Re: [TruthTalk] Sanctification by the Spirit
David: Thank you for your response, If I am suddenly silent it is because we are on a hurricane watch here. some are without power already and Isabel is supposed to land at the outer banks in a couple of hours. They are expecting massive power outages and flooding. Maybe a good place to begin here is asking ourselves the question what is the heart? Is it the soul (mind, will, emotions) or is it spirit? We know it is possible to have a deceived heart and an evil heart of unbelief. It is also possible to have a root of fear in our heart which is different from normal fear of danger which would be in the soul. Paul wrote to Timothy that the 'goal' of the instruction is love from a pure heart so if the heart/spirit is pure from the start of our walk with God then why would this be the goal? Is it because we don't think like God, or love like He does. Being conformed to the image of Christ does not happen overnight and spiritual discernment is a must if we are to resist evil and choose the good - Having our senses exercised to discern between good and evil is also a process. Well the lights are blinking so won't push it here. Until Later, Judy -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Sanctification by the Spirit
Jan Hope everything is all right. Those storms can be nasty. Stay safe and let us know how things are. Laura
[TruthTalk] Bible as Hate Speech?
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34671 Canadian bill passes which forbids speech against sexual orientation. From WorldNetDaily.com
[TruthTalk] Ethics question
By the way, I did see this woman on TV tonight, and she is not really comatose, as I assumed. She seems to be at about the level of an infant, mentally. So I am undecided about whether it is right to refuse artificial medical treatment in this case, when is unable to feed herself. I certainly have more of a problem with it. What do you all think? And (ignoring unproven allegations of her husbands abuse), do you think the Lord requires someone in such a situation to remain married to a person in a vegetative state for years? Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Wickedness waxing more and more OK. This brings up an interesting subject: Is there a right to die? Personally, I dont want anybody forcing my body to live in a vegetative state by artificial means if Im already departed. I think it is the cruelest thing to do. It is obviously wrong to KILL someone artificially via drug injection. It is just as bad to artificially FORCE someones body to stay alive via feeding tube. Give the person a decent interval to recover, but 13 years??? When your body stops eating, it is saying Time for me to go. It is sickening to see all the 90+ year old gomers in the nursing homes living day after day connected to a feeding tube; like so many wrinkled up old fetuses attached to umbilical cords. The person does not suffer if you allow nature to take its course and die. I dont blame her husband for not wanting to be married to a corpse longer than 13 years. Our society has the perverted idea that we must keep the dead alive and murder the unborn. Shes already GONE; so get over it. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barr Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 7:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] Wickedness waxing more and more \o/ !HALALUYah! \o/ Greetings in the Matchless NameofYahShua!! OK, this woman collapsed mysteriously in 1990. Her husband sued doctors and won $1.3 million for her care. Husband never spent a nickel on any rehabilitative therapy -- only sustenance care. 5 years ago he began trying to have her feeding tube removed and won't allow her to be hand fed. She breathes on her own. Oh, by the way, that is when hubby started shacking up with another whom he subsequently had a child by. Then it is discovered that a bone scan done in 1991 revealed numerous trauma spots as though she had been severly beaten in the past. Oh, by the way, the lawyer the husband has hired is a right to die expert ... and he has been paid with part of the $1.3 million originally awarded for the woman's care. Oh, and if the woman is allowed to starve to death (as the court has been ordering but the parents have been fighting) then hubby gets the rest of the money for himself. www.baynews9.com/site/New...ryid=24706 www.terrisfight.org/lead.htm Ahava b' YahShua (Love in The SAVIOUR) Baruch YHVH, Bro. Chris Barr a servant of YHVH
Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question
Izzy: When you marry, it is for life. The two of you become one. Poor health does not alter that. Would Jesus dump His bride? Terry - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 7:49 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Ethics question By the way, I did see this woman on TV tonight, and she is not really comatose, as I assumed. She seems to be at about the level of an infant, mentally. So I am undecided about whether it is right to refuse artificial medical treatment in this case, when is unable to feed herself. I certainly have more of a problem with it. What do you all think? And (ignoring unproven allegations of her husbands abuse), do you think the Lord requires someone in such a situation to remain married to a person in a vegetative state for years? Izzy -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:42 