[twitter-dev] Streaming API -- ordering guarantees: deletions may come before status updates

[John Kalucki]

Note that there are no hard delivery order guarantees in the Streaming
API: ordering is best effort.

This issue is most apparent when using the count parameter for deep
lookback during Streaming API server restarts and also during the
apparent race condition between status creation and status deletion.
Yes, deletion notices may be delivered in advance of the status
itself. Even in this apparently odd situation, the delete statuses
still must be purged from your backing store.

-John Kalucki
http://twitter.com/jkalucki
Services, Twitter Inc.

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[citricsquid]

I would give my legs to stop all those "Social media expert" types
following me because I said something, it's god awful constantly
having "Bob "I make $100,000 a day and you can too just sign up for
this $500 product through my referral link" is now following you!"
emails.

uh, off topic.

[twitter-dev] Re: comsumer Keys and comsumer secret--an "OAUTH" issue on twitter

[Robert Fishel]

try http://127.0.0.1/

it shouldn't make any difference but who knows.

-Bob

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:31 PM, techyJoe wrote:
>
> I am unable to register my application with twitter. twitter will not
> accept my Callback URL, it states that it is a n invalid URL. I am
> using a test server at this point, and it is set for "localhost";
> however, I use the same callback URL for other API and they work fine.
> The URL should be valid.
>
> Any help would be appreciated!!
>
> jsalinas
>

[twitter-dev] OT - Browser Resolution Accessing Twitter.com

[Sean Scott]

Wondering if Twitter Devs would mind sharing what the current 5 top browser
resolutions accessing the twitter site?
Or if anyone can point me to a secondary source that would be cool

Thanks,


-- 
Sean Scott
cell: 612.867.8133
portfolio: http://www.flickr.com/photos/92876...@n00/sets/72157613990263453/
profile: http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=&key=2242610
blog: http://www.twofortyeight.com/
other: http://twitter.com/kalisurfer

[twitter-dev] comsumer Keys and comsumer secret--an "OAUTH" issue on twitter

[techyJoe]

I am unable to register my application with twitter. twitter will not
accept my Callback URL, it states that it is a n invalid URL. I am
using a test server at this point, and it is set for "localhost";
however, I use the same callback URL for other API and they work fine.
The URL should be valid.

Any help would be appreciated!!

jsalinas

[twitter-dev] Re: unfollowing limits

[Adam Cloud]

http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/browse_thread/thread/743dd7de31662225

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Ninjamonk  wrote:

>
> Hey, I am building a little air app that will unfollow all users for
> the authed user.
>
> My question is:-
>
> What are the hour rate limits for this? in the api documentation
> (http://apiwiki.twitter.com/Twitter-REST-API-Method%3A-friendships
> %C2%A0destroy)
> it says that it is not rate limited.
>
> however I might release this for others to use and am after finding
> out what the best limits would be. If a user had 20k users then
> hitting the api 20k times might get the users IP address banned.
>
> Any guidence from the twitter API ppl would be great.
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Darren

[twitter-dev] Re: problem: friends/ids occasionally returning empty sets

[Duane Roelands]

Yes.

When calling statuses/user_timeline to retrieve the recent tweets of
the authenticated user, I am occasionally receiving a valid response,
but with no statuses.  It's happened often enough that I had to code
around it.

On Aug 12, 2:35 pm, PJB  wrote:
> Before I bring you back to your regularly scheduled programming
> concerning intellectual property issues and whether or not someone may
> or may not be sued, I do have something API-related...
>
> Is anyone else experiencing problems today with friends/ids and
> followers/ids returning empty sets, yet with no errors?  The JSON
> returned does not time out and is well-formed, but there are zero ids
> returned, when the queried for user clearly has friends/followers.
> This problem occurs intermittently.  Anyone else?

[twitter-dev] unfollowing limits

[Ninjamonk]

Hey, I am building a little air app that will unfollow all users for
the authed user.

My question is:-

What are the hour rate limits for this? in the api documentation
(http://apiwiki.twitter.com/Twitter-REST-API-Method%3A-friendships
%C2%A0destroy) it says that it is not rate limited.

however I might release this for others to use and am after finding
out what the best limits would be. If a user had 20k users then
hitting the api 20k times might get the users IP address banned.

Any guidence from the twitter API ppl would be great.

Kind Regards

Darren

[twitter-dev] Re: Rate Limiting Question

[Bill Kocik]

Hi Chad -

Now that the DDoS attacks are (sort of) behind us, can we seek some
closure on this? I'm dying to know the official, undisputed, written-
in-stone, we-can-finally-stop-arguing-about-it answer to the following
(which I think simplifies the question):

If my IP is whitelisted and I have 20 simultaneous users logged in to
my app for 1 hour and each user generates 1,000 requests, have I used
up my rate limit for that hour or could each user send 19,000 more
requests?

If it's the latter, is that a bug that's going to be fixed, or does
Twitter really love us that much? :)


On Aug 6, 1:04 pm, Chad Etzel  wrote:
> Hi Dewald,
>
> I asked "The Powers That Be" about it, and that was the response I
> got. However, I am double and triple checking because that does 
> soundtoogoodto betrue:)

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Dossy Shiobara]

On 8/12/09 6:14 PM, Robert Fishel wrote:

My Twitter Butler falls into the nuclear missile category. I can think
of no legitimate uses for wanting to follow 400 people who input any
keyword.


Then, you're not very creative or inspired.  Read on ...


You could make the case of a niche market, I mean if you wanted to
connect with people who liked to fly fish in dubai then you could look
for #flyfishingindubai but with the smallness of that group the
twitter web interface and manually following works just fine. At any
scale where you need an app to follow people based on keywords the
uses are only malicious.

The only scenario I can think of that is legitimate is to compare
other tweets of those who are interested in one topic. Ie if people
mention #Dell what other habits do they have? However this behavior
can be achieved by running searches for #Dell, culling the user names
and accessing their streams directly alleviating the need for mass
following.


First, the fact that you can think of even one legitimate scenario means 
that the tool in question has a legitimate use.  This takes it out of 
the "nuclear or biological weapon" category and puts it squarely in the 
"guns" category.  So, stop suggesting that it isn't, because you're wrong.


Second, anyone here who has polled 1,000+ users' timelines with any 
reasonable frequency knows that it's a poor solution.  Following 1,000 
users and polling your own friends timeline is far more efficient and 
scalable.  (Note: The streaming API's "follow" API limits you to 200, 
which is a non-starter for any non-trivial project.  The next level up, 
"shadow" requires approval and a signed agreement, which may or may not 
be desirable.)



If there is a use case I haven't thought of please feel free to
enlighten me.


Suppose you're doing competitive analysis and you want to follow anyone 
who mentions your client or your client's competitors, in order to 
perform some analysis and produce some reports.


The one thing that computers do well is repetitive tasks.  Sure, you can 
do everything manually using Twitter Search and the web UI, but if 
you're doing the same repetitive thing over and over, you've failed to 
fully utilize your computer.  Automation of repetitive tasks is 
inevitable and desirable: let people focus on more value-add activities 
that cannot be simply automated by a machine.


...

Many third-party Twitter applications *can* be used to abuse Twitter, 
not only the one we're actively discussing.


Has Kevin Mesiab received a similar C&D and take-down threat for 
Hummingbird, which has similar bulk-following capability?  If there's 
ever a tool that's so very well-known for being abused by Twitter 
spammers, it's Hummingbird.


My guess?  Probably not.  Why not?  I suspect the bulk of the issue here 
is the fact that "My Twitter Butler" has the name "Twitter" embedded in 
it.  "Hummingbird" has no such issue.


As Twitter continues to mature, I'm sure we'll see a lot more of these 
kind of things happen.  Once the lawyers get their hands on Twitter's 
money, it'll only get worse, and they'll be grasping harder and harder 
at whatever reasons they can find to send a letter.


There's that old joke ... "There was a lawyer who moved to a new town. 
He was the only lawyer in town.  For months, he was starving, trying to 
find work.  Then, another lawyer moved into town.  Since then, business 
has never been better."



--
Dossy Shiobara  | do...@panoptic.com | http://dossy.org/
Panoptic Computer Network   | http://panoptic.com/
  "He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own
folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on." (p. 70)

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Robert Fishel]

Obligatory Wikipedia link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontology


On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Neil Ellis wrote:
>
> Someone remind me again who was it that saw this record breaking thread
> coming . :-)
>
> I think the only thing that hasn't been discussed is the very nature of life
> itself :-)
>
> peace
> Neil
>
> On 12 Aug 2009, at 23:04, Gonzalo Larralde wrote:
>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Dean Collins wrote:
>>>
>>> Any other developer being sued by Twitter today?
>>
>> "Basically it's a WINDOWS XP .net application, if you have a mac and
>> you stupidly purchase this and it doesn't workgo bitch to Steve
>> Jobs." [0]
>>
>> "If you buy this and it doesn't do what you thought it was supposed
>> togo bitch to your mother." [0]
>>
>> I hope they win. ¬¬
>>
>>
>> [0] http://www.mytwitterbutler.com/ @ About Me
>
>

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Neil Ellis]

Someone remind me again who was it that saw this record breaking  
thread coming . :-)


I think the only thing that hasn't been discussed is the very nature  
of life itself :-)


peace
Neil

On 12 Aug 2009, at 23:04, Gonzalo Larralde wrote:



On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Dean Collins  
wrote:

Any other developer being sued by Twitter today?


"Basically it's a WINDOWS XP .net application, if you have a mac and
you stupidly purchase this and it doesn't workgo bitch to Steve
Jobs." [0]

"If you buy this and it doesn't do what you thought it was supposed
togo bitch to your mother." [0]

I hope they win. ¬¬


[0] http://www.mytwitterbutler.com/ @ About Me

[twitter-dev] Re: Flash Widget Customisation

[Simon Depiets]

Oops,  I forgot to thank you in advance

Sincerly yours

2009/8/13 Simon Lliane Depiets 

>
> Good morning,
> I'm trying to customize an official Twitter Flash Widget like the one
> above, I want to replace styleURL by my own theme and it doesn't work
> (for obvious security reasons), even if i also download
> TwitterWidget.swf on my server and set the movie/src parameters on it
> there is no error but it doesn't display anything ?
>
> Any one have a work around on this ?
>  codebase="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/
> swflash.cab#version=9,0,124,0"
> width="290" height="350"
> id="TwitterWidget" align="middle">
>
>
>http://static.twitter.com/flash/widgets/
> profile/TwitterWidget.swf"
> />
>
>
>
>http://static.twitter.com/flash/widgets/profile/
> TwitterWidget.swf" quality="high" bgcolor="#00" width="290"
> height="350" name="TwitterWidget" align="middle"
> allowScriptAccess="sameDomain" allowFullScreen="false"
> type="application/x-shockwave-flash" pluginspage="http://
> www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer"
> FlashVars="userID=18395521&styleURL=http://static.twitter.com/flash/
> widgets/profile/smooth.xml
> "/>
> 
>



-- 
Simon "Lliane" Depiets
Epita Promo 2011
http://www.lliane.com
A man is smoking with his girlfriend. She angers herself : "don't you see
the warning on the box ?!"
To which the man replies, "I am a programmer. I don't worry about warnings.
I only worry about errors."

[twitter-dev] Flash Widget Customisation

[Simon Lliane Depiets]

Good morning,
I'm trying to customize an official Twitter Flash Widget like the one
above, I want to replace styleURL by my own theme and it doesn't work
(for obvious security reasons), even if i also download
TwitterWidget.swf on my server and set the movie/src parameters on it
there is no error but it doesn't display anything ?

