RE: Re: [TruthTalk] Fair and Balanced

2005-01-21 Thread Slade Henson



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slade

  -Original Message-From: Dave HansenSent: 
  Friday, 21 January, 2005 01.18Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fair and 
  BalancedDAVEH:   HmmDid you know 
  that the 
  liberal 
  press has the same number of letters as street 
  preachers..is your typowriter screwing up again, Izzy!   
  :-) 




RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread Slade Henson
Really? Uh-oham I gonna get a spanking???

Kay

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Oh, boy, Kay--did you ever open a can of worms.  Maybe you'd better check
out the archives on mormon underwear. :-) Izzy

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I just HAVE to ask...
Are Mormon undies different than anyone else's undies??? Were they female
Mormon undies? Did the preachers get them as prizes??
Dang...I always thought Mormons didn't wear undies.

:)

Kay

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Locke
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>From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>Charles Perry Locke wrote:
>
>>DaveH,
>>
>>  Something is being twisted here beyond it's bounds. The term "street
>>preacher" refers to all evangelicals that preach in the open air, but you
>>are using it to refer to those that offend you.
>
>DAVEH:  ???   I don't recall saying any of the street preachers offended
>me.  Are you certain that is what you think I said, Perry?  If so, may I
>suggest you misunderstood me.

So, you were not offended by anything the street preachers you have heard or
read about in SLC a year or two ago, waving mormon undies and yelling and
shouting at people at the GC? If that did not offend you at all, then I have
misrepresented your feelings on the issue.


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RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread Slade Henson
I just HAVE to ask...
Are Mormon undies different than anyone else's undies??? Were they female
Mormon undies? Did the preachers get them as prizes??
Dang...I always thought Mormons didn't wear undies.

:)

Kay

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>From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>Charles Perry Locke wrote:
>
>>DaveH,
>>
>>  Something is being twisted here beyond it's bounds. The term "street
>>preacher" refers to all evangelicals that preach in the open air, but you
>>are using it to refer to those that offend you.
>
>DAVEH:  ???   I don't recall saying any of the street preachers offended
>me.  Are you certain that is what you think I said, Perry?  If so, may I
>suggest you misunderstood me.

So, you were not offended by anything the street preachers you have heard or
read about in SLC a year or two ago, waving mormon undies and yelling and
shouting at people at the GC? If that did not offend you at all, then I have
misrepresented your feelings on the issue.


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RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread Slade Henson



Hehehe...homegrown sheep are the best
 
Kay

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  ShieldsFamilySent: Thursday, 20 January, 2005 
  08.22To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: 
  [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
  
  Ohh!  How 
  could you (I’m not 
  going to ask how that lonely little sheep ended up all alone!) 
  Izzy
   
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Slade 
  HensonSent: Thursday, 
  January 20, 2005 7:18 AMTo: 
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  Christian?
   
  
  The kind you eat! 
  :)
  
   
  
  Kay
  
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Thursday, 20 January, 2005 
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Christian?
How sad!!! We need 
sheep for our Sheltie who has no way to run off her energy except to chase 
squirrels.  She gets very upset when they run up a tree (very 
un-sheeplike.) Then I could take up spinning my own yarn for knitting 
scarves! What kind did you have/are you going to get? 
Izzy
 




From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Slade 
HensonSent: Thursday, 
January 20, 2005 5:55 AMTo: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a 
Christian?
 

We didn't need our 
dog to help. In fact, she would scatter them more! Sheep are very 
interesting...for instance, you have to have more than one. They die without 
a 'buddy". If one dies, they do NOT leave their dead friend. Many, many 
things we can learn from sheep. We'll be getting sheep again 
soon

 

Kay
-Original 
  Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Debbie 
  SawczakSent: Wednesday, 
  19 January, 2005 17.03To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  
  [Debbie] Don't 
  you sometimes have to get a dog to help round them up? (Does the dog 
  bark? I wonder if the sheep feel pushed or intimidated by the dog, or does 
  the dog make them think it's their idea to go in a certain 
  direction...)
  
   
  
  I wonder if it's 
  possible that street preaching, while not necessarily passé in any 
  theological sense, is just not the ideal medium for 
  our culture; you have to violate too many cultural norms to do it. I 
  notice we are much more culturally sensitive (or at least we'd 
  acknowledge the value of such sensitivity) when it comes to communicating 
  to cultures other than our own. If, for example, it was kind of rude 
  to give a gift with your left hand, we wouldn't do it, even if the gift 
  was a Bible and our right arm was sore. If it was rude to come to the 
  point about anything without first spending an hour on small talk 
  about our relatives, over tea, we would be sure and do that. But some 
  SPs flout NAm cultural norms fairly 
  routinely and (IMO) unnecessarily. --Not that that's the worst thing you 
  can do, and I'm willing to believe their motives are mostly pure (see 
  rejected analogy below).
  
   
  
  Maybe 
  in Bible times it was more usual for anybody with a message 
  to shout it out in a public place. Most public shouting in our 
  culture is done by ticket-scalpers, circus-barkers, and certain kinds 
  of political demonstrators. Other public messages are generally delivered 
  by other means.
  
   
  
  Someone might 
  want to use an analogy of the kind, "What if there's a comet about to hit 
  the earth and you have to tell everybody to head for higher ground?" But 
  the analogy isn't appropriate.
  
   
  
  Debbie      
  
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Message-From: 
Slade Henson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 
7:11 AMTo: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a 
Christian?

Au contraire, 
contraire, preacher! All you have to do is lead...they follow. You never 
have to udder (hehehe...I know that's for cows) a word to 
them.

 

Kay, who has 
raised sheep with Slade

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  Message-From: 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Tuesday, 
  18 January, 2005 22.05To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is 
  a Christian?
  

RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-20 Thread Slade Henson



When 
the air hits the cancer, the cancer spreads much quicker and kills the 
patient.
 
Kay

  -Original Message-From: 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Thursday, 20 January, 2005 08.35To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Street 
  Preaching
  Some wounds need to be cut wide open to remove the cancer of sin only 
  then can you apply the healing balm of Gilead.
  Some are farther along in the process and are like ripe fruit ready to be 
  plucked from fire
  Some plant some water, some needs to prepare the ground.
  Hopefully we have the spiritual discernment to see which is which.
  Hopefully we are not stuck in One Gear
  I don't preach Hell Fire & Damnation to the crowd going to a Kiddie 
  Show at the Arena
  I try to use the Sword of the word, with 
discernment




RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread Slade Henson



The 
kind you eat! :)
 
Kay

  -Original Message-From: 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of 
  ShieldsFamilySent: Thursday, 20 January, 2005 
  08.08To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: 
  [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
  
  How sad!!! We need 
  sheep for our Sheltie who has no way to run off her energy except to chase 
  squirrels.  She gets very upset when they run up a tree (very 
  un-sheeplike.) Then I could take up spinning my own yarn for knitting scarves! 
  What kind did you have/are you going to get? Izzy
   
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Slade 
  HensonSent: Thursday, 
  January 20, 2005 5:55 AMTo: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
   
  
  We didn't need our 
  dog to help. In fact, she would scatter them more! Sheep are very 
  interesting...for instance, you have to have more than one. They die without a 
  'buddy". If one dies, they do NOT leave their dead friend. Many, many things 
  we can learn from sheep. We'll be getting sheep again 
  soon
  
   
  
  Kay
  
-Original 
Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Debbie SawczakSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 
17.03To: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a 
Christian?

[Debbie] Don't 
you sometimes have to get a dog to help round them up? (Does the dog 
bark? I wonder if the sheep feel pushed or intimidated by the dog, or does 
the dog make them think it's their idea to go in a certain 
direction...)

 

I wonder if it's 
possible that street preaching, while not necessarily passé in any 
theological sense, is just not the ideal medium for our 
culture; you have to violate too many cultural norms to do it. I notice we 
are much more culturally sensitive (or at least we'd acknowledge the 
value of such sensitivity) when it comes to communicating to cultures other 
than our own. If, for example, it was kind of rude to give a gift with 
your left hand, we wouldn't do it, even if the gift was a Bible and our 
right arm was sore. If it was rude to come to the point about anything 
without first spending an hour on small talk about our relatives, over 
tea, we would be sure and do that. But some SPs flout 
NAm cultural norms fairly 
routinely and (IMO) unnecessarily. --Not that that's the worst thing you can 
do, and I'm willing to believe their motives are mostly pure (see rejected 
analogy below).

 

Maybe in Bible 
times it was more usual for anybody with a message to shout it out 
in a public place. Most public shouting in our culture is done by 
ticket-scalpers, circus-barkers, and certain kinds of political 
demonstrators. Other public messages are generally delivered by other 
means.

 

Someone might want 
to use an analogy of the kind, "What if there's a comet about to hit the 
earth and you have to tell everybody to head for higher ground?" But the 
analogy isn't appropriate.
    
     
    
Debbie  
-Original 
  Message-From: Slade 
  Henson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 
  7:11 AMTo: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  
  Au contraire, 
  contraire, preacher! All you have to do is lead...they follow. You never 
  have to udder (hehehe...I know that's for cows) a word to 
  them.
  
   
  
  Kay, who has 
  raised sheep with Slade
  
-Original 
Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin 
DeeganSent: Tuesday, 
18 January, 2005 22.05To: 
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Christian?

Can't get em by your zipped lip 
either!Jeff Powers 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 


perfect 
analogy!

  
      - Original Message 
  - 
  
  From: 
  Slade Henson 
  
  
  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  
  Sent: 
  Tuesday, January 18, 2005 20:45
  
  Subject: 
  RE: [TruthTalk] What is a 
Christian?
  
   
  
  What do you 
  think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone 
  astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and 
  search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it, 
  truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-n

RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-20 Thread Slade Henson
Glad you're enjoying them. I'm actually going to pretend I'm going to work
today...have a case. And I'll just HAVE to needle in some discussion with my
boss on the ride out there. He would not be "gotten" by yelling at him,
either. Gently, ever so gently. Most people are very fragile. At least the
ones I've come in contact with. They have such massive wounds that need
tender care to begin the healing process, not busting them open to make them
gape open, bleed, and fester. In my experience, I've found that only leads
to more pain, infection, and ultimately death.

Kay


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Thursday, 20 January, 2005 07.22
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching


More, please!


----- Original Message -
From: "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: January 20, 2005 07:18
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching


> You're welcome. I've got another one, too, that illustrates maybe more of
an
> "in your face" or shocking example:
> When I was in jail, I met alot of different women. Since my case was
highly
> publicized, I received a ton of mail. There was excitement daily when it
was
> mail call time. The guards would get upset with the amount of mail I
> received and it tickled the women. Anything upsetting to the guards
tickled
> them!
> Anyhow, many of the people from Missionaries to the Pre-Born wrote me
> regularly and some came to visit. (Boy, did those times freak out the
> guards!) And they sent tracts. When I first opened a large envelope loaded
> with them, I attempted to keep them hidden as I thought these hardened
> criminal women would be offended. *I* didn't think they were ready for
> something as blatant as photos of dead, aborted babies. *I* should NOT
have
> thought because I thought WRONG. (I happened to be in jail very soon after
> huge busts at a Grateful Dead concert and the jail was pretty crowded.)
> These women LOVED the tracts. So much so, that I had to call Matt collect
> and ask him to have his people send in MORE. The women would take the
tracts
> and photos, and write to relatives they hadn't spoken to in years or were
> having problems with. Dear Mom...this was the child I never had because
you
> made me get an abortion. Dear Joe: This could have been your son. And so
on.
> It was really cool to watch. These women came to me regularly and told
their
> "secrets." I did not see them as "criminals" or dykes, or whores, or crack
> heads, or nuts, but as real, hurting human beings and treated them as
such.
> There were only two of "us Believers" in the can amongst all the "dredges
of
> society". Some of the women were/are the neatest people I've ever met.
>
> Kay
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Lance Muir
> Sent: Thursday, 20 January, 2005 06.53
> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching
>
>
> Thanks for this
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: January 20, 2005 06:37
> Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching
>
>
> > I've got a dumb question then
> > They're all drunk and stoopid by then. Why bother?
> >
> > Okay...I'll stick my neck out here. I used to go to Dance Clubs. I used
to
> > take people's keys and drive them home. I used to talk to them and
witness
> > to them on the way to their homes, which I found didn't work. They
didn't
> > remember because they were so drunk. The next morning, I would go back
to
> > their homes, take them back to the club for their cars, and return their
> > keys. I've done this on many occasions. Every time, they've asked WHY.
> That
> > opens the door, and I get to talk to them. Like real people;
understanding
> > them. Several times I went with several of my Believing friends. There
> were
> > people inside every single time who were "ripe" to listen. They came to
> us.
> > I would rather be inside the joint, with the people, rather than
hollering
> > at them outside.
> >
> > Kay
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Miller
> > Sent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 18.42
> > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching
> >
> >
> > Slade wrote:
> > > I will consider your offer. Usually I
> > > go to Synagogue on Friday evenings
> > >

RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-20 Thread Slade Henson
You're welcome. I've got another one, too, that illustrates maybe more of an
"in your face" or shocking example:
When I was in jail, I met alot of different women. Since my case was highly
publicized, I received a ton of mail. There was excitement daily when it was
mail call time. The guards would get upset with the amount of mail I
received and it tickled the women. Anything upsetting to the guards tickled
them!
Anyhow, many of the people from Missionaries to the Pre-Born wrote me
regularly and some came to visit. (Boy, did those times freak out the
guards!) And they sent tracts. When I first opened a large envelope loaded
with them, I attempted to keep them hidden as I thought these hardened
criminal women would be offended. *I* didn't think they were ready for
something as blatant as photos of dead, aborted babies. *I* should NOT have
thought because I thought WRONG. (I happened to be in jail very soon after
huge busts at a Grateful Dead concert and the jail was pretty crowded.)
These women LOVED the tracts. So much so, that I had to call Matt collect
and ask him to have his people send in MORE. The women would take the tracts
and photos, and write to relatives they hadn't spoken to in years or were
having problems with. Dear Mom...this was the child I never had because you
made me get an abortion. Dear Joe: This could have been your son. And so on.
It was really cool to watch. These women came to me regularly and told their
"secrets." I did not see them as "criminals" or dykes, or whores, or crack
heads, or nuts, but as real, hurting human beings and treated them as such.
There were only two of "us Believers" in the can amongst all the "dredges of
society". Some of the women were/are the neatest people I've ever met.

Kay

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Thursday, 20 January, 2005 06.53
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching


Thanks for this


- Original Message -
From: "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: January 20, 2005 06:37
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching


> I've got a dumb question then
> They're all drunk and stoopid by then. Why bother?
>
> Okay...I'll stick my neck out here. I used to go to Dance Clubs. I used to
> take people's keys and drive them home. I used to talk to them and witness
> to them on the way to their homes, which I found didn't work. They didn't
> remember because they were so drunk. The next morning, I would go back to
> their homes, take them back to the club for their cars, and return their
> keys. I've done this on many occasions. Every time, they've asked WHY.
That
> opens the door, and I get to talk to them. Like real people; understanding
> them. Several times I went with several of my Believing friends. There
were
> people inside every single time who were "ripe" to listen. They came to
us.
> I would rather be inside the joint, with the people, rather than hollering
> at them outside.
>
> Kay
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Miller
> Sent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 18.42
> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching
>
>
> Slade wrote:
> > I will consider your offer. Usually I
> > go to Synagogue on Friday evenings
> > (it begins at 8:00 PM).
>
> When do you get out?  I have found it most productive to preach around
10:00
> pm until 3:30 am.  The 2:00 am to 3:30 am time is often best.
>
>
> --
> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may
know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6)
http://www.InnGlory.org
>
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RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread Slade Henson



There 
are also lots of them in jails.
When I 
worked with the mentally ill...many years agoI was absolutely POSITIVE many 
of them were indeed possessed.
Oh, 
boy, this can raise lots of questions...
 