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Wickedness waxing more and more OK. This brings up an interesting subject: Is there a right to die? Personally, I dont want anybody forcing my body to live in a vegetative state by artificial means if Im already departed. I think it is the cruelest thing to do. It is obviously wrong to KILL someone artificially via drug injection. It is just as bad to artificially FORCE someones body to stay alive via feeding tube. Give the person a decent interval to recover, but 13 years??? When your body stops eating, it is saying Time for me to go. It is sickening to see all the 90+ year old gomers in the nursing homes living day after day connected to a feeding tube; like so many wrinkled up old fetuses attached to umbilical cords. The person does not suffer if you allow nature to take its course and die. I dont blame her husband for not wanting to be married to a corpse longer than 13 years. Our society has the perverted idea that we must keep the dead alive and murder the unborn. Shes already GONE; so get over it. Izzy -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris BarrSent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 7:56 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [TruthTalk] Wickedness waxing more and more \o/ !HALALUYah! \o/ Greetings in the Matchless NameofYahShua!! OK, this woman collapsed mysteriously in 1990.Her husband sued doctors and won $1.3 million for her care.Husband never spent a nickel on any rehabilitative therapy -- only sustenance care.5 years ago he began trying to have her feeding tube removed and won't allow her to be hand fed. She breathes on her own.Oh, by the way, that is when hubby started shacking up with another whom he subsequently had a child by.Then it is discovered that a bone scan done in 1991 revealed numerous trauma spots as though she had been severly beaten in the past.Oh, by the way, the lawyer the husband has hired is a "right to die" expert ... and he has been paid with part of the $1.3 million originally awarded for the woman's care.Oh, and if the woman is allowed to starve to death (as the court has been ordering but the parents have been fighting) then hubby gets the rest of the money for himself.www.baynews9.com/site/New...ryid=24706www.terrisfight.org/lead.htm Ahava b' YahShua (Love in The SAVIOUR) Baruch YHVH, Bro. Chris Barr a servant of YHVH
Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question
Izzy, You asked:...do you think the Lord requires someone in such a situation to remain married to a person in a vegetative state for years? Matthew 19:6 says: Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. Mark 10:11,12 says: And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery. Romans 7:2,3 says: For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. I Cor.7:10,11 says:And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife. I Cor.10:13 says:There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. Your brother in Christ, Bruce _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Obeying The Word with True LOVE
\o/ !HALALUYah! \o/ Greetings in the Matchless NameofYahShua!! Just following the example of The Saviour when He confronted religious hypocrites. They didn't like it any better then Jezebel Judy. Speaking of Jezebel ... "For without are DOGS, and sorcerers, and whoremonger, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie." Ah, those who love and make lies like Jezebel Judy end up right where Jezebels always end up -- outside The City with the dogs. Ahava b' YahShua (Love in The SAVIOUR) Baruch YHVH, Bro. Chris Barr a servant of YHVH - Original Message - From: "Jezebel Judith H. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09/17/2003 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Obeying The Word with True LOVE "Chris Barr" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in The Holy Spirit, Keep yourselves in the love of The Almighty, looking for the mercy of our Adonay YahShua Messiah unto eternal life. And of some have compassion, making a difference: And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh." Jude 20-23 Jezebel Judy responds: "Be ye DOERS of the Word and not hearers only deceiving your own selves" "Judge yourself, lest ye be judged" and "Owe no man anything, except to love him for love fulfills the law; when you judge/accuse the brethren you will reap what you sow because you judge the law rather than fulfilling it in your own life by walking in love and God's righteous judgment says that "every man will be rewarded for what he has done" God has sent the Spirit to convict the world of sin righteousness and the judgment to come. So beating them over the head with the Bible is not being a co- worker in His vineyard. Jesus our example only did what He first saw the Father doing. You are not waiting for the voice of the Shepherd because this is not His Way... and this lack of love and caring is why the Church is so divided. Please pray before you respond Chris -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
[TruthTalk] SOP