Any one have a work around on this ?
http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/
swflash.cab#version=9,0,124,0" width="290" height="350"
id="TwitterWidget" align="middle">


http://static.twitter.com/flash/widgets/
profile/TwitterWidget.swf" />



http://static.twitter.com/flash/widgets/profile/
TwitterWidget.swf" quality="high" bgcolor="#00" width="290"
height="350" name="TwitterWidget" align="middle"
allowScriptAccess="sameDomain" allowFullScreen="false"
type="application/x-shockwave-flash" pluginspage="http://
www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer"
FlashVars="userID=18395521&styleURL=http://static.twitter.com/flash/
widgets/profile/smooth.xml"/>

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Gonzalo Larralde]

On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Dean Collins wrote:
> Any other developer being sued by Twitter today?

"Basically it's a WINDOWS XP .net application, if you have a mac and
you stupidly purchase this and it doesn't workgo bitch to Steve
Jobs." [0]

"If you buy this and it doesn't do what you thought it was supposed
togo bitch to your mother." [0]

I hope they win. ¬¬


[0] http://www.mytwitterbutler.com/ @ About Me

[twitter-dev] Re: Rate Limit Change?

[Zaudio]

I get the same with my apps; an authenticated and unauthenticated call
to get rate limits returns the same hits available out of the 20K...
never managed to get an answer why I'm guessing the authentication
is being ignored, and I just get IP limits all the time?

Just go to www.bullsonwallstreet.com?rate_limits=1   and look just
above the footer... after the call completes, you see the two rate
limits display and refresh every 10 sec or so... weird

Simon

On Aug 12, 1:51 pm, shiplu  wrote:
> If its called from a whitelisted IP, It will be charged to IP. Not account.
>
> --
> A K M Mokaddimhttp://talk.cmyweb.nethttp://twitter.com/shiplu
> Stop Top Posting !!
> বাংলিশ লেখার চাইতে বাংলা লেখা অনেক ভাল
> Sent from Dhaka, Bangladesh

[twitter-dev] Re: oauth/authenticate error/bug

[aschobel]

I'm also getting this error when trying to block folks using
twitter.com, so it may not be specific to oauth.


On Aug 12, 2:53 pm, aschobel  wrote:
> We are having the same issue, getting a 403 forbidden.
>
> I tried another OAuth enabled site and they have the same issue,
>
> http://www.twitlonger.com/
>
> Maybe there is some type of outage?
>
> On Aug 12, 1:45 pm, Zach  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Use case:
> > User logs in via oauth/authenticate
> > User logs out via accounts/end_session.  Cookies on my site containing
> > access tokens are cleared.
> > Same user logs back in later (in the same browser session) with
> > oauth_authenticate.
>
> > However, this last step produces a 403 forbidden: server understood
> > request but refuses to fulfill it.
>
> > Any ideas?  This should be a fairly basic use case...

[twitter-dev] Re: user_timeline oddity (199 is not 200)

[Sandesh Devaraju]

friends_timeline seems to behave similarly as well!

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Alison W wrote:
>
> I'm retrieving a user's timeline.
> 'http://twitter.com/statuses/user_timeline.json?user_id='.$twitter_id.'&count=200'
> is working fine, but with an oddity.
>
> Without a '&page=n' at the end the request for 200 entries only returns 199.
>
> With a '&page=m' at the end I get a full 200 entries.
>
> Given that this is a backwards-from-current retrieval I'm lost to
> understand why the 'missing' tweet, though so far as I can check,
> there isn't actually a status update missing, I'm just only being
> passed the last 199.
>
> Alison
>

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Vincent Wright]

David,
It's called HUMOR.

If your head hurts don't blame us - reduce the self-induced strain
from trying to live a humorless life and you'll be ok.

Untwist your bonnet a bit and relax - - -

As a reminder: Labeling an indiscriminate group of people stupid is a
stupid way to try to establish your own intelligence.

Thanks, and Keep STRONG!!
Vincent Wright
Director Of Community



On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 3:47 PM, David Fisher wrote:
>
> @Vincent
>
> No. Do you not understand that Trademark infringements occur between
> things that could be mistaken for each other or in the same industry,
> diluting a brand?
>
> A Disney film from the 1940's has what to do with a 3rd part
> application for a 2006-present social network?
> There is a CLEAR connection between MyTwitterButler and Twitter.
> MyTwitterButler is using Twitter as the basis for their business and
> clearly in the same brand space.
>
> This isn't uncomfortable for Twitter or MyTwitterButler.
>
> Were you asleep for the whole Apple Computers v Apple Music thing? As
> long as they weren't in similar spaces (computers weren't supposed to
> make sounds/music initially) everything was ok, but then once Apple
> got into music, the stuff got nuts and went to court. No Apple (fruit)
> companies were sued however or sent notices.
>
> You guys are so stupid this makes my head hurt.
>
> david
>
> On Aug 12, 3:18 pm, Vincent Wright 
> wrote:
>> None of us actually know how this might turn out but, even recognizing
>> that this could become an uncomfortable matter for MyTwitterButler
>> and/or Twitter, I nonetheless, decided to ask the question regarding
>> the 1942 movie Bambi:
>> "Would Twitter Sue Bambi For Being Twitterpated? :-) 
>> ":http://mylinkingpowerforum.ning.com/group/twitterpated/forum/topics/w...
>>
>> Thanks, and Keep STRONG!!
>> Vincent Wright
>> Director Of Community
>> MyLinkingPowerForum.ning.com |

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Robert Fishel]

Just because in all cases you can't define premeditated murder doesn't
mean that premeditated murder isn't universally wrong.

"One person considers being followed by someone they don't want to be
followed by to be spam.  Others don't."

Very true, however when you ask that same person if being followed by
100 or 1000 people that they don't want to be followed by as spam I
would be surprised if anyone said no and that is the behavior this app
encourages.

"To blame a tool that enables people to follow someone is like blaming
the gun for killing.  That's just downright stupid, or in this case,
universally wrong.

Again very true, however one needs to use some common sense. It's ok
for people to own guns. It's not ok for people to own nuclear missiles
or anthrax. Why is that? We don't blame those tools for killing... We
ban there ownership because they have no legitimate use for every day
normal people.

My Twitter Butler falls into the nuclear missile category. I can think
of no legitimate uses for wanting to follow 400 people who input any
keyword.

You could make the case of a niche market, I mean if you wanted to
connect with people who liked to fly fish in dubai then you could look
for #flyfishingindubai but with the smallness of that group the
twitter web interface and manually following works just fine. At any
scale where you need an app to follow people based on keywords the
uses are only malicious.

The only scenario I can think of that is legitimate is to compare
other tweets of those who are interested in one topic. Ie if people
mention #Dell what other habits do they have? However this behavior
can be achieved by running searches for #Dell, culling the user names
and accessing their streams directly alleviating the need for mass
following.

If there is a use case I haven't thought of please feel free to enlighten me.

Also as a final note, I've never heard of your application nor do I
have any knowledge of what it does (and I'm intentionally not going to
look until this thread is done) so I don't want you to think this is a
personal attack. I'm just trying to observe the reason for the TOS
violation and make a case for why it is a reasonable part of the TOS.

-Bob

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Dossy Shiobara wrote:
>
> On 8/12/09 3:44 PM, Robert Fishel wrote:
>>
>> There are universal wrongs. Guns aren't on of them. Premeditated murder
>> is.
>> So is spam.
>
> Suppose you're right.  Is it so very clear what premeditated murder is in
> all cases?  How about spam?
>
> One person considers being followed by someone they don't want to be
> followed by to be spam.  Others don't.
>
> To blame a tool that enables people to follow someone is like blaming the
> gun for killing.  That's just downright stupid, or in this case, universally
> wrong.
>
> Users abusing tools can be destructive and we should define ways of handling
> those abuses - trying to ban or eliminate those tools is pointless.
>
> In developing and maintaining Twitter Karma, I have been very careful in
> selecting what features to implement.  I recognize that it can still be used
> by people to abuse Twitter and that makes me very, very sad. However, those
> features are also very useful for legitimate users, so I have implemented
> them.  I will, however, refuse to implement any feature that only benefits
> users who intend to abuse Twitter.
>
> In the end, I would hope that Twitter would create ways of punishing the
> abusive users and not Twitter Karma.
>
> --
> Dossy Shiobara              | do...@panoptic.com | http://dossy.org/
> Panoptic Computer Network   | http://panoptic.com/
>  "He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own
>    folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on." (p. 70)
>

[twitter-dev] New timeframe for user lockout change implementation?

[Dewald Pretorius]

Okay, so here is a thread that Twitter folks can actually venture to
participate in. :-)

Alex,

Is there a new timeframe for when you are going to roll out that
change in logic for locking out users after 15 unsuccessful logins?

Dewqald

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Jeremy Darling]

You completely missed the point of my post.  It is a simple call to ethical
analysis of the situation.  Deeming different situations with similar
outcomes (mass following or unwanted solicitation) I asked for simple
justification of the community at large.  In fact had I left out Deans name
it could have been any generic email to the group.

As for your TOS statement, I never said a company could not do so, in fact I
said they could.  But, the only legal recourse to a violation of this type
is suspension of accounts at this level.  If after account suspension Dean
(or anyone else) created new accounts and utilized those to perform the same
action then Twitter (or any entity) could then prove malice.

For naming, go back to your law books (I know I did), his name implies the
service that his product provides (IE: it answers the door when an
interesting party comes by).  In fact, twitter is doing further damage to
this argument by not going after those "good guys" on their list (a
trademark must be enforced in ALL cases or it shall be revoked).  Twitter
did not pursue revocation of the name in proper fashion with accordance to
the law (they told him to hand it over and didn't offer compensation).  They
also did not provide the proper statue of 30 days prior written notice (note
that in the US email communication is not considered valid notice and thus
is why if you win a contest they have to send you a written notice you have
to send back as well).

Now, can we get back to my 4 points/questions with your answers?  What of
the 4 do you feel would be ethical and why, I'm simply curious as to the
community reaction?

 - Jeremy

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:30 PM, David Fisher  wrote:

>
> Jeremy,
>
> The problem with your logic is that you don't feel that a company can
> set a ToS for how they want users to use their service. They can.
>
> There are legitimate and non-legitimate uses of Twitter. This guy
> screwed up, and overreacted. Case closed. Twitter's got him on the
> naming issue and the ToS issue (which they can change any time they
> like).

[twitter-dev] How to get a small group of old statuses? (since_id not working as I expected)

[Marteen]

Hello,

I'm trying this: I go to twitter.com to my home, and pick a status id
from like 10 mins ago or so. Then I call my friends_timeline with the
since_id to the chosen status id and count=1 (or 2 or a small number),
and it always gets me the latest available status of my timeline, not
the one I'm expecting.

Is that the correct behaviour, or is something wrong there?

If that's how it should work, then here's another question:

How do I get that small group of statuses with one API call? Let me
rephrase that: Given a known status id in the near past, how do I get
"the next few statuses"?