Kay

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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of 
  ShieldsFamilySent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 
  17.31To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: 
  [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
  
  Speaking of which—are 
  there any opinions on schizophrenia being chemical vs demonic?  Today 
  while I was in an auxiliary meeting at the hospital a schizo. woman outside 
  our meeting room in the cafeteria started ranting and carrying on so 
  loud.  Security had to deal with her.  She was talking about God and 
  at first I thought it was a street preacher. J  I felt so 
  sorry for her.  Later one of the cafeteria workers told me that she has 
  worked there 6 years and knows the woman, who is usually so sweet, but has 
  these “spells” when she stops taking her meds.  (Typical of 
  schizophrenics.)  It’s such a terrible debilitating condition, and seems 
  to affect most of the homeless who aren’t just junkies.  
  Izzy
   
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Slade 
  HensonSent: Wednesday, 
  January 19, 2005 8:02 AMTo: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
   
  
  They aren't much into 
  "testing the spirits" any longer, are they? Nor are they into taking 
  medications that can help take the voices 
  away
  
   
  
  K.
  
-Original 
Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 
08.33To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a 
Christian?

As long as you agree that sheep are representative 
of Christians.

Sheople today will follow any 
voiceSlade 
Henson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

  
  Au contraire, 
  contraire, preacher! All you have to do is lead...they follow. You never 
  have to udder (hehehe...I know that's for cows) a word to 
  them.
  
   
  
  Kay, who has 
  raised sheep with Slade
  
-Original 
Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin 
DeeganSent: Tuesday, 
18 January, 2005 22.05To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a 
Christian?

Can't get em by your zipped lip 
either!Jeff Powers 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 


perfect 
analogy!

  
  - Original Message 
  - 
      
  From: 
  Slade Henson 
  
  
  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  
  Sent: 
  Tuesday, January 18, 2005 20:45
  
  Subject: 
  RE: [TruthTalk] What is a 
Christian?
  
   
  
  What do you 
  think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone 
  astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and 
  search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it, 
  truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine 
  which have not gone astray.
  Anyone who 
  has raised sheep knows you can't get the lost sheep to come back to 
  the fold by chasing and screaming at her.
  - 
  slade
  
-Original 
Message-From: Kevin 
DeeganSent: 
Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 18.40Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What 
is a Christian?

I have been easy on Dave this go 
round.  


Would you agree 
Dave?



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RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread Slade Henson



We 
didn't need our dog to help. In fact, she would scatter them more! Sheep are 
very interesting...for instance, you have to have more than one. They die 
without a 'buddy". If one dies, they do NOT leave their dead friend. Many, many 
things we can learn from sheep. We'll be getting sheep again 
soon
 
Kay

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Debbie 
  SawczakSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 17.03To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  [Debbie] Don't you sometimes have to get a dog to help round them 
  up? (Does the dog bark? I wonder if the sheep feel pushed or intimidated by 
  the dog, or does the dog make them think it's their idea to go in a 
  certain direction...)
   
  I 
  wonder if it's possible that street preaching, while not necessarily passé in 
  any theological sense, is just not the ideal medium for our 
  culture; you have to violate too many cultural norms to do it. I notice we are 
  much more culturally sensitive (or at least we'd acknowledge the value of 
  such sensitivity) when it comes to communicating to cultures other than our 
  own. If, for example, it was kind of rude to give a gift with your left 
  hand, we wouldn't do it, even if the gift was a Bible and our right arm was 
  sore. If it was rude to come to the point about anything without first 
  spending an hour on small talk about our relatives, over tea, we would be 
  sure and do that. But some SPs flout NAm cultural norms fairly routinely 
  and (IMO) unnecessarily. --Not that that's the worst thing you can do, and I'm 
  willing to believe their motives are mostly pure (see rejected analogy 
  below).
   
  Maybe in Bible times it was more usual for anybody with a 
  message to shout it out in a public place. Most public shouting in 
  our culture is done by ticket-scalpers, circus-barkers, and certain kinds 
  of political demonstrators. Other public messages are generally delivered by 
  other means.
   
  Someone might want to use an analogy of the kind, "What if there's a 
  comet about to hit the earth and you have to tell everybody to head for higher 
  ground?" But the analogy isn't appropriate.
   
  Debbie  
  
-Original Message-From: Slade Henson 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 
7:11 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: 
[TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
Au 
contraire, contraire, preacher! All you have to do is lead...they follow. 
You never have to udder (hehehe...I know that's for cows) a word to 
them.
 
Kay, who has raised sheep with Slade

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 22.05To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  Can't get em by your zipped lip either!Jeff Powers 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
  



perfect analogy!

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Slade Henson 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 
  20:45
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is 
  a Christian?
  
  
  What do you 
  think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone 
  astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and 
  search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it, 
  truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine 
  which have not gone astray.
  Anyone who has raised sheep knows you can't 
  get the lost sheep to come back to the fold by chasing and screaming 
  at her.
  - slade
  
-Original Message-From: Kevin 
DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 
18.40Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a 
Christian?
I have been easy on Dave this go round.  
Would you agree Dave?
  
  
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RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-20 Thread Slade Henson



Could 
it not be symbolism...and just another name for Satan? He is called the dragon, 
the ancient dragon, the serpent, etc.
 
Kay

  -Original Message-From: 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of 
  ShieldsFamilySent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 
  17.17To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: 
  [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology
  
  Could be one and the 
  same; maybe not. Just seems where there’s symbolism (dragon), there could be 
  more. Izzy
   
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Slade 
  HensonSent: Wednesday, 
  January 19, 2005 6:05 AMTo: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional 
  Christian theology
   
  
  I don't think so, but 
  it's okay if you do. I think it's literally stars from the sky, not angels. 
  Continue reading to verse 9...when the Dragon (Satan) is hurled down with his 
  angels.
  
   
  
  Kay
  
   
  
   
  
   
  
   -Original 
  Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 
  23.16To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional 
  Christian theology
  
Hint: “Stars” = 
“Angels”? 
 




From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Slade 
HensonSent: Tuesday, 
January 18, 2005 7:24 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional 
Christian theology
 

I said literally 
STARS.

 

Who/what is the 
Dragon/snakehint: serpent.

 

Kay
-Original 
  Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of 
  ShieldsFamilySent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 
  09.39To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional 
  Christian theology
   
  

Thought you all 
might find this interesting...I like to go to literal, word for word 
translations. I have found it helps 
alot...

Quoted from 
The Orthodox Jewish Brit Chadasha:

 

Hisgalus (The 
Revelation) Perek Yod Beit (Chapter 12) v. 
4

 

And the tail of 
him drags down a third of the kokhavim (stars) of Shomayim (heaven) and 
threw them to ha'aretz (the earth), and the Dragon NACHASH (snake) was 
standing before the ISHA (woman) who was about to give birth, that when 
she gives birth to the YELED 
(Child)

  

Seems to me 
it's literally stars that are thrown down from 
heaven.

Kay
 
By 
a literal dragon/snake? I think not. 
Izzy




RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-20 Thread Slade Henson
I've got a dumb question then
They're all drunk and stoopid by then. Why bother?

Okay...I'll stick my neck out here. I used to go to Dance Clubs. I used to
take people's keys and drive them home. I used to talk to them and witness
to them on the way to their homes, which I found didn't work. They didn't
remember because they were so drunk. The next morning, I would go back to
their homes, take them back to the club for their cars, and return their
keys. I've done this on many occasions. Every time, they've asked WHY. That
opens the door, and I get to talk to them. Like real people; understanding
them. Several times I went with several of my Believing friends. There were
people inside every single time who were "ripe" to listen. They came to us.
I would rather be inside the joint, with the people, rather than hollering
at them outside.

Kay

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Miller
Sent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 18.42
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching


Slade wrote:
> I will consider your offer. Usually I
> go to Synagogue on Friday evenings
> (it begins at 8:00 PM).

When do you get out?  I have found it most productive to preach around 10:00
pm until 3:30 am.  The 2:00 am to 3:30 am time is often best.


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RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-20 Thread Slade Henson



Hahaha...the Felonious Spankerthose types might enjoy it, 
though...
 
Kay

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of 
  ShieldsFamilySent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 
  17.40To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: 
  [TruthTalk] Street Preaching
  
  David, I think if you want a REAL radical 
  SP you should take KAY. They wouldn’t dare turn a bare butt to her!!! (Do I 
  have that right Slade?) Izzy
   
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of David MillerSent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 10:12 AMTo: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: 
  [TruthTalk] Street Preaching
   
  Slade wrote:
  > Anyone who has raised sheep knows 
  you
  > can't get the lost sheep to come back 
  to
  > the fold by chasing and screaming at 
  her.
   
  The idea that street preachers chase and scream at 
  people is a demonic lie.
   
  A few weeks ago, a student at UF raised that point 
  right while my friend was 
  preaching.  My friend said, "I'm not chasing 
  anyone.  If you don't want to 
  hear what we are talking about here, go on down the 
  street.  I'm not going 
  to start chasing after you."  The student who 
  made this false claim readily 
  agreed and acknowledged that he was wrong.  I 
  believe demons inspire people 
  to say these false things.  The people who say it 
  do not even realize that 
  they are saying it, and when they are on the spot 
  called on it, they 
  recognize the foolish absurdity of what they just 
  said.  Unfortunately, many 
  do not say it when it can be rebutted, so it gets 
  repeated again and again 
  by others as truth when it really is a demonic 
  lie.
   
  The television news channels in Tampa sometimes 
  characterized my preaching 
  as yelling and screaming.  I did not like that 
  characterization.  I simply 
  raised my voice to herald the truth.  I did not 
  scream.  Perhaps some might 
  characterize it as "yelling," but I would not 
  characterize it that way.  I 
  call it preaching.  When a person preaches, he is 
  proclaiming, and if he is 
  trying to speak to a group of people, he needs to 
  raise his voice.  Do you 
  have a problem with that?  I know God 
  doesn't.
   
  By the way, Slade, if you want to see what street 
  preaching is in person, I 
  suggest you and me get together and go down to 
  Ybor 
  City some Friday night. 
  
  I can preach and you can talk to the crowd that 
  gathers and witness one on 
  one.  If you would like to try preaching too, 
  that would be great.  You 
  might just get the urge to preach when you see how 
  they crowd reacts.  I 
  have known people to be completely against street 
  preaching come down there 
  and in one night completely change their minds.  
  Some have urged others to 
  support the work, and some could not wait for a chance 
  to preach themselves. 
  Of course, there also have been some who vowed never 
  to go back there again. 
  One time another street preacher not accustomed to a 
  night club scene 
  accompanied me to Ybor, and a marijuana smoking 
  homosexual pulled down his 
  pants and mooned me.  It became completely silent 
  at that point, and the 
  crowd had been on his side for the last 15 minutes, 
  applauding his leud 
  language and what not, so when this mooning happened 
  and it got completely 
  quiet, I pointed to his naked butt and said, "Behold 
  Tampa, your leader." 
  They were all in shame at that point, their hearts 
  prepared, and I began to 
  instruct them in the way of righteousness.  
  Unfortunately, the guy with me 
  could not handle the riotous atmosphere and the 
  mooning was the last straw, 
  so he vowed never to go back there with me 
  again.  I has another street 
  preacher do a similar thing in Mardi Gras when he got 
  hit in the eye with a 
  bead.  Some people cannot handle the 
  abuse.
   
  Peace be with you.
  David Miller. 
   
   
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RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preachers

2005-01-20 Thread Slade Henson



Hehehe...he's going up on trial soon. I hope they televise 
it.
 
Kay

  -Original Message-From: 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of 
  ShieldsFamilySent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 
  17.46To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: 
  [TruthTalk] Street Preachers
  
  
  Subject: RE: 
  [TruthTalk] Street Preachers
   
  
  I would say I have 
  removed form the "street preachers" I knew.
  
  Put it this way...I 
  was unfortunately blessed with the presence of Daniel Lee and many others of 
  his kind. 
  
  Kay
   
  I 
  suspect that Daniel Lee is to Street Preaching what Michael Jackson is to 
  Child Daycare. Izzy




RE: [TruthTalk] Etzrah vaGer

2005-01-20 Thread Slade Henson



Hang 
on to that joy, Debbie. It only gets better...
 
Kay

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Debbie 
  SawczakSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 21.38To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Etzrah 
  vaGer
  There have been things in the last few months of my reading and 
  listening that have made joy well up as soon as I read them. This is 
  one.
   
  Debbie
  
-Original Message-From: Slade Henson 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 
8:28 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: 
[TruthTalk] Etzrah vaGer

I found 
this email in my archives. I thought I would past it here to explain a bit 
more of my Biblical perspective. It speaks of the Gerim/Strangers who attach 
themselves to Israel (the Etzrah) I think I 
translated these from the Hebrew, except he last one from the Greek (don't 
hold me to this because it's been a long time since I've done this). The 
best way to translate "Ger" is convert -- [in today's language] a foreigner 
who becomes One in Messiah with Israel.
 
-- 
slade
 
Torah echad [One Torah] shall be to the etzrah [homegrown] and to the ger [stranger] who sojourns in your midst.
(Shemot/Exodus 
12:49)
 
The ger [stranger] who sojourns among you shall be to you as 
etzrah [homegrown], and you shall love him as yourself; for 
you were gerim [strangers] in Eretz Mitzrayim [Land of Egypt]: I am YHVH Eloheinu [The Lord Your God].
(Vayikra/Leviticus 
19:34)
Mishpat 
echad [One verdict] shall be for 
you: as the ger [stranger], as an etzrah [homegrown]; for I am YHVH Eloheinu.
(Vayikra/Leviticus 24:22)
And if a 
ger [stranger] sojourns with you, and prepares 
Pesach [Passover] to YHVH; by the 
Chukkat [statutes] of the Pesach and by its 
mishpatu [verdicts] so shall he do; chukkah echad [one statute] shall be for you and the 
ger [stranger] 
and the etzrah [homegrown].
(Bemidbar/Numbers 
9:14)
Echad 
chukkah [One Statute] shall be for you of the Qahal [congregation] and the ger 
[stranger] who sojourns; 
Chukkat olam [an eternal 
statute] in your generations: as you are, so the ger [stranger] is before YHVH. Torah echad [One Torah] and Mishpat echad [one verdict] shall be for you, and the 
ger [stranger] who sojourns with you.
(Bemidbar/Numbers 15:15-16)Torah Echad [One Torah] 
shall be to you for the etzrah 
[homegrown] among Bnai 
Yisrael [Sons of Israel]and the 
ger [stranger] sojourning among them for he who acts in 
error.
(Bemidbar/Numbers 15:29)There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor 
freeman, there is neither male nor female: for all you are one in Messiah 
Yeshua [Jesus 
Christ].
(Galatians 
3:28)




[TruthTalk] What if Jesus is not God?

2005-01-20 Thread Slade Henson



This 
poses an interesting question. What do you think is the fate of those who 
believe Jesus was just a man and not G-d?
 
