Re: [TROM1] Kindle version of Manual plus additions
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org My thought was - even if you assume Dennis has everything as correct as the laws of mathematics (which I'm not an expert enough to verify) - you still need to create new math text books every now and then to meet the needs of the next generation of students, to express math in terms people can grasp, and to find better ways to teach math. That doesn't mean you throw out the works of the mathematicians who discovered it all. You preserve them for posterity and to help researchers. But imagine if we were still using the same math text books the Romans had! On 2/5/2013 10:33 PM, Aarre Peltomaa wrote: * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org This should have more correctly been sent to Glen, rather than Paul, Thanks, Aarre On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Aarre Peltomaa peltomaa.aa...@gmail.com mailto:peltomaa.aa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Paul, Aarre On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Paul Tipon pti...@proftitleserv.com mailto:pti...@proftitleserv.com wrote: * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org mailto:trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Glen, Very well put. I couldn't agree more. Paul, Level 5 in progress On Feb 5, 2013, at 8:05 AM, trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org mailto:trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org wrote: Even if one assumes that there was one absolutely right way to heal or reach enlightenment. And that Dennis had worked this out perfectly, in a way that would work the same way for every human being. And that he expressed his ideas in the clearest, most easily understandable way. And that the editors did the best possible job of presenting this material. (All of which are highly doubtful assumptions in any subject or written document.) You will always be left with the fact that every human being will always interpret and understand the material in a slightly different way. What's more, one cannot own the material without developing one's unique understanding of it, an understanding that either works for them or doesn't. No truly literal duplication of anything exists and if it did, it would be a mental straightjacket (IMHO). Don't believe me? Look at how many thousands if not millions of interpretations there are of any religious scripture like the Bible or the Buddhist doctrines. Everything evolves.And, just like every Christian today picks and chooses bits of the Bible that support their personal ideas and rejects the rest, TROM will also have to evolve with some flexibility or wither. ' I thought about this exactly the same way over a year ago, and also observed that; I still think that the original document should be as close to original source as possible, and then simpler (average guy) editions could exist also, as long as their authorship/source is stated bluntly in the beginning. Then individuals could slightly adjust the data as you stated in their application. This slight alteration insures the perpetuation of the work; According to LRH, to persist, there must be a slight alteration. A total duplication (AS - ISness) would theoretically cause a vanishment. The original document should be pristine however, so that wanderers could always come back to 'more' puritanical application when needed and wanted. Perhaps, allowing a slight alteration in application to fit more complementarily with each individual's postulate set quirks would allow the techniques to persist through time for a long, long, time.' Aarre Peltomaa p.s. does this sound correct at all ? So, it's worth preserving Dennis's original intent. But that may not be the best presentation to reach and help the most people. Many people, especially those who haven't studied Scientology (and fewer people do all the time) would find the TROM materials that currently exist to be gobbledygook. The person who can find a way to express them in a way that is clear and appealing to the average person will take this material a big step forward. (And maybe the person who subjects them to rigorous double-blind testing to see how well they actually work for most people will
Re: [TROM1] Kindle version of Manual plus additions
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Even if one assumes that there was one absolutely right way to heal or reach enlightenment. And that Dennis had worked this out perfectly, in a way that would work the same way for every human being. And that he expressed his ideas in the clearest, most easily understandable way. And that the editors did the best possible job of presenting this material. (All of which are highly doubtful assumptions in any subject or written document.) You will always be left with the fact that every human being will always interpret and understand the material in a slightly different way. What's more, one cannot own the material without developing one's unique understanding of it, an understanding that either works for them or doesn't. No truly literal duplication of anything exists and if it did, it would be a mental straightjacket (IMHO). Don't believe me? Look at how many thousands if not millions of interpretations there are of any religious scripture like the Bible or the Buddhist