Thanks,

--
Marteen

[twitter-dev] Re: Invalid / used nonce

[Zaudio]

My trial has worked so far today... not a single invalid nonce
error but it's only been 12 hours

Simon

On Aug 12, 12:59 pm, "Rob O'Brien"  wrote:
> The interesting thing with my situation is that I'm still in development, so
> there's only a single person (me) hitting the app. Further, I'm only
> attempting a single call to Twitter.
>
> Also, I get a 401 on everything that requires authentication, but not on
> something like a rateLimitStatus check.
>
> Further, a call to /followers/ids.xml *works* on my local dev box, but not
> on the production server. The only difference I can think of would be IP
> address.
>
> I've been able to trace 3 separate requests being generated by Twitter4J and
> here are the values:
>
> [Wed Aug 12 10:19:56 PDT 2009]
> oauth_timestamp="1250097596",oauth_nonce="329444963"
>
> [Wed Aug 12 10:20:20 PDT 2009]
> oauth_timestamp="1250097620",oauth_nonce="173112023"
>
> [Wed Aug 12 10:24:39 PDT 2009]
> oauth_timestamp="1250097879",oauth_nonce="3202768030"
>
> Each timestamp is larger than the last and eachnonceis unique.
>
> Knowing that my values are legit makes me think there's another problem, but
> Twitter hasn't responded to my api@ email.
>
> Rob O'Brien
> Web Application Developer & Consultant
> r...@zepoid.com
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com
>
> [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Zaudio
> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 12:04 PM
> To: Twitter Development Talk
> Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: Invalid /usednonce
>
> We're having the same issue in our app, occurs sporadically in our
> logs - but I believe the cause with us is that:
>
> We're generatingnoncevalues as a timestamp seeded sequence of random
> numbers
> We're creating an instance of the Oauth class that does this for each
> logged in user for the app
>
> Thus, for a single timestamp, it IS possible that the time seedednoncevalues 
> are the same
>
> So - corrrective action being trialled: I'm prefixing the 'random'noncevalue 
> with the userID stripped from the start of the token,
> padded to a fixed length of chars... this should guarantee then that
> thenonce/timestamp combo is indeed unique for every request made from
> our app 
>
> Simon
>
> On Aug 11, 6:45 am, Dan Borthwick  wrote:
> > For our app, we successfully call request_token from our server. When
> > we then call statuses/update from the client, we get a 401 'Invalid /
> > usednonce' response. If the request_token call comes directly from
> > the client, the update call succeeds.
>
> > The nonces have been sanity checked and are definitely different for
> > each call. GET requests to users/show succeed regardless of whether
> > the request_token comes from the proxy server or client. Code is based
> > on MGTwitterEngine-1.0.8-OAuth.
>
> > The same code was working ok prior to the recent DoS downtime. Perhaps
> > something has been changed on Twitter's side that might result in the
> > 401 response?
>
> > On Aug 11, 8:38 am, graceawalker  wrote:
>
> > > No, mynonceis definately new every time. Surely if there was
> > > something wrong with the way it was being generated it would error
> > > during requestToken/accessToken/VerifyCredentials too?? All the code
> > > ive looked through is doing it exactly the same way. Is the 'status'
> > > parameter beingusedjust like all the oauth parameters? is an
> > > 'invalidnonce' error, definately an invalidnonceor could it be to
> > > do with the timestamp and timezones. Clutching at straws here...
>
> > > On Aug 11, 3:12 am, Chris Babcock  wrote:
>
> > > > On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 04:14:43 -0700 (PDT)
>
> > > > graceawalker  wrote:
> > > > > I am calling and getting the whole way up to getting the access
> token
> > > > > just fine in my app (one im writing myself in c#), but when i try
> and
> > > > > call the update status URL im getting an 'Invalid/usednonce' error
> in
> > > > > my response data. Im not sure why this is, im calling the update
> > > > > method in the exact same way that i called request token apart from
> > > > > the new 'status' parameter in the query string. I call 'verify
> > > > > credentials' with my access token to ensure that it is working and
> it
> > > > > sends me back all of the correct data, but it is erroring when
> trying
> > > > > to update my status. Is there any obvious solution to this, or am i
> > > > > not supposed to be signing and organising the parameters in the same
> > > > > way that i did before? Im really stuck here guys and need help!
>
> > > > Right, thenonceis a "numberusedonce". Its purpose is to prevent
> > > > replay attacks. If you use the samenoncefor more than one call to the
> > > > API then you *should* be getting an error.
>
> > > > Chris- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[twitter-dev] Re: oauth/authenticate error/bug

[aschobel]

We are having the same issue, getting a 403 forbidden.

I tried another OAuth enabled site and they have the same issue,

http://www.twitlonger.com/

Maybe there is some type of outage?

On Aug 12, 1:45 pm, Zach  wrote:
> Use case:
> User logs in via oauth/authenticate
> User logs out via accounts/end_session.  Cookies on my site containing
> access tokens are cleared.
> Same user logs back in later (in the same browser session) with
> oauth_authenticate.
>
> However, this last step produces a 403 forbidden: server understood
> request but refuses to fulfill it.
>
> Any ideas?  This should be a fairly basic use case...

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[mcfnord]

This incident bounced around in my head today. I think Twitter does
not like the essential nature of this application, to contact members
of its userbase. I would like to know what users of the premium
Twitter Butler product included in their messages. I am designing a
mass-contact model now, and feel extremely cautious about how I intend
to contact my customers, how easily I can assure their ongoing
participation is voluntary, and other concerns. Does the author of
Twitter Butler have a clear understanding of how his product has been
used within Twitter.com? Or does he prefer to collect ten dollars and
forget it?

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[David Fisher]

Jeremy,

The problem with your logic is that you don't feel that a company can
set a ToS for how they want users to use their service. They can.

There are legitimate and non-legitimate uses of Twitter. This guy
screwed up, and overreacted. Case closed. Twitter's got him on the
naming issue and the ToS issue (which they can change any time they
like).

[twitter-dev] Re: Search is no longer indexing Portuguese (pt) tweets

[Chad Etzel]

Just wanted to follow up.

The search team launched a fix for this today!
http://search.twitter.com/search?q=307.to&lang=pt

-Chad

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 12:52 PM, caio ariede wrote:
>
> The results in english is "fine":
>
> - http://search.twitter.com/search?lang=all&q=307.to
>
> Results in portuguese, simple doesn't return nothing:
>
> - http://search.twitter.com/search?lang=pt&q=307.to
>
> But yes, there is portuguese tweets with "307.to" string:
>
> - http://search.twitter.com/search?lang=pt&q=framework+from%3Acaioariede
>
> What's the problem? Thx!
>
> Caio Ariede
> http://caioariede.com/
>

[twitter-dev] Re: oauth/authenticate is redirecting me to oauth/authorize and giving a PIN

[Eric Waller]

I'm having the same problem--getting a PIN instead of being redirected
at the end of the oauth flow. My application is set as a browser-type
app, and I'm providing a callback url.

Everything was working as expected for the past couple of weeks, the
problem started when the API became available again after the ddos.

On Aug 12, 10:56 am, Tony Amoyal  wrote:
> I am implementing some ruby on rails code tweet stuff for my users. I
> am creating the proper oauth link...something like
>
> http://twitter.com/oauth/authenticate?oauth_token=y2RkuftYAEkbEuIF7zK...
>
> but Twitter redirects the user to oauth/authorize after he clicks
> "Allow" which then gives him the 7 digit PIN!
>
> "You've successfully granted access to . Simply return to and enter
> the following PIN to complete the process. 1234567"
>
> According to this articlehttp://apiwiki.twitter.com/Sign-in-with-Twitter
>
> Twitter should be redirecting the user to the callback URL I provided
> in the application settings when I hit the /oauth/authenticate path
> because that is saying that I am now a Desktop or iPhone app. Does
> anyone know why this is happening?

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Neil Ellis]

On 12 Aug 2009, at 21:50, Jeremy Darling wrote:

PS: The app in #4 could easily be setup so that twitter users could  
mark an account as a possible spammer, once the account reaches a  
known threashold that account could then be auto-blocked.



+1

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Jeremy Darling]

Warning, atypical post to follow: After quite a while of watching this
conversation, and some thought into the "problem", I wonder if the following
scenarios are held in the same view:

1) Amy W (from HR Block you all know who I'm talking about) started using
Twitter to gain insight into her companies standings both with positive and
negative effects.  We (the marketing community at least) hailed her as a
visionary and placed her on a totem pole.  Admittedly, initially, this was
done by hand but if you think it hasn't been automated your nuts!  Yet, I
don't see anyone barking out about HR Block and other companies who are
using Twitter in this way.

2) Marketing companies ARE scraping twitter feeds for information on buyers
for both positive and negative feedback.  In some cases this leads to an
automated following and in some cases response workflow kickoff.  This
feedback along with data expansion techniques (getting your email and other
info about you from minimal starting points) are then utilized to send
marketing materials via email and/or direct mail.  These same companies are
again being held on high as visionaries of the field.

3) If 1 and 2 are ok, then why shouldn't people be able to use an
applicaiton to identify and follow potential customers/consumers?

4) If Dean pursued building an "auto-blacklister" application that was given
away for free and allowed twitter users to subscribe to a feed of "spammers"
that would automatically be blacklisted when followed would that neutralize
your views of him)?  If it would, then why hasn't anyone done this already
or are we lazier than the affectors?

Applications like Dean's will ALWAYS exist for twitter (and other services;
Craigs List, Ebay, MySpace, Email, etc) its a fact of life and there are
better ways of dealing with them (see #4) than legal representation.  In
fact the code for something like Deans app is trivial (I'd post an example
but too many can be easily found with Code Searches).

Yes, at times, legal representation is a necessity but our sociciety tends
to think that the law is always on our (the US in general) side and not the
"bad guys" side.  Legal representation should be held for use only when a
common ground can not be reached through other means.  Truth be told, the
law is a very strict set of rules that harbors neither side and thats the
way it should be.

Let the angered responses commence.

 - Jeremy Darling

PS: The app in #4 could easily be setup so that twitter users could mark an
account as a possible spammer, once the account reaches a known threashold
that account could then be auto-blocked.  Also, when someone purchases the
"auto-follower" software in question that persons ID could automatically be
added with a higher count to the list, thus lowering the threashold for that
user.

[twitter-dev] oauth/authenticate error/bug

[Zach]

Use case:
User logs in via oauth/authenticate
User logs out via accounts/end_session.  Cookies on my site containing
access tokens are cleared.
Same user logs back in later (in the same browser session) with
oauth_authenticate.

However, this last step produces a 403 forbidden: server understood
request but refuses to fulfill it.

Any ideas?  This should be a fairly basic use case...

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Dewald Pretorius]

On Aug 12, 5:23 pm, Dossy Shiobara  wrote:
> In the end, I would hope that Twitter would create ways of punishing the
> abusive users and not Twitter Karma.

Amen.

Should Home Depot be closed down because some people injure themselves
with the hammers they buy there?

Dewald

[twitter-dev] Re: Query on the status of the Tweets Posted

[Chad Etzel]

Hi Chavan,

If you want a source application linked in the tweet, you must use
oAuth. There are several people on this list who are very helpful with
oAuth questions, so if you are having trouble, just ask :)

However, if you want to use "from web," for now you can put
"source=web" in the POST data along with the tweet.  I'm not sure how
long that will be supported, but it works for now.

-Chad

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:50 PM, mike chavan wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a query regarding the tweets posted from an API. when the tweets are
> posted from my site it shows From API, Instead, I need it to be from web or
> my website name.
>
> For Instance: The below is one of my tweet
>
> Why we should be grateful for climate change. Watch to the end.
> Frightening6:58 AM Aug 10th from API
>
> I tried Oath for twitter, but i could not get the perfect code for it.
> Please can any one [you] help me in this case.
>
>
> With Regards
> Chavan
> PHP Programmer
> M: +91 9345186462
>

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Dossy Shiobara]

On 8/12/09 3:44 PM, Robert Fishel wrote:

There are universal wrongs. Guns aren't on of them. Premeditated murder is.
So is spam.


Suppose you're right.  Is it so very clear what premeditated murder is 
in all cases?  How about spam?


One person considers being followed by someone they don't want to be 
followed by to be spam.  Others don't.


To blame a tool that enables people to follow someone is like blaming 
the gun for killing.  That's just downright stupid, or in this case, 
universally wrong.


Users abusing tools can be destructive and we should define ways of 
handling those abuses - trying to ban or eliminate those tools is pointless.


In developing and maintaining Twitter Karma, I have been very careful in 
selecting what features to implement.  I recognize that it can still be 
used by people to abuse Twitter and that makes me very, very sad. 
However, those features are also very useful for legitimate users, so I 
have implemented them.  I will, however, refuse to implement any feature 
that only benefits users who intend to abuse Twitter.


In the end, I would hope that Twitter would create ways of punishing the 
abusive users and not Twitter Karma.