-- 
slade

  -Original Message-From: Judy 
  TaylorSent: Thursday, 20 January, 2005 02.53Subject: Re: 
  [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
  
  
  jt: So you just see 
  Mormonism as a "different church?"  Has your mother-in-law renounced the 
  works of darkness, repented of following false gods and left that 
  system?  You are not doing DaveH any favors by the statement 
  above.  His soul is more important than us being 'nice' we need 
  to call things what they are.  If you can't see the problem then possibly 
  you are deceived in this area also John and need to do your 
  homework.  We have no authority to pronounce people "saved"  It 
  has to be between them and the Lord. all we can do is point them to "The Way" and encourage 
  them in it - We can stand in faith for ourselves but until 
  Jesus declares (at the end) those who belong to him - we speak 
  presumptuously.  jt




RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread Slade Henson



You 
have groups two different people. You have the hypocrites and you have the 
invalidators. They are not necessarily the same 
monster.
 
-- 
slade

  -Original 
  Message-From: ShieldsFamilySent: Wednesday, 19 
  January, 2005 23.39Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  
  Keep in mind that 
  Jesus greatest offense was that he exposed the hypocrisy of the “orthodox” 
  theologians of the day, who used Tradition to invalidate God’s Word.  
  Izzy
   
  
  
  
  
  From:  Slade HensonSent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 7:44 
  PMSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] 
  What is a Christian?
   
  
  I agree. The message 
  threatened the Sadducean leadership. What would happen to their tenuous hold 
  on the Temple 
  Service when there was no 
  legitimate claim to the High Priesthood? The Messiah, according to tradition, 
  would be able to straighten the whole mess out. In fact, John Hyrcanus (I 
  think) said he and his descendants would manage the High Priesthood until a 
  prophet would come to tell the Judeans who had proper claim. Imaging the 
  stress between a legitimate High Priest and the Romans who controlled the 
  land, gave the Sadducees their power, and controlled access to the garments of 
  the High Priest!
  
   
  
  No wonder they tried 
  to find false witnesses to speak against 
  Him.
  
   
  
  -- 
  slade




RE: [TruthTalk] Looking for a SOFTER GENTLER God?

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



Good 
attitude. I can appreciate that. By the way. I hold the Blood in the 
highest regard.
 
-- 
slade

  -Original Message-From: Kevin DeeganSent: 
  Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 21.04Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Looking 
  for a SOFTER GENTLER God?
  Slade Henson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
  

-Original 
Message-From: Kevin DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 
January, 2005 18.02Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Looking for a SOFTER 
GENTLER God?I take Offense at those that despise His Holy 
Name or trample His Blood under their feet How about a little Righteous Indignation? 

  Am I guilty of this? How does one trample underfoot His 
  blood?
   
  I don't know, has 
  His Blood washed all your sin away? Do you consider His Blood not 
  neccessary? You do not revile the Blood of 
Jesus?
Surely I can not preach on "God loves you" at the Sodom Parade 
or to God Haters like Marilyn Manson crowd

  What are you doing there anyway? Wouldn't you 
  call fire and brimstone down instead?
   
  -- slade
   
  PREACHING I don't make that kind of judgement 
  that is for God to decide. I preach I hope I can retrieve one out of the 
  Fire.




RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



I 
agree. The message threatened the Sadducean leadership. What would happen to 
their tenuous hold on the Temple Service when there was no legitimate claim to 
the High Priesthood? The Messiah, according to tradition, would be able to 
straighten the whole mess out. In fact, John Hyrcanus (I think) said he and his 
descendants would manage the High Priesthood until a prophet would come to tell 
the Judeans who had proper claim. Imaging the stress between a legitimate High 
Priest and the Romans who controlled the land, gave the Sadducees their power, 
and controlled access to the garments of the High Priest!
 
No 
wonder they tried to find false witnesses to speak against 
Him.
 
-- 
slade

  -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, 
  19 January, 2005 20.35Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?He was not killed because he broke with 
  convention, in and of itself.   He was killed because of the 
  Message  --  nothing more.   JD 
  




RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



Yes. 
Every day. Meals and the evenings would be spent 
in the sukkah.
 
The 
Great Day of the Feast is also called Shemini Atzeret. There is an 
important water pouring service where water from the pool of Siloam is poured 
out into a special vessel on the altar. No wonder Yeshua stood and proclaimed as 
He did!
 
-- 
slade

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 20.27To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  Do Jews spend every day of the feast of tabernacles in the temple?
  Or in Booths?
  JN 7 in the midst of the feast Jesus went up into the 
  temple
  The occurrence we are talking about was a different day
  JN 7 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus 
  stood and cried,




[TruthTalk] Etzrah vaGer

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson




I found this 
email in my archives. I thought I would past it here to explain a bit more of my 
Biblical perspective. It speaks of the Gerim/Strangers who attach themselves to 
Israel (the Etzrah) I think I translated these from the 
Hebrew, except he last one from the Greek (don't hold me to this because it's 
been a long time since I've done this). The best way to translate "Ger" is 
convert -- [in today's language] a foreigner who becomes One in Messiah with 
Israel.
 
-- 
slade
 
Torah echad [One Torah] shall be to the etzrah [homegrown] and to the ger [stranger] who sojourns in your midst.
(Shemot/Exodus 
12:49)
 
The ger [stranger] who sojourns among you shall be to you as 
etzrah [homegrown], and you shall love him as yourself; for you 
were gerim [strangers] in Eretz Mitzrayim 
[Land of Egypt]: I am YHVH 
Eloheinu [The Lord Your God].
(Vayikra/Leviticus 
19:34)
Mishpat echad [One verdict] shall be for you: as the ger [stranger], as an etzrah 
[homegrown]; for I am YHVH 
Eloheinu.
(Vayikra/Leviticus 24:22)
And if a ger [stranger] sojourns with you, and prepares 
Pesach [Passover] to YHVH; by the 
Chukkat [statutes] of the Pesach and by its mishpatu [verdicts] so shall he do; chukkah echad [one statute] shall be for you and the ger [stranger] and 
the etzrah [homegrown].
(Bemidbar/Numbers 
9:14)
Echad chukkah [One Statute] shall be for you of the Qahal [congregation] and the ger 
[stranger] who sojourns; 
Chukkat olam [an eternal 
statute] in your generations: as you are, so the ger [stranger] is before YHVH. Torah echad [One Torah] and Mishpat echad [one verdict] shall be for you, and the ger [stranger] who sojourns with you.
(Bemidbar/Numbers 15:15-16)Torah Echad [One Torah] 
shall be to you for the etzrah 
[homegrown] among Bnai 
Yisrael [Sons of Israel]and the 
ger [stranger] sojourning among them for he who acts in 
error.
(Bemidbar/Numbers 15:29)There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor 
freeman, there is neither male nor female: for all you are one in Messiah 
Yeshua [Jesus Christ].
(Galatians 
3:28)




RE: [TruthTalk] Muslim Hate crime against Coptic christians?

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



I 
tried getting on PALTALK once, but it didn't work. I'm actually thankful I 
failed to connect to it. I had mIRC for a while and all the females over 10 
years of age in the family were drawn to it like heroine. I hated it and I 
finally took matters in my own hands and removed it and refused to reinstall it. 
When I got this new computer, I searched for mIRC, found it, and deleted it 
before we even logged on the internet the first time.
 
-- 
slade

  -Original Message-From: Kevin DeeganSent: 
  Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 20.08Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Muslim 
  Hate crime against Coptic christians?
  It is a news story. I find it on point since it supposedly includes 
  PALTALK.com




RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson
No they didn't!
Their words very VERY MUCH culturally oriented and appropriate!

-- slade

-Original Message-
From: David Miller
Sent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 18.31
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

Debbie wrote:
> I still believe that cultural appropriateness matters.

Somebody forgot to teach Jesus and his disciples this principle.
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RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



So 
you've been cured of introversion? That's pretty incredible.
 
-- 
slade

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 17.49To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  I would not say I was a wild man, but on Dec 12 1972 when the preacher 
  told me about sin I knew that was me. No doubt about it. I was a sinner.
   
  Further I would consider myself very much an introvert who was terrified 
  of people. 
  Very quiet.
   
  Slade Henson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

What was your life like in the years before Messiah? Were you a 
"wildman?" 
-- 
slade

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 18.37To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  Age 50
  I was saved on December 12th  
  1972Slade Henson 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Kevin.
 
So I can better know how to relate to you, would you answer these 
questions for me?
 
1. What is your physical age?
2. How long have you been a believer?
 
-- slade

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 14.19To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is 
  a Christian?
  I only know of him ONLINE..
  He does NOT have a Street Preacher's heart.
   
  Let me splain it to ya this way, OK?
   
  We took a Christian man to a very large "protest march"
  There were all kinds of Angry people marching for all kinds of 
  Demands
  This Christian was so scared he sat the whole time by the police 
  line near hundreds of police.
  When we got home he told wonderous stories and told everyone he 
  was a SP
  Not sure where his heart was. In fact this man once said to me of 
  a group he was frustrated over "let them burn in hell"
  I care not for any to go to Hell!
   
  Have you ever seen a Street Preacher weep for those caught in 
  sin?
  I have many times
  Have you ever seen a Street Preacher PRAY for the lost and Cry 
  out to God,  till his eyes were red and snot was coming out his 
  nose?
  I have many times
  That is a Street Preachers heart!Slade Henson 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Okay...what's the difference? Someone else 
told me the same thing. Are you blessed with knowing Daniel Lee? 
What is the difference between Street Preacher Daniel Lee 
sort and a Street Preacher sort?
 
 
Kay

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  Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 
  13.37To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: 
  RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
  Yes I read it. She will never get saved after 
  meeting that idiot.
   
  That WAS NOT a STREET PREACHER 
Sort!
  It was probably a Dan Lee 
  sort
  
  
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RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



That's 
an interesting term.
 
-- 
slade

  -Original Message-From: 
  ShieldsFamilySent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 
  17.42Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  
  I define myself, personally, as a 
  "homo-revolted".  Izzy




RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



Again, 
you have a well thought-out argument.
 
-- 
slade... moo!

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Debbie 
  SawczakSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 17.26To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  And 
  if the use of 'sheep' distracts people from the point and tempts them with 
  irrelevant sheep-goat stuff, those folk should just substitute 'cows'.  
  --Debbie
  
-Original Message-From: Debbie Sawczak 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 5:03 
PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: 
[TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
[Debbie] Don't you sometimes have to get a dog to help round 
them up? (Does the dog bark? I wonder if the sheep feel pushed or 
intimidated by the dog, or does the dog make them think it's their 
idea to go in a certain direction...)
 
I 
wonder if it's possible that street preaching, while not necessarily passé 
in any theological sense, is just not the ideal 
medium for our culture; you have to violate too many cultural norms to 
do it. I notice we are much more culturally sensitive (or at least we'd 
acknowledge the value of such sensitivity) when it comes to communicating to 
cultures other than our own. If, for example, it was kind of rude to 
give a gift with your left hand, we wouldn't do it, even if the gift was a 
Bible and our right arm was sore. If it was rude to come to the point about 
anything without first spending an hour on small talk about our 
relatives, over tea, we would be sure and do that. But some SPs flout 
NAm cultural norms fairly routinely and (IMO) unnecessarily. --Not that 
that's the worst thing you can do, and I'm willing to believe their motives 
are mostly pure (see rejected analogy below).
 
Maybe in Bible times it was more usual for anybody with a 
message to shout it out in a public place. Most public shouting in 
our culture is done by ticket-scalpers, circus-barkers, and certain 
kinds of political demonstrators. Other public messages are generally 
delivered by other means.
 
Someone might want to use an analogy of the kind, "What if there's a 
comet about to hit the earth and you have to tell everybody to head for 
higher ground?" But the analogy isn't appropriate.
     
Debbie  

  -Original Message-From: Slade Henson 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 
  2005 7:11 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: 
  RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
  Au contraire, contraire, preacher! All you have to do is 
  lead...they follow. You never have to udder (hehehe...I know that's for 
  cows) a word to them.
   
  Kay, who has raised sheep with Slade
  
-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin 
DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 22.05To: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a 
Christian?
Can't get em by your zipped lip either!Jeff Powers 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

  
  

  perfect analogy!
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Slade Henson 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 
20:45
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What 
is a Christian?


What do you 
think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone 
astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go 
and search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he 
finds it, truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the 
ninety-nine which have not gone astray.
Anyone who has raised sheep knows you can't 
get the lost sheep to come back to the fold by chasing and screaming 
at her.
- slade

  -Original 
  Message-From: Kevin DeeganSent: 
  Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 18.40Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] 
  What is a Christian?
  I have been easy on Dave this go round.  
  Would you agree Dave?


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RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



Thank 
you for the testimony, David. I think I would like the "gentle 
man."
 
-- 
slade

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of David 
  MillerSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 16.10To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  I usually refrain from offering an amen to posts, but this is 
  some really fantastic dialogue, Kevin.  THANK YOU.  You really 
  express yourself well.  A hearty amen from me to all you said here.
   
  I would like to point out also to others that I met Kevin once in New 
  Orleans when preaching Mardi Gras.  He is a gentle man and not like 
  many of you might perceive him.  He makes huge sacrifices to get God's 
  Word out to the lost.  Just because he keeps focused on getting his 
  message out does not mean that he is unreasonable or full of pride or arrogant 
  or whatever other label you might be tempted to put upon him.  He is 
  a meek and humble man who heralds truth, and if the sinners can't stop 
  him with their ridicule, you won't stop him by trying to ridicule him 
  here.  When he talks about others crying for the lost, he is not just 
  talking about others.  He is talking about himself, but he is too humble 
  and modest to say that.  Kevin is a street preacher who really cares for 
  others.  He has a deep, burning love for the lost that far surpasses 
  probably everybody on this list.
   
  I found it interesting to watch the video from the Mormon 
  site.  There were three men pictured there:  Ruben, Dean, and 
  Stephen.  The video ends with something like, "would you invite these 
  Christians to your home"?  I could not help but laugh.  I have 
  invited all of these men to my home.  They are always welcome at my 
  home.  Ruben has stayed the night at my home several times, and I 
  have spent the night with him on the road before as well.  And the 
  Mormons say, "would you invite him to your home"?  LOL.  Too 
  funny.  Of course I would.
   
  Peace be with you.David Miller.




RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



In 
John 7:37, Yeshua spoke in The Temple where other 
religious Jewish people and converts were congregated.
 
-- 
slade

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 11.38To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  Does it really matter how many get Saved, how many Timothies I 
have?
  If you really want to know I could tell you but I feel that you already 
  have it settled in your mind.
  If Jesus was not a SP, could you explain why Jesus stands up in the 
  middle of a Religious feast and CRIES JN 7:37
  Was He weeping going BOO WH?
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  In a message dated 1/19/2005 6:26:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yes Jesus was a model 'Street preacher' 
too.Jesus was not street preacher.   He 
spoke and taught in places that encouaged the exchange of ideas (such as a 
synagogue or, perhaps, the Temple courtyard).  Crowds followed Him and 
presented opportunities for His teaching because He showered them with 
benevolent acts of compassion.   He spoke harshly to those of 
his own,  believing that they were willfully blinded by their own 
sense of selfish ambition.  That is the 
pattern.   I have converted a few to Christ  --   
the caring/open-the-door-to-opportunity/get-them-to-ask-the-question 
instead-of-me approach works. You preach to the "enemy"  
(in your mind), ask all the questions, give answer to these questions, 
and  pretty much have no off button that I can see.   Does 
God work through your ministry?   Obviously and on occasion, 
yes.   But how many are out there, Kevin.    How 
many?   I say, take your energies and enthusiam for the Lord and 
minister to those who KNOW that they do not have all the answers.  Or, 
you can continue to think I don't have a clue when it comes to preaching the 
gospel  -- whatever.  I know that 
benevolent caring, a life lived with holy desire, and a ready answer  
(emphasis on "ready) will work.   I believe this to be the 
biblical example.  It is much much more difficult to bring 
people to a point in time when THEY  ask the question, Kevin.  It 
is infintely easier to preach them to hell.   Peter's example in 
Acts two did just this.  Who asked the question?   THEY 
did.   Is harshness always wrong.   Of course 
not..but you have wasted your time, comparatively speaking, when the 
search for Christ is not enhanced by the words you speak.   
John
  
  
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RE: [TruthTalk] Ten Commandments

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



KILL 'EM ALL!
 
