Re: [TV orNotTV] LiLo On Dave
I think she's contractually obligated to promote her film. Also, if what has been said is true, she's moved to New York primarily. That's why her rehab is being done in New York State and not California. On 4/11/13, PGage wrote: > On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:04 PM, Dave Sikula wrote: > >> I'll take your points, but, to me, it just felt exploitative and >> unpleasant. She has enough problems that she doesn't need to be flying >> cross-country to do a talk show. > > > Well, I agree with that last sentence. If she were my daughter I would > certainly be encouraging her to take a break from the media spotlight and > commit herself 100% to getting well. I don't think there is much question > about that. I doubt that Dave would have bashed her if she took that > approach. But since she is not taking that approach, is making ridiculously > bad films and tv shows and then going around the country promoting them, I > think he would have bashed her had she only gone on outlets that would let > her ignore her issues, or had not made fun of her. Given that she stepped > up and did his show and took it, I think she came off looking about as good > as she possibly could. > > -- > -- > TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "TV or Not TV" group. > To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- +++ Joe Coughlin http://www.twitter.com/inturnaround -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TV or Not TV" group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [TV orNotTV] LiLo On Dave
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:04 PM, Dave Sikula wrote: > I'll take your points, but, to me, it just felt exploitative and > unpleasant. She has enough problems that she doesn't need to be flying > cross-country to do a talk show. Well, I agree with that last sentence. If she were my daughter I would certainly be encouraging her to take a break from the media spotlight and commit herself 100% to getting well. I don't think there is much question about that. I doubt that Dave would have bashed her if she took that approach. But since she is not taking that approach, is making ridiculously bad films and tv shows and then going around the country promoting them, I think he would have bashed her had she only gone on outlets that would let her ignore her issues, or had not made fun of her. Given that she stepped up and did his show and took it, I think she came off looking about as good as she possibly could. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TV or Not TV" group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [TV orNotTV] LiLo On Dave
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:04 PM, Dave Sikula wrote: > I'll take your points, but, to me, it just felt exploitative and unpleasant. > She has enough problems that she doesn't need to be flying cross-country to > do a talk show. Well, nobody NEEDS to do a talk show. I think your comment about exploitation is fair, but I think Lohan benefited from the appearance regardless. -- Kevin M. (RPCV) -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TV or Not TV" group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [TV orNotTV] LiLo On Dave
I'll take your points, but, to me, it just felt exploitative and unpleasant. She has enough problems that she doesn't need to be flying cross-country to do a talk show. --Dave Sikula On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:16:28 PM UTC-7, PGage wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Dave Sikula > > wrote: > >> If I may be the voice of negativity, I'd like to say I thought the whole >> thing was a train wreck. >> >> I'll stipulate both that CBS and WWP are in business to draw viewers and >> make money and that Lohan has no obligation to air her problems publicly. >> >> That said, what was the point of this booking, other than to let America >> gawp at the junkie? Lohan was a moderately-talented teen actor who has >> fallen victim to myriad demons. If she was unprepared to talk about her >> problems (and let me repeat there was no necessity to do so), what did she >> think she was there for? To promote that pile-of-steaming-crap movie? If >> Dave wanted to help her, he was out of his depth, as more-skilled >> professionals than he have failed, numerous times. >> >> I truly feel sorry for Lohan, and think she'd be best served by getting >> out of show business and trying to put her life together. The panel last >> night did nothing in that direction. I basically ignored it and thought >> twenty minutes of dead air would have been more enlightening. > > > Well, lets define our terms a little bit here. I don't think anyone is > really suggesting that Dave can, or was even trying, to help her in some > mental health sense. They joked about him sounding like Dr. Phil, but it > was, after all, just a joke. What I mean by him helping her, and I think > that is what others have meant to, is in renewing her public image or > persona. He could have ridiculed her and blown her out of the water - and > if she had acted a bit differently than she did, I might have felt like she > deserved it. Instead he helped her address the issue more than she seemed > to want to, engage in some moments that approached honesty, and > then acknowledged for having the guts to show up knowing that she has been > the butt of many of his jokes, knowing that he would probably be persistant > in bringing up her difficulties, and hanging in there with him. And he gave > her what amounted to fatherly advice (which she basically asked him for) - > that the best revenge she could get against the people who really wish her > ill is to get better and live well. She is an actress (I don't know how > good she is), so maybe her tears were fake, but I thought it was > understated enough that if Dave had not drawn attention to it many would > not have noticed, so that made me think they were genuine. > > Anyone who thinks a person can solve their substance abuse or mental > health problems by talking to someone for 30 minutes on a television > program has no idea what is involved in dealing with such issues, so I > think that is not even on the table here. But before last night's show I > would have put Lohan somewhere at the Khardasian/Paris Hilton end of the > scale, and now I would move her up several notches. > -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TV or Not TV" group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [TV orNotTV] LiLo On Dave
