[TROM1] PRIVATE Re:http://www.freezoneearth.org back up.

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Dear Peter,
No one is maintaining it.  It supposedly cost $20 a month plus
labour expenses to keep up.  It is not up to date.  I was
thinking of suggesting closing it at the end of the year extension it has
got (or on 31st Dec this year) and running a warning about it in the
meantime, so people can take their material off.
However I have just talked to a friend (called Roy or Paul, from Asia and
at the moment living in Roxwell Georgia).  He say it should not cost
so much.  That it is easy to get uptodate (especially mad is all
those "new" things which are years old).  He suggested
that a committee of ExScn all cable of updating the list should be
appointed.  At the moment it is updated /run (sort of) by a friend
of a friend of mine
He wrote to me:

I'm not  comfortable giving that information out.
I'll give you the info, but, unless someone else is actually offering
cash money to sustain the web site, then the information is
confidential.
Curiosity is not enough.
I pay the bill; it is about $200.00 a month plus Xxx's labor.
Xxx has it registered, but the name of the owner is shrouded
to keep the Co$ from going after one of us.
I'll be speaking to this friend on Tuesday, and discuss
this.
I have limited comm lines, and I do not think there are five people on my
lines who would be willing form a committee and to commit themselves to,
over the years, jointly as needed, keeping an eye on the site and making
occasional updates.
David Pelley (just say "someone") saw about it on the Trom
list, and asked me questions, some of the replies I got from my
friend  follow:

How long is it good for?

One year

What is going to happen next time?

Same kind of thing, we'll rush around with no idea what to do, and
"what was that password?" Etc

Rather funny - quiet in opposition to Ron's Policy on Cope and
Organise :-) But that started me wondering what was the optimum thing to
do about the site!
Maybe you have some ideas.  If you do, it would be nice if you got
them to me before I talk to my friend (by regular appointment every
Tuesday at 06.08 Scentral European time  - he is in
California)
All best wishes,
Ant

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Hi Ant
  Who is maintaining the
freezoneearth.org site.  I
would like to ask them to add a pointer to the
Amazon.com authors page for Dennis
Stephens but when i sent an email to the contact address at the
freezoneearth.org site it came
back undeliverable.
Thanks
Pete Mclaughlin
Sent from my iPad
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http://www.freezoneearth.org  is in place again.
Ant
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[TROM1] http://www.freezoneearth.org back up.

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http://www.freezoneearth.org  is in place again.
Ant

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Re: [TROM1] For Discussion: Buddha Nirvana Process from Little Purple Notebook

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At 01:19 01-11-2014, Colleen K. Peltomaa wrote:
It was either Ed Dawson or Max
Sandor who wrote this:
 From what I have read, the Buddha also did some serious
timebreaking.
749. The Nirvana Process [From Little
Purple Notebook]
  
It was Max Sandor who published (on the net) the Little Purple
Notebook.
It should not be forgotten that it was Max who started this TROM
list,  After it had been dead a while I took it over and revived it,
and at a later date Peter McLaughlin took it over.  It might be one
of the oldest still existing Internet lists.  Max started it by
paying a firm for the use of it, and when I took it over he restarted it
himself in conjunction with Flemming Funch. So far as I know Flemming
still hosts it for nothing.
All the best,
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[TROM1] Tone scale: Re: R: Ken Ogger's Cosmic History

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At 23:17 06-09-2014, Pete Mclaughlin wrote:
While Dennis does mention the
CDEI in the books he does not mention the emotional tone scale.  The
emotional tone scale was developed by LRH to guide pre-E-meter auditors
in assessing the PC's progress in an incident. TROM does not need that or
an e-meter to guide the solo auditor through an incident.

I understood that the Tone scale was observed by Ron (and others) in
running engrams in early Dianetics. It appears in its earliest version in
Dianetics: Modern Science of Mental Health. It may seem
"nit-picking" but I do not think it was "developed" -
it stood out like a sore thumb while you ran an engram. (see the
book)
All best wishes,
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[TROM1] Don't mind being known

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Dear Trommers,

When you compare TROM to Scientology, it might be worth remembering a 
Scientology principle (or hypothesis), that of gradient scales. There 
are things in between extremes. For example some one might be in a 
condition of not minding if a few people knew her/him.


All best wishes,

Ant

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Re: [TROM1] The Pilot (Ken Ogger): Cosmic History.

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Thanks you Aarre.
The instalments have started going out with some comments.  As well
as enrolling  on the list at

http://lists.worldtrans.org/mailman/listinfo/cosmichistory, as a
temporary measure you can see the instalments as they come out, and many
of the comments at

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/4ivdz2o592s4vd5/fJ5cRbJpx2 .
Eventually they will be "long term" available at

www.cosmichistory.info. I say "long term" because I can not
guarantee they will be there until the end of this universe.
All best wishes,
Ant

At 03:14 17-03-2014, Aarre Peltomaa wrote:
Thanks so much,  Antony
!
I've read and printed this volume before,  but it was good to be
refreshed of it again.  It rekindles my urgency to get on with the
show,  and do TROM rather than discussing it.  We've got to get
the job done this lifetime,  as all these adventures in the 'Cosmic
History' have grown  very,  very 'long in the tooth' !
Much Appreciated.
Aarre Peltomaa
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For your information,  I have just started sending the Pilot's
Cosmic History out in weekly instalments.  It is a discussion group
(list similar to this TROM list) but concerned solely with the Pilot's
Cosmic History, and discussions and questions concerning it..  You
can see details and enroll by going to: 

http://lists.worldtrans.org/mailman/listinfo/cosmichistory
This Cosmic History list is concerned solely with that subject. 
I have sent it out seven times in the past. Very interesting  as I
have changed my mind quite a bit about it and this time will be the last
time (I expect).

Your participation is invited, includeing writing on that subject if
you are interested.

All best wishes,

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[TROM1] The Pilot (Ken Ogger): Cosmic History.

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For your information,  I have just started sending the Pilot's Cosmic 
History out in weekly instalments.  It is a discussion group (list 
similar to this TROM list) but concerned solely with the Pilot's 
Cosmic History, and discussions and questions concerning it..  You 
can see details and enroll by going 
to:  http://lists.worldtrans.org/mailman/listinfo/cosmichistory
This Cosmic History list is concerned solely with that subject.  I 
have sent it out seven times in the past. Very interesting  as I have 
changed my mind quite a bit about it and this time will be the last 
time (I expect).


Your participation is invited, includeing writing on that subject if 
you are interested.