-- 
slade

  -Original Message-From: David MillerSent: 
  Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 18.16Subject: [TruthTalk] Ten 
  Commandments
  
  From the Wall Street 
  Journal:
  http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=25&sid=393444
   
  The American Civil Liberties 
  Union threatened to sue the city of Frederick, 
  Md., over a Ten Commandments 
  monument in a city park, so Mayor Jennifer Dougherty came up with a clever 
  idea: She sold the land on which the monument sat to the local chapter of the 
  Fraternal Order of Eagles. Since it's no longer on public land, she argued, it 
  doesn't violate the separation of church and state--even though it's still in 
  the middle of a city park.
  It's similar to the Jewish 
  custom of "selling chametz" for Passover. Chametz refers to any 
  grain product except matzah prepared specifically for the holiday, and Chabad.org explains the sale 
  procedure:
  A person who owns a large 
  quantity of chametz which he is reluctant to dispose of, because doing so may 
  cause him considerable financial loss, may sell his chametz to a non 
  Jew.
  After writing a bill of sale, 
  one may leave the chametz in his home without transgressing the prohibitions 
  of not seeing or having chametz, since the chametz no longer belongs to him. 
  
  However, it must be set aside in 
  a special place which is rented to the non Jew who has purchased it, so that 
  the chametz becomes the property of the non Jew until after Passover. 
  
  The place where this sold 
  chametz is stored should be inaccessible, so that neither he nor the members 
  of his family take anything from there through force of habit. The bill of 
  sale for the chametz states that he is selling his chametz to the non Jew for 
  a specific price. The non Jewish purchaser then gives him a down payment 
  either money or something with intrinsic value, to acquire ownership of the 
  chametz. 
  A stipulation is added to the 
  bill of sale, stating that if the purchaser does not pay the balance due by 
  the end of Passover, the chametz will revert to the original owner at that 
  time that is, at the end of Passover. The non Jew's failure to pay will not be 
  seen as having retroactively invalidated the sale. 
  
  Thus, during Passover, the 
  chametz belongs to the non Jew and the original owner is not liable for having 
  chametz in his possession on Passover.
  You can even sell your chametz online. Back in 
  Frederick, 
  though, Mayor Dougherty's effort to save the Ten Commandments didn't satisfy 
  Americans United for Separation of Church and State. The Associated Press 
  reports the group is pursuing a lawsuit on behalf of a local resident, Roy 
  Chambers, who argues that the sale "was a 'scam' that left church and state 
  entwined."
  Which just goes to show you that 
  American secularists are more orthodox even than the most observant 
  Jew.
   




RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson
I [usually] get out between 22:30-23:15 and have a 45 minute drive home. I
would have to take the sleeping kids home first... I admit to a but of
discomfort in Ybor City.

02:00-03:30 must be closing time?

-- slade

-Original Message-
From: David Miller
Sent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 18.42
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching


Slade wrote:
> I will consider your offer. Usually I
> go to Synagogue on Friday evenings
> (it begins at 8:00 PM).

When do you get out?  I have found it most productive to preach around 10:00
pm until 3:30 am.  The 2:00 am to 3:30 am time is often best.


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RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



Any.
 
-- 
slade

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 
  18.05Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Street 
  Preaching
  What sinful behavior in particular?Slade Henson 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Thank you for the list but I am not against Street Preaching. I am 
against sinful behavior in the name of Jesus.
 
-- 
slade




RE: [TruthTalk] News Report from Jerusalem FYI

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



ok.
 
--slade

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of 
  ShieldsFamilySent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 
  18.26To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: 
  [TruthTalk] News Report from Jerusalem FYI
  
  I’ll be happy when 
  every one of them is dead.  Izzy
   
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Slade 
  HensonSent: Wednesday, 
  January 19, 2005 5:18 PMTo: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] News Report from 
  Jerusalem 
  FYI
   
  
  Please read this post 
  from the archives.. Especially the last 
  section.
  
   
  
  -- 
  slade
  
   
  
-Original 
Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 
15.16To: 
truthtalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [TruthTalk] News Report from 
Jerusalem 
FYI

Looks like the demise of Yassir 
Arafat has only opened the way for more of the 
same,

and 
worse.

 

ABU MAZEN: LITTLE JIHAD IS OVER, BIG JIHAD STARTS 


Appearing before cheering crowds on January 9, 
Abu Mazen said that the period ofthe "little jihad [holy war] had ended, 
and now the big jihad is 
beginning." This quote led to a quaint exchange on Israel 
Radio's morning newsmagazine.

Arabic-speaking correspondent Avi Yisacharov played 
the tapes of Abu Mazen's quotes, andthen quickly said, "Regarding the 
future..." He was immediately interrupted by anchorman Aryeh Golan, who 
said, "Whoa, wait a second. What's this 'big jihad' stuff?" Yisacharov 


gave a nervous chuckle and said, "I don't think he 
means a real jihad, he just means the 

challenges ahead of reforms in the PA and the 
release of Palestinian prisoners by Israel..." 
 Yisacharov similarly played a recording of a leading Abu Mazen 
supporter singing in joy at the results of the election and explained 
that it was simply "an old PLO [Palestine Liberation Organization] war 
song." Abu Mazen did little to allay Israeli fears that he 


is no different than Arafat. He said he dedicates 
his victory to "brother shahid [martyr] 

Yasser Arafat," to the "shahids and prisoners," and 
to the "Palestinian people from Rafiah 

to Jenin." The crowd responded, "A million shahids 
marching to Jerusalem!"  
(BFP) 




RE: [TruthTalk] Looking for a SOFTER GENTLER God?

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



-Original 
Message-From: Kevin DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 
January, 2005 18.02Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Looking for a SOFTER 
GENTLER God?I take Offense at those that despise His Holy Name or 
trample His Blood under their feet How about a little Righteous 
Indignation? 

  Am I 
  guilty of this? How does one trample underfoot His 
blood?
Surely I can not preach on "God loves you" at the Sodom Parade or 
to God Haters like Marilyn Manson crowd

  What 
  are you doing there anyway? Wouldn't you call fire and brimstone down 
  instead?
   
  -- 
  slade
   




RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson
What binds them [Mormons] together is the mutual hatred they have for the
Street Preachers (the common-enemy theorem of mine).

I'm glad many Street Preachers have had success with Mormons. Perhaps the
techniques used by THOSE preachers works. Perhaps some of these preachers
need to take a class or two under these more successful Street Preachers. I
would love to see Street Preachers have a good reputation. Additionally, I
wish Christians [Messianics included] had a better reputation as well!

-- slade

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Miller
Sent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 10.51
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?


Slade wrote:
> I believe you missed Dave's point.
> The Street Preachers are there to rid
> the adherents of their false doctrine,
> but what are they doing?? The Street
> Preachers are causing them to be even
> MORE adherent!

Maybe you missed Kevin's point.  If that were true, they should welcome the
street preachers.  They HATE the street preachers.  So, maybe Dave's point
is not the truth, but a smoke screen.  Or, maybe the die hard Mormons are
becoming more adherent because they see their ship is getting shot full of
holes.

You might note that there have been scores of Mormons converted by the
street preaching efforts.  Furthermore, they have exposed the lack of love
by the Mormon church for Freedom of Speech and for the public to have
freedom around their Temple.

Peace be with you.
David Miller.


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RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



Rebukes are for the people of God.
 
DK 
said: Well I would 
upbraid you right now for your hard heart, but I might get 
moderated
Slade: 
Why would you "upbraid" me?
 
-- 
slade

  -Original Message-From: Kevin DeeganSent: 
  Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 08.41Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  Slade- How is this a rebuke?
   
  Well I would upbraid you right now for your hard heart, but 
  I might get moderated
  Mark 16:14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and 
  upbraided them with their unbelief 
  and hardness of heart, because 
  they believed not them which had seen him after he was 
risen.




RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



How do 
you figure? Can you give me a corner He preached on? Can you do the same thing 
with John the Lutheran?
 
I see 
neither of these as Street Preachers.
-- 
slade

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 08.38To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  Yes Jesus was a model 'Street preacher' too.
   
  What about some of the other names (listed in a previous post), did you 
  know they were SP's too?Lance Muir 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Does anyone view John the Baptist as a 
model 'street preacher'? 
 
I essentially concur with Jeff's 
characterization. I see SP's as a kind of 'sandwich board' with 
words.




RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



I'm 
getting to the emails now!! I am surprised David Miller didn't say 
something. As far as comments directed at David Miller, I'm letting him 
[David] take care of those.
 
-- 
slade

  -Original Message-From: Judy TaylorSent: 
  Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 07.44
  Me too - Kay and Izzy...
   
  On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:19:48 -0500 writes: 
  I was waiting for that, too, Izzy 
  Kay 
   
   From: ShieldsFamily(Waiting to see the 
  response of the Moderators to Jeff’s blatant ad 
hominem.)




RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



Beautiful, Judy!! Really!! I have 
outlined in RED the part I like the most in your 
post. What you say in defense of Street Preachers is what I say in defense of 
Pharisees.
 
-- 
slade

  -Original Message-From: Judy TaylorSent: 
  Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 07.42Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  A big problem with this analogy and street preaching 
  is that "sheep" are already in the fold so they "know"
  the voice of the Shepherd - even John the Baptist was 
  preaching to God's Covenant people. 
   
  I have my own issues with 
  the methods of some Street 
  Preachers (not all) because I don't like "throwing yourself down from 
  the pinnacle of the temple" type antics.  
  However, they are doing something not many of us would want to do
  and they are exposing ppl who would never be 
  confronted in their own circles to the name of Jesus - Paul said that even if someone is out 
  there for a wrong motive we should be thankful for that, so I now bless them 
  in Jesus name.  jt




RE: [TruthTalk] News Report from Jerusalem FYI

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



Please 
read this post from the archives.. Especially the last 
section.
 
-- 
slade
 

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy 
  TaylorSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 15.16To: 
  truthtalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [TruthTalk] News Report from 
  Jerusalem FYI
  Looks like the demise of Yassir Arafat has only 
  opened the way for more of the same,
  and worse.
   
  ABU MAZEN: LITTLE JIHAD IS OVER, BIG JIHAD STARTS 
  Appearing before cheering crowds on January 9, Abu Mazen said that 
  the period ofthe "little jihad [holy war] had ended, and now the big jihad is beginning." This quote led to a 
  quaint exchange on Israel Radio's morning newsmagazine.
  Arabic-speaking correspondent Avi Yisacharov played the tapes of Abu 
  Mazen's quotes, andthen quickly said, "Regarding the future..." He was 
  immediately interrupted by anchorman Aryeh Golan, who said, "Whoa, wait a 
  second. What's this 'big jihad' stuff?" Yisacharov 
  gave a nervous chuckle and said, "I don't think he means a real jihad, he 
  just means the 
  challenges ahead of reforms in the PA and the release of Palestinian 
  prisoners by Israel..."  Yisacharov similarly played a recording 
  of a leading Abu Mazen supporter singing in joy at the results of the 
  election and explained that it was simply "an old PLO [Palestine 
  Liberation Organization] war song." Abu Mazen did little to allay 
  Israeli fears that he 
  is no different than Arafat. He said he dedicates his victory to "brother 
  shahid [martyr] 
  Yasser Arafat," to the "shahids and prisoners," and to the "Palestinian 
  people from Rafiah 
  to Jenin." The crowd responded, "A million shahids marching to 
  Jerusalem!"  (BFP) 
--- Begin Message ---
You celebrate the death of a man. I find the moment tragic.

Had he been given and accepted the Truth, The Land would be a bit different
(or he would have been assassinated).
Tragic.

He fought for the rights of [his] people in The Land. He was wrong in
attempting to create a Palestinian state because those of the nations who
want a part in The Land must enjoin themselves with Israel (according to
Torah).
Tragic.

He was wrong in allowing/encouraging terrorism against innocent bystanders.
Tragic.

Israel is wrong in creating an Us-Them dichotomy in the Land. The nation of
Israel is wrong in disassociating with Jewish people who've accepted [a]
Messiah who was born, died, and resurrected 2,000 years ago.
Tragic.

Until Israel remembers their captivity in Egypt, remembers the agony of
being segregated and murdered and demeaned, and recognizes the HE who was
pierced, there will be no peace for them. Everything I do is for the love of
God, Israel/Jerusalem/Israeli/Jewish Person, and my neighbor... and in that
order.

I wonder if The Land is going to be better off now that Arafat has died.
After all, Israel had a hard time keeping up with Arafat's footmen. Imagine
what it'll be like if the horsemen arrive.

-- slade

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, 13 November, 2004 08.17
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Arafat is gone

So what makes his death any more tragic than the deaths of every other lost
soul? Tell me, would you rather he had lived longer to slaughter more
innocent victims? Please also tell me, do you love Israel at all? Izzy

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RE: [TruthTalk] Muslim Hate crime against Coptic christians?

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



Is 
this a reason to hate Muslims?
 
-- 
slade

  -Original Message-From: Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 15.56To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Muslim Hate 
  crime against Coptic christians?
  'ISLAMIC HATE' EYED IN SLAYS http://www.newyorkpost.com/news/regionalnews/38704.htm  
  http://michellemalkin.com/archives/001248.htm This guy was threatened by a muslim on 
  PALTALK.com The Murderers stabbed the 15 yr olds wrist where 
  she had a tattoo of a Coptic CROSS All were stabbed in the 
  throat as if to silence them None of the Jewelry was taken http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/18/nyregion/18jersey.html




RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? *REPRIMAND*

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



Jerk, Jeff? I know you know 
better than that!
 
-- 
slade

  -Original Message-From: Jeff PowersSent: 
  Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 05.30Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  Kevin, You are a . 




RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson
I will consider your offer. Usually I go to Synagogue on Friday evenings (it
begins at 8:00 PM).

Also understand I do not think all Street Preachers call the single pregnant
omen whores at the tops of their lungs to draw a crowd. I've discovered that
most of the Street Preachers I've met do have a style and mannerism I find
contrary to my personality style.

Also, Take the post in context. I said you cannot round up sheep by chasing
and screaming. Similarly, tactics that people find oppressive or insulting
will not attract them to the Good News.

-slade

-Original Message-
From: David Miller
Sent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 11.12

The idea that street preachers chase and scream at people is a demonic lie.

The television news channels in Tampa sometimes characterized my preaching
as yelling and screaming.

By the way, Slade, if you want to see what street preaching is in person, I
suggest you and me get together and go down to Ybor City some Friday night.

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RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



Thank 
you for the list but I am not against Street Preaching. I am against sinful 
behavior in the name of Jesus.
 
-- 
slade

  -Original Message-From: Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 11.34
  
  
Slade wrote:> Anyone who has raised 
sheep knows you  can't get the lost sheep to come back to the fold 
by chasing and screaming at her.
KD says:  Slade, if you are so against Street Preaching 
what do you think of these 
SP's?




RE: [TruthTalk] Looking for a SOFTER GENTLER God?

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



Listening is a good trait.
 
When I say we cannot use sinful, angry speech to bring people into 
the covenant. Stern language is allowable when those WITHIN THE COVENANT are not 
willing to repent from sin. Yeshua is our example. The woman in adultery was not 
scorned and called a Wicked Whore. She was told -- calmly and lovingly -- go and 
sin no more. The Perushim/Pharisees who were hypocritical should have known 
better, and Yeshua called the spade a spade.
 
