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- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/4/2006 4:09:39 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** Why not do something about Drunk driving? or would that cut into government profits? There were 16,694 alcohol-related fatalities in 2004 more than US deaths in Iraq Why are road blocks never set up in the bar district? cd: Revenue from the bar district? Maybe:-)Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with you, but I would not blame all tradition (which is what religion is, ultimately, no?). Religion has become been used for evil because man is evil. It's like the old adage about whether or not guns kill people, or people kill people. But just because the answer is "people" does not necessarily mean that you shouldn't put some restictions on the process for purchasing a fire arm. The problem with religion (and also gun control) is that man would still be evil, even without religion and guns.But I agree with what you have written, Lance. :-) Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Were 'religion' to be characterized as (wo)man's self-generated effort at redemption then, I'd say that it IS responsible for much of the evil in the world. Religion is very big in church. - Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 18:27 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ******* To all list members-ModeratorComment*** G, the lyrics fantacize about a world where there is no God, no consequences for our actions. It's also based on the false idea that man has no fallen nature. And, most offensive to me, it blames the evil in the world on religion, not on our fallen nature. Religion has been the scapegoat for a lot of evil in history and today. Do it in the name of God and you have a special type of defense. But we must recognize the religion isn't evil, tradition isn't evil, man is. That idea is the foundation of our gospel. Man is fallen and needs a savior. Lennon's song refutes that foundation and appeals to man's desire to deceive himself and to lay the blame for our sinful state on someone else, in this case, all religion.Do you disagree?Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cd: Listen to the words G. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/28/2006 11:48:18 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ******* To all list members-ModeratorComment*** On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:21:01 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lennons song "Imagine" is an attack against God how so, Bro? --- for ref: ImagineImagine there's no heaven,It's easy if you try,No hell below us,Above us only sky,Imagine all the peopleliving for today...Imagine there's no countries,It isnt hard to do,Nothing to kill or die for,No religion too,Imagine all the peopleliving life in peace...Imagine no possesions,I wonder if you can,No need for greed or hunger,A brotherhood of man,Imagine all the peopleSharing all the world...You may say Im a dreamer,but Im not the only one,I hope some day you'll join us,And the world will live as one. Writen by: John Lennon© Bag productions inc. Yahoo! MailUse Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. Brings words and photos together (easily) withPhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. Yahoo! MailUse Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.
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cd: You are reaching again Gary. I would never use any weapon except the word of God to proterct my religion-But I would use one to protect my family. So when you speak for me remember (1) I never asked you to in the first place and (2)Try actually reading what I am saying. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/4/2006 9:59:34 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** ..he thinks that semi-auto sawed off self-defense ispretty good (for protectin' his her)religion, Bro, and he's the moderator On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:50:53 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..cd's gonna have tosend hera sawed offKalishnikov just to protect herselffrom you, Bro On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:40:24 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: whilethe lovelylady's locked intoLennon's lyrics? that's an Ad Hominemif there ever was one, Bro, totally disrespectful, impolite, imprudent, even impudent given the subject line of the thread On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:10:53 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thats it, Thats it, it is MANDATORY Densitivity Training for You!||I had a good deal of trouble understanding one sentence of that post
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cd:Try reading it again Gary ; Luk 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his sc rip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luk 22:37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end. Luk 22:38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/4/2006 10:20:41 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** nope: - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 14:51 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Emailing: kalashnikov.guns.ru.htm cd: A very good self defense weapon, Lance-proven thru many battlefields tobe relialable.Do you get my point-Self defense! A 4/10 shot gun is great ..I suggest you get one for her. Did not Christ himself tell his disciple to purchase a sword?.. On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:14:50 -0800 (PST) Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: G wrote:and he's the moderator[..was It]Kevin that wrote that, not Dean[?][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ..he thinks that semi-auto sawed off self-defense ispretty good (for protectin' his her)religion, Bro, and he's the moderator On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:50:53 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..cd's gonna have tosend hera sawed offKalishnikov just to protect herselffrom you, Bro On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:40:24 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: whilethe lovelylady's locked intoLennon's lyrics? that's an Ad Hominemif there ever was one, Bro, totally disrespectful, impolite, imprudent, even impudent given the subject line of the thread On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:10:53 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thats it, Thats it, it is MANDATORY Densitivity Training for You!||I had a good deal of trouble understanding one sentence of that post Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
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- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/4/2006 10:31:48 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** hey C, at the rapture, you cdgonna lay your Kalishnikov's at the feet of Christ? cd:Pro 6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
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cd: Hey when the job get tough who would you call on to do it? - Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/4/2006 10:15:04 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** G wrote:and he's the moderatorIt was Kevin that wrote that, not Dean. :-)[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ..he thinks that semi-auto sawed off self-defense ispretty good (for protectin' his her)religion, Bro, and he's the moderator On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:50:53 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..cd's gonna have tosend hera sawed offKalishnikov just to protect herselffrom you, Bro On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:40:24 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: whilethe lovelylady's locked intoLennon's lyrics? that's an Ad Hominemif there ever was one, Bro, totally disrespectful, impolite, imprudent, even impudent given the subject line of the thread On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:10:53 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thats it, Thats it, it is MANDATORY Densitivity Training for You!||I had a good deal of trouble understanding one sentence of that post Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
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Why 'Ghostbusters' of course. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 05, 2006 10:37 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** cd: Hey when the job get tough who would you call on to do it? - Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/4/2006 10:15:04 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** G wrote:and he's the moderatorIt was Kevin that wrote that, not Dean. :-)[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ..he thinks that semi-auto sawed off self-defense ispretty good (for protectin' his her)religion, Bro, and he's the moderator On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:50:53 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..cd's gonna have tosend hera sawed offKalishnikov just to protect herselffrom you, Bro On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:40:24 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: whilethe lovelylady's locked intoLennon's lyrics? that's an Ad Hominemif there ever was one, Bro, totally disrespectful, impolite, imprudent, even impudent given the subject line of the thread On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:10:53 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thats it, Thats it, it is MANDATORY Densitivity Training for You!||I had a good deal of trouble understanding one sentence of that post Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
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Sadly, protecting the innocent from the guilty is not an issue for certain persuasions. Iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Moore Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 6:45 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/4/2006 4:09:39 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** Why not do something about Drunk driving? or would that cut into government profits? There were 16,694 alcohol-related fatalities in 2004 more than US deaths in Iraq Why are road blocks never set up in the bar district? cd: Revenue from the bar district? Maybe:-) Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with you, but I would not blame all tradition (which is what religion is, ultimately, no?). Religion has become been used for evil because man is evil. It's like the old adage about whether or not guns kill people, or people kill people. But just because the answer is people does not necessarily mean that you shouldn't put some restictions on the process for purchasing a fire arm. The problem with religion (and also gun control) is that man would still be evil, even without religion and guns. But I agree with what you have written, Lance. :-) Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Were 'religion' to be characterized as (wo)man's self-generated effort at redemption then, I'd say that it IS responsible for much of the evil in the world. Religion is very big in church. - Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 18:27 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** G, the lyrics fantacize about a world where there is no God, no consequences for our actions. It's also based on the false idea that man has no fallen nature. And, most offensive to me, it blames the evil in the world on religion, not on our fallen nature. Religion has been the scapegoat for a lot of evil in history and today. Do it in the name of God and you have a special type of defense. But we must recognize the religion isn't evil, tradition isn't evil, man is. That idea is the foundation of our gospel. Man is fallen and needs a savior. Lennon's song refutes that foundation and appeals to man's desire to deceive himself and to lay the blame for our sinful state on someone else, in this case, all religion. Do you disagree? Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cd: Listen to the words G. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/28/2006 11:48:18 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:21:01 -0500 Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lennons song Imagine is an attack against God how so, Bro? --- for ref: Imagine Imagine there's no heaven, It's easy if you try, No hell below us, Above us only sky, Imagine all the people living for today... Imagine there's no countries, It isnt hard to do, Nothing to kill or die for, No religion too, Imagine all the people living life in peace... Imagine no possesions, I wonder if you can, No need for greed or hunger, A brotherhood of man, Imagine all the people Sharing all the world... You may say Im a dreamer, but Im not the only one, I hope some day you'll join us, And the world will live as one. Writen by: John Lennon ) Bag productions inc. Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.
