Re: [tryton] RfC: maning of new state of stock move
* Cédric Krier: Re: [tryton] RfC: maning of new state of stock move (Fri, 19 Dec 2014 11:56:57 +0100): On 05 Dec 11:57, Mathias Behrle wrote: Hi all, I would like to pull a little bit of your attention to the following issue: For [1] there is coming a new state for stock moves, for which the current proposal [2] is 'None'. My point of view is: there shouldn't be a state of None. As soon as an object has a state, it has one and 'None' is misleading. This is different from selections, where you can can make a selection or not. I proposed several alternatives: 'Preliminary', 'Preparative', 'Provisional', 'Tentative' What would be your prefered name just in case? I propose 'Staging' as refering in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staging_%28data%29 Yes, even better, sounds good to me. -- Mathias Behrle MBSolutions Gilgenmatten 10 A D-79114 Freiburg Tel: +49(761)471023 Fax: +49(761)4770816 http://m9s.biz UStIdNr: DE 142009020 PGP/GnuPG key availabable from any keyserver, ID: 0x8405BBF6 pgprHYgcJfh1m.pgp Description: Digitale Signatur von OpenPGP
Re: [tryton] RfC: maning of new state of stock move
* Mathias Behrle [2014-12-19 12:26 +0100]: * Cédric Krier: Re: [tryton] RfC: maning of new state of stock move (Fri, 19 Dec 2014 11:56:57 +0100): On 05 Dec 11:57, Mathias Behrle wrote: Hi all, I would like to pull a little bit of your attention to the following issue: For [1] there is coming a new state for stock moves, for which the current proposal [2] is 'None'. My point of view is: there shouldn't be a state of None. As soon as an object has a state, it has one and 'None' is misleading. This is different from selections, where you can can make a selection or not. I proposed several alternatives: 'Preliminary', 'Preparative', 'Provisional', 'Tentative' What would be your prefered name just in case? I propose 'Staging' as refering in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staging_%28data%29 Yes, even better, sounds good to me. I second that proposition. -- Nicolas Évrard - B2CK SPRL E-mail/Jabber: nicolas.evr...@b2ck.com Tel: +32 472 54 46 59 Website: http://www.b2ck.com/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [tryton] RfC: maning of new state of stock move
On 05 Dec 11:57, Mathias Behrle wrote: Hi all, I would like to pull a little bit of your attention to the following issue: For [1] there is coming a new state for stock moves, for which the current proposal [2] is 'None'. My point of view is: there shouldn't be a state of None. As soon as an object has a state, it has one and 'None' is misleading. This is different from selections, where you can can make a selection or not. I don't understand this thought. state field can only have one of the value of the selection so there is no misleading by naming one of the selection 'None'. I proposed several alternatives: 'Preliminary', 'Preparative', 'Provisional', 'Tentative' What would be your prefered name just in case? Cheers, Mathias [1] https://bugs.tryton.org/issue4362 [2] http://codereview.tryton.org/5811002/diff/20001/CHANGELOG#newcode1 -- Cédric Krier - B2CK SPRL Email/Jabber: cedric.kr...@b2ck.com Tel: +32 472 54 46 59 Website: http://www.b2ck.com/ pgpqDqW3JRUV8.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [tryton] RfC: maning of new state of stock move
* Cédric Krier: Re: [tryton] RfC: maning of new state of stock move (Fri, 5 Dec 2014 12:07:54 +0100): On 05 Dec 11:57, Mathias Behrle wrote: Hi all, I would like to pull a little bit of your attention to the following issue: For [1] there is coming a new state for stock moves, for which the current proposal [2] is 'None'. My point of view is: there shouldn't be a state of None. As soon as an object has a state, it has one and 'None' is misleading. This is different from selections, where you can can make a selection or not. I don't understand this thought. state field can only have one of the value of the selection so there is no misleading by naming one of the selection 'None'. A state of 'None' logically is not at all a state , so if choosen the state should disappear from the object. It would be way easier for our users to have a meaningful name instead of a logical clash. A selection is different. Not doing a selection is an empty selection. I proposed several alternatives: 'Preliminary', 'Preparative', 'Provisional', 'Tentative' What would be your prefered name just in case? Cheers, Mathias [1] https://bugs.tryton.org/issue4362 [2] http://codereview.tryton.org/5811002/diff/20001/CHANGELOG#newcode1 -- Mathias Behrle MBSolutions Gilgenmatten 10 A D-79114 Freiburg Tel: +49(761)471023 Fax: +49(761)4770816 http://m9s.biz UStIdNr: DE 142009020 PGP/GnuPG key availabable from any keyserver, ID: 0x8405BBF6 pgphv026qRm0N.pgp Description: Digitale Signatur von OpenPGP
