sometimes you might feel you'll explote But you have to be cold: I have a little cousin, he's like 3 years old, and all his family uses anti-privacy technology (except me, I'm the black sheep), there are hundreds of photos and videos of him in Facebook's database, like many other little kids, and they have no idea of the risk, and surely they'll difficulty know about, they just care about playing -like any child does-, and they'll grow up living with this kind of society of the "I don't care", "I've nothing to hide". So that's why my suggestion is to be non-emotive about this topics, if not, you'll likely feel bad. I'm not being pessimist, I'm being realistic, but well, this is just my opinion
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You can say "If the Facebook's creator was cracked, I don't want to imagine a normal used"
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Be careful with the ones behind the declaration of human rights Historically, the ultra-powerful secret families (Illuminatis) control everything. Of course, that can change, but as Stallman said (and this is also historical), freedom requires sacrifices, some of which people is not willing to. P.S: The photo appeared in my History book. So I searched it as "declaracion de los derechos humanos le barbier"
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Yeah, as someone else mentioned it's like health. Most kids gorge on potato chips and McDonalds and other terrible food without a second thought -- it's only when they get older and something bad happens that they realize they were wrong all along. For many people, it's when they get hacked or stalked by a random stranger. Hopefully those things never happen to anyone, but at the same time, if it teaches someone the importance of privacy, I can see the value of those things happening.
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Another thing I did WRONG was letting my ex pay for the kids' phones and phone bills. By being the "cool mom" who gave her daughter piercings and tattoos for birthday presents, I maintained enough power to make sure they were done in sanitary conditions by trained professionals---and of course, that there weren't but so many of them, because the kid had to describe in detail what she wanted and then wait for the next gift giving occasion. My 9 year old doesn't need a phone yet, but when he does I will gladly pay the bill for a simple flip phone or replicant. If your teens are older or your ex is paying for their phones, you STILL have the right to have rules about when, how, and where phones are used in YOUR house and around YOUR four year old. It's probably not as common as it used to be, but some people do not allow cell phones in their homes at all. Socially it's a lot like those eccentric folks who don't let you wear shoes inside. You may think they're a little strange and even giggle about it behind their backs, but you don't express your feewings by ignoring their signs and the cubbyholes on their porches and tracking mud all over their white carpets, do you?
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I typed my kids' names into a search engine every week or so during the MySpace era, talked loudly and obnoxiously about what I found, and made sure that my horrified then-teenagers knew that anyone else who knew even that much about them could find the same information. It worked better for Griselda-Beatriz than it did for John, of course. John, however, shared a name with an extremely dangerous escaped criminal at one point so I made sure he knew that and also that there are consequences to having common names and being mistaken for other Johns. Griselda-Beatriz and John aren't my adult kids' real names, of course, but you get the point.
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Sniff all their packets and read anything in cleartext aloud for everyone to hear. They might start using encryption then.
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Here's another link for your teens, GnuBahn: http://www.boredpanda.com/face-recognition-photography-your-face-is-big-data-egor-tsvetkov/ or if they are not receptive, I hope it will give you the courage to continue protecting your four year old as long as you can. Minetest and hedge wars are very popular around here if you're looking for "cool factor" and alternatives to proprietary games. My 9 year old has successfully brought online friends over from Minecraft so I know he does think about these things, he is just a child who still needs a bit of help and protection.
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fjukken zuccamerd!
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> Then propose the 50$ or 100$ to read them and make you a small resume of it. Just when I thought I heard all the most terrible advices.. The books you linked though are excellent. +1
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Privacy is like good health. You don't know you had it until you lost it. Just ask them if they should fear if they have something to hide. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_to_hide_argument
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Yeah, most people my age generally do not care about their privacy. You can't force someone to be concerned about privacy.
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I think The Matrix is also a good movie about this. You know, the fake steak vs the disgusting (but real and nutrious) stuff they eat when out of the Matrix. History is also a good source : the Stasi, the book burnings, the lists... Most likely what they're interested in (books, comics, movies, games) involve some foe that might stick just right with the message you try to communicate (although very Manichean probably). Also, if you're not into what they're interested in, it might sound cheesy. Also yes, plain parental authority (I'm not saying it works): don't allow anyone to send pictures of themselves. They can wait and show them when facing the person. whether they'll obey or not, a message is sent The harder part is facing social pressure: others do it, so not doing it might ostracize them. There's also something about being an individual, not blindly following trends/masses. Not getting tricked by that. I don't think not mentioning it at all is a good thing, but don't push it too much/too often either.
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I don't know about the cash reward. Also the web is full of resume ;) Thanks for some of those reading suggestions.