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cd; But they had gun (ecto-plasma type)also Lance. Couldn't cross the streams though. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/5/2006 10:45:27 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** Why 'Ghostbusters' of course. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 05, 2006 10:37 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** cd: Hey when the job get tough who would you call on to do it? - Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/4/2006 10:15:04 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** G wrote:and he's the moderatorIt was Kevin that wrote that, not Dean. :-)[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ..he thinks that semi-auto sawed off self-defense ispretty good (for protectin' his her)religion, Bro, and he's the moderator On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:50:53 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..cd's gonna have tosend hera sawed offKalishnikov just to protect herselffrom you, Bro On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:40:24 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: whilethe lovelylady's locked intoLennon's lyrics? that's an Ad Hominemif there ever was one, Bro, totally disrespectful, impolite, imprudent, even impudent given the subject line of the thread On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:10:53 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thats it, Thats it, it is MANDATORY Densitivity Training for You!||I had a good deal of trouble understanding one sentence of that post Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
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Is 11:3And He will delight in the fear of the LORD, And He will not judge by what His eyes (H)see, Nor make a decision by what His ears hear; 4But with (I)righteousness He will judge the (J)poor, And decide with fairness for the (K)afflicted of the earth; And He will strike the earth with the (L)rod of His mouth, And with the (M)breath of His lips He will slay the wicked. 5Also (N)righteousness will be the belt about His loins, And (O)faithfulness the belt about His waist. 6And the (P)wolf will dwell with the lamb, And the leopard will lie down with the young goat, And the calf and the young lion [a]and the fatling together; And a little boy will lead them. hey C, at the rapture, you cdgonna lay your Kalishnikov's at the feet of Christ?
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He won't believe unless you can find that in a Dylan songDean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:cd:Try reading it again Gary ; Luk 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his sc rip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luk 22:37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end. Luk 22:38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/4/2006 10:20:41 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment***nope: - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 14:51 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Emailing: kalashnikov.guns.ru.htmcd: A very good self defense weapon, Lance-proven thru many battlefields tobe relialable.Do you get my point-Self defense! A 4/10 shot gun is great ..I suggest you get one for her. Did not Christ himself tell his disciple to purchase a sword?.. On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:14:50 -0800 (PST) Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:G wrote:and he's the moderator[..was It]Kevin that wrote that, not Dean[?][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ..he thinks that semi-auto sawed off self-defense ispretty good (for protectin' his her)religion, Bro, and he's the moderatorOn Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:50:53 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:..cd's gonna have tosend hera sawed offKalishnikov just to protect herselffrom you, BroOn Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:40:24 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:whilethe lovelylady's locked intoLennon's lyrics? that's an Ad Hominemif there ever was one, Bro, totally disrespectful, impolite, imprudent, even impudent given the subject line of the threadOn Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:10:53 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Thats it, Thats it, it is MANDATORY Densitivity Training for You!||I had a good deal of trouble understanding one sentence of that post Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
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It's the acorn/tree thingy. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 22:56 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** C, can youfind out ifcd'splanning tosend us to Abu Grabforconversing like this in one of his threads? (maybe ask your Dad to filibusterfor a few days till we're finished:) meanwhile, pls give that critique, below,somecritique when its convenient--perhapsyou'll benefit initially more from listening to yourself rather thanbattlingan old goat like me On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:27:11 -0800 (PST) Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the [Lennon] lyrics fantacize about a world where there is no God
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Were 'religion' to be characterized as (wo)man's self-generated effort at redemption then, I'd say that it IS responsible for much of the evil in the world. Religion is very big in church. - Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 18:27 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** G, the lyrics fantacize about a world where there is no God, no consequences for our actions. It's also based on the false idea that man has no fallen nature. And, most offensive to me, it blames the evil in the world on religion, not on our fallen nature. Religion has been the scapegoat for a lot of evil in history and today. Do it in the name of God and you have a special type of defense. But we must recognize the religion isn't evil, tradition isn't evil, man is. That idea is the foundation of our gospel. Man is fallen and needs a savior. Lennon's song refutes that foundation and appeals to man's desire to deceive himself and to lay the blame for our sinful state on someone else, in this case, all religion.Do you disagree?Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cd: Listen to the words G. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/28/2006 11:48:18 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:21:01 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lennons song "Imagine" is an attack against God how so, Bro? --- for ref: ImagineImagine there's no heaven,It's easy if you try,No hell below us,Above us only sky,Imagine all the peopleliving for today...Imagine there's no countries,It isnt hard to do,Nothing to kill or die for,No religion too,Imagine all the peopleliving life in peace...Imagine no possesions,I wonder if you can,No need for greed or hunger,A brotherhood of man,Imagine all the peopleSharing all the world...You may say Im a dreamer,but Im not the only one,I hope some day you'll join us,And the world will live as one. Writen by: John Lennon© Bag productions inc. Yahoo! MailUse Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.
