Re: [Trisquel-users] How to remove JPEG, MPEG, GIF, DOC and other unwanted patented software?

2016-04-15 Thread dguthrie
Formats aren't software, being able to read patented formats does not take  
away your freedom, although some patented formats have been  
reverse-engineered so that they could be read with free software. Many  
patents have expired such as for GIF, and in many places outside the US of A  
these silly software patents are mostly irrelevant.
Why would you want to remove support in Libreoffice for DOC files? These is  
the most commonly-used document format! It is all free software so unless you  
want pain and awkwardness by not being able to read many other people's  
documents, that is a silly idea!
Digital restrictions are maybe what you are confusing here, but including  
support for a patented format is not the same thing as restricting you. If  
anything it is great that LibreOffice can read almost all formats because  
then it makes it easy for people to switch!
Also libdrm is not a "digital restrictions" library! It is a crucial  
component for graphics: direct rendering manager! That would be really silly  
to remove this crucial library!
Alos gNewSense is hopelessly outdated which is very worrying from a security  
stand-point. Don't leave Trisquel!

I hope this helps!


Re: [Trisquel-users] How to remove JPEG, MPEG, GIF, DOC and other unwanted patented software?

2016-04-15 Thread stas . mihaylenko

Please, tell me about .midi (timidity package).
P. S. Patent? QM-coder, IBM, JPEG.


Re: [Trisquel-users] How to remove JPEG, MPEG, GIF, DOC and other unwanted patented software?

2016-04-15 Thread enduzzer



I think it's not what this guy thinks it is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Rendering_Manager


Re: [Trisquel-users] How to remove JPEG, MPEG, GIF, DOC and other unwanted patented software?

2016-04-15 Thread stas . mihaylenko

P. S. Trisquel site BG is JPEG. Please, fix it.


Re: [Trisquel-users] How to remove JPEG, MPEG, GIF, DOC and other unwanted patented software?

2016-04-15 Thread onpon4
Just a general rule: don't react to things with extremism, especially things  
you don't know about. I see this mistake from new people all too often. Take  
a deep breath and actually learn why Trisquel doesn't filter out all of these  
things; don't assume that it's because Trisquel is "malware".


I'll just tackle all of your concerns:

- JPEG is a non-patented, non-secret format. It poses no problems at all for  
anybody. It's currently the best format for lossy image compression.


- I think all of the MPEG formats are patent-encumbered. So if you're in a  
position where you're likely to be attacked by patent trolls, not having  
support for them may be a good idea. In that case, just remove the  
"libgstreamer-plugins-bad0.10-0" package. However, you are probably not in  
such a position.


- All of the patents on LZW (the part of GIF that was patent-encumbered)  
expired years ago. You don't need to worry about expired patents. The only  
reason not to use GIF now is that PNG is simply a better format.


- .doc is not patent-encumbered, just secret. It's not very good to give  
people .doc files, but you aren't going to benefit at all from refusing to  
run libre software that is able to read this format due to  
reverse-engineering.


- I think that .docx is patent-encumbered, but for the moment, Microsoft has  
promised not to sue anyone for patent infringement. Again, you ought to not  
give people these files, but you gain nothing from not being able to read  
them.


- .ico, .wav, and .bmp are all non-patented and non-secret. They don't have  
"licenses". No license is needed if the format isn't encumbered by patents.


- As root_vegetable said, "DRM" in the context of Linux means "Direct  
Rendering Manager". You shouldn't just assume you know what something is  
based on its name like that. Without the DRM, I don't think you would be able  
to use a graphical display at all.


Re: [Trisquel-users] How to remove JPEG, MPEG, GIF, DOC and other unwanted patented software?

2016-04-15 Thread onpon4
MIDI is a non-patented, non-secret format. It's pretty much just a sequence  
of notes.


QM-coder is related to an obscure format called JBIG, not JPEG. And those  
patents are all expired. Why are you actively trying to find reasons to  
excommunicate file formats?


You're still reacting to things you don't know about with extremism. I don't  
"hate" MP3 files. I also don't refuse to listen to them. I avoid distributing  
them because there are still some active patents on the format (until 2017 or  
2018, I'm not sure which), and I don't want to invite legal trouble for  
myself or anyone else.


The real issue is what formats are popularly being used. We need to work on  
non-patented, non-secret formats to make them better than patent-encumbered  
formats so that ordinary people will be more likely to choose them and  
harware manufacturers will be more likely to support hardware-accelerated  
decoding of them, and we need to make it easy for all relevant software (and  
that includes proprietary software) to support these non-patented, non-secret  
formats.


Re: [Trisquel-users] How to remove JPEG, MPEG, GIF, DOC and other unwanted patented software?

2016-04-15 Thread dguthrie
Aye, to be honest patented hardware is a bigger problem. Yet I somehow doubt  
the original poster intends to cease to use a computer, or any of the other  
myriad patented objects so common in the Western world. 


Re: [Trisquel-users] How to remove JPEG, MPEG, GIF, DOC and other unwanted patented software?

2016-04-15 Thread travis
I'm also a free software and free culture supporter, but this is a little bit  
much yea?


Re: [Trisquel-users] How to remove JPEG, MPEG, GIF, DOC and other unwanted patented software?

2016-04-15 Thread stas . mihaylenko

All patents expired?
"Although the "baseline" variety of JPEG is believed patent-free, there are  
many patents associated with some optional features of JPEG, namely  
arithmetic coding and hierarchical storage. For this reason, these optional  
features are never used on the Web."


Re: [Trisquel-users] How to remove JPEG, MPEG, GIF, DOC and other unwanted patented software?

2016-04-15 Thread stas . mihaylenko

So, I can use JPEG & other now, MPEG at 2018. Please, close the topic.


Re: [Trisquel-users] How to remove JPEG, MPEG, GIF, DOC and other unwanted patented software?

2016-04-15 Thread onpon4
> If patented features are available on Trisquel, I need to remove the GUI,  
because I can't remove libjpeg without removing lots graphical packages.


Then remove the GUI. I don't care; it's your life. But if you're going to be  
this absurdly paranoid, maybe you should just not use a computer at all.  
There are legitimate obstacles to liberty in computing we have to deal with,  
like the fact that all modern x86 CPUs refuse to even boot without  
proprietary software, and here you are moaning about imagined risks from  
patents that are not applicable, expired, not an imminent threat, or even  
purely hypothetical.