All best wishes,

Ant


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Re: [TROM1] Knowledge about the ape

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At 13:32 11-01-2014, max-cz...@seznam.cz wrote:
Hello TROMmers!
Where can I find knowledge about the ape (Quote: A knowledge of the
eating, mating, cultural and social habits of this ape are invaluable to
any being who wishes to walk this route).
Thank you
Max
Quote: The human body is thus a life form and a complex cellular
structure. It is also a mammal, and a member of what is called the higher
ape family. A know 
I would like to know who wrote this, when and where. please.
Thanks,
Ant

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Part 2
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Re: [TROM1] R: My love

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Humph!,  Judith Anderson's address is also wrong, and I do not think
she has anything to do with TROM.  Max Sandor's address is not the
one I have though I have not contacted him for a long time.
Out of date Home Pages are not a good advertisements (Grump. Grump :-(
)

At 17:04 08-12-2013, Flemming Funch wrote:
Wow, there's some really old
information there. Is it translated from an English page that is active?
If so, that ought to change too.
I'm not selling any TROM books, and that address of mine hasn't worked
for some 15 years.
- Flemming

2013/12/8
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Hello to all Trommers. 
This is a translation of the homepage. 
Some Trommers who knows the 'Italian - English 
is invited to report errors, before making it official. 
Thanks Nic ARC infinity


Informazioni su questo libro - Nota spe 



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[TROM1] Fwd: From [SuperScio] Pilot's repost Z79 -- Running Ridges //Then and Now Solids

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Dear TROMmer,
Many years ago I took over this list, which was started just after TROM
came out. It was started by  Max  Sandor (AKA a name I have
forgotten)  and had been lively, but there had not been a post for
about a year.  I offered to take it over, did so, and sent 
weekly selections from the early days of the list.  Later Peter took
it over, which I was very happy with.
There were two reasons why I took the list over, one was that it was
obvious that some (few perhaps) got very definite gains from using the
book, and the other was I was very happy about Time Breaking, because it
was based on an early pair of Scientology processes, which I otherwise
had not heard anything off in more recent years.
Recently I came across a reference to those processes, so I thought you
might like to see.

At 04:55 05-11-2013, Ant
Phillips quoted a part of a Pilot post:
...
So I applied the above paragraph
to it and came up with
the following -
Pick an object in the room. Alternately:
a) Make it more solid
b) Make it less solid ...
Then I used it as a variation on
Then and Now solids (16th
ACC). That process has you alternately mockup a picture
and use a "picture" off the track (for clears and people
without a compulsive time track, just remember something
visually). In Ron's version, you just make the picture
more solid and in this new variation you alternate making
it more and less solid a few times. I've run the original
version before and its kind of nice, but the enhancement
makes it really spectacular and for me it turned on all
sorts of perception changes.
Then came the really big surprise.
That rang a bell.
There were two process in the 50s which attracted my attention. 
Very many of the 50s processes were incorporated in the grades. 
These two, however, I do not seem to remember seeing or hearing of
since.
They were: 

Before and After Solids (20 Aug 56, old tech volume II, page
488) 
and 
Then and Now Solids (11 June 1957, old tech Volume III, page
71 and elsewhere, see index)
Nice to see an old friend again. I have thought about those two and
wondered why I had not heard of them since - were they forgotten (I
wondered).
The Pilot Post is another demonstration of the Pilot's talent. In the
late 90's he remembers a process from the mid 50s he heard about in his
extensive study of LRH lectures, and works on modifying/improving
it.
The only time I remember having seen or heard a ghost of those LRH 50s
techniques was when TROM (The Resolution of Mind) by Dennis
Stephens came out.  The first solo process (the first process for
most) is called Time Breaking, and reminds very thoroughly of
that.
All best wishes,
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You can see all of what the Pilot wrote in that excerpt from one of his
fortnightly postings to Internet at:

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?27983-The-Pilot-Excerpts-from-his-Writings&p=871524#post871524

Good TROMming,
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Re: [TROM1] Games - Total Freedom

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At 09:25 03-10-2013, Ludo Vermeulen wrote:

Hi,

I believe Ron was refering to total freedom while playing games.


Well you can see for certain what Ron was referring to if you read 
the chapter in the book referred to.

All the best,
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[TROM1] Games - Total Freedom

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Dear Trommer,
While we are talking of games, and because some here have been in
connection with Scientology, I wonder if you are aware that L Ron Hubbard
wrote "Only stupid visionaries chant of endless freedom.
"
I have recently written a bit about it, which you could see at:

http://www.antology.info/articledetails.php?id_art=24
Good Tromming,
Ant

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Re: [TROM1] The creator of the universe and the basic law that governs it.

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At 17:11 01-08-2012, SPE wrote:

The creator of this universe has
never been in this Universe 
One dogmatic statement deserves another:
You are one of the many creators of this universe, and you are in
it.
I know that is an unacceptable reality, so I will not enlarge on it. Also
it has taken me years to find that out, so I can't enlarge on it in an
e-mail.
All best wishes,
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[TROM1] Pilot'sPosts Introduction/advertisement

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Dear Trommer
This little announcement concerns Scientology, and many Scientologist's
break with the official organisation. It does not concern TROM, so if
Scientology and its splintering up does not interest you, I trust you
know very well where your computer's DELETE button is.
Scientology, the official organisation(s) has got worse and worse. It was
difficult to reform, because every form of criticism, other opinion or
protest was “handled” (meaning suppressed).
However there was one notable exception. One person did protest loud and
long, using the possibility of the fairly newly established Internet,
plus a rather good ability to send messages to Internet without it being
possible to trace the sender. He sent to the Internet a book, which he
called Super Scio, and a sort of protest Home Page, SCIENTOLOGY
REFORMER'S HOME PAGE
(
http://freezoneearth.org/pilot/reformer.html) - cleverly high
lighting many outnesses in the current Scientology organization and
giving LRH references, chapter and verse. He worked under a pseudonym,
"The Pilot", and was quite a thorn in the eye for the
establishment - one could well imagine that they would use fair means and
foul to shut him up. (I believe they did – very foul, over many years -
and they broke him as they did many others.)
It was a long time ago, the beginning of Internet. He was an expert at
computer programming, and understood the Internet so well that he could
originate emails bypassing the system for tracing the sender of a
message. He also, from 1997 to 2002, communicated to any one who would
receive and originated, through the Internet newsgroup
alt.clearing.technology. Although he wrote from “a hidden place”,
illegally, there was a chance of his being found out, so he only wrote
once a fortnight, to reduce this possibility. But he watched the Internet
daily, and answered mails addressed to him.
I intend to sent out selections from those fortnightly posts. And
subscribers to the SuperScio Internet list, which I run will receive them
and have the opportunity of commenting, adding their own viewpoints and
questions which other list members (hopefully) can answer. If you would
like to receive these selections weekly, enroll (it is free) at

