Re: [TruthTalk] Opinion Piece
In a message dated 9/7/2003 11:23:20 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are you for his execution? No Were you for his release? Yes Do you think he's one of the Righteous Few? Not necessarilly Do you think he's a murderer? Yes but so was the man he shot
Re: [TruthTalk] Fwd: Special Report - Ten Commandments Removed
I don't know if David went or not. It probably isn't all that far for him to go. The whole thing makes me sick. But then what do we expect? Our nation is a mess. Laura
[TruthTalk] Fwd: Special Report - Ten Commandments Removed
Has anyone heard from Bruce? I got an email where he said he was headed to Alabama. What a mess! Nearly every religious group is up in arms and I don't blame them. Laura CITIZENLINK SPECIAL REPORT Aug. 27, 2003 Ten Commandments Monument Removed By Tom Hess, Citizen editor SUMMARY: Christian activists vow to continue rallies in support of Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore and to fight for the principle of state sovereignty. The Ten Commandments monument that has focused the nation's attention on Alabama for more than a week was removed this morning from the state judicial center, as more than 100 Christian activists -- and nearly as many reporters -- gathered outside and watched. The 2 1/2-ton stone monument, placed in the rotunda of the judicial building by Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore in 2001, was taken away in two pieces by a moving company hired by the state. The removal came a week after Moore refused to meet a federal court's deadline for removing the monument himself, arguing that do comply would be to dishonor his oath to uphold the state constitution. Moore supporters who had vowed to prevent the monument's removal through peaceful protest were unable to do so because access to the courthouse was restricted. But the Rev. Pat Mahoney, director of the Christian Defense Coalition, said the rallies he's helped stage for the past week will continue. "Come to Montgomery in the next few days," he told CitizenLink. "Come and see the future of America if we don't get involved." The monument was removed to an undisclosed, temporary location in the courthouse before 8 a.m. CDT -- just 12 hours after 1,000 people gathered for a Tuesday evening rally on the judicial center steps, fanning themselves to thwart the late summer humidity and singing hymns like "Holy, Holy, Holy." Two hundred of those gathered were spending their first night in Montgomery -- just a day after Focus on the Family founder and chairman Dr. James Dobson urged all believers who could afford it to head to Alabama to show their support of Moore. One activist who has been there for the entire week is Dave Daubenmire, founder of Minutemen United, a pro-family group that operates in and around Columbus, Ohio. He said he has no plans to leave any time soon. "The battle has just begun," Daubenmire said. "The battle lines have been drawn." Christians in Montgomery have been supportive not only of their chief justice, but also of the out-of-towners. Locals have provided food, water housing and showers every night for those who need them. "I haven't spent a dollar since I've been here," Daubenmire said. "The Lord God has provided." Alan Keyes, a passionate defender of Moore during last week's events, has told Mahoney he will rejoin the rallies Thursday. Sandy Rios, president of Concerned Women for America, is expected to join him at the microphone. Dr. James Dobson is scheduled to appear tonight on "Hannity &Colmes" (9 p.m. EDT on the Fox News Channel) to discuss the situation and his view that it's time for the federal courts to stop encroaching on the rights of the states and the people. TAKE ACTION: For specific suggestions on how you can show your support for Chief Justice Moore, visit the CitizenLink Ten Commandments Action Center. http://www.family.org/cforum/extras/a0027493.cfm --- Begin Message --- CITIZENLINK SPECIAL REPORTAug. 27, 2003Ten Commandments Monument RemovedBy Tom Hess, Citizen editorSUMMARY: Christian activists vow to continue rallies in support of Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore and to fight for the principle of state sovereignty.The Ten Commandments monument that has focused the nation's attention on Alabama for more than a week was removed this morning from the state judicial center, as more than 100 Christian activists -- and nearly as many reporters -- gathered outside and watched.The 2 1/2-ton stone monument, placed in the rotunda of the judicial building by Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore in 2001, was taken away in two pieces by a moving company hired by the state. The removal came a week after Moorerefused to meet a federal court's deadline for removing the monument himself, arguing that do comply would be to dishonor his oath to uphold the state constitution.Moore supporters who had vowed to prevent the monument's removal through peaceful protest were unable to do so because access to the courthouse was restricted.But the Rev. Pat Mahoney, director of the Christian Defense Coalition, said the rallies he's helped stage for the past week will continue."Come to Montgomery in the next few days," he told CitizenLink. "Come and see the future of America if we don't get involved."The monument was removed to an undisclosed, temporary location in the courthouse before 8 a.m. CDT -- just 12 hours after 1,000 people gathered for a Tuesday evening rally on the judicial center steps, fanning themselves tothwart the late summer humidity and singing hymns like "Holy, Holy, Holy."Two hundred of
Re: [TruthTalk] Practical Issues relative to House Churches
I loved Florida - even the heat and storms. The people were so friendly. We stayed in a kid- friendly place the second week and at the Marriot in Tampa the first week. Renting a van from Tampa to Orlando was a pain but everything else was a great experience. I have this "thing" though - I really want to go sometime when I can get fresh squeezed OJ!!! Laura Laura... try 19 mos., 3.5 years, 5, 6, and 16 for a while. Wanna fly back down to Florida for a while? You'll wonder who acts the oldest... the 16-year-old teenager or the 3.5-year-old girl. shalom slade
Re: [TruthTalk] Practical Issues relative to House Churches
Hi Grandmother! I'm the Gramma on the list. I thought 2,4 and 9 were a handful- 3 under 5 sounds like a nightmare!!! Just kidding. I love my girls and if I could lower the volume level I'd be content!!! I'm anxious to find out whose covering you are under. I don't have a hubby and if I'm not supposed to be under the covering of my church I wonder whose covering I'm under ! LOL Laura Grandmother Izzy
Re: [TruthTalk] Practical Issues relative to House Churches
Hi Kay I just got back from Florida and was about 80 miles from the Miller's. You are right about it being warm!!! LOL They have some wonderful light shows in the form of thunder and lightening too! Glad you are near friends and family. Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] Practical Issues relative to House Churches
In a message dated 8/2/2003 5:39:31 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The point is not whether He told you to change, but rather did He give you scriptural guidance to commence your current "method of worship" in the first place? Yes God opened doors for me to be able to move here and it is a long story but I have no doubt that I am worshipping where the Lord wants me. Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] Practical Issues relative to House Churches
None of you have any idea where I worship and how I worship and how my church functions. You are jumping to conclusions. I refuse to be pulled in. Laura Laura: God has given you overwhelming evidence in His word. He has told you how to gather with other believers and be the Church. He has spoken. You simply won't listen. Terry
Re: [TruthTalk] Practical Issues relative to House Churches
What right do you have to say that my church has many false teachings and practices? Laura I think it was you who said that if you found that your church held false doctrines, you'd soon be finding another church. But you haven't responded to my questions about many false teachings and practices that you have indicated are held and practiced in your church.