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I do believe that the G-man is meaning something far more perceptive than that. - Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 00:42 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** G wrote:meanwhile, pls give that critique, below,somecritique when its convenient--perhapsyou'll benefit initially more from listening to yourself rather thanbattlingan old goat like me? So, you disagree with my assessment, but don't want to talk about it?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C, can youfind out ifcd'splanning tosend us to Abu Grabforconversing like this in one of his threads? (maybe ask your Dad to filibusterfor a few days till we're finished:) meanwhile, pls give that critique, below,somecritique when its convenient--perhapsyou'll benefit initially more from listening to yourself rather thanbattlingan old goat like me On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:27:11 -0800 (PST) Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the [Lennon] lyrics fantacize about a world where there is no God Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
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Good choice. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 00:25 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** And, most offensive to me, it blames the evil in the world on religion, not on our fallen nature. It surely is NOT God's fault! It is not Christianity's fault When it comes down to it ... It is all George Bush' FAULT!Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G, the lyrics fantacize about a world where there is no God, no consequences for our actions. It's also based on the false idea that man has no fallen nature. And, most offensive to me, it blames the evil in the world on religion, not on our fallen nature. Religion has been the scapegoat for a lot of evil in history and today. Do it in the name of God and you have a special type of defense. But we must recognize the religion isn't evil, tradition isn't evil, man is. That idea is the foundation of our gospel. Man is fallen and needs a savior. Lennon's song refutes that foundation and appeals to man's desire to deceive himself and to lay the blame for our sinful state on someone else, in this case, all religion.Do you disagree?Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cd: Listen to the words G. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/28/2006 11:48:18 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:21:01 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lennons song "Imagine" is an attack against God how so, Bro? --- for ref: ImagineImagine there's no heaven,It's easy if you try,No hell below us,Above us only sky,Imagine all the peopleliving for today...Imagine there's no countries,It isnt hard to do,Nothing to kill or die for,No religion too,Imagine all the peopleliving life in peace...Imagine no possesions,I wonder if you can,No need for greed or hunger,A brotherhood of man,Imagine all the peopleSharing all the world...You may say Im a dreamer,but Im not the only one,I hope some day you'll join us,And the world will live as one. Writen by: John Lennon© Bag productions inc. Yahoo! MailUse Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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cd: With statements like this G. I wonder about the shape of your heart. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/3/2006 10:58:18 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** C, can youfind out ifcd'splanning tosend us to Abu Grabforconversing like this in one of his threads? (maybe ask your Dad to filibusterfor a few days till we're finished:) meanwhile, pls give that critique, below,somecritique when its convenient--perhapsyou'll benefit initially more from listening to yourself rather thanbattlingan old goat like me On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:27:11 -0800 (PST) Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the [Lennon] lyrics fantacize about a world where there is no God
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cd: Yeah G.-What she said. - Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/3/2006 6:31:43 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** G, the lyrics fantacize about a world where there is no God, no consequences for our actions. It's also based on the false idea that man has no fallen nature. And, most offensive to me, it blames the evil in the world on religion, not on our fallen nature. Religion has been the scapegoat for a lot of evil in history and today. Do it in the name of God and you have a special type of defense. But we must recognize the religion isn't evil, tradition isn't evil, man is. That idea is the foundation of our gospel. Man is fallen and needs a savior. Lennon's song refutes that foundation and appeals to man's desire to deceive himself and to lay the blame for our sinful state on someone else, in this case, all religion.Do you disagree?Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cd: Listen to the words G. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/28/2006 11:48:18 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:21:01 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lennons song "Imagine" is an attack against God how so, Bro? --- for ref: ImagineImagine there's no heaven,It's easy if you try,No hell below us,Above us only sky,Imagine all the peopleliving for today...Imagine there's no countries,It isnt hard to do,Nothing to kill or die for,No religion too,Imagine all the peopleliving life in peace...Imagine no possesions,I wonder if you can,No need for greed or hunger,A brotherhood of man,Imagine all the peopleSharing all the world...You may say Im a dreamer,but Im not the only one,I hope some day you'll join us,And the world will live as one. Writen by: John Lennon© Bag productions inc. Yahoo! MailUse Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.
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I agree with you, but I would not blame all tradition (which is what religion is, ultimately, no?). Religion has become been used for evil because man is evil. It's like the old adage about whether or not guns kill people, or people kill people. But just because the answer is "people" does not necessarily mean that you shouldn't put some restictions on the process for purchasing a fire arm. The problem with religion (and also gun control) is that man would still be evil, even without religion and guns.But I agree with what you have written, Lance. :-) Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Were 'religion' to be characterized as (wo)man's self-generated effort at redemption then, I'd say that it IS responsible for much of the evil in the world. Religion is very big in church. - Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 18:27Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment***G, the lyrics fantacize about a world where there is no God, no consequences for our actions. It's also based on the false idea that man has no fallen nature. And, most offensive to me, it blames the evil in the world on religion, not on our fallen nature. Religion has been the scapegoat for a lot of evil in history and today. Do it in the name of God and you have a special type of defense. But we must recognize the religion isn't evil, tradition isn't evil, man is. That idea is the foundation of our gospel. Man is fallen and needs a savior. Lennon's song refutes that foundation and appeals to man's desire to deceive himself and to lay the blame for our sinful state on someone else, in this case, all religion.Do you disagree?Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cd: Listen to the words G.- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: 2/28/2006 11:48:18 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ******* To all list members-ModeratorComment*** On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:21:01 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lennons song "Imagine" is an attack against Godhow so, Bro?---for ref: ImagineImagine there's no heaven,It's easy if you try,No hell below us,Above us only sky,Imagine all the peopleliving for today...Imagine there's no countries,It isnt hard to do,Nothing to kill or die for,No religion too,Imagine all the peopleliving life in peace...Imagine no possesions,I wonder if you can,No need for greed or hunger,A brotherhood of man,Imagine all the peopleSharing all the world...You may say Im a dreamer,but Im not the only one,I hope some day you'll join us,And the world will live as one.Writen by: John Lennon© Bag productions inc.Yahoo! MailUse Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail.
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Wow. It must be something really perceptive, because I had a good deal of trouble understanding one sentence of that post. I would heartily appreciate some mediation and perspective if you are willing to share it, Lance. What did Gary mean?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do believe that the G-man is meaning something far more perceptive than that. - Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 00:42Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment***G wrote:meanwhile, pls give that critique, below,somecritique when its convenient--perhapsyou'll benefit initially more from listening to yourself rather thanbattlingan old goat like me? So, you disagree with my assessment, but don't want to talk about it?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:C, can youfind out ifcd'splanning tosend us to Abu Grabforconversing like this in one of his threads?(maybe ask your Dad to filibusterfor a few days till we're finished:)meanwhile, pls give that critique, below,somecritique when its convenient--perhapsyou'll benefit initially more from listening to yourself rather thanbattlingan old goat like meOn Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:27:11 -0800 (PST) Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the [Lennon] lyrics fantacize about a world where there is no GodYahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
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Why not do something about Drunk driving? or would that cut into government profits? There were 16,694 alcohol-related fatalities in 2004 more than US deaths in Iraq Why are road blocks never set up in the bar district?Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with you, but I would not blame all tradition (which is what religion is, ultimately, no?). Religion has become been used for evil because man is evil. It's like the old adage about whether or not guns kill people, or people kill people. But just because the answer is "people" does not necessarily mean that you shouldn't put some restictions on the process for purchasing a fire arm. The problem with religion (and also gun control) is that man would still be evil, even without religion and guns.But I agree with what you have written, Lance. :-) Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Were 'religion' to be characterized as (wo)man's self-generated effort at redemption then, I'd say that it IS responsible for much of the evil in the world. Religion is very big in church.- Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 18:27 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ******* To all list members-ModeratorComment*** G, the lyrics fantacize about a world where there is no God, no consequences for our actions. It's also based on the false idea that man has no fallen nature. And, most offensive to me, it blames the evil in the world on religion, not on our fallen nature. Religion has been the scapegoat for a lot of evil in history and today. Do it in the name of God and you have a special type of defense. But we must recognize the religion isn't evil, tradition isn't evil, man is. That idea is the foundation of our gospel. Man is fallen and needs a savior. Lennon's song refutes that foundation and appeals to man's desire to deceive himself and to lay the blame for our sinful state on someone else, in this case, all religion.Do you disagree?Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cd: Listen to the words G. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/28/2006 11:48:18 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ******* To all list members-ModeratorComment*** On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:21:01 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lennons song "Imagine" is an attack against Godhow so, Bro?---for ref: ImagineImagine there's no heaven,It's easy if you try,No hell below us,Above us only sky,Imagine all the peopleliving for today...Imagine there's no countries,It isnt hard to do,Nothing to kill or die for,No religion too,Imagine all the peopleliving life in peace...Imagine no possesions,I wonder if you can,No need for greed or hunger,A brotherhood of man,Imagine all the peopleSharing all the world...You may say Im a dreamer,but Im not the only one,I hope some day you'll join us,And the world will live as one.Writen by: John Lennon© Bag productions inc.Yahoo! MailUse Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. Brings words and photos together (easily) withPhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.