http://lists.worldtrans.org/mailman/listinfo/superscio
There one can also comment and ask questions.
Many of the things he wrote are valid today. The selections will be sent
out weekly, but not in chronological order of when they were first sent.
Just for our admin, I will number them in the order I send them out, and
to make it clear that they are not anything like the original order, I
will number them Z1, Z2, etc. in the order I send them out.
If you have any interest in Scientology, I think I dare almost promise
you that you will find his views stimulating and thought provoking. And
then also, being a Internet list very like this, it could be that others
will come up with interesting views.
All best wishes,
Ant

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[TROM1] Fwd: Games

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Just sent to another list, this refers also to some of what I have read
recently on this list.
All best wishes,
Ant

Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 19:30:01
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To: ivy-subscriber...@lists.worldtrans.org
From: Ant Phillips 
Subject: [IVy-subs-1] Games
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Dear ivy-subscribers,
On two of the three list I am on there has been a lot of talk recently
about games.  I have found it confusing, and it seemed to me that
different people were using different definitions for the word
"game"
for example,  I came across one sentence :
"Since games are activities with terminals in opposition; there must
be a term for activities with terminals in agreement."
I can also remember (outside of Scn) phrases in the direction of "he
seems to be playing a game with me".  That was a special use of
the word game (implying hidden intentions, pervasions, and trouble
:-)).  The World Book Dictionary defines play games as
"to avoid facing up to a task in earnest; act
evasively"
Indeed the World Book Dictionary has 14 different meaning for the word
game, and eight definitions of the word game in combination with another
word or words.  Interesting. Having seen that I feel I have a bit of
an explanation as to why I have felt a bit confused with the quantity of
words about games, non of them including a definition.
For me a game does not have to have a second terminal, certainly not one
in opposition..  There is a card game some play by them self (I've
forgotten the name), where some times the player wins (it "goes
up") and sometime s/he does not. And there seem to be loads of
computer games, a percentage of which do not have an opponent.
We have had a number of great projects in Denmark over the past couple of
decades. Connecting two areas of land with large bridge and tunnel
connections for road and rail, and building a metro.  Those are
great games.  And Kennedy invented a great game of getting a man on
the moon.
I'd appreciate it if next time someone on this list talks about games,
they included the definition they were talking about.
Incidentally not all games are serious. Some are lighthearted, with
insouciant players.
All best wishes,
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[TROM1] Fwd: Dictionaries

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This and the following email refers a little to my reading of this 
list recently.

All best wishes,

Ant




Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 19:05:20 +0100
To: ivy-subscriber...@lists.worldtrans.org
From: Ant Phillips 
Subject: [IVy-subs-1] Dictionaries
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Dear ivy-subscribers,

Ron was a stickler for study and understanding words.  He did at a 
point talk about what was essential in a dictionary, and recommended 
The World Book Dictionary. This has the etymology of a word, a 
simple definition, or more if the word has various meanings, and a 
sample of its use as well as grammatical data.


The Scientology tech dictionary was a great disappointment. Not many 
simple definitions of words.


This was due to the fact that the makers of the dictionary were not 
allowed to use their common sense and make up definitions, they had 
to quote Ron.  On occasions they could not find one, and (only then) 
reference was made to Ron, who wrote a definition.


I have babbled on about the subject at greater length, with an good 
alternative to the tech dictionary, at:

http://www.antology.info/articledetails.php?id_art=2

All best wishes,

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At 03:04 2011-12-20, Pete McLaughlin's computer
wrote:
Good evening!link
deleted, my service provider will not receive mails with that link in,
regarding it a spam.

    Tue,
20 Dec 2011 3:04:54 
Pete's computer is infected.
When I clicked on the link in that message, my anti-virus programme
stepped in and warned me that it was a malicious programme.
I hope you have up to date anti virus programme working.
His computer already sent such a message to two list which I
administer.
All best wishes,
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At 01:00 2011-10-02, Pete McLaughlin wrote:
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>My problem with the LRH approach is that it requires a separate 
>auditor to make it work.
...
A small comment here. There is more Scientology tech than what LRH 
actually wrote.  I am thinking here of "requires a separate auditor 
to make it work".  The Pilot has written an excellent book called 
"Self Clearing" which many can do alone. In a sense it approaches the 
subject from more different angles than TROM, which could be an 
advantage. He writes Scientology processes in a form that is meant of 
self auditing. You find the book (free download) at 
http://freezoneearth.org/downloads/files.html#Self2004
The revised 2004 edition omits the word Scientology, replaced it by 
the word Clearing.

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I found that most interesting.  You never (or rarely) know what goes
on in other's "head".
Ant
At 05:01 2011-09-18, Paul Tipon wrote:
The next day after a session,
while in the garage having a cigarette,  
I realized that I have been TimeBreaking all of my life.  I
would  
always either reminisce or while reminiscing go over and over an 

event that may have been troubling me to see what I could have done 

better.  They didn’t always have to be troubling.  All that
was  
needed was the desire and thought to do better next time.  I’m
sure  
you will agree, there is always a next time.  This held me in
good  
stead in athletics and later as an engineer.  Certainly it just
plain  
helped with life altogether.
There was always a next time.  However this was such a good
exercise  
that I also did TimeBreaking on future events that I knew were
coming  
my way.  Ever see an athlete yawn before his performance?  Hey,
he  
could have been TimeBreaking his next performance or an older
one.
I would guess, that because of this natural way of doing things, my 

auditing in Scn went very well and easy.  I actually had a
‘true’  
accident during a Grade II session where my bank actually blew up
in  
front of me.  I actually saw the mass blow up and disappear, 

pictures, commands and everything all the way back to zero.  Hit
the  
auditor in the back of the head and he looked up and around to see 

what had happened and a few moments later noticed the E meter had
an  
F/N and called ‘end of session’.  That’s where I went Clear. 
Since  
then, I have gone whole track to the tune of Billions of years. 
In  
one session I actually started to address OT III as a Clear and
told  
the auditor and decided not to pursue it any further, so we
didn’t.   
Two years after that I actually recalled what OT III was as I was 

coming down the stairs at ASHO LA.  I had read nothing prior to
this  
about OT III but have since which has validated my knowingness. 
I  
will say that from my knowingness, even Ron’s telling of the action 

of OT III has parts that are off.
Back to Level 3.  During session when I am TimeBreaking, an 

interesting question came to mind.  When I’m looking at a ‘then’,
who  
or what is looking at it?  Right next to that when I am looking at
a  
‘now’, who or what is looking at that?  In both cases, is it the
same  
who or what?  I have my answer and I leave it for each to come
up  
with their own realization.  If you work this out correctly, there
is  
a cog there waiting for you  and a knowingness and ability
gained.
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At 19:57 10-04-2011, Colleen Peltomaa wrote:
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>I "passed" the test Dennis gives and then had my auditor run the CCH's on me.