I hope 
the differences here are understood and heard.
 
It has 
nothing to do with God Version 2.0, or the Kinder Gentler 
G-d.
 
-- 
slade




RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



What 
was your life like in the years before Messiah? Were you a "wildman?" 

-- 
slade

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 18.37To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  Age 50
  I was saved on December 12th  
  1972Slade Henson 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Kevin.
 
So 
I can better know how to relate to you, would you answer these questions for 
me?
 
1. 
What is your physical age?
2. 
How long have you been a believer?
 
-- 
slade

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 14.19To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  I only know of him ONLINE..
  He does NOT have a Street Preacher's heart.
   
  Let me splain it to ya this way, OK?
   
  We took a Christian man to a very large "protest march"
  There were all kinds of Angry people marching for all kinds of 
  Demands
  This Christian was so scared he sat the whole time by the police line 
  near hundreds of police.
  When we got home he told wonderous stories and told everyone he was a 
  SP
  Not sure where his heart was. In fact this man once said to me of a 
  group he was frustrated over "let them burn in hell"
  I care not for any to go to Hell!
   
  Have you ever seen a Street Preacher weep for those caught in 
  sin?
  I have many times
  Have you ever seen a Street Preacher PRAY for the lost and Cry out to 
  God,  till his eyes were red and snot was coming out his nose?
  I have many times
      That is a Street Preachers heart!Slade Henson 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Okay...what's the difference? Someone else told 
me the same thing. Are you blessed with knowing Daniel Lee? What is the 
difference between Street Preacher Daniel Lee sort and a Street 
Preacher sort?
 
 
Kay

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 13.37To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is 
  a Christian?
  Yes I read it. She will never get saved after 
  meeting that idiot.
   
  That WAS NOT a STREET PREACHER Sort!
  It was probably a Dan Lee 
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RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preachers

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



I 
would say I have removed form the "street preachers" I knew.
Put it 
this way...I was unfortunately blessed with the presence of Daniel Lee and many 
others of his kind.
 
Kay

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 11.49To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Street 
  Preachers
  You are correct Matt & his crowd are Activists
   
  So basically the answer is NO you really do not have access to much 
  in the way of SP's
  Your original comment led me to believe you did.Slade 
  Henson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

How about this
I 
know Matt Trewhella and his group. I attended Matt's church a couple of 
times. I attended a protest with Matt's group and have seen their protests 
many times, over several years. I supported most of them. A few of his 
missionaries are personal friends of ours, one being a midwife for one of 
our children. The Missionaries were involved in many different cases that I 
was very aware of, one included the suing the county we used to live in for 
false arrest and freedom of speech issues. I would say this group is a bit 
different than the "street preaching". They are activists out 
protesting/demonstrating more than a large group of "street preachers". 
There is, however, preaching going on while 
protesting/demonstrating.
 
I 
know many others out there who are also "street preachers". I concur with 
Jeff and Lance on their thoughts regarding them.
 
I've read many of the case law citations on-line on these different 
cases for the Constitutional law insight and citations of other cases while 
doing research on Constitutional issues.
 
Have I assisted on street preacher cases? I have given advice to some 
who have contacted me. But I would say NO, I have not actively worked on a 
street preachers case that arose WHILE street preaching, except for the 
menial advice I have given. It is not my "realm" or my 
"specialty".
 
 
Kay

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 11.10To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  So let me make sure I understand, you have known MANY SP's invovled 
  in these types of cases, right?
  
  
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RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preachers

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



How 
about this
I know 
Matt Trewhella and his group. I attended Matt's church a couple of times. I 
attended a protest with Matt's group and have seen their protests many times, 
over several years. I supported most of them. A few of his missionaries are 
personal friends of ours, one being a midwife for one of our children. The 
Missionaries were involved in many different cases that I was very aware of, one 
included the suing the county we used to live in for false arrest and freedom of 
speech issues. I would say this group is a bit different than the "street 
preaching". They are activists out protesting/demonstrating more than a large 
group of "street preachers". There is, however, preaching going on while 
protesting/demonstrating.
 
I know 
many others out there who are also "street preachers". I concur with Jeff and 
Lance on their thoughts regarding them.
 
I've 
read many of the case law citations on-line on these different cases for the 
Constitutional law insight and citations of other cases while doing research on 
Constitutional issues.
 
Have I 
assisted on street preacher cases? I have given advice to some who have 
contacted me. But I would say NO, I have not actively worked on a street 
preachers case that arose WHILE street preaching, except for the menial advice I 
have given. It is not my "realm" or my "specialty".
 
 
Kay

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 11.10To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  So let me make sure I understand, you have known MANY SP's invovled in 
  these types of cases, right?




RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



I 
would say I have known many who were involved in those types of cases. Some I 
have supported, most I've not.
 
Kay

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 09.44To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  
  It's 
  not a case arising out of preaching on the street. Different situation. But he 
  has the same attitude as many of those types of 
  cases...self-righteous and won't shut up which in turn harms his 
  case.
   So you have worked MANY 
  of those (SP) type of cases?Slade Henson 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
  

It's not a case arising out of preaching on the street. Different 
situation. But he has the same attitude as many of those types of 
cases...self-righteous and won't shut up which in turn harms his 
case.
 
Kay

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 08.31To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  What case Kay?
  So I can know where you are coming from.
  
  
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RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



They 
aren't much into "testing the spirits" any longer, are they? Nor are they into 
taking medications that can help take the voices away
 
K.

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 08.33To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  As long as you agree that sheep are representative of Christians.
  Sheople today will follow any voiceSlade Henson 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Au 
contraire, contraire, preacher! All you have to do is lead...they follow. 
You never have to udder (hehehe...I know that's for cows) a word to 
them.
 
Kay, who has raised sheep with Slade

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 22.05To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  Can't get em by your zipped lip either!Jeff Powers 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
  



perfect analogy!

  - Original Message ----- 
  From: 
  Slade Henson 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 
  20:45
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is 
  a Christian?
  
  
  What do you 
  think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone 
  astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and 
  search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it, 
  truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine 
  which have not gone astray.
  Anyone who has raised sheep knows you can't 
  get the lost sheep to come back to the fold by chasing and screaming 
  at her.
  - slade
  
-Original Message-From: Kevin 
DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 
18.40Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a 
Christian?
I have been easy on Dave this go round.  
Would you agree Dave?
  
  
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RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



It's 
not a case arising out of preaching on the street. Different situation. But he 
has the same attitude as many of those types of cases...self-righteous and won't 
shut up which in turn harms his case.
 
Kay

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 08.31To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  What case Kay?
  So I can know where you are coming 
from.




RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



LOL! 

Then I 
would guess when he came back into the fold, he got a new body in the form of a 
sheep?
:)
 
Kay

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 08.27To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  Oh so it was a Goat all the time.
  A tare among the wheat!Slade Henson 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

I 
don't think so...the one sheep was "lost".
 
Kay

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy 
  TaylorSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 07.42To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  A big problem with this analogy and street 
  preaching is that "sheep" are already in the fold so they 
  "know"
  the voice of the Shepherd - even John the Baptist 
  was preaching to God's Covenant people. 
   
  I have my own issues 
  with the methods of some Street Preachers 
  (not all) because I don't like "throwing yourself down from the pinnacle of the temple" type antics.  However, they 
  are doing something not many of us would want to do
  and they are exposing ppl who would never be 
  confronted in their own circles to the name of Jesus - Paul said that even if someone is 
  out there for a wrong motive we should be thankful for that, so I now 
  bless them in Jesus name.  jt
   
  On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:11:24 -0500 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  writes:
  Au contraire, contraire, preacher! All you have to do is 
  lead...they follow. You never have to udder (hehehe...I know that's for 
  cows) 
  a word to them.    Kay, who 
  has raised sheep with Slade
  

  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin 
  Deegan
  Can't get em by your zipped lip either!Jeff Powers 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
  perfect analogy!
  

   
  From: 
  Slade Henson 
   
  
  
  What do you 
  think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone 
  astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go 
  and search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he 
  finds it, truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over 
  the ninety-nine which have not gone astray.
  Anyone who has raised sheep knows you 
  can't get the lost sheep to come back to the fold by chasing and 
  screaming at her.
  - slade
  
From: Kevin 
DeeganI have been easy on Dave this go round.  
Would you agree Dave?
  
  
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RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



I 
don't think so...the one sheep was "lost".
 
Kay

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy 
  TaylorSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 07.42To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  A big problem with this analogy and street preaching 
  is that "sheep" are already in the fold so they "know"
  the voice of the Shepherd - even John the Baptist was 
  preaching to God's Covenant people. 
   
  I have my own issues with 
  the methods of some Street Preachers (not all) 
  because I don't like "throwing yourself down from the pinnacle of the temple" type antics.  However, they are 
  doing something not many of us would want to do
  and they are exposing ppl who would never be 
  confronted in their own circles to the name of Jesus - Paul said that even if someone is out 
  there for a wrong motive we should be thankful for that, so I now bless them 
  in Jesus name.  jt
   
  On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:11:24 -0500 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  writes:
  Au 
  contraire, contraire, preacher! All you have to do is lead...they follow. You 
  never have to udder (hehehe...I know that's for cows) 
  a 
  word to them.    Kay, who has 
  raised sheep with Slade
  

  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin 
  Deegan
  Can't get em by your zipped lip either!Jeff Powers 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
      perfect analogy!
  

   
  From: 
  Slade Henson 
   
  
  
  What do you 
  think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone 
  astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and 
  search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it, 
  truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine 
  which have not gone astray.
  Anyone who has raised sheep knows you can't 
  get the lost sheep to come back to the fold by chasing and screaming 
  at her.
  - slade
  
From: Kevin DeeganI have been easy 
on Dave this go round.  
Would you agree Dave?
  
  
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RE: [TruthTalk] Bookman

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



Oh...I 
didn't read THAT about the book! Oh, my!
I just 
realized it wasn't the one I thought it was...I was thinking of some Bible Code 
book...I think that one is BUNK.
 
K.

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Lance 
  MuirSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 08.02To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] 
  Bookman
  No. This is the one where Jesus fathered a child 
  via Mary Magdalene.
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Slade 
Henson 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: January 19, 2005 07:58
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Bookman

Is 
that the one with all the hidden Bible codes in it??
 
Kay

  -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy 
  TaylorSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 07.55To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: 
  [TruthTalk] Bookman
   
  Say Lance (the Bookman), do you sell and/or have 
  you read the DaVinci code and if so do you
  have an opinion about it?  Aso anyone else 
  on TT. My neice in Australia is reading it and she is
  totally anti Bible, anti Church that my interest 
  has been tweaked because she says she "likes" 
  it. jt




RE: [TruthTalk] Bookman

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



It's 
not what I thought it was. I just looked it up and read the reviews. It's a 
mystery novel.
 
Kay

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Lance 
  MuirSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 08.01To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] 
  Bookman
  Sell? No! I've listen to the audiobook of the 
  novel. IMO, it isn't outstanding. Several responses have issued from Christian 
  sourses. If interested to know more then, just ask.
   
  - Original Message - 
  
From: 
Judy 
Taylor 
To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: January 19, 2005 07:55
Subject: [TruthTalk] Bookman

 
Say Lance (the Bookman), do you sell and/or have 
you read the DaVinci code and if so do you
have an opinion about it?  Aso anyone else on 
TT. My neice in Australia is reading it and she is
totally anti Bible, anti Church that my interest 
has been tweaked because she says she "likes" it. 
jt




RE: [TruthTalk] Bookman

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



Is 
that the one with all the hidden Bible codes in it??
 
Kay

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy 
  TaylorSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 07.55To: 
  truthtalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [TruthTalk] 
  Bookman
   
  Say Lance (the Bookman), do you sell and/or have you 
  read the DaVinci code and if so do you
  have an opinion about it?  Aso anyone else on 
  TT. My neice in Australia is reading it and she is
  totally anti Bible, anti Church that my interest has 
  been tweaked because she says she "likes" it. 
  jt




RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



LOL! 
That was hysterical
 
Kay

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Jeff 
  PowersSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 16.37To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional 
  Christian theology -- does sham mean anything
  In my younger days we called it "Tripping"!  
  




RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



I was 
waiting for that, too, Izzy
 
Kay

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of 
  ShieldsFamilySent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 
  06.41To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: 
  [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
  
  Yes, I DO see John 
  the Baptist as the classic street preacher.  It got his head cut 
  off.  Lance, do you see any calling for that ministry today, or did it 
  die with John? Izzy
  (Waiting to see the 
  response of the Moderators to Jeff’s blatant ad 
  hominem.)
   
   




RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



I 
agree as well, although Jeff may not have stated it very eloquently. 

I'm 
assistance of counsel on a street preachers dependency case. I must say they are 
the ones with the MOST difficulty in following directions...to their own 
detriment.
 
Kay

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Lance 
  MuirSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 06.14To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  Does anyone view John the Baptist as a 
  model 'street preacher'? 
   
  I essentially concur with Jeff's 
  characterization. I see SP's as a kind of 'sandwich board' with 
  words.
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Jeff 
Powers 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: January 19, 2005 05:30
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a 
Christian?

Kevin, You are a Jerk! To top it off, I've met 
street preachers from coast to coast and you guys all say the same thing 
when I tell ya that I'm not interrested in your kind of "ministry". Every 
street preacher I have met has said about his fellow street preacher, "He's 
not a street preacher, come see a real street preacher in 
action..."
Guess what? ALL OF YOU ARE THE SAME. Rude, 
obnoxious, irritating, and I have seen you guys scare more people away from 
Messiah than draw in. 
You are all fuel for the worlds critics, showing 
just how asinine and irrelevant faith is to the modern world. 
 Then you guys even have the balls to say that 
you do it out of love of Messiah!! It does not matter if one is a believer 
or not, most people want nothing to do with that kind of "love". It is not 
love of Messiah or your fellow man that you act the way you do. It's love of 
power and the ability to call someone names, belittle and berate them. 

Street Preachers are the dangerous ones, they do 
more harm than good.
Jeff
 
Life makes warriors of us all.To emerge the 
victors, we must armourselves with the most potent of weapons.That 
weapon is prayer.--Rebbe Nachman of Breslov

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 
  0:14
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  
  baaa baaa baad - Terrible analogy, how could you 
  miss it?
  Mormons are not sheep but goats
   
  When He comes in His glory:
   
  MT 25 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, 
  but the goats on the left
   
  Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed 
  of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of 
  the world
   
  Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart 
  from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his 
  angelsJeff Powers 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  



perfect analogy!

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Slade Henson 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 
  20:45
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is 
  a Christian?
  
  
  What do you 
  think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone 
  astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and 
  search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it, 
  truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine 
  which have not gone astray.
  Anyone who has raised sheep knows you can't 
  get the lost sheep to come back to the fold by chasing and screaming 
  at her.
  - slade
  
-Original Message-From: Kevin 
DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 
18.40Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a 
Christian?
I have been easy on Dave this go round.  
Would you agree Dave?
  
  
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RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



Being 
called "Christians" was a derogatory statement, right?
 
Kay

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 22.49To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  I do not follow, to which does which refer?Slade Henson 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
  

Which was a derogatory statement, correct?
 
Kay

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 19.12To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  I was just curious, since the BOM has so many ANACHRONISTIC errors 
  about Christ in it.
   
  NO, how could they be Christians before Christ came into the 
  world?
   
  Acts 11:26 And the disciples were called Christians first in 
  Antioch.
  
  
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RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



Au 
contraire, contraire, preacher! All you have to do is lead...they follow. You 
never have to udder (hehehe...I know that's for cows) a word to 
them.
 