doctrines. Everything evolves. And, just like every Christian today picks and chooses bits of the Bible that support their personal ideas and rejects the rest, TROM will also have to evolve with some flexibility or wither. So, it's worth preserving Dennis's original intent. But that may not be the best presentation to reach and help the most people. Many people, especially those who haven't studied Scientology (and fewer people do all the time) would find the TROM materials that currently exist to be gobbledygook. The person who can find a way to express them in a way that is clear and appealing to the average person will take this material a big step forward. (And maybe the person who subjects them to rigorous double-blind testing to see how well they actually work for most people will perform the biggest service of all.) On 2/3/2013 2:43 PM, David Pelly wrote: * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Pete, Thank you for the explanation. But distinguishing whose words are whose in an editing, is basic literary integrity or editing integrity. And just because Greg and Judith did not do it, does not mean it is the right thing to do. Three wrongs do not make a right. You should also include an explanation that TROM went through two previous edits prior to yours, and that you have no idea of whose words are whose, if you in deed don't. One editing by Greg and another by Judith. (But it just occurred to me to ask: are there not tapes for the record?) At least Judith, that I know of, became totally pissed off and disdainful of TROM and gave up. That likely gives some indication as to the difficulty of her case and TROMs inability to help her with her case. Similar to my situation. It is possible that if she would of been helped by TROM, she might of acquired some extra free theta units and did more work and did the editing properly. It is difficult to think of much when the biggest issue is the size and severity of one's case and the desperate need to deal with it. It is a simple matter of priority. Like it has been said, when you are up to your ass in alligators it is hard to think that the main goal is to drain the swamp. A person has to come up the tone scale and theta scale to think and function with full integrity. In this case it is literary integrity or editing integrity. I suspect that Greg also became disdainful too. I know a number of others who did likewise. David On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 1:49 AM, Pete Mclaughlin pete_mclaughlin_93...@yahoo.com mailto:pete_mclaughlin_93...@yahoo.com wrote: * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org mailto:trom@lists.newciv.org Hi David Whose words are whose? An excellent question. In 1979 Denis gave his notes to Greg Pickering to write TROM. Those notes do not exist to check how accurately Greg did the job. Many people complained that the book was hard to understand and needed an index. Greg quit as the distributor of TROM around 1990 so Dennis turned over Australian distribution to Judith Anderson. Judith responded to concerns about spelling and grammar errors in TROM by editing the text, adding her own interpretation of how to run TROM to the end of the Manual as an appendix and who knows what else as no editing notes were made and the original 1979 is gone or at least I have never seen a copy. The TROM manual at the Freezone site is the one I started with and is the Judith Anderson edition. So if anyone is serious about getting the original version and verifying that none of the tech has been lost you need to contact Greg and get Dennis' notes or at least a copy of Greg's original 1979 version of the
Re: [TROM1] Kindle version of Manual plus additions
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Glen Well said and I agree. My objective was to apply English 101 standards to Dennis' sentences and paragraphs and I have achieved that with the Kindle version. Someone else can delete the Scientology references if they choose. You make the important point that If TROM is to grow then people who understand it will do research based on a TROM foundation and report the results. Dennis proposes using TROM to keep the body alive I definitely is possible. Also if mass is generated by games play and composed only of postulates then how can we make new mass or delete old mass at will? Sincerely Pete On Feb 5, 2013, at 7:19 AM, Glen Strathy gstra...@cogeco.ca wrote: * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Even if one assumes that there was one absolutely right way to heal or reach enlightenment. And that Dennis had worked this out perfectly, in a way that would work the same way for every human being. And that he expressed his ideas in the clearest, most easily understandable way. And that the editors did the best possible job of presenting this material. (All of which are highly doubtful assumptions in any subject or written document.) You will always be left with the fact that every human being will always interpret and understand the material in a slightly different way. What's more, one cannot own the material without developing one's unique understanding of it, an understanding that either works for them or doesn't. No truly literal duplication of anything exists and if it did, it would be a mental straightjacket (IMHO). Don't believe me? Look at how many thousands if not