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Thats it, Thats it, it is MANDATORY Densitivity Training for You!Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow. It must be something really perceptive, because I had a good deal of trouble understanding one sentence of that post. I would heartily appreciate some mediation and perspective if you are willing to share it, Lance. What did Gary mean?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do believe that the G-man is meaning something far more perceptive than that.- Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 00:42 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** G wrote:meanwhile, pls give that critique, below,somecritique when its convenient--perhapsyou'll benefit initially more from listening to yourself rather thanbattlingan old goat like me? So, you disagree with my assessment, but don't want to talk about it?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C, can youfind out ifcd'splanning tosend us to Abu Grabforconversing like this in one of his threads?(maybe ask your Dad to filibusterfor a few days till we're finished:)meanwhile, pls give that critique, below,somecritique when its convenient--perhapsyou'll benefit initially more from listening to yourself rather thanbattlingan old goat like meOn Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:27:11 -0800 (PST) Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:the [Lennon] lyrics fantacize about a world where there is no God Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
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whilethe lovelylady's locked intoLennon's lyrics? that's an Ad Hominemif there ever was one, Bro, totally disrespectful, impolite, imprudent, even impudent given the subject line of the thread On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:10:53 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thats it, Thats it, it is MANDATORY Densitivity Training for You!||I had a good deal of trouble understanding one sentence of that post
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..cd's gonna have tosend hera sawed offKalishnikov just to protect herselffrom you, Bro On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:40:24 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: whilethe lovelylady's locked intoLennon's lyrics? that's an Ad Hominemif there ever was one, Bro, totally disrespectful, impolite, imprudent, even impudent given the subject line of the thread On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:10:53 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thats it, Thats it, it is MANDATORY Densitivity Training for You!||I had a good deal of trouble understanding one sentence of that post
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..he thinks that semi-auto sawed off self-defense ispretty good (for protectin' his her)religion, Bro, and he's the moderator On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:50:53 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..cd's gonna have tosend hera sawed offKalishnikov just to protect herselffrom you, Bro On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:40:24 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: whilethe lovelylady's locked intoLennon's lyrics? that's an Ad Hominemif there ever was one, Bro, totally disrespectful, impolite, imprudent, even impudent given the subject line of the thread On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:10:53 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thats it, Thats it, it is MANDATORY Densitivity Training for You!||I had a good deal of trouble understanding one sentence of that post
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G wrote: and he's the moderator It was Kevin that wrote that, not Dean. :-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ..he thinks that semi-auto sawed off self-defense ispretty good (for protectin' hisher)religion, Bro, and he's the moderatorOn Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:50:53 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..cd's gonna have tosend hera sawed offKalishnikov just to protect herselffrom you, BroOn Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:40:24 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: whilethe lovelylady's locked intoLennon's lyrics? that's an Ad Hominemif there ever was one, Bro, totally disrespectful, impolite, imprudent, even impudent given the subject line of the threadOn Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:10:53 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thats it, Thats it, it is MANDATORY Densitivity Training for You!||I had a good deal of trouble understanding one sentence of that post Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
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nope: - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 14:51 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Emailing: kalashnikov.guns.ru.htm cd: A very good self defense weapon, Lance-proven thru many battlefields tobe relialable.Do you get my point-Self defense! A 4/10 shot gun is great ..I suggest you get one for her. Did not Christ himself tell his disciple to purchase a sword?.. On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:14:50 -0800 (PST) Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: G wrote:and he's the moderator[..was It]Kevin that wrote that, not Dean[?][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ..he thinks that semi-auto sawed off self-defense ispretty good (for protectin' his her)religion, Bro, and he's the moderator On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:50:53 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..cd's gonna have tosend hera sawed offKalishnikov just to protect herselffrom you, Bro On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:40:24 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: whilethe lovelylady's locked intoLennon's lyrics? that's an Ad Hominemif there ever was one, Bro, totally disrespectful, impolite, imprudent, even impudent given the subject line of the thread On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:10:53 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thats it, Thats it, it is MANDATORY Densitivity Training for You!||I had a good deal of trouble understanding one sentence of that post Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
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hey C, at the rapture, you cdgonna lay your Kalishnikov's at the feet of Christ?
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..willJC evenknow what they are(?) ftr, maybe you could tell cd politelythat JC explicitly told him to buy a 'sword'--don't he go by the Word of God? On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 20:30:35 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: hey C, at the rapture, you cdgonna lay your Kalishnikov's at the feet of Christ?
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hey Lance--ask Debbie to commentif she prefers to wield a sword or a sawed-off shotgun in JCs name for him--some serious revelations isat here Bro On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 20:38:32 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..willJC evenknow what they are(?) ftr, maybe you could tell cd politelythat JC explicitly told him to buy a 'sword'--don't he go by the Word of God? On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 20:30:35 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: hey C, at the rapture, you cdgonna lay your Kalishnikov's at the feet of Christ?
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..what's the better weapon for hard workin'well worshippin' women? On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 21:02:40 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: hey Lance--ask Debbie to commentif she prefers to wield a sword or a sawed-off shotgun in JCs name for him--some serious revelations isat [stake] here Bro On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 20:38:32 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..willJC evenknow what they are(?) ftr, maybe you could tell cd politelythat JC explicitly told him to buy a 'sword'--don't he go by the Word of God? On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 20:30:35 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: hey C, at the rapture, you cdgonna lay your Kalishnikov's at the feet of Christ?