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Dave Sikula wrote: > If I may be the voice of negativity, I'd like to say I thought the whole > thing was a train wreck. > > I'll stipulate both that CBS and WWP are in business to draw viewers and > make money and that Lohan has no obligation to air her problems publicly. > > That said, what was the point of this booking, other than to let America > gawp at the junkie? Lohan was a moderately-talented teen actor who has > fallen victim to myriad demons. If she was unprepared to talk about her > problems (and let me repeat there was no necessity to do so), what did she > think she was there for? To promote that pile-of-steaming-crap movie? If > Dave wanted to help her, he was out of his depth, as more-skilled > professionals than he have failed, numerous times. > > I truly feel sorry for Lohan, and think she'd be best served by getting > out of show business and trying to put her life together. The panel last > night did nothing in that direction. I basically ignored it and thought > twenty minutes of dead air would have been more enlightening. Well, lets define our terms a little bit here. I don't think anyone is really suggesting that Dave can, or was even trying, to help her in some mental health sense. They joked about him sounding like Dr. Phil, but it was, after all, just a joke. What I mean by him helping her, and I think that is what others have meant to, is in renewing her public image or persona. He could have ridiculed her and blown her out of the water - and if she had acted a bit differently than she did, I might have felt like she deserved it. Instead he helped her address the issue more than she seemed to want to, engage in some moments that approached honesty, and then acknowledged for having the guts to show up knowing that she has been the butt of many of his jokes, knowing that he would probably be persistant in bringing up her difficulties, and hanging in there with him. And he gave her what amounted to fatherly advice (which she basically asked him for) - that the best revenge she could get against the people who really wish her ill is to get better and live well. She is an actress (I don't know how good she is), so maybe her tears were fake, but I thought it was understated enough that if Dave had not drawn attention to it many would not have noticed, so that made me think they were genuine. Anyone who thinks a person can solve their substance abuse or mental health problems by talking to someone for 30 minutes on a television program has no idea what is involved in dealing with such issues, so I think that is not even on the table here. But before last night's show I would have put Lohan somewhere at the Khardasian/Paris Hilton end of the scale, and now I would move her up several notches. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TV or Not TV" group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [TV orNotTV] LiLo On Dave
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Dave Sikula wrote: > If I may be the voice of negativity, I'd like to say I thought the whole > thing was a train wreck. Hey, I'm the only voice of negativity around here, mugsy. To me, the interview achieved what it needed to for Lohan. It allowed her to appear more human. My guess is that it achieved some ratings for Letterman, which was all CBS is interested in. So, yeah, I agree the booking was because America wanted to see the ape-woman emerge from the jungle, but it turned out her negative hype was -- at least in this instance -- merely hype. Once there, I think Letterman could have said/done anything as others suggested, but he opted not to be mean and not to ignore the elephant(s) in the room. I have been critical of Dave phoning it in more often than not, but I do think he was conscious during this interview. He wasn't Oprah (thank God) or Dr Phil (thank merciful God), but he wasn't supposed to be either. He was a guy who had two segments with a girl who is on a road, so he tossed in some funny and tossed in some weighty, and basically just sat back and let her say what she wanted to say. I mean, imagine if Lindsay WAS as far gone as, say Michelle Shocked, or even Charlie Sheen at the height of his insanity. She could have hung herself on that stage, but she didn't. It might not be one for Dave's career retrospective, but it was head-and-shoulders above the waste of time and oxygen that occurred when he interviewed the Kardashian girls a few weeks back (I don't think rehab would treat them... you can't cure stupid). -- Kevin M. (RPCV) -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TV or Not TV" group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [TV orNotTV] LiLo On Dave
It was interesting that Gawker originally teased the interview by using the term "awkward", then went back against itself and said it wasn't. I didn't think it was at all awkward. I think it was more honest than most interviews, and it made for riveting television. At the end of the day that's all that matters. I consider Ms Lohan one of those people that I know but I really shouldn't. I read the article in the Times recently about the struggles to get some film with James Deen shot, and it didn't make Lohan look good at all. And yet, by the end of the 14 minutes, I found myself intrigued by her, at least from a human perspective. I empathize with her tonight. That's a pretty neat trick. As you noted, Dave had the ability to blow her out of the water. Something made him counter that. I think that's why people who are Dave fans are Dave fans. On Apr 10, 2013, at 6:31 PM, PGage wrote: > I had no idea she was going to be on, and just watched it like I usually do. > I agree it was a great interview. I read blogs today that teased their story > about this with something like "Dave makes Lohan cry". I did not read the > body of those articles - I assume when the reader clicks through they are > informed that he made her cry by being sensitive and supportive, not > mean-spirited. > > It was not clear to me how genuine she was being when she