Re: [tryton] RfC: maning of new state of stock move
On 05 Dec 12:34, Mathias Behrle wrote: * Cédric Krier: Re: [tryton] RfC: maning of new state of stock move (Fri, 5 Dec 2014 12:07:54 +0100): On 05 Dec 11:57, Mathias Behrle wrote: Hi all, I would like to pull a little bit of your attention to the following issue: For [1] there is coming a new state for stock moves, for which the current proposal [2] is 'None'. My point of view is: there shouldn't be a state of None. As soon as an object has a state, it has one and 'None' is misleading. This is different from selections, where you can can make a selection or not. I don't understand this thought. state field can only have one of the value of the selection so there is no misleading by naming one of the selection 'None'. A state of 'None' logically is not at all a state , For me this is wrong, it is a state. so if choosen the state should disappear from the object. I don't understand. It would be way easier for our users to have a meaningful name instead of a logical clash. What best meaning that the move has no state because it has a state that does nothing. A selection is different. Not doing a selection is an empty selection. Wrong. This is not how Tryton works. If there is not a selection entry for 'Empty', it is not possible to not select something. -- Cédric Krier - B2CK SPRL Email/Jabber: cedric.kr...@b2ck.com Tel: +32 472 54 46 59 Website: http://www.b2ck.com/ pgpYWWaEs58Gr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [tryton] RfC: maning of new state of stock move
* Cédric Krier: Re: [tryton] RfC: maning of new state of stock move (Fri, 5 Dec 2014 13:17:03 +0100): On 05 Dec 12:34, Mathias Behrle wrote: * Cédric Krier: Re: [tryton] RfC: maning of new state of stock move (Fri, 5 Dec 2014 12:07:54 +0100): On 05 Dec 11:57, Mathias Behrle wrote: Hi all, I would like to pull a little bit of your attention to the following issue: For [1] there is coming a new state for stock moves, for which the current proposal [2] is 'None'. My point of view is: there shouldn't be a state of None. As soon as an object has a state, it has one and 'None' is misleading. This is different from selections, where you can can make a selection or not. I don't understand this thought. state field can only have one of the value of the selection so there is no misleading by naming one of the selection 'None'. A state of 'None' logically is not at all a state , For me this is wrong, it is a state. so if choosen the state should disappear from the object. I don't understand. If you choose to set a state to 'None', you could expect to remove it. It would be way easier for our users to have a meaningful name instead of a logical clash. What best meaning that the move has no state because it has a state that does nothing. So give it a meaningful name describing its purpose: 'Preliminary', 'Preparative', 'Provisional', 'Tentative' A selection is different. Not doing a selection is an empty selection. Wrong. This is not how Tryton works. If there is not a selection entry for 'Empty', it is not possible to not select something. It is logic for selections to contain an empty item, if the selection is not required. It is not logic for a state to be not a state, because as soon as something is in a state, it has one, but not none. -- Mathias Behrle MBSolutions Gilgenmatten 10 A D-79114 Freiburg Tel: +49(761)471023 Fax: +49(761)4770816 http://m9s.biz UStIdNr: DE 142009020 PGP/GnuPG key availabable from any keyserver, ID: 0x8405BBF6 pgp1n44sNO8Ij.pgp Description: Digitale Signatur von OpenPGP
Re: [tryton] RfC: maning of new state of stock move