--
Dossy Shiobara  | do...@panoptic.com | http://dossy.org/
Panoptic Computer Network   | http://panoptic.com/
  "He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own
folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on." (p. 70)

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Dossy Shiobara]

On 8/12/09 3:18 PM, Vincent Wright wrote:


None of us actually know how this might turn out but, even recognizing
that this could become an uncomfortable matter for MyTwitterButler
and/or Twitter, I nonetheless, decided to ask the question regarding
the 1942 movie Bambi:
"Would Twitter Sue Bambi For Being Twitterpated? :-) ":
http://mylinkingpowerforum.ning.com/group/twitterpated/forum/topics/would-twitter-sue-bambi-for


LMAO, you win at the intarwebs, sir.

All these Twitter spammers are just looking for a little twitterpation, 
y' know?  That's why they use those sexy avatar pics.  It's bait for 
twitterpation.


--
Dossy Shiobara  | do...@panoptic.com | http://dossy.org/
Panoptic Computer Network   | http://panoptic.com/
  "He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own
folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on." (p. 70)

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Scott Haneda]

Too good, very nice.

On Aug 12, 2009, at 12:18 PM, Vincent Wright wrote:


"Would Twitter Sue Bambi For Being Twitterpated? :-) ":
http://mylinkingpowerforum.ning.com/group/twitterpated/forum/topics/would-twitter-sue-bambi-for


--
Scott * If you contact me off list replace talklists@ with scott@ *

[twitter-dev] Re: Rate Limit Change?

[shiplu]

If its called from a whitelisted IP, It will be charged to IP. Not account.



-- 
A K M Mokaddim
http://talk.cmyweb.net
http://twitter.com/shiplu
Stop Top Posting !!
বাংলিশ লেখার চাইতে বাংলা লেখা অনেক ভাল
Sent from Dhaka, Bangladesh

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[David Fisher]

@Vincent

No. Do you not understand that Trademark infringements occur between
things that could be mistaken for each other or in the same industry,
diluting a brand?

A Disney film from the 1940's has what to do with a 3rd part
application for a 2006-present social network?
There is a CLEAR connection between MyTwitterButler and Twitter.
MyTwitterButler is using Twitter as the basis for their business and
clearly in the same brand space.

This isn't uncomfortable for Twitter or MyTwitterButler.

Were you asleep for the whole Apple Computers v Apple Music thing? As
long as they weren't in similar spaces (computers weren't supposed to
make sounds/music initially) everything was ok, but then once Apple
got into music, the stuff got nuts and went to court. No Apple (fruit)
companies were sued however or sent notices.

You guys are so stupid this makes my head hurt.

david

On Aug 12, 3:18 pm, Vincent Wright 
wrote:
> None of us actually know how this might turn out but, even recognizing
> that this could become an uncomfortable matter for MyTwitterButler
> and/or Twitter, I nonetheless, decided to ask the question regarding
> the 1942 movie Bambi:
> "Would Twitter Sue Bambi For Being Twitterpated? :-) 
> ":http://mylinkingpowerforum.ning.com/group/twitterpated/forum/topics/w...
>
> Thanks, and Keep STRONG!!
> Vincent Wright
> Director Of Community
> MyLinkingPowerForum.ning.com |

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Robert Fishel]

No I don't see what you did there

There are universal wrongs. Guns aren't on of them. Premeditated murder is.
So is spam.

Maybe I'm slow but what are you trying to get at?

-Bob

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Dossy Shiobara wrote:
>
*SNIP*
> Universal wrongs?
>
> YOU are WRONG.
>
> Guns don't kill people.  People kill people.
>
> See what I did there?
>
> --
> Dossy Shiobara              | do...@panoptic.com | http://dossy.org/
> Panoptic Computer Network   | http://panoptic.com/
>  "He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own
>    folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on." (p. 70)
>

[twitter-dev] Re: Following a large number of users

[John Kalucki]

Slav,

You should use the shadow method in the Streaming API for this.
Contact a...@twitter.com to get access.

Also, there's already a Twitter to Facebook integration. You should
consider why you need to duplicate this already functional system. Any
API based approach isn't going to forward private accounts, for
example.

-John Kalucki
twitter.com/jkalucki
Services, Twitter Inc.


On Aug 12, 7:10 am, murphy  wrote:
> We are building a suite of applications for Facebook Pages and one of
> the features is integration of user's twitter status updates into
> their facebook page feed. Thus the need to get a lot of users' twitter
> statuses at reasonable intervals.
> Looking at the API documentation there seems to be 3 ways to do that:
> 1. Use the streaming API. The 'follow' method looks good but allows
> only 200 users to be followed. How hard is it to get approved for the
> 'shadow' method?
> 2. Have a bot follow the users' accounts and get their updates with
> 'statuses/friends_timeline'. That allows up to 200 statuses to be
> retrieved every 30 seconds (to stay within the 150 calls per hour
> limit). This will probably do until we get a number of users ( I'd say
> more than 20 000). After that there will be updates cut off because of
> the 200 statuses per call limit.
> 3. Use the search API.
> e.g.http://search.twitter.com/search.json?q=from:user1OR
> from:user2...
> Now the query can be only 140 characters long and with the rate limit
> for search API calls, this approach will probably not work well (if at
> all).
>
> Any suggestions and comments how to approach this are appreciated.
>
> Slav Ivanov

[twitter-dev] Re: Following a large number of users

[David Fisher]

Streaming methods are your friend. Start with the follow method, and
email the API team about getting Shadow. If your use is legit (likely)
then they'll give you Shadow. If/when you outstrip Shadow they will
likely upgrade you then.

The only caveat to streaming is that if you miss some time (downtime,
etc) then you'll miss updates.

You can also use the REST api to grab updates from non-protected
users. Get your account whitelisted and you'll be able to pull 20K
queries per hour. Not a bad way to catch up if you miss some of the
streaming.

Sounds definitely possible.

dave
webecologyproject.org

On Aug 12, 10:10 am, murphy  wrote:
> We are building a suite of applications for Facebook Pages and one of
> the features is integration of user's twitter status updates into
> their facebook page feed. Thus the need to get a lot of users' twitter
> statuses at reasonable intervals.
> Looking at the API documentation there seems to be 3 ways to do that:
> 1. Use the streaming API. The 'follow' method looks good but allows
> only 200 users to be followed. How hard is it to get approved for the
> 'shadow' method?
> 2. Have a bot follow the users' accounts and get their updates with
> 'statuses/friends_timeline'. That allows up to 200 statuses to be
> retrieved every 30 seconds (to stay within the 150 calls per hour
> limit). This will probably do until we get a number of users ( I'd say
> more than 20 000). After that there will be updates cut off because of
> the 200 statuses per call limit.
> 3. Use the search API.
> e.g.http://search.twitter.com/search.json?q=from:user1OR
> from:user2...
> Now the query can be only 140 characters long and with the rate limit
> for search API calls, this approach will probably not work well (if at
> all).
>
> Any suggestions and comments how to approach this are appreciated.
>
> Slav Ivanov

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Vincent Wright]

None of us actually know how this might turn out but, even recognizing
that this could become an uncomfortable matter for MyTwitterButler
and/or Twitter, I nonetheless, decided to ask the question regarding
the 1942 movie Bambi:
"Would Twitter Sue Bambi For Being Twitterpated? :-) ":
http://mylinkingpowerforum.ning.com/group/twitterpated/forum/topics/would-twitter-sue-bambi-for

Thanks, and Keep STRONG!!
Vincent Wright
Director Of Community
MyLinkingPowerForum.ning.com |

[twitter-dev] Invalid / used nonce

[Rob O'Brien]

The interesting thing with my situation is that I'm still in development, so
there's only a single person (me) hitting the app. Further, I'm only
attempting a single call to Twitter.

Also, I get a 401 on everything that requires authentication, but not on
something like a rateLimitStatus check.

Further, a call to /followers/ids.xml *works* on my local dev box, but not
on the production server. The only difference I can think of would be IP
address. 

I've been able to trace 3 separate requests being generated by Twitter4J and
here are the values:

[Wed Aug 12 10:19:56 PDT 2009]
oauth_timestamp="1250097596",oauth_nonce="329444963"

[Wed Aug 12 10:20:20 PDT 2009]
oauth_timestamp="1250097620",oauth_nonce="173112023"

[Wed Aug 12 10:24:39 PDT 2009]
oauth_timestamp="1250097879",oauth_nonce="3202768030"

Each timestamp is larger than the last and each nonce is unique.

Knowing that my values are legit makes me think there's another problem, but
Twitter hasn't responded to my api@ email.

Rob O'Brien
Web Application Developer & Consultant
r...@zepoid.com
  
 
-Original Message-
From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com
[mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Zaudio
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 12:04 PM
To: Twitter Development Talk
Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: Invalid / used nonce


We're having the same issue in our app, occurs sporadically in our
logs - but I believe the cause with us is that:

We're generating nonce values as a timestamp seeded sequence of random
numbers
We're creating an instance of the Oauth class that does this for each
logged in user for the app

Thus, for a single timestamp, it IS possible that the time seeded
nonce values are the same

So - corrrective action being trialled: I'm prefixing the 'random'
nonce value with the userID stripped from the start of the token,
padded to a fixed length of chars... this should guarantee then that
the nonce/timestamp combo is indeed unique for every request made from
our app 


Simon

On Aug 11, 6:45 am, Dan Borthwick  wrote:
> For our app, we successfully call request_token from our server. When
> we then call statuses/update from the client, we get a 401 'Invalid /
> usednonce' response. If the request_token call comes directly from
> the client, the update call succeeds.
>
> The nonces have been sanity checked and are definitely different for
> each call. GET requests to users/show succeed regardless of whether
> the request_token comes from the proxy server or client. Code is based
> on MGTwitterEngine-1.0.8-OAuth.
>
> The same code was working ok prior to the recent DoS downtime. Perhaps
> something has been changed on Twitter's side that might result in the
> 401 response?
>
> On Aug 11, 8:38 am, graceawalker  wrote:
>
>
>
> > No, mynonceis definately new every time. Surely if there was
> > something wrong with the way it was being generated it would error
> > during requestToken/accessToken/VerifyCredentials too?? All the code
> > ive looked through is doing it exactly the same way. Is the 'status'
> > parameter being used just like all the oauth parameters? is an
> > 'invalidnonce' error, definately an invalidnonceor could it be to
> > do with the timestamp and timezones. Clutching at straws here...
>
> > On Aug 11, 3:12 am, Chris Babcock  wrote:
>
> > > On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 04:14:43 -0700 (PDT)
>
> > > graceawalker  wrote:
> > > > I am calling and getting the whole way up to getting the access
token
> > > > just fine in my app (one im writing myself in c#), but when i try
and
> > > > call the update status URL im getting an 'Invalid/usednonce' error
in
> > > > my response data. Im not sure why this is, im calling the update
> > > > method in the exact same way that i called request token apart from
> > > > the new 'status' parameter in the query string. I call 'verify
> > > > credentials' with my access token to ensure that it is working and
it
> > > > sends me back all of the correct data, but it is erroring when
trying
> > > > to update my status. Is there any obvious solution to this, or am i
> > > > not supposed to be signing and organising the parameters in the same
> > > > way that i did before? Im really stuck here guys and need help!
>
> > > Right, thenonceis a "number used once". Its purpose is to prevent
> > > replay attacks. If you use the samenoncefor more than one call to the
> > > API then you *should* be getting an error.
>
> > > Chris- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[twitter-dev] problem: friends/ids occasionally returning empty sets

[PJB]

Before I bring you back to your regularly scheduled programming
concerning intellectual property issues and whether or not someone may
or may not be sued, I do have something API-related...

Is anyone else experiencing problems today with friends/ids and
followers/ids returning empty sets, yet with no errors?  The JSON
returned does not time out and is well-formed, but there are zero ids
returned, when the queried for user clearly has friends/followers.
This problem occurs intermittently.  Anyone else?

[twitter-dev] Re: I need a "twitter this" button for my website

[JDG]

No. You have to develop an OAuth application to change the source.