millions of interpretations there are of any religious scripture like the Bible or the Buddhist doctrines. Everything evolves. And, just like every Christian today picks and chooses bits of the Bible that support their personal ideas and rejects the rest, TROM will also have to evolve with some flexibility or wither. So, it's worth preserving Dennis's original intent. But that may not be the best presentation to reach and help the most people. Many people, especially those who haven't studied Scientology (and fewer people do all the time) would find the TROM materials that currently exist to be gobbledygook. The person who can find a way to express them in a way that is clear and appealing to the average person will take this material a big step forward. (And maybe the person who subjects them to rigorous double-blind testing to see how well they actually work for most people will perform the biggest service of all.) ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] Kindle version of Manual plus additions
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Paul, Aarre On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Paul Tipon pti...@proftitleserv.comwrote: * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Glen, Very well put. I couldn't agree more. Paul, Level 5 in progress On Feb 5, 2013, at 8:05 AM, trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org wrote: Even if one assumes that there was one absolutely right way to heal or reach enlightenment. And that Dennis had worked this out perfectly, in a way that would work the same way for every human being. And that he expressed his ideas in the clearest, most easily understandable way. And that the editors did the best possible job of presenting this material. (All of which are highly doubtful assumptions in any subject or written document.) You will always be left with the fact that every human being will always interpret and understand the material in a slightly different way. What's more, one cannot own the material without developing one's unique understanding of it, an understanding that either works for them or doesn't. No truly literal duplication of anything exists and if it did, it would be a mental straightjacket (IMHO). Don't believe me? Look at how many thousands if not millions of interpretations there are of any religious scripture like the Bible or the Buddhist doctrines. Everything evolves. And, just like every Christian today picks and chooses bits of the Bible that support their personal ideas and rejects the rest, TROM will also have to evolve with some flexibility or wither. ' I thought about this exactly the same way over a year ago, and also observed that; I still think that the original document should be as close to original source as possible, and then simpler (average guy) editions could exist also, as long as their authorship/source is stated bluntly in the beginning. Then individuals could slightly adjust the data as you stated in their application. This slight alteration insures the perpetuation of the work; According to LRH, to persist, there must be a slight alteration. A total duplication (AS - ISness) would theoretically cause a vanishment. The original document should be pristine however, so that wanderers could always come back to 'more' puritanical application when needed and wanted. Perhaps, allowing a slight alteration in application to fit more complementarily with each individual's postulate set quirks would allow the techniques to persist through time for a long, long, time.' Aarre Peltomaa p.s. does this sound correct at all ? So, it's worth preserving Dennis's original intent. But that may not be the best presentation to reach and help the most people. Many people, especially those who haven't studied Scientology (and fewer people do all the time) would find the TROM materials that currently exist to be gobbledygook. The person who can find a way to express them in a way that is clear and appealing to the average person will take this material a big step forward. (And maybe the person who subjects them to rigorous double-blind testing to see how well they actually work for most people will perform the biggest service of all.) __**_ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/**mailman/listinfo/tromhttp://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] Kindle version of Manual plus additions
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org This should have more correctly been sent to Glen, rather than Paul, Thanks, Aarre On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Aarre Peltomaa peltomaa.aa...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Paul, Aarre On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Paul Tipon pti...