Re: [TruthTalk] Practical Issues relative to House Churches
In a message dated 8/2/2003 4:37:57 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Laura, Welcome back! You wrote: "I still am happy with my present church and have no problem with you worshipping in a "home setting". Whatever floats your boat! I would have a problem if you said home churches were the only way to worship." Dear Sister, Is our "happiness" with a situation the benchmark that should guide us in our Christian lives and walk with the Lord and His people? If Abraham had said to the Lord, "I'm quite happy here in Ur of the Chaldees, I'd rather not head off somewhere in the desert not knowing where I'm going!" or "I'm quite happy to stay home and not take Isaac up to mount Moriah", do you think he would have enjoyed the blessing of God on His life that God had intended? In like manner, thousands of Christians are quite happy to stay within a situation that is familiar and comfortable even though they are well aware that many things about that situation are contrary to scripture. I think it was you who said that if you found that your church held false doctrines, you'd soon be finding another church. But you haven't responded to my questions about many false teachings and practices that you have indicated are held and practiced in your church. There is a massive difference between happiness based on a familiar comfort zone and joy that is based on obedience to what one knows God has convicted them about in His Word. The safest, most secure, and most joyful place in all the universe is the place of obedience to Him. Here's a very funny but serious song about someone who is concerned to maintain their comfort zone and totally unwilling to obey the Lord if he should call them into the unknown PLEASE DON'T SEND ME TO AFRICA O Lord I'm your willing servant You know that I have been for years I'm here in this pew every Sunday and Wednesday I've stained it with many a tear I've given you years of my service I've always given my best And I've never asked you for anything much So Lord I deserve this request Chorus: Please don't send me to Africa I don't think I've got what it takes I'm just a man, I'm not a tarzan Don't like lions, gorillas, or snakes I'll serve you here in suburbia In my comfortable middle class life But please don't send me out in the bush Where the natives are restless at night I'll see that the money is gathered I'll see that the money is sent I'll wash and stack the communion cups I'll tithe 11 percent I'll volunteer for the nursery I'll go on the youth retreat I'll usher, I'll deacon, I'll go door to door Just let me keep warming this seat Chorus: Please don't send me to Africa I don't think I've got what it takes I'm just a man, I'm not a tarzan Don't like lions, gorillas, or snakes I'll serve you here in suburbia In my comfortable middle class life But please don't send me out in the bush Where the natives are restless at night Are homes the only place to worship? Of course, homes are not the only place believers can worship the Lord! Saints can do it beside a river (Acts 16), they can do it with their backs beaten and bloodied in stocks in filthy prisons (Acts 16), they can do it as a little band of travelling evangelists in a room of the lodging house where they have their temporary abode (Acts 20), they can do it as lonely prisoners on board ship with a mob of unbelievers around them (Acts 27). But you will search the the new covenant scriptures in vain to find saints gathering in temples, sanctuaries, auditoriums etc which they have bought or built for the purpose! You will search in vain to find new covenant saints gathering to listen to a clergyman preach them a "sermon". You will search in vain to find new covenant saints tithing to pay the salary of their clergyman or the mortgage on their sanctuary. And you will search in vain to find any flock of sheep in scripture hiring their pastors, paying their pastors' salaries or firing their pastors! Those are all the responsibilities of the Owner of the sheep! New covenant church always function by new covenant principles. Your brother in Christ, Bruce OK Let me rephrase that! GOD has not told me to change my method of worship! And I love that song. My son was a missionary to Africa 10 years ago this summer. Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] Practical Issues relative to House Churches
I'm back - I was away on church related business and then a vacation to the forbidden land! Both weeks were great! I still am happy with my present church and have no problem with you worshipping in a "home setting". Whatever floats your boat! I would have a problem if you said home churches were the only way to worship. Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus is Jehovah]
In a message dated 7/18/2003 10:22:52 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And I also think that if most women honestly listened to their hearts, they would agree that the same is true for them. :-) AMEN! Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] Practical Issues relative to House Churches
In a message dated 7/18/2003 5:32:59 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear Sister, does your church teach and practice: -that the church is to be lead by the pastor? YES With a board -that the pastor is hired and paid by the church? Yes and he earns every penny -that the church building is to be maintained from the collection which scripture says is to be for poor saints? YES -that believers are to tithe to support the pastor and the church programs? The scriptures teach this -that in regular church gatherings the congregation is to be silent and listen to sermons from the pastor? NO -that church members are to be accountable to the pastor or other church leaders? Not necessarily Accountable to God
Re: [TruthTalk] missions
In a message dated 7/18/2003 4:30:31 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't have a problem with Terry's viewpoint. Whatever it takes to get the Lord's work done is fine with me. For me - I feel more comfortable with the mission board I support. There are missionaries who just move to the field that God has called them. They don't go around to churches raising money. They just go. They have to have a means to live and to get there - One other thing I have never understood. Why do churches spend thousands upon thousands for the mission field, but neglect their own backyard? Could it be easier to raise funds when people cannot see what you are actually doing with the money? I agree totally with you here - We do far too little in our own communities although we do our best to reach out into the community with several huge community outreaches a year and a very active visitation program. No matter what it is never enough! Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] missions
Terry, You are entitled to your opinion and also to your own views of tithing. If that works for you and is what God has told you to do then by all means go for it. I don't have time to argue nor do I have the desire. I have several personal friends who are missionaries and I assure you that they do not live high on the hog. Travel is expensive, schooling for their children is expensive, language study is expensive, and the list goes on and on. My son was a missionary on a very primitive field. Just getting paperwork in place to go overseas is expensive - not to mention shots etc. One thing I can tell you is that they have to raise an inflated amount of money because people sign faith promise cards and do not follow through. Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] Practical Issues relative to House Churches
Interesting that you use Tampa as an example. I'm headed there tomorrow. Regarding money - I don't have the figures where I can put my hands on them. (The little ones are in the room where that file is kept) I didn't mean to mislead you - we give that total amount to the Foreign Missions Dept and they use a small amount for their expenses. Mail room, printing, phone etc. I believe the actual bldg is debt free but of course there is always maintanence. Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] Practical Issues relative to House Churches
In a message dated 7/18/2003 10:53:30 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I do not deny that false doctrines can be taught in house churches. But is the fact that such sometimes happens ANY REASON TO DEPART FROM THE SCRIPTURAL PATTERN OF MEETING IN HOMES? False doctrines a plenty have been taught in grand cathedrals, sanctuaries and worship centers. That is my point and believe me if my church taught false doctrine I'd be looking for another place to worship. Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] Practical Issues relative to House Churches
In a message dated 7/18/2003 9:48:07 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Even that outside giving that you mention, how much of it is actually given to people in need? I do have a financial report but I don't have a scanner. 7% of outside giving for Foreign Missions goes to administrative costs. Our church gave $102,000 last year just to Foreign Missions. Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] Practical Issues relative to House Churches
How wrong you are We give a huge amount to outside giving and that doesn't count ministry within the church. laura Very little of your money is being used for the kingdom. Most of it goes to the bank that holds the mortgage, the flower shop, the secretary, the janitor, the guy who sprays for bugs and the electric and phone company.