...

Yes. Reminds me of something.  I know a Scientology Briefing course 
student from the mid 60's who, until her husband died (also a 
Briefing course student, they met on the Briefing course), co-audited 
with her husband, and every year they did objectives with good 
results each time.
I do a bit of Looking at walls, walking over to them, touching them, 
now and again, (known as 8c) when there are too many things bubbling 
up in my socalled "mind".

You could say "It takes all sorts to make a world" :-)

All best wishes,

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At 21:15 09-04-2011, Mickel wrote:
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>I could probably do with some objectives myself so recently I sent for some
>Tai Chi CD/DVDs and the first exercise I saw was the one you described
>
>I don't know if you would call the following objectives but I find
>completing cycles of action around the house/garden to be very effective in
>keying out the reactive mind, at the moment I am organsing things around my
>house with the idea of "A place for everything and everything in it's place.

Yes.  Valid.  For me it includes washing up :-)

On the Survival Rundown, a Scientology thing extant around 1980 , and 
apparently forgotten, there were many objectives including something 
in the direction of the auditor going with the pc to his room/home, 
and supervising his tidying up.

There is a term I have heard recently: grounding.  It could be that 
if you do time breaking, RI, etc. without being grounded you are on 
uncertain ground, where you can alter significances, but have a more 
limited control of the real universe around you.

All best wishes,

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At 12:16 06-04-2011, macro scope wrote:
>It wouldn't be possible to approach the church and ask for CCH's so 
>that you could then do Trom.
>It is against their policy.
>For those he want to receive some objectives as a first step   then 
>I recommend "pauls robot auditor".
>http://www.paulsrobot.com/node/2

I don't know if they might (in some corner of their bureaucratic, 
statistic seeking environment) give some one objectives on demand, 
but, being a somewhat suppressive organisation, one would be lucky to 
get away with optimum results.

I am afraid that Dennis' test for whether you need objectives is 
subjective, meaning that it is the person him/herself that decides, 
so a fairly shall we say "unreal" person (meaning not a good grip on 
reality) might consider they had passed the test, and go on quickly 
to the upper TROM levels and produce some astounding results.

Apart from the method suggested to handle the problem, I can suggest 
a few other things.

Seek a non Church (some times called "Free Zone") auditor.

Do the objectives yourself, as outlined in the early chapters of the 
Pilot's book "Self Clearing" : see 
http://lists.worldtrans.org/mailman/listinfo/selfclearing2004
download from http://freezoneearth.org/downloads/files.html#Self2004

Go for long walks (probably at least half an hour, two or three or 
more times a week, for some months)

Do some sort of martial arts.

(This last one is tough)  Stand with slightly bent knees, and arms 
outstretched (an angle of about five degrees over horizontal, palms 
upwards, is an added nicety), or arms forming a circle in front of 
you. Stand still in the chosen position for at least half an 
hour.  For any one in doubt as to what "Change" is, I am pretty sure 
there will come changes as you do this, partly in the form of 
physical "pain" (somatics). Just keep on - they come and go.  Also 
other unpleasant phenomena may turn on (probably will).  I got this 
from Tai Chi, which is also a possibility.

The Scientology theory behind the usefulness (in some cases need) for 
objectives, very briefly and roughly, is that you can divide life 
into mass and significance.  Significance is easy to play around 
with, change, figure about, but if you do not confront mass (mental 
and in life) or have difficulty in confronting mass, changing 
significances will not get you very far. The objectives get you to 
confront mass, and in fact also mental mass.   You could also, by the 
way, run the Scientology process of 8c on yourself.  (Walking between 
walls and touching them, again, I'd say at least half an hour at a time)

In all these things it is best to continue until you have pushed 
through a period of unpleasantness (including near unconsciousness) 
and come somewhat out of it.

Hope this helps somewhere someone.

All best wishes

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At 21:51 01-01-2011, Martin Foster wrote:
Hi Ant,
I would be very interested in the two early processes you mention that
Time-breaking is based on. 
As far as I can remember they were called "Then and Now
Solids", and "Before and After Solids"
 black
case.  Did John also complain of this? No (or
rather, not to my knowledge). As far as I can remember he could not
understand why I was not a... well, "TROM addict"  :-) .
So to be polite, I explained, which was the so called "black
case", and I referred him to the very full account in the
Archives.
why you did not
refer him to someone on this list who doesn't find TROM difficult to
understand?.  Why on earth did John have David Pelly and yourself as
advisers for TROM?  I referred him to the list.
You think I should have done more? Like making a judgement on who was
good or bad on the list? I have (as far as I can remember) never had any
one else write to me about TROM, certainly since Pete took over the list.
His letters came as rather a surprise. Which might be some excuse
for  suboptimum replies. I really have no great "love" for
TROM. I merely kept the list going for years because people were getting
gains from TROM and no one (until Pete came along) volunteered to take
over.
All best wishes,
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Dear Martin and each other list member.
At 21:51 01-01-2011, Martin Foster wrote:
I would be very
interested in the two early processes you mention that Time-breaking is
based on. I do not think I have claimed that it is
"based on" anything.  Merely that these processes bore a
resemblance to time breaking. (But that is perhaps an over pedantic
remark - all that happened was that when I first read TROM, the part on
Time Breaking, I immediately recalled those processes.)
In 1956 Over and Under Solids  (my red volume II-554)
in 1956 Before and after Solids (my red volume II -488
in 1957 Then and Now Solids (my red volume III page 33, commands page
8)
... black
case.  Did John also complain of this? Not to
me.  It arose, because he was some what insistent (almost to the
point of rudeness, or of insinuating I was an idiot :-) ) on me
explaining why I was not using TROM. I wished to remain friendly, so
answered, truthfully. (And felt a bit as though I got mud slung in my
face as a result :-) ) The reason (something that happened many years
ago) was concerned with me thinking I was a black case, and associated
frustrations in trying to do Time Breaking.  I referred him to a
very full explanation of the circumstances, which is in one of the
Replays  in the Archives, and the last time I sent it out, I added
something about Black Case to the subject, to make it easier to
find.  
I have now
carefully read his replies to you my dear Ant and wonder why you did not
refer him to someone on this list who doesn't find TROM difficult to
understand?. I referred him to the list. I certainly
do not consider my self competent to decide who on the list is competent
and who is not, which is why I mentioned no names.
Why on earth did
John have David Pelly and yourself as advisers for TROM? 
I would not know, and it is a trifle difficult to
find out at this point in time. My guess is that, so far as I am
concerned, he might have seen that I ran the list for years (though
again, I am a little puzzled, since I contribute rarely to the
list).  So far as David is concerned, I guess it is because he sent
a general cry for help to the list, and David, who is frequently ready to
help, helped.  But it is a bit late to ask that questions, and
perhaps a waste of time to speculate. :-)
All best wishes,
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At 01:23 01-01-2011, David M. Pelly quoted John Boice:
...
>  What the hell does he mean by "NO CHANGE." I'm tired of guessing
...