@proftitleserv.comwrote: * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Glen, Very well put. I couldn't agree more. Paul, Level 5 in progress On Feb 5, 2013, at 8:05 AM, trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org wrote: Even if one assumes that there was one absolutely right way to heal or reach enlightenment. And that Dennis had worked this out perfectly, in a way that would work the same way for every human being. And that he expressed his ideas in the clearest, most easily understandable way. And that the editors did the best possible job of presenting this material. (All of which are highly doubtful assumptions in any subject or written document.) You will always be left with the fact that every human being will always interpret and understand the material in a slightly different way. What's more, one cannot own the material without developing one's unique understanding of it, an understanding that either works for them or doesn't. No truly literal duplication of anything exists and if it did, it would be a mental straightjacket (IMHO). Don't believe me? Look at how many thousands if not millions of interpretations there are of any religious scripture like the Bible or the Buddhist doctrines. Everything evolves. And, just like every Christian today picks and chooses bits of the Bible that support their personal ideas and rejects the rest, TROM will also have to evolve with some flexibility or wither. ' I thought about this exactly the same way over a year ago, and also observed that; I still think that the original document should be as close to original source as possible, and then simpler (average guy) editions could exist also, as long as their authorship/source is stated bluntly in the beginning. Then individuals could slightly adjust the data as you stated in their application. This slight alteration insures the perpetuation of the work; According to LRH, to persist, there must be a slight alteration. A total duplication (AS - ISness) would theoretically cause a vanishment. The original document should be pristine however, so that wanderers could always come back to 'more' puritanical application when needed and wanted. Perhaps, allowing a slight alteration in application to fit more complementarily with each individual's postulate set quirks would allow the techniques to persist through time for a long, long, time.' Aarre Peltomaa p.s. does this sound correct at all ? So, it's worth preserving Dennis's original intent. But that may not be the best presentation to reach and help the most people. Many people, especially those who haven't studied Scientology (and fewer people do all the time) would find the TROM materials that currently exist to be gobbledygook. The person who can find a way to express them in a way that is clear and appealing to the average person will take this material a big step forward. (And maybe the person who subjects them to rigorous double-blind testing to see how well they actually work for most people will perform the biggest service of all.) __**_ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/**mailman/listinfo/tromhttp://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] Kindle version of Manual plus additions
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi David Have you tried reading the kindle version? I would be really pleased if it helped you understand and apply TROM. Sincerely Pete On Feb 3, 2013, at 11:43 AM, David Pelly david.pe...@gmail.com wrote: * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Pete, Thank you for the explanation. But distinguishing whose words are whose in an editing, is basic literary integrity or editing integrity. And just because Greg and Judith did not do it, does not mean it is the right thing to do. Three wrongs do not make a right. You should also include an explanation that TROM went through two previous edits prior to yours, and that you have no idea of whose words are whose, if you in deed don't. One editing by Greg and another by Judith. (But it just occurred to me to ask: are there not tapes for the record?) At least Judith, that I know of, became totally pissed off and disdainful of TROM and gave up. That likely gives some indication as to the difficulty of her case and TROMs inability to help her with her case. Similar to my situation. It is possible that if she would of been helped by TROM, she might of acquired some extra free theta units and did more work and did the editing properly. It is difficult to think of much when the biggest issue is the size and severity of one's case and the desperate need to deal with it. It is a simple matter of priority. Like it has been said, when you are up to your ass in alligators it is hard to think that the main goal is to drain the swamp. A person has to come up the tone scale and theta scale to think and function with full integrity. In this case it is literary integrity or editing integrity. I suspect that Greg also became disdainful too. I know a number of others who did likewise. David On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 1:49 AM, Pete Mclaughlin pete_mclaughlin_93...@yahoo.com wrote: * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi David Whose words are whose? An excellent question. In 1979 Denis gave his notes to Greg Pickering to write TROM. Those notes do not exist to check how accurately Greg did the job. Many people complained that the book was hard to understand and needed an index. Greg quit as the distributor of TROM around 1990 so Dennis turned over Australian distribution to Judith Anderson. Judith responded to concerns about spelling and grammar errors in TROM by editing the text, adding her own interpretation of how to run TROM to the end of the Manual as an appendix and who knows what else as no editing notes were made and the original 1979 is gone or at least I have never seen a copy. The TROM manual at the Freezone site is the one I started with and is the Judith Anderson edition. So if anyone is serious about getting the original version and verifying that none of the tech has been lost you need to contact Greg and get Dennis' notes or at least a copy of Greg's original 1979 version of the manual. Thanks for asking David, everyone should be aware of what version of TROM they are studying. Sincerely Pete On Feb 2, 2013, at 7:19 PM, David Pelly david.pe...