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 04:04, ian_scho  wrote:

>
> > For example,http://twitter.com/home?status=Your%20Text
> >
> > -M
>
> Thanks for the example, it works great.
>
> The above will show a new status like:
> * user_name Your Text
> * less than 5 seconds ago from web
>
> Is it possable to change the "from web"
> part when we generate these links?
>
> Let's say I'm a google web developer and want a simple link as above,
> but add a parameter to indicate the source was from google?
> The best I've come up with is using a tag, eating up precious space:
>
> > http://twitter.com/home?status=%23google+Your+Text
>
> * user_name #google Your Text
> * less than 5 seconds ago from web
>
> tia
>



-- 
Internets. Serious business.

[twitter-dev] Rate Limit Change?

[Waldron Faulkner]

Getting same response to my rate limit requests (http://twitter.com/
account/rate_limit_status.format), for both Account and IP.

I think I missed something. I used to have two different, independent
numbers for my account and IP rate limits (including different reset
times). That is, I would have 20K account calls, plus 20K IP calls,
each hour.

This changed recently (within past 2 weeks?). Now, both numbers are
reduced by 1 hit, whether I hit an account or api limited. My request
returns same result, whether I'm logged in or not... although the XML
isn't in the same order, so it's definitely still two different apps.

Did I miss something? Is this a policy change, because the wiki
doesn't reflect it.

Thanks,

- Waldron

[twitter-dev] After authorizing an application...

[Rabbit]

After authorizing an application, Twitter redirects me to a page that
tells me it's going to redirect me back to the application, but
instead redirects me back to the authorization page.

I have triple-checked that my Twitter application's callback URL is
properly set, and that the actual callback URL is working.

Any ideas?

[twitter-dev] Query on the status of the Tweets Posted

[mike chavan]

Hi,

I have a query regarding the tweets posted from an API. when the tweets are
posted from my site it shows From API, Instead, I need it to be from web or
my website name.

For Instance: The below is one of my tweet

Why we should be grateful for climate change. Watch to the end. Frightening6:58
AM Aug 10th  from
API

I tried Oath for twitter, but i could not get the perfect code for it.
Please can any one [you] help me in this case.


With Regards
Chavan
PHP Programmer
M: +91 9345186462

[twitter-dev] oauth/authenticate is redirecting me to oauth/authorize and giving a PIN

[Tony Amoyal]

I am implementing some ruby on rails code tweet stuff for my users. I
am creating the proper oauth link...something like

http://twitter.com/oauth/authenticate?oauth_token=y2RkuftYAEkbEuIF7zKMuzWN30O2XxM8U9j0egtzKv

but Twitter redirects the user to oauth/authorize after he clicks
"Allow" which then gives him the 7 digit PIN!

"You've successfully granted access to . Simply return to and enter
the following PIN to complete the process. 1234567"

According to this article
http://apiwiki.twitter.com/Sign-in-with-Twitter

Twitter should be redirecting the user to the callback URL I provided
in the application settings when I hit the /oauth/authenticate path
because that is saying that I am now a Desktop or iPhone app. Does
anyone know why this is happening?

[twitter-dev] user_timeline oddity (199 is not 200)

[Alison W]

I'm retrieving a user's timeline.
'http://twitter.com/statuses/user_timeline.json?user_id='.$twitter_id.'&count=200'
is working fine, but with an oddity.

Without a '&page=n' at the end the request for 200 entries only returns 199.

With a '&page=m' at the end I get a full 200 entries.

Given that this is a backwards-from-current retrieval I'm lost to
understand why the 'missing' tweet, though so far as I can check,
there isn't actually a status update missing, I'm just only being
passed the last 199.

Alison

[twitter-dev] get the id's of twitter users who have authenticated with OAuth?

[mcdade]

Ok.

So I have my app written, I used oauth to authenticate them since it
was easier the storing the password.  Anyways I didn't write in
anything special to track users (or make the follow me) but I would
like to see who is using it since I had about 300 downloads on the app
but have only about 58 ppl who have authenticated with twitter.

Thanks

-bryan

oh.. and i wrote the app in Cocoa and the framework and code examples
suck and mostly don't work.

[twitter-dev] Re: 401 Unauthorized...

[Josh Roesslein]

Are you getting anything in the response body with the 401?

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Alex Payne  wrote:

> To the best of my knowledge, we're not doing any unusual blocking. Rate
> limits are as they have been.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 08:08, AccountingSoftwareGuy <
> virga.rob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Is Twitter still blocking posts to the API from non-white listed
>> apps?  Since the DDOS attack we can't seem to send any posts through
>> the API using oAuth.  Nothing in our code has changed but all was
>> working prior to the attack. Is anyone out there havine any success
>> sending messages with oauth (non-whitelisted app)???
>>
>> Can someone/anyone please comment, I need to get our app working but
>> considering our code has not changed I don't want to spend a lot of
>> time chasing something down that is not my fault and out of my
>> control.
>>
>> PLEASE HELP
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Alex Payne - Platform Lead, Twitter, Inc.
> http://twitter.com/al3x
>



-- 
Josh

[twitter-dev] Following a large number of users

[murphy]

We are building a suite of applications for Facebook Pages and one of
the features is integration of user's twitter status updates into
their facebook page feed. Thus the need to get a lot of users' twitter
statuses at reasonable intervals.
Looking at the API documentation there seems to be 3 ways to do that:
1. Use the streaming API. The 'follow' method looks good but allows
only 200 users to be followed. How hard is it to get approved for the
'shadow' method?
2. Have a bot follow the users' accounts and get their updates with
'statuses/friends_timeline'. That allows up to 200 statuses to be
retrieved every 30 seconds (to stay within the 150 calls per hour
limit). This will probably do until we get a number of users ( I'd say
more than 20 000). After that there will be updates cut off because of
the 200 statuses per call limit.
3. Use the search API.
e.g. http://search.twitter.com/search.json?q=from:user1 OR
from:user2...
Now the query can be only 140 characters long and with the rate limit
for search API calls, this approach will probably not work well (if at
all).

Any suggestions and comments how to approach this are appreciated.

Slav Ivanov

[twitter-dev] Friends timeline integration in My Opera latest activities

[Cosimo]

Hi there,

just a quick note to say that at My Opera (http://my.opera.com) we
developed and sent live an integration with Twitter that allows our
users to see their friends timeline in their latest activities
"stream" on My Opera.

The number of active users is not so high, and we cache twitter API
calls for 5 minutes currently, so it shouldn't be a big problem for
Twitter :)

For now we are using basic auth, but the OAuth integration is ready
and will completely replace the basic auth version in our next
release.

Thanks Twitter team,

--
Cosimo

[twitter-dev] Re: I need a "twitter this" button for my website

[ian_scho]

> For example,http://twitter.com/home?status=Your%20Text
>
> -M

Thanks for the example, it works great.

The above will show a new status like:
* user_name Your Text
* less than 5 seconds ago from web

Is it possable to change the "from web"
part when we generate these links?

Let's say I'm a google web developer and want a simple link as above,
but add a parameter to indicate the source was from google?
The best I've come up with is using a tag, eating up precious space:

> http://twitter.com/home?status=%23google+Your+Text

* user_name #google Your Text
* less than 5 seconds ago from web

tia

[twitter-dev] Re: Newbie to seek advice on the flow of a twitter app with OAuth

[jaike]

Hey,

I guess this question should have been directed at Abraham. I realized
it was his code example I was making use of.

I edited oAuth.php to make use of the $callback_url that was
originally designated as null, and carried that over in to OAuthToken
and OAuthConsumer constructs.

Within OAuthToken, I modified the string serialization of the token
response to this:

  function to_string() {/*{{{*/
return "oauth_token=" . OAuthUtil::urlencode_rfc3986($this->key) .
"&oauth_token_secret=" . OAuthUtil::urlencode_rfc3986($this-
>secret) .
"&oauth_callback=" . OAuthUtil::urlencode_rfc3986($this-
>callback_url);

Not sure if i've taken this too far, but I guess if Abraham could
respond, it would be awesome!

Thanks everyone

On Aug 12, 5:57 am, Andrew Badera  wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:44 AM, jaike wrote:
>
> > Andrew,
>
> > I can't seem to get this working and wanted to see if you would be
> > able to shed some light... thx
>
> > in my main index i created a variable:
>
> > (i tried with both of these)
> > $callback_url ='&callback_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tweetivism.com%2Fblog';
> > $callback_url ='http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tweetivism.com%2Fblog';
>
> > and within the default case i added $callback_url to the constructor
>
> >  $to = new TwitterOAuth($consumer_key, $consumer_secret,
> > $callback_url);
>
> > and im still redirecting to where I have it set in the app backend on
> > twitter... am I on the right track at all?
>
> > thx
>
> Perhaps it's an issue with the specific library it looks like you're
> using? I was doing callbacks to various addresses all day long
> yesterday, no problems. I'm not in PHP and not using a third party
> library though.
>
> ∞ Andy Badera
> ∞ This email is: [ ] bloggable [x] ask first [ ] private
> ∞ Google me:http://www.google.com/search?q=(andrew+badera)+OR+(andy+badera)

[twitter-dev] Re: 401 Unauthorized...

[Alex Payne]

To the best of my knowledge, we're not doing any unusual blocking. Rate
limits are as they have been.

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 08:08, AccountingSoftwareGuy  wrote:

>
> Is Twitter still blocking posts to the API from non-white listed
> apps?  Since the DDOS attack we can't seem to send any posts through
> the API using oAuth.  Nothing in our code has changed but all was
> working prior to the attack. Is anyone out there havine any success
> sending messages with oauth (non-whitelisted app)???
>
> Can someone/anyone please comment, I need to get our app working but
> considering our code has not changed I don't want to spend a lot of
> time chasing something down that is not my fault and out of my
> control.
>
> PLEASE HELP
>



-- 
Alex Payne - Platform Lead, Twitter, Inc.
http://twitter.com/al3x

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Scott Haneda]

On Aug 12, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Dewald Pretorius wrote:


Personally I think that is a mutilation of the use and purpose of
Twitter. I surely hope people would not judge me based on who is
following me.


I would not judge you.  No, I never take it that far.  However,  
consider if a politician was on Twitter, and a mass follow of spam  
porn bots hit that person up.  People unlike you and I, and others on  
the dev list here, very well will get the wrong impression, simply for  
lack of understanding how this all works.


Whether it is a mutilation of the use and purpose, I can certainly see  
your point.  Though to be honest, I do not know a person who has not  
looked up one person, to find who they follow and who follows them.   
It very much is the entire premise of myspace, facebook, and linked in.


I personally use it for that purpose all the time, though I have  
learned based on username and profile picture how to discern a real  
user and a bot pretty easily with relatively good accuracy.


It does muddy the pool, and make me have more pages of stuff to wade  
through.



The only way one can maintain a "clean" list of people who follow you
is to block those whom you don't want as followers.


Also, you can privatize your account, which to be honest, I wish was  
not even an option, as that indeed is a mutilation of the use and  
purpose of twitter in my humble opinion.


But tell me how feasible it is to remove followers once you get past a  
few thousand?



It is going to
cause the suspension of many innocent Twitter accounts if people block
others simply because they do not agree with their political views,
the way they comb their hair, or their profession.


Can you elaborate on this?  How does a block of a twitter account end  
up as a account suspension?  Do multiple blocks tally up and end up  
being used as a way to suspend an account?



Followers do no, zero, nada harm. Just let them be.


I think I have shown how they do in fact harm. Even at a very basic  
level, if a army of bots were to follow you, say, a million of them,  
what would you do?  You yourself would look like part of the army, you  
would not be able to maintain that account easily, if you put aside  
your ability to programatically remove those bots.


Follower and following as also an at a glance metric I use to see how  
interesting someone may be.  If they have 5000 followers, but only  
follow back 100, I can gauge immediately the type of twitter use that  
person is.  If they have 5000 followers and around the same following  
counts, I know there is no way they are engaging all 5000 of those  
people, and that account has less value to me.


These are pretty rough generalizations, but I certainly do not agree  
with the "no harm" statement.  It just depends on your use and how you  
define harm, which to me is defined as inconvenience.