Re: [TruthTalk] Practical Issues relative to House Churches
In a message dated 7/17/2003 8:25:25 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The popular accountability doctrine teaches that I need to be "under accountability", that I need to get my assignments from a pastor, from a board of directors etc and that I must report on how I have fulfilled their assignments so that they can evaluate my performance! Everything has to have an order - God is not the author of confusion. If there isn't someone at the head then everyone can just do their own thing. I believe that everyone has a place to serve according to their abilities, talents and gifts. Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] Practical Issues relative to House Churches
In a message dated 7/17/2003 8:25:25 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has anyone in any religious organization or denominational church ever taught you that ALL accountability in scripture is VERTICAL! (i.e. Godward!) Absolutely I agree that it is ulitmately vertical but I am going to place my money where I know it is being used to further the Kingdom. I am not saying your "church group" is practicing false doctrine. What I am saying is that it does happen. Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus is Jehovah]
I'm interested too in who they are accountable to besides God. I guess I'm leery because friends of mine back in DE got mixed up in a home church and really were taught some false doctrine. Laura What's the role of preaching in the NT? Is (NT) preaching essential to (NT) churches; how so? (Define preaching--and, pls try to make it interesting...I'm feelin' a little woozy this a.m. )
Re: [TruthTalk] What is a new testament church?
Interesting method of worship. Where do you send your tithe and do you support mission programs? Laura Yes, I am involved in a home church! But I don't think I have ever experienced a "typical house church meeting" if you know what I mean! But what IS typical is that we never have a preplanned "agenda". order of service, appointed speakers etc People's needs vary, what God has been teaching individuals or the group varies, so we seek to be open to what the Lord may do in our gatherings. Sometimes we have sung for our entire time together, sometimes we have prayed the entire time! But usually there is a variety of singing, sharing, praying, reading and discussing of scriptures. And we usually eat a meal together and remember the Lord as we do so. Even the timing of that is not "set in stone"! Sometimes we eat at the end of our time, at other times we eat at the very beginning! But above all, we desire to allow the Lord to have His way and to be sensitive to minister to needs as they arise. Your brother in Christ, Bruce
Re: [TruthTalk] Mystery [was 'Two Questions For Glenn]
I called Moose Pass and they won't let me talk to him Somebody mentioned that Dr.GT was 'swamped'; could it be that he went to Florida but got it confused with Australia? Actually, I'm wondering if he went to Moose Cow (the hide out at the lodge)--I heard that the Alaskan salmon served there can throw someone off and he still doesn't know where he is.
Re: [TruthTalk] Two Questions For Glenn
In a message dated 7/11/2003 4:45:07 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Australia does not have alligators. Did Glenn mean crocodile, or did they import the alligator? David Miller I think it was crocodile Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] Two Questions For Glenn
In a message dated 7/10/2003 8:58:41 PM Central Daylight Time, GJ Tabor writes: Thought you all might enjoy hearing from Glenn He is swamped with work and now has developed some really strange eating habits - not a good sign!! Laura Send them an email for me. Tell them I just got back from Australia saving souls from hell while eating kangaroo, alligator, and of course some of the best salmon in the world. Australian salmon is as good as fresh Alaskan salmon. I didn't like the kangaroo. It tasted like deer, which I don't like unless a godly Christian grandmother knows how to cook it right, but thought the alligator was good.
Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Plague
THis made me wonder if anyone has heard from Jeff - I know he can't write or phone but wondered if Dave had heard from the grapevine how he is doing? Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism by Fire
In a message dated 6/26/2003 12:14:03 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 5) Baptism with fire Baptism with fire is only meant for the saints of God. It involves The Lord allowing his saints to pass through serious sufferings that when bravely handled, glorifies and gives honor to the name of the most high living God. This baptism of fire is only for true believers. Salvation does not mean that all is smooth. There are serious storms in the lives of the saints of God. The baptism of fire ushers the saints of God into tests, trials, temptations and other various forms of afflictions, to test their faith and their total dependency upon God. Baptism by fire brings about grace for a positive change in the life of believers towards God and enhances spiritual maturity. Very interesting thread Thanks for sharing, Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] New Photos
Hey Perry What does the C. stand for? Just being nosey! Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Mr. Terry Clifton, your efforts score a pro-life
In a message dated 6/14/2003 7:11:23 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Myrtle is indeed a beautiful wood, but not too popular as a gunstock wood because it is not too stable Thanks for the info. It is definately interesting. I bet Loni wonders how on earth we got on this subject. Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Mr. Terry Clifton, your efforts score a pro-life
In a message dated 6/14/2003 2:11:18 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oregon probably has the most beautiful maple wood, either Quilted maple or fiddleback (tigerstripe). I brought back a key chain made of myrtle from Oregon (which I lost!) but myrtle is beautiful wood. I bet a gun would be beautiful! Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: CLUELESS IN D.C.