\o/ !HALALUYah! \o/ Greetings in the Matchless NameofYahShua!! - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09/18/2003 7:49 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Ethics question By the way, I did see this woman on TV tonight, and she is not really comatose, as I assumed. Just standard operating procedure (SOP) for Izzy. Now, Iz should WRITE James 1:19 100 times before posting anything else. Oh, and remember Matthew 7:2 ... that was the first thing that came from my wife's lips as she read with horror Izzy's initial response. Izzy could very well find herself in an automobile wreck in a ditch with nobody to help her. Ahava b' YahShua (Love in The SAVIOUR) Baruch YHVH, Bro. Chris Barr a servant of YHVH -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris BarrSent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 7:56 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [TruthTalk] Wickedness waxing more and more \o/ !HALALUYah! \o/ Greetings in the Matchless NameofYahShua!! OK, this woman collapsed mysteriously in 1990.Her husband sued doctors and won $1.3 million for her care.Husband never spent a nickel on any rehabilitative therapy -- only sustenance care.5 years ago he began trying to have her feeding tube removed and won't allow her to be hand fed. She breathes on her own.Oh, by the way, that is when hubby started shacking up with another whom he subsequently had a child by.Then it is discovered that a bone scan done in 1991 revealed numerous trauma spots as though she had been severly beaten in the past.Oh, by the way, the lawyer the husband has hired is a "right to die" expert ... and he has been paid with part of the $1.3 million originally awarded for the woman's care.Oh, and if the woman is allowed to starve to death (as the court has been ordering but the parents have been fighting) then hubby gets the rest of the money for himself.www.baynews9.com/site/New...ryid=24706www.terrisfight.org/lead.htm Ahava b' YahShua (Love in The SAVIOUR) Baruch YHVH, Bro. Chris Barr a servant of YHVH
[TruthTalk] TruthTalkin' 'bout Torah walkin'
\o/ !HALALUYah! \o/ Greetings in the Matchless NameofYahShua!! Halacha means "to walk in the way". If one claiming Torah observance and halacha should move away sticking another to pay that one's bills (local phone, long distance, etc.) in the amount of $97.37 is that one walking in the Torah way? Or is that one just "in the way" of Torah? Scripture says that if such a thief be found, and he says he stole because he was hungry (i.e. had children to feed) he should not be despised BUT he shall restore sevenfold -- that would be $681.59 -- even to the giving of ALL the substance of his house (Proverbs 6:30-31). Yom Kippur is just around the corner. Of course, if one is just a hypocrite and not at all Torah observant then that one is only a common thief. Ahava b' YahShua (Love in The SAVIOUR) Baruch YHVH, Bro. Chris Barr a servant of YHVH
RE: [TruthTalk] Obeying The Word with True LOVE
Chris, You should consider yourself to be the utmost authority on religious hypocrites. Iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barr Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 9:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Obeying The Word with True LOVE \o/ !HALALUYah! \o/ Greetings in the Matchless NameofYahShua!! Just following the example of The Saviour when He confronted religious hypocrites. They didn't like it any better then Jezebel Judy. Speaking of Jezebel ... For without are DOGS, and sorcerers, and whoremonger, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. Ah, those who love and make lies like Jezebel Judy end up right where Jezebels always end up -- outside The City with the dogs. Ahava b' YahShua (Love in The SAVIOUR) Baruch YHVH, Bro. Chris Barr a servant of YHVH - Original Message - From: Jezebel Judith H. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09/17/2003 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Obeying The Word with True LOVE Chris Barr [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in The Holy Spirit, Keep yourselves in the love of The Almighty, looking for the mercy of our Adonay YahShua Messiah unto eternal life. And of some have compassion, making a difference: And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh. Jude 20-23 Jezebel Judy responds: Be ye DOERS of the Word and not hearers only deceiving your own selves Judge yourself, lest ye be judged and Owe no man anything, except to love him for love fulfills the law; when you judge/accuse the brethren you will reap what you sow because you judge the law rather than fulfilling it in your own life by walking in love and God's righteous judgment says that every man will be rewarded for what he has done God has sent the Spirit to convict the world of sin righteousness and the judgment to come. So beating them over the head with the Bible is not being a co- worker in His vineyard. Jesus our example only did what He first saw the Father doing. You are not waiting for the voice of the Shepherd because this is not His Way... and this lack of love and caring is why the Church is so divided. Please pray before you respond Chris -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
RE: [TruthTalk] TruthTalkin' 'bout Torah walkin'