Kay, 
who has raised sheep with Slade

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 22.05To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  Can't get em by your zipped lip either!Jeff Powers 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
  



perfect analogy!

  - Original Message - 
      From: 
  Slade Henson 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 
  20:45
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  
  
  What do you think? If 
  any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not 
  leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and search for the one that 
  is straying? If it turns out that he finds it, truly I say to you, he 
  rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine which have not gone 
  astray.
  Anyone who has raised sheep knows you can't get 
  the lost sheep to come back to the fold by chasing and screaming at 
  her.
  - 
  slade
  
-Original Message-From: Kevin 
DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 
18.40Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a 
Christian?
I have been easy on Dave this go round.  

Would you agree Dave?
  
  
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RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



I 
don't think so, but it's okay if you do. I think it's literally stars from the 
sky, not angels. Continue reading to verse 9...when the Dragon (Satan) is hurled 
down with his angels.
 
Kay
 
 
 
 -Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of 
ShieldsFamilySent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 23.16To: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional 
Christian theology

  
  Hint: “Stars” = 
  “Angels”? 
   
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Slade 
  HensonSent: Tuesday, January 
  18, 2005 7:24 PMTo: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional 
  Christian theology
   
  
  I said literally 
  STARS.
  
   
  
  Who/what is the 
  Dragon/snakehint: serpent.
  
   
  
  Kay
  
-Original 
Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 
09.39To: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional 
Christian theology
 

  Thought you all 
  might find this interesting...I like to go to literal, word for word 
  translations. I have found it helps 
  alot...
  
  Quoted from 
  The Orthodox Jewish Brit Chadasha:
  
   
  
  Hisgalus (The 
  Revelation) Perek Yod Beit (Chapter 12) v. 
  4
  
   
  
  And the tail of 
  him drags down a third of the kokhavim (stars) of Shomayim (heaven) and 
  threw them to ha'aretz (the earth), and the Dragon NACHASH (snake) was 
  standing before the ISHA (woman) who was about to give birth, that when 
  she gives birth to the YELED 
(Child)
  
    
  
  Seems to me it's 
  literally stars that are thrown down from 
  heaven.
  
  Kay
   
  By 
  a literal dragon/snake? I think not. 
  Izzy




RE: [TruthTalk] Why the Eternal Sonship of Christ Matters to Me

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



Actually my wife was kind of quoting me (and put my name on the bottom of 
her post). I was speaking about the Hebrew Oral tradition that was eventually 
(and rather quickly) written/translated into Greek and the translated into 
English. It's a mistake to understand idiomatic language word for word. It needs 
to be understood phrase by phrase.
 
"I'm 
going to stay up until the cows come home"  means "I'm going to stay up really late." If you try to 
understand it word for word, the person will be going to bed about 75 minutes 
before dark.
 
-- 
slade

  -Original Message-From: 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Dave 
  HansenSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 01.07To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Why the Eternal 
  Sonship of Christ Matters to MeDAVEH:   
  Hmmaybe Slade's referring to the way Mormons are accused of 
  defining things differently!   ;-) 
  David Miller wrote: 
  Slade wrote:
  
Yes, basically it has nothing to do with it.
"Begot" is a terrible translation. Two different
languages

What do you mean by "two different languages"?
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RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



How is 
this a rebuke?
 
Again, 
you do not believe Mormon are "True Christians" therefore are not subject to 
"Rebuke." The disciples, as True Christians, ARE subject to rebuke (if this even 
is a rebuke) because of "wrong belief" as you call it.
 
-- 
slade 

  -Original Message-From: Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 00.36
  Here is an example of Rebuke for wrong belief
   
  Mark 16:14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and 
  upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, 
  because they believed not them which had seen him after he 
  was risen.Slade Henson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  

Yes, some Christians need rebuke. I can 
think of several in need of a good spanking. So do some Jewish 
people. This is the main purpose of the Prophetic Office -- to get G-d's 
people back in line.
 
-- 
slade




RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



Reread 
my post and you will see that is is not suggested. In fact, the man went 
out and SOUGHT the lost sheep.
 
-- 
slade

  -Original Message-From: Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 22.05 
  
  

  From: 
  Slade Henson 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 
  20:45
  What do you think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them 
  has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go 
  and search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it, 
  truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine 
  which have not gone astray.
  
  Anyone who has raised sheep knows you can't get 
  the lost sheep to come back to the fold by chasing and screaming at 
  her.
  - 
  slade
  
From: Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 
January, 2005 18.40
I have been easy on Dave this go round.  

Would you agree 
Dave?




RE: [TruthTalk] Was Abraham a Christian?

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



The 
logic, David, does not work. The early Messianic believers in Messiah called 
themselves haDerechim... followers of The Way. They were called "Christians" by 
their opponents in Antioch, that's why it is believed by many to be an 
"insulting" term... like being called a "Jesus Freak."
 
Had 
the text of BOM said "Followers of The Way" or something similar, there would be 
fuel for your argument because I know a couple groups called themselves 
followers of The Way throughout Judaism. Unfortunately the author of the Books 
of Mormon didn't have the historical background to understand 
this.
 
-- 
slade

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Dave 
  HansenSent: Wednesday, 19 January, 2005 01.01To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [TruthTalk] Was Abraham a 
  Christian?DAVEH:   Hm.Is it really 
  possible for there not to have been any Christians prior to those mentioned in 
  Acts 11:26.say, not even before Christ came into the world???  
  As I see it, it is no less likely than Jesus being our Redeemer before he came 
  into the world.  If one simply draws a quick conclusion by prooftexting 
  one Bible passage without looking at the big picture, one might draw the 
  conclusion that there were no Christians prior to vs 26.   However, 
  LDS theology teaches that the Gospel is an eternal concept that existed before 
  the foundations of the world.  We believe Jesus was our Saviour and 
  Redeemer in the pre-mortal existence, and those following him in that realm 
  qualified us to be Christians therelong before even Adam was born.  
  Now I know you probably don't want to consider that possibility, as it was a 
  long time ago and your memory about it (yes, I believe you were there rooting 
  for Jesus then as strongly as you are rooting for him now!) is as vague as 
  mine.  Solet's step outside the realm of the Bible for a minute, and 
  let me take you to an earlier era where the followers of Christ were called 
  Christians before he was born...And those who did 
  belong to the church were faithful; yea, all those who were true believers in 
  Christ took upon them, gladly, the name of Christ, or Christians as they were 
  called, because of their belief in Christ, who should come.    
  Alma 46:15..That was spoken by a BoM prophet some 73 years 
  before the birth of our Lord, which predates his disciples mentioned in vs 26 
  by approximately a hundred plus years.   Yikes.that does sound 
  rather ANACHRONISTIC, doesn't it!  Maybe you've got a point to consider, 
  Kevin.  Those folks in the BoM really believed Jesus would be coming in 
  the future, and hence were considered to be Christians at that time.  Do 
  you suppose there are any Bible passages that suggests Jesus would be born in 
  the future?   I'd be tempted to quote some pertinent passages, but I 
  don't want to irritate Perry any more than I already have by picking and 
  choosing Scripture as evidence that my LDS biased beliefs are supported by the 
  Bible.  Hopefully you get the point, Kevin.   FTR...from my 
  (LDS) perspective, those who believed in the forthcoming Messiah (Jesus 
  Christ), were Christians.    Even though the disciples 
  mentioned in vs 26 (Acts 11) denotes those to first be called Christians in 
  the NT, it does not logically follow that they were actually the first 
  Christians, Kevin.  Just think of the throngs of believers who 
  followed Jesus during his ministrywere they not Christians as well?  
  Furthermore, I think we can simplify this discussion if we consider the proper 
  definition of Christian.and we've discussed that a bit, eh!  For the 
  sake of simplicity, let's use your definition, Kevin..
  Christians: 
  Those who worship the One true God who has REVEALED Himself through 
  the Bible...Now Kevin, were the disciples in vs 
  26 the first to worship the One true God?  I 
  don't believe so, and I suspect you don't either.  Did any of Jesus' 
  followers through the early part of his ministry do such ( worship the 
  One true God)?  If so, why cannot they also be considered to be 
  Christians, even if the term was not Biblically used to denote them as 
  such?    Moving on to the original question you posed 
  below as to whether or not I believed Abraham was a Christian.Let's apply 
  the same standard.  Do you think Abraham 
  worshiped the One true God?  According 
  to LDS theology, he didhence my answer in the affirmative.  I can't 
  speak for your side of the fence though, so what do you think, Kevin..Did 
  Abraham worship the One true God who has REVEALED Himself through the 
  Bible?Kevin Deegan wrote: 
  
I was just curious, since the BOM has so many ANACHRONISTIC errors 
about Christ in it.
 
NO, how could they be Christians before Christ came into the 
world?
 
Acts 11:26 And the disciples were called Christ

[TruthTalk] Evangelistic Opportunity

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson



For 
those who like to purchase REALLY INEXPENSIVE BIBLES for giveaways, etc., check 
out the link below.
 
http://www.gospelcom.net/abs/specials/damaged.php
 
-- 
slade




RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-18 Thread Slade Henson



The 
comment below gives me an opportunity to state what has been on my mind for a 
while. Why does TruthTalk succeed and why doesn't TruthTalk grow? It's all in 
the same word: antagonism.
 
We 
succeed because we bicker and wrestle each other over the less-weightier things 
of Scripture. If we were to suddenly agree on all points, one by one, we would 
leave the list.
 
We 
also do not grow because we bicker and wrestle each other over the 
less-weightier things of Scripture.
 
--slade

  -Original Message-From: Dave HansenSent: 
  Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 00.24Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  
but G-d has us standing one two different shores of 
doctrine at this time.DAVEH:  I don't 
  see that as a big problem for this type of forum at all.  Unfortunately, 
  some do.  While the divide between us seems great at this time, I wonder 
  if in the grand scheme of the Lord's Gospel, the fences we build on earth will 
  be recognizable once we are on the other side of the veil.  So...maybe 
  while we are here on earth, wouldn't it be nice if we could lower those fences 
  enough to peek over on the other side occasionally?  It seems to me that 
  TT is a great place where those with diverse opinions and beliefs can talk 
  about our differences over those fences without letting friction heat the fuse 
  of spiritual destruction to the point of ignition.  But...it does require 
  a little effort from each one of us.




RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related STICKS

2005-01-18 Thread Slade Henson
Good rebuttal, Blaine.

--slade

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 20.59
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related STICKS

KEVIN: Blaine what does the Bible say about the tribe of EPHRAIM?
Can you show me them in the lists in Revelation?

BLAINE: The name Ephraim is not included in the list of the 12 tribes in the
Book of Revelation. The names of Joseph and his son Manasseh are listed,
however. Since Joseph only had two sons, who else could "Joseph" be except
Ephraim?

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RE: [TruthTalk] Greek Dualism

2005-01-18 Thread Slade Henson



NOW I understand David's post. The use of the 
word "objects" lost me (the noun vs. verb thing).
 
1 -- 
JUDYT: Why do you think it's not a Hellenistic thought, 
Judy.
 
2 -- 
DAVIDM: Why do you, David Miller, think it's a "Sadducean" Hebraic mindset 
when the Tzedukim (aka the minim in early Rabbinic literature) lost their power 
base in 70 CE and died out within a generation?
 
-- 
slade

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy 
  TaylorSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 20.22To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek 
  Dualism
  
   
  On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:48:37 -0500 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:Terry 
  wrote:On the cross, Jesus indeed gave up His spirit, and His body was 
  left to be wrapped in aloesand buried.  But later, when He 
  ascended, He went in one peice. You are pointing something 
  out here that fits real well with Greek Dualism,  but the Sadducean 
  Hebraic Mindset objects.Peace be with you.  David Miller.
   
  jt: Why would we need  the Sadducean Hebraic 
  Mindset to define truth for us - weren't they the ones who did 
not
  believe in the resurrection?  I heard a preacher 
  say once "That's why they were sad-u-cee" .. Neither is this 
  Greek
  dualism.  What's wrong with just saying what the 
  scriptures say?  judyt




RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related STICKS

2005-01-18 Thread Slade Henson



This 
is a very interesting point.
 
-- 
slade

  -Original Message-From: Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 19.04Subject: RE: 
  [TruthTalk] Mormon Related STICKS
  what does the Bible say about the tribe of EPHRAIM?
  Can you show me them in the lists in 
Revelation?




RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-18 Thread Slade Henson



I have 
no problem with that. That's why I asked. I need to know how far this thing 
needs to go.
 
-- 
slade

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy 
  TaylorSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 20.07To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional 
  Christian theology -- does sham mean anything
  
  It is my opinion - that this moderation thing is 
  getting too oppressive.  When it becomes impossible to dialogue with 
  another person without
  constant nit picking about ad hominems then communicating 
  becomes more of a burden than a joy..  Is it really necessary?  
  There was no question about ad hominem when G accused me of writing on an 
  8th grade level. which is both personal and unflattering along with the 
  ongoing cult and myth accusations...Is my referring to Lance's incarnation 
  doctrine one time worse than all that?  Hey! I can overlook some things - 
  in fact I would rather overlook things myself than live with 
  this constant scrutiny.  Could we save it for crisis 
  situations?
  
  
  
  


From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Slade 
HensonIs this considered 
an ad hominem? "My belief is that you are in a time warp, stuck 
in your cosmic incarnation 
while DavidM, myself and others have moved on to the 
resurrection" Or do we allow 
the lawyers say, "it is not an ad hominem because Judy used the term 
"My belief 
is?" -- 
slade
 
FWIW 
  Lance,  My belief is that you are in a time warp, stuck in your 
  cosmic incarnation 
  while DavidM, myself and others have moved on to the resurrection.  
  It is the power that emanates from the resurrection that enables a 
  believer to be free from sin past, the power of sin present, and the 
  future consequence for sin.  This is not just static theology - it's 
  a living way that needs to be walked in.  
  jt
  
   
  
  On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:34:58 -0500 "Lance Muir" 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  writes:
  

Jt asks:'don't you believe 
it is in the realm of possibility for David Miller?' NO I DO NOT! 
However, it could well be that the text, here and elsewhere, yourself, 
and David Miller are in possession of an 'objective truth' that eludes 
me.

  
  From: 
  Judy Taylor 
  
  
  Thank you 
  for those thoughts Lance. I use "from what I understand" in this 
  instance because I am dealing with ppl
  
  in different 
  stages of spiritual growth who may not see things as I see them.  
  However, I do believe in such a thing 
  as
  
  objective truth. 
  I do believe that there is a right and a wrong, a good and an 
  evil.  Everything is not "subjective" - 
  
  
   
  
  Paul the apostle 
  told the people at Corinth the most wicked city in the 
  known world to "awake to righteousness and sin not" - Is this just a 
  play on words? Was he telling them to do something that was 
  impossible? If the Corinthians were able to do this don't you believe 
  it is in the realm of possibility for David Miller?  You are 
  wrong about every believer consciously and actively sinning daily in 
  thought, word, and deed; if this is what is going on then these people 
  (even those who profess to be following Christ) are deceived ppl who 
  are walking in unbelief.  jt
  
   
  
  On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 06:49:07 -0500 "Lance 
  Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  writes:
  

Jt says: 'from what I 
understand David to say' As everyone has access to what David has 
'said',  IMO this is not the difficulty that John has. Even 
you, Judy, have had to qualify by uttering 'from what I understand' 
thus indicating that you just might be incorrect. I'd posit a couple 
of thoughts on this and, related 
matters:

 

1. Implicit in every 
utterance is some version 
of:'as I see it', in my opinion, 'from what I 
understand of the text before 
me'

 

2. All speaking of 
anything is partial and 
provisional.

 

3. David himself may not 
know how to answer John's question with the sort of clarity John 
wants. We did have this discussion some time ago with, as I recall, 
the same outcome.