(This frustration was repeated a number of times in Boice's letter)

When I first read TROM,  I knew exactly what Dennis meant by no 
change.  I was a Scientologist with auditor training, and experience 
auditing others.  I was in comm with Dennis (to some degree - I had 
the feeling he did not fully duplicate me).  It is a long time ago, 
but I made some sort of message to him that he would have to make it 
understandable to non Scientogists.  Dennis was adamant that it was 
fully understandable by any body, including non-Scientologists (he 
also refused to have it translated, and was annoyed when Judith 
edited some of the grammatical and spelling errors).  (Some of this 
is preserved in the very early replays in the TROM list Archives - 
worth digging those up, as they include the time when Dennis was alive)

So that is part of Dennis' legacy to us :-(

Incidentally, just to keep the record straight.  I think time 
breaking is a marvelous procedure and is based on two early 
Scientology processes.  The reason I never went further was that I 
had trouble (you could call it frustration) with time breaking as I 
was a so called "Black Case" - I referred John to this Archive 
material, and a very full reference to it, with very interesting 
associated material by, amongst others, Hacker, which is in the 
Archives in a replay (I sent when I was running the list) where I 
have added to the Replay number something about Black cases (in the 
Subject:).  I doubt if John Boice looked at it before his well worded 
attempt to make me wrong :-)

Dennis either implied, or openly said that nothing other than TROM 
was needed.  It seems that some regard that as "holy truth" and 
unquestionable, thus making their attitude to TROM a religion, based 
on belief rather than results and observation. John Boice, in his 
reaction to finding I was doing "another practice" and had left TROM 
seemed me to reveal religious fanaticism.

All best wishes,

Ant

PS. If there is a competition about feeling guilty about John Boice, 
I think the winner of the "should feel guilty" race would be Dennis 
Stephens, for adamantly refusing to make TROM understandable by 
non-Scientologists  - just my humble opinion (blasphemous to you if 
you are a "true  believer"). 

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Dear Trommer,
It seems that one or more of the group feels a bit guilty about John
Boice's death.
I do not think there is need to.  No body here is perfect.  Be
willing to forgive yourself if you think you made a mistake.  But I
doubt if any one here did.  Of course you may have the belief that
TROM (or Scientology) can solve anything in no time, so long as you can
get them to apply it accurately, and I rather doubt if that is
true.
In case it helps, John Boice wrote to me privately a number of times, and
I will copy here to you all he wrote.
(What I wrote probably does not matter. I tried to be helpful and polite,
and honest)
First time
Is there anybody I can talk to
about TROM? John Boice (I referred him to the list, not
realizing he was on it)
Next time
My name is John Boice. I was
wondering if there was any chance I could email Judith and ask her about
Trom. Thank you. John Boice next time:
Is there anybody on this planet
that's seriously familiar with Trom that I can talk to?!next
time:
ANT!! I just started level 5
IT WORKS Dennis was right next time
Dear Ant. May I ask why you have
little interest in Trom? And are you telling me after all these years you
know of no one involved in Trom. I really don't understand? Didn't Greg
Pickering write you a letter and didn't Dennis send you a tape on July 6,
1994 as indicated on the supplemental lectures? JBnext
time:
Dear Ant. Sounds to me like you
might have run into a secondary. You must have at one time desired to do
Trom from the involvement you put into it. I don't know the details of
course, but It seems to me that if you passed the test of level one, then
you would be capable of timebreaking; and then if you were capable of
timebreaking then you would be capable of accomplishing 2, 3, 4, and 5
since the whole kit and caboodle revolves around a gradient timebreaking
all the way up to a "no-games" condition or, Nirvana. And as
you as-is the bank you would then replenish the importances with RI until
the purpose was achieved. In that way, Dennis has set it up so that it's
reasonable and reachable. To me this is the general route of Trom and the
only reason one would not make it, if indeed he wanted to, would be his
inability to pass the initial test; but even that can be remedied. And
then all one would do is timebreak his past as it showed up en route to
and through level 5. I hardly think fear would justify any avoidance if
one understood the theory. Well, to me, it's well worth the risk! So go
ahead and jump back in and go free like we all basically want to do
anyway; and stop letting the bank dictate your life unknowingly. Since I
decided, I've been continually up the tone scale which, believe me, is
much more fun than being down. Wishing you the best which lies in
Trom.  JBlast time:
As far as C/Sing, Trom is all
that's needed, but it's your choice so go ahead and continue to justify
playing those compulsory games of Hubbards unfinished symphony because
Trom is what he missed and you know it as well as I do but you would
rather not-is it. But if you think I'm going to condone your decision,
you're wrong! Why don't you reread your emails and obnose your tone
level? If you're an auditor you should be able to recognize it's around
I.I. and/or unexpressed resentment. Therefore you need to recant and get
honest and straight about life. You also need to get rid of those around
you who don't want you to go free, but I do, and you know I do, and you
know what I'm saying is true. And so I hope this email will raise your
tone to at least anger which isn't very high but it's higher than where
you were! JB
The first letter was the 22nd October, and the last 6th
November.
Hope this helps any one unhappy with their conduct.
All best wishes,
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[TROM1] BT (Body Thetan) was Re: Possession

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At 16:31 25-12-2010, David M. Pelly wrote:
>I looked up  the definition of body thetans in the tech dictionary 
>and it is not there, at least in my edition.
>Can someone please enlighten me on that subject?
Dear DAvid and fellow TRommers,

The definition I remember when I was on OT3 was: "a thetan* that is 
connected to the body, but not in control of it".  That certainly 
does not cover the many context I have seen the word used in.  I 
consider the subject of low importance, except to the few people who 
experience something they attribute to body thetans (if it is a 
problem, there are simple ways of handling without getting excited 
about it), and the people who have gone effect of the "big fuss" that 
has been made of the subject in Scientology.