Chris, If someone owes you $57.37 why dont you just send them a bill, instead of whining about it to people who dont CARE? Iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barr Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 10:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] TruthTalkin' 'bout Torah walkin' \o/ !HALALUYah! \o/ Greetings in the Matchless NameofYahShua!! Halacha means to walk in the way. If one claiming Torah observance and halacha should move away sticking another to pay that one's bills (local phone, long distance, etc.) in the amount of $97.37 is that one walking in the Torah way? Or is that one just in the way of Torah? Scripture says that if such a thief be found, and he says he stole because he was hungry (i.e. had children to feed) he should not be despised BUT he shall restore sevenfold -- that would be $681.59 -- even to the giving of ALL the substance of his house (Proverbs 6:30-31). Yom Kippur is just around the corner. Of course, if one is just a hypocrite and not at all Torah observant then that one is only a common thief. Ahava b' YahShua (Love in The SAVIOUR) Baruch YHVH, Bro. Chris Barr a servant of YHVH
RE: [TruthTalk] A Good Read/Taxes
Hi David, You wrote:In regard to defining person, our U.S. Code provides the following definition: U.S. Code, Title 26, Subtitle F, Chapter 79, Section 7701 (30) United States person The term ''United States person'' means - (A) a citizen or resident of the United States, (B) a domestic partnership, (C) a domestic corporation, (D) any estate (other than a foreign estate, within the meaning of paragraph (31)), and (E) any trust if - (i) a court within the United States is able to exercise primary supervision over the administration of the trust, and (ii) one or more United States persons have the authority to control all substantial decisions of the trust. I am a citizen and resident of the United States, so I fall under this definition. Yes, David, you are, and for you (as a citizen and resident not to pay income tax would be to be guilty of tax evasion. But I am NOT a citizen or a resident of CANADA, although I was born and live within the geographical landmass called Canada. You see both citizens and residents are legal persons created by government starting with birth registrations. Legal persons are THINGS to which the law gives a legal or fictional existence or personality, with capacity for rights or duties. As a man, you are RECOGNIZED by God-given features of your spirit, soul and body and you may be INTRODUCED to others who do not know you by men or women who do. But as a legal person citizen or resident, you cannot be introduced. (You do not introduce THINGS!) Things must be IDENTIFIED. So whenever someone wants to IDENTIFY you as a citizen or resident, an introduction by a family member or friend will not do! Nor will the God-given features of your spirit, soul and body suffice. Things must be identified by features given them by their creator. The features given to legal persons by government are a legal name, a legal number and a legal document. Such documents are necessary to IDENTIFY citizens and residents. When I had written:In Canadian legislation, when real flesh and blood people are referred to, such terms as man, woman, one, everyone etc are used. But when corporations, legal persons, companies, trusts, organizations are refferred to, the terms person or persons are used!. You responded:...Listen to yourself, Bruce. Are you really trying to argue that you are not a person? Don't you think something is wrong that you build such an argument, that you are not a person, in order to avoid paying taxes? Dear David, In normal conversation, I do not mind the use of the word person because most people use the word and mean a man, woman, boy or girl who has been created by God. But when governments and lawyers use the term, they mean something totally different! The trouble with legalese is that legal language is designed to deceive and confuse the ordinary man on the street in order to bring him into bondage. That is why the Income Tax Act (Canada) and your U.S. Tax Code are unintelligible to most people! They (and most other legislation) were not written to be understood by the man on the street, they were written primarily to deceive him and bring him into bondage and under the regulation of those who hate the Creator and desire to be creators themselves who can then regulate and enslave their creatures (otherwise known as citizens, residents etc). There are many people who have been born and who live in the geographical territory called the United States of America who are NOT U.S. citizens , who are not U.S. residents and therefore are not United States persons! Some examples: -ambassadors and foreign diplomats and their families, -Amish and Mennonite people who refuse government birth registrations, or the use of any government I.D. -Children of ordinary folks which are born at home and whose parents do not register their births with government. -People who formerly used government I.D., but have learned how deceptive such 'I.D. really is and have revoked and renounced the use of all such I.D. You wrote:The IRS has published a document titled, The Truth About Frivolous Tax Arguments. It covers the voluntary tax argument as well as other schemes, and it documents case law and court rulings concerning it. Perhaps you should read it and offer a response for us. I read the section on voluntary tax arguments. It is very similar to publications of the CCRA here in Canada. David, did you notice that this documents deals with legal persons designated as taxpayers? In the Code to which it refers (dealing with Income Tax) taxpayers are payers of income tax. One who is quite happy to be a legal person (deriving their legal or fictional existence and personailty FROM THE LAW), uses legal I.D. and claims that the person IDENTIFIED on such documents is actually himself/herself, does not have any power (as a legal person) to think, reason, or question, nor do they have the power of volition! The creators of legal
RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question
Okay, Bruce, we all know the pat, standard, rote, expected, programmed answers. I was hoping for a little thought on this subject. What if someone in a vegetative coma state is already with the Lord? Do you think the Lord expects to keep their body alive by artificial means forever? What if it was a young woman who desired children, and now can never have them, or experience the joy of a marriage? Does anything ever compel you to get inside someone elses frame of mind? As long as the vegetative person was well cared for, would God be so rigid and unfeeling that he would want the spouse to never be able to have a life? Does your God come in a pre-programmed box? Nevermind. Izzy PS In case you think that I would be so callous as to remove the feeding tube from someone, let me remind you that I was married to someone in a very vegetative state for 25 years! Thank the Lord, He had mercy on my situation! ROFL!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Woodford Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 9:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question Izzy, You asked:...do you think the Lord requires someone in such a situation to remain married to a person in a vegetative state for years? Matthew 19:6 says: Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. Mark 10:11,12 says: And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery. Romans 7:2,3 says: For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. I Cor.7:10,11 says:And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife. I Cor.10:13 says:There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. Your brother in Christ, Bruce _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
[TruthTalk] Ethics question
By the way, I should tell you the story about when Mr. and Mrs. Tomato were in a bad car accident. The husband got out with only cuts and bruises, but the wife was badly injured. The ER doctor took the husband aside and said, Well, the good news is this: Your wife is going to live. The husband said, Whats the bad news? The doctor said, Im afraid your wife is going to be a vegetable for the rest of her life.
RE: [TruthTalk] A Good Read/Taxes
Bruce, Just wonderingdoes one have to pay taxes while imprisoned for tax evasion? Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Woodford Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 11:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] A Good Read/Taxes Hi David, You wrote:In regard to defining person, our U.S. Code provides the following definition: U.S. Code, Title 26, Subtitle F, Chapter 79, Section 7701 (30) United States person The term ''United States person'' means - (A) a citizen or resident of the United States, (B) a domestic partnership, (C) a domestic corporation, (D) any estate (other than a foreign estate, within the meaning of paragraph (31)), and (E) any trust if - (i) a court within the United States is able to exercise primary supervision over the administration of the trust, and (ii) one or more United States persons have the authority to control all substantial decisions of the trust. I am a citizen and resident of the United States, so I fall under this definition. Yes, David, you are, and for you (as a citizen and resident not to pay income tax would be to be guilty of tax evasion. But I am NOT a citizen or a resident of CANADA, although I was born and live within the geographical landmass called Canada. You see both citizens and residents are legal persons created by government starting with birth registrations. Legal persons are THINGS to which the law gives a legal or fictional existence or personality, with capacity for rights or duties. As a man, you are RECOGNIZED by God-given features of your spirit, soul and body and you may be INTRODUCED to others who do not know you by men or women who do. But as a legal person citizen or resident, you cannot be introduced. (You do not introduce THINGS!) Things must be IDENTIFIED. So whenever someone wants to IDENTIFY you as a citizen or resident, an introduction by a family member or friend will not do! Nor will the God-given features of your spirit, soul and body suffice. Things must be identified by features given them by their creator. The features given to legal persons by government are a legal name, a legal number and a legal document. Such documents are necessary to IDENTIFY citizens and residents. When I had written:In Canadian legislation, when real flesh and blood people are referred to, such terms as man, woman, one, everyone etc are used. But when corporations, legal persons, companies, trusts, organizations are refferred to, the terms person or persons are used!. You responded:...Listen to yourself, Bruce. Are you really trying to argue that you are not a person? Don't you think something is wrong that you build such an argument, that you are not a person, in order to avoid paying taxes? Dear David, In normal conversation, I do not mind the use of the word person because most people use the word and mean a man, woman, boy or girl who has been created by God. But when governments and lawyers use the term, they mean something totally different! The