In a message dated 6/14/2003 1:26:39 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The spell checker on this computer keeps wanting to change her name from Izzy to Dizzy. Maybe it knows something that I don't. The problem is that you have a male computer. You need to download a female spell checker! LOL BTW It's often the women who take the time to find out about the candidates and research their platforms. Right Izzy? Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] REAL Christianity
In a message dated 6/10/2003 1:23:57 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well it is still hearsay to me, so I don’t believe it. Izzy This friend was present at a recognition ceremony of some small Christian business owners. She was given the privilege of introducing a new cabinet member and was seated on the front row. She finished her introduction and was greeted by Pres Bush as she left the podium. He stood before her and told her and many others in the room that his goal was to open the doors for Christian business to get their materials into other countries so that the gospel could be spread throughout the world. My friend came away with complete assurance that George Bush is a man of God. This woman has more integrity than anyone I have ever met. She would not lie and how could she. The room was full of press and photographers. Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] REAL Christianity
In a message dated 6/10/2003 10:35:37 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has he personally told you this, or are you believing rightwing websites? Izzy This is from the personal witnesss of someone who was there in his presence and who is DEFINATELY credible. It is NOT from a website or paper or magazine. Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] REAL Christianity
In a message dated 6/10/2003 10:35:37 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Laura, I think that is a slanderous lie that you have been fed about GWBush. Has he personally told you this, or are you believing rightwing websites? Izzy THis is as personal as if I had been there. This is not a lie. Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] REAL Christianity
In a message dated 6/10/2003 9:05:16 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Laura: For me, the Jury is still out on this one. He no doubt talks the talk, but he is a Freemason, a member of secret organization that traces it's beginning to Nimrod, the builder of the tower of Babel. He not only bows to Jesus Christ. He also bows to a worshipful master. I hope this is done in ignorance, My husband was a Freemason but left when he realized. Much of it is a business relationship. They memorize a bunch of stuff and have no clue. I would suspect that he is not actively involved now. If you go back through history most political leaders in our country have some masonic roots. It is almost like an adult boy scouts. Not that I am condoning it. I do believe he is a man of God - in fact I have a close friend who was in his company and can attest to his belief. Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] REAL Christianity
In a message dated 6/10/2003 7:28:55 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: God decides who will rule. The Bible says so in several places. IMO, Since real Christians are a minority, and this is an ungodly country, He gives us ungodly leaders. Just the kind we deserve. You won't agree, of course, but that does not change the facts. Would you say that Pres Bush is an ungodly leader? Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] Gluttony & Exercise
I talked to Glenn over the weekend and told him about this thread. He said"tell TT Glenn says if one is one oz overweight in God's eyes they are not perfect and headed to hell if the perfect doctrine is correct. " He still has his touch! LOL Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] Gay Days at the Magic Kingdom
In a message dated 6/5/2003 7:42:10 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Excuse me, but I wasn’t trying to prevent you from doing either. Izzy I was kidding Laura
Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: [TruthTalk] Indianapolis police..'gluttony'
In a message dated 6/5/2003 9:59:27 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bodily exercise would profit a lot to an obese person. It might even save their life. However, saving their physical life is nothing compared to saving one's soul One commentator I read said that if we noticed the amount of practice and excercise that goes into preparing for a football season and then compared that with the amount of "excercise" we put into living a Godly life we would understand that excercise is not bad but that we need to put the same effort into our relationship with Christ. Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] Gay Days at the Magic Kingdom
In a message dated 6/4/2003 9:52:39 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Read about Gay Days at Disneyworld: No Thanks I bought my tickets today and I am going. Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] Indianapolis police..'gluttony'
In a message dated 6/3/2003 11:45:57 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: SLC/MMM is just like Disneyland--primarily concerned about humoring Americans in the here and now while rakin' in as much money as possible.. Ah Gary you had to throw that one in!!! LOL Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] Absent From The Body
At least it is interesting reading. Pass the marshmallows. PLEASE
Re: [Fwd: [TruthTalk] The walking dead]
In a message dated 5/28/2003 8:29:18 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LOL! Does that mean you are going to Disney World to minister to the homos? Hey--why don't we all show up on homo day and pass out tracts and evangelize! David M. can be our leader. Izzy NOPE I am going to Tampa to fellowship with other believers and to do the Grandma thing while my SIL and daughter minister and then we are going to see Mickey and the princesses with the little ones. OH Yes the 2 1/2 year old has her heart set on touring Mickey's house! Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] questioning motives
I just think that we have to understand that while one person may feel it is wrong to support or attend something another may not have the same problem. This is Christian liberty is it not?? For example I know people who will not stay in a Holiday Inn because at one time they offered (for a fee) in room porn movies. What about the recent boycotts against anything made in France? I saw the list and was amazed at the products we buy that are manufactured in France. To Terry I say if going to Disney is offensive to you then stay home. Also don't watch TV - Disney owns Lifetime, A & E and ESPN. OH And don't watch ABC either! The list goes on and on and this is just Disney. Laura
Re: [Fwd: [TruthTalk] The walking dead]
In a message dated 5/28/2003 6:57:12 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If He went there, it would only be to win the lost. If that is also your only reason for going, I apologise. Terry I'm going to a denominational convention and then staying to play! I believe Jesus took time to fellowship with friends too! Laura
Re: [Fwd: [TruthTalk] The walking dead]
In a message dated 5/27/2003 9:27:40 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was thinking more like , would I take Jesus there? I think Jesus would go in a heartbeat!!!
Re: [Fwd: [TruthTalk] The walking dead]
In a message dated 5/27/2003 8:48:02 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Suit yourself. Long list or compromise. Are we judging motives Do you want a complete list? I think you would all be surprised at all the things we would have to "boycott"
Re: [Fwd: [TruthTalk] The walking dead]
In a message dated 5/27/2003 7:38:56 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am surprised that either of you would do business with a company that has an annual "Gay Pride day". Terry Terry, If I refused to give money to any organization or business that supported things that offended me the list would be way too long. You have to take the good with the bad. No I don't like the fact that they have Gay Pride Day but I am in the world not of it. Laura
Re: [Fwd: [TruthTalk] The walking dead]
In a message dated 5/27/2003 5:30:02 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey Laura. I'm going in July also, with the whole family. I'm booked the nights of July 5th and 6th. Will you be there then? I sure would love to meet you and have you meet my family. No We will be in Tampa from the 19th until the 25th at a convention and then we are renting a car and driving to Orlando until the 30th. We are staying at Holiday Inn Kid Suites! They gave us the best deal plus kids eat free. Onsite was out of the question because we have to count the baby as a person and would need 2 rooms. This way we get a suite and it is totally a kids thing! Should be a great photo op week for the scrapbooks. The girls are excited. I'd love to meet your family also. Joani was glad to have met them. I am thinking of going to Jacksonville in Nov with Joani. Laura
Re: PROBABLE SPAM Re: [TruthTalk] Absent From The Body
Does anyone know how that phrase Probably SPam shows up in the subject line? Laura
Re: [Fwd: [TruthTalk] The walking dead]
My girls are fairly well monitored by their parents. We allow most of the disney stuff but discuss the fact that it is make believe. My daughter and her DH have elected not to go the Harry Potter route (the oldest is 9 and that is ok with her) Even the 4 yr old will come in and tell me when something they aren't allowed to watch comes on. We try to avoid the cartoons where the characters are rude or unkind to each other. It just is easier. We are going to DisneyWorld this summer so that should be interesting. July - are we nuts!!! We will be there anyway for a convention so we only have to pay airfare for me and 2 of the girls. Maybe we will get lucky and have decent weather. Laura, I would err on the side of keeping all non-edifying influences out of the lives of children, just as we should do as adults. Once an influence is allowed in, you can’t take it back out. Unfortunately, our 11 and 13 year olds are living with their mother and stepfather, and are allowed to watch and read things that we do not approve of in movies, books, games, etc. So we have to discuss what we as Christians should think about such things. With Harry Potter we talk about how the books make witches look cute and powerful, but what that really means in the Bible, etc. It is an opportunity to grow in spite of the bad influences. Izzy
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In a message dated 4/4/2003 12:44:56 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Izzy: G.W. was sworn in on a Masonic Bible, not the one that you read. Terry How do you know that it is not the same Bible. My husband had a Masonic Bible and it was a regular King James version. Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] Do I have to observe Saturday worship in order to be right wi...