You would not find it in the Tech Dict. because in official 
Scientology it was considered confidential, and I have signed 
some  (I hope) worthless paper saying I will not reveal this data to anyone :-)

All best wishes,

Ant

* thetan being a spirit or being, or you could say, a spiritual being 
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Dear TROMmers,

Yes there is a whole Scientology world outside of TROM. What 
"orthodox" TROMmers might call the "alternative" world.
I knew a married couple who co-audited Scientology objectives on each 
other yearly, with good results.  (They were both Briefing Course 
graduates, and "knew their onions")

In the Scientology world, I was "forced" to take a "Dug Rundown" at 
one point before they would allow me to go further. The only part of 
it which gave me nice results was the objectives! I have also got 
good results recently running incidents, Scientology style (parts of 
R3X) on a friend recently - amazing results.

There is a world outside of TROM. (valuable to those who have 
overcome their ARC breaks with Scn and their false data on Scn)

All best wishes,

Ant

PS  R.C. means Roman Catholic to me.


At 01:06 09-11-2010, Colleen Peltomaa wrote:
>I have had 3 years now of engram running using r3x, and I priorly 
>received some CCHs in the Atlanta Church Org, to an EP, and I felt 
>much more in present time as a result.
>
>It would never have occurred to me that I would need to re-do the 
>CCH's.  However, upon R.C.'s insistence, he began delivering them to 
>me anew.  Lo and behold they "bit" like they did not the first time 
>years ago.  I would not have discovered for myself my need for them 
>and might have a reason for why I am not feeling very successful 
>running TROM consistently.

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At 15:19 25-10-2010, John Boice wrote:
>Could and would any Trommer send me their experiences and attitudes 
>about trom in order to give me a better reality on Trom?
Do not forget the TROM ARchives. There is loads of information there 
of experiences and questions answered.
http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
and you can get your password there if you have forgotten it.
All best wishes, Ant Phillips. 

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At 18:22 23-08-2010, dpe...@execulink.com wrote:
...
Dennis often speaks in clever
riddles. 
...
Well that is a positive way of putting it.  I was inclined to say
that Dennis sometimes uses ambiguities and vagueness.  And this is
probably OK in most cases, if you, so to speak, take the bull by the
horns, do something, running things the way that seem right (best)
for you at the time you run them. You are different from everybody
else, so how could you expect one very, very specific sentence (command)
to work for everybody?
He was, after all, writing for everybody (unless he was only
writing for himself :-) ).
When you ask for an explanation on the list, you get what is right for
the person explaining (at the time s/he writes).
Best wishes,
Antony

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Dear Trommer,
Terry Scott died yesterday, Thursday, a little after 06.00 in a hospital
near Southend, Essex, England.
So far as TROM is concerned, Terry was in private communication
with Dennis around the time when Dennis published TROM  
I think Terry may have had a part in the decision to publish it, he
kept private comm lines going with many ex Scns, as far as I could
see.
He was in Scientology. He wrote some articles for IVy, and seemed
to keep quite a correspondence with ex Scientologists before the days of
computer communication.
His work concerned mostly editing house magazines, photography, and
writing reviews of new cameras for photography magazines.  This was in
the days of chemicals, darkrooms, and when the "fiddling" with
pictures was done in the darkroom, not with a computer.
All best wishes,
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[TROM1] Deciding where to start

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Dear Trommer,
Dennis, as you know, was a Scientologist, going way back to very early
Scientology days.
TROM was written by him. 
My contention is that a knowledge of Scientology helps understand TROM.
(Dennis considered a knowledge of Scientology not necessary)
And I believe many on this list have been in contact with
Scientology.
However Scientology has changed over the years. Dennis was in at the very
early days of Scientology, and I think this has influenced his
work.
Scientology's gradation chart (listing the many Scientology processes in
different categories, forming a gradient)  did not come until about
1964. After 64 although you could handle immediately what the preclear
desperately wanted handling, it became normal to "go up the
bridge" (guess it was a lifting bridge which they had left open,
think of Tower Bridge in London, open to let ships through :-)  )
taking the processes of the grades in the order given.
Here is some data from the mid 50s when there was no gradation chart (I
audited for the London Scientology organisation at that time).
Here is how people buying intensives (blocks of 25 hours, covering a
week) were handled when they came for processing in the mid
50s..
At the beginning of the intensive they took what was called in England an
OCA (Oxford Capacity Analysis) test.  This was known in USA as the
APA (American Personality Analysis), in South Africa SAPA and was nearly
the same.
The test had 200 questions, and when it was done, results were displayed
on a chart with 10 columns, each of which recorded a figure from -100 to
+100.
If any point on the first four columns was below 0 the person was given
objective processes until all of the first four columns was above
0.
The first four columns were (highest characteristic first)
Stable - Unstable/Dispersed
Happy - Depressed
Composed - Nervous
Personable - Undependable
Objectives were processes concerned with the physical universe now.
Commonly used were CCH1 to CCH4, which required a certain amount of
expertise, but there were a number of other objective processes.
This was common practice for a number of years.  You were also
assessed for a specific number of 25 hour intensives (depending on the
OCA result) and told that although you could buy less hours, one could
not be sure of stable results if you took under that number of
hours.
Hope this little bit of background data helps.
All best wishes,
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Re: [TROM1] Martin/ re scn

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At 14:39 02-08-2010, David wrote:
>PTS  means Potential Trouble source.   That means a person who 
>causes problems in an environment  where he/ she is.SP  means 
>Suppressive person.


Whoops - incorrect.The PTS causes trouble to those around him/her. He 
is that way because he is connected to a SP (Suppresive person - who 
causes the PTS problems - so many and of such a nature, that PTS 
loses their sense of balance - that's An AntAddition to Scn theory).