@gmail.com wrote: * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org The right thing to do is to do like Aarre said. There has to be some sort of a distinction in whose words are whose. David On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Aarre Peltomaa peltomaa.aa...@gmail.com wrote: * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Aarre Peltomaa peltomaa.aa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Pete, I still think that a short editing note won't be that much distraction, and is worth it. Or you could change the font each time you put in an inclusion. With a reality factor in the beginning explaining the font change, that wouldn't be too distracting. What do the others think about this ? Aarre Peltomaa On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Pete Mclaughlin pete_mclaughlin_93...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Aarre and Roberto All you need to do to see the changes is open up the kindle version in one window and open up the old version in a second window and read them. Part of my purpose in doing the editing was to eliminate all the distractions that the bad grammar imposed on the reader. It would be counter productive to now add in the distractions of editing notes. Sincerely Pete On Jan 31, 2013, at 4:30 PM, Aarre Peltomaa peltomaa.aa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Pete, I finally got Kindle working and downloaded the manual and your additions to my desktop; wonderful ! The
Re: [TROM1] Kindle version of Manual plus additions
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org In order for me to get back into TROM, I would have to audit out the engrams and GPMs and ARCX that I acquired from TROM and the number of so called people who pretended to be doing well and pretended to be experts in TROM, that pissed me off when I was in deep despair and deep suffering from being stuck in crap and case and needed assistance and didn't get any, other than being told to go and read the archives or something stupid like that. That could take a year by itself. :) David On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 5:12 PM, Pete Mclaughlin pete_mclaughlin_93...@yahoo.com wrote: * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi David Have you tried reading the kindle version? I would be really pleased if it helped you understand and apply TROM. Sincerely Pete On Feb 3, 2013, at 11:43 AM, David Pelly david.pe...@gmail.com wrote: * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Pete, Thank you for the explanation. But distinguishing whose words are whose in an editing, is basic literary integrity or editing integrity. And just because Greg and Judith did not do it, does not mean it is the right thing to do. Three wrongs do not make a right. You should also include an explanation that TROM went through two previous edits prior to yours, and that you have no idea of whose words are whose, if you in deed don't. One editing by Greg and another by Judith. (But it just occurred to me to ask: are there not tapes for the record?) At least Judith, that I know of, became totally pissed off and disdainful of TROM and gave up. That likely gives some indication as to the difficulty of her case and TROMs inability to help her with her case. Similar to my situation. It is possible that if she would of been helped by TROM, she might of acquired some extra free theta units and did more work and did the editing properly. It is difficult to think of much when the biggest issue is the size and severity of one's case and the desperate need to deal with it. It is a simple matter of priority. Like it has been said, when you are up to your ass in alligators it is hard to think that the main goal is to drain the swamp. A person has to come up the tone scale and theta scale to think and function with full integrity. In this case it is literary integrity or editing integrity. I suspect that Greg also became disdainful too. I know a number of others who did likewise. David On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 1:49 AM, Pete Mclaughlin pete_mclaughlin_93...@yahoo.com wrote: * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi David Whose words are whose? An excellent question. In 1979 Denis gave his notes to Greg Pickering to write TROM. Those notes do not exist to check how accurately Greg did the job. Many people complained that the book was hard to understand and needed an index. Greg quit as the distributor of TROM around 1990 so Dennis turned over Australian distribution to Judith Anderson. Judith responded to concerns about spelling and grammar errors in TROM by editing the text, adding her own interpretation of how to run TROM to the end of the Manual as an appendix and who knows what else as no editing notes were made and the original 1979 is gone or at least I have never seen a copy. The TROM manual at the Freezone site is the one I started with and is the Judith Anderson edition. So if anyone is serious about getting the original version and verifying that none of the tech has been lost you need to contact Greg and get Dennis' notes or at least a copy of Greg's original 1979 version of the manual. Thanks for asking David, everyone should be aware of what version of TROM they are studying. Sincerely Pete On Feb 2, 2013, at 7:19 PM, David Pelly david.pe...