That archive is handy. thanks Laura
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In a message dated 4/3/2003 10:00:19 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: but it was on CNN. If you watch long enough, they usually repeat all the news at least three times. Terry CNN and ABC are usually too liberal for me
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In a message dated 4/3/2003 9:42:06 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He is a Freemason. He bows down to a worshipful master. You cannot serve two masters. Many Christians are Free Masons and don't realize it is not a "Christian organization" My husband was until he left masonry - his issue was the fact that Jesus was not mentioned. Laura
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In a message dated 4/3/2003 8:16:24 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It will be interesting to see how many people still think Bush is a Christian six months from now. People who have been in his presence and have personally heard him speak have no doubt about his Christianity. Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers
In a message dated 3/21/2003 9:59:44 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have only given you warning that it is the Lord who weighs your boasting, so be very careful that your boasting is not considered arrogance to Him, who is Judge Glenn is the LEAST judgmental person I know. I'm not taking up for him but you need to realize that many of his views are because he is not a judgmental person. Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] The Sabbath Breaker of Numbers
In a message dated 3/21/2003 9:14:28 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus judged motives. Did he sin when he did this, or does he get a free pass because he supposedly was not really subject to human weaknesses? Jesus didn't have to judge motives - he knew the heart of man! Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] Free Computer Bible
In a message dated 3/25/2003 9:31:43 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you have a computer, you might want to take a peek What is the ISV version? Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] Shiloh
I certainly will pray for Shiloh keep us posted. Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] 2nd Commandment
In a message dated 2/25/2003 12:17:53 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have heard that the Amish, when house cleaning, will not clean mirrors because they do not want to see their image in them. Do you see a problem with using mirrors? The Amish women do not have mirrors because it is considered idolotry. They also do not put faces on the childrens dolls. But the kids do have baby dolls that are gorgeous from Germany with faces. I had some Amish friends when I lived in DE and I never saw a doll in Amish dress with a face but the little girls carried around these German baby dolls all the time. I tried to buy one at the Amish bookstore but they were out of them. For some strange reason it never seemed to be a conflict to me. They asked us not to take pictures of them with the faces showing. I looked at it as a cultural thing. These people may have some strange beliefs but they didn't shove them on anyone else and really believed it so that was fine with me. My friend was a wonderful hostess and very kind to us "english": people. They had no electricity but had a phone in the basement for business purposes and a generator in the shop so they could use the copy machine etc. It was an interesting culture. Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] Origin Of The Fish Symbol <>
This is a great example of a joy drainer! They drag you down and you soon are as negative as they are. Laura I once met a woman who saw a demon behind every bush. Everywhere she went she was doing “spiritual warfare”, all the time, even in her own house. This woman was NOT a pleasure to be around. And she was dwelling on the DEVIL; and not on JESUS. (And I think SHE was the one full of demons!) A dark, disturbing, downer of a person. How can one reflect the glory of the Lord if they are always looking on the dark side? Izzy
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In a message dated 2/23/2003 7:38:09 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To the evil, all things are evil, and to the pure, all things are pure. Let us learn what that means and avoid those who find evil everywhere. I am in agreement I am sick and tired of all the posts being negative. Can't we find something interesting and discuss it instead of finding everything evil? Laura
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David I found your insight interesting. Laura
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In a message dated 2/23/2003 3:02:59 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But to commemorate 'your' day and 'make a wish' and 'blow out the candles' is a purely Pagan practice of witchcraft. We celebrate birthdays and for the children especially put candles on ther cake. Call us pagan if you'd like! Laura
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And my point is that if a Christian is practicing these things and is NOT doing it for pagan reasons then so what? A fish symbol on a piece of jewelry is not going to send anyone to hell. Putting candles on a cake and celebrating a birthday is not going to send anyone to hell. Not knowing about Jesus and having the opportunity to have a relationship with Jesus will send someone to hell. Laura In a message dated 2/23/2003 1:38:41 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The point is that these Pagan practices are forbidden to God's people, yet "Christians" have adopted them. Unfortunately, "Christians" drive people into cults where they find shelter from such Pagan syncretism, practiced by "Christianity." "Christians" love to have it so. At the same time "Christians" throw out the good things that God gives us and call them "bondage." Go figure
Re: [TruthTalk] Happy Birthday?