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As a teenager, I feel that my opinion may be helpful here- on the other hand, with the closest "typical" teenagers I have being peers and a sibling, it may be no more insightful than a parent's. Firstly, OnPon4's point is worth keeping in mind- once a person enters adolescence, the influence of the caregiver is greatly diminished. I can give you some suggestions as to what might help with your concerns, but nothing you can do will convert them. The best you can do is to address what *your* concerns are through rules, and then make the case for your argument where relevant current affairs come up. However, never make an 'I told you so' point (that just infuriates them) and only make a given point once (unless they're interested, doing it twice will only sound preachy). Your best hope, I would suspect, is to combine strict-but-fair boundaries on technology usage with emotional appeals (in the form of scare tactics and making it 'cool'). On the emotional appeals side, fear might best be projected with a story of how much a third party can find out from your social media history- see, for example, https://labs.rs/en/browsing-histories/. 'Coolness' can be, for example, shown in everything from (if you don't feel it'll encourage bad behaviors) the deep web to the sometimes underrated no-cost stuff. These things, combined with the (maybe it's just me?) euphoria of booting a feature-packed OS from a 100MB USB, were what brought me to the dark side. In regards to rules, these are obviously going to be your choice and depend on what you and your children think is fair. However, with phones for example, rules on where and when they can be used might be helpful- the choice of locations would depend on what is required to reduce the worst risks (e.g. taking inappropriate pictures of your younger one or having sensitive conversations recorded) without 'destroying their lives'. I'm not sure how practical such rules are- I don't feel the need to have a phone or standard social media services anyway, so I would follow them easily- but that's my two cents.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Mission impossible: Family privacy
Preaching for ears that don't wish to hear is pointless. My girlfriend is well aware about the worries and the rots of Microsoft and yet she doesn't care. She used Ubuntu for sometime (I believed it would be easier for her to get used). She really liked it. Found it very easier to install the printer with gnu/linux, worked way better with Libreoffice and was very pleased with VLC, and all the torrenting thing (this all were new for her). She couldn't stay with that because the people she works with uses only Windows, and she was tired of fixing compatibilities problems and etc. So she asked me to install Win 7 again, for my tears. It have been like this for about four years. I imagine this problem is a little more complicated with children. With all the fancy things that young ones will be exposed to in the feature, their little brains will not develop in the way of the free software, unless the kids are interested on digital freedom from themselves. Wouldn't it help if they watched the Snowden film? I doubt they would like to read thousands of words about the whole case. Another idea is to present em the onion web. Kids these days are all brainwashed by this "propaganda" about deepweb and how bad it is. Why don't show them that deepweb is far from being the bad thing people make up. I'm not very good about education, but here you can clearly see the problem generated by the lack of free software teaching in the schools. If this were a main concern, such things wouldn't happen.
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I don't know how old they are but if they are still young. Buy the books Fahrenheit 451 and 1984. Read them (if not already). Then propose the 50$ or 100$ to read them and make you a small resume of it. These kind books should be mandatory in high school. They are classics but there's more than just these ones. For example: Propaganda, by Edward Bernays. War is a Racket, by Smedley D. Butler. Brave New World, by Aldous Huxley On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society Animal Farm, by George Orwell. I suggest for anyone who wants to have a better way of communication with people to read Nonviolent Communication: A Language of Life, by Marshall B. Rosenberg
Re: [Trisquel-users] Mission impossible: Family privacy
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Re: [Trisquel-users] Mission impossible: Family privacy
People don't become concerned about issues because someone else told them to. They become concerned because of their own decisions to learn about them. You can't control this. So I don't recommend trying to change people's mind by bringing up the topic with them. That doesn't mean keeping it to yourself, but unless there's a very good reason to talk about it (e.g. because they asked about it, or because they need to know about it to understand something), don't talk about it. Counter-intuitive, I know, but I think this is a far better strategy in the long-run.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Mission impossible: Family privacy
I'm dealing with this too and am all ears. My olders are 29, 28, and 25 and cannot be trusted with pictures of my 9 year old. I send them artistically arranged snapshots of his handwriting, artwork, academic accomplishments etc. and descriptive paragraphs that would make Pa Ingalls proud of my "seeing out loud" abilities. My 9 year old is the spoiled and pampered darling of the #lgn community, but he still shows some very bad judgement online and simply does not have the physical maturity for reliable impulse control yet. I have had to pull rank with him about a proprietary gaming device. I think he understood the reasons why we needed to stop using his 25 year old brother's Christmas present to him, but it was more comfortable for him to break an unrelated rule so he could be punished by having the toy taken away than it was for him to voluntarily give up the toy after digesting the information. Citizenfour and Revolution OS might be good movies for your teens to watch and there is also a movie version of 1984 if they aren't big pleasure readers. I woulda coulda shoulda done a lot of things differently with my olders.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Mission impossible: Family privacy
Don't fabricate your own prison ! Don't feed the beast !
Re: [Trisquel-users] Mission impossible: Family privacy
>what is the powerful story that can wake up even youngsters to see and accept that privacy is a concern they should take serious? Show them this photo >
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http://gilc.org/privacy/survey/intro.html PRIVACY AND HUMAN RIGHTS An International Survey of Privacy Laws and Practice Privacy is a fundamental human right recognized in the UN Declaration of Human Rights, the International Convenant on Civil and Political Rights and in many other international and regional treaties. Privacy underpins human dignity and other key values such as freedom of association and freedom of speech. It has become one of the most important human rights issues of the modern age. The publication of this report reflects the growing importance, diversity and complexity of this fundamental right.
[Trisquel-users] Mission impossible: Family privacy
I live in a family with teenagers. They know that privacy is an issue, but they have no concerns about it, and so far my explanations and concerns are of no use to them. They rather find my 'preaching' annoying. They don't really see a problem. What are the good arguments and examples, what is the powerful story that can wake up even youngsters to see and accept that privacy is a concern they should take serious? I also have a young child (4y) whom the older ones naturally find very cute. They are not too bad, but every now and them they take pictures and videos of their cute little sibling. They say they do not post those pictures on e.g. the book of faeces, instant cramp or the like. While this _might_ be true, I find it hard to believe that they don't occasionally send or post some of these pictures. On top of this, there is the problem of quite a number of always-on mobile devices from absolutely not privacy-friendly companies. Any suggestions on how to handle situations of this sort?