trouble with legalese is that legal language is designed to deceive and confuse the ordinary man on the street in order to bring him into bondage. That is why the Income Tax Act (Canada) and your U.S. Tax Code are unintelligible to most people! They (and most other legislation) were not written to be understood by the man on the street, they were written primarily to deceive him and bring him into bondage and under the regulation of those who hate the Creator and desire to be creators themselves who can then regulate and enslave their creatures (otherwise known as citizens, residents etc). There are many people who have been born and who live in the geographical territory called the United States of America who are NOT U.S. citizens , who are not U.S. residents and therefore are not United States persons! Some examples: -ambassadors and foreign diplomats and their families, -Amish and Mennonite people who refuse government birth registrations, or the use of any government I.D. -Children of ordinary folks which are born at home and whose parents do not register their births with government. -People who formerly used government I.D., but have learned how deceptive such 'I.D. really is and have revoked and renounced the use of all such I.D. You wrote:The IRS has published a document titled, The Truth About Frivolous Tax Arguments. It covers the voluntary tax argument as well as other schemes, and it documents case law and court rulings concerning it. Perhaps you should read it and offer a response for us. I read the section on voluntary tax arguments. It is very similar to publications of the CCRA here in Canada. David, did you notice that this documents deals with legal persons designated as taxpayers? In the Code to which it refers (dealing with Income Tax) taxpayers are payers of income tax. One who is quite happy to be a legal person (deriving their
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RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question
Izzy, You wrote:Okay, Bruce, we all know the pat, standard, rote, expected, programmed answers. I was hoping for a little thought on this subject. What if someone in a vegetative coma state is already with the Lord? Do you think the Lord expects to keep their body alive by artificial means forever? What if it was a young woman who desired children, and now can never have them, or experience the joy of a marriage? Does anything ever compel you to get inside someone else's frame of mind? As long as the vegetative person was well cared for, would God be so rigid and unfeeling that he would want the spouse to never be able to have a life? Does your God come in a pre-programmed box? .Nevermind. Izzy PS In case you think that I would be so callous as to remove the feeding tube from someone, let me remind you that I was married to someone in a very vegetative state for 25 years! Thank the Lord, He had mercy on my situation! ROFL!!! Dear Sister, Please forgive me for communicating that I'd given your question no thought! I certainly did, but you asked what God would require, and so I thought it best not to express opinions but to the the Holy Spirit of God speak to the situation through His own Word. But now you have asked some other questions: -What if someone in a vegetative coma state is already with the Lord? If one has departed, if the soul and spirit are separated from the body, the body is dead. There is no more need to care for such. Bury the body and the one who was formerly married to the departed one is free to marry another. Romans 7 is clear on that score. -Do you think the Lord expects to keep their body alive by artificial means forever? No I do not. -What if it was a young woman who desired children, and now can never have them, or experience the joy of a marriage? It is never God's desire that a young married woman whose husband is physically or mentally incapacitated should bear children by any other man while her husband is still living. Rather, in the midst of her deep trial, it IS his purpose to make Himself known to her in all of His sufficiency for her every need. -Does anything ever compel you to get inside someone else's frame of mind? Yes, when people share what is on their mind, I am often compelled to consider their perspective. Thank you for doing just that here! -As long as the vegetative person was well cared for, would God be so rigid and unfeeling that he would want the spouse to never be able to have a life? Dear Sister, If the incapacitated spouse is in need of being well cared for, they are still a spouse and their spouse is still married. God is never rigid and unfeeling!! The Lord Jesus was tempted in all pointas like as we are apart from sin and in that he himself suffered bneing tempted, He is able to succour (help) them that are tempted.But LIFE is never to be found in a spouse, in a happy marriage, in bearing children etc. If anyone enters a marriage relationship thinking that LIFE is found there, they are going to be sorely disillusioned! BUT, if they realize that LIFE is only found in Christ (I John 5:11,12), then regardless of their circumstances, good relationships or bad, smooth sailing or daily pain and aggravation...they can still experience a full, joyful and meaningful life by maintaining coomunion with and drawing their sustenance from their Lord! Your brother in Christ, Bruce _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