@gmail.com wrote: * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org The right thing to do is to do like Aarre said. There has to be some sort of a distinction in whose words are whose. David On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Aarre Peltomaa peltomaa.aa...@gmail.comwrote: * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Aarre Peltomaa peltomaa.aa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Pete, I still think that a short editing note won't be that much distraction, and is worth it. Or you could change the font each time you put in an inclusion. With a reality factor in the beginning explaining the font change, that wouldn't be too distracting. What do the others think about this ? Aarre Peltomaa On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Pete Mclaughlin pete_mclaughlin_93...@yahoo.com wrote:
Re: [TROM1] Kindle version of Manual plus additions
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi David I would like to acknowledge that you have bypassed charge there. Sincerely Pete On Feb 3, 2013, at 3:36 PM, David Pelly david.pe...@gmail.com wrote: * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org In order for me to get back into TROM, I would have to audit out the engrams and GPMs and ARCX that I acquired from TROM and the number of so called people who pretended to be doing well and pretended to be experts in TROM, that pissed me off when I was in deep despair and deep suffering from being stuck in crap and case and needed assistance and didn't get any, other than being told to go and read the archives or something stupid like that. That could take a year by itself. :) David On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 5:12 PM, Pete Mclaughlin pete_mclaughlin_93...@yahoo.com wrote: * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi David Have you tried reading the kindle version? I would be really pleased if it helped you understand and apply TROM. Sincerely Pete On Feb 3, 2013, at 11:43 AM, David Pelly david.pe...@gmail.com wrote: * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Pete, Thank you for the explanation. But distinguishing whose words are whose in an editing, is basic literary integrity or editing integrity. And just because Greg and Judith did not do it, does not mean it is the right thing to do. Three wrongs do not make a right. You should also include an explanation that TROM went through two previous edits prior to yours, and that you have no idea of whose words are whose, if you in deed don't. One editing by Greg and another by Judith. (But it just occurred to me to ask: are there not tapes for the record?) At least Judith, that I know of, became totally pissed off and disdainful of TROM and gave up. That likely gives some indication as to the difficulty of her case and TROMs inability to help her with her case. Similar to my situation. It is possible that if she would of been helped by TROM, she might of acquired some extra free theta units and did more work and did the editing properly. It is difficult to think of much when the biggest issue is the size and severity of one's case and the desperate need to deal with it. It is a simple matter of priority. Like it has been said, when you are up to your ass in alligators it is hard to think that the main goal is to drain the swamp. A person has to come up the tone scale and theta scale to think and function with full integrity. In this case it is literary integrity or editing integrity. I suspect that Greg also became disdainful too. I know a number of others who did likewise. David On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 1:49 AM, Pete Mclaughlin pete_mclaughlin_93...@yahoo.com wrote: * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi David Whose words are whose? An excellent question. In 1979 Denis gave his notes to Greg Pickering to write TROM. Those notes do not exist to check how accurately Greg did the job. Many people complained that the book was hard to understand and needed an index. Greg quit as the distributor of TROM around 1990 so Dennis turned over Australian distribution to Judith Anderson. Judith responded to concerns about spelling and grammar errors in TROM by editing the text, adding her own interpretation of how to run TROM to the end of the Manual as an appendix and who knows what else as no editing notes were made and the original 1979 is gone or at least I have never seen a copy. The TROM manual at the Freezone site is the one I started with and is the Judith Anderson edition. So if anyone is serious about getting the original version and verifying that none of the tech has been lost you need to contact Greg and get Dennis' notes or at least a copy of Greg's original 1979 version of the manual. Thanks for asking David, everyone should be aware of what version of TROM they are studying. Sincerely Pete On Feb 2, 2013, at 7:19 PM, David Pelly david.pe...@gmail.com wrote: * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org The right thing to do is to do like Aarre said. There has to be some sort of a distinction in whose words are whose. David On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Aarre Peltomaa peltomaa.aa...@gmail.com wrote: * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Aarre Peltomaa peltomaa.aa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Pete, I still think that a short editing