 
 

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-18 Thread Slade Henson




What do you think? If any 
man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the 
ninety-nine on the mountains and go and search for the one that is straying? If 
it turns out that he finds it, truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than 
over the ninety-nine which have not gone astray.
Anyone who has raised sheep knows you can't get the 
lost sheep to come back to the fold by chasing and screaming at 
her.
- 
slade

  -Original Message-From: Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 18.40Subject: RE: 
  [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
  I have been easy on Dave this go round.  
  
  Would you agree Dave?




RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-18 Thread Slade Henson
I believe you missed Dave's point. The Street Preachers are there to rid the
adherents of their false doctrine, but what are they doing?? The Street
Preachers are causing them to be even MORE adherent!

-- slade

-Original Message-
From: David Miller
Sent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 18.44
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

Kevin has a point here, Dave.  If the Street Preachers are driving the LDS
members closer together, shouldn't you be happy about that?  Maybe the LDS
organization should be paying the Street Preachers to come to your
conferences.

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RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-18 Thread Slade Henson



Yes, 
some Christians need rebuke. I can think of several in need of a good 
spanking. So do some Jewish people. This is the main purpose of the 
Prophetic Office -- to get G-d's people back in line.
 
-- 
slade

  -Original Message-From: Kevin DeeganSent: 
  Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 18.39
   
  Do Christians ever need rebuke?




RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-18 Thread Slade Henson



Messiah neither demeaned nor belittled. To do so is 
sin.
 
-- 
slade

  -Original Message-From: Kevin DeeganSent: 
  Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 18.56Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  
  The original question 
  REMAINS: Did Christ deman or 
  belittle?




RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-18 Thread Slade Henson



Which 
was a derogatory statement, correct?
 
Kay

  -Original Message-From: 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 19.12To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  I was just curious, since the BOM has so many ANACHRONISTIC errors about 
  Christ in it.
   
  NO, how could they be Christians before Christ came into the world?
   
  Acts 11:26 And the disciples were called Christians first in 
  Antioch.




RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-18 Thread Slade Henson
Show me both.

--slade

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 18.49
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?


Slade wrote:
> He rebuked some. Who did He rebuke?
> 1 -- Those within the fold who were acting as they shouldn't?
>  --or--
> 2 -- Those outside who were acting as they shouldn't?

Both.

Peace be with you.
David Miller.

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RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-18 Thread Slade Henson



I said 
literally STARS.
 
Who/what is the Dragon/snakehint: serpent.
 
Kay

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  ShieldsFamilySent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 
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  [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology
  
   
  

Thought you all 
might find this interesting...I like to go to literal, word for word 
translations. I have found it helps 
alot...

Quoted from 
The Orthodox Jewish Brit Chadasha:

 

Hisgalus (The 
Revelation) Perek Yod Beit (Chapter 12) v. 
4

 

And the tail of him 
drags down a third of the kokhavim (stars) of Shomayim (heaven) and threw 
them to ha'aretz (the earth), and the Dragon NACHASH (snake) was standing 
before the ISHA (woman) who was about to give birth, that when she gives 
birth to the YELED (Child)

  

Seems to me it's 
literally stars that are thrown down from 
heaven.

Kay
 
By 
a literal dragon/snake? I think not. 
Izzy




RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-18 Thread Slade Henson



Kevin.
 
So I 
can better know how to relate to you, would you answer these questions for 
me?
 
1. 
What is your physical age?
2. How 
long have you been a believer?
 
-- 
slade

  -Original Message-From: 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 14.19To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  I only know of him ONLINE..
  He does NOT have a Street Preacher's heart.
   
  Let me splain it to ya this way, OK?
   
  We took a Christian man to a very large "protest march"
  There were all kinds of Angry people marching for all kinds of 
  Demands
  This Christian was so scared he sat the whole time by the police line 
  near hundreds of police.
  When we got home he told wonderous stories and told everyone he was a 
  SP
  Not sure where his heart was. In fact this man once said to me of a group 
  he was frustrated over "let them burn in hell"
  I care not for any to go to Hell!
   
  Have you ever seen a Street Preacher weep for those caught in sin?
  I have many times
  Have you ever seen a Street Preacher PRAY for the lost and Cry out to 
  God,  till his eyes were red and snot was coming out his nose?
  I have many times
  That is a Street Preachers heart!Slade Henson 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Okay...what's the difference? Someone else told me 
the same thing. Are you blessed with knowing Daniel Lee? What is the 
difference between Street Preacher Daniel Lee sort and a Street 
Preacher sort?
 
 
Kay

  -Original Message-From: 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 13.37To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  Yes I read it. She will never get saved after meeting 
  that idiot.
   
  That WAS NOT a STREET PREACHER Sort!
  It was probably a Dan Lee 
sort
  
  
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RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-18 Thread Slade Henson



He 
rebuked some. Who did He rebuke? 
 
   1 -- Those within the fold who were acting as they 
shouldn't?
 
    --or--
 
   2 -- Those outside who were acting as they 
shouldn't?
 
-- 
slade

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 14.07To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  
  KAY SAID: "Preach the word" doesn't mean yell, scream, demean, 
  or belittle the personreprove, rebuke, and exhort do not mean belittle or 
  demean, either. It's all in the way it's served on the plate, whether it's 
  accepted as something sweet to the taste, or something that is rejected and 
  vomited. 
   
  QUESTION: Did Jesus ever demean or belittle 
  anyone?
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RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-18 Thread Slade Henson



Perhaps we need to consider who gets the preaching and who gets the 
reprove/rebuke/exhort. Perhaps two different groups?
 
-- 
slade

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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of 
  ShieldsFamilySent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 
  13.12To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: 
  [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?
  
  
  2 Tim 4:2 
  Preach the word; be 
  instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, 
  exhort with all 
  longsuffering and doctrine.
  
  There are only 2 times to preach IN season & Out 
  of season
  
  Very 
  true Kevin.  However I don’t read the word “Bludgeon” in there.  We 
  cannot bludgeon anyone into the kingdom.  A rebuke and a reproof and 
  exhortation can be done with dignity and firmness—but doesn’t always have to 
  be harsh.  Your heart is in the right place.  Check the fruit of 
  your efforts to see if they are working now and then.  Maybe they are; I 
  don’t know. I just know that DaveH has chosen his path, and I can’t reason or 
  scream him out of it.  Some things are between him and his conscience. 
  I’m ready to talk if/when he is ready, but can’t barge in against his will. 
  Izzy




RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-18 Thread Slade Henson



I 
appreciate the love you have for Kevin Deegan and I did consider the risk of 
appearing to want to drown Kevin' s voice. This was not the case. My love 
for Dave Hansen prompted the voice of concern you should have heard in my 
post. 
 
-- 
slade

  -Original Message-From: Judy TaylorSent: 
  Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 06.22
  Looks to me like you are trying to 
  moderate Kevin Deegan into silence.  Kevin has been around for 
  a long time and I'm sure Dave Hansen is used to him by now.  It's obvious 
  that Kevin has no personal vendetta or dislike for Dave and my understanding 
  is that it is love to speak the truth to someone who is in obvious 
  error - Kevin obviously spends a lot of time researching this stuff and 
  whether or not we are comfortable with what he does, he has his own part in 
  the body and serves the Lord in His own way.  His part may not be our 
  part but should we try to cut it off or stifle it?  
jt




RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-18 Thread Slade Henson



Is 
this considered an ad hominem? "My belief is that you are in a time warp, stuck in your 
cosmic incarnation while DavidM, myself and others 
have moved on to the resurrection" Or do we allow the lawyers say, "it is 
not an ad hominem because Judy used the term "My belief is?"
 
 
-- 
slade

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy 
  TaylorSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 08.00To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional 
  Christian theology -- does sham mean anything
  FWIW Lance,  My belief is that you are in a 
  time warp, stuck in your cosmic incarnation while 
  DavidM, myself and others have moved on to the resurrection.  It is the 
  power that emanates from the resurrection that enables a believer to be free 
  from sin past, the power of sin present, and the future consequence for 
  sin.  This is not just static theology - it's a living way that needs to 
  be walked in.  jt
   
  On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:34:58 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
writes:
  
Jt asks:'don't you believe it is in the realm 
of possibility for David Miller?' NO I DO NOT! However, it could well be 
that the text, here and elsewhere, yourself, and David Miller are in 
possession of an 'objective truth' that eludes me.

  From: Judy Taylor 
  Thank you for those 
  thoughts Lance. I use "from what I understand" in this instance because I 
  am dealing with ppl
  in different stages of spiritual growth who may 
  not see things as I see them.  However, I do believe in such a thing 
  as
  objective truth. I do believe that there is a 
  right and a wrong, a good and an evil.  Everything is not 
  "subjective" - 
   
  Paul the apostle told the people at Corinth the 
  most wicked city in the known world to "awake to righteousness and sin 
  not" - Is this just a play on words? Was 
  he telling them to do something that was impossible? If the Corinthians 
  were able to do this don't you believe it is in the realm of possibility 
  for David Miller?  You are wrong about every believer consciously and 
  actively sinning daily in thought, word, and deed; if this is what is 
  going on then these people (even those who profess to be following Christ) 
  are deceived ppl who are walking in unbelief.  jt
   
  On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 06:49:07 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  writes:
  
Jt says: 'from what I understand David to 
say' As everyone has access to what David has 'said',  IMO this is 
not the difficulty that John has. Even you, Judy, have had to qualify by 
uttering 'from what I understand' thus indicating that you just might be 
incorrect. I'd posit a couple of thoughts on this and, related 
matters:
 
1. Implicit in every utterance is some version of:'as I see it', in my opinion, 'from 
what I understand of the text before me'
 
2. All speaking of anything is partial and 
provisional.
 
3. David himself may not know how to answer 
John's question with the sort of clarity John wants. We did have this 
discussion some time ago with, as I recall, the same 
outcome.
 
4. David just might consider his 
approximation of an answer the 'way of humility'.
 
5. IMO, IFF David is 'one of us' then, 
he consciously, actively, sins daily in thought, 
word and deed. I am, by inference, saying the same thing of every 
believer/non-believer in the cosmos.

   
  From: 
  Judy Taylor 
   
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 
  Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything
  
  John, some people are able to separate 
  themselves. From what I understand David to say he still gets 
  around in a flesh body and he 
  has the same opportunity to sin every day as 
  the rest of us both physically and emotionally.  Are you baiting 
  him?  Is this some kind 
  of public humiliation?
   
  On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 02:24:51 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
I don't know why I have to choke this out of David, when his 
postings have been very clear on the subject to everyone except 
Judy.  Here is the question and we can start the discussion 
from this:David Miller,.  do you 
have sin in your life to any degree?   Consider 
sins of omission (knowing to do right but not taking the time or 
energy to do it);  event sins (such as murder, angry 
words,  adultery  this is the "biblical sin" usually 
referenced in the Message);  sins of the character  
   

RE: [TruthTalk] Greek Dualism

2005-01-18 Thread Slade Henson
Huh? What are you trying to say, David?

-- slade

-Original Message-
From: David Miller
Sent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 10.49
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Dualism

Terry wrote:
> On the cross, Jesus indeed gave up His spirit,
> and His body was left to be wrapped in aloes
> and buried.  But later, when He ascended,
> He went in one peice.

You are pointing something out here that fits real well with Greek Dualism,
but the Sadducean Hebraic Mindset objects

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RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-18 Thread Slade Henson



Okay...what's the difference? Someone else told me the 
same thing. Are you blessed with knowing Daniel Lee? What is the difference 
between Street Preacher Daniel Lee sort and a Street Preacher 
sort?
 
 
Kay

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 13.37To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  Yes I read it. She will never get saved after meeting that 
  idiot.
   
  That WAS NOT a STREET PREACHER Sort!
  It was probably a Dan Lee 
sort




RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-18 Thread Slade Henson



Whatever, Kevin...but you catch more flies with honey. Didn't you read 
the testimony I shared about Cheryl? It was a street preacher sort who damaged 
her so deeply that she blamed God and would have nothing to do with Him. She 
thought he was nuts, first of all, and second of all didn't want anything to do 
with a God who had people like that "working" for Him. 
Have 
you ever ASKED anyone gawking at a "street preacher" what they really 
think? Might try it sometime...you might be amazed.
 
Kay

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 12.39To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  "Preach the word" doesn't mean yell, scream, 
  demean, or belittle the personreprove, rebuke, and exhort do not mean 
  belittle or demean, either. It's all in the way it's served on the plate, 
  whether it's accepted as something sweet to the taste, or something that is 
  rejected and vomited.
   
  Not so 
  ONE message sent by Paul
  2 different RESPONSES
  2 Co 2:16 To the one we are 
  the savour of death unto death; 
  and to the other the savour of 
  life unto life. And who is sufficient for these 
  things?What made the difference?
  The heart condition
  For with the heart man believeth unto 
  righteousness
   
  When Jesus "stood at the Feast and CRIED" John 7:37 did he 
  CRY- eg. go boo whoo?
  Cry aloud like a trumpet, as commanded by 
  Scripture?
   
  "I love those that thunder out the Word, the christian world 
  is in a deep sleep. Nothing but a loud voice can awaken them out of it" 
  Whitefield 
   
  Slade Henson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  

"Preach the word" doesn't mean yell, scream, demean, or belittle the 
personreprove, rebuke, and exhort do not mean belittle or demean, 
either. It's all in the way it's served on the plate, whether it's accepted 
as something sweet to the taste, or something that is rejected and vomited. 

 
You should take it the way Slade asked it. 
 
Kay

  -Original Message-From: 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 11.41To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  Oh by the way speak "ALL MY WORDS" means
  NEGATIVE as well as POSITIVESeems the correct formula 
  would be TWO THIRDS NEGATIVE 1/3 POSITIVE
  ANYONE who is all one or the other is a BIBLE PERVERT
  Here is the PREACHERS commision
  2 Tim 4:2 Preach the word; 
  be instant in season, out of season; reprove, 
  rebuke, exhort 
  with all longsuffering and doctrine.
  There are only 2 times to preach IN season & Out of season
  Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  
"I think you took it the 
wrong way"
 
Kay what way should we take 
it?
 
AS for me I think the utimate MEAN spirit is 
the spirit of the age that does not open it's mouth lest we offend 
someone.
I bet when Dave is cast into a bottomless 
pit, you may consider you did not do enough for him or the mutitudes of 
others. I do not see visions. BUT I do have ONE vision that 
the scares the Hell out of me. It breaks my heart. It is a vision of 
what I will witness in the future. I will witness countless 
MILLIONS, bound hand and foot and cast into OUTER DARKNESS 

For many things, I will answer to God someday. 
Will I also have to answer for Blood on my 
hands?  
Ezek 33 8-9 So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a 
watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at 
my mouth, and warn them from me. When I say unto the wicked, O wicked 
man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak 
to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his 
iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine 
hand.
 
Ezek 3 But the house of Israel will not hearken unto thee; 
for they will not hearken unto me: for all the house of Israel are 
impudent and hardhearted. Behold, I have made thy face strong against 
their faces, and thy forehead strong against their foreheads. As an 
adamant harder than flint have I made thy forehead: fear them not, 
neither be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house. 
Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, all 
my words that I shall speak unto thee receive in thine heart, and 
hear with thine ears. And go, get thee 
to them of the captivity, unto the 

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-18 Thread Slade Henson



Sure 
there is...but the delivery is Divine.
 