Thank you thank you thank you. Now I don't have to turn off the smoke detectors on my birthday!!! Laura In a message dated 2/23/2003 12:54:32 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: First, you only have ONE birthday. Can a man enter the second time into his mother's womb? Ecclesiastes, the book of wisdom that rails against vanity, says: "A good name is better than precious ointment; and the day of death than the day of one's birth." Ecc. 7:1
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In a message dated 2/23/2003 11:23:15 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Patriarchs knew how old they were; but never did they observe a birthday. Cool from now on no birthdays! I can live with that one! Can you not admit that one can spend so much time trying to figure out what they can or can't do or eat that they have little time to spread the good news? Laura
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Here we go again. So what is the point. If we wear a fish with a cross engraved in it we are some kind of pagan??? I was taught the first example you listed but I am beginning to think that we could find something pagan about just about everything. Next thing we know we will find out that candles on birthday cakes are wrong - besides being a fire hazzard in my case! Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] hypnotism
In a message dated 2/14/2003 10:55:36 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Here’s a NEW topic: I hope somebody even cares. I saw a program on TV today about a hypnotist, and it got me to wondering about it. I’ve read in the past that hypnotism is a demonic thing and Christians should never do it, etc. I wonder what really is the truth about it. It is truly spooky. Any ideas? Izzy I would think that it puts a person into a situation where someone else's suggestion is accepted. Isn't it the power of suggestion that hypnotism is all about. That puts a person under someone elses power and it is likely that they would be a Christian. Even if they were we should be relying on God and not some other person. I think the whole thing opens a person up to major spiritual warfare. I have heard people say that if a person is a "born again" Christian then they can't be possessed by a demon but it sure seems to me that under some kind of hypnotic trance a demon could take control. Not something I'd want to dabble in - that's for sure. Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] Yes, to claim the law is not a curse is to sin
In a message dated 2/13/2003 10:04:15 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Perry, Obviously I am saved by the grace of God through faith in the shed Blood of Jesus Christ. Not one thing I do can erase a single sin from my life. "She who is forgiven much, loves much," and I have been forgiven of much! I never claimed to be "under the Law" as you and your itching-for-an-argument friends keep contending. This does not mean I disregard God's Commandments just because, "God will have to forgive me no matter what I do/don't do," as so many "Christians" seem to believe today. I do think one can grieve the Holy Spirit and incur severe judgment for it. I love His Commandments. I rejoice in obeying Him. NOT because I am trying to earn my salvation, but because I am grateful that I am saved, and I LOVE HIM!!! I think a big misunderstanding is happening here because there is a distinct difference between JUSTIFICATION (which is given to us automatically when we receive Christ as Lord), and SANCTIFICATION (which is something we work on, in cooperation with God's grace, throughout our lives.) I think Jerry Bridges stated it well in "The Discipline of Grace": "Justification and sanctification are inseparable. God never gives one without the other. Both have their source in the infinite love and free grace of God. Both are accomplished by faith. In justification we rely on what Christ did FOR us. In sanctification we rely on Christ to work IN us by His Holy Spirit. I justification, as well as regeneration, God acts in alone. In sanctification He works in us BUT ELICITS OUR RESPONSE TO COOPERATE WITH HIM. Our part, that is, our response to the HS's work and our cooperation with Him in His work is the pursuit of holiness." People who belittle those seeking after holy obedience to God are a reproach to God's grace. I am sure that is not what those screaming "I am all grace/no law" seek to do, but that is how it comes across. I agree with your comments and definition of Justification and Sanctification. I have a problem when someone doesn't see sanctification as an ongoing process. I think the greek verb is actually being sanctified or something. Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] Just a clarification from Glenn
In a message dated 2/10/2003 3:59:54 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We are redeemed from the law's curse, not from the law. The way Glenn talks, people need to be saved from the law. The way Glenn talks, the law and sin are the same thing. The law is a curse; the law is bad for us; the law is sin. But none of this is true. Nobody needs to be saved from the law. We need to be saved from sin. I don't know about Glenn but I am saved by grace and am not under the law. Jesus took the curse of the law upon him when he took my place at Calvary. Maybe The problem is semantics. I just know I am dead to the law. BTW I read your entire post but just didn't highlight it so people didn't have to wade through everything. Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] Just a clarification from Glenn
Glenn is right here - Galations 3:13 makes that clear. Have you bothered to read it! Glenn wrote: >The law is a curse ... Gal. 3:13 Men and brethren, It grieves me to hear someone claim that the law is a curse. This was the testimony of false witnesses against men of God, claiming that they blasphemed the law and taught against the law (Acts 6:13). Nowhere in the Bible does it teach us that the law is a curse. Rather, the testimony of Scripture is as follows: Romans 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Psalm 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. Please, let us not blaspheme against the holy and righteous law of God. Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida USA
Re: [TruthTalk] Depraved minds
If they are under conviction then they are still being drawn by the Holy Spirit. As long as the HS is drawing them then God hasn't written them off. Laura how long one can be under conviction and refuse to repent without God writing that person off That’s the Big Question!!! (I can think of a few that I wish He would have zapped a long time ago!) What happens when God “writes them off”? Does He kill them, or just let them run around making other people unhappy for the rest of their natural lives? Here’s another question: When God turns someone over to a reprobate mind, is there still a chance for them to repent? Could it be a way of trying to get them to repent, by experiencing the full judgment of their depravity? A related question is this: Does God bring the lost under judgment (ie: experiencing the penalty of their rebellion in order to try to get them to repent), or just Believers? Here’s another: Have you ever experienced God’s judgment? If so, how did you know it was His judgment? How did you repent? Were you glad it happened afterwards? Izzy
Re: [TruthTalk] Thus saith YahShua
Is Glenn the prophet???
Re: [TruthTalk] Truth on Lent
In a message dated 2/8/2003 9:46:41 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As you said, people “give up things that aren’t good for them anyway”—so what’s the point? Does this make you any holier or closer to God? Not in my opinion Even though it amazes me, I know I am under the grace of God plus nothing else. I consider much of that stuff to be works. But if someone feels they need to observe Lent than have at it. Not for me though. Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] Truth On GroundHog Day
WOW Funny that living near PA I never heard of it! Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] Truth on Lent
So should we tell people that are celebrating Lent that they are wrong? Hardly most of them are not doing anything wrong. I think we get so hung up on all this stuff that we boggle our minds with it and can't do any good at all. To most people I know Lent is simply the 40 day period before Easter and a good time for personal reflection and possible giving something up that isn't good for them anyway. I can't see God getting too upset if someone uses this for good. Just curious to what you all think! Question is - is it wrong for someone to celebrate something even if the roots are pagan IF they aren't doing it for pagan reasons? Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] Truth On GroundHog Day
Marlin that was very interesting! I am from DE and it is not far from that PA area that was mentioned. Funny thing, They do the groundhog thing but I never heard of any other celebration. Are you sure they still celebrate Candlemas? Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] Thus saith YahShua
In a message dated 2/8/2003 10:05:45 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: in sum, then, Marlin keeps the Law at least on Saturday; (fair?)Izzy keeps all biblical law literally every day; DavidM keeps it all spiritually (whatever that means); and, MD (and Dr. GT) say/s law keeping is death I'm confused I want to keep the law but keep messing up! Laura Some explain what it means. I'm so glad I have God's grace though.
Re: [TruthTalk] For the Record II
I can't resist Can we really go here and have a Sabbath meeting? Laura Sabbath Meeting Transcript "Acts 15: verse by verse" Join the live chat room where the Sabbath meetings are held at http://www.eliyah.com/chat/ Wayne - Almighty loving and Merciful Father YHWH, we come before You in prayer through Your Son , our High Priest and Mediator, Yahushua HaMashiach! Wayne - Father thank Ye for this day of rest as it is well needed both Spiritually and physicly Wayne - Father thank You for allowing us this site to fellowship study and Praise Your Awsome Name Wayne - Father help us to be strong in times of endurance Wayne - Help us in times when we feel alone and sad, and uplift us with Your Shalom and love and Joy Wayne - Father abase any uncleanlyness within our hearts and create a clean heart within, circucise the flesh within our hearts and help us to strive for perfection as Ye are Perfect Wayne - Father Thank You for all we have, we are truely a blessed people, help us not to forget "love", for what is our walk without it? Wayne - Father help us to be meek and kind, longsuffering with oneanother and to be as abasodors to Your Glorious Name Wayne - Father May You help us overcome help us to walk on the straight and narrow, to walk in Your Ways! Wayne - Father please give the speaker here tonight Your Words, and bless us all with what is spoken of this day and always Wayne - Father in Yahushua`s Name we give Ye thanks and Praise! Wayne - So let Thy will be done! Wayne - HalleluYAH! HalleluYAH!