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- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/1/2006 7:08:07 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** Imagine there was no fall ... Pure fantasy ... whereas truth is reality Fantasy breeds need cd: Amen sis Imagine no Heaven above or hell below...This is Evil stuff. On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:46:10 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:21:01 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lennons song "Imagine" is an attack against God how so, Bro? --- for ref: ImagineImagine there's no heaven,It's easy if you try,No hell below us,Above us only sky,Imagine all the peopleliving for today...Imagine there's no countries,It isnt hard to do,Nothing to kill or die for,No religion too,Imagine all the peopleliving life in peace...Imagine no possesions,I wonder if you can,No need for greed or hunger,A brotherhood of man,Imagine all the peopleSharing all the world...You may say Im a dreamer,but Im not the only one,I hope some day you'll join us,And the world will live as one. Writen by: John Lennon© Bag productions inc.
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cd: Listen to the words G. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/28/2006 11:48:18 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:21:01 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lennons song "Imagine" is an attack against God how so, Bro? --- for ref: ImagineImagine there's no heaven,It's easy if you try,No hell below us,Above us only sky,Imagine all the peopleliving for today...Imagine there's no countries,It isnt hard to do,Nothing to kill or die for,No religion too,Imagine all the peopleliving life in peace...Imagine no possesions,I wonder if you can,No need for greed or hunger,A brotherhood of man,Imagine all the peopleSharing all the world...You may say Im a dreamer,but Im not the only one,I hope some day you'll join us,And the world will live as one. Writen by: John Lennon© Bag productions inc.
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G, the lyrics fantacize about a world where there is no God, no consequences for our actions. It's also based on the false idea that man has no fallen nature. And, most offensive to me, it blames the evil in the world on religion, not on our fallen nature. Religion has been the scapegoat for a lot of evil in history and today. Do it in the name of God and you have a special type of defense. But we must recognize the religion isn't evil, tradition isn't evil, man is. That idea is the foundation of our gospel. Man is fallen and needs a savior. Lennon's song refutes that foundation and appeals to man's desire to deceive himself and to lay the blame for our sinful state on someone else, in this case, all religion.Do you disagree?Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cd: Listen to the words G. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/28/2006 11:48:18 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:21:01 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lennons song "Imagine" is an attack against Godhow so, Bro?---for ref: ImagineImagine there's no heaven,It's easy if you try,No hell below us,Above us only sky,Imagine all the peopleliving for today...Imagine there's no countries,It isnt hard to do,Nothing to kill or die for,No religion too,Imagine all the peopleliving life in peace...Imagine no possesions,I wonder if you can,No need for greed or hunger,A brotherhood of man,Imagine all the peopleSharing all the world...You may say Im a dreamer,but Im not the only one,I hope some day you'll join us,And the world will live as one.Writen by: John Lennon© Bag productions inc. Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.
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C, can youfind out ifcd'splanning tosend us to Abu Grabforconversing like this in one of his threads? (maybe ask your Dad to filibusterfor a few days till we're finished:) meanwhile, pls give that critique, below,somecritique when its convenient--perhapsyou'll benefit initially more from listening to yourself rather thanbattlingan old goat like me On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:27:11 -0800 (PST) Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the [Lennon] lyrics fantacize about a world where there is no God
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And, most offensive to me, it blames the evil in the world on religion, not on our fallen nature.It surely is NOT God's fault! It is not Christianity's fault When it comes down to it ... It is all George Bush' FAULT!Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G, the lyrics fantacize about a world where there is no God, no consequences for our actions. It's also based on the false idea that man has no fallen nature. And, most offensive to me, it blames the evil in the world on religion, not on our fallen nature. Religion has been the scapegoat for a lot of evil in history and today. Do it in the name of God and you have a special type of defense. But we must recognize the religion isn't evil, tradition isn't evil, man is. That idea is the foundation of our gospel. Man is fallen and needs a savior. Lennon's song refutes that foundation and appeals to man's desire to deceive himself and to lay the blame for our sinful state on someone else, in this case, all religion.Do you disagree?Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:cd: Listen to the words G. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/28/2006 11:48:18 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:21:01 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lennons song "Imagine" is an attack against Godhow so, Bro?---for ref: ImagineImagine there's no heaven,It's easy if you try,No hell below us,Above us only sky,Imagine all the peopleliving for today...Imagine there's no countries,It isnt hard to do,Nothing to kill or die for,No religion too,Imagine all the peopleliving life in peace...Imagine no possesions,I wonder if you can,No need for greed or hunger,A brotherhood of man,Imagine all the peopleSharing all the world...You may say Im a dreamer,but Im not the only one,I hope some day you'll join us,And the world will live as one. Writen by: John Lennon© Bag productions inc.Yahoo! MailUse Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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G wrote: meanwhile, pls give that critique, below,somecritique when its convenient--perhapsyou'll benefit initially more from listening to yourself rather thanbattlingan old goat like me? So, you disagree with my assessment, but don't want to talk about it?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C, can youfind out ifcd'splanning tosend us to Abu Grabforconversing like this in one of his threads?(maybe ask your Dad to filibusterfor a few days till we're finished:)meanwhile, pls give that critique, below,somecritique when its convenient--perhapsyou'll benefit initially more from listening to yourself rather thanbattlingan old goat like meOn Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:27:11 -0800 (PST) Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the [Lennon] lyrics fantacize about a world where there is no God Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
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paradiseapure fantasy? no onesellin'weapons there, eh? On Wed, 1 Mar 2006 20:52:23 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || On Wed, 1 Mar 2006 07:05:24 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Imagine there was no fall ... Pure fantasy ||
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oh, please, M'am, let us read the only true definition ofparadise now On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 19:36:07 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: paradiseapure fantasy? no onesellin'weapons there, eh? On Wed, 1 Mar 2006 20:52:23 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || On Wed, 1 Mar 2006 07:05:24 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Imagine there was no fall ... Pure fantasy ||
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..like, where is it? On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 20:24:00 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: oh, please, M'am, let us read the only true definition ofparadise now On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 19:36:07 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: paradiseapure fantasy? no onesellin'weapons there, eh? On Wed, 1 Mar 2006 20:52:23 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || On Wed, 1 Mar 2006 07:05:24 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Imagine there was no fall ... Pure fantasy ||
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Imagine there was no fall ... Pure fantasy ... whereas truth is reality Fantasy breeds need On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:46:10 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:21:01 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lennons song "Imagine" is an attack against God how so, Bro? --- for ref: ImagineImagine there's no heaven,It's easy if you try,No hell below us,Above us only sky,Imagine all the peopleliving for today...Imagine there's no countries,It isnt hard to do,Nothing to kill or die for,No religion too,Imagine all the peopleliving life in peace...Imagine no possesions,I wonder if you can,No need for greed or hunger,A brotherhood of man,Imagine all the peopleSharing all the world...You may say Im a dreamer,but Im not the only one,I hope some day you'll join us,And the world will live as one. Writen by: John Lennon© Bag productions inc.