On Aug 12, 3:28 pm, Scott Haneda  wrote:

If I go to someone's account and they have 500 followers, 90% of them
are adult porn and social media experts, not only do I get the wrong
impression as to what that person is about, but I also have a
completely off kilter signal to noise ratio.


--
Scott * If you contact me off list replace talklists@ with scott@ *

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Dewald Pretorius]

Note to self: Before painting, first pinpoint all the corners in the
room.

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Adam Cloud]

@Thread,

They're not going to be able to force dean to transfer his domain to them.
His domain name isn't confusing, as twitter.com as well established. He also
has a legitimate claim to the domain, regardless of how legitimate the
service that serves as that claim may be. Perhaps they should go in the
direction of the legal gray area that is his service?

@DewaldP,

I don't think i referred to people i followed myself, if i did it was done
by mistake. I completely agree with the DM situation. You followed them
yourselves, you took the action to do it, you can deal with the effects of
that decision.

I'm only talking about the notify traffic generated by being followed by
accounts that twitter wouldn't consider legitimate accounts. I realize
you're a little biased since many of the features you offer on the
professional version of your twitter app would be rendered "not necessary"
if the spam traffic was eliminated. "That girl deserved to have her purse
stolen because she had it out there for everyone to see" is how i see
"follow spam".



Clarification, when i've used the word inbox, i'm referring to the email
your registered your account on, not your twitter DM inbox.

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Scott Haneda]

I used to ass well, this does not work well when number grow.

On Aug 12, 2009, at 11:54 AM, JDG wrote:

sure they do. it's called "blocking". every time a pain in the ass  
porn bot or "social media expert" following 100x more people than  
follow them follows me, i block them. then they can't follow me.


--
Scott * If you contact me off list replace talklists@ with scott@ *

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Dewald Pretorius]

But let me immediately add, that is on a technical definition of
spam.

I am fully aware that most people would label as "spam" any DM that
they do not like.

On Aug 12, 4:03 pm, Dewald Pretorius  wrote:
> Adam,
>
> I know this is off the topic of the thread, but along the same vein,
> this whole notion that someone can spam one via DMs is absolutely
> bloody bullshit.
>
> By virtue of how Twitter works, when you follow someone, you grant
> that person permission to DM you. They can send you the biggest load
> of crap, they are not spamming you. You opted in to receive DMs from
> them.
>
> Your only recourse is to unfollow them, and thereby remove the
> permission you granted them.
>
> Dewald
>
> On Aug 12, 3:56 pm, Adam Cloud  wrote:
>
> > **sigh** Dewald, on a technicality, you're completely right. We did opt in.
> > It was originally a convenience to opt int, so you knew you were being
> > followed. However since the count of bots has increased, it's now an
> > inconvenience to constantly get follow emails\texts from bots. Perhaps they
> > could rename it, now, to "Check box to increase twitter to inbox\phone
> > traffic"
>
> > Maybe one of us could add to one of our Apps the ability to notify
> > *after*having gone through a screening processes of some sort to see
> > if the account
> > resembles a bot :)
> > Of course it wont' be perfect because at the beginning of the twitterbot
> > life, they look like a normal user lol
>
> > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Dewald Pretorius  wrote:
>
> > > Adam,
>
> > > It may be an irritation and it may cost you money, but it is NOT spam.
>
> > > You opted in to receive the notifications on your phone, and hence it
> > > is NOT spam.
>
> > > Dewald
>
> > > On Aug 12, 3:46 pm, Adam Cloud  wrote:
> > > > It can be spam if you had your account sent to auto-notify your phone or
> > > > inbox when someone follows you. 1 spam follower won't make a dent, but 
> > > > if
> > > > one spam follower is allowed to 'live' more will follow, and thats when
> > > it
> > > > gets fun.

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[owkaye]

> > > I surely hope people would not judge
> > > me based on who is following me.
> >
> > They won't unless they are stupid.  After all, Twitter
> > gives you no way to control who follows you, and most
> > people understand this.
>
> sure they do. it's called "blocking". every time a pain
> in the ass porn bot or "social media expert" following
> 100x more people than follow them follows me, i block
> them. then they can't follow me.

I guess I care so little about who is following me that I 
never bothered to learn about this.  Now that I know about 
it I still have no use for it, and I never will ... but it's 
good to know it's available to others I guess.

Owkaye

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Dewald Pretorius]

Adam,

I know this is off the topic of the thread, but along the same vein,
this whole notion that someone can spam one via DMs is absolutely
bloody bullshit.

By virtue of how Twitter works, when you follow someone, you grant
that person permission to DM you. They can send you the biggest load
of crap, they are not spamming you. You opted in to receive DMs from
them.

Your only recourse is to unfollow them, and thereby remove the
permission you granted them.

Dewald

On Aug 12, 3:56 pm, Adam Cloud  wrote:
> **sigh** Dewald, on a technicality, you're completely right. We did opt in.
> It was originally a convenience to opt int, so you knew you were being
> followed. However since the count of bots has increased, it's now an
> inconvenience to constantly get follow emails\texts from bots. Perhaps they
> could rename it, now, to "Check box to increase twitter to inbox\phone
> traffic"
>
> Maybe one of us could add to one of our Apps the ability to notify
> *after*having gone through a screening processes of some sort to see
> if the account
> resembles a bot :)
> Of course it wont' be perfect because at the beginning of the twitterbot
> life, they look like a normal user lol
>
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Dewald Pretorius  wrote:
>
> > Adam,
>
> > It may be an irritation and it may cost you money, but it is NOT spam.
>
> > You opted in to receive the notifications on your phone, and hence it
> > is NOT spam.
>
> > Dewald
>
> > On Aug 12, 3:46 pm, Adam Cloud  wrote:
> > > It can be spam if you had your account sent to auto-notify your phone or
> > > inbox when someone follows you. 1 spam follower won't make a dent, but if
> > > one spam follower is allowed to 'live' more will follow, and thats when
> > it
> > > gets fun.

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[David Fisher]

Let's not get into a semantic argument of spam.

Spam, noise, trash followers, whatever you want to call them. They are
all annoying and not what Twitter or most users want in their
service.

I'm unsure if a company HAS to pursue every trademark infringement to
hold their trademark. Otherwise you could in theory make a company go
bankrupt quickly just by setting up a bunch of shill companies using
similar names and force them to pursue each fully in court. Also there
is no obligation for Twitter to constantly search, identify and sue/
C&D/defend against every company worldwide that uses the name Twitter.
Just seems silly. IANAL however and could be wrong.

dave

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Adam Cloud]

**sigh** Dewald, on a technicality, you're completely right. We did opt in.
It was originally a convenience to opt int, so you knew you were being
followed. However since the count of bots has increased, it's now an
inconvenience to constantly get follow emails\texts from bots. Perhaps they
could rename it, now, to "Check box to increase twitter to inbox\phone
traffic"

Maybe one of us could add to one of our Apps the ability to notify
*after*having gone through a screening processes of some sort to see
if the account
resembles a bot :)
Of course it wont' be perfect because at the beginning of the twitterbot
life, they look like a normal user lol

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Dewald Pretorius  wrote:

>
> Adam,
>
> It may be an irritation and it may cost you money, but it is NOT spam.
>
> You opted in to receive the notifications on your phone, and hence it
> is NOT spam.
>
> Dewald
>
> On Aug 12, 3:46 pm, Adam Cloud  wrote:
> > It can be spam if you had your account sent to auto-notify your phone or
> > inbox when someone follows you. 1 spam follower won't make a dent, but if
> > one spam follower is allowed to 'live' more will follow, and thats when
> it
> > gets fun.
>

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[owkaye]

> > Perhaps I'm being daft, but how can someone following
> > you be "spam" or "wrong", regardless of whether it is
> > manual or auto follow?
>
> It can be spam if you had your account sent to
> auto-notify your phone or inbox when someone follows you.

You're wrong.

SPAM only exists when you do NOT ask for commercial messages 
to be sent to you, and in this case clearly you are asking 
for it.

Owkaye

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[JDG]

sure they do. it's called "blocking". every time a pain in the ass porn bot
or "social media expert" following 100x more people than follow them follows
me, i block them. then they can't follow me.

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:51, owkaye  wrote:

>
> > I surely hope people would not judge
> > me based on who is following me.
>
> They won't unless they are stupid.  After all, Twitter gives
> you no way to control who follows you, and most people
> understand this.
>
>
> > Followers do no, zero, nada harm.
> > Just let them be.
>
> Agreed.
>
>
> Owkaye
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
Internets. Serious business.

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[owkaye]

> I surely hope people would not judge
> me based on who is following me.

They won't unless they are stupid.  After all, Twitter gives 
you no way to control who follows you, and most people 
understand this.


> Followers do no, zero, nada harm. 
> Just let them be.

Agreed. 


Owkaye

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Dewald Pretorius]

Adam,

It may be an irritation and it may cost you money, but it is NOT spam.

You opted in to receive the notifications on your phone, and hence it
is NOT spam.

Dewald

On Aug 12, 3:46 pm, Adam Cloud  wrote:
> It can be spam if you had your account sent to auto-notify your phone or
> inbox when someone follows you. 1 spam follower won't make a dent, but if
> one spam follower is allowed to 'live' more will follow, and thats when it
> gets fun.

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Adam Cloud]

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Dewald Pretorius  wrote:

>
> Perhaps I'm being daft, but how can someone following you be "spam" or
> "wrong", regardless of whether it is manual or auto follow?
>


It can be spam if you had your account sent to auto-notify your phone or
inbox when someone follows you. 1 spam follower won't make a dent, but if
one spam follower is allowed to 'live' more will follow, and thats when it
gets fun.

Take into account the fact that many twitter had to reach deals with phone
companies for their bulk texts. If they see a substantial increase in texts
sent out as result of this, they may have to renegotiate. Re-negotiations
waste time :)

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Dewald Pretorius]

Scott,

Personally I think that is a mutilation of the use and purpose of
Twitter. I surely hope people would not judge me based on who is
following me.

The only way one can maintain a "clean" list of people who follow you
is to block those whom you don't want as followers. It is going to
cause the suspension of many innocent Twitter accounts if people block
others simply because they do not agree with their political views,
the way they comb their hair, or their profession.

Followers do no, zero, nada harm. Just let them be.

Dewald

On Aug 12, 3:28 pm, Scott Haneda  wrote:
> If I go to someone's account and they have 500 followers, 90% of them  
> are adult porn and social media experts, not only do I get the wrong  
> impression as to what that person is about, but I also have a  
> completely off kilter signal to noise ratio.

[twitter-dev] Re: In case you have not heard, Ashton Kutcher made twitter famous

[Michael Ivey]

You should use Twitpay.
 -- ivey


On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Scott Haneda  wrote:

>
> This is a little OT, and while somewhat tongue in cheek, I thought it
> amusing, just for the utter inaccuracy of it, as well as how some peoples
> minds works:
>
> Suffer through the ad, and go to 20:00 in the video
>
> http://www.hulu.com/watch/89201/late-night-with-jimmy-fallon-tue-aug-11-2009
>
> Twitter is talked about, Ashton is under the impression the current rise to
> fame was his doing.  I suggest he set up a paypal account, and we can all
> donate to him for his service to this community.
> --
> Scott * If you contact me off list replace talklists@ with scott@ *
>
>

[twitter-dev] In case you have not heard, Ashton Kutcher made twitter famous

[Scott Haneda]

This is a little OT, and while somewhat tongue in cheek, I thought it  
amusing, just for the utter inaccuracy of it, as well as how some  
peoples minds works:


Suffer through the ad, and go to 20:00 in the video
http://www.hulu.com/watch/89201/late-night-with-jimmy-fallon-tue-aug-11-2009

Twitter is talked about, Ashton is under the impression the current  
rise to fame was his doing.  I suggest he set up a paypal account, and  
we can all donate to him for his service to this community.