Re: [TruthTalk] God and war
I'm not even dignifying this one with an answer! I will spend my time doing something worthwhile for the kingdom of God! Laura o/ !HALALU Yah! \o/ Greetings in the Matchless Name of YahShua !! >Pledging to the flag is a personal thing. That's just what homosexuals, abortion supporters, and a whole slew of other sinners say! >I think it is my responsibility to respect my country and the authorities and I think that is biblical. Lots of people "think" lots of things are biblical but that don't make it so. II Timothy 2:15-22 >I pledge to the flag and am proud that I do it. Proverbs 16:18 >As for McDonalds - hard to do the gramma thing and avoid that one totally! Not if you truly LOVE The SAVIOUR! Proverbs 16:17 >Also if you don't patronize them then don't go to Home Depot or Dillards either - No problem there. > AND I'm sure there are more! Will you so hastily reject them also? Proverbs 16:16 >Like hotel chains that have the option of seeing porn on the TV ! You do that? SHAME ON YOU! >We could get really legalistic here. Laura -- Matthew 7:13 "Stick and stones" etc. Chris -- Matthew 7:14 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01/28/2003 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God and war In a message dated 1/28/2003 7:53:17 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Second, I stopped "pledgin" to the flag long ago. It just doesn't set well with me Scripturally speaking.
Re: [TruthTalk] God and war
OK So you don't pledge to the flag but how about to the country it represents which is one nation under God? Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] God and war
In a message dated 1/28/2003 7:53:17 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Second, I stopped "pledgin" to the flag long ago. It just doesn't set well with me Scripturally speaking. Pledging to the flag is a personal thing. I think it is my responsibility to respect my country and the authorities and I think that is biblical. I pledge to the flag and am proud that I do it. As for McDonalds - hard to do the gramma thing and avoid that one totally! Also if you don't patronize them then don't go to Home Depot or Dillards either - AND I'm sure there are more! Like hotel chains that have the option of seeing porn on the TV ! We could get really legalistic here. Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] How is Marlin?
In a message dated 1/27/2003 5:57:38 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Point understood. There are those who worship a doctrine or written word rather than the Creator who made the doctrine or inspired the word. --Marlin Marlin This is scary - I actually agree with you on this one! Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fwd: [www.washtimes.com] Jefferson, Roe & Wade
In a message dated 1/23/2003 8:13:22 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In St. Louis we need to learn ice fishing—it’s going to be 7 below zero (that’s Fahrenheit for you Outlanders!) Izzy Hey Izzy we may have you beat! And I have to drive east tomorrow. Thankfully it is on the main roads. Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fwd: [www.washtimes.com] Jefferson, Roe & Wade
In a message dated 1/23/2003 4:29:35 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can we talk sport now? Sure what sport do you want to talk about? :0)
Re: [TruthTalk] Stand for the Unborn!
Maybe this will answer some of the questions. laura Blood Circulation in the Fetus and Newborn How does the fetal circulatory system work? During pregnancy, the fetal circulatory system works differently than after birth: The fetus is connected by the umbilical cord to the placenta, the organ that develops and implants in the mother's uterus during pregnancy. Through the blood vessels in the umbilical cord, the fetus receives all the necessary nutrition, oxygen, and life support from the mother through the placenta. Waste products and carbon dioxide from the fetus are sent back through the umbilical cord and placenta to the mother's circulation to be eliminated. Blood from the mother enters the fetus through the vein in the umbilical cord. It goes to the liver and splits into three branches. The blood then reaches the inferior vena cava, a major vein connected to the heart. Inside the fetal heart: Blood enters the right atrium, the chamber on the upper right side of the heart. Most of the blood flows to the left side through a special fetal opening between the left and right atria, called the foramen ovale. Blood then passes into the left ventricle (lower chamber of the heart) and then to the aorta, (the large artery coming from the heart). >From the aorta, blood is sent to the head and upper extremities. After circulating there, the blood returns to the right atrium of the heart through the superior vena cava. About one third of the blood entering the right atrium does not flow through the foramen ovale, but, instead, stays in the right side of the heart, eventually flowing into the pulmonary artery. Because the placenta does the work of exchanging oxygen (O2) and carbon dioxide (CO2) through the mother's circulation, the fetal lungs are not used for breathing. Instead of blood flowing to the lungs to pick up oxygen and then flowing to the rest of the body, the fetal circulation shunts (bypasses) most of the blood away from the lungs. In the fetus, blood is shunted from the pulmonary artery to the aorta through a connecting blood vessel called the ductus arteriosus. With the first breaths of air the baby takes at birth, the fetal circulation changes. A larger amount of blood is sent to the lungs to pick up oxygen. Because the ductus arteriosus is no longer needed, it begins to wither and close off. The circulation in the lungs increases and more blood flows into the left atrium of the heart. This increased pressure causes the foramen ovale to close and blood circulates normally. Useful Features send this page to a friend send an ecard to a patient make a donation rate this page printer friendly page * Health information Legal Disclaimer * ©1999-2003, Cincinnati Children's Hospital Medical Center Burnet Avenue, Cincinnati, Ohio 45229-3039 513-636-4200 | 1-800-344-2462 Legal Notice
Re: [TruthTalk] Stand for the Unborn!
In a message dated 1/23/2003 12:14:10 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mary had miscarried early on, would that mean Jesus would have died prior to the cross? Isn't it possible that the Spirit of Jesus did not get imparted into the fetus until sometime after the fetus had developed? The Hebrew Scriptures say that the soul is in the blood. Is is possible that there must be a circulation system in order for the soul to inhabit the body? SO when does the circulation system begin? Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fwd: [www.washtimes.com] Jefferson, Roe & Wade
In a message dated 1/22/2003 11:54:19 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/~epe Peter I noticed on your website a link to UT? What is your connection to Tennessee? Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] Stand for the Unborn!