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another imagination runnin' wild On Wed, 1 Mar 2006 07:05:24 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Imagine there was no fall ... Pure fantasy ... whereas truth is reality Fantasy breeds need ||
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If you read/view some of this morning's posts by
myself Dean, you'll note that I'm for equal opportunity critiques. I do believe
that some discretion ought to be employed. I had no problem with Gary and Slade
as to their respective approaches to 'moderating'. Too many rules makes for too
many restrictions. However, the choice is your's to make, along with David
Miller of course.
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There is a point, Dean, to my extending this
'giving offence' business. Have you ever heard the _expression_ of a family
member 'he/she's blood'. When you touch blood you touch me. Theoretically,
are not fellow believer's, alive or dead, 'blood'?
cd:Lance, How are you suggesting that I
deal with this issue of Ad. Hom attacks? Where should the line be drawn?Or
do we have a free for all?
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How about one's wife, Dean?
cd: Good point Lance.I
consider one's wife the same as one's flesh-so in my opinion to insult
one's wife is a personal attack on that person and by doing so is to
break the Ad. Hom rule.
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Sent: February 26, 2006
18:20
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Sent: 2/26/2006 9:42:29 AM
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I disagree. DH has chosen The Mormon
religion. To insult his religion is akin to the "cartoon incident'
re: the Muslims. If John Lennon were to have been my brother then,
I'd most assuredly receive that as an personal insult.
Moderator-I think
we are drifting off the point Lance. The point is no personal
insults(ie.Ad. Hom. attacks). If telling the truth was wrong then
Jesus did wrong to the Jews? Is that what you are saying? What if
the Bible is correct and others are going to hell for these false
religions-is it better to let them burn for eternity or insult their
religion by saying it is a "wrong religion" or"Your religion
is a cult". Remember on judgement day we are are going to see
screaming people thrown in the fiery pit, Lance.Where is concern for
the souls of others in your belief of being nice and getting alone
with others as not to insult them.
Also insulting ones
brother is not an attack on ones person so it is not a personal
attack. J. Lennons song "Imagine" is an attack against
God.
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Sent: February 26, 2006
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Sent: 2/26/2006 7:34:48 AM
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IFO took your, and Judy's,
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- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/27/2006 6:22:15 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** There is a point, Dean, to my extending this 'giving offence' business. Have you ever heard the _expression_ of a family member 'he/she's blood'. When you touch blood you touch me. Theoretically, are not fellow believer's, alive or dead, 'blood'? cd:Lance, How are you suggesting that I deal with this issue of Ad. Hom attacks? Where should the line be drawn?Or do we have a free for all? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 27, 2006 06:16 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/27/2006 6:01:02 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** How about one's wife, Dean? cd: Good point Lance.I consider one's wife the same as one's flesh-so in my opinion to insult one's wife is a personal attack on that person and by doing so is to break the Ad. Hom rule. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 26, 2006 18:20 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/26/2006 9:42:29 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** I disagree. DH has chosen The Mormon religion. To insult his religion is akin to the "cartoon incident' re: the Muslims. If John Lennon were to have been my brother then, I'd most assuredly receive that as an personal insult. Moderator-I think we are drifting off the point Lance. The point is no personal insults(ie.Ad. Hom. attacks). If telling the truth was wrong then Jesus did wrong to the Jews? Is that what you are saying? What if the Bible is correct and others are going to hell for these false religions-is it better to let them burn for eternity or insult their religion by saying it is a "wrong religion" or"Your religion is a cult". Remember on judgement day we are are going to see screaming people thrown in the fiery pit, Lance.Where is concern for the souls of others in your belief of being nice and getting alone with others as not to insult them. Also insulting ones brother is not an attack on ones person so it is not a personal attack. J. Lennons song "Imagine" is an attack against God. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 26, 2006 09:06 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/26/2006 7:34:48 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** IFO took your, and Judy's, evaluation of John Calvin to be nothing short of an insult. However, should you 'rule' on this matter thus eliminating your/my assessment to be off limits then, we would have no ongoing dialogue. cd: Maybe to John Calvin but not towards you-see the difference?If the truth insults then that person needs to change not the truth. If I were to say that John Lennon was a pig-that is acceptable as I am not making a personal attack on you.But if I were to insult you by calling you names then I have personally attacked you and would be in error to do so Lance. If I were to say to DavH : Mormons are stupid I have not attacked DavH but rather my attack was on the teaching of Mormonism. In short-express your self but don't let it get personal. By the way, wasn't there some kind of mystery 'rule' about not responding to posts with the above subject heading? No-there isn't any "new rule". This is the same rule Perry enforced. If I make the call that someone has broken the Ad. Hom. rule- that protects others from verbal assaults- then reply to that in private. If I did not enforce thisthen the issue of that person wrongs will become part of the debate and become unsolvable as others got involved.-this is for you protection as well as others. The non-enforcing of some past Moderators has lead to many good minds leaving this site.If these attacks continue Lance it will only be a couple of people here and how long can two /three people carry on the same conversation? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 26, 2006 07:10 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-Moderator Comment*** - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/26/2006 4:13:42 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-Moderator Comment***
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:21:01 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lennons song "Imagine" is an attack against God how so, Bro? --- for ref: ImagineImagine there's no heaven,It's easy if you try,No hell below us,Above us only sky,Imagine all the peopleliving for today...Imagine there's no countries,It isnt hard to do,Nothing to kill or die for,No religion too,Imagine all the peopleliving life in peace...Imagine no possesions,I wonder if you can,No need for greed or hunger,A brotherhood of man,Imagine all the peopleSharing all the world...You may say Im a dreamer,but Im not the only one,I hope some day you'll join us,And the world will live as one. Writen by: John Lennon© Bag productions inc.
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How about one's wife, Dean?
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Moore
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Sent: February 26, 2006 18:20
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From:
Lance
Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/26/2006 9:42:29 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To
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I disagree. DH has chosen The Mormon religion.
To insult his religion is akin to the "cartoon incident' re: the Muslims. If
John Lennon were to have been my brother then, I'd most assuredly receive
that as an personal insult.
Moderator-I think we are
drifting off the point Lance. The point is no personal insults(ie.Ad. Hom.
attacks). If telling the truth was wrong then Jesus did wrong to the Jews?
Is that what you are saying? What if the Bible is correct and others are
going to hell for these false religions-is it better to let them burn for
eternity or insult their religion by saying it is a "wrong religion"
or"Your religion is a cult". Remember on judgement day we are are going to
see screaming people thrown in the fiery pit, Lance.Where is concern for the
souls of others in your belief of being nice and getting alone with others
as not to insult them.
Also insulting ones brother is
not an attack on ones person so it is not a personal attack. J. Lennons song
"Imagine" is an attack against God.