On 05 Dec 13:54, Mathias Behrle wrote: * Cédric Krier: Re: [tryton] RfC: maning of new state of stock move (Fri, 5 Dec 2014 13:17:03 +0100): On 05 Dec 12:34, Mathias Behrle wrote: * Cédric Krier: Re: [tryton] RfC: maning of new state of stock move (Fri, 5 Dec 2014 12:07:54 +0100): On 05 Dec 11:57, Mathias Behrle wrote: Hi all, I would like to pull a little bit of your attention to the following issue: For [1] there is coming a new state for stock moves, for which the current proposal [2] is 'None'. My point of view is: there shouldn't be a state of None. As soon as an object has a state, it has one and 'None' is misleading. This is different from selections, where you can can make a selection or not. I don't understand this thought. state field can only have one of the value of the selection so there is no misleading by naming one of the selection 'None'. A state of 'None' logically is not at all a state , For me this is wrong, it is a state. so if choosen the state should disappear from the object. I don't understand. If you choose to set a state to 'None', you could expect to remove it. To remove what? It would be way easier for our users to have a meaningful name instead of a logical clash. What best meaning that the move has no state because it has a state that does nothing. So give it a meaningful name describing its purpose: 'Preliminary', 'Preparative', 'Provisional', 'Tentative' All sounds like for the current 'Draft'. A selection is different. Not doing a selection is an empty selection. Wrong. This is not how Tryton works. If there is not a selection entry for 'Empty', it is not possible to not select something. It is logic for selections to contain an empty item, if the selection is not required. False assumption. It is not logic for a state to be not a state, Who says it is not a state? because as soon as something is in a state, it has one, but not none. There is always something in a field. -- Cédric Krier - B2CK SPRL Email/Jabber: cedric.kr...@b2ck.com Tel: +32 472 54 46 59 Website: http://www.b2ck.com/ pgppeelVIdsf3.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [tryton] RfC: maning of new state of stock move
* Cédric Krier: Re: [tryton] RfC: maning of new state of stock move (Fri, 5 Dec 2014 14:27:08 +0100): On 05 Dec 13:54, Mathias Behrle wrote: * Cédric Krier: Re: [tryton] RfC: maning of new state of stock move (Fri, 5 Dec 2014 13:17:03 +0100): On 05 Dec 12:34, Mathias Behrle wrote: * Cédric Krier: Re: [tryton] RfC: maning of new state of stock move (Fri, 5 Dec 2014 12:07:54 +0100): On 05 Dec 11:57, Mathias Behrle wrote: Hi all, I would like to pull a little bit of your attention to the following issue: For [1] there is coming a new state for stock moves, for which the current proposal [2] is 'None'. My point of view is: there shouldn't be a state of None. As soon as an object has a state, it has one and 'None' is misleading. This is different from selections, where you can can make a selection or not. I don't understand this thought. state field can only have one of the value of the selection so there is no misleading by naming one of the selection 'None'. A state of 'None' logically is not at all a state , For me this is wrong, it is a state. so if choosen the state should disappear from the object. I don't understand. If you choose to set a state to 'None', you could expect to remove it. To remove what? It would be way easier for our users to have a meaningful name instead of a logical clash. What best meaning that the move has no state because it has a state that does nothing. So give it a meaningful name describing its purpose: 'Preliminary', 'Preparative', 'Provisional', 'Tentative' All sounds like for the current 'Draft'. A selection is different. Not doing a selection is an empty selection. Wrong. This is not how Tryton works. If there is not a selection entry for 'Empty', it is not possible to not select something. It is logic for selections to contain an empty item, if the selection is not required. False assumption. It is not logic for a state to be not a state, Who says it is not a state? You. Citing you from [1] | But for me, None is clearly defining what it is. A move with no state. because as soon as something is in a state, it has one, but not none. There is always something in a field. Cédric, I know that we disagree. It doesn't make much sense to me that we both repeat arguments again and again. That's why I just would like to hear from others, how they think about the matter. -- Mathias Behrle MBSolutions Gilgenmatten 10 A D-79114 Freiburg Tel: +49(761)471023 Fax: +49(761)4770816 http://m9s.biz UStIdNr: DE 142009020 PGP/GnuPG key availabable from any keyserver, ID: 0x8405BBF6 pgpJBlnL9aXdj.pgp Description: Digitale Signatur von OpenPGP