This is my belief Laura Five signs of life in the womb: 1. Heartbeat Modern technology can detect a baby's heartbeat eighteen days after conception. That is only four days after most women miss a period and begin to suspect they are pregnant. Most abortions are not performed until the eighth week (56 days) of a pregnancy, or a little later. 2. Brain waves Six weeks after conception signals from the fetal brain can be detected. Dream patterns have been discovered around the eighth or ninth week. Perhaps more advanced technology will someday show us heartbeats and brain waves at even earlier stages in the unborn child's life. 3. Independent movement At about the sixth week, the baby in the womb can move spontaneously: Kicking, swimming, jumping and stretching. This is long before the mother will feel any sensations of movement. 4. Senses A baby in the womb is capable of responding to touch and sound by about the eighth or tenth week. A child at that age will move away from painful stimuli, the most painful of which would be the abortionist's instrument. 5. Breathing By about the fourteenth week, a baby's lungs are functioning and he or she will practice breathing. Vocal cords are formed by the thirteenth week, and were it not for a lack of air, the baby could be heard to cry! >From the very beginning, once a human egg is fertilized by sperm, there exists a new human being. All information about the child's sex, hair color, eye color, and much more is already present from the beginning.
Re: [TruthTalk] Stand for the Unborn!
In a message dated 1/21/2003 4:27:55 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I saw snow on the ground once when I was driven across the Sierra-Nevadas from Sacramento to Las Vegas. Apart from that I have difficulty with the concept of actually living in such cold places. Maybe I should say that if God wanted us to live in snow and ice he would have given us Polar bear hair instead of skin. Oh my word you need to come to Nashville! We had 7 inches and it kept the city paralyzed for 3 days! It's gone now but we are supposed to get flurries later this week. Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] Dr. Laura and the Sabbath Day
I have no doubt that she practices on Saturday. My point is that she doesn't say everyone has to observe Sat. I still say Sat or Sun is just fine. Laura Laura wrote: >I have no doubt that she keeps a Sabbath Day >but this article doesn't say it is Saturday. I have no doubt that it is Saturday that she observes as Sabbath. :-) What other day would it be? She's Jewish, not Christian. Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida USA
Re: [TruthTalk] Dr. Laura and the Sabbath Day
I have no doubt that she keeps a Sabbath Day but this article doesn't say it is Saturday. Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] Broken bones 101, etc.
Sorry Marlin, that you have been ill and hope you are on the road to feeling better. They say that flu is nasty. I have heard that hot lemonade or pineapple juice is helpful! Laura
[TruthTalk] TV vs. The Ten Commandments
Thought you all might enjoy this TV vs. THE TEN COMMANDMENTS by Joseph Walker Several thousand years ago a man named Moses came down from a mountain with some guidelines for living he called The Ten Commandments. Through the years those ten simple rules have proven to be timeless, and men and women the world over have viewed them as a pattern by which to govern themselves. Until now. Now American television knows better. It isn't just that television chooses not to advocate strict adherence to the 10 Commandments -- in many cases it is offering to the public entertainment options that actively work against 10 Commandment principles. For example: 1. "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." Is there any more sacred rite in all of contemporary society than the Super Bowl? Not only does television genuflect before god-like athletes and coaches for an entire week of Super Bowl build-up and hyperbole, but it also uses this spectacle more than any other to worship at the feet of the Almighty Advertiser. 2. "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image." Television is big on idol worship. From His Airness Michael Jordan to Pop Diva Britney Spears, TV fawns on its idols with sacramental devotion. And when it runs out of real idols to adore it creates more of its own through programs like the appropriately named "American Idol." 3. "Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain." While you could substitute the title for almost any sitcom here, the "Friends" friends deserve special mention for using the phrase "oh my [deity]" so often you'd think each episode was part prayer meeting. 4. "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy." If there's one thing television doesn't understand, it's the concept of "holy." While there are exceptions to the rule like "Touched By An Angel" and "Seventh Heaven," for the most part television is suspicious of church-goers and casts a skeptical, suspicious eye at anyone who holds anything sacred. 5. "Honor thy father and thy mother." Years ago it was "Father Knows Best." Now it's "Meet the Osborns." What's to honor? 6. "Thou shalt not kill" -- unless you can attract big ratings and critical acclaim for doing it, like "The Sopranos." Then by all means, whack away. 7. "Thou shalt not commit adultery." Where would "Jerry Springer" be without infidelity? Or, for that matter, incest? Or transvestitism? Or sado-masochism? Or... well, just about any gruesome possibility the most warped mind could possibly concoct? 8. "Thou shalt not steal." Steal. Cheat. Fabricate. Do whatever it takes to win. No, we're not talking about the NFL again. We're talking about "Survivor" and other "reality"-based shows that actually have about as much to do with reality as a Road Runner cartoon. 9. "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor." So what can you say about a television program in which the entire premise is built upon a lie? That maybe the gold-digging women who are sucked into "Joe Millionaire's" televised deceit deserve what they get? 10. "Thou shalt not covet." This commandment had to be the first to go. I mean, you can't do a decent beer commercial without a little coveting, can you? Which makes you wonder: What would Moses have thought about beer commercials? Something tells me he would have taken one look and headed back up the mountain. And taken the 10 Commandments with him. -- Joseph Walker --- Begin Message --- ___ ~ Welcome to Heartwarmers ~ http://www.heartwarmers.com";>http://www.heartwarmers.com The best thing to happen to mornings since the Sun! Your morning thought for the day: Television has proved that people will look at anything rather than each other. -- Ann Landers Heartwarmer Gem, Joe Walker, has just about had it with the programs on television these days. He is quite outspoken in today's thought provoking column and compares television fare with the Ten Commandents. What do you think? ___ SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS They keep our service "priceless". __ *** PROVEN Spiritual Healing System *** Gently transform your life by tapping into the power of spiritual growth! Most self help programs fail because they, to some degree, use "will power." This proven 7-part system uses a process of spiritual discovery that naturally brings more health, enjoyment in life, prosperity, and Love into your life. Click here for details: http://www.spiritualityforall.com/ads/heartw.html";>http://www.spiritualityforall.com/ads/heartw.html __ IS IT TIME YOU CAME OUT OF HIDING? Are you called to do big things in life but you're afraid to begin them? Do you avoid your own gift
Re: [TruthTalk] The relationship between Torah observance and eternal life.
In a message dated 1/14/2003 10:11:50 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "to turn and go in another direction" Is repentance going in any other direction? Or is repentance going in the right direction? Turn from something as in sin and self "unless you repent you will all likewise perish" Luke 13:3b Turn to Someone - trust Christ only "Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures and He was buried and rose again accorcing to the scriptures" 1 Cor 15:3b-4 These are answers to the word repent from a test I just had to take. Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] The relationship between Torah observance and eternal life.
Good answers Terry, I agree with them. Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] Godly diet
I don't know why it does but I recognized it as an old email. Wierd isn't it??? Laura