- Original Message -
From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 26, 2006 09:06
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *******
To all list members-ModeratorComment***
- Original Message -
From:
Lance
Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/26/2006 7:34:48 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
*** To all list members-ModeratorComment***
IFO took your, and Judy's, evaluation of
John Calvin to be nothing short of an insult. However, should you 'rule'
on this matter thus eliminating your/my assessment to be off limits
then, we would have no ongoing dialogue.
cd: Maybe to John Calvin but
not towards you-see the difference?If the truth insults then that person
needs to change not the truth. If I were to say that John Lennon was a
pig-that is acceptable as I am not making a personal attack on you.But
if I were to insult you by calling you names then I have personally
attacked you and would be in error to do so Lance. If I were to say to
DavH : Mormons are stupid I have not attacked DavH but rather my attack
was on the teaching of Mormonism. In short-express your self but don't
let it get personal.
By the way, wasn't there some kind of
mystery 'rule' about not responding to posts with the above
subject heading?
No-there isn't any "new
rule". This is the same rule Perry enforced. If I make the call that
someone has broken the Ad. Hom. rule- that protects others from verbal
assaults- then reply to that in private. If I did not enforce
thisthen the issue of that person wrongs will become part of the
debate and become unsolvable as others got involved.-this is for you
protection as well as others. The non-enforcing of some past Moderators
has lead to many good minds leaving this site.If these attacks continue
Lance it will only be a couple of people here and how long can two
/three people carry on the same conversation?
- Original Message -
From:
Dean Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 26, 2006
07:10
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
*** To all list members-Moderator Comment***
- Original Message -
From:
Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/26/2006 4:13:42 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
*** To all list members-Moderator
Comment***
You spoke my question
"G"?
Moderator-This simply means that the
rules against insults and personal attacks are going to be unforced
by me-others are under my protection and will get fair treatment-I
owe tha
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- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/27/2006 6:01:02 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** How about one's wife, Dean? cd: Good point Lance.I consider one's wife the same as one's flesh-so in my opinion to insult one's wife is a personal attack on that person and by doing so is to break the Ad. Hom rule. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 26, 2006 18:20 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/26/2006 9:42:29 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** I disagree. DH has chosen The Mormon religion. To insult his religion is akin to the "cartoon incident' re: the Muslims. If John Lennon were to have been my brother then, I'd most assuredly receive that as an personal insult. Moderator-I think we are drifting off the point Lance. The point is no personal insults(ie.Ad. Hom. attacks). If telling the truth was wrong then Jesus did wrong to the Jews? Is that what you are saying? What if the Bible is correct and others are going to hell for these false religions-is it better to let them burn for eternity or insult their religion by saying it is a "wrong religion" or"Your religion is a cult". Remember on judgement day we are are going to see screaming people thrown in the fiery pit, Lance.Where is concern for the souls of others in your belief of being nice and getting alone with others as not to insult them. Also insulting ones brother is not an attack on ones person so it is not a personal attack. J. Lennons song "Imagine" is an attack against God. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 26, 2006 09:06 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/26/2006 7:34:48 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** IFO took your, and Judy's, evaluation of John Calvin to be nothing short of an insult. However, should you 'rule' on this matter thus eliminating your/my assessment to be off limits then, we would have no ongoing dialogue. cd: Maybe to John Calvin but not towards you-see the difference?If the truth insults then that person needs to change not the truth. If I were to say that John Lennon was a pig-that is acceptable as I am not making a personal attack on you.But if I were to insult you by calling you names then I have personally attacked you and would be in error to do so Lance. If I were to say to DavH : Mormons are stupid I have not attacked DavH but rather my attack was on the teaching of Mormonism. In short-express your self but don't let it get personal. By the way, wasn't there some kind of mystery 'rule' about not responding to posts with the above subject heading? No-there isn't any "new rule". This is the same rule Perry enforced. If I make the call that someone has broken the Ad. Hom. rule- that protects others from verbal assaults- then reply to that in private. If I did not enforce thisthen the issue of that person wrongs will become part of the debate and become unsolvable as others got involved.-this is for you protection as well as others. The non-enforcing of some past Moderators has lead to many good minds leaving this site.If these attacks continue Lance it will only be a couple of people here and how long can two /three people carry on the same conversation? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 26, 2006 07:10 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-Moderator Comment*** - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/26/2006 4:13:42 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-Moderator Comment*** You spoke my question "G"? Moderator-This simply means that the rules against insults and personal attacks are going to be unforced by me-others are under my protection and will get fair treatment-I owe that to God not to those who will not keep their agreement and abide by the rules. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 25, 2006 18:07 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-Moderator Comment*** ftr, what does this mean? On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:40:32 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I plan on enforcing the rules of protection on TT against those who love ch[ao]s
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There is a point, Dean, to my extending this
'giving offence' business. Have you ever heard the _expression_ of a family member
'he/she's blood'. When you touch blood you touch me. Theoretically, are not
fellow believer's, alive or dead, 'blood'?
- Original Message -
From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 27, 2006 06:16
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To
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- Original Message -
From:
Lance
Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/27/2006 6:01:02 AM
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How about one's wife, Dean?
cd: Good point Lance.I consider
one's wife the same as one's flesh-so in my opinion to insult one's wife is
a personal attack on that person and by doing so is to break the Ad. Hom
rule.
- Original Message -
From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 26, 2006 18:20
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ***
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- Original Message -
From:
Lance
Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/26/2006 9:42:29 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
*** To all list members-ModeratorComment***
I disagree. DH has chosen The Mormon
religion. To insult his religion is akin to the "cartoon incident' re:
the Muslims. If John Lennon were to have been my brother then, I'd most
assuredly receive that as an personal insult.
Moderator-I think we
are drifting off the point Lance. The point is no personal
insults(ie.Ad. Hom. attacks). If telling the truth was wrong then Jesus
did wrong to the Jews? Is that what you are saying? What if the Bible is
correct and others are going to hell for these false religions-is it
better to let them burn for eternity or insult their religion by saying
it is a "wrong religion" or"Your religion is a cult". Remember on
judgement day we are are going to see screaming people thrown in the
fiery pit, Lance.Where is concern for the souls of others in your belief
of being nice and getting alone with others as not to insult them.
Also insulting ones brother
is not an attack on ones person so it is not a personal attack. J.
Lennons song "Imagine" is an attack against God.
- Original Message -
From:
Dean Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 26, 2006
09:06
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
*** To all list members-ModeratorComment***
- Original Message -
From:
Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/26/2006 7:34:48 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
*** To all list
members-ModeratorComment***
IFO took your, and Judy's, evaluation
of John Calvin to be nothing short of an insult. However, should you
'rule' on this matter thus eliminating your/my assessment to be off
limits then, we would have no ongoing dialogue.
cd: Maybe to John Calvin
but not towards you-see the difference?If the truth insults then
that person needs to change not the truth. If I were to say that
John Lennon was a pig-that is acceptable as I am not making a
personal attack on you.But if I were to insult you by calling you
names then I have personally attacked you and would be in error to
do so Lance. If I were to say to DavH : Mormons are stupid I have
not attacked DavH but rather my attack was on the teaching of
Mormonism. In short-express your self but don't let it get
personal.
By the way, wasn't there some kind of
mystery 'rule' about not responding to posts with the above
subject heading?