That's the theory. In real life there are gradients

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Re: [TROM1] Book Report "A View from the Bridge" by Eric Townsend

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Hi All
  I have studied a lot of Scientology only to find that there is a
lot more to study.  It is hard to get an overview of the subject to
fit the bits and pieces into.
You have said it, brother.  Precisely.  I have been at it for
55 years, and feel like echoing the phrase the Dali Lama said when he
came to Copenhagen and some one (in a very long winded way) asked him how
far he had come on his spiritual journey. Dali Lama's short answer
was:"I am only a beginner"  (  :-) )
There is no "Quicky" way to understand Scientology (unless you
are only out to find something to criticize)

 
In 1995 a Scientologist writing under the nom de plume of Eric Townsend
wrote a 90 page book on the subject that nicely put together the purpose
of the processing at the different levels of the Scientology Bridge from
beginner to Clear and OT, his understanding of what is intended to be
accomplished at each level from the training he had as an auditor and his
impressions of what is actually obtained from his experience as a
PC.  
 
 I found the book very helpful in improving my understand of
Scientology and very interesting in that the changes in point of view
Eric experienced as a Scientology PC are similar to those I am
experiencing from TROM. 
 
I was able to locate the author and get his permission to publish the
book at the tromhelp.com website for everyone to download and read. 
You will find the PDF file on this page

http://tromhelp.com/services
I would certainly recommend this book.
All best wishes,   Ant

 
 
Hope you find it interesting and useful.
 
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At 13:30 03-08-2010, Happy Harry wrote:
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>I don't know if that's your intention, but if you intend to 
>translate the TROM manual into German: the way I would do it is keep 
>the English terms for all the postulates as they are (e.g. to know, 
>to not-know, to be known, to not be known, to sex), that is, not to 
>translate them into German
...

When (in about 1970, rather late) full scale attempts started being 
made to translate Scientology materials into other languages than 
English,  Ron Hubbard, who had a tendency to step into an area, issue 
an edict, then goes his way leaving people to find out as best they 
could how to "do what Ron said", issued the following translation policy:

Scientology words were not to be translated.  Thus, for example, Case 
Supervisor remained Case Supervisor, Withhold remained withhold, ARC 
remained ARC, Service Fac remained Service Fac, etc. etc. It seemed 
to me a good policy, though there was a sort of grey border line as 
to whether some words were or were not "Scientology Technical Terms".

Good Tromming,

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At 10:47 03-08-2010, Jurgen wrote:
>However, I advise you to NOT translate these key words since they 
>have a strict conceptual meaning, so only when you are absolutely 
>sure that it communicates the same concept could I understand the 
>urge to translate this.

As an aside. In running some Scientology processes, I have run across 
some where the command could mean two things  - and running it from 
both "angles" produces changes (benificial).  Translation is a 
problem.  Dennis forbad it (a dog in the manger attitude, in a sense 
- "Dog in the manger" can't eat the hay in the manger, but 
aggressively keeps the horses and cows from getting at it).

All best wishes,

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This raised an eyebrow.  I was referred to a bit of talk which did
not say much, and then a long bit of music (which was not very
interesting)l And it appears to be connected to TROM. How?
Outside of Scientology and TROM, there is a subject called
grounding. I'd express it like "you need your feet firmly on
the earth before you engage in flights of fancy".  In
Scientology this is dealt with by objectives. In TROM it is dealt with by
the early levels..  Rush off too soon into the later levels of
Scientology or TROM, and the results can be more or less
disastrous.
You can perhaps put it this way. Grounding involves ground, which
could be earth, which could be over filled with water, giving
mud.  So this stuck in the mud Scientologist asks: "Has
all this recent talk on the list about know produced anything valuable in
life, meaning relationship to others, not just an '"I feel
good'?"
This stuck in the mud Scientologist says: "A process should produce
a cognition, an increased understanding, not something that has to be
discussed on the net - if it is not satisfactorily understood, then it
needs running more (or a look at lower levels), not
discussing"
All best wishes,
Ant.
PS.  I speculate as to whether Slim has to ask Jurgen to post
something, because Slim has been put on moderate mode for posting off
topic emails.  This list is the first TROM list, started in 1994
(one of the oldest lists ).  Lets keep it on topic. Let Slim take
responsibility for his own postings and relationship to the list and list
owner, I suggest, Jurgen. Do not be his secretary.

At 12:59 11-07-2010, jurgen_t...@hotmai wrote:
A message from Slim...
From: Slim

Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 19:44
To: Jurgen 
Subject: Fwd: a message to the list
 Hi Jurgen 
Please forward this message to the TROM list . 

Thanks
Slim 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i92wMb17KO8&feature=channel
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[TROM1] end up completely out of agreement was: Re: pervasion of infinite space

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At 17:21 25-01-2010, Mickel wrote:
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>Has Anyone considered that in doing this mind or spiritual work how far you
>can actually go before you end up completely out of agreement with people
>around you.

for various reasons (not very important) I am not a great fan of 
Geoffrey Filbert, author of Excalibur Revisited.  But one thing he 
did write which struck me was to the effect that if you were on a 
spiritual path, you should not reckon to retain friends (I cant 
remember the exact quote).

I very much sympathise /understand your viewpoint.  Another friend 
wrote me in a mail that he did not feel greatly inclined to explain 
to people things which were perfectly obvious to him.  Another aspect 
- a similar coin.

I've never had a television, and it is long since I went to the cinema.

On the other hand, I can help people (without their sharing my 
"higher" :-) reality)  and I need others help in many things (aging 
people,. and fumble fingered people, tend to).

All best wishes,

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Re: [TROM1] A Replay

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At 16:06 06-08-2009, David Pelly wrote:
>The archives are somewhat confusing to me.

Yes, they need a bit of understanding. Familiarity may breed contempt 
(a rather poor saying), but familiarity certainly produces 
understanding - and the archives contain a good deal of TROM 
viewpoints. Amongst other things, why I did not continue with TROM 
(as self auditing), and comments etc. at the time of Dennis' death


>I only see the list go to 2004.

Correct. I was running the list at that time, and we changed the list 
server from one that was called Majordomo, to the present Mailman. 
Both of which I got the use of free (donation of Flemming Funch), 
neither of which included adverts (I have a "button" on adverts - I 
think offering free service in return for adverts of things that 
might be inferior products is not a good trend in present day society).

>Are there earlier archives?