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[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Dossy Shiobara]

On 8/12/09 12:50 PM, Bob Fishel wrote:

As another extreme example: Datamining Myspace (if it's possible I've
never worked with it) for 12 year olds names and addresses etc...
COULD have a purposeful use in advertising but if your $12 product is
being used by 99% of people to find children to attack then your
product is WRONG and needs to come off the market.


Universal wrongs?

YOU are WRONG.

Guns don't kill people.  People kill people.

See what I did there?

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[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Scott Haneda]

Others use your following and follower list as a way to bridge new  
connections to interesting people.


If I am interested in Person X, I can look at who is following him,  
and know that others are probably of like minds.  I can dig into their  
list of followers and following, and build deeper relationships that  
are only separated by small degrees.


If I go to someone's account and they have 500 followers, 90% of them  
are adult porn and social media experts, not only do I get the wrong  
impression as to what that person is about, but I also have a  
completely off kilter signal to noise ratio.


On Aug 12, 2009, at 10:07 AM, Dewald Pretorius wrote:


In other words, what does it matter if 50,000 undesirable accounts
follow you, except for perhaps a minor personal irritation? Do you
want to be selective about who is allowed and who is not allowed to
follow you?


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[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[avail4one]

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Scott Haneda  wrote:

>
> I am not a lawyer, but everything I have read about this makes the below
> impossible.  If you have a trademark on a name, you MUST protect it.
>  Failure to protect it, results in loss of the mark.
>
> The quote below, clearly states that Twitter is not going to protect this
> mark.  That being the case, they will lose the mark, making the filing and
> costs associated with it a complete waste.
>
>
yeah me no atty neither. lol. wonder what they put for 'mark first used in
commerce' - maybe in the future? ;-)


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[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Scott Haneda]

I am not a lawyer, but everything I have read about this makes the  
below impossible.  If you have a trademark on a name, you MUST protect  
it.  Failure to protect it, results in loss of the mark.


The quote below, clearly states that Twitter is not going to protect  
this mark.  That being the case, they will lose the mark, making the  
filing and costs associated with it a complete waste.


The statement below very well may invalidate the mark entirely.

On Aug 12, 2009, at 2:52 AM, Rich wrote:

I'm not aware of this but this link http://blog.twitter.com/2009/07/may-tweets-be-with-you.html 
,

published only last month says

"We have applied to trademark Tweet because it is clearly attached to
Twitter from a brand perspective but we have no intention of "going
after" the wonderful applications and services that use the word in
their name when associated with Twitter. In fact, we encourage the use
of the word Tweet."


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[twitter-dev] Re: Trademark infringement

[Josh Roesslein]

I believe you can trademark common words within a specific product group.
No micro blog related product could use "tweet", but other non-related
products would not be affected.
Example: I could sell a birdfeeder called "TweetFeeder" since it is not
related at all to twitter's usage.
The reason for trademarks is to prevent product confusion. It is pretty
obvious that a bird feeder is not
a product of Twitter Inc.

Another example is the world "apple". Apple computers holds a trademark on
it so no other computer
manufacture can call their computers "apples". But an apple producer can use
"apple" just fine since
it is not related to Apple's product and causes no product confusion.

That's what I remember learning back in college on trademarks. I may not be
100% correct, so please
correct me if I am wrong in any case.

Twitter has said they don't mind the use of 'tweet' as long as it causes no
damage to their brand:

"We have applied to trademark Tweet because it is clearly attached to
Twitter from a brand perspective but we have no intention of "going after"
the wonderful applications and services that use the word in their name when
associated with Twitter. In fact, we encourage the use of the word Tweet.
However, if we come across a confusing or damaging project, the recourse to
act responsibly to protect both users and our brand is important." [1]

Josh

[1] http://blog.twitter.com/2009/07/may-tweets-be-with-you.html

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:04 PM, shiplu  wrote:

> Tweet is already a verb. See http://www.answers.com/topic/tweet
> I am not an English speaker. But see the output of the following
> command in your linux distro.
>
> $ look tweet
> tweet
> tweeted
> tweeter
> tweeter's
> tweeters
> tweeting
> tweets
>
> How can it become IP ??
>
> --
> A K M Mokaddim
> http://talk.cmyweb.net
> http://twitter.com/shiplu
> Stop Top Posting !!
> বাংলিশ লেখার চাইতে বাংলা লেখা অনেক ভাল
> Sent from Dhaka, Bangladesh
>



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[twitter-dev] Re: Newbie to seek advice on the flow of a twitter app with OAuth

[Abraham Williams]

Are you using my PHP library? It does not have oauth_callback support yet.

Abraham

2009/8/11 jaike 

>
> Andrew,
>
> I can't seem to get this working and wanted to see if you would be
> able to shed some light... thx
>
> in my main index i created a variable:
>
> (i tried with both of these)
> $callback_url ='&callback_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tweetivism.com%2Fblog';
> $callback_url ='http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tweetivism.com%2Fblog';
>
> and within the default case i added $callback_url to the constructor
>
>  $to = new TwitterOAuth($consumer_key, $consumer_secret,
> $callback_url);
>
> and im still redirecting to where I have it set in the app backend on
> twitter... am I on the right track at all?
>
> thx
>
> On Jul 26, 5:10 am, Andrew Badera  wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 3:08 AM, CG  wrote:
> >
> > > you can use localhost ?  really ? just update the callback to
> > >http://localhost/xxx?
> >
> > Sorry, missed this. Yeah, just use the oauth_callback parameter when
> making
> > the call.
>



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[twitter-dev] Re: Trademark infringement

[shiplu]

Tweet is already a verb. See http://www.answers.com/topic/tweet
I am not an English speaker. But see the output of the following
command in your linux distro.

$ look tweet
tweet
tweeted
tweeter
tweeter's
tweeters
tweeting
tweets

How can it become IP ??

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http://twitter.com/shiplu
Stop Top Posting !!
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[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Scott Haneda]

I was always under the impression trademarks came down to a reasonable  
expectation that users could be confused as to which was the original  
name.


In the example of the "Edge" iPhone game, he was called out against  
using Edge as a name since there was a shady software development  
house that owned the mark in the gaming industry. There very well  
could have been confusion.


"Edge" can safely be used in other industry. If I started "Edge  
Clothing" I suspect there would be no confusion and no issue.


"Twitter" makes sense, their only presence being the web. A user who  
hears Twitter, downloads a Twitter app by searching for one in their  
mobile store, could easily walk away thinking that mobile app is  
Twitter. They could easily think they are at the source.


I don't see why they care, they care about service users. Alienate the  
3rd part apps and Twitter is going back in time, not forward. It is  
the existance of this API that I believe made Twitter what it is.


But tweet, I don't know the history. Is it like hash tags, a user  
invented term for an action within the service?


To me, this is as if eBay tries to trademark "selling" because that is  
the verb describing what you do within the service. Tweet is the verb  
within the service, and likely was user crafted anyway.


All technical and legal issues aside, this boils down to just doing  
the right thing. Trademark Twitter, that seems fair and smart. There  
will be some fallout while protecting the name, but that is just part  
of the process.


Trademark "tweet", and you are doing the wrong thing. From podcasting,  
syncing, downloading, IM'ing, DM'ing, texting, etc. Just leave it alone.


They will do far better to allow the word to become more a household  
term, than to aggravate everyone.


--
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On Aug 12, 2009, at 5:24 AM, Vision Jinx  wrote:


FYI - mashable.com just posted a story on this here
http://mashable.com/2009/08/12/twitter-not-suing-developer/

Interesting to know that if Twitter gets the trademark for "Tweet"
also what about the apps and businesses that have been using it before
the claim like TweetDeck etc etc? Seems they would have a justifiable
claim to the name also? How does that work?

Not sure about the US but where I am if someone has made a stable
reputation from a name they are also entitled to a trademark clause
for it regardless if they officially trademarked it. (in my own words)

"The owner of a common law trademark may also file suit, but an
unregistered mark may be protectable only within the geographical area
within which it has been used or in geographical areas into which it
may be reasonably expected to expand."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark

Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer and don't play one on TV either so seek
your own legal council regarding it.

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Zac Bowling]

>
> Apparently you fail to recall the "MikeRoweSoft.com" case.
>


The deal with MikeRoweSoft is a different issue then this one. Mike
Rowe was perfectly fine in his use. However when Microsoft sent him a
C&D and said they would pay $100 (IIRC) for his domain. His mistake
was saying "yah, maybe for a $1,000,000.00" in jest. Doing so was
enough to claim that his intent wasn't for his own his own fair use
but to hold Microsoft to pay for it. Microsoft tried to force it to
domain arbitration when it turned into a PR issue for Microsoft being
seen as the big bad bully for taking down a 16 year old kids personal
page, so they backed down and gave him a bunch of free stuff.

Using Twitter in a domain name directly related to a service that
involves Twitter is a whole other issue that pretty much can get you
in a lot of trouble.



Zac Bowling

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Scott Haneda]

The second you can play drinking games based on how many times a  
company is mentioned on local news; I think that companies ability to  
be "clear and unambiguous" becomes as hard as not getting hammered in  
5 minutes of watching the news.


--
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Iphone says hello.

On Aug 12, 2009, at 6:04 AM, Dewald Pretorius  wrote:


Logically, isn't it necessary that a clear and unambiguous definition
of "aggressive following" to be publicly available before any legal
action can be based on it?

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Scott Haneda]

I don't know how we get to the point of "meaningful" auto following.  
That seems hard to define.


If I post a tweet mentioning "photography" I get 5-10 new followers in  
a few minutes. Use the word "cock" or "pussy" and the auto follow rate  
is higher. Hash tags are vulnerable here as well.


In most cases, I've yet to see them come back and solicit me in any  
way, so I will never notice them aside from my wrongly inflated follow  
metrics.


Under what conditions could any automated system follow someone in a  
meaningful way?  There is no way to tell context.


My suggestion is that the apps should bring in a list of suggested  
followers. The user of the app must review the list, and the  
corresponding tweets and decide to follow or not.


Further, after a follow has been established, you should not  
communicate with that person in an unsolicited way. Treat it like  
email/spam.


If I am bashing a brand and they want to make good on my issues, they  
can tweet me. They need not even follow me to start this relationship.  
If they want to DM me they can then start that relationship.


For Starbucks to auto follow because I said "starbucks sucks" is not  
meaningful.


To me, the nature of auto follow shows a wanting to use Twitter as a  
way to market, brand, and build relationships. That much is fine. But  
they want to do so in as easy a way possible. That is where I draw the  
line.


If you want to market to me, you must put in the time to learn about  
me and my value to your brand. Having a robot do it for you is dirty,  
and in the end, will probably hurt more than help.


If someone can tell me how automatic auto follow is not analogous to  
the end result of a spam network, my opinion may change. In the end,  
there is no easy way to build and establish relationships with your  
end users. Either do the work, or stop abusing Twitter.


* The above statements are a generality, the OP may have learned a  
meaningful way to auto follow that I am not seeing. I do not intend to  
call out the OP in any way.

--
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Iphone says hello.

On Aug 12, 2009, at 5:17 AM, Dale Merritt  wrote:

What is Twitters real stance on auto following?  In there API they  
prohibit "mass following" so what does that mean exactly.  More than  
1, 100?  In my app, I had planned on integrating some meaniful auto  
following

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Zac Bowling]

>
> Apparently you fail to recall the "MikeRoweSoft.com" case.
>


The deal with MikeRoweSoft is a different issue then this one. Mike
Rowe was perfectly fine in his use. However when Microsoft sent him a
C&D and said they would pay $
Zac Bowling

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Neil Ellis]

Good morning Abraham ;-)

On 12 Aug 2009, at 18:20, Abraham Williams wrote:


Me :(

2009/8/12 Neil Ellis 
I pity the fool who wakes up to this thread in the morning :-)



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[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Abraham Williams]

Me :(

2009/8/12 Neil Ellis 

> I pity the fool who wakes up to this thread in the morning :-)
>



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[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Neil Ellis]

 All this stuff about following being equated to spamming is nonsense.


really, glad you cleared that up ;-)

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Bioscience News]

I guess I would also add and remind people that when a new user creates an
account, the first thing Twitter does is produce a list of a bunch of people
this person may or may not know and ask them if they want to follow them.
Following people you don't know is part of the DNA of Twitter and part of
what makes it quite different than other social networks.  If you only want
to follow people you know or get followed by people you know then that
person should move to Facebook.  Also, think about this for businesses who
want to get known on Twitter.  They have to follow people who they think
have an interest in them.  There's no other way to get new customers and
leads.  That's the level playing field that Twitter provides a business and
why businesses are interested in Twitter.  All this stuff about following
being equated to spamming is nonsense.