No-there isn't any "new
rule". This is the same rule Perry enforced. If I make the call that
someone has broken the Ad. Hom. rule- that protects others from
verbal assaults- then reply to that in private. If I did not enforce
thisthen the issue of that person wrongs will become part of
the debate and become unsolvable as othe
Re: [TruthTalk] *********** To all list members-ModeratorComment***************
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/26/2006 7:34:48 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** IFO took your, and Judy's, evaluation of John Calvin to be nothing short of an insult. However, should you 'rule' on this matter thus eliminating your/my assessment to be off limits then, we would have no ongoing dialogue. cd: Maybe to John Calvin but not towards you-see the difference?If the truth insults then that person needs to change not the truth. If I were to say that John Lennon was a pig-that is acceptable as I am not making a personal attack on you.But if I were to insult you by calling you names then I have personally attacked you and would be in error to do so Lance. If I were to say to DavH : Mormons are stupid I have not attacked DavH but rather my attack was on the teaching of Mormonism. In short-express your self but don't let it get personal. By the way, wasn't there some kind of mystery 'rule' about not responding to posts with the above subject heading? No-there isn't any "new rule". This is the same rule Perry enforced. If I make the call that someone has broken the Ad. Hom. rule- that protects others from verbal assaults- then reply to that in private. If I did not enforce thisthen the issue of that person wrongs will become part of the debate and become unsolvable as others got involved.-this is for you protection as well as others. The non-enforcing of some past Moderators has lead to many good minds leaving this site.If these attacks continue Lance it will only be a couple of people here and how long can two /three people carry on the same conversation? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 26, 2006 07:10 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-Moderator Comment*** - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/26/2006 4:13:42 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-Moderator Comment*** You spoke my question "G"? Moderator-This simply means that the rules against insults and personal attacks are going to be unforced by me-others are under my protection and will get fair treatment-I owe that to God not to those who will not keep their agreement and abide by the rules. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 25, 2006 18:07 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-Moderator Comment*** ftr, what does this mean? On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:40:32 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I plan on enforcing the rules of protection on TT against those who love ch[ao]s
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I disagree. DH has chosen The Mormon religion. To
insult his religion is akin to the "cartoon incident' re: the Muslims. If John
Lennon were to have been my brother then, I'd most assuredly receive that as an
personal insult.
- Original Message -
From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 26, 2006 09:06
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To
all list members-ModeratorComment***
- Original Message -
From:
Lance
Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/26/2006 7:34:48 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To
all list members-ModeratorComment***
IFO took your, and Judy's, evaluation of John
Calvin to be nothing short of an insult. However, should you 'rule' on this
matter thus eliminating your/my assessment to be off limits then, we would
have no ongoing dialogue.
cd: Maybe to John Calvin but not
towards you-see the difference?If the truth insults then that person needs
to change not the truth. If I were to say that John Lennon was a pig-that is
acceptable as I am not making a personal attack on you.But if I were to
insult you by calling you names then I have personally attacked you and
would be in error to do so Lance. If I were to say to DavH : Mormons are
stupid I have not attacked DavH but rather my attack was on the teaching of
Mormonism. In short-express your self but don't let it get
personal.
By the way, wasn't there some kind of mystery
'rule' about not responding to posts with the above subject
heading?
No-there isn't any "new rule".
This is the same rule Perry enforced. If I make the call that someone has
broken the Ad. Hom. rule- that protects others from verbal assaults- then
reply to that in private. If I did not enforce thisthen the issue of
that person wrongs will become part of the debate and become unsolvable as
others got involved.-this is for you protection as well as others. The
non-enforcing of some past Moderators has lead to many good minds leaving
this site.If these attacks continue Lance it will only be a couple of people
here and how long can two /three people carry on the same
conversation?
- Original Message -
From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 26, 2006 07:10
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ***
To all list members-Moderator Comment***
- Original Message -
From:
Lance
Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/26/2006 4:13:42 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
*** To all list members-Moderator Comment***
You spoke my question
"G"?
Moderator-This simply means that the rules
against insults and personal attacks are going to be unforced by
me-others are under my protection and will get fair treatment-I owe that
to God not to those who will not keep their agreement and abide by the
rules.
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From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 25, 2006
18:07
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
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ftr, what
does this mean?
On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:40:32 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
I plan on enforcing the rules of protection on TT against those
who love
ch[ao]s
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- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/26/2006 9:42:29 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** I disagree. DH has chosen The Mormon religion. To insult his religion is akin to the "cartoon incident' re: the Muslims. If John Lennon were to have been my brother then, I'd most assuredly receive that as an personal insult. Moderator-I think we are drifting off the point Lance. The point is no personal insults(ie.Ad. Hom. attacks). If telling the truth was wrong then Jesus did wrong to the Jews? Is that what you are saying? What if the Bible is correct and others are going to hell for these false religions-is it better to let them burn for eternity or insult their religion by saying it is a "wrong religion" or"Your religion is a cult". Remember on judgement day we are are going to see screaming people thrown in the fiery pit, Lance.Where is concern for the souls of others in your belief of being nice and getting alone with others as not to insult them. Also insulting ones brother is not an attack on ones person so it is not a personal attack. J. Lennons song "Imagine" is an attack against God. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 26, 2006 09:06 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/26/2006 7:34:48 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment*** IFO took your, and Judy's, evaluation of John Calvin to be nothing short of an insult. However, should you 'rule' on this matter thus eliminating your/my assessment to be off limits then, we would have no ongoing dialogue. cd: Maybe to John Calvin but not towards you-see the difference?If the truth insults then that person needs to change not the truth. If I were to say that John Lennon was a pig-that is acceptable as I am not making a personal attack on you.But if I were to insult you by calling you names then I have personally attacked you and would be in error to do so Lance. If I were to say to DavH : Mormons are stupid I have not attacked DavH but rather my attack was on the teaching of Mormonism. In short-express your self but don't let it get personal. By the way, wasn't there some kind of mystery 'rule' about not responding to posts with the above subject heading? No-there isn't any "new rule". This is the same rule Perry enforced. If I make the call that someone has broken the Ad. Hom. rule- that protects others from verbal assaults- then reply to that in private. If I did not enforce thisthen the issue of that person wrongs will become part of the debate and become unsolvable as others got involved.-this is for you protection as well as others. The non-enforcing of some past Moderators has lead to many good minds leaving this site.If these attacks continue Lance it will only be a couple of people here and how long can two /three people carry on the same conversation? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 26, 2006 07:10 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-Moderator Comment*** - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/26/2006 4:13:42 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-Moderator Comment*** You spoke my question "G"? Moderator-This simply means that the rules against insults and personal attacks are going to be unforced by me-others are under my protection and will get fair treatment-I owe that to God not to those who will not keep their agreement and abide by the rules. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 25, 2006 18:07 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-Moderator Comment*** ftr, what does this mean? On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:40:32 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I plan on enforcing the rules of protection on TT against those who love ch[ao]s