Re: [TROM1] Kindle version of Manual plus additions
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Aarre Peltomaa peltomaa.aa...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Pete, I still think that a short editing note won't be that much distraction, and is worth it. Or you could change the font each time you put in an inclusion. With a reality factor in the beginning explaining the font change, that wouldn't be too distracting. What do the others think about this ? Aarre Peltomaa On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Pete Mclaughlin pete_mclaughlin_93...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Aarre and Roberto All you need to do to see the changes is open up the kindle version in one window and open up the old version in a second window and read them. Part of my purpose in doing the editing was to eliminate all the distractions that the bad grammar imposed on the reader. It would be counter productive to now add in the distractions of editing notes. Sincerely Pete On Jan 31, 2013, at 4:30 PM, Aarre Peltomaa peltomaa.aa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Pete, I finally got Kindle working and downloaded the manual and your additions to my desktop; wonderful ! The fonts and bolded parts are easy to read, and large enough type size. It is arranged very nicely. The only thing that I can ask at cursory glance is that any additions that you put in, such as the charts, be marked as added by you, and not in the original manual. This way a person will know what was written by Dennis, and what was written by you. This annotation should also apply to any additional sections, chapters, explanations, etc., that you have added. I think this is a very important point, and I welcome input from other TROMers about this. Thanks very much for this work, Aarre Peltomaa ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] Kindle version of Manual plus additions
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org The right thing to do is to do like Aarre said. There has to be some sort of a distinction in whose words are whose. David On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Aarre Peltomaa peltomaa.aa...@gmail.comwrote: * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Aarre Peltomaa peltomaa.aa...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Pete, I still think that a short editing note won't be that much distraction, and is worth it. Or you could change the font each time you put in an inclusion. With a reality factor in the beginning explaining the font change, that wouldn't be too distracting. What do the others think about this ? Aarre Peltomaa On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Pete Mclaughlin pete_mclaughlin_93...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Aarre and Roberto All you need to do to see the changes is open up the kindle version in one window and open up the old version in a second window and read them. Part of my purpose in doing the editing was to eliminate all the distractions that the bad grammar imposed on the reader. It would be counter productive to now add in the distractions of editing notes. Sincerely Pete On Jan 31, 2013, at 4:30 PM, Aarre Peltomaa peltomaa.aa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Pete, I finally got Kindle working and downloaded the manual and your additions to my desktop; wonderful ! The fonts and bolded parts are easy to read, and large enough type size. It is arranged very nicely. The only thing that I can ask at cursory glance is that any additions that you put in, such as the charts, be marked as added by you, and not in the original manual. This way a person will know what was written by Dennis, and what was written by you. This annotation should also apply to any additional sections, chapters, explanations, etc., that you have added. I think this is a very important point, and I welcome input from other TROMers about this. Thanks very much for this work, Aarre Peltomaa ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] Kindle version of Manual plus additions
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi David Whose words are whose? An excellent question. In 1979 Denis gave his notes to Greg Pickering to write TROM. Those notes do not exist to check how accurately Greg did the job. Many people complained that the book was hard to understand and needed an index. Greg quit as the distributor of TROM around 1990 so Dennis turned over Australian distribution to Judith Anderson. Judith responded to concerns about spelling and grammar errors in TROM by editing the text, adding her own interpretation of how to run TROM to the end of the Manual as an appendix and who knows what else as no editing notes were made and the original 1979 is gone or at least I have never seen a copy. The TROM manual at the Freezone site is the one I started with and is the Judith Anderson edition. So if anyone is serious about getting the original version and verifying that none of the tech has been lost you need to contact Greg and get Dennis' notes or at least a copy of Greg's original 1979 version of the manual. Thanks for asking David, everyone should be aware of what version of TROM they are studying. Sincerely Pete On Feb 2, 2013, at 7:19 PM, David Pelly david.pe...