No (at least so far as I know). Majordomo's archive were far worse. 
If you wanted them, you had to download a whole month :-(

However, I repeated the Replays about five to ten times, (and 
actually did add two or three of later years TROM list contributions) 
so you find all replays in the present Archives two or three times, I 
think. So the replays contain some (many) of the earliest TROM list 
items, which I got when I was not yet on Internet, but receiving them 
through an amateur network called FIDO, and if I remember correctly 
using DOS and not Windows.

I think Pru gets a big commendation star, for investigating the 
Archives and resending a relevant Replay. That one contains things 
sent to the first TROM list (on Internet) but received by me on FIDO 
with DOS operative system, which is why they look a bit "old fashioned" :-)

All best wishes,

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[TROM1] About TROM Replays

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At 13:10 04-08-2009, private mail, some one wrote me (about TROM
list):
And I  do not know what you
mean by Replays?
And sending  what out weekly? 
That sort of shocked me.  The Replays, to my mind, are a valuable
part of TROM, though they need a wealth of editing (including really
compilation), which I never got round to doing.  In them are answers
to questions new TROMmers often ask.
Briefly, you find them in this lis'ts Archives, which you are monthly
notified of your personal password to, and how you get there. 

http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/  I think.
So here is the long story.
In 1955 I was student on the evening Scientology professional auditor
course and Dennis Stephens was director of Training (but present only in
the day time).  His wife Anne Walker was Registrar.  I do not
think we ever talked, but we knew of each other.  I suppose that
forms a bit higher ARC when TROM came to be published, because he commed
to me quite a bit before his death (which is recorded in the
Replays)
When TROM came to be published, I was in some comm with him.  He had
bad eyesight so did not write letters, but sent cassette tapes.  The
recent find of cassette tapes might be his private comm to
friends.
In the 90's TROM was published, and Max Sandor set up a mailing list in
about 1994 for it (Max had another name then, which I forget, something
like Steingruber).  He was born in East German, and his mother
smuggled him out when he was a babe in arms, so far as I remember. 
The list Max ran was one he paid quite a high price for - it was the
early days of Internet - there were no free lists..   After
some time of quite lively discussion (a deal of which is in the Archives
of this list, as replays) the list went silent.  Probably it was
silent for a year.
I wrote to Max and asked if I could take it over.  He seemed
surprised that it still existed.  But agreed to me taking it
over.  He also set it up  (I think at that time) on a list
server which he and Flemming Funch had set up.  (which probably
saved him a lot of money).  So I ran the list, under software called
Majordomo.
It had been dead (no one originating) for about a year, so how was I (not
a TROMMER) to get life in it?  I decided to resend earlier mails to
the list.  Once a week, at the weekend, when I thought it possibly
more likely that the majority had more time to read it.  And I
called them REPLAYS.  A little life came onto the list.  And
when I came to the end of what had been sent out earlier, I started
again, but recompiling them (which is why they now have a letter
"B" before the number ), and to some degree adding later
material. There did come life into the list.
But was not a TROMMER, I tried TROM but gave it up (and an account of
why, with interesting comments, is contained in a Replay, which after the
number has, in later Replays, a subtitle concerning Black cases, or Black
Fields).  And I really wanted to stop running the list, but no one
would take over,. So I must have gone on for over ten years. At a point,
Flemming who "owned" the list, change the software over to the
present Mailman, which is a lot better - you can change your own address,
and the Archives are _much_ better (though not perfect).
At last Pete McLaughlin, offered to take over, and I was so glad, because
I was not a TROMmer. When TROM first came out, and I read (some) of it, I
was overjoyed with time breaking, since it seemed to use data from
"forgotten" Scientology processes, I think called "before
and after solids" and "then and now solids" (not sure of
the names now).  Because of that I did not want TROM to die, also
because good results were reported from time to time.
Rather to my surprise Peter stopped sending replays, which I felt was a
pity, as they contained answers to questions people were continually
asking, but I assumed that people would look in the Archives.  
But now I find a TROMMER not aware of the Replays, and I was assuming
that people were looking there  (in the Archives) for
answers.
So that is the story.
All best wishes,
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At 22:57 02-08-2009, David Pelly wrote:
>Yes,  I think you did miss something.
>I said  when I got into it,  a few weeks a go, ...

Hi David, OK, I missed that.  It seems the basic data is to handle 
mass before going into significance (the order TROM levels are in), 
which got me wondering .  My thought was that if you had done level 2 
as Dennis stated, there would not be need for questions on level 
4.  But theory and practice are two different things. I withdraw as 
gracefully as possible in the circumstances. :-)

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At 18:41 02-08-2009, David Pelly wrote:
>SO HERE IS WHAT I WILL DO:
>
>I will put my case on the table. for group " in class"  handling.

I may have missed something here amongst the advice given.

There has been the advice to run lots of RI, which seems very 
reasonable to me.  But what puzzles me is talk of level 4 of TROM, 
when I have not seen any talk of having run all those incidents on 
time breaking.

All best wishes,

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At 03:13 03-05-2009, jurgen_t...@hotmail.com wrote:
>The problem with his presentation are the associations in the text 
>to scientology terms and concepts. And since the first part is just 
>repeating Trom I would leave this article alone and forget it. Stick 
>to the TROM manual and you will get there.

This is not a Scientology list, and perhaps not the best place to 
discuss "LRH's failure".  He had possibly more successes than 
failures.  After 55 years associated with Scientology, I still find 
new things with regard to both his successes and failures. But they 
do not belong on a TROM list.

All best wishes,

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At 03:33 21-03-2009, Pete McLaughlin wrote:
>  Is there anyone you know who can recommend a good Private Investigator?

In Denmark, there is more than one on line telephone book.  I used it 
to trace down some one I was asked about.  Has some net person tried 
that in Australia??
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[TROM1] IVy magazine coming in pdf format - and a free one already available.

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Dear TROMmer,

As most of you know I ran this TROM list for years, from the time it 
was empty for months on end, to when Pete McLaughlin took it over recently.

Now I have dropped another hat - IVy magazine, which I have run since 1991.

IVy (International Viewpoints), the magazine that have been covering 
affairs within the wider Scientology and ex Scientology world, will 
be coming out from February 2009, in pdf format, sent to subscribers 
by Internet.

You can have details, and already get a free issue sent to you, by going to:

http://www.ivymag.org/cyberivy/intro.htm

The Free issue includes an article sent out in IVy 2 in 1991, by the 
man who I knew of at that time as Ron's butler, about Ron. The 
subscription is lower than to the old magazine which was sent out to 
subscribers by post in black and white.

So click the above link and get yourself a copy of the magazine.

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