Randy

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Neil Ellis]

Dewald

Honest question honest answer 

If someone follows me, I'd like to find out about them and see if I'd  
like to follow them, I'd like to consider becoming friends with this  
person.


How can I do that if 80% of my follows are Real Estate Agents. It  
wastes my time, it's annoying and pollutes my inbox. I think you'll  
find quite a few people are tired of this annoyance. I'd like to get  
to know my followers not have 3000 numpties following me.



ATB
Neil
On 12 Aug 2009, at 18:07, Dewald Pretorius wrote:



Bob,

Perhaps I'm being daft, but how can someone following you be "spam" or
"wrong", regardless of whether it is manual or auto follow?

If you don't follow them, you don't see their tweets, and they cannot
DM you.

In other words, what does it matter if 50,000 undesirable accounts
follow you, except for perhaps a minor personal irritation? Do you
want to be selective about who is allowed and who is not allowed to
follow you?

Dewald

On Aug 12, 1:50 pm, Bob Fishel  wrote:

In this case spamming is ALWAYS wrong. Again you need to allow for
definitions. Asking to receive announcements from Dell and then  
having

Dell follow you is on thing. But having someone autofollow you with
800 different PC resellers becasue you posted a tweet saying "look at
the great deal #Dell has today" is WRONG.

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Scott Haneda]

It may get even harder and open the door to an already hot topic with  
T.W.I.T.  (The Week In Tech) which is a show by Leo Laporte.


I believe this show pre-dates the use of twit, and nay pre-date  
Twitter. I seem to recall at some point Leo Laporte would not even use  
Twitter as a result of feeling they were infinging on his name.


I don't know the trademark status with regard to this, but he has been  
vocal about it to say the least.


If anything, Laporte has prior art in this one.
--
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Iphone says hello.

On Aug 12, 2009, at 4:55 AM, Goblin  wrote:


The question is, are they going to be going after Twitteriffic,
Twitterholic, Twitpic, Twitvid, Twittelator, Twitterena, Twitterfon,
iTwitter etc?

I admit that I was fair game having the blue birds in the backdrop (as
I say, it was a stupid project that got traction and the new version
is live now anyway), but if Twitter is deciding to take down everyone
with Twit in their name then there are going to be some serious
issues. I know they have to show they are attempting to protect
trademark or risk losing it, but this seems a little heavy handed :(

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Dewald Pretorius]

Bob,

Perhaps I'm being daft, but how can someone following you be "spam" or
"wrong", regardless of whether it is manual or auto follow?

If you don't follow them, you don't see their tweets, and they cannot
DM you.

In other words, what does it matter if 50,000 undesirable accounts
follow you, except for perhaps a minor personal irritation? Do you
want to be selective about who is allowed and who is not allowed to
follow you?

Dewald

On Aug 12, 1:50 pm, Bob Fishel  wrote:
> In this case spamming is ALWAYS wrong. Again you need to allow for
> definitions. Asking to receive announcements from Dell and then having
> Dell follow you is on thing. But having someone autofollow you with
> 800 different PC resellers becasue you posted a tweet saying "look at
> the great deal #Dell has today" is WRONG.

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Bob Fishel]

Oh come on, you're just being disingenous now. "First they came for
the pedophiles" "First they came for the muderers"

Today's society is to worried about offending someone to acknowledge
the fact that YES there are univseral rights and universal wrongs.
That is not to say that there isn't a difference between premeditated
murder and self defense but it is perfectly acceptable to say that
Premeditated Murder is ALWAYS wrong, even if for some reason it isn't
illegal.

In this case spamming is ALWAYS wrong. Again you need to allow for
definitions. Asking to receive announcements from Dell and then having
Dell follow you is on thing. But having someone autofollow you with
800 different PC resellers becasue you posted a tweet saying "look at
the great deal #Dell has today" is WRONG.

Emotional and personal beliefs SHOULD have a place in legal context
and largely do in our society (read up on Jury nullification if you're
interested)

As another extreme example: Datamining Myspace (if it's possible I've
never worked with it) for 12 year olds names and addresses etc...
COULD have a purposeful use in advertising but if your $12 product is
being used by 99% of people to find children to attack then your
product is WRONG and needs to come off the market.

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Charles wrote:
>
> I love how in this discussion people keep trying to bring emotion and
> personal beliefs into a legal context.
>
> So he made a tool for spammers.  What does that have to do with
> anything?
>
> "First they came for the Spammers and I didn’t speak up, because I
> wasn’t a Spammer."
> *SNIP*

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Dewald Pretorius]

I believe that threatening with legal action was the secondary choice
for Twitter.

The first choice would have been simply blackholing the IP address of
Dean's application. However, that's impossible because it's a .Net app
that makes calls from each user's IP address, much like Tweetie and
TweetDeck.

Was it a good move? I don't know.

Now they have created yet another round of potentially bad publicity
for Twitter, and they have put fear and uncertainty in the minds of
all application developers who have a domain name with "twitter" in
it.

Dewald

[twitter-dev] Re: OAuth vs. Basic authentication strictly on iPhone

[Zac Bowling]

Pictures in email signatures is obnoxious and annoying.

Zac Bowling



On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Bradley S.
O'Hearne wrote:
> Alex,
> Thank you for the information -- that does give me a much better idea of the
> helpful utility of OAuth within the Twitter ecosystem. Please understand, my
> point in raising these issues has never been to buck the system, but rather
> to prove out what the real security issues in play are, so as to address
> them as efficiently as possible. Stickiness is a major issue in mobile apps,
> and every hoop you put the user through increases the chances for a user to
> leave and / or delete your app.
> As for the iPhone-optimized version of the OAuth workflow -- I run a company
> specializing in iPhone development. If Twitter would be in need of our
> services to can OAuth into a distributable component / library or set of
> source code, somewhat in the vein of Facebook Connect, contact me offline.
> Regards,
> Brad
> Brad O'Hearne
> Owner / Developer
> Big Hill Software
> br...@bighillsoftware.com
> http://www.bighillsoftware.com
>
> On Aug 11, 2009, at 10:40 AM, Alex Payne wrote:
>
> For the case of a dedicated application on a rich mobile platform like
> iPhone, I agree that OAuth does not offer a particularly different user
> experience. It does, however, provide us at Twitter the information we need
> to provide detailed usage analytics back to developers, as well as the data
> we need to better understand our platform and help it grow.
> OAuth also provides a mechanism for users to revoke access to applications
> that aren't behaving as they expected; on the iPhone, removing a misbehaving
> application is as simple as deleting it, but for some non-technical users it
> may be helpful for them to visit their Twitter settings and see the list of
> applications they've authorized.
> We're working with our mobile team on improving the iPhone-optimized version
> of the OAuth workflow. It may not be an enormous improvement over
> password-based authentication, but once it's done, it certainly won't be a
> hinderance. Twitter is one of many companies moving to OAuth, and you can
> already find iPhone applications like TripIt that rely solely on OAuth for
> authentication.
>
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 14:16, Bradley S. O'Hearne 
> wrote:
>>
>> All,
>>
>> I don't want to kick this subject to death, as there was a lengthy thread
>> on general OAuth vs. Basic auth -- I want to restrict this question strictly
>> to the scope of iPhone apps. Having pored over the OAuth vs. Basic
>> authentication process, I have a question, given the following assumptions:
>>
>> - The iPhone app is communicating directly with Twitter, i.e. not through
>> some third-party means.
>>
>> - The iPhone app requires authentication at the beginning of each
>> application runtime (i.e. each time the app is run the user has to type in
>> their password).
>>
>> - The password is cached only in memory, for the life of that specific
>> runtime (i.e. when the user quits the app, the password is released).
>>
>> - The password is NEVER persisted anywhere, i.e. never stored to disk.
>>
>> - All network communication with Twitter takes place over HTTPS.
>>
>> If all of those things are true in an iPhone app, how is OAuth superior in
>> any way to basic authentication from a security standpoint? Furthermore,
>> given having to introduce a foreign UI element and extra authentication
>> steps over the web, could OAuth even be considered inferior when evaluated
>> as a whole as an authentication means for the iPhone, when app branding,
>> integration, and ease of use are considered?
>>
>> Mind you, the purpose of this post is not in any way to incite a religious
>> war or stir the pot, it is to definitively establish the true pros and cons
>> of each authentication means within the specific use case of the iPhone
>> only. Many of the other OAuth / Basic auth threads are somewhat overridden
>> with personally charged statements that I'd rather ignore them.
>>
>> Anyway, your constructive views are most appreciated.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Brad
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Alex Payne - Platform Lead, Twitter, Inc.
> http://twitter.com/al3x
>
>

[twitter-dev] Re: Trademark infringement

[Andrew Badera]

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:01 PM, David Fisher wrote:
>
> My guess is that Twitter will hold both Tweet and Twitter as IP, but
> allow general use of Tweet. It seems to really make sense to defend
> the name of their company always, and Tweet only when it is misused.
>
> -dave
>

"Twitter" I could understand but "Tweet" is a term that I'm pretty
sure originated with we users. If they attempted to enforce that as a
trademark, registered or not, I think they'd probably upset a _lot_ of
people. But I'd like to think that that's not the kind of company that
Twitter is.

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[twitter-dev] Re: Trademark infringement

[David Fisher]

My guess is that Twitter will hold both Tweet and Twitter as IP, but
allow general use of Tweet. It seems to really make sense to defend
the name of their company always, and Tweet only when it is misused.

-dave

On Aug 12, 11:43 am, Dewald Pretorius  wrote:
> Nick,
>
> TweetLater.com has been using tweet as a verb since April 2008.
>
> Dewald
>
> On Aug 12, 12:21 pm, Nick Arnett  wrote:
>
> > In case anybody wants some decent facts on this issue, Wikipedia has a
> > pretty good article.
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark_infringement
>
> > I'm not a lawyer, but I published a book on IP for developers a number of
> > years ago and learned a lot in the process.
>
> > In the end, it is extraordinarily unlikely that anybody could possibly fail
> > to infringe when using "Twitter" and/or their logo in a product or service
> > name that is based on Twitter.  That inevitably could cause confusion about
> > whether or not it is from the company Twitter or not.
>
> > Infringement has nothing to do with whether or not the infringement is
> > connected with a "good" or "bad" use, such as spamming, etc.
>
> > It will be interesting to see what they do with "tweet."  Many attorneys
> > advise that if you want to preserve rights in a mark, you have to use it
> > only as a proper adjective.  Are they going to grant everybody permission to
> > use "tweet" but only that way?  I'll send you a Tweet(tm) message?  Seems
> > unlikely.  Tweet has become a noun and a verb, which I suspect means it is
> > fated to become genericized, if it hasn't already.
>
> > Nick

[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

[Neil Ellis]

"First they came for the Spammers and I didn’t speak up, because I
wasn’t a Spammer."



Oh really, spammers being banned equated to the Holocuast, perspective  
required.





On Aug 12, 10:55 am, Duane Roelands  wrote:

Are any of these developers -selling- their products?  You are.
Are any of these developers violating the Terms of Service?  You are.

Just because another website has "Twitter" in the name doesn't make
their situation the same as yours.

You made a tool for spammers.  You get caught.  Get over it.

On Aug 12, 10:14 am, "Dean Collins"  wrote:

So has anyone heard from or know any of the other developers? Did  
they also get an email last night?