resists talking > about the rehab by saying "we did not go over this at the pre-interview". It > is possible they did go over it, and impossible that she really thought they > were only going to talk about her epic performance on Scream 5 and whatever > the Charlie Sheen TV show is called. I thought Dave was very fair to her, and > let her know what anyone who has watched his show for a while already knows, > which is that any celeb who has embarrassing issues and is willing to have > something approaching a real conversation about them with him will end up > looking good, and getting a big thumb's up and approving sign-off from him. > Any such celeb who comes on and tries to weasel their way through the > interview is going to get hammered. She eventually took the relatively high > road, and Dave showered her with his best wishes and respect, and that is > what made her cry. > > I don't really know her that well - I saw Mean Girls, and her SNL > appearances, and I guess the Praire Home Companion. I don't particularly like > or dislike her, but I like her better than I did after last night. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TV or Not TV" group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [TV orNotTV] LiLo On Dave
I had no idea she was going to be on, and just watched it like I usually do. I agree it was a great interview. I read blogs today that teased their story about this with something like "Dave makes Lohan cry". I did not read the body of those articles - I assume when the reader clicks through they are informed that he made her cry by being sensitive and supportive, not mean-spirited. It was not clear to me how genuine she was being when she resists talking about the rehab by saying "we did not go over this at the pre-interview". It is possible they did go over it, and impossible that she really thought they were only going to talk about her epic performance on Scream 5 and whatever the Charlie Sheen TV show is called. I thought Dave was very fair to her, and let her know what anyone who has watched his show for a while already knows, which is that any celeb who has embarrassing issues and is willing to have something approaching a real conversation about them with him will end up looking good, and getting a big thumb's up and approving sign-off from him. Any such celeb who comes on and tries to weasel their way through the interview is going to get hammered. She eventually took the relatively high road, and Dave showered her with his best wishes and respect, and that is what made her cry. I don't really know her that well - I saw Mean Girls, and her SNL appearances, and I guess the Praire Home Companion. I don't particularly like or dislike her, but I like her better than I did after last night. On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Joe Hass wrote: > The one thing that really rubbed me the wrong way about being at the > taping of The Late Show is the rather adamant insistance that you laugh at > everything. Seriously: they have an Alec Baldwin video at the start that > basically says the audience should laugh at anything they think might be > funny. I understand why they do that, but the problem with laying that at > the start is that you wind up getting these moments where Dave's trying to > be serious, and the audience keeps making nervous chuckles because they've > been trained to believe that they should laugh at anything that even looks > like it might be funny. That kept happening during Dave's interview of > Lindsey last night, and I kept wanting to reach through time and tell the > folks in the audience to shut the hell up. > > Interestingly, the only reason I knew Lindsey Lohan was going to be on > Letterman was a promo during the NCAA Basketball Championship Game on > Monday night, and the only reason I was watching that was because I was > hosting trivia at a bar and had to work around the game. For some reason, I > remembered that this afternoon and went to look for the video. > > It was a surprisingly powerful interview. Letterman knew he could've gone > in a certain direction (and had the ammo right there at the desk). The file > photo of Lohan on the old show as "Things Found On The D Train" was great. > I think he liked the fact that Lohan refused to go into detail on the rehab > issue despite him going back to that well a couple times, and he decided to > change tacks, which caught Lohan off-guard. The more honest he became, the > more she seemed to drop her guard. When he complemented her about showing > up despite being how much he'd serve up on her, the audience's sustained > applause went on for a good 15 seconds until Dave (quite irritated), told > the audience, "Alright, alright! That's enough!" > > These were two flawed people, and Letterman decided he was going to go > ahead and peel back a little more than he normally would (the reference to > psychiatry, which was followed by Dave grinning into the camera, was rather > amusing). Which made the whole thing just a little more special. It > reminded me of when Teri Garr was on the show, and he came over to help > her, and you just saw a different Dave: the one that made most of us fall > for him. > > The one question I have: I wonder how the decision to not have her come > out with a price tag on her dress went down, since Dave lit up like a kid > on Christmas when she told him. Did the staff really run out of time and > weren't able to get to Letterman in time, or did they decide not to? I > remember reading about Penn & Teller's appearances on Late Night a few > years back and how Letterman told Robert Morton that he didn't want to know > what they were going to do, only that they had his permission to do > anything. > > Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEF53jCmL3c > > -- > -- > TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "TV or Not TV" group. > To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to
Re: [TV orNotTV] LiLo On Dave
When Lindsey Lohan is free of -- let's call it baggage -- she is warm and human and adorable. Last night on Letterman, she was warm and human and adorable. I hope rehab doesn't change that. -- Kevin M. (RPCV) -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TV or Not TV" group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