@gmail.com wrote: * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org The right thing to do is to do like Aarre said. There has to be some sort of a distinction in whose words are whose. David On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Aarre Peltomaa peltomaa.aa...@gmail.com wrote: * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Aarre Peltomaa peltomaa.aa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Pete, I still think that a short editing note won't be that much distraction, and is worth it. Or you could change the font each time you put in an inclusion. With a reality factor in the beginning explaining the font change, that wouldn't be too distracting. What do the others think about this ? Aarre Peltomaa On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Pete Mclaughlin pete_mclaughlin_93...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Aarre and Roberto All you need to do to see the changes is open up the kindle version in one window and open up the old version in a second window and read them. Part of my purpose in doing the editing was to eliminate all the distractions that the bad grammar imposed on the reader. It would be counter productive to now add in the distractions of editing notes. Sincerely Pete On Jan 31, 2013, at 4:30 PM, Aarre Peltomaa peltomaa.aa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Pete, I finally got Kindle working and downloaded the manual and your additions to my desktop; wonderful ! The fonts and bolded parts are easy to read, and large enough type size. It is arranged very nicely. The only thing that I can ask at cursory glance is that any additions that you put in, such as the charts, be marked as added by you, and not in the original manual. This way a person will know what was written by Dennis, and what was written by you. This annotation should also apply to any additional sections, chapters, explanations, etc., that you have added. I think this is a very important point, and I welcome input from other TROMers about this. Thanks very much for this work, Aarre Peltomaa ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] Kindle version of Manual plus additions
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Aarre I very, very much agree with that! Best Roberto The only thing that I can ask at cursory glance is that any additions that you put in, such as the charts, be marked as added by you, and not in the original manual. This way a person will know what was written by Dennis, and what was written by you. This annotation should also apply to any additional sections, chapters, explanations, etc., that you have added. I think this is a very important point, and I welcome input from other TROMers about this. Thanks very much for this work, Aarre Peltomaa ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] Kindle version of Manual plus additions
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Aarre and Roberto All you need to do to see the changes is open up the kindle version in one window and open up the old version in a second window and read them. Part of my purpose in doing the editing was to eliminate all the distractions that the bad grammar imposed on the reader. It would be counter productive to now add in the distractions of editing notes. Sincerely Pete On Jan 31, 2013, at 4:30 PM, Aarre Peltomaa peltomaa.aa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Pete, I finally got Kindle working and downloaded the manual and your additions to my desktop; wonderful ! The fonts and bolded parts are easy to read, and large enough type size. It is arranged very nicely. The only thing that I can ask at cursory glance is that any additions that you put in, such as the charts, be marked as added by you, and not in the original manual. This way a person will know what was written by Dennis, and what was written by you. This annotation should also apply to any additional sections, chapters, explanations, etc., that you have added. I think this is a very important point, and I welcome input from other TROMers about this. Thanks very much for this work, Aarre Peltomaa ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] Kindle version of Manual plus additions
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Pete, I finally got Kindle working and downloaded the manual and your additions to my desktop; wonderful ! The fonts and bolded parts are easy to read, and large enough type size. It is arranged very nicely. The only thing that I can ask at cursory glance is that any additions that you put in, such as the charts, be marked as added by you, and not in the original manual. This way a person will know what was written by Dennis, and what was written by you. This annotation should also apply to any additional sections, chapters, explanations, etc., that you have added. I think this is a very important point, and I welcome input from other TROMers about this. Thanks very much for this work, Aarre Peltomaa ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