Kay

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 12.23To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  Never any thing negative preached in the old testament or new according 
  to you?Slade Henson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote: 
  

"Preach the word" doesn't mean yell, scream, demean, or belittle the 
personreprove, rebuke, and exhort do not mean belittle or demean, 
either. It's all in the way it's served on the plate, whether it's accepted 
as something sweet to the taste, or something that is rejected and vomited. 

 
You should take it the way Slade asked it. 
 
Kay

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 11.41To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  Oh by the way speak "ALL MY WORDS" means
  NEGATIVE as well as POSITIVESeems the correct formula 
  would be TWO THIRDS NEGATIVE 1/3 POSITIVE
  ANYONE who is all one or the other is a BIBLE PERVERT
  Here is the PREACHERS commision
  2 Tim 4:2 Preach the word; 
  be instant in season, out of season; reprove, 
  rebuke, exhort 
  with all longsuffering and doctrine.
  There are only 2 times to preach IN season & Out of season
  Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  
"I think you took it the 
wrong way"
 
Kay what way should we take 
it?
 
AS for me I think the utimate MEAN spirit is 
the spirit of the age that does not open it's mouth lest we offend 
someone.
I bet when Dave is cast into a bottomless 
pit, you may consider you did not do enough for him or the mutitudes of 
others. I do not see visions. BUT I do have ONE vision that 
the scares the Hell out of me. It breaks my heart. It is a vision of 
what I will witness in the future. I will witness countless 
MILLIONS, bound hand and foot and cast into OUTER DARKNESS 

For many things, I will answer to God someday. 
Will I also have to answer for Blood on my 
hands?  
Ezek 33 8-9 So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a 
watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at 
my mouth, and warn them from me. When I say unto the wicked, O wicked 
man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak 
to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his 
iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine 
hand.
 
Ezek 3 But the house of Israel will not hearken unto thee; 
for they will not hearken unto me: for all the house of Israel are 
impudent and hardhearted. Behold, I have made thy face strong against 
their faces, and thy forehead strong against their foreheads. As an 
adamant harder than flint have I made thy forehead: fear them not, 
neither be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house. 
Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, all 
my words that I shall speak unto thee receive in thine heart, and 
hear with thine ears. And go, get thee 
to them of the captivity, unto the children of thy people, and speak unto them, and tell them, Thus saith the 
Lord GOD; whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear. Son 
of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore 
hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me. When I say 
unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, 
nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; 
the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I 
require at thine hand.  Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn 
not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his 
iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul. Again, When a righteous man 
doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a 
stumbling-block before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given 
him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he 
hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine 
hand. Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous 
sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is 
warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.
Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

  
  T

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-18 Thread Slade Henson



"Preach the word" doesn't mean yell, scream, demean, or belittle the 
personreprove, rebuke, and exhort do not mean belittle or demean, either. 
It's all in the way it's served on the plate, whether it's accepted as something 
sweet to the taste, or something that is rejected and vomited. 

 
You 
should take it the way Slade asked it. 
 
Kay

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 11.41To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  Oh by the way speak "ALL MY WORDS" means
  NEGATIVE as well as POSITIVESeems the correct formula would 
  be TWO THIRDS NEGATIVE 1/3 POSITIVE
  ANYONE who is all one or the other is a BIBLE PERVERT
  Here is the PREACHERS commision
  2 Tim 4:2 Preach the word; be 
  instant in season, out of season; reprove, 
  rebuke, exhort 
  with all longsuffering and doctrine.
  There are only 2 times to preach IN season & Out of season
  Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  
"I think you took it the wrong 
way"
 
Kay what way should we take 
it?
 
AS for me I think the utimate MEAN spirit is the 
spirit of the age that does not open it's mouth lest we offend 
someone.
I bet when Dave is cast into a bottomless 
pit, you may consider you did not do enough for him or the mutitudes of 
others. I do not see visions. BUT I do have ONE vision that the 
scares the Hell out of me. It breaks my heart. It is a vision of what I will 
witness in the future. I will witness countless MILLIONS, bound hand 
and foot and cast into OUTER DARKNESS 
For many things, I will answer to God someday. 
Will I also have to answer for Blood on my 
hands?  
Ezek 33 8-9 So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a 
watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my 
mouth, and warn them from me. When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou 
shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn 
the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but 
his blood will I require at thine 
hand.
 
Ezek 3 But the house of Israel will not hearken unto thee; for 
they will not hearken unto me: for all the house of Israel are impudent and 
hardhearted. Behold, I have made thy face strong against their faces, and 
thy forehead strong against their foreheads. As an adamant harder than flint 
have I made thy forehead: fear them not, neither be dismayed at their looks, 
though they be a rebellious house. Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, 
all my words that I shall speak unto thee 
receive in thine heart, and hear with thine ears. And go, get thee to them of the captivity, unto 
the children of thy people, and speak unto 
them, and tell them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; whether they will hear, 
or whether they will forbear. Son of man, I have made thee a watchman 
unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them 
warning from me. When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou 
givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, 
to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his 
blood will I require at thine hand.  Yet if thou warn the wicked, and 
he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in 
his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul. Again, When a righteous man 
doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a 
stumbling-block before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him 
warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done 
shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 
Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and 
he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast 
delivered thy soul.
Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

  
  Then Kay please help me to understand what this 
  is about because to me it makes no sense at all.
  We all know who the Mormons are so what would be 
  the point in using the term "the average Mormon"
  people can be just as mean in veiled ways if this 
  is their intent.  jt
   
  On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 06:45:57 -0500 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  writes:
  
I 
think you took it the wrong way, Judy.
 
Kay, 
who knows Slade very well

  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy 
  Taylor
  Looks to me like you are trying to 
  moderate Kevin Deegan into silence.  Kevin has been 
  aro

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-18 Thread Slade Henson



Hahaha...I found that funny.
Actually, I've heard of the "Sinless Doctrine"from C. Barr and Daniel 
Lee.
 
Run, 
JohnRUN!
 
K

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 
  11.09To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: 
  [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean 
  anythingIn a message dated 1/18/2005 
  5:20:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  3b. If you (you also David) are testifying to this in your life 
then, please say so without ambiguity.Yes.   That is all 
  I am getting at.    I thought it was clear until  David 
  sent that post talking about temptation and, essentially, avoiding in clear 
  statement,  what he actually taught in that very post.   It is 
  clear to me that David believes he has no sin issues (as opposed to temptation 
  matters).  Correct me if I am wrong.   He sees the work of the 
  Spirit as opposed to sin in much the same way as one end of a magnet is 
  opposed to the other (that's why it is at the other end, of course  
  ---   tell me I am not a scientist !)   With the Spirit in 
  his life --  sin MUST be repelled.   So,  there is 
  no sin.   His problem is one of Dilemma Doctrine Theology  
  (solely, a term of my creation and, yes,  I am proud).   When 
  one is going through the DDT's,  often strange and delusional matters 
  come to life.   Doctor 
J




RE: [TruthTalk] Definition of Mormon Please

2005-01-18 Thread Slade Henson



The 
Besuras Hageulah According to Lukas (Luke)
23:46
And 
having cried out with a kol gadol (loud voice), Rebbe Melech HaMoschiach said, 
Abba, BYADCHA AFKID RUCHI (Into your hands I commit my ruach [spirit]). And this 
having said, Rebbe, Melech HaMoschiach breathed out his 
last.
 
 
Kay

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy 
  TaylorSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 06.07To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Definition of 
  Mormon Please
  The good priest appears to be 'missing a part' 
  Lance.  No man is complete and entire without a spirit and 
we
  know Jesus had one - remember Luke 23:46? He didn't 
  say "Father into your hands I commend my body/soul"
  did he?  jt
   




RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-18 Thread Slade Henson



 

  Thought you all might find this interesting...I like to go to literal, 
  word for word translations. I have found it helps alot...
  Quoted from The Orthodox Jewish Brit Chadasha:
   
  Hisgalus (The Revelation) Perek Yod Beit (Chapter 12) v. 
  4
   
  And 
  the tail of him drags down a third of the kokhavim (stars) of Shomayim 
  (heaven) and threw them to ha'aretz (the earth), and the Dragon NACHASH 
  (snake) was standing before the ISHA (woman) who was about to give birth, that 
  when she gives birth to the YELED (Child)
   
   
  Seems to me it's literally stars that are thrown down from 
  heaven.
   
  Kay




RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-18 Thread Slade Henson



I 
think you took it the wrong way, Judy.
 
Kay, 
who knows Slade very well

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy 
  TaylorSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 06.22To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?
  Looks to me like you are trying to 
  moderate Kevin Deegan into silence.  Kevin has been around for 
  a long time and I'm sure Dave Hansen is used to him by now.  It's obvious 
  that Kevin has no personal vendetta or dislike for Dave and my understanding 
  is that it is love to speak the truth to someone who is in obvious 
  error - Kevin obviously spends a lot of time researching this stuff and 
  whether or not we are comfortable with what he does, he has his own part in 
  the body and serves the Lord in His own way.  His part may not be our 
  part but should we try to cut it off or stifle it?  jt
   
  On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 02:33:10 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
In a message dated 1/17/2005 6:46:02 PM Pacific Standard 
Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
A Message for Dave Hansen 
  and Dave Hansen alone  Are you offended with posts 
  of this nature that include your name in a disparaging manner? If so, 
  would you be equally offended if your name was not included and the term 
  "The average Mormon" was used?  
  The reason I ask is this:I am not a Mormon, as you 
  know, but I am embarrassed for you. Why? If Kevin Deegan hopes to 
  "convert" you away from Mormonism, it's my opinion that embarrassment and 
  ridicule is not a proper method of evangelism. I can't help believe that 
  the main thrust is to shame you away from TruthTalk.  Please let me know 
  your feelings. Privately if necessary. I love you and I [of course] would 
  like you to see the Truth as I see the Truth, but G-d has us standing one 
  two different shores of doctrine at this time.  Praying for the best 
  in us all.sladeI am 
sure glad you are around,  even if your ARE one of those 
eviil  Messianics.  Very glad.   
Jd 
 




RE: [TruthTalk] The Nicene Creed and Truthtalk Members

2005-01-18 Thread Slade Henson



Sorry. 
I misspoke. There are teaching outlines available.
 
--slade

  -Original Message-From: 
  ShieldsFamilySent: Monday, 17 January, 2005 
  22.53Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The Nicene Creed and Truthtalk 
  Members
  
  Okay……which thingy do 
  I click on for the concordance??? Izzy
   
  
  
  
  
  From: Slade 
  HensonSent: Monday, January 
  17, 2005 8:25 PMSubject: RE: 
  [TruthTalk] The Nicene Creed and Truthtalk 
  Members
   
  
  http://www.immanuelhomepage.org/Downloads.html
  
-Original 
Message-From: 
ShieldsFamilySent: Monday, 
17 January, 2005 21.01Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The Nicene 
Creed and Truthtalk Members
Could you kindly 
forward the exact link to the esword.com location which you use for a 
concordance?  I get lost when I look for it at esword.com.  
Thanks, Izzy




RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-18 Thread Slade Henson



Helps 
clarify between John the Dunker and John the Sprinkler.
 
-- 
slade

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Terry 
  CliftonSent: Monday, 17 January, 2005 21.33To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good 
  News!Slade Henson wrote: 
  

I 
wish I could tell you what PTillich's thoughts are, but I don't know who 
s/he is. The root of my question comes from this basic premise: 
it's my understanding that Messiah and the Immerser said, 
"Repent! The Kingdom of God is at hand" and I 
think they meant it. It was there for the "taking."
 
-- 
slade"Immerser". I 
  like that term.  Your idea, or is that the original language 
  term?Terry




RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-17 Thread Slade Henson



I wish 
I could tell you what PTillich's thoughts are, but I don't know who s/he is. The 
root of my question comes from this basic premise: it's my 
understanding that Messiah and the Immerser said, "Repent! The 
Kingdom of God is at hand" and I think they meant it. It was there 
for the "taking."
 
-- 
slade

  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, 17 January, 2005 21.43
  "existentialism and the 
  NT are mergd in, e.g., PTillich's thought/s--what's his take on the 
  KoG?"
   
  From: Slade HensonSent: Mon, 17 Jan 
  2005 21:23:59"Does this mean you don't believe in the 
  Kingdom of God: the presence of the PRESENT in Christ?"
   
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, 17 January, 2005 21.00"arrays/displays one subtle 
  (postOT) theme (retrospectvly) abt the KoG: the presence of the 
  future in Christ"




RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-17 Thread Slade Henson



A Message for Dave Hansen and Dave Hansen 
alone
 
Are you offended with posts of this nature that include your name in a 
disparaging manner? If so, would you be equally offended if your name was not 
included and the term "The average Mormon" was 
used?
 
The reason I ask is this:
I am not a Mormon, as you know, but I am embarrassed for you. Why? If 
Kevin Deegan hopes to "convert" you away from Mormonism, it's my opinion that 
embarrassment and ridicule is not a proper method of evangelism. I can't 
help believe that the main thrust is to shame you away from 
TruthTalk.
 
Please let me know your feelings. Privately if necessary. I love you and 
I [of course] would like you to see the Truth as I see the Truth, but G-d has us 
standing one two different shores of doctrine at this time.
 
Praying for the best in us all.
slade
 

  -Original Message-From: Kevin DeeganSent: 
  Monday, 17 January, 2005 21.18Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a 
  Christian?

  Dave must adhere to "all the good" and choose the right, else he is not a 
  True Mormon
  Dave has testified that he follows the Prophet
  Dave is not a spokesman for the church 
  Since Dave claims to be part of the Mormon Church he must follow the 
  principles below as to the prophet




RE: [TruthTalk] The Nicene Creed and Truthtalk Members

2005-01-17 Thread Slade Henson



http://www.immanuelhomepage.org/Downloads.html

  -Original Message-From: 
  ShieldsFamilySent: Monday, 17 January, 2005 
  21.01Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The Nicene Creed and Truthtalk 
  Members
  
  Could you kindly 
  forward the exact link to the esword.com location which you use for a 
  concordance?  I get lost when I look for it at esword.com.  Thanks, 
  Izzy




RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-17 Thread Slade Henson



Does 
this mean you don't believe in the Kingdom of God: the presence of the PRESENT 
in Christ?

  -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, 
  17 January, 2005 21.00Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good 
  News!
  arrays/displays one subtle 
  (postOT) theme (retrospectvly) abt the KoG: the presence of the 
  future in Christ




RE: [TruthTalk] The Nicene Creed and Truthtalk Members

2005-01-17 Thread Slade Henson



For 
more information on the early creeds and some commentary on them, I refer you to 
the following sight: http://www.immanuelhomepage.org/Downloads.html. Also, for those 
who use e-sword as their Bible program, there are some TOP files that you may 
find interesting... especially if you like someone named John 
Piper.
 
--slade




RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-17 Thread Slade Henson



Hello 
again, Debbie.
 
I 
enjoyed your thoughts here. Your noncompartmentalization is Hebraic in context. 
Pray tell... what is your background or what have you been exposed to 
recently?
 
-- 
slade

  -Original Message-From: Debbie 
  SawczakSent: Monday, 17 January, 2005 17.29Subject: RE: 
  [TruthTalk] Good News!
  Hi 
  Judy, let me paraphrase/periphrase "there is no sacred vs profane", as that is 
  a dualism perhaps unfamiliar to you, which uses the word "profane" differently 
  than the texts you mention below. "There is no sacred vs 
  profane" means that life is not divided into two compartments, a 
  spiritual/religious/faithy/Bibley compartment on the one hand and everything 
  else on the other. It means there is no part of life which is not affected by 
  our relationship with God; there is no sphere of activity over which he does 
  not have the supreme claim, or to which he is not 
relevant.




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